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Stephen Strasburg 'probably' needs Tommy John surgery, will miss 12 to 18 months

Rookie phenom Stephen Strasburg will "probably" miss at least one year and perhaps the entire 2011 baseball season after undergoing Tommy John surgery to replace the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, General Manager Mike Rizzo said. After one of the most electrifying beginnings to a baseball career in memory and after validating the massive hype that trumpeted his arrival, Strasburg ends his season with an uncertain future. The Washington Nationals will hold their breath, optimistic Strasburg will conform with the odds and return to full health by 2012.

"It's a tough day for him and for all of us, for everyone who's a Nats fan," Team President Stan Kasten said. "But we saw Jordan [Zimmermann] come back last night. A year from today, Stephen will be joining him."

Strasburg will receive a second opinion from Dr. Lewis Yocum, the surgeon who performed Tommy John surgery on Jordan Zimmermann. But the Nationals are operating under the assumption Strasburg will need Tommy John surgery to repair a "significant" tear in his UCL, Rizzo said.

The Nationals began digesting the news Strasburg might need the major surgery Monday, after an MRI exam showed potential signs of the torn ligament. Their fears were realized Thursday afternoon, after eam doctor Wiemi Douoguih administered an arthrogram, an enhanced MRI exam in which dye is shot into the specified area.

The Nationals informed Strasburg yesterday, but he wanted to delay the announcement of his impending likely surgery so as not to spoil first overall pick Bryce Harper's introductory press conference. Rizzo spoke with Strasburg late last night.


"He turned from being upset to being really focused and ready to take on this new thing on his life," Rizzo said. "We've had successful ones in the past, and we feel this is going to be no different. Stephen is going to be a dedicated, focused individual."

Tommy John surgery requires a grueling, 12-to-18 month rehab, but the success rate for pitchers returning to full strength and capability is roughly 90 percent. While the surgery will rob Strasburg of most if not all of next season, the chances he will be able to continue his career as a flame-throwing strikeout artist are strong.

Nine pitchers who underwent Tommy John surgery were selected for the 2010 All-Star Game: Chris Carpenter, Tim Hudson, Josh Johnson, Arthur Rhodes, Brian Wilson, Joakim Soria, Hong-Chih Kuo, Rafael Soriano and Billy Wagner. Potential National League rookie of the Jamie Garcia also had the operation.

On Thursday night, Zimmermann returned from his recovery from Tommy John surgery and faced Carpenter, who endured the operation and rehab in 2007 and 2008 and finished second in National League Cy Young voting in 2009.

"Frustrated, disappointed," Kasten said. "It's easier for us today than it was Monday. I think for all of our fans and for his teammates, it will be easier in a couple days than it might be today."

The Nationals tried to proceed with caution in every way they could, limiting Strasburg's pitches and innings during his two-month stay in the minor leagues and when he arrived in the majors. Strasburg never threw more than seven innings or threw more than 99 pitches in any one start. Between the minors and majors, Strasburg threw 123 1/3 innings.

"It's frustrating, because this happens to people you think it shouldn't happen to," Rizzo said. "This player was developed and cared for the correct way. Things like this happen. Pitchers break down. Pitchers get hurt. We're satisfied with the way he was developed. I know [Strasburg's agent] Scott Boras was satisfied with the way he's been treated, and Stephen is also. We're good with that. Frustrated, yes. Second-guessing ourselves, no."

Strasburg finishes his first year in the majors with a 5-3 record, a 2.91 ERA, 17 walks and 92 strikeouts in 68 innings, giving him the highest strikeout rate per nine innings -- 12.2 -- of any starting pitcher in the majors.

The first sign Strasburg would need the major surgery on his elbow came Saturday in Philadelphia, in the middle of one of his best starts this season. He threw a 1-1 changeup in the fifth inning to Phillies outfielder Domonic Brown, then grimaced and reached for his elbow. He believed he could pitch through the sudden tightness he felt, but the Nationals yanked him the game. In the dugout, pitching coach Steve McCatty slammed shut the small metal door covering the bullpen phone.

Strasburg also experienced inflammation in his right shoulder, which caused the Nationals to scratch him front a start in late July and place him on the disabled list for the first time. Strasburg made only three more starts before pain shot through his one-in-a-million right arm again.

But Strasburg still succumbed to the same fate as Zimmermann, another young right-hander the Nationals project as a frontline starter. Zimmermann required Tommy John surgery last August after his elbow broke down in late July before he reached 100 major league innings. Zimmermann returned to the majors Thursday night, 399 days after he underwent surgery and almost exactly 13 months since his last major league appearance.

"This is tough news for a kid with his kind of nature and his kind of expectations that he puts on himself," Kasten said. "He's a high-achievement orientated person."

By Adam Kilgore  |  August 27, 2010; 10:32 AM ET
 
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Comments

Aaauuuuuuuuuughhhhhh......

Posted by: AtomicOvermind | August 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

figures. f-star-star-star.

Posted by: Section406 | August 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Just. Damn. Sad.

Posted by: joemktg1 | August 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ditto

Posted by: ramgut | August 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

We are cursed as a sports town why did I not grow up in Boston or New York. SO tired of this crap.

Posted by: mriordan123 | August 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

:(

Posted by: cassander | August 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's face it. We are forever doomed for whenever the franchise does do something right, the medical gods intervene.

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | August 27, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

God bless you Stephen, here's to a successful and speedy recovery. And now to drown our collective sorrows with Kool-Aid. Goooooooo Nats. This is a serious gut punch, but I'm sure it even worse for Stephen. 2012 can't get here soon enough.

Posted by: jfromPG | August 27, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Done as a starter - will make a hell of a closer after he comes back.

Posted by: bendersx6 | August 27, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

So what the heck does "probably" needs surgery mean? Are they getting a second opinion or something? When?

Posted by: lmf-DC | August 27, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

So who has come back from it? Josh Johnson, Tim Hudson,,,,

Posted by: jfromPG | August 27, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Cr*p. Sigh.

As jfromPC notes, best wishes to Stephen as far as treatment and recovery.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 27, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What say you now, Rob Dibble? Suck it up?

Oh yeah -- kiss my ***

Posted by: gonatsgo1 | August 27, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Now they definitely won't sign Dunn for sure since our competitive time line just got pushed back a year or two.

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | August 27, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

That's what the Nats get for underusing him and not allowing him normal pitching!

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 27, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The human body is not built for constant abuse. This result is not surprising.

Posted by: sufi66 | August 27, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

This just in - they're going to graft Rob Dibble's vocal cords onto Strasburg's Ulnar Collateral Ligament.
"We feel the strength and durability of Rob's voicebox, plus its uncanny ability to tolerate a foot, should greatly enhance Stephen's arm strength upon his return."

Posted by: Section406 | August 27, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

We should rename our rotation the Tommy John's

Posted by: GoNatsTerps | August 27, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

For the glass half full perspective: better now than in 2013 when they might be good.

Posted by: sjt1455 | August 27, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I'm speechless and I feel like I'm going to throw up.

Posted by: Section505203 | August 27, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Times like this, the only solace I have is that I'm not an LA Clippers fan.

Waiting for news that Bryce Harper's arm just fell off. Doesn't matter which one.

Posted by: TheGJ | August 27, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Unfreakinbelievable.

Posted by: mjwies11 | August 27, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Posted by: wahoo2x | August 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Fu** thats sucks.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Hardly shocking. The clueless Nats brain trust rushed him up here, as I've said all along, then mismanaged his pitching and their coaches couldn't tell he was doing something wrong.

It's funny how several pitching coaches on other teams noticed odd things about his mechanics, but the Nats coaches couldn't. Or maybe they did and that gasbag Kasten ignored the warnings.

Either way, another failure for this train wreck of a franchise that should have never left Montreal.

Posted by: jollyroger2 | August 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Typical Nats luck - a phenom who lives up to the billing and now is done for at least a year or longer. Hope Stephen takes his time in recovery and will be back for 2012.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 27, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm sick. I was hoping against hope that it really was just inflammation and not a tear. But pitchers DO come back from this (witness Jordan Zimmermann just last night), and I believe Stephen will too. Best of luck to him in his rehab.

Posted by: wocoliz | August 27, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Alright, so now we just have to wait until 2012 for SS to return and BH to appear, and then everything will be OK. Until the Mayan calendar prediction of the end of the world kicks in that December.

Posted by: justmike | August 27, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

AAAArrrrggggg!

Posted by: summerandwinter | August 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Can Stephen Strasburg hit the ball?

Posted by: bs2004 | August 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

F*cking Lerners better spend a sh*t ton of money this Winter or we'll be counting Nats fans at the Park without having to take our shoes off.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh. No.

Posted by: NatsLuver | August 27, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

We are cursed as a sports town why did I not grow up in Boston or New York. SO tired of this crap.

Posted by: mriordan123
* * *
And it's all about you, isn't it? Feel free to move to the above-named cities anytime you like; I'm pretty sure we won't miss you.

Posted by: 7900rmc | August 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

So sad; deflating for Strasburg. I pray for his full recovery both mentally and physically. Disappointing for the young man. I hope he doesn't feel that he did anything to let down the fans, the city, or the team. It's pro sports. Injuries happen. We fall down at times, but we often get the chance to persevere and prove ourselves again. That's one of the beauties of sports.

Posted by: rone1 | August 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Yes! More 62-99 baseball in DC...at least we get to further stock-up our minor leagues...sad.

Posted by: jro1 | August 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Just double-checked the calendar hoping it was April 1st and this was a bad joke. Guess not. Unbelievable. If this franchise (Expos and Nats years) didn't have bad luck, they would have no luck at all. I'm going to go throw up now.

Posted by: slopitchtom | August 27, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

That is sad news indeed.

Posted by: austinrl | August 27, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

This just in - they're going to graft Rob Dibble's vocal cords onto Strasburg's Ulnar Collateral Ligament.
"We feel the strength and durability of Rob's voicebox, plus its uncanny ability to tolerate a foot, should greatly enhance Stephen's arm strength upon his return."

Posted by: Section406

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Thanks, 406, for giving me a bit of a chuckle. Certainly did need one...it helps quell the sick sinking feeling that I think we've all got right now...

Posted by: HenryStin | August 27, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

This is really a shame. I hope he comes back stronger than ever.

Posted by: skrut003 | August 27, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Should have traded him for Oswalt when we had the chance.

Posted by: logan9 | August 27, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

U.F.B.

Posted by: fengraf | August 27, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Will this affect Little Lord Fauntleroy's July 2011 induction into the Hall of Fame?

I feel so smart for predicting this punk would never be any more than the answer to an obscure trivia question.

Scott Boras and this delicate little pansy have their money. That's all that matters...

Posted by: potestas227 | August 27, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

how many pitchers these days don't have tommy john surgery? was it octavio dotel that had this surgery as an elective decision before anything had even gone wrong? the recovery rate from this is now like 85% at least. pre-emptive tommy johns for everyone! its crazy.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | August 27, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Juan-John1 | August 27, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Damn. That is jacked up.

Posted by: keithrjackson | August 27, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

OMG...well I'm glad I got to see him pitch in two games anyway. I have a feeling that he might come back as an absolutely awesome closer and if the Nats can just get in a position where they need a closer by 2012 (you know, ahead in the 8th inning), we're there, man.

Go Nats and good luck strasburg

p.s., will all those jerseys start showing up on ebay now?

Posted by: AHappyWarrior | August 27, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

DC sports can't catch a freakin' break.

Posted by: sknyluv | August 27, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

p227, let me be the first to say that yours is one of the most assinine comments I have ever seen on any subject.

Posted by: justmike | August 27, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

We'll always have June 8, 2010. Ack.

Posted by: gonatsgo1 | August 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

On a beautiful friday after a gutty xtra inning win - a bad day in NatsTown indeed. and yes, we all knew next year wasn't likely to be quite their year yet, but this pretty well seals that deal.

Posted by: DCguy7 | August 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Re. Dibble,* hindsight is 20-20. He didn't have this information at the time, and he wasn't the only one who came down on the side of an old school-type pitching mindset with either this injury or the shoulder. Not that I agree with him, but imho he's entitled to his opinion, as are each of us. It's not like the team is basing personnel decisions on his opinion. Or those of bloggers. Or those of lowly commenters like myself. (And thank goodness for that.) I do wonder whether the team knew the extent of the injury before this, though, and may have asked Dibble to take the nights off in that context.)

*Though he is a public figure and no doubt can fend for himself, I keep feeling compelled to stand up for the man given the bashing he's been taking around the blogosphere. I'm just not a fan of ad hominem attacks or of piling on to someone. If you don't like him, hit the mute button and listen to the radio broadcast. And can we not be civil in our disagreements? (Yeah, I know - it's the Internetz. Lost cause. Whatever.)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

potestas227 - you are very smart. now there are two people in the world who think so.

Posted by: mojo6 | August 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Man that's terrible news, but better to get the surgery now and let him start working for the future. Strasburg is a very determined competitor. He'll throw himself into his rehab the way Zimmermann did and be back on the mound as quickly as possible.

Posted by: js_edit | August 27, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Good luck Stephen. Screw you Dibble.

Posted by: thegraneys | August 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe some of the ignorant comments on this blog. Strasburg is a "pansy?" Why, because his arm broke down? That's jealousy, pure and simple. So, the point is, he is supposed to pitch with a torn tendon in his arm to show he's tough like Rob Dibble? Dibble is the biggest nitwit in Washington--and that's saying a lot.

As for the Nats rushing him, that's ridiculous. Lots of pitchers get hurt in the minors as well. There is no reason to think he was rushed. IT JUST HAPPENS.

Posted by: Bravesfan1 | August 27, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Not that I was ever on Strasburg's level as a pitcher, but we never had pitch counts or were babied like today's pitchers. And they all have arm problems. Pros, College kids, and too many high school kids that I know of all have had TJ surgery. The Nats did everything right, so they thought, and still have issues. I think some new methods are in order.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | August 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Truly sad to see him hurt. Strasburg still has great promise; don't write him off yet, even as a #1 or #2 starter.

Above posters have listed Jordan Zimmermann, Josh Johnson, Tim Hudson, Billy Wagner, and more (Garcia of STL comes to mind, too) who have recovered and pitched well after the surgery. Youngsters can ovecome this better than older pitchers. The kid is smart, and even if he loses a few miles off his fastball or the curve doesn't break as sharp, he has themental capacity to learn how to pitch. God bless and speedy recovery, Stephen. NatsNation will be waiting for you to return in 2012.

Posted by: ITBConservative | August 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

We treat these kids like hothouse flowers and then we're surprised that they have the same endurance as hothouse flowers.

I wonder if this would have happened if the kid had been allowed just to go out and throw, the way they did for Cy Young and Walter Johnson and Carl Hubbell and Dizzy Dean and Bob Feller and Warren Spahn and Whitey Ford and Nolan Ryan and so many hundreds of others over the years.

In my lifetime we have gone from starters pitching one in three days, then one in four days, now one in five days. We have gone from complete games being the norm to being rarities that earn headlines when they occur.

But pitching careers often spanned twenty years and more in those days. Are our kids of today so much weaker now than they were back then? Have we become as a species so much more fragile?

Somehow I think we're doing things a little bit wrong. Even in Roman times they knew that if you pampered men their endurance would atrophy.

This is just a horrible day for the Nats, the worst in our franchise history so far, a history that has already seen more misfortune in its brief five years of existence than other teams see in a quarter-century. It is so strange that this terrible news should come as the pitcher who prior to Strasburg was our most promising young starter returned to the lineup after undergoing a similar procedure.

It's just demoralizing. Get well quick, kid!

Posted by: flatworm | August 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Rookie phenom Stephen Strasburg will "probably" miss at least one year and perhaps the entire 2011 baseball season after undergoing Tommy John surgery to replace the ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow, General Manager Mike Rizzo said.
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Well, now I'm confused, did he or not have the surgery? It says he did, but then it says he will get a 2nd opinion.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | August 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

what a shame, the Nats will be waiting when he is ready.................
So long Adam, we will miss you too.

Posted by: RepubRedskin | August 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

YOU got to be f-ing kidding me, only in DC

Posted by: rjwolf | August 27, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Two people who will not be working Nats games next season - Stras and Dibble. Dibs must be toast now - unless that sh*tbag Angelos and his sh*tbag son insist that he stays on their sh*tbag "network".

Posted by: Kev29 | August 27, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Dibble better apologize when he gets back from his two-game suspension I meant vacation. What a heart breaker! JZ comes back, SS goes down. Another year of waiting for the next year. Get healthy Strazzy and come back to us better than ever!!

Posted by: MaxnDC | August 27, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Just dumbfounded and sick to my stomach over this. How utterly deflating. Just as 2010 is unraveling into a horrid abyss similar to 2009/08 we get this steaming pile of dog crap dumped in front of us. Being a fan of this team is a grueling, nightmarish waste of time.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | August 27, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

A pitcher who pitches in a different motion, and has a faster fastball than anyone else.

A pitcher who breaks down midway through his first season.

I see a connection here. I don't think he'll ever be the same again.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 27, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that is a gut punch. However, 90% is a pretty good success rate for Tommy John surgery. Like Jordan, you know he will put in the work that needs to be done to fully recover. I wish him the best. He will be back.

Posted by: jerrypeggyh | August 27, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm not quite sure that the few of you on here blaming this on the Lerners and management are being tongue in cheek or simply don't get it.
Everything has been done by the most conservative book available, and yet this is still the end result. This is why you don't pay pitcher from the draft $50 million, because they break. Godspeed to Strasburg and man, our luck is just effin terrible.

Posted by: bouncinggorilla | August 27, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I knew it as soon as it happened. All you so called "sensible" people who think there is no such thing as a curse, are out of your minds. Bryce Harper. You are next. Sorry, kid. This is DC sports, and has been, for over 100 years.

Posted by: lp_lodestar | August 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

it's too bad, he really was exciting to watch--and hopefully will return....however, he's not the whole team. in the beginning of the season, the nats were doing well without him-he's not the reason we're inconsistent. i still have hope for the nats, and will continue buying season tickets--GO NATS!

Posted by: earthling | August 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Of COURSE Strasburg would need TJ surgery. This is the snakebitten NATS we're talking about, right?

Sigh....

Posted by: Juan-John1 | August 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh, boy. It's not an endurance or pandering issue. It's a replacement of a freaking ligament.

Back in "those days" nobody knew what TJ surgery was, and a bunch of anonymous pitchers no one has ever heard of had "dead arm" or whatever else someone wanted to call it and never pitched again.

Posted by: Section220 | August 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Bye bye.

Posted by: rpcv84 | August 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Bummer for the player and the franchise. We've improved our seat location every year and if the negative nabobs and impatient want to abandon ship, so be it. Just sad to see folks irrationally turn on the player.

Posted by: McKinley2 | August 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The Nats should just make tickets free for the 2011 season because the attendance is going to take a beating! So they should just start promoting Strasburg and Bryce Harper together as the beginning of a new era for the 2012 season!!!

Posted by: S-Doug | August 27, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

We're cursed.

Posted by: impeachemall | August 27, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

We've been warned. Boswell for one cautioned us of the dangers of selecting a pitcher as the first overall pick. It is very unpredictable. Harper will be a stud for years... almost guaranteed, but as a pitcher, you never know. I have no doubt that he will recover from this surgery, but we won't know what kind of a pitcher he will be on the other side.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | August 27, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This surgery, if it is in fact done, has a high success rate and has been improved upon over the years. By the way Mariano Rivera underwent this procedure & I THINK he became a pretty good closer.

Posted by: RaymondOConnor | August 27, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

two words. Chris Carpenter.

Posted by: wjskinner1 | August 27, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse


Talk about a kick in the gut. He might come back as good as new in a couple years, but odds are he won't.

Posted by: tgif11 | August 27, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Home grown young Nats pitchers with serious injuries:

Strasburg
Patterson
Hill
Cordero
Detwiler
Zimmermann

This rate is way too high. Almost every top-drawer prospect/rookie. Something's wrong. I don't know what, but something's wrong.

Posted by: Meridian1 | August 27, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Nationals to Tower: We've, ah, got an emergency. We've had a flameout on the mound. We're going to have to land in the Potomac.

Tower to Nationals: Hahahaha. No way. Just crash and burn like you're used to.

Posted by: oldiesfan1 | August 27, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Yikes. Kerry Wood night sweats.

Posted by: ChuckFi | August 27, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Section 406 - that was the first time I laughed since reading the news!

But I'll be silently screaming all day.

ARGHGHGHGHGHGH!

Posted by: Section416akatheAlps | August 27, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Heck, any more pitchers the Nats acquire should head straight to the Tommy John center and have surgery. Get 'er done!

Posted by: richs91 | August 27, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

No, you are right, this has nothing to do with Lerner, Rizzo, "coddling" by Riggs or anything else. The Nats took every precaution with SS, exactly as they should have, and SS still breaks down. Just very unlucky, that's all.

Posted by: EdDC | August 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The nasty comments on this thread are pretty disgusting. Let's just wish Stephen a successsful surgery and a speedy recovery and rehab. He's young and strong so that is all in his favor! Get well soon Stras!

Posted by: spinstercity | August 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The Nats did everything right with this kid. They let him play in the minors, when the brought him up they put him on a strict pitch count and they didn't let him pitch when they thought something was wrong with his arm. It was just meant to be, folks. No sense in blaming the Nationals. And everybody can just stop all the "next Roger Clemons" talk, okay?

Posted by: tgif11 | August 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Not to blame the Nationals. Seriously. I think everybody teaches pitchers new pitches, particularly offspeed stuff.

But . . . did the injury occur when the threw the changeup--or was it there and it became evident on the changeup? I understand he didn't throw a changeup until the Nationals taught it to him in the minors. Did he really need to learn one? Is it foreseeable that teaching a young pitcher to throw one--teaching him to throw a new pitch involving a tighter grip on the ball--can lead to an injury?

Posted by: BPupp | August 27, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

This team is going to SUCK for a very long time... No offense, awful fielding and a terrible bullpen. Baseball was a mistake in the town... Should've built that stadium in Northen Virginia like they suggested..

Posted by: DCNative75 | August 27, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Memo to Rob Dibble: The words you're searching for are: "I'm sorry; I didn't know what I was talking about, and I apologize to the kid."

Posted by: Gunga2009 | August 27, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Well does this mean hello "Denny Mclain trade" for baseabl in DC ?

Do we get to pay extra to be teased all of 2011...... "just wait until"

New Ers ...Same Result

Posted by: CBinDC1 | August 27, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Braves fan here, terrible news for the Nats. On a good note Tim Hudson had the same done and look at him. Hang in there.

Posted by: wareagle3 | August 27, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

This Blows! Will they even be watchable next year

Posted by: MicheleS2 | August 27, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow. This is unbelievable. It does seem pitchers are more fragile than ever, and yet more and more the promising ones are nursed with strict pitch counts and limitations from Little League onward. What is going on here?

Washington does seem cursed, at least since 1-26-92. What's next -- Ovechkin out for the season? Wall bringing live hand grenades into the locker room?

Posted by: scrappledog | August 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Should've built that stadium in Northen Virginia like they suggested.

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I agree.

Posted by: richs91 | August 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It'll probably take even longer than normal for him to come back because they're going to have to fix his delivery and get more clearance with his arm, or he'll continue to injure it. You just can't throw that hard with your arm pinned against your ear and not damage it.

Posted by: Brue | August 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

This surgery, if it is in fact done, has a high success rate and has been improved upon over the years. By the way Mariano Rivera underwent this procedure & I THINK he became a pretty good closer.

Posted by: RaymondOConnor | August 27, 2010 11:13 AM
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Rivera never had the surgery.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | August 27, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

typical.

D.C. area pro sports!!! Gotta love it!!!

Posted by: SadieV | August 27, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion, young Mr. Strasburg became consumed by the unconscionable media hype that strongly suggested he was likely to throw a perfect game with 18 strikeouts everytime he took the mound. There are many villains here, first and foremost being ESPN. It is also clear that the Nationals' management failed miserably in counseling moderation to their erstwhile prodigy before, alas, he threw his arm out in record time.

Posted by: zephyr99 | August 27, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This is worse than you all think. 12 to 18 months of rehab.. it's almost September. No way does Stephen "hurry back" in just 12 months from now. We'll see him in the spring of 2012 but his confidence will be shaky. This is a devastating injury. Hope his second opinion proves that the first opinion is wrong. Otherwise pray for him and his recovery.

Posted by: RedCherokee | August 27, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Section 406 wins Comment of the Week for the recommendation of grafting Rob Dibbles' vocal cords into Strasburg's elbow.

Yep, we're cursed. And there isn't even a piano buried at the bottom of some pond that we can raise to erase the curse.

At least we got to see the Nats win an extra inning game last night.

Time for the Lerners to go big in the free agent market for pitchers. But this time, please give the pitcher an thorough physical evaluation before you offer a contract. We don't need no more Marquis.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | August 27, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, wareagle3 - classy comment! Tim ain't no slouch!

Posted by: Section416akatheAlps | August 27, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

First off, there are some really stupid people posting here today. Anybody who thinks they knew this was going to happen doesn't know jack...

Second, forget "curses," it's baseball. It happens. A lot. As Adam tried to point out (and some of you were too stupid to comprehend), most guys come back as strong as ever from Tommy John surgery these days. Look at Chris Carpenter and Josh Johnson. Jordan Zimmermann's back now, exactly one year later.

Strasburg will be 23, almost 24, when he returns, more than young enough to have a long and successful career. Frankly, this would also give them time to reevaluate and change his pitching motion, if they think that's a source of his problem.

Yes, this stinks for him, and it sucks we won't see him pitch for a year but he's smart, tough and competitive, the kind of guy who will probably do a great job of rehabbing. I'm very optimistic he'll come back.

The key for us as fans is what happens in the meantime. Note this quote from Boz's column this morning: "The team's future "is not a dream," Nats President Stan Kasten said. 'And it won't [arrive in] '12. It's next year.'"

Really, Stan? Prove it. You now need a top of the rotation starter. You either need to re-sign Dunn or replace him at first base and at clean up. You might need a new leadoff man. You need a quality veteran to back up Desmond and Espinosa if they're your middle infield. You need at least two new bats to fit into your OF rotation, to replace Willie Harris and to take some of the strain off Josh Willingham.

Yes, you have some shiny new prospects coming along. But we're getting a painful lesson in what can happen to prospects along the way. We may get lucky and still get some value from J. Zimm and Strasburg. But if you really want to win, you need more talent that what we're getting from the farm. You need a cushion to absorb blows like this. So, back up your talk with some more action, Stan. We'll be watching.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 27, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder what baseball would be like without TJ surgery. If there wasn't the fallback to "rebuild" a pitcher this way, how different would the game be? What would the strategies be that it would take to win?
Good luck to #37, hopefully he will be back soon and in fine form.
In the meantime, think of how it may be possible for pitchers like Livan, Lannan, Jordan Z, et al to come back to form and get the wins. Let's face it, one super pitcher only gets you about 20 wins a year if they're essentially unbeatable. When you have a pitcher who may be great, but can only pitch 5-6 innings, you either need a lot of rain to shorten the games or you need a great bullpen and hitters. The Strasburg difference for the Nats this year and even next would be a lot more about "buzz", filling seats, and selling shirts than it would be about a percentage difference in wins. It takes the rest of the team and that's still where we'll need to look for the real changes in winning.

Posted by: blankspace | August 27, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious what percentage of major league pitchers end up having this surgery. Anyone have that number? Sure, you can name a lot of names of pitchers who have, but I'm guessing the vast majority do not, especially just starting out. So maybe this should not be trvialized as a "normal" occurrence that pitchers deal with, as people seem to be doing here. I took flak for saying this before, but I still hope when he's back they will take a good look at his delivery and mechanics and see if there's something they can do to protect his arm.

Posted by: ralphwilliams1 | August 27, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Relax. Straspocalypse is better than being killed by a home intruder, ODing on coke, or having his leg broken horrifically on national TV. By DC sports standards this is nothing.

Posted by: buckwheaton1 | August 27, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Sweet Jebus. I wonder why I still follow base-ball. I've put up with the Cubs, the Orioles, and now the Nats.

Note to management: Keep Riggleman's hands off of pitchers. First Kerry Wood, now Strasburg.

Posted by: Meepo | August 27, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Baseball is for losers.

Posted by: kenk3 | August 27, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Now we know why Dibble went on a two-day vacation.

Posted by: CapsNut | August 27, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Josh Johnson has comeback and is a dominant pitcher after having the TJ surgery at a relatively young age. In fact, he's more dominant than before the injury. I hope that the Nats braintrust including their pitching coaches examine his mechanics closely during rehab to see if that makes him more susceptible to injury. More than mone major league pitching coach had predicted this would happen. I just hope that Stephen takes his time recovering and realizes that getting back by next September isn't the goal for his career or the Nats future.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 27, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, from a very recent Oakland Post article on the state of Tommy John surgery:

"As the pennant races heat up, more and more pitchers are showing that there is life after Tommy John. Hudson, Liriano, Florida's Josh Johnson, Atlanta's Billy Wagner and St. Louis Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter are among the many coming back from the surgery almost as good as they've ever been[.]

...

It's even working for power pitchers. Rays closer Rafael Soriano's fastball is still in the mid-90s, Johnson is hitting 96 regularly and Liriano's superb slider is biting again."

Posted by: BPupp | August 27, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So much for that DI*DO Dibble. He should be suspended for talking out of his a**.

This just stinks. Good luck Stephen!

Posted by: VaBroker | August 27, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

OMG. Sick & gut wretching to fans. Can't imagine how Steven is feeling. Need you back man. Need you back.

Posted by: lesizmore | August 27, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

So I guess it's time for all the "every 5 day" fans to either sit down and shut up or dig in and support the team like REAL fans.

I want baseball in DC, and I'll take a scrappy team with some heart(and if the Nats have nothing else, they have heart) rather than no team at all.

GO NATS!!!

Posted by: EKruse | August 27, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see a lot of intelligent comments on here. One thing that strikes me as a fan of both team sports and horse racing is the seeming correlation between pitchers and thoroughbreds in recent years. They both seem to be treated with kid gloves much more than in the past, and yet they both seem to be more fragile than ever.

Posted by: justmike | August 27, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

This is baseball folks. Strasberg will come back. As for next year, Marquis should be okay, Zimmermann will be good, Deitweiler should be back in form, and this guy Milone might make the grade. Full seasons for Bernadina and Desmond. Depending on what done for Dunn, Marrero might be playing and don't forget Ramos and Norris. Having the team in Northern Va, will make you feel better about things DC Native? Strange.

Sec 204 Row H Seat 7

Posted by: adhardwick | August 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

As a baseball fan, specifically The Tampa Bay Rays, I am saddened by hearing this news. Strasburg is in part what will keep fans coming to watch baseball. I have paid close attention to how the Rays have handled their young pitchers. None of them have been rushed to the majors. Pitch counts and innings are watched closely. I am not saying the Nats did anything wrong. However, when a pitcher is constantly throwing his fastball 98 to 100 mph on every pitch, sooner or later something is going to give. Here is hoping for a full and speedy recovery.

Posted by: RockStorm_Radio | August 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

all you people that say we're cursed are f'ing losers. sh*t happens. you work through it.

Posted by: chillsonic | August 27, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

To add to the list of pitchers who have successfully come back from Tommy John surgery, let's not forget Tommy John.

Posted by: EdDC | August 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Baseball is for losers.

Posted by: kenk3 | August 27, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So funny because it is true

Posted by: CBT2 | August 27, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Does it suck?...Yes
Is SS cooked?...probably not

I think folks, while understandably upset, are getting all gloom and doom. There are a number of pitchers who have come back successfully from TJ surgery, including the guy who pitched against the Nats last night. JZimm looked rusty, but didn't have any pain (at least I don't recall hearing anything).
SS will get the surgery, do his rehab and most likely will take his place in the starting rotation in 2012.

Posted by: TimDz | August 27, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I get all the positive outlooks... I do... my rational side says that he'll be back and 2012 will be better with SS and JZim as 1 and 2 starters but my irrational angry side says "that's what we've been saying for 2011!!" Now 2011 is a forgotten year before it starts. Why spend big on FAs when you know you're not trying to compete without your ace? 2012 might be the new landmark year but here we are again poised to trudge through another season of barely watchable baseball. It just makes me sick.

That said... good luck in recovery Stras. We'll miss you next season.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | August 27, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I just called the post office to ask them to lower their flags to half mast over Strasburg, and they said they can't do that because Strasburg never delivered.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 27, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This is the worst news the Nats and Strasburg could have received.
This probably started back in college. Believe I read an article that after the game he was taken out because of his elbow he said this happened a couple of times in college.
Feel bad for all associated with the Nats and Strasburg - really enjoyed watching him pitch.
Take care and return healthy.

Posted by: mrcox54 | August 27, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

This might actually mean that Strasburg and Harper get to play a significant season together. Unf. Strasburg may never be the Ace he was supposed to be. Still, a 2nd or 3rd starter ain't bad to have, esp if he's still got a few stellar nights now and then.

Posted by: NovaMike | August 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Two more points:

No. 1, This is the danger of hyping young pitchers. Get back to me when they're in a successful Year 5.

No. 2, please stop talking about the chance of Strasburg becoming a great closer. Closers are perhaps the most overrated position in all of sports.

Posted by: scrappledog | August 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

My first thoughts when I read this were. Will the sun ever shine on Washington baseball? It hasn't for my father except for like two years back in the 20's. He just had his 95th. birthday. And why don't lousy pitchers ever need this surgery? Only the good ones do.

Posted by: pstotts15 | August 27, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

WAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Everyone can quit crying. Did you not see that the success rate is 90%? He'll be fine. Actually, he'll be a better pitcher after it.

Look at the list of pitchers who have returned from the same thing. Not a bad list IMO.

Hey, if the Nats want to get rid of him, I'm sure the Yankees will take him!

Posted by: jwash4472 | August 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

It seemed almost likely that we were headed here as soon as you saw his reaction when it happened. This is a serious kid, and the look on his face told you something major had happened in there-- then when we learned it was inside the flexor tendon area, I thought it was almost inevitable we would learn it was torn. As for Dibble, it's too bad it's come to this. When he was with Dan Patrick on a talk show a few years back, he was funny, smart, and not that provocative. Now he's become the master of self-immolation.

Posted by: JoeTink | August 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, but I told you so. From the first time I saw him pitch, "I said, this guy's arm won't hold up." You can tell by the whip motion of his delivery. Too much torque on the elbow, more than the shoulder, and not enough from the legs, rear and back. Look at Seaver, Ryan, Carlton, that's how they did it so long. Power pitchers can't rely on the arm that much.
Strasburg should come back fine in 2012. But it won't last long if he doesn't change his delivery. I hope he has a long career, but I didn't think so last year and I don't think so now unless he makes a big change. good luck, young man.

Posted by: MattinPhilly | August 27, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This guy is looking more like Kerry Wood and Mark Prior everyday.

Just call us Cubs East.

Posted by: tifoso1 | August 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

spilt milk, my friends, spilt milk


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Posted by: CBT2 | August 27, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you get a team that justly belongs in another city.

Ceci est ce qu'arrive quand vous obtenez une équipe qui appartient justement dans une autre ville

Posted by: JerryParks | August 27, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Gilbert's knees, Strasburgh's arm....I hope Wall is not next fo the Lez Boulez curse...

Posted by: nowhine | August 27, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

So I guess it's time for all the "every 5 day" fans to either sit down and shut up or dig in and support the team like REAL fans.

I want baseball in DC, and I'll take a scrappy team with some heart(and if the Nats have nothing else, they have heart) rather than no team at all.

Posted by: EKruse | August 27, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No, to me THIS is the post of the day! I wish good luck to Stephen, but our team is not the Washington Strasburgs. He'll come back from surgery and rehab just fine.

Last night we pitched Zimmermann, his first MLB start after TJ surgery. It almost sounds like haveing TJ surgery is a rite of passage these days.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | August 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

@scrappledog

So you're saying that Mariano Rivera is overrated? Are you even a baseball fan?

The best closer to ever play the game that pitches more than one inning still at the age of 40.

Posted by: jwash4472 | August 27, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

But if you really want to win, you need more talent that what we're getting from the farm. You need a cushion to absorb blows like this. So, back up your talk with some more action, Stan. We'll be watching.

Posted by: baltova1 | August 27, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

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good post, baltova.

Posted by: DCguy7 | August 27, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Christ almighty. Truly a shame. First Kerry Wood, then Mark Pryor, now Strausburg.

Ugh.

Posted by: dcp26851 | August 27, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"Re. Dibble,* hindsight is 20-20. He didn't have this information at the time, and he wasn't the only one who came down on the side of an old school-type pitching mindset with either this injury or the shoulder..."

The problem with this argument natsfan1a is that your wonderful Mr. Dibble claimed that it was the bloggers who "never played, and never seen the MRI or medical opinions" who were opining against his reprehensible statements. Yes, reprehensible.

Defending him makes me wonder ...

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm just stunned. I believed all along the injury was more significant than the Nats wanted people to believe and that in the end he'd be shut down for the season. But this, I'm just stunned and so saddened.

This is why there is a baseball saying that you never have enough pitching.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | August 27, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I think a lot of the reason for the gloom-n-doom is that we've never seen it any other way.

After Patterson and Hill and Zimmermann (too young-jury's still out, but the injury was real), Cordero, etc. lost to injury in the Bigs, and Detweiler and Smoker and Gibson and McGeary still in the minors and not progressing quickly, (and the non-signing of Aaron Crow) we've NEVER seen a young pitcher develop his potential.

The greatest success to-date has been John Lannan who, while I like the guy a lot, is a #3 starter at best. Storen is the closest we've seen, and he's a rookie reliever (not a knock on him, just that we don't know yet). So why should we trust that this guy is different from all the others that haven't panned out so far?

I'm all for hope and optimism, but the track record with this team doesn't encourage it.

And hear, hear! baltova1. Get some free agents (bopper in the outfield, front-line starter, backup middle-infield) just to show you're not going to roll the dice with prospects for a decade waiting for "the pipeline" of healthy, talented, young, durable, miracle players.

Posted by: bk003h | August 27, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Forget the "mute" button ... let us hope Mr. Dibble has seen his last days as a Nats color man, announcer or radio personality. There will be enough negativity as it is.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-although I don't actually "see' many of the "regular" gang here. Yet. As is often the case, I'm with you, baltova.... time for the Slows to make the proverbial lemonade. Time for the players to start walking the walk, too. And even though it would come at the expense of my "former" favorite team-the Cards-let's see at LEAST 3 wins.
Ya know, I don't find any faults here-or curse. It's the nature of the modern game-who knows why it happened? Have faith, Gang!
Mr Insanity (me!) is STILL sayin' will be playing for the post-season next year!
GO NATS!!!

Posted by: zendo | August 27, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The irony here is that "protecting" him and other athletes can often lead to injury such as this.

He figured he was so well rested, he could let every pitch rip.

If he "knew" that he, ultimately, was responsible for his arm.... then maybe he would have protected it.

A fascinating topic that has "helped" and "hurt" just about an equal number of premier athletes.

Posted by: docwhocuts | August 27, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, the license to lose gets a renewal.

Now the club can say that the lack of Stras makes them economically unready to get a payroll on par with their market size -- adios Adam Dunn -- and the lack of Stras's big talent makes them not yet ready to even try to ocmplete in the loaded NL East (did I say adios Adam Dunn yet?). They will continue to "build it the right way" in preparation for when Stras comes back in 2012 (translation -- lose a whole Hell of a lot and keep selling us a bill of goods on the great value of the farm system which will SOMEDAY produce an every year winner for the fans).

And Rizzo can and should be second guessed here -- they could have sent the kid direct to MLB and had him throw the bulk of his innings in the bigs where he was clearly ready to be from day 1 anyway. But they avoided the Super 2 problem to save money down the road (not a bad move per se but they chose saving money over trying to win). The Reds sent Leake direct to the bigs and the kid was brilliant for the entire first half, they may shut him down now but they got MLB wins and great innings from him where they actually count. Add another 10 W's to the Nats record for Stras, the excitement of him being the Opening Day starter, big crowds, a little luck here or there and the team MIGHT have been in the Wild Card hunt at the break -- instead they were out of it by the end of May.

Posted by: dfh21 | August 27, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

The Nats are going nowhere fast. But it is better than being an Oriole fan..........

Posted by: poguesmahone | August 27, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Lots of comments about the sky falling in Nats Town. To summarize - Strasburg is legit, he'll most likely return as good as new, but won't be available until 2012. Where does that leave Nats Town? Still rooting for the home nine. We just won a compelling game in extra innings last night, and we've got some more young players on the way. We can't replace Strasburg, but we've struggled with him on the roster for the past couple months. Being a baseball fan requires patience over the long grind. Let's see what our stable of pitching prospects and reclamation projects can do now. I still think team hitting and defense are what's keeping the Nats from being competitive.

Posted by: LandoverHillsBoysClub | August 27, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Baltova, they really do need to find a way to sign Cliff Lee and at least two position player for the outfield. I'm not a worried about Dunn as I believe Josh Willingham will make a better than adequate replacement at third base. The outfield needs help. Moving Josh out of that picture might help fielding wise. Why put that kind of stress on a guy with his injury history. Bernadina is a start. Clearly Morgan isn't working, weak arm and inconsistent OBP isn't working. Morse probably stays at least as a backup but then after that?

The cupboard is absolutely bare again. Losing Dukes and Kearns left it so. For good or ill those two were better than what they've got now. One for his personality the other for his salary ... were released. They need to be replaced.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

By delaying the announcement of his injury to allow Bryce Harper his day, Strasburg showed what a class guy he is.

I was there when he made his debut, and I'll be there when he makes his comeback.

Posted by: gmuhokie2009 | August 27, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

correction: ****replacement at third base***

Meant to say first base.

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-and I'm heartened to see so many unfamiliar monikers on the board today. Shows me that the roots of this teams' fandom is spreading.....
Slows: yet ANOTHER chance to step into the breech, you know? I'm hoping you see this as an opportunity to show us that your commitment to building a winning franchise with a deep, loyal fanbase will NOT be put off even further by this terrible blow.
GO NATS!!!

Posted by: zendo | August 27, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I figured all along there was a good chance of this, so I'm glad we're getting it over with now.

Still a mega bummer.

The Syracuse Chiefs are probably salivating already at the prospect of a rehab game or two.

At last night's Chiefs game, the promotion was a Stephen Stasburg action figure (in Chiefs uniform). For yucks, check out the picture at this link. Maybe on a day like this, it's tough to appreciate the humor.

http://syracuse.chiefs.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100708&content_id=12073444&vkey=pr_t552&fext=.jsp&sid=t552

Posted by: KenNat | August 27, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON PRO SPORTS TEAMS ARE CURSED!!!!

PERIOD!

Posted by: whatyoutalkinboutman | August 27, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Get well soon Stephen!

Posted by: BrownBagIt | August 27, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

nemo, you are loco en la cabeza, dumkomph, lunatique, NUTS! You are 180 degrees out of phase. He got hurt because they didn't pitch him enough? Based on your logic, if he did not pitch at all his arm would be destroyed.

Posted by: chopin224 | August 27, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Stan, quick, what is Aaron Crowe's agent's phone number?

Posted by: ajlerner1 | August 27, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I said before spring training that the only thing that mattered this year was strasburg delivering on the hype and zimmermann coming back strong. Looks like that's what next year will be about...again. Very, very sad day, but he'll be back...

Posted by: WrongDog | August 27, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

". . . we won't know what kind of a pitcher he will be on the other side."

That's the problem. Watching Chris Carpenter is fine as he mows down opposing batters, but Strasburg in his brief tenure was like seeing a shooting star. In retrospect, too brilliant.

Strasburg may well be effective, especially if he changes his mechanics, but I foresee a lot less electricity in the ball park when he takes the mound. We went for a superstar and we may get a Brian Matusz.

Posted by: JohnRDC | August 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Doh!

Posted by: Gladiator2008 | August 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's Go CAPS!!!

Posted by: chevychase10 | August 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

peric, we're all entitled to our opinions.

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The problem with this argument natsfan1a is that your wonderful Mr. Dibble claimed that it was the bloggers who "never played, and never seen the MRI or medical opinions" who were opining against his reprehensible statements. Yes, reprehensible.

Defending him makes me wonder ...

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2010 11:59 AM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 27, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@jaywas4472:

Rivera is a great closer (and pitcher in general) but you wouldn't be talking about him if he spent his career in Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Baltimore or just about anywhere outside a few teams that have been built to get a closer into meaningful situations year after year after year.

Posted by: scrappledog | August 27, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

SS - Go get your arm fixed, work your hardest at rehab, and get well soon! We can't wait to get you back better than ever next year!

Posted by: PattyinSJ | August 27, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's Go CAPS!!!

Posted by: chevychase10 | August 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

+1

Posted by: RicketyCricket | August 27, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

In other words, nobody goes into the draft with the No. 1 pick hoping to build the future of their franchise around the best closer.

Posted by: scrappledog | August 27, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse


Blankspace wondered what life was like before Tommy John surgery.

Life before TJS meant that Sandy Koufax retired at 30 after going 27-9 with a 1.73 ERA.

While we wait for SS's return, I sure hope the Nats sign Dunn to give us a reason to show up next year.

Posted by: Drew8 | August 27, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Strassburg shows he has class: The Nationals informed Strasburg yesterday, but he wanted to delay the announcement of his impending likely surgery so as not to spoil first overall pick Bryce Harper's introductory press conference.

Posted by: thegraneys | August 27, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

As a Twins fan, I can totally relate. Four years ago, rookie Francisco Liriano had a slider that was completely unhittable, was even more lights out than Strasburg, and was on a team bound for a deep postseason run. Then he threw out his arm late in the season, had Tommy John surgery, and has never been the same. He's shown flashes of his former self, but he'll never get back to that level of dominance.

So good luck, Strasburg, you'll need it.

Posted by: largewu | August 27, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

On the bright side think of the marketing possibilities for his first start back- "The Second Coming", "HE Returns...."

Posted by: thegraneys | August 27, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Remember Mark Fidrych, nicknamed "The Bird," a Detroit Tigers pitching phenom? He was all-everything in 1976..tore his rotator cuff in 1977...and retired at 29.

Posted by: CarolAnne1 | August 27, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

The question is, will Nats season ticket holders renew for a dead 2011 or decide it is not worth it in this economy with no Strasburg until garbage time?

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 27, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Not a Nats fan but this is heart breaking news. Hopefully he can come back but the Nats are going to run out of #1 picks pretty soon so they really need to be able to take advantage of the ones they have had the fortune to get. This kid is obviously special and I am sure with his age and attitude he will eventually return to form. Lucky for him even if he can't throw 100 he has 4 pitches that were effective and he should be able to use them all after this.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | August 27, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"I do wonder whether the team knew the extent of the injury before this, though, and may have asked Dibble to take the nights off in that context."

Sounds like they were pretty sure on Monday. So if they didn't want to keep Dibble from stepping even further in it by telling him what was going on and asking him to keep to himself, this would be the next best thing. I wonder how tempted they were to let him go out there and make an even more complete fool of himself instead? I liked the guy more than I expected to in the role, but I'm sure between this and the off-mike prima donna act he's done here at the end of the season.

Posted by: zimbar | August 27, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Stephen, don't worry yourself about the fans and media. Dedicate yourself to coming back stronger then ever because you love to play this game.

Hopefully you have a speedy (as can be) recovery and we will see you again at Nats Park.......

later

Posted by: punchdaclock | August 27, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, a group of people are smiling, and we all know who they are...Atilano, Stammen, Olsen, Detweiler, Marquis, Wang, Mock, Martis, Chico, Balester and Bergmann.

Good luck SS. You can rest easy knowing you've given hope to the hopeless.

Posted by: howjensen | August 27, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

He's done. At least it's almost Captals hockey sesaon!

Posted by: saywhat3 | August 27, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

If Strasburg misses all of 2011, does that year count as a year of service toward arbitration eligibility and free agency?

Posted by: mw09 | August 27, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

peri, just to clarify, "top of the rotation" pitcher didn't automatically mean Cliff Lee. He's like the Great Pumpkin, you can wait all you want, he's not coming here...

Posted by: baltova1 | August 27, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess we're not going to have Stephen Strasburg bobblehead day next season...

(Yes, I AM bummed out, but it's not like my doctor told me I have cancer. I joked about that then, too...)

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 27, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse


Your Nationals are a crap team, because your coaches are chumps. The Red Sox would never have used Strasburg as a starter his rookie season. They would have kept him in the bullpen for one or two seasons to develop his arm and learn from the veterans.

Once in a blue moon when you get a decent talent the first thing you do is destroy him.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 27, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"We've been warned. Boswell for one cautioned us of the dangers of selecting a pitcher as the first overall pick. It is very unpredictable"

Boswell's point was more like that it's totally predictable -- no pitcher selected #1 overall has ever had an above-average career. Not one.

Posted by: AlanSF | August 27, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Not a Nationals' fan, either, but two things come to mind: 1.) for the most part, these guys come back throwing better than before the surgery; 2.) thankkfully, none of these pitchers ever seem to have the surgery twice.

Posted by: pgtjhu | August 27, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

screwjob21: "The Red Sox would never have used Strasburg as a starter his rookie season."

That's true. They would use Roger Clemens instead. Age 21 in 1984, appeared in 21 games, 20 as starter, pitched 5 complete games.

Mr. Mouth, meet Mr. Foot.

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 27, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

At least the Caps are back soon.
Hey mriordan123, remember, Boston suffered for a loooong time before their return to glory. Not sure about the skins but Nats-Wiz-Caps look positioned to make us proud for years to come. Just not next year for the Nats (or Wiz).

Posted by: jwm1974 | August 27, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Silver lining - what do Josh Johnson, Chris Carpenter, Francisco Liriano, and Tim Hudson all have in common? Tommy John surgery. Sure, that list also includes players whose recovery travails chill Nats fans to the core, but don't jump to pencil Strasburg in as the next Kerry Wood. Not yet.

This twist - shall we call it - may, in fact, postpone Strasburg's career, which could lead to more career overlap with Bryce Harper and other prospects. The Nats are not faced with an aging core and are certainly not missing any "win now" windows in the next year and a half. Losing prime Zimmerman years is the only real concern, from that perspective. Other than Zimmerman, the Nats are a hodgepodge of free agents and temporary position cogs.

Stay optimistic, DC. For now..

Posted by: awsunder | August 27, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Screwjob, you are an idiot.

The Red Sox only have two home-grown pitchers in their rotation. Both have been starters since the moment they arrived in Boston.

Ignoramus.

Posted by: mw09 | August 27, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Instead of listing the All Stars who had the surgery and have come back, the Post should also list the former All Stars, still under 35 who have had the surgery and are no longer on a major league roster.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | August 27, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I find it astounding that out of 160+ comments, only about six were able to note that this news came down on the very same day Jordan Zimmermann came back from TJ surgery--successfully, by all accounts. (Despite the elevated ERA after his first start in over a year.)

I'm not worried, and I'm renewing my season tickets.

Posted by: shepdave2003 | August 27, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The Prophet Don Cooper. He of the W.SOX who had the nerve to announce that those S.S. mechanics dont look sound at all. I chalk it up to the curse of why is this team here anyway? Oh and keep that service meter running while he's laid up too, he and Boras will be eyeing free agency by the time he's fully recovered..

Posted by: orangeandblack | August 27, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

So much for the great White Hype

Posted by: rikkirat | August 27, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Damaged goods. Brian Cashman of the Yankees is now changing his acquisition chart. Put the checkbook away. Besides, whats with the whale boat captain beard??

Posted by: Maximus6 | August 27, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know how much seats in the operating room theater for Strasburg's surgery are going for on StubHub? And if I do manage to snag a ticket, what's the outside food policy? Can I bring in my Junior Mints?

Posted by: FeelWood | August 27, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Kilgore,

Wake up, do your damn job, and get Rob Dibble's reaction to Stephen Strasburg's injury.

Let's remember what Dibble said about Strasburg faking his ailment this week:

"I also look at this from the player's standpoint, that this is your job. This is what you do. You're never going to be 100 percent healthy, feel perfect. So you have to take accountability that you're gonna throw sometimes, your arm's gonna hurt. You're gonna be out there on the mound sometimes, the mound is gonna be terrible and the dirt is gonna be a little loose and it might not be so great. You can't constantly be complaining over every little thing.

"So for me, a little bit has to be put back on Strasbug here. Ok, you throw a pitch, it bothers your arm, and you immediately call out the manager and the trainer? Suck it up, kid. This is your profession. You chose to be a baseball player. You can't have the cavalry come in and save your butt every time you feel a little stiff shoulder, sore elbow.

"I mean, excuse me. There's guys I played with that had screws holding their elbows together. Chris Sabo played two weeks on a broken ankle. I put a steel plate in my wrist so I could be back in five weeks instead of three months. So, this is your choice. You can either suck it up and be a man at 22 making $2 million a year [with] a $15 million contract, or every time you get an ache and pain you can go out of the game and say I'm gonna let down the other 24 guys right here and possibly end up forfeiting the game."

GET OFF YOUR LAZY CANDY ASS, Kilgore, and get the damn story!

Posted by: MarkinJC | August 27, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Really shocked to hear this news. The Nats appeared to be on their way to competeing in the NL EAST. As a Phillies fan, I began to dred playing the Nats because they had really made progress and battled every game. Best of luck to Strasburg but I do not look forward to his return because of how good he made the Nats.

Posted by: phillies2008 | August 27, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess this means Rob Dibble isn't going to win any Nobel Prize for investigative reporting this year...

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | August 27, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Love Strasburg, and am sorry this happened, but as I predicted, it is ridiculous to pay such huge dollars to sign a "once in a lifetime" pitcher. Pitchers are the riskiest of prospects, no matter how good, as demonstrated in this case. Scott Boras is laughing all the way to the bank - a pox on him.

Posted by: fwillyhess | August 27, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

A previous comment: "The human body is not built for constant abuse. This result is not surprising." Well, hmmm. THE HUMAN BODY seemed to be "built" for such abuse a generation ago. Go talk to Nolan Ryan or Mickey Lolich or Steve Carlton. What is it with this current generation?

Posted by: Craig_Colgan | August 27, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

jollyroger2

shut up, your a blogger and bloggers think they are always smarter than everyone they blog about. If you were as smart as you think you would be working for the Nats. But you are not, your a blogger who just thinks he is smart because he can read his own blogs

Posted by: ged0386 | August 27, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

MarkinJC

Why are bloggers angry a holes who are always bichin and moaning about other people? Are you really that miserable that you rant about a sports article? Take a trip to Vegas or something dude.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 27, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

How many fans based their ticket purchases based on dates that Strasburg was pitching? I was at the recent game where Strasburg was scratched due to shoulder soreness. Although a few fans left after discovering that the pitcher was not wearing #37, and a couple of yahoos booed when the announcement was made that Strasburg had been a last minute scratch, the crowd was treated to a memorable baseball experience. While Strasburg's injury is a difficult setback, I believe the organization is very intelligently building a perennial champ. Great list of pitchers who had undergone Tommy John Surgery who were named to this year's All Star Team. Strasburg will be back in 2012, and by then Bryce Harper should be ready for prime time. Hopefully, Dave Sheinin will do some more in-depth reporting about bio-mechanics. Interest in bio-mechanics has never been hotter. Fascinating stuff!

Posted by: dannykurland1 | August 27, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

What is a National League rookie of the Jamie Garcia?

Posted by: hansenjo | August 27, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

what is the old adage, "the faster they throw, the sooner they tear their arms up?"

c'est la vie

Posted by: tokenwhitemale | August 27, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Scouts talked about Strasburg's mechanics problems when they drafted him (the famous inverted W) but most thought they could fix his mechanics. (a) Looking at pix from Nats games it's obvious that they have not fixed this and (b) saying you can fix a mechanics problem willfully ignores the years of damage done by said problem.

Google "Inverted W" to learn more about why pitchers like Prior and Smoltz go through their careers with injury after injury while those like Ryan and Maddox can avoid the same.

Posted by: Left_of_the_Pyle | August 27, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The ghosts in Montreal have come to roost in DC and they are not leaving until the Expos have baseball back in Montreal where it should never have left.

Posted by: JKJ88 | August 27, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse


The way the ball is thrown today invites these injuries. The shoulder and elbow weren't built to stand that stress.

I hope his surgery is successful and he comes back. This is one of those "bad things happen to good people."


Posted by: mortified469 | August 27, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

To be a star in league sports, you not only have to have freakish ability, but the God-given gift (or pure luck) to avoid injury. Many, many more people have the former than have the latter. You give established players money not (just) for their ability, but because they've demonstrated an ability to avoid injury. That's why young pitchers are riskier thanhitters; pitchers are pretty much an injury waiting to happen.

Posted by: gbooksdc | August 27, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

When will the MAJOR LEAGUE teams learn that no amount of money paid to a rookie will ensure a heathly career. As a long time fan of the 1st Senators and the 2nd Senators, I have waited for a team to replace those long ago teams. With the Expo's, renamed the NTIONALS moving to D.C. anand playing in the Senior Circuit I thought maybe, just maybe the Jinx of the Senators won't attach to the NATIONALS. I was wrong! The jinx remains and no matter how much money is thrown to break the jinx, it remains active and here. Ask Peter Angelos, the O's still are a division 2 team despite millions of $$$ being thrown around. Yes, Tommy John surgery has been successful in returning players tothe roster. That's the key here, "ROSTER"
So friends I hate to be the bearer of sad news, but Steven Strasburg will never again throw that 100 mph fastball, because even though the surgery may be a success, his mental state may not. Every time he steps on the mound now, that will be the over riding thought, What if this happens again? And a host of other thoughts. The good thing this year is the signing of Bryce Harper, he's not a flame throwing pitcher!!! Another one of Scott (Borax) Boras high $$$ draft choice bits the dust.
For a short time hope was indeed focused o Nationals Park and the seats were filling up, but alas those days are over and Mr. Strasburg can return to the SoCal beaches and work as a life guard.
The Nationals would be better off to sign the pitchers that have actually pitched and succeeded in the MAJOR LEAGUE. Put there energy and $$$ on everyday players and build around Ryan Z., Bryce H.,Aaron D. because the mound is the Emergency Room of the Major Leagues. Good luck Steven Strasbug with your surgery and very intense rehab, it was a blast to watch a rookie with the skills he has and to see the diehard fans of the NATIONALS once again hoping and praying for that World Series ticket, 85 years overdue!!
I remain a die hard Washington Nationals fan, just not a fan of paying millions and millions of $$$ for a 2 1/2 month Major League career. As has already been said here, The CAPITALS begin offical play soon, so another season of turning the radio and TV off of the NATIONALS and on the the CAPS. Yes and maybe even the new look REDSKINS. But let's not forget the (other) 1st round pick of 2009, Drew Storen, a young man who took far less $$$ and now has worked his way to the closer spot. Let's hope that he continues to shine brightly in that darken bullpen at NATIONALS PARK!! See you in Flordia in the spring of 2011!!

Posted by: bessie2 | August 27, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Man. And I thought Gale Sayers was a sports phenom whose legendary career was over before it began. If it weren't for bad luck, the Nats would have no luck at all!

Posted by: lwilliamson1 | August 27, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Very sad news for this fine young man and the Nats. Best wishes in your recovery, Stephen.

Posted by: seaduck2001 | August 27, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Addendum for peric: we’re each entitled to our opinion. You are. I am. Bloggers are. I have no desire to be drawn into a cycle of attack and defend with you. I won’t be responding to your further comments in that vein, either here or on other blogs in which you’ve commented about me today.

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The problem with this argument natsfan1a is that your wonderful Mr. Dibble claimed that it was the bloggers who "never played, and never seen the MRI or medical opinions" who were opining against his reprehensible statements. Yes, reprehensible.

Defending him makes me wonder ...

Posted by: periculum | August 27, 2010 11:59 AM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 27, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Close the door on these guys for the next 12-18 months.

Posted by: medic2010 | August 27, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Kerry Wood, anyone?

Posted by: Aerowaz | August 27, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Nemo, Jollyroger, and screwjob are complete idiots. All 3 of you need to get a life you pieces of SH_ _!!!!

Posted by: jerod1 | August 27, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Sad news but not surprising given the incredible strain of pitching, especially when young bodies are still growing. Delaying the announcement so as to not interfere with the Hsrper intro is pure class. Quite the contrast to Dibble who shot from the lip before the diagnosis was in. I suspect he is done with the Nats, it will be pretty hard for him to show his face in NatsTown again.

Should be interesting to see how the other rookie pitchers will fare this year and next. Leake has already been moved to the bullpen to slow down his pace. Teams will also probably be reluctant to spend big money on 1st round pitchers.

Posted by: Natmeister | August 27, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the stupid CURSED comments already!! If you really believe in that stuff you can complain if you want but it will never compare to watching the CHICAGO CUBS! 102 years and counting despite the recent sweep of the Nats, the Cubbies are truly the best when it comes to losing. We'll see who wins first, hopefully I'll still be alive...

Posted by: YNotLegalize | August 27, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It would appear as if Strasburg is three things at this point: 1. Fragile. 2. Overpaid. 3. A flameout. Did I mention overhyped? Let's cherish those few innings he pitched in 2010 and move on to the next No. 1 pick. So now bring on Bryce Harper! May a hangnail not keep him out of next season, and perhaps the next. And may he develop better taste in clothes.

Posted by: Sobek | August 27, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Roger Clemens played 12 seasons for the Red Sox and 22 years in total. Roger's third season he took the Red Sox to the World Series. Proof that Boston did not burn out Clemens during his rookie year.

Stephen Strasburg survived LESS THAN THREE MONTHS pitching in the majors, and his arm is already torn up and completely shot. Gone.

Q.E.D.


Posted by: screwjob21 | August 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Strah will be back, good as new and will become the most dominate pitcher in baseball. He will be a regular all-star and pitch the Nats to a World Series title sometime in this decade.

Posted by: magilla | August 27, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, gang, it's not so bad. In fact it's good. It's going to take the SloLerners' brain trust next year to figure out they need a manager & coaching staff. Strudel will be beyond Wiggleman's reach. When Strudel returns, Harper will be joining the Gnats, the young talent will be two seasons more mature, a couple of new free agents will be added to the mix, Marquis will be gone, and they'll have a decent manager.

Posted by: MartinZook | August 27, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Strasburg might be back, sometime, but he'll never recover all of it.

At least we've seen him at his best. Thanks for the memories, Steve.

Now, will Harper be able to handle the cutters and sliders?

Posted by: perryneheum | August 27, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Sad news. I watched him pitch twice and was amazed at the control and velocity he had. He was the nats #1 pitcher. He will be sorely missed next season.

Posted by: M20832 | August 27, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse


And to think that the Nats destroyed this kid his rookie year for the sake of a team that is playing .422 baseball.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 27, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

WITH THE NUMBER ONE PICK IN THE 2012 MLB DRAFT, THE WASHINGTON NATIONALS SELECT.............. ???


I still think they rushed this kid. hope he recovers soon... oh well back to what's important.. FOOTBALL!!!!!

GO SKINS!!!!

Posted by: datruth21 | August 27, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Only in DC can people throw away money like that. $15 million here. $15 million there. Soon you're talking about real money. Strasburg and his agent really suckered the Nats. He sat out last year instead of going to Vermont. This year he had a "cup of coffee" in Harrisburg and Syracuse because the Nats were in such a rush to get some payback. It takes more than raw talent and this over-hyped kid wasn't ready for prime time. There is a reason they call it "player DEVELOPMENT."
But with time off, he can finish his senior year and then teach PE. Even what's left of his $15 million won't last forever.

Posted by: emacee1701 | August 27, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

For Sale: #37 never been worn jersey still in bag.

Posted by: atallgood | August 27, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse


The $15 million gamble that the Nationals lost.

Even after the TJ procedure, it's highly unlikely Strasburg would even attempt to throw in the upper 90's again.

And who could blame him?

Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | August 27, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This is Obama's fault.
Glenn Beck told me
so I believe it.

He hates white people.
And he mostly hates
white pitchers more than
anyone.

Glenn Beck told me
so it must be true.


Posted by: printthis | August 27, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

In related news, Donovan McNabb's ankle just exploded.

Posted by: ozpunk | August 27, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Add Strasburg to the DC and Cleveland Sports Curse List: http://dneckel.blogspot.com/2010/08/strasburg-adds-to-dc-and-cleveland.html

Posted by: klofton798 | August 27, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Want to see an winning team in a pleasant setting that won't cast you an arm and a leg?
Go see the WASHINGTON FREEDOM play the Sky Blue FC at the Germantown,Md. soccer-plex Sat.Kick off is at 7pm.

Posted by: 10bestfan | August 27, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

That's it! We got 12 game starts out of him over his first two seasons. Brings back memories of old Nick Johnson, who we got 38 games out of over two seasons (07,08), and the Washington Wizards Gilbert Arenas, who we got 47 games out of the past 3 seasons.

Posted by: PSB1 | August 27, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Orioles and Nationals are bottom feeder organizations with owners who refuse to field a competitive product.

Posted by: usgov | August 27, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This is going to sound odd but in a way this is a good thing.
The Nats simply aren't going anywhere this year and next would probably be a stretch for them to seriously contend for a WC or Division title. There are just too many holes to fill in one offseason to think they're going to be there with the Phils, Braves, Cards or Giants next year.
But the 12-18 month timeline puts it to early 2012 where with the maturation of the other arms and development of some position players(Desmond etc.) he could be returning just in time to bolster their run.
Given the high success rate of surgery he's going to be fine.

Posted by: BigDaddy651 | August 27, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Remember Dizzy Dean? He was great until hit in the toe and that was that.
Anyway wish him well, hope is medical insurance covers this and he has a real good injury clause in the contract. Now it is on to the next savior.

Posted by: KBlit | August 27, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

As I watched him pitch, and thrilled to the guns reading '99', '101', I wondered in background -- How can human ligament, muscle, cartilage, tissue, stand that kind of stress?

The can't.

Posted by: JPMcC | August 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! What ever we have done, we are sorry! Enough! The Curse of the "Bullet" is spreading all over town. Caps lose in first round, Arenas gets hurt and then goes nuts in the lockeroom, DC United goes from the best in the MLS to the worst and fire their coach and the Redskins continue to fumble away season after season like they have done nearly every year since 1991.

Posted by: JAMNEW | August 27, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Those making nasty comments are lower than whale sh__. They obviously have personal problems and need a place to vent. Send them up to Capital Hill so they can help Congress solve their problems. What a bunch of low IQ whiners. Grow up and move to Philly where your kind are the norm.

Posted by: pjohn2 | August 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

wonder how his super agent is gonna spin this latest news, will he offer a rebate on the signing bonus?

I will be surprised if he does.

Posted by: terpfan4141 | August 27, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Well.. his Hyperspeed fast ball will probably be history now. If he gets back in the game a year or so from now -- maybe he will learn how to perfect a slider.

Posted by: bronxace | August 27, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Glad I held off on buying that jersey. I'll keep wearing my Zimmerman one until then. Good thing he got injured when the Nats suck, not like we were going to make the playoffs this year or next anyway. I'll still be watching and suffering though.

Posted by: futbolclif | August 27, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The level of ignorance, by some, is amazing:

1. The nonsense that a pitcher who had a slightly odd throwing motion and threw faster than anyone else was doomed. We actually had one of those. Washington Nationals fans watched him for 20 years. His name was Johnson.

2. The F/O, coaches, and/or manager pitched him too hard. The F/O, coaches, and/or manager babied him. Can't both be right.

3. Cursed by a franchise that belongs to Montreal. Sorry, I started following the travails of this team in the early nineties (before the strike of '94) and knew and stated then that Montreal was incapable of supporting MLB and that the franchise would move to DC.

4. Even if Stras comes back, he won't be a starter or be nearly as fast. In actuality, most of the pitchers who have TJ surgery are at least as fast as before, and many are faster.

5. The Nats need to re-evaluate their coaching methods. Simply not true. This is an injury caused by long term strain, as HS and college coaches are under pressure to win, not develop future players. I've seen high school players come back for their senior year, after having TJ surgery.

6. You really want to stop this, it's easy. First, have pitchers only throw fastballs through high school. Second, have kids play baseball only in spring and summer. Let them do other things in Fall and winter. Third, let them develop, by themselves. You think that this is unrealistic (it is) then shut up and hope for the best for Stras.

BTW, this takes the pressure off the Nats to sign Dunn (whose numbers have been on a steady decline for 5 years), and maybe bring up Marrero to play first.

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | August 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Amazing...so many medical experts, soothsayers, "I told ya so's", blame seekers and trolls. As some have already said, fertilizer happens. Let's hope for the best, put the heat on management to field a competitive team in 2011 and support our ball club. Heal well Stras and even if you don't (God forbid)....thanks for the ride!

Posted by: Natstoyou | August 27, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

All of a sudden the guys name escapes me but in 1971 i remember a guy who pitched for Madison High school nobody could touch him sadly his coach pitched him every single game he threw his arm out before his first college pitch i hope Strasburg doesn't become his name escapes me. calling him a phenom is a joke this guy wasn't allowed to grow up since the nats had nowhere to go sorry they didn't let him ride out AAA a bit more but he would have torn it anyway. I have a very bad feeling about the Redskins why are we cursed?

Posted by: southportwave | August 27, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The question isn't whether he'll come back...he will. The question is whether he will have that 100mph fastball. For the sake of him, the Nats, and MLB; I hope he does. My guess is he won't. And at 90-95mph, he's just going to be another journeyman pitcher. If there was an annual Bo Jackson award for unfulfilled career potential, he'd be this year's heavy favorite.

Posted by: Robert_M1 | August 27, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Tommy John Surgery" is the dumbest phrase used in sports by announcers and sportswriters.

Most people have no idea who Tommy John was since he has been out of baseball for 20+ years.

And Tommy John was not the first to have tendon transplant surgery, I believe he was the second.

Posted by: Digital_Voter | August 27, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

Posted by: bupdaddy | August 27, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

one other thing, some guy bought a one of one Strasburg card on ebay he paid 50 thousand dollars for it, something tells me i should send him a clothes pin for his bike

Posted by: southportwave | August 27, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Rob Dibble is a jerk...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Dibble#Temper Good luck Stephen Starsburg. All DC fans thoughts are with you.

Posted by: bbirdy202 | August 27, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse


it is obama's fault.


Posted by: skeptic11 | August 27, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

See how far we've come in just two years? Back then, it would have been Bush's fault.

Posted by: gilbertbp | August 27, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you get a team that justly belongs in another city.

Ceci est ce qu'arrive quand vous obtenez une équipe qui appartient justement dans une autre ville

Posted by: JerryParks | August 27, 2010 11:51 AM

The ghosts in Montreal have come to roost in DC and they are not leaving until the Expos have baseball back in Montreal where it should never have left.

Posted by: JKJ88 | August 27, 2010 1:37 PM

-----------------------------------------

When the Quebecois are able to get either the Minnesota Twins or the Texas rangers back to DC, then Montreal can have the Expos back. Until then, enjoy your poutine.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | August 27, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Nine pitchers in the 2010 All Star game had this surgery, and now SS. What are these pitchers doing, or what is it about their training, that is making Tommy John surgery so common? It's got to be more than because the surgery is available. Something is off with their training, conditioning or delivery. I'll just blame the DH :-)

Posted by: imsunbake | August 27, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

@screwjob21:
"Roger Clemens played 12 seasons for the Red Sox and 22 years in total. Roger's third season he took the Red Sox to the World Series. Proof that Boston did not burn out Clemens during his rookie year."

Looks like you took this from Roger Clemens' Wikipedia article. Of course, the article omits the following about Clemens' second year (1985):

"Midway through the 1985 season, however, Clemens's career was already in danger of being derailed. His shoulder began hurting so much that he could barely lift his pitching arm. Clemens underwent surgery, removing cartilage near his rotator cuff. While some feared that his career might be over, others, like Red Sox pitching coach Bill Fischer speculated that the injury might actually have been a blessing in disguise..."

This was mentioned in at least two of Tom Boswell's columns on the subject. Way to do research, @$$hole.

Posted by: bertbkatz | August 28, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OK, it's a tough contest this time, but please vote for the dumbest/least knowledgeable notions on this thread:

1. Mariano Rivera had TJ surgery
2. The phrase "TJ surgery" is dumb
3. A 100 MPH fastball is important for Strasburg to be successful
4. If the stadium had been built in NoVa, this all wouldn't have happened.
5. Boswell urged the Nats not to draft a pitcher.
6. Rob Dibble's employment status is an important thing to care about.

Posted by: paulkp | August 28, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

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