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Game 124 discussion thread: Nationals at Phillies

The Nationals try to win their second in a row against Philadelphia today as they wait to find out the extent of the injury to rookie pitcher Stephen Strasburg's flexor tendon in his right forearm.

Scott Olsen (3-5, 5.14 ERA) gets the start for Washington. Opposing him will be Roy Oswalt (8-13, 3.36).

Talk about the game right here.

By Gene Wang  |  August 22, 2010; 1:48 PM ET
Categories:  Scott Olsen , Stephen Strasburg  
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Just one of those frustrating comparisons to watch the Nats and the Phils in the exact situation in each of their first innings. Phillies make the necessary plays and come away with a run. Nats do not. (Even accounting for the fact that Desmond was totally safe)

Come on NATS!

Posted by: HenryStin | August 22, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Great point, Henry. The Phillies may not be quite the offensive power they've been in the past, but they know how to execute.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 22, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Bad news from Woodbridge, Maya is getting touched up by Winston-Salem. 5 run 4th (5 hits and a walk) followed by a lead-off HR in the 5th. Seems to be leaving some off-speed stuff up in the zone. Just replaced after 4.0, 6 earned runs.

Looks like he's got some adapting to do...

Posted by: Kev29 | August 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Just one of those frustrating comparisons to watch the Nats and the Phils in the exact situation in each of their first innings. Phillies make the necessary plays and come away with a run. Nats do not

Posted by: HenryStin | August 22, 2010 1:56 PM

Ditto for the third inning. The contrast between first and last place teams.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 22, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure our friend from Atlanta will check in later and tell us it's all the coaches and manager's fault, but it looks like Oswalt is just making slightly better pitches than Olsen with RISP.

But hey, here comes the rain. Could be our savior today...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 22, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Roy Oswalt is schooling the Nats unless the Nats get lucky i smell a shutout comming on, third inning was the key when Desmond took a hittable fastball right down the middle of the plate then Oswalt struck him out on four pitch's.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 22, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise. Another Nats strikeout with a runner on 3rd and less than 2 out. Awful clutch hitting all year. Dunn is the usual victim, but lately everyone wants to participate. Wonder if Eckstein - the supposed hitting guru - ever talks about that.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | August 22, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The Nats still have series left with the Cubs, Pirates and Astros and two with the Mets. All of those teams are either ready to pack it in or worse than the Nats. If this team wants to have a good finish to this season, they need to rack up some wins in those series.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 22, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Johnny Holiday is a terrible baseball announcer i don't have a problem with him on Terrapin football and basketball but he has me wishing for the return of Bob Carpenter, and yes Dunn has been terrible all year with Risp if i'm Rizzo i'd be looking long and hard at Adrian Gonzalez for next year i thought Rizzo should have been looking for a trade this past offseason before San Diego became the darlings of the National League.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm beginning to think we have the worst-fielding pitching staff (aside from Livo) in the league. I already know they are the worst bunting staff in the league. Seems to be a real challenge for these guys to field easy ground balls. Wonder if pitchers take fielding practice during the season. If not, maybe they should start doing it, 'cause they sure need it.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | August 22, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

And of course they get the 2 out hit. Game over.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | August 22, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

@dargreg - I agree on Johnny Holliday. He's the cheap and available replacement for Bobby when he goes on vacation. But one thing even the Carpenters-haters should agree with. Carpenter at least knows the game. Holliday doesn't have a clue.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | August 22, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Olsen ws sore when he got yanked after giving up consecutive hits in the fifth in his last start. Riggleman's rationale seems pretty clear, he can't make it third time through the order. Our starters just can't get to the 7th.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 22, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Imho endurance (getting to the seventh or beyond) is a mindset and proper physical conditioning along with knowing the opposing lineups strengths and weaknesses is a part of that mindset, i guess i'm more than a little dissapointed with the starters this year only Livo and "The Kid" have given the impression that they are capable of getting past the seventh i'm hoping that next season the starters have the proper mindset.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

It's not a question of endurance. They're holding up physically, they just aren't getting people OUT. Hitters figure them out, and they don't adjust to compensate. Which is sorta something I was hoping Pudge would bring, but apparently not enough of it.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 22, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Neither the pitchers or pitching coaches will admit it but most of the starters have no confidence they can go beyond the 5th inning...time after time we have seen them falter either late in the 5th or surely in the 6th...I do believe a lot of it has to do with Riggleman yanking them in the 6th as soon as a runner gets on base....

As I have stated many times here, a pitcher is not going to get mentally tough until he is left in there to get battered..Rescuing him early on does not help him at all...and if a pitcher's endurance wanes after the 5th that is on him and his conditioning...no excuses please for the starters....

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 23, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

I don't think I have ever seen a ball get caught in a ss glove before. Is this club snake bit or what???? Could it be bad kharma?

Going to the game tonight. Hope the cubbies are a cure for what ails the Nats.

Go Nats!

Posted by: M20832 | August 23, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

And then there's the issue of needing to throw more pitches in a given inning because the defense doesn't always back them up in making the outs that they could/should...

And, yeah, I've seen a ball get stuck in a glove before.

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It's not a question of endurance. They're holding up physically, they just aren't getting people OUT. Hitters figure them out, and they don't adjust to compensate. Which is sorta something I was hoping Pudge would bring, but apparently not enough of it.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 22, 2010 8:21 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 23, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me why this club is still carrying Will Nieves? He has the fifth worst OBP of all players with 150 plate appearances. A worse slugging pct. than Jason Kendall, who hasn't hit a home run or triple all season. AND there are TWO better defensive catchers up with the major league team right now. Why he's getting any PT at this point is beyond me.

Posted by: rnkorby | August 23, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Because he is paid to be the backup catcher. Come Sept., they'll call up Ramos, and I suspect Nieves's innings will decline considerably, but until the middle of next week, he's it.
Who are the two better defensive catchers on the roster? I'm assuming you're counting the starter as one, but there are only two catchers on the roster. I'm not even sure who the emergency catcher is right now.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 23, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

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