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Game 133 discussion thread: Nationals at Marlins

One night after Jason Marquis earned his first win in almost a year, Jordan Zimmermann will try to earn his first win in more than a year. Zimmermann is making his second start since his return from Tommy John surgery, and because of that he'll have less control over his W. He'll be limited to five or six and no more than 100 pitches.

The Nationals, who have broken out in their their three games with Bernadina-Zimmerman-Dunn-Morse comprising the heart of the order, will face right-hander Anibal Sanchez. He's having a nice year and enters with a 3.29 ERA and 11-8 record.

With a win, the Nationals will notch two modest milestones. It would be their first four-game winning streak and it would clinch their first victory of a road series since May 12; the Nats have gone 16 series without winning one.

Sanchez started with two strikeouts, but Ian Desmond reached on a wild pitch. From there, talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  August 31, 2010; 7:20 PM ET
 
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I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these stupid baserunning blunders.

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 31, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

AND it looks like the Bad Nats showed up tonight, at least on the offensive side.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Desmond gets doubled off again -- no reason to go past second, especially with Zim up next. I hope he gets this nonsense out of his system pretty soon. His biggest fault seems to be overplaying in the field and on the basepaths.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 31, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Looks like there' more of us here than Marlins fans at the park again.

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 31, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

is it me, or does Morse seem to be keeping his feet closer together in his stance?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 31, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, safe at third. Nats get a break.

Why don't guys argue anymore, especially when you know the umps are wrong? I know I'd be barking at 'em.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 31, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Hope Zimmermann is giving us a taste of what to expect when Strasburg returns.

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 31, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Thinking the same thing, gil. Touching 96 on the gun.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Holy cow, we can field! (OK, when it's not hit to the big lunk at first :-)

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Livo won Saturday, Lannan won Sunday, Marquis won last night. JZ looking great tonight, fingers crossed for Maya tomorrow w/ the Chiefs. Let's not throw in the towel for next season - spend some money to support that staff!

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

That was the best news we've gotten since the Strasburg injury. J. Zimm was great tonight. Really makes you feel good about him for next year.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 31, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Who are these guys? Where have they been all year? Marlins, schmarlins.

Posted by: markfromark | August 31, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Did JZimm have a great outing or what? This is a taste of what life can be like after Tommy John surgery. I hope Strasburg was watching.

Posted by: DavidandDonald | August 31, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

OK, so, it's about the time the game started yesterday. Anyone else want to see a whole 'nuther game's worth of extra innings, take this thing out to 1 am again?

Znn looked terrific, sorry we couldn't borrow one of yesterday's runs . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe the lack of comments here. This is one of the best games I have ever seen...0-0 in the tenth? That is crazy and so cool.

Whose pitching will give it up? OH MY!

Amazing.

Posted by: Eric157 | August 31, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer on the basepaths ... why am I suddenly nervous?

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | August 31, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's why.

You can't spell "numbskull" without NM.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | August 31, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye, Nyjer.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 31, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

THAT is how and when you hit the catcher, Nyjer.

Now, about going home . . . (Guh.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Great attempt by Morgan... it was a DP either way. Can't believe he held onto that ball... that was tough.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 31, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

@SilverSpring8: Now you know why you were nervous. Look how high the catcher fielded Hanley's throw. Had Nyjer slid instead of trying to be Pete Rose he might have been safe. I'd bench him now. Right now.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | August 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

if he woulda just slid he woulda scored it looked like

Posted by: bford1kb | August 31, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, I've liked the guy since he's come here, but I think that should just about do it for Morgan's Nats career. Riggleman is certainly going to be back and I don't think he'll want Nyjer back.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What do you say to that Silver? Yikes! A slide scores by Morgan.

Ugh

Posted by: Eric157 | August 31, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

He is safe if he slides. Tough to criticize for him that there, because that really is a split second decision you have to make seeing the high throw. It's just impossible to give Morgan the benefit of the doubt on decision-making issues.

I still think he's got a place as a legit CF in MLB, but his mistakes are so glaring.

Posted by: OldNumber3 | August 31, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Ooh, you all reading Nyjer's lips yelling at the fans? Yeah, he's done.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Again what a crappy play by Nyjer, a slide would of gotten him home and we would of had the lead.
The Nats can't succeed with a bone-head like him, he just can't do things the right way.

I would of loved to see Riegleman's expression on this play and if he feels also after what happened on Saturday that Nyjer has to go

Posted by: Golfersal | August 31, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

You fools... how can you say he should've slid. He's supposed to see the ball being high, see the plate, and slide all at the exact same split second? If the throw wouldve beat him everyone would've said, oh he shouldve ran him over!!

Look, Morgan isn't having a good year, but that was not his fault. Sorry.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | August 31, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

It's not even the runs or the decisions Morgan is making, it's the fact that he looks completely out of control - with no grasp on his emotions over the last couple weeks.

No one wants that in a clubhouse.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Not smart by Nyjer a Jackie Robinson style fading slide would have beat the throw.

Posted by: dargregmag | August 31, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

F!

Posted by: Eric157 | August 31, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he was safe. Good arm strength from Bernadina, just a bit off.

At least Zmann looked great.

Posted by: OldNumber3 | August 31, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he was safe. Good arm strength from Bernadina, just a bit off.

At least Zmann looked great.

Posted by: OldNumber3 | August 31, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer has the IQ of a freakin' house plant...

Posted by: TimDz | August 31, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm with those saying that was a tough decision - slide or bash - that could have gone either way. Damned if you do . . .

As for a "Jackie Robinson style fading slide," dar . . . I got a good chuckle out of that.

Good call.

NOT that similar to the prior play. Catcher clearly up the line makes the decision-making process completely different.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Well, there is justice served... Nyjer takes the catcher out, putting his tough guy attitude ahead of the goal of scoring the run... Hanley slides to avoid the tag and wins the game for his team...

Play Nyjer tomorrow, Riggs... cause it will be fun to see if the Fish stick one in his ribs...

Posted by: Ghost7 | August 31, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Not a good night for Storen. That's about as quick as you can get beat. Let's hope he learns something from that.

Posted by: lesatcsc | August 31, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree, Nyjer is out of control. Time for Riggs to teach a lesson regardless of the pending suspension.

Posted by: JT2009 | August 31, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer should have reacted to the catcher's position. As Ray Knight pointed out, the stretch move to catch the throw left the plate exposed for a slide. Same thing for Ramirez in their half of the 10th. I didn't think that was a very good tag by Pudge but he was in a tough spot because the throw pulled him off the base a little.

Tough break, but that was a helluva game.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 31, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I agree that you can't criticize Nyjer for the lack of slide there, by the time he would've been able to see the high throw (he should be focused on home plate, not looking at 2B) it would have been too late to effectively slide. That being said, it's brutal watching him make outs on the basepaths.

Posted by: OldNumber3 | August 31, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

This was a great game, one of the best I have ever seen, and I am happy to have seen it regardless of the outcome.

Sucks for Zimmermann to get the loss.

Posted by: Eric157 | August 31, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Zimmermann is all that matters for me tonight - as good as a win. Though 4 in a row would be nice. If I was Riggs I'd be muttering "should have been a farmer" after that one.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Here's the script on ESPN's play-by-play:

"A Kennedy grounded into double play, second to shortstop to catcher to shortstop to catcher, A Gonzalez out at second, N Morgan out at third, N Morgan out at home, A Kennedy to first"

Now that's a real bonehead play, Nyjer getting himself out at third and at home (:>).

Posted by: gnatman | August 31, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Ghost: no justice served there, just a well-played, well-won game.

Nyjer hit the catcher, to my mind, because on a 50-50 ball like that, that is one of the two best options. The other was a "Jackie Robinson style fading slide," but I'm not certain that a slide even guarantees that he is safe there.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

yes, les. he sawed Ramirez's bat in half, and the guy got on anyway. It happens. But then he just walks into scoring position, and it seemed to rattle Storen a bit.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 31, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer is totally out of control -- he wanted to prove his bonehead play from Saturday was the right way to go so he put his ego ahead of the team. Let's hope his suspension is upheld so that Riggs has no choice but to play anybody, whether a call-up or even Willie or the bat boy (same thing). And for those who think things were too fast for Nyjer to decide, he had the play in front of him.

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | August 31, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Zimm didn't get the loss.

Sorry, don't know how anyone can continue to defend Morgan, his lack of baseball instincts keep showing; maybe he should have been a hockey player. As much as it pains me to say, play Maxwell over him; seems that we traded Lastings Milledge for the same guy with less hair.

Tony Plush would be ashamed of the way Nyjer Morgan is playing, but Plush retired at the end of last year.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | August 31, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

That is to say, that was a good, tough baseball play, one you don't see much any more. I suspect the Marlins will see it that way as well.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Nothing guarantees he's safe, the umps haven't been having a good night. And it is a split-second decision. But Nyjer does seem like he's looking for the nearest ass to kick. When you do that, it usually winds up being your own.
Trust me, I know about this.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 31, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Sucks for Zimmermann to get the loss.

Posted by: Eric157 | August 31, 2010 10:22 PM

No decision - and his ERA goes from 11+ to 4.50. Great night for JZ.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Well pitched game, but the knucklehead crash in the top of the 10th by our beloved idiot #8 hitter (what the heck has gotten into him lately) achieved one thing. It woke a sleeping giant and the heads up slide by Ramirez made the difference. As Charlie would say, unbelievable.

Posted by: cokedispatch | August 31, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

stevie_in_gp: I don't know... slide or hit the catcher could be a bang-bang decision... but, from what happened the other day, and from the way Morgan has been talking, I just have the thought that he was determined to hit the catcher not because he thought it was the best play, but because he wanted to hit somebody to express his frustration and his pseudo-tough guy attitude... I can't read minds, but that is my take on the situation from what I have read and seen during the course of the game...

And if you want to say the decision between slide or hit the catcher on a play like that is determined by instincts because of the bang-bang nature of the decision making, that is fine, in many cases that is true... but, if Morgan has proven anything this year, it is that his baseball instincts (especially on the basepaths) is extremely poor...

Posted by: Ghost7 | August 31, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-Awww JEEZ....we STILL haven't won 4 in a row. And as big a supporter of Nyjers' as I've been.....sad to see a guy who sparkled for us so last year playing like he's under an unfair attack. Fair or not, it appears like he's of the opinion that the world is out to get him-that he's been wronged. And.......well, we all tend to get our backs up when we feel we're being "picked" on. Get kinda "mule-y" But I much prefer the happy go lucky guy we all (at least many of us) came to love last year. 'Cause Nyjer DEFINITELY does NOT play well with the "controlled" fury of a Jackie Robinson. His anger seems to result in LESS control, and then (from us) more fury. Not to mention that whatever he feels he's being unfairly subjected to, it PALES in comparison....SO-hate to say it about a guy I really like but NYJER-stop the petulant play and grow up-it's baseball, not hockey. No moral victories in cross checks here (except when there is....). Saw a sign at the park the other day-"Free Nyjer". Nyjer, please....free yourSELF!!
Ah well....
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | August 31, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

But Nyjer does seem like he's looking for the nearest ass to kick. When you do that, it usually winds up being your own.
Trust me, I know about this.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 31, 2010 10:28 PM

Ha! Perfectly said.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 31, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Did you all watch what I watched? The catcher was up in the air. If moonball had slid, he would have been safe. But no, he's gotta run into the catcher who tagged him. What an idiot! He needs to be benched!

Posted by: M20832 | August 31, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Morgan is waiver wire stuff at this point. The guy is just not gonna ever get it if he has not gotten it to date. He slides in any way tonight and it is a run. A literal game-saver. But Marty McSorley thinks slam the catcher -- standing on not before the plate -- and we lose. Forget this guy. Move on and do it now. He is at 30 years old beyond reclmation. Next.

Posted by: dfh21 | August 31, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Ghost, you'll get little argument from me on your rephrasing. That and Sec3 seem about right to me. Certainly no WAY of knowing what's in his mind right now . . . except he's clearly angry.

Yeah, I saw a left foot on the plate, left side of it, even, not in the air, M. But it's moot.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo's boldest move to date was to move Lastngs and Hanrahan for Burnett and Morgan. Given that Hanrahan still has a very live arm and Lastings is 6 years younger and out-performing Nyjer in 2010, I'd say, advantage Bucs.

Posted by: dfh21 | August 31, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-And yet....watchin' the replay... I'm not so sure that Nyjer WASN"T safe! Looks like he steps on the plate simultaneously with him hitting the catcher and the ball being caught. Now-for once!- we got the benefit of a few calls but STILL-tie goes to the runner. Anyone else see it that way?
C'mon Scotty...bet the Fish tomorrow, a sweep in Picksburgh and Voila!-we finally get our 4 in a row! G'night, Gang and
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | August 31, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if they'll make any late trades tonight? A little surprised there wouldn't be some interest in Adam Kennedy, given the number of teams needing infielders right now. Somebody else pointed out that Peralta would be a smart pickup for somebody, although he wouldn't bring much in return.

Also like to know who the callups will be.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 31, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

@zendo: once you make the decision to initiate contact like that, you gotta make the catcher drop the ball. No nit-picky calls on technicalities involved on that one.

(Not that you'll read this.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | August 31, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

On that game winning hit tonite...Pudge had the ball in time but his tag was high instead of going for the shoe and by the time he tagged the guy his foot had touched the plate...I have seen this over and over and particularly at second base where the tag on a sliding guy is at his shoulder...which is always beaten by the hand touching the base...still an excellent game...

Next year I hope the outfield is Bernandina in centerfield, Willingham in left and Morrison in right.....use Nyjer for defensive purposes ONLY....

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 31, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-Naw.... I"m still here, Steve. And yea, you're 100% right. So...is Riggs gonna "protect" Nyjer again tomorrow? Although sans his other play on the catcher, I'm not sure this would be TOO upsetting to the Fish.Sigh...and what about my scenario for 4 wins in a row? OK-now I'm REALLY gonna check out fer the night..but I'll read everything I missed in the morning. See ya, Gang...
Go Nats

Posted by: zendo | August 31, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that Nyjer should be kept out to prevent anything from happening to him...it wasn't a dirty play at all and I think the fish would even agree.

That said, Nyjer needs to be BENCHED for yet another bonehead play. That is three such (bonehead) plays in four games (getting picked off 1st before Harris' HR/bumping the catcher in the SL game and tonights play).

Rizzo has GOT to be watching this...Mike...three letters...DFA.

Posted by: TimDz | August 31, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

MAKE that Morse in right field...plenty of power from those three if Willingham comes back healthy...Bernandina is a power hitter and on the rise...Keep Dunn with Zim at third and we have 5 guys who can easily each hit 25 homers....

Posted by: pentagon40 | August 31, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Just got home--heard the calls on the radio. FWIW, Charlie and Dave's assessment was very similar to that of Ghost7 and Sec3. Thought Nyj made up his mind ahead of time to hit the catcher and did not adjust. They then contrasted that with Ramirez's decision: one didn't slide, the other did, there's your ballgame. They also noted that Nyjer was lucky not to get called out at 2B when he overslid and suggested going into the bottom of the 10th that Nyjer's slide might light a fire under Marlins.

Yes, great outing by JZimm (oops, not a good monicker) but we have to start winning games like these. Marlins can be beaten tomorrow.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 31, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Dear Journal,

omg Hes' realy back. wow.

just ... hold me, jornal. hold me.

*sigh*

Posted by: Scooter_ | August 31, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

The Pirates have this really good substitute ball girl (Tiffanee), who fills in for the regular gal when she has Freshman Math class. She's really sweet and the fans down the left field line seats really love her.

I hear that the Pirates would be willing to trade her to the Nats for Nyjer Morgan, if the Nats are willing to pick up the rest of Nyjer's salary and kick in another $75,000. They're a bit reluctant, but are swayed by Lastings Milledge's plea for getting the clubhouse "attitude" right.

I understand that Tiffanee is only willing to work Tuesdays and Thursdays, due to her class schedule, but I think the Nats ought to go for it if she'd agree to be on-call on Sunday's too. Because a good ball girl has got to be worth more than the ice-cold dread that a "Nyjer Morgan's on base" report from Charlie and Dave inspires.

So let's all beg Tiffanee to accept the trade.

Posted by: Snopes1 | September 1, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

I try SOOO hard to be fair and not to jump on players, but MORGAN is awful. I am tried of seeing him in the line up. He has been terrible on the bases, average in the field, and two games in a week made crucial errors at home. Morgan, running into a catcher will not help your awful season at the plate. he is too stupid even for a MLB ballplayer.

Posted by: SFcapsfan | September 1, 2010 3:13 AM | Report abuse

The thrill of watching Zimmermann pitch this game is still making Morgan's play at the plate less painful. This was one of the very best, tightest games to watch. I did not even mind the Nats going mostly inept at the plate, in fact it kept the sharp rhythm of the game intact.

But Nyjer, oh Nyjer, you still have so much to learn about how to play this game.

Posted by: driley | September 1, 2010 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Strictly in baseball terms and not as a human being, I hate Hanley Ramirez. He, not the Lerners, is the guy who really owns the Nats.

Posted by: markfromark | September 1, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

The Nyjer Morgan era is over for now. Please send to Syracuse where he can cool off. When a player is trying to show so hard what a MAN he is, it is abundantly clear what kind of TEAMMATE he is.

Posted by: ehay2k | September 1, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

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