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Game 159 discussion thread: Nationals vs. Phillies

The Nationals will close Nationals Park for the season against the Phillies, or at least a rough approximation thereof. With home field advantage already locked up, the only Phillies regulars in the starting lineup are shortstop Jimmy Rollins, center fielder Shane Victorino and pitcher Joe Blanton.

The Nationals will throw Ross Detwiler, who makes only his fifth start of the season. Detwiler will need to compete for his spot in the rotation next season, and he can begin to make an impression tonight.

This could be the final time home fans see Adam Dunn (and Willie Harris, for that matter) in a Nationals uniform. There is rain expected, but the skies are clear now and we're starting on time. Talk about the game right here.

By Adam Kilgore  | September 29, 2010; 7:00 PM ET
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Surprise, surprise. Natinals are already losing.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Game? What game?

Posted by: Brue | September 29, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I can't see the Nats bringing Adam Dunn back. My friend Steve wrote a blog about Bad News for the Nats at:

Posted by: bmurph24 | September 29, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Looks Rizzo had better get both Grienke AND Cliff Lee. Looks like Detwiler and JZimnn could end up as trade bait. Mebbe they throw in Mock and Bally ... whatever it takes pull the trigger.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Natinals are winning, right?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

everyone say goodbye to Wil Nieves (who?) and his final worthless at bat...

Posted by: bromisky | September 29, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Still ahead of your Fighting Showalters right? You know the team that actually spends more on players than the current division leading Tampa Bay Rays? The idiot-O's.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

everyone say goodbye to Wil Nieves (who?) and his final worthless at bat...

Posted by: bromisky | September 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing at just how bad the two baseball teams in the Baltimore/Washington are. The Nats are not likely to be any better next year and the O's will likely occupy the ALE's basement again. I don't see either team contending anytime soon.

Posted by: CountDemoney | September 29, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Fighting Showalter's win again. Yeah, I know, big surprise. Or not!!

Held the Rays no runs on only 3 hits.

Perusing the other scores it looks like the Natinals themselves only had 3 measly hits in their 6-run defeat to the Phillies. Phils must have loved having a bunch of home games at Citizens Bank Park South.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Better next year? For the Nats it depends on how successful they can be at filling out the top of the pitching rotation. The defense looks to improve over this year by leaps and bounds. The offense, depending on Dunn and any other FA signing unknown.

With the right trade[s] and free agent acquisition[s] they just might surprise everyone. But Mike Rizzo isn't making any guarantees because what they need isn't here yet and getting it while possible presents more than a few difficulties.

Meanwhile, watch the P-Nats and Harrisburg in 2011.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

peric, Rizzo might (unfortunately) be as much in the dark as we are with where this team is headed; unless you're prepared for another couple of seasons of 90+ losses and building thru the draft and cast offs then you have to spend money. When he took the job he might have thought this would be an excellent chance not knowing that what he feels needs to be spent and what the Lerners are willing to spend are miles apart. Unlike Minaya who got a blank check Rizzo has had to do things on a Dollar Store budget; if he really thinks he can get a #1 then he knows Lerner has to open his wallet and spend some of the money he's still holding from his high school graduation.

Horrible series, 8 hits. Amazed we won one. Terrible way for the Donkey to leave the town if he's truly gone.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 29, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh and just an FYI, under Buck the Fighting Showalter's are:

14-13 against the AL East (yes O's are over .500 against AL East)

18-8 outside of the division (a fantastic .692 winning percentage)

Don't be too jealous Natinal fans.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

It was a terrible series and the Nats were missing Zimmerman and Willingham. I dont know if the Nats would have necessarily won tonight with those two but their absence sure hurts.

Rizzo is kidding himself if he thinks he can lure someone like Garza, Lee, etc... here and with Dunn probably gone, I dont see the Nats improving next year. I am not impressed by Desmond and Bernadina. They seem to be, at best, solid average players but not the type of players that will take the team to the next level.

Posted by: CountDemoney | September 29, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Not a great way to end the home season but, then again, not everyone gets to finish their home season against teams like the Pirates. I'll miss Nats Park for the next 6 months and, for the first time, we can say that we were more likely to see a win than a loss when we came to see a game this year. Not great, but progress. Lots to do over the off-season, so all eyes will now be off the field and on the Nats' front office.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Nats created some buzz with Strasburg, but with him out for a while, what's going to keep up the fan interest?

Meanwhile, the O's are making some buzz where it counts: between the lines. 70% of the season was lost, but "what have you done for me lately?" How 'bout nearly .600 baseball over 50+ games. That's close to the top of BOTH leagues. Playing good, sound ball....still needing power in the middle of the line-up. But pitching and DEE will still win a lot of games, plus it's fun to watch!

Posted by: Harold4 | September 29, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Three more games,Rizzo stating the obvious about starting pitching i don't know that Cliff Lee would want to come here especially after his run with the Rangers and if they advance in the playoffs then Lee ain't coming here, come to think of it Garza, Greinke, aren't interested either. I would seriously think about talking to Don Baylor if i'm Rizzo, this team needs a manager that can light a fire and won't tolerate the status quo (errors,poor fundamentals) i think Baylor would be a good fit for this team.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 29, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, I think that Willingham has been missed more than people have noticed. It would be interesting to see splits on both the team and Dunn before/after he went down. Perhaps even earlier because his knee probably was killing him before he went down. He was great protection for Dunn, who in turn was great protection for Zimm.

I thought about this because Ray Knight again tonight talked about Bernadina as our LF of the future, as if Willingham would not be back. Anyone else found his comments odd? Personally, I'd like to think of Bernie as our CF of the future.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Harold, how bout those records I posted earlier in the thread.

Fear the Fighting Showalter's of Baltimore.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Interesting thought, darg, about Baylor. Loved watching him play for the Angels growing up in SoCal. Seemed to do well managing the Rockies in the late 90s, although I wonder what it means when a manager goes back to being a coach. And, of course, he did fill in on MASN a bit a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

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