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Game 147 discussion thread: Nationals at Phillies

The Nationals, by rule, have been abominable against the Phillies in recent seasons. They went 6-12 against Philadelphia in both 2007 and 2008, then made that record look glorious in 2009, when the Phillies beat them 15 times in 18 games.

With six games to go against the Phillies, the Nationals have a chance to reverse that trend. They are currently 5-7 against the Phillies this season, already two more wins than last season.

Tonight, the Nationals will face Roy Oswalt, whose 6-1 record and 1.98 ERA since he was traded to the Nationals seemingly offers little promise. However, the Nationals dealt Oswalt his lone loss in a Phillies uniform, and this year the Nationals are hitting .286/.364/.411 against Oswalt, having beaten him twice including their one meeting when Oswalt still pitched for Houston.

Jason Marquis, who is Jewish, will start tonight on the first night of Yom Kippur. Marquis has said he made a decision when he entered the league he would pitch on Jewish holidays if the schedule demanded.

Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  September 17, 2010; 6:50 PM ET
 
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Natinals have 16 games left, 9 of those against teams fighting for the NL East and Wildcard. Those won't be easy at all.

Fighting Showalters have 16 games left, only 6 of those against teams fighting for the AL East and Wildcard. They have a series against a team (Toronto) they just swept, a series against Boston who's packed it in, and a series against Detroit, a team they just took 2/3 from.

I think the O's can easily make up 4 games. Plus the Philles come down the Natinal Park for a 3 game series and you know that's gonna be very much like home games for the Phillies. I wouldn't be surprised to see Natinal Park sold out, filled with 2/3 Philly fans.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 17, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

New episode of Ghost Adventures tonight!!

BOO-yah

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Here's hoping that Marquis has an easy fast, and pitches well tonight.

Posted by: BinM | September 17, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay, so much for easy and fast. Get the bullpen up, he's got nothing.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

It's getting ready to get ugly!!.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 17, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise. Another nightmare 1st inning. Only happened what, 80 times this year? Unbelievable.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | September 17, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Get him out! Get him out!

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think he can get Oswalt out? I wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Ha! I knew it. This is a stinker that looks a lot like April. Game over. Might as well let Olsen pitch 5 innings now.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Dammit.

Posted by: BinM | September 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know the score of the Natinals/Phillies game?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 17, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

When your starting pitcher allows the opposing pitcher to get to a 3-2 count with the bases loaded, the red flags are already waving....

Then when you allow the unthinkable it's time to turn away from that pitcher and start looking at others....regardless of their contract situation....Marquis should be done for the rest of the season...let;'s look at some other promising arms if there are any....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Marquis should have celebrated Yom Kippur tonight...

Posted by: TimDz | September 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Note to Rizzo: Add 1 major league starting pitcher at the top of your shopping list.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Marquis made the wrong decision to pitch tonite...he made that perfectly clear very early tonite....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Now there's a veteran pitcher showing a rookie how it's done. Let's hope he learns something from that.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Safe to assume God is punishing Marquis for pitching on Yom Kippur?

Posted by: baltova1 | September 17, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice play by Dunn to his glove side for the 3-1 putout.

Posted by: BinM | September 17, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Jason Markie = High Priced Gas Can

Posted by: jwing14 | September 17, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Ah, so that's what it's supposed to look like.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

this is BS. The game ought to be 3-1 right now, but for a freaking ump who couldn't get out of the damn way. hey Blue - ITS YOUR JOB not to interfere with a ball in play. I'm pissed.

Posted by: DCguy7 | September 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I think this story either explains the Nationals' problems for the past couple of years or offers them a solution for the future:

From the Associated Press:

LOME, Togo -- The mystery Togo team that played Bahrain in an international soccer exhibition was made up of "unidentified players and their shadowy handlers" and belonged to a "mafia group," the country's sports minister told the Associated Press on Wednesday.

Christophe Tchao said the team, which lost 3-0 in an apparently innocuous game at Bahrain's National Stadium, did not have any authorization from Togo's Ministry of Sport -- which is required for teams representing the country.

"This rule was not complied with by the group of unidentified players and their shadowy handlers," Tchao told the AP. "It is obvious that the players belonged to a mafia group who aided and abetted them to leave Togo without authorization."

Posted by: baltova1 | September 17, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Damn, this lineup misses Willingham.

Posted by: BinM | September 17, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Given how much better the bullpen has been than the bulk of the starters, maybe the Nats should go with a three man rotation and just let the bullpen handle the in-between games.

Just as they have a "quality starts" stat, maybe they should have a "big time stinky starts" stat. It would be Marquis' chance to lead the league in something.

Posted by: lesatcsc | September 17, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Nationals should allow Listach to interview for the MIL or Cubs Mgr's job. Sending Pudge on an 'in-between' fly to CF is just the kind of decision that we need another team to make on a regular basis.

Posted by: BinM | September 17, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Some quality work from Miss Iowa tonight. Well done, Miguel.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 17, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Good to know that putting Harris and Maxwell in the starting lineup didn't eliminate our deep cache of bench guys who can't hit .200.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 17, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone got a Nats/Phils score update?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 17, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse


Just when things were looking up --

the return of the Marquis de Sade

Posted by: Drew8 | September 17, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Harris (.187BA) over Morse in RF, Maxwell (.140) in for Morgan in CF, Mench (.167) as a PH for Batista - This team has no bench.

And the insults just fail to stop - Olsen replaces Batista, and surrenders a solo HR to Werth with one out, but gets a 5-4-3 DP to get out of the inning. 7-1 Phillies, end of five.

Posted by: BinM | September 17, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Kennedy decelerating through 1st base. Good to see the Nats not wasting any extra energy.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | September 17, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Poopy must be cleaning up after his kids in the bathroom again ...

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Have to believe Riggleman's days are numbered ... have to.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Keep the faith Natinal fans. They can still come back and sock it to the Phillies.

They can still win this!!!!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 17, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

@Baltova...I have no idea what this story has to do with the Nats, but it is one of the weirdest I have ever heard. Boy, I'd love to know all of the back story.

I knew that Marquis would lose tonight. God's punishing him.

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | September 17, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

OK, I just read some of the other stories on this incident, fraud, game, whatever.

The next time someone tells you that baseball players cheat by using 'roids, or faking being hit by a pitched ball, or doctoring a baseball: you tell them: "You call that cheating...this is cheating"

Posted by: mikecatcher50 | September 17, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I think the Lerners might like this "fake team" thing, mikecatcher50. It's gotta be cheaper than signing free agents...

Posted by: baltova1 | September 17, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

My thanks to the commenters here. It's not exactly gallows humor, but it's fun to read.

Posted by: JohnRDC | September 17, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Well Marquis got Yom Kippur-ed pretty good tonight.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo has a lot of soul searching to do when this season is over...fans feeling good about 3 potential starting pitchers coming back in Aug or early Sept. from injuries and none of them really panning out...

No more promising rehab guys next year except Strasburg who did deliver when healthy....time for some tough love next year as far as starters are concerned unless trades are made...

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 17, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

What's the status on the Japanese pitcher rehabbing??? Will he show before the season is over????

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 17, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Probably both pentagon40, probably some of both. Rizzo has to make a decision about trading prospects to get a proven top of the rotation starter or two ... he probably has enough decent prospects to get at least one from a team looking to slash payroll.

As we all can see .. Dunn is not the biggest problem he has ... by a long shot.

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@pentagon40,

You mean the Taiwanese pitcher Wang? Rizzo was asked about him ... if you go to the MASN blogs he has one there ... if you read back a bit you will find the status I think.

Basically, his shoulder injury is taking longer to heal than everyone thought ... he's barely out of rehabbing it ...

Now the Nationals have a decision to make. Do they pick up his option hoping he makes it back in 2011? I wouldn't depend on it ... shoulders are far more serious than TJ surgeries. Shawn Hill had both. The Chief suffered from shoulder as well.


Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Someone should send a Yom Kippur Golem to get Poopy where he lives ... ;)

Posted by: periculum | September 17, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the F.O.F. take a left on Dunn's double play grounder in the eigth i mean he didn't even attempt to slide and try to break up the twin killing, way to set an example golden boy had that been Nyjer some of you would screamin DFA!!! him. Sharon Martis should have been called up, he had a winning record a 4.09 era and he couldn't have been any worse then what we've seen this year.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 17, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Any chance the Golem made a wrong turn and ended up in the National's club house tonight. As hard as it was to watch imagine living through it as a player.

Posted by: norfolkoms | September 17, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I like periculum's idea about the Golem. And, as norfolkoms suggests, that Golem went farther north, straight into the Nationals' dugout.

Posted by: samantha7 | September 17, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

It would be hard for the Nats to pick up the option on Wang seeing as they wasted money on him this year.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 18, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

@dargreg
Unless you shut down all your others starters, there's just not room for Martis or Chico. I would agree, however, that they deserve a good look in spring training.

Posted by: nats24 | September 18, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Zimmerman is just waiting for his extension to expire, so he can joing a MLB club.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 18, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Zimmerman is just waiting for his extension to expire, so he can joing a MLB club.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 18, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have an update on the Yankees-Blowrioles game?

Posted by: Kev29 | September 18, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Kev.....

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

Trolls need their beauty sleep.

Posted by: TimDz | September 18, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Kev29/TimDz; Yeah, don't upset Poopy he probably is on suicide watch this am after the "import" blew another save, last time it was Swisher with a walk off, last night it was A-Rod with a 3run bomb to snatch a victory from the Showalters, gotta love that!

Posted by: dargregmag | September 18, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Funny you all can only spout off about the Fighting Showalters after the fact. So awesome.

What's sad is deep down you all now know the O's are headed in the right direction, while the Natinals will keep floundering. Deep down you all know if the O's/Natinals faced each other the O's would win handily.

Oh it's hard for a Golem to come get me when he got caught up in a fight with The Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Easter Bunny, and Mothra.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 18, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Marquis was signed for 2 years at I believe $14 mil...he robbed them this year but he would be on a short leash with me next year...A decent spring training next year and say his first 5 starts would determine if I would keep him...If necessary cut him then and don't look back..

No more dealings with Wang period...not his fault of course and he gets paid but dealing with PITCHERS with arm and shoulder problems and signing them hoping and praying they will come around should be a no-no with management in the future...too many able bodied arms around and I'd rather take a chance on one of them developing...

The team needs to stop fooling around and sign Dunn...he is a proven and concentrate on making him a better fielding 1st baseman in spring training...with Willingham, Bernadina and Morse in the outfield that is more than enough power to concentrate on our pitching fiasco....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 18, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I could be completely off base as it's been five years now, but it seems to me that the Nats had a decent record against the Phils in '05 (not sure about '06 ...). In other words, while the team has been dismal against Philly the past couple seasons, it seems to me that blanket statements like "as a rule", should perhaps be avoided.
Now The Marlins: well that's a different story ...

Posted by: mgilham | September 18, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

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