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Game 125 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Cubs

The Nationals will soldier on with Stephen Strasburg on the disabled list and face the Cubs, who at 51-74 are one of three National League teams with a worse record than the Nationals. Ian Desmond is out of the line, just a usual day off for the rookie.

Livan Hernandez will start and try to continue his excellent recent performance. He's been good all year, but in his last four starts he's allowed just seven earned runs in 27 2/3 innings, good for a 2.28 ERA. He'll oppose Casey Coleman, son of former big leaguer Joe Coleman.

Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  August 23, 2010; 7:05 PM ET
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Carp and Dibble chortling at what a great deal the Nats got by not signing Soriano for $160 squillion.

I guess you take your victories where you can get them...

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 23, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Dunn is starting to remind me of John Mayberry when I lived in KC: lots of potential to hit the ball a long ways, always hit into the shift and many, many K's between bursts of productivity. Big John was a better glove man however.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 23, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Joe Coleman, along with Eddie Brinkman and Aurelio Rodriguez, was part of the Worst Trade in Senators history when Bob Short traded him to the Tigers for Denny McLain. Coleman became a twenty game winner (more than once). McLain became a twenty game loser and an involuntary guest of the Feds.

Posted by: mojo6 | August 23, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

This gets so tough tuning in night after night to try to find the 1 in 3 games the Nats actually look like a MLB team and not a AAA squad.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 23, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody explain why Livan is pitching like he's facing the '27 Yankees? I think it might be safe to throw a couple of pitches over the plate...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 23, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree baltova... how many hitters do you have to go 2-0 and 3-0 on before you get lit up

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 23, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Any MLB player makes the catch in right field but Willie. Old, slow, got to go !

Posted by: navboss | August 23, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

You're saying Adam Dunn makes that catch?

Posted by: 202character | August 23, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Livo has nothing tonight.

Posted by: TimDz | August 23, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Any chance we can get a rainout going in the next couple of batters?

Posted by: baltova1 | August 23, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

man, this team is going to be hard pressed to win 70 games now...

Posted by: bromisky | August 23, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

After giving up an RBI single to yet ANOTHER pitcher, I decided to turn off the TV...

I know the future looks bright, but can it just GET HERE already?

Posted by: TimDz | August 23, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse


"Hard pressed" is a bit of an understatement. We'd have to play .500 baseball the rest of the way (including tonight's game)to win 70. Gentleman Jim will have done a great job if he can pull that off.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 23, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Cap, it may be time to raise the white flag on my 73 wins prediction...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 23, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

But then again, look at the starters we're facing. How are you supposed to beat Roy Halladay, Roy Oswalt, Casey Coleman?

Posted by: baltova1 | August 23, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I thought maybe Halliday and Oswalt had great games then you realize that we can make any pitcher look like Cy Young.

I agree, a bright future is cool but tired of the constant darkness that are the Nationals.

And Morgan should be like Willie Mays Hayes, eevry time he hits a ball ion the air he should have to do pushups infront of the dugout.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 23, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Stank's counting the premium game receipts for all the Cub fans at the park. See 'Pittsburg Pirates turn a 29 million dollar profit' article.

Posted by: Brue | August 23, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Good one, baltova1. Believe me, I derive no satisfaction from this situation.

Remember the good old days of May, when Roy Oswalt was allowing as how he wouldn't mind pitching for Washington, and we were speculating whether management would lift Stras' inning limit for the stretch drive?

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 23, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Has everybody seen the transcript of Dibbles suck it up comments on Strasburg yet is the Bog link if you want to fuel the anger and depression further

Posted by: CBinDC | August 23, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Premium game, down 9 - 0 in the 7th, there's got to be some irony in there somewhere.

You guys (colloquial) catch pre-game, Knight and Holiday talking about how good Olsen looked yesterday, about how last year he was one of the premium lefties in the entire NL. How bizarre.
No wonder I usually purposefully skip pre and post game.

Posted by: Sunderland | August 23, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

In case you were wondering what Dibble couldn't google: good story

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 23, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Whoa--just saw Morse without his helmet.

Get that man an actual haircut.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 23, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to my world. I keep slipping into alternate realities, ones where I did *not*, in fact, turn in that report on time, or update that data I *clearly* remember doing.

...pre-game, Knight and Holiday talking about how good Olsen looked yesterday, about how last year he was one of the premium lefties in the entire NL. How bizarre.
Posted by: Sunderland | August 23, 2010 9:55 PM

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 23, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Listening to the game announcers is not much better. We certainly heard a lot, especially from Carpy, about the manifold mistakes Cubs' management has made, dissension on their team, Soriano's character shortcomings, etc. Wonder what the Cubs' announcers were saying about our guys?

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 23, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Just got home from the game and had to look this up...
according to the link, Livo's 124 pitches in 4.1 IP is tied (with Joe Magrane, FWIW) for the most thrown to record 13 outs since 1988. Not sure why '88 was the cutoff, but still... I'm on a roll, having seen Livo's worst start of the year, Marquis' meltdown in his first start and Strasburg's stinker two weeks ago.
I think the team should pay me to stay home...

Posted by: NearNative | August 23, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

moat pathetic game I've seen all year ... they again look like the Washington Nationals of 2009 ... if Strasburg actually suffered a serious injury it will be a very, very ugly day in Mudville.

Posted by: periculum | August 23, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Sorry... needed to edit my original post.
According to the link, Livo's 121 pitches in 4.1 IP is tied for the second-most thrown to record 13 outs since 1988. Not sure why '88 was the cutoff, but still... I'm on a roll, having seen Livo's worst start of the year, Marquis' meltdown in his first start and Strasburg's stinker two weeks ago.
I think the team should pay me to stay home...

Posted by: NearNative | August 23, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I rarely comment, but after seeing this game, Willie Harris has got to go. Missing the catch, and the half-rear-ended slide into second, and general ineptitude both in the field and at the plate, means it's time to give Morse, Maxwell, or, say, a maple bat the playing time.

That is all.

Posted by: bk003h | August 23, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

At the game in section 113. I'm disheartened. It was a sea of blue all around me. The nats made a 2nd game starter with an ERA of 7.68 look like a Cy Young winner. Livo looked good first inning. After that he worked out of a jam he created by walking two. Then the top of the third inning. That third inning took over 1/2 hour to complete. Livo had thrown 90 pitches.
Anyway, seven of the nine runs are his.

After this despicable outing (all except Zimmerman looked like dog excrement). I'm putting my Strasburg jersey, my Nats tshirt and my curly W cap away until next year. I will not go to anymore games. I will not watch on tv. This one game really showed the true colors of DC's so-called baseball game. At home nonetheless.
I'm tired of a piss-poor manager say his team played hard when the obvious truth was right in front of my eyes.
I'm done. Y'all can have this sorry no-account team.

At least Grievus Vasquez was there in section 114 with Mom, Pop and the rest. Made me relive the glory of thrashing UNC and duke.

Posted by: M20832 | August 23, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Adam - I agree with some of the earlier posters. Can you press Riggleman on why he's so convinced that this team plays hard every day, when it clearly does not look that way to many of us? Six yr STH, I left the game tonight after the fifth inning ... one of the worst nights ever recorded at the ballpark. Riggleman and Rizzo keep repeating it and I'd like to believe it, but since the 35th game of the year, we really haven't seen a consistent effort from this team. I think it's fair to question whether Riggleman deserves to come back, with the way this team appears to be coming down the stretch.

Posted by: dlombardo1 | August 23, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I too am a STH, in year 5 of my plan. I was there tonight. This was about as far away from a decent baseball game as I've seen in over a year.

I too would like to know how Riggleman defines a lackadaisical performance, if he really thinks they "play hard every day." Uh, no, Jim, they don't, not at all.

Nobody on the Nats team was playing hard tonight. Willie Harris decided to take a little rest on his tummy while Soriano got a triple. Adam Kennedy watched ground balls go past him with rapt curiosity.

Completely disgusting.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 23, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I almost forgot: Justin Maxwell, who sports a .103 batting average, is put into games to hit. He then closes his eyes and swings when he hears the ball coming close, and predictably strikes out.

Why is he still in professional baseball?

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 23, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

and Riggleman is coming back as manager next year because....?

Posted by: 1stBaseCoach | August 24, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Adam - from your game story tonight, and something that I'd like to see addressed more ... "The Nationals remained stuck in what started a downslide in mid-May and became simply their reality. The Nationals have lost 11 of 15, 22 of 35 and 57 of 90. Since May 15 - which spans more than half the season - the Nationals are 33-57, the third-worst in the majors, only a half-game better than the Baltimore Orioles. They're on pace for 68 wins."

Yet, to listen to Riggleman and the players, you would think that they're just in a little slump. They've been terrible since the middle of May! And they're the only team I've ever seen to not get hot in a season. That's why I really think this season is a disappointment. For all the hope with Strasburg, they let a great opportunity get by this summer by not at least playing .500 baseball while the Redskins rebuild and the Caps had a short playoff run. I truly believe that they have underachieved in 2010, and I think we need to start examining this season and where we go from here. Most people think it's a big jump from last year. Outside of Strasburg, this year has been flatline from 2009 possibly.

Posted by: dlombardo1 | August 24, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

It is indeed becoming mystifying why they are giving so many at-bats to washed up (or never were) bench players like Harris, Kennedy, Gonzalez etc... may as well add Morgan to that list as he appears to be little more then a bench player, where he might actually be useful...

I wish this could happen now, but if it can't, then please make this happen on September 1st...

Bring Ramos up and make him your primary C for the month... love ya Pudge, you still got game on the defensive end of your game, but you are not the future and you make A LOT of outs on the offensive side...

Bring Espinosa up and let him play the month as the primary 2nd baseman, just like Desmond did in September 2009... forget Kennedy, he is gone in another month...

Play Desmond at SS every single day... no reason to play Gonzo, the dude is an absolute zero on the offensive side of the game, and we have plenty of zeros already in the lineup...

Thanks for the memories, Super Willie, but it is time for your DFA... I would rather see Morse play every day in RF and struggle, or, heck, I would rather see Maxwell out there because at least he can play defense, then have to continue to watch a mediocre bench player who has racked up a .175 average on the year eat up way, way too many at bats...

I think what I'm really saying is, please, please give us something to be excited about and root for... watching washed up bench players hit into easy outs and letting batted balls fly by them is not fun, so let us see some of these young guys because at least if they struggle, we can write it off as learning experiences that will pay off in the future...

One of the worst things I have heard Riggleman say is how he feels obligated, even late in a lost season, to continue to give his veterans at bats because they have worked hard all year and they are the ones who have gotten them where they are... hello, Mr. Riggleman, those are the guys that have gotten you the 7th worst record in MLB (and continuing to sink)... giving your veterans more at bats only makes sense if they are performing well, which the ones listed above are not... in a lost season, use the time left wisely and get these youngs guys as much MLB experience as possible... ugh...

Posted by: Ghost7 | August 24, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Got my STH yearbook tonight, and funny to read the interview with Rizzo, repeating so much of the language that we heard back in April and May ... "It's a different team this year, nobody wants to play us, everyone thinks we're going in the right direction." 33-57 since May 15. Lost 3 of 4 to Houston, swept by the Orioles, and now blown out at home by one of the few teams with a worse record than us, coming off their manager resigning the day before, starting a road trip. How is this team any different than '08 and '09. I know Rizzo gave Riggleman the vote of confidence a few weeks ago, but there must be consideration that he not return for next year. Adam?

Posted by: dlombardo1 | August 24, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

It blows me away that Ramos is not up here to stay yet. What in the world are we waiting for?

Posted by: dlombardo1 | August 24, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

And while I'm on my rant... if there really is no intention to resign Dunn, and he walks and there is not some plan in place to replace him with some kind of high quality offensive 1st baseman (and, no, there is no one in the minors that will be ready by Opening Day 2011)... then I really have to wonder why they didn't trade him to the White Sox for the same package that the D'backs got for Edwin Jackson... that young picther the D'backs got (Dan Hudson) has been pretty solid thus far... plus they got another pitching prospect...

Not to say the Sox definitely would have done it, but all the rumors were they only got Edwin Jackson to flip him to the Nats for Dunn, so it would seem reasonable that they would have skipped getting Jackson and just sent Hudson and the pitching prospect to the Nats for Dunn if the Nats were willing to go that route...

I mean, don't get me wrong, if they want Dunn and they can sign him, great... Dunn is not perfect, he has defensive issues and can disappear offensively for weeks at a time... but he is a legit threat in a lineup that really doesn't have too many of them...

But, if they never intended to bring Dunn back (except at a complete cut rate)... then I would have to say not taking that deal from the Sox (if it was there) was a loss...

9-1 lackluster losses make me unhappy...

Posted by: Ghost7 | August 24, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Stop the presses!!!! The Natinals lost?

Next thing I'll know the sun will rise tomorrow.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 24, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Big mistake signing Riggleman for next year...Since he was signed we have seen a different manager...Or maybe we are seeing the real Riggleman and we were blinded by the media or something....He shows no fire...I never expected him to be a Pinella but there have been many times when a manager has to show some emotion to fire his team up...

Also there is an intangible about him that I can't putmy finger on...don't know if it is some of the bonehead moves he makes or what...but it is there....Next year he won't last until the All Star break....

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 24, 2010 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Well said Ghost! Saves me the trouble of posting.

Posted by: jcampbell1 | August 24, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Ghost, I agree with you. I think I'm generally more forgiving than some others here. I think the Nats are on the right path. This is clearly a better team than the last few years. They're developing a core group of good young players, with more on the way.

But they should win more than 68 games this year, which is what is now projected. Maybe not a lot more but more than 68. I think this team does give off an attitude sometimes that they accept losing a little too easily. Boz says otherwise and he's in the locker room and we're not, but it still feels that way.

A manager can affect that, but only temporariliy. Yes, Buck Showalter gave the Orioles a boost and they may play better for the rest of the year, but they're still not that good. Riggleman said he spoke to the team after the game last night about effort, so let's see if that changes anything.

It comes down to talent. It comes down to having enough players with ability, experience and competitiveness so that, when you're down 5-0 in the third, you think you can still win. I'm not sure they have enough of those guys yet. Doesn't look like it.

In the meantime, yes, play the prospects a lot the rest of the way. Bring up Espinosa, Ramos, even Marrero. Cut the playing time for guys like Pudge, Harris, Nieves, Gonzo, Kennedy, even Dunn to a certain extent and give that time to the young guys.

Give us a reason to believe. I think it's there but it's hard to find right now.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 24, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

"Also there is an intangible about him that I can't putmy finger on...don't know if it is some of the bonehead moves he makes or what...but it is there....Next year he won't last until the All Star break...."

Jim Riggleman is a nice guy. But Leo Durocher had it right. Nice guys finish last.

Posted by: FeelWood | August 24, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Day 1 STH and last night was one of the worst ever; didn't leave early enough, Ghost and baltova1 are right. But the look on Zimm's face when he couldn't reach someone's line double summed it all up -- why am I playing with these bums? Even Harris knows he's washed up -- maybe he has the courage to ask for his release since Riggs still thinks he is a star who just needs ABs. I'm concerned that Dunn's current slump is because his agent has told him there's no way he'll be signed and he's now kicking himself for not pushing for a trade. The 3 Cubs pitchers entered the game with ERAs totaling over 20 and we made them look like Halladay. 60 wins is looking tough right now (that's one a week). They have thrown in the towel and Riggs is the leading towel waver -- the Cubs will hold out for Girardi and not hire Sandberg -- bring him here. No established manager will touch this disfunctional organization that puts profit ahead of product, and regards winning as a foreign concept, so look for a rising star. How can you go 120+ into a season and not win more than 3 in a row?

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | August 24, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

As long as we're wallowing in it . . .

AK notes the 33-57 record since the early season mirage. So, while the Nats might be on pace for about 68 wins, since mid May, they have played at a 59 win pace -- same as 2009.

In fairness, it took a 7 game win streak at the end to get 2009 up to 59 wins, but that observation only underscores the lack of anything close to a win streak this year.

Still some work needed on this product.

Posted by: KenNat | August 24, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Depressing. I made it through the 8th, then was disgusted at myself for wasting my time. May was so exciting. The rest of the season has been so deflating. It really is hard to see any meaningful progress right now. I am one unhappy ST holder, to go with all the other unhappy ones posting above.

Posted by: NatsFly | August 24, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Luckily, I feel asleep on the couch long before the end of the game. I won't give a status update on my mood. I'm not a STH, so nobody gives a rat's patoot about it, right? ;-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 24, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Uh, "fell" asleep. Too bad I can't use sleep deprivation as an excuse...

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 24, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

What I would give to see Zim smash the gatoraid cooler with his bat just once.

Or let Harris do it and let him hurt himself so Riggs has a reason not to give the vet ABS. Even the Cubs announcrs say the scouting report on Willie is he takes way too many good pitches.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 24, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Think we need a new manager who can kick ass when needed. Someone like than will cast more so forget it.

Posted by: boyn4884 | August 24, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

If I can find one, I'd be happy to give you a rat's patoot.

Remember two universal truths:
Some time during the day your feet will hurt, and
All naps, not behind the wheel, are good.

Let's play two!

Posted by: SlowPitch63 | August 24, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

We didn't only get the immortal Denny McLain in that trade, we also got Don Wert and one other gem!

Posted by: 1of9000 | August 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, SlowPitch, you're a real pal! (I think.) :-D I like the universal truths, too.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 24, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Didn't watch last night, my wife and daughter had me out spending money last night for her dorm room and judging from the post it's a good thing i didn't watch, i'll say it again they will never win under Riggleman he's a nice enough guy but you know the old saying, nice guy's finish.................... Rizzo needs to clean house and he needs to tell StanK to butt out because if he doesn't Rizzo gonna get himself fired,this team has enough talent to at least be within 5 games of .500 but they will never achieve that status because of Riggleman.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 24, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Just writing out of habit. I'm here, I'm reading, agreeing, wavering between irate and despondent. Too bummed to even spell check.

Dargreg - Where's young DeShields now. And BTW, what's his primary position?

Posted by: Sunderland | August 24, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Since two people have now referenced Leo Durocher's "quote," "nice guys finish last," time for a history lesson from Wikipedia:

"In a July 6, 1946 interview with Red Barber, Durocher had been commenting on the common belief at the time that if a team's players got along well, they would naturally play better than teams with difficult or irascible players; noting some of the players on the Giants who had reputations as personable individuals, notably Mel Ott, he observed that they were all "nice guys", but would nonetheless finish last (while his Dodgers were in first place), summing up his argument with, "Nice guys; finish last."

Durocher later noted that the remark was quoted accurately in the published interview, but came to take on a different meaning when some incorrectly thought he meant that such a team would finish last because it included "nice guys", when in fact he had meant that there was no correlation (and in fact, saw it more as an ironic situation) between the personalities on a team and their level of play. (See 1966 Chicago Cubs, below.)

Thus the quote "Nice guys finish last" has long been attributed to Durocher, including an entry in Bartlett's Familiar Quotations. Many historians assert, however, that the famous four words never were actually uttered by Durocher; the quotation as it is remembered actually came from headline writers distilling Durocher's quote that "The nice guys are all over there, in seventh place, not in this dugout" into a pithy soundbite."

BTW, the reference to the 1966 Cubs? "At the same press conference (announcing his hiring), Durocher declared, "I am not the manager of an eighth place team." He was right: the Cubs finished 10th and became the first team to finish behind the previously hapless New York Mets."

So the lesson appears to be that hiring a manager famous for (not really) saying "nice guys finish last" means sometimes you still finish last.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 24, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Riggleman is awful. Case closed. Rizzo by backing this terrible manager is showing he is completely clueless. The Os and Buck Showalter will leave the Nats in their dust next season. Bank on it. And what will Rizzo and Riggleman say then?

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | August 24, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

More happy news to digest, while we wait for Adam to wake up and do the morning post (preferably while it's still morning), from

"With the caveat that free agent destinations are difficult to predict in August, Adam Dunn and the Cubs are an agreeable match. The Cubs badly need a left-handed power bat at first base, and Dunn is a fan of Wrigley Field and Cubs GM Jim Hendry, based on comments he made to Gordon Wittenmyer of the Chicago Sun-Times. ESPN's Buster Olney guesses that a four-year offer from the Cubs would seal the deal. The Cubs currently project to have the sixth overall pick in the 2011 draft, which will be protected if they sign a Type A free agent who turned down an arbitration offer.

Dunn twice mentioned his ongoing contract talks with the Nationals in his conversation with Wittenmyer. How likely is an extension? According to MASN's Ben Goessling, team sources "are skeptical that the Nationals will re-sign the first baseman before he hits free agency." What's more, one Nationals source says the team's braintrust "loves" Carlos Pena. Pena has slumped to a .213/.338/.439 line in 2010, but he won't require a four-year deal. As a Scott Boras client, I wonder if Pena prefers a one-year pact."

BTW, what did Dunn say to the Sun-Times? ''[Wrigley Field's] obviously one of my favorite parks to hit in,'' said Dunn, second in the National League with 31 home runs. ''I've always really enjoyed playing there. The atmosphere is great there for any player. The fans are always hard on the other team, which makes it fun.''

Posted by: baltova1 | August 24, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what

Posted by: dargregmag | August 24, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about that; I wonder what Phil

Posted by: dargregmag | August 24, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about that; I wonder what Phil

Posted by: dargregmag | August 24, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

In Riggs defense, even the ghost of Connie Mack would have trouble getting these guys to play .500 ball. As much as I'm not a fan of our manager the biggest problem is not him, it's the lack of talent.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 24, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like Boz was righter than he wanted to be -- Boras is now the GM, getting 10% of every deal he makes for the team as a "bonus." Must be how they do tenant finder deals for shopping malls. Dunn is too old to sign, so let's sign a guy who is older, with a shorter track record, who's already in proven decline? Doh?

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | August 24, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to suggest that Rizzo comments about Riggleman a couple weeks back are empty and meaningless.

"He deserves to be the manager next year," Rizzo said. "I have all the faith in the world in him. He's a teriffic manager. I expect him to be here for a long time."

Rizzo may keep Riggleman. He may not. All those comments were intended to do is stave off any discussion about Riggleman's status.

I do not see Riggleman's return as inevitable or already determined. It certainly might happen. But we could also see a new manager for 2011.

This would be in line with Rizzo's M.O. Stay respectful and as consistently quiet as possible. Act and then discuss.

Leading up to the trade deadline he said as little as possible. Leading up to the deadline to sign draftees he said as little as possible.

I've been trusting of Rizzo since he got here. On balance, he's done (IMHO) a real good job. He's got huge challenges, some of which none of us are privy to (budget and payroll discussions with ownership).

I'll keep trusting him.

Posted by: Sunderland | August 24, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about that; I wonder what Phil Wood is saying about his boy(Riggleman) these days not much i bet, i can't imagine what the spin will be if they get swept by the Cubs they are headed at warp speed Mr.Sulu for 100 loses!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 24, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Two things stuck out for me in your post -
1) Dunn clearly wants to stay in the NL, and the Cubs would now be a good fit for him, since the trade of Lee to the Braves.
2) The Cubs would probably be willing to 'pay the freight' for Dunn as a FA, to the tune of $14-16M/yr. It's becoming more and more clear that the Nationals FO aren't willing to go that far, even on a three-year deal. As a result, they will lose another 'bidding war' if he goes to FA.

Olney's opinion regarding a Pena signing is a 'worst-case' in my book - He's a year older than Dunn, hasn't been anywhere near as consistent, and is starting to show some signs of breaking down physically. If it plays out this way, it tells me that Rizzo is being hamstrung by the Lerner groups' bottom-line.

Posted by: BinM | August 24, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Another thought - What would make any of the fanbase think that if the team is unwilling to sign Dunn at a rumoured $14M/yr for 3 years ($42M), that they will go after any FA who will run in excess of that?

Take Carl Crawford, Adrian Gonzalez, Cliff Lee, and others off your 'christmas wish-list' right now; It just isn't going to happen.

Posted by: BinM | August 24, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

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