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Game 149 discussion thread: Nationals at Phillies

Yunesky Maya is starting today, and his primary task may be saving the overworked bullpen. It would be hard to drain the Nationals bullpen, but the Nationals starters this weekend -- Jason Marquis and Jordan Zimmermann -- have been up to the challenge. Relievers have accounted for 38 of 48 outs this series.

For the season, the Nationals have moved to the heels of the Pittsburgh Pirates in terms of most innings pitched by a bullpen. Nationals relievers have thrown 495 1/3 innings, the Pirates' 496. The Padres are next with 473 1/3 innings. The Nationals and Pirates are like Federer-Nadal in the prime when it comes to abusing their bullpen. Hard to say which one is better, but they are head, shoulders and chest above everyone else.

Today, the Nationals are also trying to escape a sweep at the hands of the Phillies. They get a crack at Joe Blanton and his 5.00 ERA.

Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  |  September 19, 2010; 1:20 PM ET
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Natinals are gonna swept out of Philly like the dirty dogs that they are.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 19, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Nice 2nd inning by Maya; I saw the implosion occuring.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Blind squirrel alert - Harris homers to RF! 1-0 Nationals.

Posted by: BinM | September 19, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

"Blind squirrel". That's one observational remark for which we can remember Dibble.

Posted by: Slidell | September 19, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Sans any trade or the miracle of a Cliff Lee signing in the offseason. You are looking at the only top-of-the-rotation starter for 2011. JZimmnn and Detwiler just do not look ready.

Posted by: periculum | September 19, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Harris 9 HR in 205 AB. Morse 10HR in 225 AB. Desmond 10 HR in 472 AB. There are plenty of things you can pick on with Willie this year, not sure his HR hitting is one of them.

Posted by: marathoner | September 19, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Wee Willie Harris is a lousy ball player who is lucky there is a minor league team playing in MLB.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 19, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

One could say the same thing about Maxwell Marathoner.

Posted by: periculum | September 19, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Morse ... ;)

Posted by: periculum | September 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Just pointing out that a .183 hitter can find a pitch to drive on occaision. But I'd give up all of those HR's for a .240-.260 bench bat with gap power. It just seems that Harris's AB results have been either BB/HR/K this year.

Posted by: BinM | September 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: thepostischeap | September 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Just checking the game...just wondering how many innings Clippard pitched and why didn't they let him pitch the 9th....seems if a pitcher is gooing ok why take him out just to put a guy who is a the stopper like for NOW IF NEEDED.....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 19, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, Storen is our closer and he learned the hard way what a tough team the Phillies are. Tough loss for the Nats.

Posted by: thepostischeap | September 19, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

And Riggleman's 'by rote' desisions once again turn victory into defeat. Storen comes in, gets pummelled, and racks up another loss. DAMMIT!

Posted by: BinM | September 19, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Good teams like the Phils do what's necessary to beat bad to team like Nats. Just playing with Nats and Phils get the sweep again! This is Natinals baseball!

Posted by: jwing14 | September 19, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Ramos better be worth it but I am really missing Capps. Storen just isn't cutting it.

Posted by: CountDemoney | September 19, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Sad....sad....with runners on 2nd and 3rd no outs, 3 run lead in ninth, I would have walked Howard for possible force out at any base...I know hindsight is easy but it was Howard..Lucky he didn't hit a 3run it was he knocked in two....Oh well.....Riggleman has to take the blame for this one with that pitching move in the 9th....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 19, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Better for Storen to get his brains beaten out now and learn something from it instead of two years down the road when, hopefully, it will matter.

Posted by: SorenKierkegaard | September 19, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

HE IS NOT THE CLOSER; PERIOD! This game is just the latest example of why Drew Storen cannot and i repeat cannot be the closer almost every time he comes in he put's runners on base a cardinal sin for any closer, and Riggleman should have known better although i am not going to blame him for this loss man talk about an individual choke job.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Soren. If he's the closer, let him be the closer. And if he doesn't get the job done right now, that just means one more loss in a losing season.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

@THEPOSTISCHEAP: I hear you and understand about the closer but sometimes when your middle reliever is doing good it would seem wise to stick with them...

To use a guy in the ninth because he is a CLOSER doesn't guarantee victory...this closer didn't get ANYONE out...Clippard couldn't have done any worse....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 19, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone blaming Riggleman for putting his closer in with a 3-run lead in the 9th? That's what every manager would do. Yes, it didn't work out, but he made the right move. No one would be whining if Storen mowed them down and closed the door. But, on the other hand, Storen is a rookie and he was facing the heart of the toughest lineup in baseball. That's a high-pressure situation for any pitcher and Storen's nerves obviously got the best of him. I guess it had to happen sooner or later. The Phillies are a tough team and they kept fighting, and Storen didn't have his best stuff today - that's why we lost. I didn't see Riggs out there giving up four runs in the ninth.

I hope the Phillies get swept in the first round of the playoffs (or better yet, somehow collapse in the last two weeks and not even make the playoffs...I can always dream, right?).

Just my 1/50th of a dollar.

Posted by: thepostischeap | September 19, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry but again the frustration continues.
I am not a big believer of Riggleman and believe he should be replaced but you can't fault him on today, Storen is the closure and was suppose to do the deed.
Now we have seen this before from Storen, this is the third or fourth blown save from him compared to four saves for the year.
Do we just be patient with this guy?
The one nice thing is that he is getting a lot of experience with this on the job training but for the fans it's a total turnoff.

Think it's time to demote Mr. Storen and let him earn the closure role. Sean Burnett has shown us so much more in the last couple of weeks and should be the guy, for the time being.

Again a totally frustrated day of baseball, wonder how Bobby Cox and the Braves must feel.

Posted by: Golfersal | September 19, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

What do we have for 2011?

One starter -- Livo.

Some decent middle relief, but nothing changes more from year to year.

No closer -- but no problem because we'll rarely have a 9th inning lead.

An all-star 3B who will regress and make 25 throwing errors because he loses the big target he likes at 1B.

A 30 error SS who is the team leader.

A leadoff CF who can neither run nor hit, but is a good hockey player.

A 36 year old FA 1B with no power and no range, while Dunn hits 45 for someone.

2 LF but no RF because Morse can't hit (and his defense admittedly is suspect)

A 39 year old catcher with no power and an affinity for GIDPs starting 75% of the time (Riggs has to respect those vets)

Willie as the star off the bench -- may the Mendoza line at least come into view

Maybe an increase to 68 wins from 2010's 65 (if we get hot the last 13 games). Even Manny -- aka the worst manager ever -- won 73 his first year.

And the pretend Plan plays on...

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | September 19, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"An all-star 3B who will regress and make 25 throwing errors because he loses the big target he likes at 1B.".

Despite your prophetic middle eye, I doubt Zimmerman will make 25 errors next season.

"2 LF but no RF because Morse can't hit (and his defense admittedly is suspect)"

Alas, Morse is hitting .300 with a slugging percentage comparable to Zimmerman.

"A 36 year old FA 1B with no power and no range, while Dunn hits 45 for someone."

Continuing your near epic run of two fallacies per sentence....

Posted by: driley | September 19, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

yeah I'm very disappointed about this year for the Nats. They started so well - every aspect of the game - remember? we were talking potential play off team SERIOUSLY. They were winning close games, winning over good teams and dominating bad teams. And then..that trip out west and the break - now we're lucky to be just a few games better than last year. Especially with all the hype of the starting pitchers that were supposed to come in here at the mid point of the season and help the team into the playoffs - and none did. including Strasburg.
AHHH so frustrating.

Posted by: my1xrulz | September 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, Chien-Ming Wang will be back any day now to help turn this ship around...

Posted by: Ghost7 | September 19, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Since 50-31 start to baseball in DC back in 2005 -- 355 wins and 540 losses (that is 185 games under .500 Natinals fans! This is Nat Town!

Posted by: jwing14 | September 19, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Watched the Nats lose in the final moments. Crushing.
Turned the channel to the Redskins and watched them lose in the final moments.
Ain't it fun being a Washington sports fan?!?

Posted by: 1stBaseCoach | September 19, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey I can't see any scores could someone tell me who won between the Natinals and the Phillies? Also could someone fill me in on who won between the Fighting Showalter's of Baltimore and the Yankees?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 19, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh nevermind, just found 'em.

Looks like the Orioles WON with a walk-off hit in the 11th.

Oh, also looks like the Natinals lost with a walk-off homer by Werth.

Fighting Showalter's of Baltimore are now only 3 games behind the lowly, sinking Natinals.

Talk about sad, the O's were on pace to easily lose over 100 games. Now it looks like they'll finish better than the Natinals.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 19, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

If the Post does not ban Ms. McPoop, I'm out of here. I get *** rubbed in face watching the Nats. I don't a site infected with spam.

Posted by: nats24 | September 20, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

I should have said "need a site.'' Believe me,loose stools, if i ever found out who you were, I'd happily punch you lights out. Get out of here!

Posted by: nats24 | September 20, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Well done sir. Seriously, you had me laughing so hard it brought tears to my eyes.

Oh, and Natinal fans, Jayson Werth used to Orioles prospect.

Oh that's gotta be a kick in the pants.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad I'm costing you sleep, poop. My hatred of the team the team that shall not be mentioned goes back to the '50s when Clark G. inexplicably allowed the Browns to move to Bal'mer. You owe everything to DC, dude, and thank your owner for me for your decade of success.

Posted by: nats24 | September 20, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Clark G?

You talking about Clark Griswold? Seriously, National Lampoons Xmas vacation is one of my all time favorite movies.

Oh, and the O's end the season with a better record than the Senators, I mean Twins, I mean Seantors, I mean Rangers, I mean Expos, I mean Nationals.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, the Post tends to do a better job of ignoring trolls than its readership does. Maybe the trolls work for the Post? Some do seem to be able to make repeated, sequential posts without running into the frequent post ban gremlin. hmmm... ;-)

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 20, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

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