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Game 122 discussion thread: Nationals at Phillies

For a team that has won three times in 11 games, facing Roy Halladay isn't exactly a recipe for beginning a late-season turnaround, but that's exactly the situation the Nationals are in.

Halladay (15-8, 2.24 ERA) has been masterful against Washington, having gone 6-1 with a 2.43 ERA in 10 starts.

Jason Marquis (0-5, 14.33) gets the start for the Nationals, and he's been struggling in his comeback from elbow surgery in May. This will be Marquis's third start since the operation. In his previous two outings, he has given up seven earned runs and 10 overall in eight total innings.

Talk about the game right here in the appetizer for Stephen Strasburg's start tomorrow night.

By Gene Wang  |  August 20, 2010; 7:00 PM ET
Categories:  Jason Marquis  
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Bummer. Runner at 3rd, no one out.
Bases loaded, one out.
Nada....

Posted by: Sunderland | August 20, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Chicken Little coaching at 3rd. Why not send Nyjer ? what are we in a pennant race ? I cant claim this expression as i have seen it posted before, "at least he aggressively held the runner at 3rd".

Posted by: JT2009 | August 20, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Like i said month's ago the worst coaching staff in baseball you've got one of the fastest men in the league at third and you don't send him, complete unadulterated stupidity.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 20, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Marquis, with 23 pitches in the 1st could mean we're in for a long night.
On the positive side, it's still 0-0 through the first.

Posted by: BinM | August 20, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Marquis, with 23 pitches in the 1st could mean we're in for a long night.
On the positive side, it's still 0-0 through the first.

Posted by: BinM | August 20, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Oops. Double post, my bad.

Posted by: BinM | August 20, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

There's definitely something wrong with his arm. He'll miss by three feet and the ball will be sailing sideways out of his hand. And now a 59 foot sinker. His lost his feel (grip) because his elbow is weak or hurt.

Posted by: Brue | August 20, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I am not now, nor will I ever, watch a Nationals broadcast with Johnny Holiday as the play-by-play man. He is the worst baseball announcer I have ever heard. For one thing, he knows absolutely nothing about baseball. If the Nationals didn't provide game notes every day, he would be up there babbling like gibbon (instead of babbling like a baboon with notes).

I am mystified that MASN continues to employ this disc jockey to be a part of their broadcasts.

Posted by: noslok | August 20, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

For all of the talk about how great Halladay is (and he's great), he's allowed seven base runners in four innings and four of them got to scoring position. Still, no runs. Bernadina looks overmatched batting fifth against a pitcher like this. Halladay looks like he's only worried about Dunn and Zim and figures he can handle everybody else we've got.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

>I am mystified that MASN continues to employ this disc jockey to be a part of their broadcasts.

Posted by: noslok

You sound more constipated than mystified. Johnny 'truth serum' Holliday and Washington baseball since 1970. Suck on it and like it. I notice Dibble being a lot more honest tonight with him in the booth.

Posted by: Brue | August 20, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it a little embarrassing that the two guys broadcasting the game don't know a trivia question about the Nats' opening game in their history and it was only six seasons ago???

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Third base coach is a joke.
Whoever signed this pitcher should lose his job. Who can beat the Phillies when he walks two batters in succession? Sick.

Posted by: bamabug | August 20, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Marquis is not doing too bad through 4 so far, and he pitched himself out of a jam earlier. Let's get some run support for him!

Posted by: poncedeleroy | August 20, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

No way you send Morgan in the first, not on such a shallow fly ball with Dunn and Zimmerman coming up.

BTW, when you're complaining about two walks in a row, Halladay walked two guys in a row in the first inning. Didn't seem to bother him.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

>Isn't it a little embarrassing that the two guys broadcasting the game don't know a trivia question about the Nats' opening game in their history and it was only six seasons ago???

Posted by: baltova1

Only if you care.

Posted by: Brue | August 20, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Roger Bernadina is getting a year's worth of big league education in one night against Halladay.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I think you're supposed to care about the team's history, especially when it's only got five years of history, when you get paid to broadcast the games.

Probably wouldn't hurt if the fans who posted on blogs knew that history, too.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

>Roger Bernadina is getting a year's worth of big league education in one night against Halladay.

Posted by: baltova1

He's got this long pretty swing, he's just busting him in on his hands. It's the next phase of his education, when he can pull his hands in and still get the head of the bat on the ball. But he's not really there yet.

Posted by: Brue | August 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

>Probably wouldn't hurt if the fans who posted on blogs knew that history, too.

Posted by: baltova1

It was Sledge. And look what happened to him - he almost broke his leg in half not long after that. Nats got the Boulez curse so far.

Posted by: Brue | August 20, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of amazing how many players have been in this organization in six years. I was reading something about Colby Lewis of the Rangers the other day and realized he was in the organization for about a month. They show highlights of games from three years ago and it's a challenge to put names with faces...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

C'mon, Mench, do something I don't think you can do...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Halladay threw five balls to Mench and didn't walk him. Amazing...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

A repectable outing by the Marquis, hope he can build on it. Should have had a scoreless outing but our defensive shortcomings strike again. Dunn needs to take ballet lessons to get his feet to move.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 20, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

You can count on at least one baserunning blunder every Nats game.

Grrr....

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 20, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

And that's how you lose baseball games against good pitchers...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Tough break for Desmond to get doubled up!

Posted by: poncedeleroy | August 20, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Six runners in scoring position against Halladay.

No runs.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, why was he running? Too many missed and mangled opportunities. the efinition of a last place team.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 20, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Any pitcher who walks two people in a row should be released, the guy who signed him and everybody who scouted him fired, and his pets killed. No excuse for that. And I hope that Marquis's success against the weak hitting Phillies is not going to stop people from ripping him. People are too impressed by success.

Posted by: markfromark | August 20, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Brue, if you're out there, was Desmond going on his own there? I can see why you'd want to be on third with one out and Zim up, but I don't think Riggleman sent him, do you?

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Should be a tie game. Nyjer could have scored in first inning. You have to put pressure on the defense. Nats don't do that much.

Posted by: bamabug | August 20, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Um, markfromark, Halladay walked two guys in a row in the first inning...you might want to rethink that spiffy theory of yours.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Brue writes:

"Johnny 'truth serum' Holliday and Washington baseball since 1970."

I have no idea what you are talking about. If you're implying that Holliday is more likely to give an honest opinion about the team than Carpenter is, that presupposes Holliday knows enough about baseball or the Nats to give an informed opinion. For that matter, is presupposes Holliday has enough baseball knowledge to even make-up a phony opinion.

He doesn't.

Johnny Holliday is an embarrassment to MASN -- and by association, the Nationals organization. I can -- and have -- watched my team lose 205 games over the previous two seasons. I would not watch MASN's broadcast of game-7 of the Nationals in the World Series (I know it would be on Fox. I'm just making a point) if Johnny Holliday was the guy doing the play-by-play.

I'm not kidding. I wouldn't.

Posted by: noslok | August 20, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Seven runners in scoring position left stranded.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

This whole coaching staff needs to go at seasons end there have been too many mistakes on the basepath's poor situational hitting and horrible starting pitching they've run themselves out of at least half a dozen games.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 20, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Zimmermann 5 scoreless tonight, 1 hit, 1 walk, 5 ks. I think the mans ready. Now the question is who does he replace?

Posted by: dcsportsfan13 | August 20, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Playing devil's advocate here. You say this in regards to Nyjer all the time so I'll say it in regards to the coaching staff. You know, they give it their all the whole season out there managing and strategizing and it's not like you've ever managed before so don't be too hard on them, they will come around.

Posted by: amorris525 | August 20, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'd blame the coaching staff for a 1-0 loss...Lord.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Dunn-key stinks.

He needs to be traded for any player that can consistently put the ball in play.

Ten hits and no runs. Just UFB!!!

They better be able to score some runs when I go to the cubs game on monday!

Posted by: M20832 | August 20, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

So, the coaches made a mistake in not being aggressive in the first inning, because they should know that the centerfielder's throw will be offline and Dunn and Zimmerman and Bernadina won't drive him in. Then I guess they were too aggressive with Desmond in the 7th, because they should know that Zimmerman's going to hit a liner to LF that's going to get caught and turn into a double play.

So I guess the real problem with the coaches is that they're not mind readers?

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Leave Dunn alone.

Posted by: ammonite88 | August 20, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The real problem with Johnny Holliday doing the play-by-play is that Lou Holder is anchoring the post-game show. Has he seen any Nats' games this year? Wow.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 20, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Leave Dunn alone.

Posted by: ammonite88 | August 20, 2010 10:07 PM

Seriously. It's the price you pay with a slugger.

BTW, shepdave2003, you're right about Lou Holder. He's awful.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually a Dunn fan because he's the best HR-hitter we've ever had, but OMG he strikes out a lot with runners in scoring position. It just seems like every time a pitcher really bears down, a wiff is coming up. It would be interesting to know how many of his Ks come with runners in scoring position. I would be willing to bet he's the easiest K in the league with men in scoring position and the game on the line. He`s the opposite of Zimm who comes through time and time again.

Posted by: lesatcsc | August 20, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Dibble is slamming Marquis for only going five. I think he's off base, given that Marquis' coming off surgery. Yeah, he was expected to be a workhorse, but I don't really think you can expect him to give you a lot of innings right now, given what he's done so far.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

One last note, then I'm out of here. Desmond tried to steal third on his own in the seventh when he ran into the double play. So is that bad coaching, dargregmag?

Posted by: baltova1 | August 20, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you there, baltova1. I don't get Dibble's obsession with Marquis' short-ish game tonight. The Nats lost because of other things (like not scoring runs). The pitching staff seems to have held the Phillies to only 1 run (which really should not have been an earned run, actually).

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 20, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm just glad to see him last 5 innings. Its a building block for him and no need to stretch him out yet, the years down the tubes anyway. Time to just get him some innings and try to make sure he is on track for 2011.

Posted by: cokedispatch | August 20, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

One last note, then I'm out of here. Desmond tried to steal third on his own in the seventh when he ran into the double play. So is that bad coaching, dargregmag?

Posted by: baltova1
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You're missing the play. Zimm's liner was right at Ibanez the Nat Killer. It IS Listach's job to stop him cold in that situation. The ball was still in the air and Ian was sliding in, unstopped by the 3B pretend coach even though off the bat it was obvious it would be an out. Ian might still have been doubled off but with Ibanez's throw he would have been safe tonight. This is not mind reading -- it is called baseball sense and coaching. I'm a season's ticket holder at 3B and tired of yelling for Listach to be fired. I don't know if he is daydreaming or talking on his bluetooth but he does not pay attention or have any ability to react until after the play is over. Radison is worse (April 23 v. Dodgers), but both are there only as Rigg's buddies. This team cannot win with these two bozos as base coaches. They need to be gone next year. Yes, pennants are won and lost by base coach decisions. Listach is wrong 75% of the time when an actual decision needs to be made. I didn't see the play in the first tonight, but he was wrong in the 7th. You have to be able to react to the situation while it is happening, not later.

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | August 20, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Batlova1: You're kidding right? this coaching staff is clueless, you send Nyjer, why? because Roy Halladay is pitching and team's with better lineup's haven't beaten him this season, why? because at that point you don't know that your team is going to waste ten hits or that Bernadina is going to hit into a double play with the sacks full or that Jason Marquis is going to have his best outing of his injury plagued season or that you have nothing to lose because let's face it we're out of the wild card race(ya think?) and this isn't the first time this coaching staff has gaffed it's way into a loss, just take a look out west at the Padres a team with one of the lowest payrolls in mlb but they're in first place why? because they have an excellent coaching staff and great pitching and very good defense, and because the coaching staff and the manager are no-nonsense this team plays hard each and every night you think the Padres every day lineup is better than the Nats? i would be hard pressed to say yes but the difference is San Diego is fundamentally sound in every facet of the game. Bud Black knows the game and so does his coaching staff but Riggs and his staff not so much.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 20, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Ten hits should score at least a run. Dunn does strike out alot with runners in scoring position but I wouldn't single him out. Desmond had three hits and Zimmermann didn't do squat. This team has talent but it needs to be properly coached. Riggs and his coaching staff are not the answer and never will be.

Posted by: hersheykid | August 20, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Great try by Ian. Tough break with Zim's lineout. Dribble thought it was a dumb to try to steal third. He had 3rd made and with only one out, maybe he scores and ties the game.
Dribble is never happy. Oh well, only about 40 games left to listen to him. Hear via the grapevine that we'll have a new tv crew next year.

Posted by: wtait1212 | August 20, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Great try by Ian. Tough break with Zim's lineout. Dribble thought it was a dumb to try to steal third. He had 3rd made and with only one out, maybe he scores and ties the game.
Dribble is never happy. Oh well, only about 40 games left to listen to him. Hear via the grapevine that we'll have a new tv crew next year.

Posted by: wtait1212 | August 20, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

I grew up a Chicago Cubs fan and was one for over 55 years before converting to the Nats. Would you rather have happy talk or win?

QED

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | August 21, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Oh man. Thank goodness I had to work and didn't watch it. These are the kind of games that eat your guts out Ten hits, no runs. Are you kidding me???

I guess it's right: Good teams make their own luck.

OK, cursed Marquis, I guess you've earned another shot.

Posted by: nats24 | August 21, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Closing point - Marquis threw 5IP of four-hit, one-run ball; Who'da thunk? (BTW: Kilgore's reverse lock almost held up).

Posted by: BinM | August 21, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

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