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Game 158 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Phillies

Tonight will be the final start of Jason Marquis's season, one that went basically nothing like the Nationals hoped it would. He enters tonight having made 12 starts and winning two. His ERA is 7.18. So this'll be his last chance to salvage something from his year.

Roy Oswalt goes for the Phillies, who have the best record in the National League locked up with five games to go. Probably because of this, old friend Brian Schneider gets the start behind the dish.

It's a pleasant night for baseball, and the purple-orange sky above Nationals Park is gorgeous. Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  | September 28, 2010; 7:00 PM ET
 
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Even with the Phillies 'resting' a number of their starters tonight, there is still an amazing disparity in salary...

Phillies' starting lineup (total salary) = $70.972M
Nationals starting lineup (total salary) = 24.633M

Juan-John, better get another stiff drink ready, I'm afraid.

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

How long before the remaining 21 Natinal fans in attendance leave, leaving Natinal Park filled entirely with Phillies fans.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

So let's put the small crowds this month at Nationals Park in perspective.

Full article at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/29/sports/baseball/29attendance.html?hp

Posted by: Meridian1 | September 28, 2010 5:22 PM

BS. The Reds have been bad for years, like the Nats. Their season ti jet base reflects that. You get the attendance that last years team deserved. The Braves have also been out of contention for about 4 years and they play in a pretty fickle market. The Rays still haven't recovered from ten years of awful.

Every city has people worried about the economy, school kids and weather. If the Nats had a good team over the last couple years and were in contention on a rainy school night, they'd have the place nearly full. Stop finding excuses - we suck. Attendance is getting worse because we've been terrible for 5 years.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 28, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The guy with an alleged BA in English doesn't know that questions end with a question mark, not a period.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I see the 'ole grammar/internet spelling police is active today.

Got any collars today boys? Any donuts left over?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Next thing you know gilbert will be getting on peoples cases for using 'b4'

Gotta love that he can't over anything substantive about the Natinals and their terrible attendance woes so he has to attack the messenger.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Got anything of substance or intelligence to offer, or is all just snark & bluster, like it is on the other WaPo Blogs?

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"Gotta love that he can't over anything substantive about the Natinals..."
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Hmmm... sorta LOOKS like English...

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"... and their terrible attendance woes so he has to attack the messenger."

Nah. Just pointing out that our education system has truly fallen on evil times when a public institution of higher learning grants degrees to people who clearly still struggle to achieve basic competence in their chosen field of endeavor.

Do you disagree?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Nice clutch pitching by Marquis.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Despi!

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Actually what's truly a failure is someone taking proper grammar seriously on an internet blog.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Assult neither the message, or the messenger; Rather, question the substance of the message being delivered, and respond accordingly.

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

So the message that the Natinals homepark is constantly turned into Citizens Bank Park South isn't accurate, and thus needs attacking?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Clippard with 87 innings and 105 K's this year. That's a lot of work. You know that most relievers level off after a season like that, and then decline more rapidly. Scott Olsen was crying about going to the bullpen because it's tough, and he has no upper body strength. I just hope they don't kill him.

Posted by: Brue | September 28, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash Poopy your team is not interesting, but really cheap but also stooooopid. Angelos is such a dolt.


- Filtering out teams with winning records, the 2nd least efficient teams thus far in 2010 is the Baltimore Orioles requiring approximately $1.5 million in payroll per win.
from Forbes ...

Poopy is an idiot so of course he would be the fan of a team run by idiots.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually what's truly a failure is someone taking proper grammar seriously on an internet blog.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 8:47 PM
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Actually, some of us have little or no trouble writing clearly and well, even if we weren't English majors and even if English wasn't our first language. And we don't claim, "It's only a blog" as if that were an excuse for lazy, sloppy writing.

Should be second nature for someone with a B.A. in English.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Brue: Clippard will likely suffer a down year in 2011, simply because of the overall volative nature of bullpen pitchers; Hopefully, it won't be an epic collapse due to his prior experience as a starter (arm & core strength).

Only time will tell; Other pitchers have seen more appearances, and thrown more innings in a season & survived.

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Criticism of other people's spelling and grammar coming from someone who uses his kids' toilet humor as a handle?

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know how the Baltimore team did tonight?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Under the heading "you have to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em and trade 'em away" ..

Clippard might seem attractive to certain teams.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Guess again.

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Rats, the Orioles JV-team lost? Heavens to Betsy.

You know your own team (the Natinals) is just as pathetic when all you can obsess about is barely beating the Orioles in the standings.

Of course come next year the O's will be leaps and bounds better than the Natinals.

Hope this post passes the grammar police and their smell test.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

DoubleSwitch Riggleman is absolutely priceless. He gets tossed because his beloved boyfriend Willie Harris, a substitute player, doesn't like a strike call. That's who Riggleman falls on the sword for--Willie Harris. Pure Gold!!
Explains a lot doesn't it.
Oh BTW, the strike call was correct. What a bumblehead.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 28, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Tampa Rays clinched a berth at the expense of the O's tonite 5-0 >>

Reminds me of when I went down to Camden Yards on the light rail to see them clinch in '08. 3,000 people for a doubleheader. I had an entire club section to myself. Saw Longoria hit one into the SECOND BULLPEN IN LEFT CENTER. Gargantuan.

Posted by: Brue | September 28, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

"You know your own team (the Natinals) is just as pathetic when all you can obsess about is barely beating the Orioles in the standings."
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my, it seems like it was only yesterday that we were all getting treated to a daily dose of how wonderful it was that the "Fighting Showalters" were poised to overtake the "pathetic" Nats, as if overtaking the Nats was a feat for the ages.

Now that the "Fighting Showalters" have lost seven of their last eleven, we get told to put a sock in it.

Q: What's the difference between Nats fans and "Fighting Showlaters" fans?

A: Nats fans don't harbor any illusions that their team is any good.

What did Adam Dunn just do?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Tampa BAY Rays cliched a berth at the expense of the Orioles Junior Varsity squad tonite.

Reminds me of that time when the Natinals couldn't even sell out their stadium for every game in their first year of a fancy new home ballpark.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

The "Fighting Showlaters" go down to the Rays without a fight, and fall 5-1/2 games behind the "pathetic" Washington Nationals.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

you know what u dont need to be reminded of . . .13 years of pathetic baseball stinking up Baltimore . . .13 going on forever with that infield

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Phillies Phans!

If you think "We own this house," you're a couple months behind in the mortgage payment.

Suck on Adam Dunn's walk-off.

Posted by: angelos_peter | September 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Can someone advise if Debbie Taylor is married to the head of MASN? Oh my gosh, she is horrific...I'm surprised the players haven't told her to get lost yet. She has no knowledge and asks the worst questions. Taylor: "Adam, what do you think of these fans?" Huh? There was only a handful there? What kind of response did she expect? She is probably good at one thing though.

Posted by: jwing14 | September 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

OBTW, being 5-1/2 games behind the Nats guarantees that the "Fighting Showalters" will finish behind the "pathetic" Nats this season.

I guess that means the "Fighting Showalters" are worse than pathetic, right?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 28, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Poopy, is that your O face?

Posted by: angelos_peter | September 28, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Good work, Adam.

I'm pretty sure that crushing loss will take away all of the Phillies' momentum as they go into the playoffs...

Posted by: baltova1 | September 28, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

they were a lot of Nats fans cheering Dunn's homer . . .even money says the Phillies arent even thought of on Sunday because of the football game

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

@BinM,

"Guess again."

2 names: Balestar and Bisenius. The first is looking pretty good don't you think? Chuck James in ST 2011 should make the team
as a left handed reliever.

I think that yes ... he is trade bait.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

What a lasting memory for Dunn to leave for Natinals fans when he bolts to a more competitive team in the off-season.

Man knows drama that's for sure.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The way to spell 13 years of being a putrid wasteland of a franchise O-R-I-O-L-E-S!!! Go NATS!!!

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"Been here. Dunn that."

Sadly, probably the last HR he hits at Nats Park for the home team...

Coulda been on the following post too...

Posted by: mo_dc | September 28, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

KaBoom!

Hey Poopy! Poopy! Back to the shadow world where you belong....

Posted by: bromisky | September 28, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

All the Angel-O's have IS a JV squad. Too bad when Buck wins manager of the year he'll be fired the next day. I mean what kind of franchise fires the manager of the year and proceeds to stink up the place for 13 years.

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Nope; Strike two swinging, or incomplete - 3rd & 10, whatever you find easier to grasp.

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love it. Instead of reveling in one of Adam Dunns last home games in a Natinals uniform, they'd rather bash the O's.

Gotta love their priorities.

Of course, Natinal fans don't have much else to look forward to sine their franchise is the most ineptly run sports team in all of sports history.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

what do Orioles have to look forward to? a bust of a catcher, an oft injured outfield, and no infielders. Too bad . . . B.Rob should move on before he starts breaking down, dang too late

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Markakis is so injured he's only played in almost every game this year.

The Natinals and their few, remaining fans would wet themselves to have an outfielder like Markakis.

Shoot, Jones and even Pie would be upgrades as to what the Natinals trot out to the outfield every night.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Great game at the park tonight. From where I was sitting, it was a spirited, pro-Nats crowd. I was in Section 315, the center from which the "Sign Adam Dunn" chants were starting at each of his ABs. I know I'll be hoarse tomorrow.

What a beautiful ending to the game! By the time the Nats' fans had finished jumping and shouting, the Phils' fans in our section had already left their seats and were heading out of the stadium. Didn't know large people could move so fast--maybe they're good dancers too.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | September 28, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Imagine--- making us sit through another game to watch Dunn's defense give up all those runs, not to mention forcing us to watch him always strike out in the clutch.
Sign the man already.

Posted by: Slidell | September 28, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Markakis . . .is that the $66million guy with all of 10 homers, must be the defense they pay for a corner outfielder. Well done. now if only Jones and Pie could live up to their billing

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

@McPoop...was all revved up thinking the O's would catch the Nats in the win dept...WRONG...WRONG....WRONG...AS THE NATS pulled away in the final week....

For the O's to finish with a worse record is one record that can't be altered....

Posted by: pentagon40 | September 28, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

jpt1002 would be doing 24/7 solo "pleasure" sessions if his beloved Natinals had the outfield the O's have.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Don Rumsfeld in the Pentagon, did the O's lose over 100 games last year? Or 2 years ago?

Nah didn't think so. But again, if all Natinal fans have to look forward to is that they barely had more wins than a team that was on pace to lose 110+, well that's setting the bar pretty darn low.

Of course the Natinals set the bar low to begin with, so it's not wonder why their few fans set the bar low as well.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

so how many games did the O's WIN last year, and 2 years ago. . . what, not that much of a fan to know not many at all. but hey maybe in the next 13 years the Yankees and Red Sox will just decide to follow the Oriole Way . . .the Oriole way of failing

Posted by: jpt1002 | September 28, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I hate to put it this way, but does anyone think Contreras got the word not to let it go to extra innings? That's the last thing the Phillies need right now in a meaningless game. Not to take anything away from Dunn, but that fastball sure hung there.

Posted by: homer6 | September 28, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Add "don't" before respond and you're good to go. ;-)

In other news, that was a fun win last night. Watching on tv as Dunn stepped in, I said "he hits it out, and they announce his signing the next day." Well, the first one came true, anyway. We'll see what happens with the signing, but I hope it comes true as well. Loved the Big Guy's parting of the seas gesture as he headed for home.

(And congrats to the Rays on clinching a playoff berth.)

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Assult neither the message, or the messenger; Rather, question the substance of the message being delivered, and respond accordingly.

Posted by: BinM | September 28, 2010 8:55 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 29, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

With a likely posting fee of $25 million and a five year contract at $5 million or more per season, that's a total of at least $50 million. No way Ted Lerner will sign off on that.

Posted by: bupbups | October 1, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

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