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The 2013 Nationals

Say Bryce Harper follows a path similar to Justin Upton, the last 17-year-old to be taken with the first overall pick. He'll appear in his first game at 19 and start appearing as a regular at 20. The absolute soonest Harper -- whom the Nationals officially added to the 40-man roster this afternoon -- will be an opening day regular player would probably 2013.

That thought, melded with a lack of sleep, led to an exercise that is hypothetical to the point of absurdity. Now that it's done it honestly feels silly to even post it, but the time and thought shouldn't go to waste. Hopefully, you'll actually like it.

Anyway, the aim: to slap together a rough outline of what a Nationals roster, comprised only of players currently in the organization after yesterday's draft signing haul, could perhaps look like on opening day in 2013.

Of course the Nationals will draft more players and sign free agents and make trades, so, again, this is more an effort at fun than relevance. Here goes, with the age the player will be for the majority of 2013:

Starting lineup
C - Wilson Ramos (25)
1B - Adam Dunn (33)
2B - Danny Espinosa (26)
SS - Ian Desmond (27)
3B - Ryan Zimmerman (28)
LF - Michael Burgess (24)
CF - Roger Bernadina (29)
RF - Bryce Harper (20)

Other options/Bench:
Derek Norris, C perhaps 1B (24)
Rick Hague, SS/2B (24)
Destin Hood, OF (23)
Chris Marrero, 1B (24)
David Freitas, C (24)
Eury Perez, OF (23)
Stephen Lombardozzi, IF (24)

Rotation
1. Stephen Strasburg (24)
2. Jordan Zimmermann (27)
3. Yunesky Maya (31)
4. Sammy Solis (24)
5. John Lannan (28)

Other options:
Daniel Rosenbaum (25)
Tom Millone (26)
A.J. Cole (21)
Ross Detwiler (27)
Livan Hernandez (38)*
Robbie Ray (21)
Brad Peacock (25)
Brad Meyers (28)
Craig Stammen (29)

*Just kidding. Sort of.

Closer
Drew Storen (24)

Other options/Relievers
Rafael Martin (29)
Tyler Clippard (28)
Sean Burnett (30)
Atahualpa Severino (28)
Craig Stammen (29)
A.J. Cole (21)

Feel free to leave your own thoughts in the comments.

By Adam Kilgore  |  August 17, 2010; 1:49 PM ET
 
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Willie Harris will be in Left Field.

Posted by: longterm | August 17, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sadly the way we are going we will be getting top 1st round picks in 2011 as well. Hopefully we can pick up some free agents that will make an impact in the future.

Posted by: PNatsFan | August 17, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

That list has some promise to it. Hasn't really delivered on it yet, but hope springs eternal!

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

El Duque (47)

Posted by: ATownNatsTown | August 17, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Three year predictions are tough....Just for fun, below is Baseball America's "Projected 2010 Lineup" made three years ago in their 2007 Prospect Handbook:

Catcher - Brian Schneider
First Base - Nick Johnson
Second Base - Felipe Lopez
Third Base - Ryan Zimmerman
Shortstop - Esmailyn Gonzalez
Left Field - Kory Casto
Center Field - Austin Kearns
Right Field - Chirs Marrero

No. 1 Starter - Collin Balester
No. 2 Starter - Colton Willems
No. 3 Starter - John Patterson
No. 4 Starter - Glenn Gibson
No. 5 Starter - Matt Chico

Closer - Chad Cordero

Wow, how times have changed.

Posted by: Y2kob | August 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Nice look but needs to be better. I think everyone points to 2012/2013 for the playoffs, world Series push. Zim could and will probably walk if the Nats are a playoff team then. The 2013 lineup gives the Nats 2 of the top 20 players in all of MLB. Hopefully Harper could join Zim/Stras in that group giving the Nats are a perennial championship nucleus.

Team still has some holes in the OF and need another strong candidate for a starter.

Posted by: hoo93 | August 17, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

No Willingham?

Posted by: FeelWood | August 17, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-great signing, huh? And great discussion going on-as usual-with many of may favorite Gangsters.Apologies beforehand-I see AK just put this new post up so I'm gonna repost this from the last thread...any hoo, regarding the "cheap" issue: That's why I've referred to 'em as the "Slows". While you can certainly argue(from my perspective) that the Slows HAVE been ...er, penurious...so far, my inherent hope for otherwise has me willing to grant them the benefit of the doubt. That also leads me to WANT to take Ted Slow at his word about building a PERPETUAL contender...which might mean keeping salaries low to ensure RE-signing Zimm, Stras, Harper? when the time comes rather than lose 'em to another team.Now, as many have argued, the Slows have done themselves no favors by not not putting a better product (I HATE using that term) on the field for a nascent fan base. In so many ways, they appear to have done the opposite, and NOT just with the team on the field-and to claim the confluence of two wretched years coinciding with drafting two possibly historic players as being "validation" for their approach...well, as long as they take advantage of it, all's well that ends well
BUT-no more do-overs, OK, Slows? And having the Rizz-and the spectacular success with the signings this year-I feel like my annual blind optimism (followed by epic bellyaching!) may have some basis in reality.
On a 2nd topic-I keep bringing up Johhny Bench (in Joe Pos' article about Stras). Meaning I not only don't think it outlandish to see Harper sooner than many think, I also think catching would have still been viable-til Ramos, at any rate. And for all my/our complaints about a seeming lack of implacability by the team when it comes to not losing-well, the very "flaws' some have found in Harpers' make-up may(once tempered by big league reality and clubhouses, we hope)turn out to be something we value. The athletic arrogance. The self confidence bordering on...well, we'll see. The one guy we have I DO see that in? The Rizz!
And Oh-don't recall seein' yer handle, greywolfe-but nice work!Thanks fer joining the Gang!
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | August 17, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

fascinating and fun! personally, i expect that chris marrero will re-emerge near the top of the radar sorta like desmond did this year. desmond looked like an all-world player as a 19 yr old in spring training 2006, disappeared (relatively speaking) for a couple years then re-emerged as a top flite prospect around age 23-24. remember these are HS kids, their ongoing development will likely not be linear.

Y2kob - your list is sobering indeed. it also goes to show how much new talent has been pumped into this organization since that list was created!

Posted by: DCPowerGator | August 17, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Manager? And don't you dare say Riggleman.

Posted by: FeelWood | August 17, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

This is really encouraging. What really jumps out is how young just about everyone on that list will be in 2013. Not everyone there looks like a long-term solution, but that's what free agency is for. I'm a lot happier about the future after reading this....which will be needed based on how I think the rest of the season will go.

Posted by: InTheCheapSeats | August 17, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Shortstop: Adrian Arturo Sanchez (22)

Posted by: newbridge | August 17, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

No Willingham?

Posted by: FeelWood | August 17, 2010 3:39 PM

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He's projecting post-All- Star Break, when Willingham will be slumping

Posted by: Section506 | August 17, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-and while I'm saluting you all, where are (no particular order...sorry for the omissions,too) comments from:dargreg,Peri,soul-d, meridian, Ed,Tippy,1a,sec3,Brue,swanni,joemkt,
fpc.CiL,Cappy,joebleax,dfh,nunnoff,johnmpls
sunshinebobby,nats"___",musiqfletch,raymitssoren,birk,hansenjo,driley,mark,...oh, I give up!
TOO many great Gangsters to name...and hopefully LOTS more to come! Can't fergit JayB or Dove, either
Thanks to you all! Keep it coming, Gang!
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | August 17, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

longterm, thanks for a very good laugh, and Y2kob, thanks for digging out the BA projection--very sobering. Lack of depth among OFers is clearly still an issue, but, man, the acquisition of Ramos is a godsend for our catching "inventory." (Another word like "product.")
Zendo (and sabermetricians please move on at this point if you haven't already done so), I have the same thoughts about Harper's potential effect on clubhouse chemistry. I think the interaction of the bumptious young slugger with the more stoical veterans will be beneficial for both.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | August 17, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Just think of the possible lineup! No more holes, just speed, youth, and power all around.

Except for Dunn of course.

Posted by: von_bluff | August 17, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

... a TV team of Johnny Holliday, Gary Carter, Greaseman, and Ben Goesseling. Erin Andrews.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | August 17, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Verry, interresting, AK. I think I liked this best:

Livan Hernandez (38)*

*Just kidding. Sort of.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | August 17, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

AK; Thanks for the late afternoon belly laugh! Three years from now, lets look into our crystal ball....., ah I see scrap heap look-a-likes of Willie Harris, Nyger Morgan, Will Nieves and Adam Kennedy still be riding the pine at Nats Park.

Adam Dunn..., oh you mean that Adam Dunn who took the 60M and went to play for the Red Sox after the 2010 season.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | August 17, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

And unfortunately, Strasberg and Harper will be in New York and Boston in 2014

Posted by: govtmule11 | August 17, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

It's sorta telling that two pitching prospects who were once highly thought of, McGeary (4-1, 4.6 ERA at Hagerstown) and Smoker (3-10, 7+ ERA at Hagerstown), aren't mentioned anywhere in the post or comments. I guess that goes to show you can never have too many pitching prospects because so many never progress past the lowest levels of the minors.

Posted by: dutchmcalliser | August 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Who is Strasberg and why would the Nats trade Harper so soon? Boy, if they did, they'd really get a haul in return, no doubt.

Posted by: Section314 | August 17, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't count out Livan. He will pitch until he is 40. And probably better than most of the rotation.

Posted by: MKadyman | August 17, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Starting lineup
C - Wilson Ramos (25)
1B - Adam Dunn (33)
2B - Danny Espinosa (26)
SS - Ian Desmond (27)
3B - Ryan Zimmerman (28)
LF - Michael Burgess (24)
CF - Roger Bernadina (29)
RF - Bryce Harper (20)

Other options/Bench:
Derek Norris, C (24)
Rick Hague, SS/2B (24)
Destin Hood, OF (23)
Chris Marrero, 1B (24)
David Freitas, C (24)
Eury Perez, OF (23)
J.P. Ramirez, OF (23)
Justin Bloxom, 1B, 3B [likely Dunn replacement] (24)
(Norris stays at catcher this guy switch hits.)
Jesus Valdex, OF (29)

Stephen Lombardozzi, IF (24)

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Other options:
Trevor Holder (25)
Daniel Rosenbaum (25)
Tom Millone (26)
A.J. Cole (21)
Ross Detwiler (27)
Livan Hernandez (38)*
Robbie Ray (21)
Brad Peacock (25)
Brad Meyers (28)
Craig Stammen (29)

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

AK- Any word on the 40 man roster move yet?

How does Lannan make the list of starters? Where is Martis? Isn't 2013 the year Wang is supposed to start his rehab stint?

All kidding aside for a moment. Harper has a five year deal. We hear he will be ready in two to three years. Unless my math is wrong that is two to three years of actual Nats playing time before the So Cal kid flys the coop to the Dodgers or Angles. Me thinks we will see Mr. Harper next year after Willingham gets traded at the 2011 deadline.

Posted by: hansenjo | August 17, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Other options:
AJ Morris (26)
Trevor Holder (25)
Daniel Rosenbaum (25)
Tom Millone (26)
A.J. Cole (21)
Ross Detwiler (27)
Livan Hernandez (38)*
Robbie Ray (21)
Brad Peacock (25)
Brad Meyers (28)
Craig Stammen (29)

Posted by: periculum | August 17, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

... a TV team of Johnny Holliday, Gary Carter, Greaseman, and Ben Goesseling. Erin Andrews.

Posted by: poncedeleroy | August 17, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse
____________________________________________
Somehow you have to include WaPo reporters in there: plenty available after the WaPo goes belly-up or is acquired.

Posted by: joemktg1 | August 17, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Livan Hernandez (38?)

Posted by: 202character | August 17, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Livan is the new Satch Paige, his fastball is "sneaky fast" and he will pitch well into his 50s.

Posted by: C-way | August 17, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"*Just kidding. Sort of."
About the "(38)"?

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | August 17, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

This will all change once we sign Carl Crawford in the offseason as a free agent and then trade Willingham, Burgess and Detwiler for Matt Kemp. The OF would be Crawford, Kemp and Harper. . Wow!

A guy can dream, can't he?

Posted by: NatsWin | August 17, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@NatsWin - totally w/ you on Crawford. Would love to get him or Werth.

Love the post. Hard for me to picture Lannan in that mix. I think the rotation possibilities are exciting, especially as there are so many w/ a real shot.

The '07 list great. Looking back, I would say I was only excited about a few of them for long term prospects. Like Zimmerman. Also, I was (am) in the Kearns fanclub, glad to see he's doing well. Also thought Colton Wilems would make it. Otherwise, in '07 I was worried about the future.

Agree that OF depth is still a problem but it's the easiest to fix in FA. Of course it's tougher to get a big bat w/ a good glove, easy to get one or the other.

Posted by: Avar | August 17, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

"Manager? And don't you dare say Riggleman."

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I agree, look what Buck Showalter is doing with the Orioles using the same talent. Do not say that coaching does not make a difference. If the coach has never won before, the players are the first to sense it. Just look at the current Redskins where there is a renewed sense of confidence due to Shanahan, and also at the Cleveland Indians where perennial loser, Manny Acta is the coach.

Posted by: JohnWWW | August 17, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

It's so easy to win. Just resign Dunn and sign Carl Crawford and we are well on our way to not only contending for the playoffs, but to the World Series.

Posted by: Hogie | August 17, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Expos/Natinals have had 5 (FIVE) of their "position player " draft picks record a big league AT BAT out of their past 10 amateur Drafts (2000-2009)......you do the math before you count them thar chickens......and make rash big league roster predictions.

Posted by: FletcherChristian1 | August 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

lighten up francis.

the 2003 draft had four position guys with mlb at bats - montz, owens, casto, whitesell

2004 had desmond

2005 had zimmerman & maxwell

oh, yeah, 2000 had bay and sizemore.

figure in the wasted MLB owned drafts and its not as bad a picture you have painted


Posted by: LosDoceOcho | August 17, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Wilson Ramos=Catcher.
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This kid is a monster and a Rizzo steal from the twinkies that should be solid behind the plate and at bat.

Posted by: dorseylaw | August 18, 2010 6:08 AM | Report abuse

And unfortunately, Strasberg and Harper will be in New York and Boston in 2014

Posted by: govtmule11 | August 17, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse
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Ummm...no... Strasburg is locked up through at least 2016, and Harper at least through 2020. And while Harper may eventually go for the limelight of the big city, that just doesn't seem to be Stras's makeup...

Posted by: gr8day4bsbll | August 18, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't Espinosa have a better glove and a better arm than Desmond? Why wouldn't he be playing SS and Desmond be at 2B?

Posted by: egoodman8 | August 18, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I like the look of the roster. Based on the roster, I'm wondering if its possible to predict the roster of every team in 2013 and then figure out which teams will win the pennant and which team will win the World Series. Sad thing is that when the Nationals get the #1 pick in 2014, that player is currently 13 years old.

Posted by: garyolney | August 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Lannan the 5th starter? Very hard to picture that one with all of the great arms we have in the minors.

Posted by: HerbyN3 | August 18, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

For the starting line up and rotation, I could see this in 2012

Posted by: DCfan8397 | August 18, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

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