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Game 117 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Diamondbacks

Tonight, Jason Marquis makes just his fifth start of the season -- not exactly what the Nationals thought they'd be getting on August 14 when they signed him to a two-year, $15 million contract in the offseason. In his four starts -- all losses -- he's failed to get to the fifth inning and has an astronomical 15.32 ERA in 12 and one-third innings. In his last outing, Marquis allowed five runs, two earned, in four innings against the Dodgers.

Marquis is 2-6 with a 4.12 ERA in 12 career appearances against Arizona, 11 of which were starts.

This afternoon Manager Jim Riggleman said the key for Marquis will be producing ground balls and he won't be on "tight" leash.

Marquis will be opposed by one-time Yankees prized prospect Ian Kennedy. The right-hander is making his 23rd start of the season and is 6-9 with a 4.47 ERA in 139 innings. In his last start, a no-decision, he allowed five hits and four runs in six innings against Milwaukee. Kennedy made his first and only start -- a loss -- against the Nationals earlier this month and allowed eight hits and four runs in four innings.

Talk about the game here.

By Jorge Castillo  |  August 14, 2010; 6:28 PM ET
Categories:  Jason Marquis , Jim Riggleman  
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Comments

Great evening for a ballgame! Quiet Saturday night crowd - classic summertime mix of fans and tourists. Marquis, don't make me regret bringing the out of towners to this evening. Riggles, don't let the leash get so long that we just toss another L into the standings!

Posted by: mo_dc | August 14, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

E8.

Should have been solo HR. But will it make a difference?

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 14, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

About to comment on Bernadina not getting an error on that muffed catch. Not quick enough typing to beat Montero's HR. Hope this is not a too-familiar beginning of another bad patch. Well, Parra's 3rd HR of the year has already answered that question.

Posted by: Slidell | August 14, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

OK, I think we've seen enough of Marquis. Dump him and take the loss.

Posted by: lj1126 | August 14, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Riggs said Marquis was not on a short leash tonight. i wonder if he's re-thinking that.

Posted by: Slidell | August 14, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Marquis needs to go to the John Lannon Rehabilitation Center for Missing Sinkerballs. Let him figure things out in Syracuse or Harrisburg while JZimmermann gets back his major league groove. Everything is up and over the plate, we've seen enough.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 14, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Marquis is a good pitcher, but he sure hasn't been able to prove it this season. While tonight is probably already lost, I hope he can settle down and do better the rest of the season.

Posted by: LoveThoseNats | August 14, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

LJ1126....Ditto......The only starters capable of going 6 solid innings are Hernandez and Strasburg....

The statistic of the team giving up at least one run by the end of the 2nd inning is abyssmal..and 1st inning runs scored is downright embarrassing...Management may not be aware of this but the pitchers who have started the past 2 rotations are embarrassing as a whole and Strasburg and Hernandez should be the only ones to have safe jobs...

Marquis is just an example of how the starters seem to REFUSE to keep the ball DOWN...Witness Uggla hitting 2 high balls off Strasburg for homers....Smart pitchers make smart pitches.....

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 14, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Ivan keeps reaching and trying to pull pitches low and outside ones...earlier in the season he was hitting those pitches to right on the fly....where are you hitting coach>????

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 14, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

RIGGLEMAN...Enough please...take Marquis out...or you leave...either one but please make a decision now....

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 14, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Marquis is done, and the fact that he's even out there is an embarassment. Tom Boswell, you listening? This illustrates what a joke the Nationals are and why Washingtonians should stop paying money to the Lerners until they either act like major league baseball owners or just sell the team to someone who will. Basically, super genius Lerners were too cheap to go out in the free market and really bid for a real pitcher like Garland. At the same time, they were too incompetent to do their due diligence and understand what other teams understood, that Marquis was on the steep down side of his career. Washington baseball people, after five years why are you paying good money to be humiliated and embarrassed? Just say NO.

Posted by: nalpak1 | August 14, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

WHAT DID I TELL YOU!!! HE IS A BUM A FIFTEEN MILLION DOLLAR BUM, who scouted this guy and who's his agent? because he certainly put Rizzo and the rest of this team's hierarchy dead azz to sleep and Chen Ming Wrong agent did the same thing,Rizzo blew it big time on these two.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 14, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Painful to watch Marquis throw BP as batter after batter clanged balls off the fence. Clearly nothing fooling the batters - they hit everything hard (including their pitcher).

Thankfully Stammen stops the bleeding and we still have a chance. Ugly outing. Agree marquis should figure his stuff out in the minors - that's what hey are for

Posted by: mo_dc | August 14, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Not a good sign when you give up five runs in four innings and your ERA goes down.

Posted by: marathoner | August 14, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Did I miss the announcement that the '27 Yankees were in town tonight?

Posted by: marathoner | August 14, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Must confess, half paying attention. Did Rigs pinch hit Maxwell for Stammen? If so, why? Stammen is the better hitter.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 14, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Well we can always bet on what happy talk question Debbie Taylor will ask at the end of the game.

Like Jason do you think your pitching style is closer to Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm street also I hear you like to take the kids to the movies when your wife is tired is that true?

Posted by: CBinDC | August 14, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

When will a Post reporter or someone ask Riggleman why our pitchers NEVER pitch inside. We are a laughing stock. I am a season ticket holder since 2005. This is a joke! We are not remotely agressive.

Posted by: jbjabyrne | August 14, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Batting practice tonight as the D Backs realized their best (only?) chance for a win this visit was tonight. The batting practice just took a hiatus while Stammen was in there.

The biggest cheer (only cheer) of the night was the removal of Marquis. Really a disappointing showing so far 8-2 and it's like Riggs conceded this one to go for 2 of 3 tomorrow w SS.

Posted by: mo_dc | August 14, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Just tuned in ... scary.

I agree. Let him go. This many starts and still almost twice the era of Brian Bruney? Let him go.

Posted by: reddog278 | August 14, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Well we can always bet on what happy talk question Debbie Taylor will ask at the end of the game.

Like Jason do you think your pitching style is closer to Friday the 13th or Nightmare on Elm street also I hear you like to take the kids to the movies when your wife is tired is that true?

Posted by: CBinDC | August 14, 2010 8:50 PM |

HAHAHAHAHA! I hate Debbie Taylor so much.

Posted by: egoodman8 | August 14, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

This season is quickly turning (turned already?) into a disappointment. Good start, rough mid-May through mid-June, but then Strasburg arrives along with the opportunity to win hearts and minds of the Washington sports fans by at least playing .500 baseball. We've let that opportunity slip by and now it seems closer to 2009 and 2008. We'll be fortunate to win 20 more games and get to 70 for the season - which will be a nice increase from last year, but certainly less than what a lot of us thought may have been this year.

Posted by: dlombardo1 | August 14, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Re: CapPeterson1

Yes, Riggleman pinch hit Maxwell, who was batting a pathetic .118 for Stammen, the better hitter and who had pitched only one inning in relief of the awful Marquis - and a wonderful one inning because he allowed only one of Marquis' base runners to score. Sure, pinch hit for Stammen if there's someone on base. But the bases were empty. Let Stammen come back and pitch the sixth instead of giving the ball to the over-worked Batista who gave up five hits and three earned runs in one tired inning of work that lasted forever. Riggleman managed a terrible game. Terrible!

Posted by: HonestBroker1 | August 15, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

@DARGREGMAG...You have peeled off the scab on the wound and it's not going to heal anytime soon..Marquis and Chen-Ming are getting paid well and like a few other pitchers on the team who are under achievers...

When other teams don't try to outbid you for someone it's best to wonder why..now we know why...all the hype in May about pitchers coming back after injuries helping the team was wishful thinking...
Pitching wise, this franchise is in deep, deep trouble and hope they realize it...

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 15, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Honestbroker.

dlombardo, I fear the projection of 70 wins is too optimistic. The season so far has been split in two parts: the miraculous 20-15 start and the 30-52 remainder. The 20-15 club is the one Roy Oswalt was open to joining. Since then, and even before and despite Sras' fantastic debut, we've been playing .366 baseball. Maintaining that pace would give us 66 wins for the year.

I'd like to believe that we can kick it up a notch and finish with 70+ wins but are there any greounds for such hope?

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 15, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

If Marquis is allowed to start another game this season, it will be an absolute insult to every Nats fan. Let him work out his problems mopping up in blowouts, if he has to pitch at all.

If Stammen is supposed to be a long man, why did he get lifted after one very nice inning? Then Batista put the game out of reach. If JZimm isn't up by then, Stammen should get Marquis next start.

Posted by: nats24 | August 15, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Well let's see if the "pitching coach" can help "The Kid" make the adjustments on the mound this afternoon against a "dead red" hitting DBacks squad needless to say i have very little faith in McFatty er McCatty's ability to impart any wisdom on anyone on this pitching staff and how is this coaching staff any different then Manny's Acta's for all the talk about the turnaround under Riggs it's more of the same and with better talent, if the Nat's lose 100 games Rizzo has to think long and hard about retaining Riggleman and if i do then some of the coach's would have to go namely McCatty,Eckstein, and Radison.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 15, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

>Yes, Riggleman pinch hit Maxwell, who was batting a pathetic .118 for Stammen, the better hitter and who had pitched only one inning in relief of the awful Marquis - and a wonderful one inning

Posted by: HonestBroker1

See, here's what everybody continually ignores, or doesn't understand, is that THE BULLPEN IS MASSIVELY OVERWORKED. Riggs said that Stammen has pitched 3 of the last 4 games, he pitched 2, 2, 1 inning (last night). You can't keep running these guys out there - look how flat Batista was - he could hardly get anyone out - and it's going to get worse. It happens every year on bad teams - after the all-star break, the bullpens continue a downward spiral because they've accumulated enough damage in their arms that giving them a night or two off doesn't make any difference, they already need the off-season to heal their arms. Clippard's already shot. You have to look at the big picture to see how bad this team really is, not just 'he shouldn't have pinch hit'. Wouldn't have made a bit of difference, because even if he kept Stammen in, he would have only lasted another inning at most and then you bring in Batista ANYWAY. I'm sure some idiot is gonna come on here and say 'the bullpen has pitched well since the all-star break'. They may have pitched all kinds of ways, but I can guarantee one thing - the damage from overuse has set in, and it's going to get worse from now on.

Posted by: Brue | August 15, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I hated the Marquis signing and to be fair, the Livan signings. I hate the idea that rebuilding teams like the Nationals waste money on mid to bottom of the rotation pitchers. Throw the kids out there, suffer through the losing (that would have happened anyway) and let them build for when the team can contend.

I'm with the other poster who said Marquis is done. His fastball is down almost 2 MPH over last year and about 4 MPH from early in his career. Not only are his strikeout numbers low, he walking more than he strikes out. That is never good.

I know the data sample is small bu the Nationals have more than enough pitching talent to sort through, especially if the rumored signings of Solis and Cole are true, to put a rotation together next year. There is no reason, outside of his contract to keep Marquis.

Posted by: jeffreyt211 | August 15, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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