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Game 134 discussion thread: Nationals at Marlins

Tonight's game promises to be, if nothing else, eventful. The very first pitch might be the most intriguing moment. Will Chris Volstad throw at Nyjer Morgan? If so, what will Morgan do? We'll about to find out.

Scott Olsen will be facing his former team. If he can beat Volstad, whom he once competed with for a rotation spot, the Nationals will win a road series for the first time since May 12.

Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  September 1, 2010; 7:05 PM ET
 
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Comments

Nope

Posted by: PattyinSJ | September 1, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Olsen may not last through 1.

Posted by: periculum | September 1, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

No 1-0 pitchers duel tonight.

Posted by: marathoner | September 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

@peric: in the majors.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Make it stop!

Posted by: PattyinSJ | September 1, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Nice job Scott! That will teach the boys not to give you a lead.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 1, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Was that an intentional HBP on Nieves?

Posted by: PattyinSJ | September 1, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

The Fish are hitting Olsen way too hard... There is something wrong here.

Posted by: TimDz | September 1, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

This game is Dan Uggly.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | September 1, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow - I'm not sure if you just leave him in there at this point or yank him and hope for a comeback.

Posted by: PattyinSJ | September 1, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Bye Bye Olson. I have to wonder how much of that was on you, vs. Nieves' calling.

Posted by: mo7290 | September 1, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Good night folks...

Posted by: TimDz | September 1, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

New pitcher same result...

Posted by: mo7290 | September 1, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Nats pitchers are taking Dibble's firing hard.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

It was past time Riggo got Olsen out of there for his own safety. Crissakes, all that was missing was the batting practice screen in front of the mound.

And nice job by Stammen, putting out the fire with that well-placed gopher ball.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | September 1, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This game IS Dan Uggly. And it IS OVER!

Posted by: richs91 | September 1, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

My wife: "What's the score?"

Me: "14-3 ... and the Marlins have crossed the 50-yard line and are in field-goal range."

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | September 1, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Nat's pitchers got nothing on the ball but the cover.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 1, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

After three, the Marlins are on pace to score 37 runs tonight. And somehow that doesn't seem unlikely.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | September 1, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

WWDS?

(What Would Dibble Say?)

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 1, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Maya has pitched 5 scoreless innings so far tonight. 4 hits, 3 Ks.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | September 1, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Man, the Nats pitchers are taking Dibble's firing hard.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 8:03 PM

stevie FTW!!!

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ho! What's going on? Just arrived after the first softball game of the season and ...

oh. 14-3.

I can imagine it wasn't the plan to play Espinosa and Ramos play tonight, but, hey, why not?

Have a good night folks. No Nats conflict with other things to do tonight!

Posted by: mo_dc | September 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

As Charlie and Dave point out, another bonus for Scott Olsen for another start. Maya pitching tonight for Syracuse. Is it time to save some $$ when Olsen's spot comes up again?

Posted by: marathoner | September 1, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Still looking for that first road series victory.

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

This has been a good night for Nats starting pitching...

Maya: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 BB, 4 K

See you soon, Yunesky!

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

The more I see of Nyjer lately the less I like him...here is a guy who fractured his wrist sliding in head first last year and continues to slide the same way....that slide tonite into third could have easily jammed his wrist on the base...don't remember when players fell in love with head first slides, personally I think most are too lazy to develop the tradtional feet first one which is much safer...

Just my thought on the subject...open to comments of course...

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 1, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

balt fill me in: what's that text shorthand for?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the revenge of the fish. How can Volstead get away with 3 hit batters? Not that the Nats can complain. Just hope nobody gets seriously hurt.

Posted by: Natmeister | September 1, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, I can see why Volstad beat out Olsen...

Posted by: bromisky | September 1, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

There has never been an ownership group, nor a fan base, that has deserved a new stadium less than the Florida Marlins.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 1, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse


Bring on Yunesky Maya.

These guys are pitching like Maya Angelou.

Posted by: Drew8 | September 1, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

natmeister wrote:
Wow, the revenge of the fish. How can Volstead get away with 3 hit batters?
=======================================

it's a good thing Colin 'Nuke Laloosh' Balester isn't pitching tonight, they might've needed a MASH unit...

Posted by: bromisky | September 1, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

@pentagon: don't know how much you played, but feet first sliding is actually pretty tough to learn for some folks, particularly if you don't grow up doing it.

Do you expect a pro to be able? Sure.

Now, we've all seen Morgan slide feet first. He can do it. But he's admitted he's not as comfortable as some at it. Is that because of when he started playing the game? I dunno.

The crucial point is, there is a time and a place for each. (I slid both ways, but always preferred head-first. Just how my most influential coach taught it.)

And lest I be accused of being a Morgan apologist, it's pretty apparent that he either doesn't care or doesn't know/feel comfortable with the specific times and places.

Besides, would most of those following the Nats right now care if Morgan fractured his wrist again? Uh . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I may be a coward, but at 15-4 and not even out of the 4th I can't watch any more. Read about the rest tomorrow.

Posted by: NatsFly | September 1, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

FTW: For the Win!!!

Post of the night, my friend, post of the night.

And watch those comments about Maya Angelou's pitching. Word has it she had three quality pitches back in the day.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

That's what I thought, balt. Thanks.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

stevie - I'm betting FTW = For The Win!

I'm multitasking - Did I see Nyjer get drilled, run down to first like it was no big deal, and then steal 2nd and 3rd?

I'm far from Nyjer's biggest fan, but that's pretty cool.

And any word on Donnie Murphy?
That just kinda looked like a broken wrist the way he came running off.

Back to work...

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse


No offense meant to Maya Angelou.

But Scott is pitching like Mrs. Olsen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrGgg6r9YyI

Posted by: Drew8 | September 1, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Not cool Nyjer.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

That was AWESOME. Notice the team wasn't that quick to come out. (You only throw at a guy once.)

Nyjer is gone. And I don't mean from the game, though that, too.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Down Goes Frazier! Down Goes Frazier!

Posted by: bromisky | September 1, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Down Goes Frazier! Down Goes Frazier!

Posted by: bromisky | September 1, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching the game (Comcast caught on that I only paid for Center Ice, not Extra Innings, and cut my access on Monday). Can someone give me the quick and dirty on the current situation?

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Pat Lisatch got in there quick. Maxwell was in no hurry to join in.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Nyjer almost got his head taken off. And he was certainly unrepentant.

Posted by: marathoner | September 1, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Njyer had already been hit once.
Next at bat, Volstad throw behind him.
Nyjer charged (and cgarged fast), hit Volstad, got dropped by Gabby Sanchez, and all hell broke loose.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Oh my gosh, John, so much . . .

Nyjer got thrown behind (the second time they've gone at him), he made straight for the mound, 1B Sanchez clotheslines Morgan, Pat Listach (!) goes after the pitcher, benches empty, lots of people thrown out, still sorting . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I think Nyjer, Dibble and Mike Wise can all schedule a nice road trip together...

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Just that kind of game tonight...

Posted by: HenryStin | September 1, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer needs to be released TONIGHT. He's completely out of control.

I totally support what the Marlins did and was glad to see Morgan get clocked by Sanchez.

Way to risk getting hurt some players who actually are part of the Nats' future. Beat it, jerk.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

OK...I had to log back on after this little fracas...

Nyjer...You are an idiot. Get your stuff and get the hell out. Volstad was tossed by the home plate ump right after the ball passed your arse. You running out there served no other purpose than to put your team mates at risk for the rest of this game.

Rizzo...do what you gotta do..D F A

Posted by: TimDz | September 1, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Before the fight Ray Knight criticized Morgan. Will he be fired? Oh that's right. Morgan is not the golden boy.

Posted by: MKadyman | September 1, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

John, just to clarify, Nyjer stole second and third after getting hit the last time and, with about a 10-run deficit at the time, that is not cool in baseball terms. So that's why the Marlins threw him at him again. And I don't blame them.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Again, I find myself in the uncomfortable position of defending Nyjer, but this is a game - at the time - in the 4th inning. I disagree with Knight: you hit me, I'm stealing every base I can if my team is down in the game, no matter how much they are down.

Those are the risks you take dealing out justice.

Pitcher - Volstad - gone, 1B Sanchez gone, some guy from the Marlins bullpen, Morgan . . . who am I missing?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeesh. I deduced the confrontation from the Gameday action, but I didn't know it got that bad.

I guess that's what Nyjer meant when he said that players police themselves.

The Nats didn't do much to avoid this. 15-5 sets a pretty awful stage.

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Far be it from me to support Morgan, but if he feels last night was clean then I don't have a problem with him stealing two bases. Would had to be thrown at twice and not go at them.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 1, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer is going to come off looking bad after all this, and rightfully so, but in this case, completely bush league by Volstad and the Marlins. The Fish announcers are complaining that Morgan stole bases after getting plunked the first time. Oh no!
It was the fifth inning! If one team can score 15 runs in four innings, the other one can. If you don't want him to steal bases, throw him out. One more reason to despise that franchise.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 1, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

This is just too much, Nyjer is totally out of control. He's going to get teammates hurt with this constant provocation. It just keeps escalating, something is wrong with him.

Posted by: Natmeister | September 1, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Is there a reason we have a problem running around second base? Another trip, this time by Mench.

Posted by: marathoner | September 1, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't quite get why stealing when you're *down* 10 runs is a bad thing...maybe in the ninth inning, but when the game's only half-over, shouldn't the players be looking to advance?
That said, I wonder what the hell came loose in Morgan's head. It makes me sad to watch it, honestly.

Posted by: RightField | September 1, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer has completely lost his mind! The brawl did seem to get the Mats fired up though. Nice little rally here in the 6th. Go Nats!

Posted by: MEssex | September 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh so you give up after the lead is say 10 runs .....what is the cut-off mark 9 or say 8 ......so you do not steal a base after WHAT ohhhh 7 runs down .....I really do not understand the idea that Nyjer stealing a base was showboating ...maybe if he was UP 10 runs but the team was down 10 runs in the 4th!!!!

Posted by: CBinDC | September 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

They threw behind him because he stole 2 bases while down 10 or whatever after being hit. Cool would be getting hit, taking your medicine and moving on. Stealing the bases was giving the Marlins the finger. He's lucky they threw behind him instead of at that idiotic head of his. Charging the mound was junk and risked the whole team getting hurt. He's off the rails. The Nats need to bench him for a while while waiting for the league to suspend him.

Posted by: utec | September 1, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Nyjer stealing two bases is out of line. It's not like the Nats were up 10 runs.

Charging the mound after Volstad had already been tossed, though? Stupid. And selfish.

And now they're making a game of it?

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Espinosa!!!

Posted by: twinbrook | September 1, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Well that was interesting and i don't get the Nyjer's not supposed to be stealing when you're 10 runs behind that is bullsh#t what are we suppposed to do play for one run and Gabby Snachez should have been ejected.l

Posted by: dargregmag | September 1, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

God only knows what Nyjer will do in Pittsburgh, playing against his former team. There's no way they can let him go out there (in the unfortunate event he's still on the team by Thursday). He's either on drugs or needs drugs.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I know the team stinks because of Nyjer ...we get rid of him and all will be well and sunny ......PLEASE ....you have all suddenly seen blood in the water and can not help yourselves to a feast ....but you are losing a bit of your soul in the process keep that in mind

Posted by: CBinDC | September 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

@mjhoya12: I'll respecfully disagree with your comment on the fish being bush for one reason...

Volstad threw BEHIND Morgan and he was IMMEDIATELY tossed by the home plate ump. If Volstad drilled him a second time, THAT would be bush league.

Posted by: TimDz | September 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It's OLD old school to say, if I hit you justly, you take it like a man (apologies, ladies) and do not take extra bases.

I think it's old school enough to be absolutely debatable.

(Now, if all this were happening against the Cards, I might feel differently.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Loved Nyjer last season. Thought he was being unfairly criticized at the beginning of the season. But now: disgusted. Been disgusted for weeks as he hits 200 and change and Riggs plays "lefty-righty" with Bernadina and Morse (pre Willingham injury). Now, the ball in stands, the two catcher incidents, and the grandstanding tonight are more than I can take. Put me firmly in the DFA camp. What the hell happened?? Where did Tony Plush go? Who is this cancer? Ugh. Get it out of here.

Posted by: g3jr | September 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

BTW, while we're so focused on Nyjer, we're ignoring the real goat of this game: Craig Stammen. If he had done his job, this would be something like a one-run game or tied.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

(And yeah, I apologize: Sanchez not gone. So the pitcher, Morgan, and the guy from the bullpen?)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Right, stevie. I actually disagree with more than few of the unwritten rules.

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that letting Olsen off the hook, balt? If he had done his job, Stammen may not have even appeared tonight.

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely right, balt. (And to be fair, Olsen.)

Espinosa, by the by, has a FREAKING CANNON.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

BTW...you can't look at the stolen bases in isolation. It's part of a pattern of ignorance/grandstanding/showboating. Did you see how pumped he was when he was being walked off the field? Something in him snapped a few weeks ago. This isn't normal. His BS last night COST US THE GAME (and the Marlins catcher his season).

Posted by: g3jr | September 1, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

God only knows what Nyjer will do in Pittsburgh, playing against his former team. There's no way they can let him go out there (in the unfortunate event he's still on the team by Thursday). He's either on drugs or needs drugs.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, after watching Espinosa bat once, run the bases once and make a turn on a DP attempt, I am seriously liking what we have there.
He just totally looks like a ballplayer.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

If Nyjer wants to steal, fine, he will have Volstad throw at him again, which he did. And if he wants to charge the mound, fine, he will have Sanchez rip his head off, which he did. Volstad will be ejxcted--he wasn't going to last much longer. But now Nyjer's gone too--and how is that going to help the Nats win? It's all about Nyjer now: he's more than a sideshow or distraction, he's the main event.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | September 1, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer is a bush-league numbskull. Taunting the crowd as he was being escorted off the field says it all.

Rizzo, GET RID OF THIS BUM!

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | September 1, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The problem started with Olsen and ended with Olsen . I am sorry for him ...but he has been unreliable...... I wish it was not so

Posted by: CBinDC | September 1, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason for the apparent change in Nyjer Morgan...first thing people want to say it may be drugs...

I personally think it is a psychological thing...maybe anger at someone or something....those bizarre plays at the plate just don't make sense...why would you go directly at the catcher when the plate is in clear view??? He had to pass the plate to even get to the catcher...never seen that done before under any circumstances...

The team better take a good look at Nyjer...something is going on in his head...

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 1, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Nieves.

One of the stranger games ever.

Let the baseball Gods will render judgment.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

John, absolutely Olsen stunk, too (and I think Riggleman left him in way too long). But the long reliever has to come in and stop the damage to either make it respectable or give your team a chance. Stammen did nothing and now we're probably going to waste...
an upper deck home run by Wil Nieves????

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

So long Rob Dibble!!!! Nats canned his ass.

Posted by: capitolhill09 | September 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"Great grammer, Ty."

"Let the baseball Gods render judgment."

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer sucks. I used to support him but not anymore. He could have scored easily last night and not hit the catcher. He deserved being whacked by Sanchez.

Posted by: WJStephens | September 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Is the lead still too big to steal bases, Chris?

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 1, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Grammar. Guh.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Hope everyone is doing well this evening. Ho hum, another boring game.

Upper Deck, Wil Nieves!?! Way to go!!

Got in late so only hearing now that Nyjer got tossed - WTF Nyjer?

Posted by: Section416akatheAlps | September 1, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Niger Morgan is a cancer to this team. I've never seen a center fielder who consistently misses his cut-off man let alone the stupid selfish things he has done recently. HE NEEDS TO GO....not a sermon just an opinion.

Posted by: zosodave | September 1, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of unwritten rules, taking Dunn out early to "get him a little rest in a blowout" isn't looking so good right now, is it?

Although, with two innings to go, we should keep in mind that Pudge and Ryan Zimmerman are still available...

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

So is the NOT SHOWING UP THE OTHER TEAM LIMIT now off .......with Maxwell running thru the stop and Harris stealing second with the Nats down 6 and the 5 runs ????

Posted by: CBinDC | September 1, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

wtf is up with Tony Plush?

Posted by: jmurray019 | September 1, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

It's a fair point, balt. I'd point out that Stammen isn't making $100,000 a start, but that neither excuses his performance nor makes Olsen's poor start more egregious.

Posted by: JohninMpls | September 1, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

So is it first team to 21 wins?
And do you have to win by 2?

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Releasing Nyjer tonight has nothing to do with how many bases he stole, what the score was when he stole them, or how many times the Marlins threw at/behind him (BTW, throwing at him and then behind him is certainly worth separating a guy's shoulder on a questionably legitimate take-out that also perhaps cost the Nats a game).

No, this has to do with (among other things): (1) not learning how to slide feet-first over the offseason and in spring training after breaking your hand sliding feet first; (2) not learning how to take pitches/bunt/hit the ball on the ground as a leadoff hitter (which is why you should be hitting eighth, if at all), (3) throwing your glove on the ground like a 12-year old little leaguer while the ball is in play to allow an inside-the park HR (I was at that game and it was unreal), (4) being one of the worst OFs at fielding a ball off the wall, (5) air mailing throws home when the runner is practically in the dugout, (5) everything that's happened in the last 2 weeks, and (6) the fact that Bernadina is a huge upgrade in CF.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Can't answer you, CB, I'm too busy looking for the piece of my soul that I lost for criticizing Nyjer...

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Ack - nice gut in left field...

Posted by: Section416akatheAlps | September 1, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Those guys out in the left field bleachers are making some nice catches tonight.

Posted by: marathoner | September 1, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I find this amazing, but...

Nyjer Morgan's 2010 OBP: .317
Justin Maxwell's 2010 OBP: .310

(as of this very moment)

More then anything, I think that illustrates how bad Morgan has been this year in regards to his number 1 job, which is getting on base and setting the table...

I was hoping the guy could work himself into a 4th OF type role and be a contributer... right now, he just scares me...

I can't believe I find myself saying this... but, crap, just play Maxwell in CF for now, at least he can play defense... hit him 8th and hope he can continue to draw walks and play good D, and pray that he can start hitting... I don't have high expectations, but again, Morgan is contributing little and has gotten a bit scary...

And please play an infield of Zimmerman/Desmond/Espinosa/Dunn/Ramos 80% of the time in September... at least!

Posted by: Ghost7 | September 1, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah his teamates are a bunch of wussies no wonder we're twenty games under .500 Nyjer tries to put his team on top last night by risking himself at the plate and all i hear is he's a dirty player and tonite Volstad throws at him not once but twice and all i hear from some of you so called fans is get rid of Nyjer no wonder this franchise is the laughing stock of pro baseball first Dibble now Nyjer.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 1, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure stealing when down by 10 is a violation of unwritten rules but it is not good strategy because you need baserunners in order to come back. Getting thrown out stealing hurts you scoring chances. I didn't see the steals but they may have not been holding him, in which case you take the base. Now stealing when you are 10 runs ahead, that is certainly considered bad form.

Posted by: Natmeister | September 1, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag, you're being an idiot.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a bummer that Mike Wise is suspended; he excels at "get in his head" sports reporting. He could do a nice long piece and find out why Morgan is off the rails.

Posted by: RightField | September 1, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It was easy for me to see tonight that Nyjer was getting ready to implode at any minute. He looked like a wild animal chained up ready to break off and just let loose..no trainer, coach, anyone?? could see that there? Given his actions the last two weeks they shouldn't have given the sideshow the opportunity to have mainstage again. Tantrum much?

Posted by: natspk | September 1, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Good on ya, Doug Slaten.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 1, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

There is something seriously wrong with Morgan; he needs help before he gets badly hurt, or causes the same to another player on his team or the opposition.

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | September 1, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Morgan didnt get thrown at the second time for stealing bases, it was for his "up yours" attitude to the Marlins. He had it coming. I'm a Nats STH, but I would have been happier if the Marlin's had beaten the stuffing out of him. There is definitely a screw loose in there.

Posted by: ammonite88 | September 1, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Good point Natmeister: Morgan is only 66% successful at stealing bases this year. And that is highly generous since it doesn't count all his pick-offs against him.

Posted by: g3jr | September 1, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow dargreg, I think you're out there on your own.

What's so bad about having a pitcher throw 2 feet behind you? You charge the mound for that? None of the throws were anywhere close to his head.

But just remove this whole week from the equation.
Nyjer has the worst OPS all qualifying outfielders in MLB. The worst.
He plays poor defense. He has a very subpar arm. He makes baserunning mistakes. He leads MLB in caught stealing.

We deserve better.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 1, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

There is something seriously wrong with Morgan; he needs help before he gets badly hurt, or causes the same to another player on his team or the opposition.

Posted by: grclarkdc1

Remember the story of Jimmy Piersall? This one is heading down that road.

Posted by: MKadyman | September 1, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I happened to flip over to the MLB Network and they were discussing the incidents that led up to the brawl. Barry Larkin and Sean Casey made some interesting points (and since they're not "so called fans," dargregmag, but actual former big leaguers, maybe you'll listen to them).

They said last night's slide wasn't dirty, just unnecessary since he had a better chance to score by sliding. They pointed out that when Nyjer slid into each base on his stolen bases tonight, he went out of his way to slide into the fielders and hard. They said that sends a message to the other team and their response will be to throw at the guy again.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Nats coaches are now talking to each other behind their caps in the dugout. HI-larious.

I wonder if the umps picked up on something that led them to toss Riggleman as well.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

NYGER MORGAN IS A THUG. RIZZO SHOULD BE VERY PROUD.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 1, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea what's in Morgan's head, balt, but unlike many here, those guys MLB Network don't see many of his steals. How often does Morgan overslide the bag?

Every. Single. Time.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Riggleman got tossed automatically when Slaten hit Sanchez. I would imagine that warnings were issued after Volstad threw behind Morgan. Once you do that, if you hit somebody, the manager goes.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Marlins manager was thrown out at the earlier incident so agree Riggs was automatic on this hit batter.

Posted by: marathoner | September 1, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

stevie, I think if you look at the replays, these slides looked a little different than his usual over slides.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

You drink during the day AND the subsequent night, skins_? Impressive.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, balt. I'll take your word for it.

And ok: if one manager is gone already, I understand the pitcher and manager being gone on the next HBP.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

So, will Morgan be suspended by MLB for charging the mound? And whatever happened to his other suspension?

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Whatever we think of Nyjer (and I think the consensus is clear), I thought Gaby Sanchez clotheslining Nyjer was cheap. Volstad is 6-foot-8 and can take care of himself against Nyjer, who is listed at 6-0, which I think is generous. Good for Slaten for drilling Sanchez.

Posted by: SilverSpring8 | September 1, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I think it'll be reduced at his hearing.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree with Sunderland on this:

But just remove this whole week from the equation.
Nyjer has the worst OPS all qualifying outfielders in MLB. The worst.
He plays poor defense. He has a very subpar arm. He makes baserunning mistakes. He leads MLB in caught stealing.

Exactly, it's not like he is an All Star player, a team leader, a sparkplug, etc etc... for all intents and purposes, he is a 30 year old career minor leaguer who showed some promise of being a quality role player at the major league level but has completely fallen on his face when given an opportunity as an everyday job... and now he is carrying a chip on his shoulder...

And it's not like he lost control in an isolated situation... he has been acting like a maniac since around the time the suspension was announced (the hearing for his appeal should be pretty interesting!)... meanwhile, I can understand his frustration at his inability to establish himself as an everyday major league player... but instead of going off the deep end, he should be appreciative of the opportunity he has gotten and be doing whatever he can to work hard and ensure he can keep a job in the majors...

anyway... with some lefthanded starters facing us this weekend against the Pirates, may as well start Maxwell in CF... Morgan could never really hit lefties anyway, not even last year...

Posted by: Ghost7 | September 1, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, am SOOOOO sorry that Morgan was actually, you know, trying to play baseball by advancing. I guess I didn't realize that teams should just quit when they are behind. Next time, the Nats should just bring the Marlins a nice plastic trophy, and the Marlins could all have their pictures taken with the trophy, and then their mommies could take them all out for ice cream!!! That would be SOOOO much better, and no one would even have to put on a uniform or play or get dirty or all scuffed up or anything!!!

Posted by: Section220 | September 1, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I didn't want to be the first one to invoke the name "Jimmy Piersall." But, man, that's beem on my mind for a couple of weeks now. Hope the Nats are offering Nyjer at least a fraction of the care and support that they've extended to Strasburg.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | September 1, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Just depressing, Morgan was my favorite thing about last season, after the draft. There was a time though where this aggressive play was more typical.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

And the baseball gods have spoken. Get rid of Morgan.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

And Riggleman and I are from the same school, apparently. Knight and I are not. Interesting.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman is supporting Nyjer in the post-game interview. Something tells me the end result out of Rizzo's office will be different.

Posted by: frenchyb | September 1, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman did a nice job of defending Nyjer in that interview. I don't agree and I wonder if he really means everything he said, but I admire him for doing it.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

They are playing a team that in all honesty deserved to be moved to DC more than the Expos.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

They are playing a team that in all honesty deserved to be moved to DC more than the Expos.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 1, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman in the post game comments just proved his soul is still intact.

Posted by: CBinDC | September 1, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

If Riggleman is defending Morgan, then he should follow Morgan out the door. Memo to the Manager--This is the guy that called you out for not defending your last stupid stunt.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

If Riggleman is defending Morgan, then he should follow Morgan out the door. Memo to the Manager--This is the guy that called you out for not defending your last stupid stunt.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer...here's something you may want to memorize....

"You want fries with that?"

Posted by: TimDz | September 1, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

How do you like Rizzo's high character guys now? Elijah Dukes never set off a brawl. Nyger Morgan was Rizzo's big pickup. This is Rizzo's guy. He went out and got him.
How do you like your thug now Mike Rizzo?

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 1, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't anyone talking about volstad hitting someone in the 2nd, someone in the 3rd, and then morgan. When he hit morgan he should have been tossed and this never would have happened. And like riggs said "we don't let them determine when we run." If the marlins don't like it f-em. We've gotten the snot beat out of us by them for years so finally someone is showing a pulse. Plus, riggs had to talk to the team just a week ago for mailing it in when we were down now we're suppose to roll over and play dead when we're down 14-3. I may not like some of nyjer's decisions in the field but god love him for showing some competitive juices. This team has been a bunch of wusses forever; I can't recall a brawl we've ever been in and for sure our pitchers never retaliate so good for slaten. Whatever happens to morgan maybe the rest of the team can take some of the fire burning in his belly.

Posted by: james67 | September 1, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Batlova1 Don't refer to me as an idiot i've seen some of your post and i could come to some interesting conclusions,and i don't mind being out there by myself especially for Nyjer you don't think Morgan isn't trying he play's hard and if he read's these post from some of you he is probably trying harder that being said why would Volstad feel it necessary to throw behind Nyjer after hitting him in the other at bat and i don't want to hear about the steals look ten runs down i appluad Nyjer for trying to spark his team but of course that was not proper baseball demeanor you know what folks this is exactly why this team will never win no guts, the only person who acted like he cared during the scrum was Livan Hernandez and now Nyjers being made out to be some type of villian PLEASE!!! If only half of the players played with some emotion maybe we wouldn't be twenty games under .500.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 1, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else kinda like Phil? (Ducking...)

Posted by: skidge | September 1, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Riggleman's post game comments are about as equally dumb as Morgan's antics. What a pair. They deserve each other.
MLB won't be as ridiculous as Riggleman. Morgan may be suspended the rest of the way. Hopefully.
Again I ask:
HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR THUG NOW MIKE RIZZO.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 1, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Let just all pile on Morgan. After getting hit he stole some bases and this is somehow bad form. Bad form would have been charging the mound then. Apparently when you are down 14-3 you are meant to lose quietly. Thats news to me. I didn't much care for Morgan antics before tonight but with the mob mentality on this board - bravo for Morgan.

Posted by: CountDemoney | September 1, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

skins--No, Elijah was a lover, not a fighter. Would have been perfect for the 'skins.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Exactly dargregmag! The third base coach has more fire than most of the team.

Posted by: james67 | September 1, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

God, this franchise has loser fans. Oh thank you for hitting me, now I will stand on first and if the next guy gets a hit only advance to second. He steals bases when he gets on. That is why he would have led the league if not hurt last year. Dunn hit home runs and whiffs a lot. I cannot believe that so called Nats fans criticize a guy for trying to SCORE when the team is down. If he does not steal they do not score.

Posted by: golo1 | September 1, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

According to Rizzo (mid-2009), Nyjer Morgan "is the best center fielder in baeball."

So, using Rizzo's calculator, you've got to conclude that Riggleman is "the best manager in baseball."

The MLB front office will take care of Nyjer, but who will take care of Riggleman?

Posted by: JohnRDC | September 1, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Everybody talking about nyjer and his "bad form" should take a long look at the marlins bad form for hitting a 2nd guy up 10-3 then morgan when they were up 14-4 then trying to hit morgan again. Quit feeling sorry for the marlins and if they were offended or not.

Posted by: james67 | September 1, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

skins_fan_22 Your true colors are showing by refering to Nyjer as a thug(repeatedly) he hasn't had one iota of trouble with the authorities but of course that doesn't matter to you he's black so he's a thug and yes that 's a term that is mostly associated with young african-americans.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 1, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm with dargramps and 222 on this one. Nyjer got hit, he stole 2 bases, well, SO WOULD I, and don't forget his stolen bases turned into a run.

Posted by: Nats_Lady | September 1, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

You can look at any of Morgan's so called indescretions over the last week and individually make excuses for them, but when it happens night after night you have to think there is something wrong with the guy. Maybe if he was an all star you could defend him a little more and maybe its the fact he has the lowest OPS of all outfielders in all of baseball that is driving him crazy, but you leave this guy in the lineup and bad things will continue to happen. You get in that scrum and see Zim blow out his knee or Zimm hurt his arm and you realize that sooner or later someone else on this team is going to have to pay for his constant stupidity.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 1, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Dargregmag...you're not all alone. There are a few that like the fire that TPlush brought tonight. Sure...over the top a little on the way out but Volsted had it coming and deserved a good scrum. THis team needs a fire lit under it and nobody else was doing it. He took the first HBP like a trooper...trotted right to first. that should have been it. Kudos for not rolling over and playing dead. I, for one, like the fire.

Posted by: Naugatuck-Nats | September 1, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

balt, if you're still up, I can't believe I don't get any credit for my "I think [Morgan's suspension] will be reduced at his hearing," line. C'mon, man, THAT was funny.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

When you trade a used bag of baseballs to another team you get guys in return like the thug who patrols CF for the awful franchise in DC. To only call him a bush leaguer would not suffice. Too bad they couldn't hit him again. When is this team leaving?

Posted by: jwing14 | September 1, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, dargregmag, I noticed the "thug" also... would anyone use that term about a white player who was equivalent to Nyjer in other ways? (And that's totally independent of how I feel about Nyjer, which is not so good...)

Posted by: skidge | September 1, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop with the "thug" comments. You really reveal yourself when you say stuff like that.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

You can look at any of Morgan's so called indescretions over the last week and individually make excuses for them, but when it happens night after night you have to think there is something wrong with the guy. Maybe if he was an all star you could defend him a little more and maybe its the fact he has the lowest OPS of all outfielders in all of baseball that is driving him crazy, but you leave this guy in the lineup and bad things will continue to happen. You get in that scrum and see Zim blow out his knee or Zimm hurt his arm and you realize that sooner or later someone else on this team is going to have to pay for his constant stupidity.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 1, 2010 11:09 PM |

I'll go a step further, next time Morgan has a beef with someone, it may well be one of his teammates.

I don't think he's a thug - he hasn't acted this way before (at least not in D.C.). But something is seriously wrong, and he's obviously become a distraction.

Posted by: frenchyb | September 1, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

jwing14 - you talking about the thug sean burnett? Was and still is a great trade.

Posted by: james67 | September 1, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

skins_fan_22 Your true colors are showing by refering to Nyjer as a thug(repeatedly) he hasn't had one iota of trouble with the authorities but of course that doesn't matter to you he's black so he's a thug and yes that 's a term that is mostly associated with young african-americans.
Posted by: dargregmag

Are you high? Seriously. Nyger Morgan no problem with authorities??!! He was suspended last week by the authority of MLB for throwing at an innocent fan in the stands. I don't care what color he is.
THUGS COME IN ALL COLORS DUMMY.

MIKE RIZZO HOW DO YOU LIKE YOUR THUG NYGER MORGAN NOW?

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 1, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Uh, stevie you know I was referring to the earlier comment, right?

Posted by: skidge | September 1, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Yep, skidge. You and I were commenting at the same time.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Those who are defending Nyjer's "fire" obviously have not been watching many Nats' games this year. His "fire" has cost us baserunners, runs and games since pretty much the beginning of the year. Interesting how quickly the brawl ended once Nyjer left the scene tonight.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

When you've even lost the mellow Chick Hernandez who said of Morgan, "That young man has issues", well maybe it's time to mosey on down the line.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 1, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Fun thing in the brawl - watch Adam Dunn peel someone off the pile. You see him bend down like he's gonna pick something up, then fall backwards, and then you see that he just picked up a Marlins player by the torso and flipped him over.

Not so fun - Nyjer continuing to lose focus and make ridiculous decisions. I know it's hard to remember but he actually showed good baseball sense when he came here last year. Something's really up with him.

Posted by: 202character | September 1, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh, my bad longhaul. I didn't realize morgan made all 102 errors for us this year (morgan ranks 3rd by the way with cubs and marlins ahead of him).

Posted by: james67 | September 1, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Not disagreeing with you about Morgan and "fire" and whatever, haul, but the "brawl" didn't end once Morgan left the scene.

Slaten and Riggleman were tossed for hitting Sanchez.

That's just baseball. Learn it, love it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Of course, it is nice to see the 2 NL East bottom-dwellers play like sh_it matters.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

James67 - I forgot about Sean "Cy Young" Burnett and his 0-9 record. Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 1, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

James67 - forgot about Sean "Cy Young' Burnett and his 0-9 record. Thanks for the reminder. It takes special players like this to be 150 games under .500 since arriving. It's hard to be that bad.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 1, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

jwing - Figures lie and liars figure....burnett top ten in holds with a 2 something era. Hanrahan is at 3.81.

Not saying we got strasburg for a bag of balls but you're acting like we got nothing. Burnett is a fine pitcher and better than hanranhan.

Posted by: james67 | September 1, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Well said, longhaul, well said. Too bad people like james67 apparently can't read.

Just to clarify, james, nobody's saying Nyjer made all of those errors himself. He just makes more mistakes than he makes up for with his good plays. He's a net loss as a player. The supposed "fire" he brings doesn't make up for that. It's "fake hustle" that does more to draw attention to the individual than it does help the team.

And darg, if you don't want to be called an idiot, maybe you shouldn't call people who disagree with you "so-called fans." I'm sorry but I get tired of reading your diatribes about the team needing "guts" and "fire." They didn't lose tonight because they lacked guts and fire, they lost because their pitchers couldn't get anybody out.

BTW, let's see what Nyjer's "fire" does for him next year when he needs to find a new place to play. I'm betting a lot of teams won't share your high regard for his "fire."

Posted by: baltova1 | September 1, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

james67--you're correct, no errors are charged when: (1) you constantly crash into the wall and allow baserunners to advance when the right play would have been to concede the hit and play the ball off the wall; (2) you are picked off in the late innnings of a close ballgame; (3) you don't take pitches, you can't bunt or hit the ball on the ground when you are the leadoff hitter; (4) take out the catcher when a slide would have given your team the lead in extra innings. Do I need to go on?

And, regarding the brawl, it did end after Nyjer left the scene, in all due respect of course. I've been in my share of basebrawls, and the Stanton HBP was for the uniform, not the man.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 1, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Like somebody said a number of posts above, I really hope the result out of Rizzo's office re: N. Morgan is different from the unequivocal craptastic support out of Riggs' mouth in the postgame show. Lord. So he thought everything Nyjer did was fine, basically. The club got rid of Dukes for being a not-incredible player and somewhat menacing and volatile behind the scenes, while ole Morgan gets trotted out there night after night. It better end before he breaks someone's neck.

Posted by: samantha7 | September 1, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

That's just convoluted, haul. But okay . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 1, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

What a scene: folks throwing punches, jumping on each other, cursing, spitting. And the there was what went on on the field.

dargregmag, I admire your guts in sticking to your defense Nyger. He HAS done some good things, and I've tried to keep an open mind about him. But even before tonight, I'm thinking his stats just don't cut it as a regular CF on a winning team.

The video of what happened tonight looks pretty bad for him. When the adrenaline wears off, he may be hurt. Other Nats and Marlins could be injured. Hey, this isn't hockey.

Was he right to steal, down by so many runs? Maybe not, but it was his revenge, and he should have aimed for the same thing when Volstad threw behind him. It got Volstad ejected. Charging the mound didn't help.

I hope we see an outfield of Maxwell, Bernadina and Morse on Friday.

Posted by: nats24 | September 2, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of Morgan's season, especially his recent escapades, HOWEVER, the Marlins threw at him once. Fair enough, it's over. If they don't want him to steal: 1)pick him off or throw him out on the basepath or 2) don't put him on base in the first place.

The Nationals organization cannot allow open season on throwing at a member of the organization, period. I am not defending Morgan's actions or demeanor before the second time the Marlins threw at him. I am astonished that people who consider themselves to be Nationals fans think it's okay for opponents to continue to "retaliate" after the first incident of throwing at a member of the team?! I suppose the next time a National hits a home run it'll be okay with you all if the opposing pitcher throws at the next batter. That's "old school" baseball too, of the type that the players and the game have mostly evolved beyond, praise Jesus.

Morgan deserved the first plunking, but throwing behind him the second time? Not now, not ever. Your Washington Nationals cannot and should not accept that from an opponent on the field.

Posted by: gonats3 | September 2, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

@nats24: Nah, you have to visit the mound after getting thrown at for a second time in a game. Just have to. That part's mandatory, and to do otherwise would not be good for the Nats in the real "long haul."

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 2, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

(Another couple simultaneous comments making the same point. I like the way you think, gonats.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 2, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Skins_Fan, how come you not calling R. Dibble a thug for his recent bad behavior and issues with authority? Your attraction to the tattoos on Dibble's pale white skin must be clouding your judgment.

Posted by: HonestBroker1 | September 2, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

The Gnats since being gifted the 50-31 start in 2005 are 351-512 -- it takes lousy players like the CF to make that even possible.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 2, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Screw the Marlins. Nice to see the Nats show some passion for a change.

Posted by: RireGrist | September 2, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Draw distinctions here, folks. If Zimm had been thrown at a second time, they'd still be fighting. Nyjer being thrown at, and then behind (not at), reflects his body of work, which includes the cheap shot in St. Louis. I'm sure the Cards clubhouse was probably cheering tonight. It's not a matter of being a puzzy, it's a matter of justice, MLB-style. I guarantee you, Zimm, Dunn, etc. we're not in overdrive when they went out there to defend their "teammate".

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 2, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

So your saying the Marlins are taking up for the Cards?

Posted by: RireGrist | September 2, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Thaaaat's what he's saying.

And no, they wouldn't still be fighting, haul: Zimm would've been tossed out (for going to the mound), then Slaten and Riggleman would've been thrown out for the HBP on Sanchez.

Hence the, that's just baseball.

But whatever, I know I'm not gonna change your mind.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 2, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Would Zimm charge the mound? I see him just stepping out of the box and giving a cold, deliberate stare.

Of course, if he did charge the mound, he's big enough to actually have a shot. Nyjer had to jump off of one foot to even through that missed punch at Volstad. What good did he think could come of that encounter?

Posted by: 202character | September 2, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

It actually glanced, 202. Volstad was sporting the shiner on his cheek.

And again, it's not about winning a fight or whatever. This is baseball, remember. You just have to go after the second time. Have to.

But I repeat myself. Time for bed.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 2, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I agree. The second time behind the back was not warranted. Especially up 10 runs. Morgan did what most of us would have done and gone after the pitcher.
Sanchez protected his pitcher...ok...I get that. But the video showed him turning, kneeling and throwing a punch in. He should have been ejected also.

Posted by: M20832 | September 2, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh, yeah...Olsen really pitched well for his $100,000, didn't he....?

Posted by: M20832 | September 2, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

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