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If Drew Storen doesn't close next year, who will?

Morning brushback

Drew Storen is the closer of the Nationals future, but the future is not today and it might not be opening day 2011. He is currently the reliever who usually pitches in the ninth inning when the Nationals have a lead, which has worked often and led to disaster yesterday. He is not, Manager Jim Riggleman, the team's closer.

"I don't think we've anointed anybody as the closer," Riggleman said. "None of the guys are strictly seventh, eighth or ninth inning. We're going to use them as needed. We're hoping someday Drew is that guy that can pitch in the ninth. We're not saying it's now. We're not saying it's next year."

And so, then, if Storen has not captured the closer's job by the end of next spring training, who will? The Nationals struck gold this offseason with their closer, turning a pile of money into an excellent half-season from Matt Capps and Wilson Ramos, their catcher of the future.

As well as General Manager Mike Rizzo did there, that type of transaction is about as reliable as alchemy. The Nationals only used $3.5 million to sign Capps, but that was anything but a sure thing. The Pirates had non-tendered him after they had already demoted him out of the closer's role and he finished the season with a 5.80 ERA. It worked extremely well, but it was a unique circumstance. Rizzo pounced on it last year; that doesn't mean another similar one will surface this winter.

The easier, and probably more viable, option is to find a reliever already under the Nationals control. If they want someone to feel comfortable with pitching the ninth inning, why not Sean Burnett?

Burnett does not have any experience closing, and when Capps was traded he wondered aloud if he had the stuff to close. But Burnett has proven in the second half of the season that, at least, he has the potential to become an elite reliever.

It seems Burnett - a first-round pick once upon a time - does have the stuff to close, and it took this year for him to show it. One crucial element has been throwing his slider inside to right-handed batters. He only started throwing it because Ivan Rodriguez started calling it. It has become a devastating pitch him, helping him to a .190 batting average against from right-handers. His ERA for the season is 2.45, and since August began it's 1.40. In that span, he's struck out 23 and walked five in 19 1/3 innings.

So, yes, Burnett has established himself as a candidate to close. The point is, the Nationals have Storen waiting. If they don't think he'll be ready at the start of next season, it would be fine not to rush him. But they probably will think he's ready at some point next year.

The Nationals could rely on a veteran, somewhat pricey closer until that point comes. Or they could rely on pieces from their own, currently excellent bullpen. In the case, the cheaper option might be the smartest.


Drew Storen blew a three-run lead as the Nationals lost, 7-6, to the Phillies, a defeat that sealed a sweep.

Adam Dunn thinks he will return to the Nationals next season, he said yesterday.

By Adam Kilgore  | September 20, 2010; 7:00 AM ET
Categories:  Morning brushback  
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"He is not, Manager Jim Riggleman, the team's closer."

Kilgore is an editorial columnist now? Did they fire Boswell?

Posted by: FeelWood | September 20, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Not sure what it takes to be "anointed" by Riggleman, but when was the last save opportunity that he used anyone but Storen? Not theat there have been many. In any given game if anyone can't guess who the next reliever will be, they've not been paying attention.

He most definately has established a pattern and that's fine, just say so. It's okay that the guy you've picked to close is still learning.

Posted by: 3B11 | September 20, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

How can he be the closer when he thought that what he pitched yesterday was good stuff????

It was the worst closer performance in the Nationals history .....if anyone knows of a worse one please inform.

All I know is this we Happy we Loose is getting old. Experience time is over once you get to a certain level, imagine if firefighters took the sorry if we allowed your house to burn down but it was a great learning experience for us method. Not a pretty thought eh?

BTW..... Debbie Taylor asking the players if it was great to play in front of a full house in a great stadium WHILE AWAY is not the tact to take if you want to stay on to the next year.

Posted by: CBinDC | September 20, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Good question Adam, I think Drew needs a year as a setupman like Mariano did in 1996. I believe the closer will be someone not on the current roster.

Posted by: markfd | September 20, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

One blown save should not detract from what Storen has done this season nor cause NATS' management to revaluate his talent. He should close (pun intended) out this season and based on that a decision should be made as to who the closer is going into the next spring training.

Sec 204 Row H Seat 7

Posted by: adhardwick | September 20, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Glad I didn't see the game. I stopped watching any over a month ago.

Posted by: futbolclif | September 20, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

put simply, and based on performance - Burnett should close. period.

Posted by: DCguy7 | September 20, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

One bad game does not determine the closer role but when you're handed a three run lead and can't get anyone out not one out i don't wanna hear "i thought i had good stuff", that pure bullsh#t. Drew Storen should be the setup man that's what his role should be until further notice.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 20, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

"It was the worst closer performance in the Nationals history .....if anyone knows of a worse one please inform. "

Sept 17 2005 at San Diego: With the Nationals ahead 5-1 in the bottom of the ninth, runners on first and second and one out, Chad Cordero enters. He walks the first batter and then Khalil Greene hits a grand slam to tie the game. Blown save, and the Nats go on to lose 8-5 in 12 innings.

Aug 24 2007 at Colorado: Nats ahead 5-1, Chad Cordero comes in to close the game in the bottom of the ninth. Tulowitzki singles, Holliday homers. 5-3. Helton singles, Atkins doubles, Hawpe walks. Bases loaded, Acta pulls Cordero and brings in Rauch. Torrealba singles, scoring two. Tie game. A sacrifice bunt and a groundout move the runner to third. Then on an error by SS D'Angelo Jiminez the winning run scores. Nats lose 6-5. Losing pitcher: Cordero. Blown save: Rauch.

And that's not even getting into the collected works of Joel Hanrahan. The Florida Marlins chapter of that opus is particularly painful.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 20, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Storen should never have been in the position to close any games this season. Period. Once Capps was dealt, the Nats should have assigned someone else to close (Clippard, Peralta, heck even Batista).

No team should ever place a rookie, one and a half years removed from college, into the closers role. I don't care how bad a team is (and the Nats are really bad), or how good you *think* Storen will be, he needs to spend at least an entire year in another role in the bullpen.

Posted by: erocks33 | September 20, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

23rd in payroll
22nd in attendance
25th in the overall standings

Posted by: Kev29 | September 20, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, it is not just one bad outing for Storen. Since becoming the closer, he has on several occasions been very shaky. Some times he has looked like he wanted to get three strikeouts on his first pitch, and ended up overthrowing or haivng control issues. He's going to be a fine pitcher, and when not in a closer position he's done well - but I agree with markfd that he needs a year as a setup guy before closing. He's still a really young kid.

Posted by: elijah383 | September 20, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

23rd in payroll
22nd in attendance
25th in the overall standings

Posted by: Kev29 | September 20, 2010 11:51 AM

Hey, at least they're consistent at SOMETHING...

Posted by: TimDz | September 20, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

23rd in payroll
22nd in attendance
25th in the overall standings

Posted by: Kev29 | September 20, 2010 11:51 AM

That about sums it up.

Thanks Uncle Teddy!

Posted by: Section505203 | September 20, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Stan K famously said "we'll get the attendance we deserve."

I suggest that if they're 25th in the standings and 23rd in attendance, they're getting BETTER than the attendance they deserve, especially when you consider their cumulative record over the past three seasons.

What a shame. I don't know who to blame, but this could have been so much more fun than it has become.

I really am trying to be optimistic for next year, but right now everybody is so shaky, and Strasburg is out altogether, and the Dunn business is entirely up in the air, so it's really hard.

Posted by: Meridian1 | September 20, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

What's up with editing in this article? It looks like an email to a friend.

Posted by: richs91 | September 20, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

If this weekend wasn't a final wake up call to Ratzo Rizzo, StanK and the SLowes for 11 and beyond I have no idea what that is. However...., the Phillies fielded a major league line-up and killing machine for three straight games. The Nationals have a consistent 3A and 4A group that just gets pummled if for no other reason then the lack of talent. If you combined all three starting pitchers combined from Friday till Sunday they don't even add up to 9 complete innings. Come on Rizzo stop with the head in the sand, SS is gone and you had better figure this one out rather quickly.

Posted by: TippyCanoe | September 20, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Well this four game series versus the Astro's will tell the tale, quick; name one Astro? other than Hunter Pence,Michael Bourn, they don't roll off your tounge but they have put together an impressive post all star break record with a bunch of guy's named Joe.The Nat's for all the Adam Dunn's,Ryan Zimmerman's,and the like will just miss losing 100 games again, excuse me StanK and Rizzo how's that "plan" working out?

Posted by: dargregmag | September 20, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Like Parcells once said "it is what it is". A last place team for the last three years.

Posted by: boyn4884 | September 20, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

This team seems to excel at finding ways to lose. The Nats just looked outclassed by the Phillies. They looked good against the Braves, but just cannot sustain decent performance for any length of time--3 games has been an absolute limit this year.

Posted by: NatsFly | September 20, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Translation of Dunn's comments in this morning's WaPost:

My agent's job right now is to get the best default position he can for me. The Nats and my agent are talking, and we should have that default offer in salary and years nailed down tight by the time I hit free agency. That becomes the offer to beat. I'll give it just a couple days in free agency, since I don't want to lose the Nats' offer. If I am targeted by other teams, I'll soon know. If I get a better offer in terms of money and situation for me in the NL, then I have to take it. Otherwise, I'll be a Nat in 2011 and beyond.

Short translation: Dunn's gone unless his phone doesn't ring.

Posted by: EdDC | September 20, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It usually takes about as much time to correct a problem as it took to create it. MLB plundered this franchise for years. The idea that anyone could turn the Nats on a dime doesn't seem possible. And fact is, the Lerner's money isn't ours to spend any way we want any more than I have a right to spend your money. The Nats say they have a plan. Time will tell. In the meantime, don't watch or attend games if you don't like the plan. That is the ultimate vote, the one thing that will register with the team's FO and ownership. And it is a business. They do have a right to make money (and aren't obliged to lose money).

Posted by: fpcsteve | September 20, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I bet at some point yesterday you all were watching the Natinals lead the Phils 6-3 or so and were just giddy with excitement seeing the O's down 3-1 to the Yanks.

You all were probably like "A Natianls win and O's loss will really shut up certain posters who are O's fans."

Well unfortunately things didn't turn out just too good did it? Jayson Werth (a former ORIOLE prospect, how's that for a kick in the pants) his a game-winning homerun and the O's get a walk-off win.


O's should catch the Natinals within a week or so.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

So what poop poop, they'll both have tee times on the same day when its over, who cares.

Posted by: cokedispatch | September 20, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Well when one team was on pace to easily lose over a hundred games, and maybe even challenge for the worst record ever, yeah it says something that they've improved enough to the point where they're about to pass the pathetic Natinals in the standings.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The word "hits" is spelled with a "t", genius. And there is supposed to be a comma after "yeah." Makes you wonder if your Natinals schtick is on purpose or not.

Posted by: fpcsteve | September 20, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Translation of Dunn's comments in this morning's WaPost:
Short translation: Dunn's gone unless his phone doesn't ring.

Posted by: EdDC | September 20, 2010 1:00 PM"

Which it won't. Because Dunn has only four HR in the past month, and if he keeps up his pattern from last year where he hit his last HR on 9/22, it could be only four HR in his last six weeks. That's a 16-24 HR pace over the course of a full season. And there's a word for that: decline.

Interesting that Dunn chose to compare his prospects from a month ago to his prospects now, isn't it? Dunn knows that only the Nats will want to buy that kind of decline at any price. EdDC should be positively giddy at this news.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 20, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

And San Diego is 29th in payroll.
And the Cubs are 3rd.
And Texas is 27th.
And the Mets are 5th.
And no, no one here cares about the Oriles. Thirty games out is thirty games out no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 20, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHA, you know your team really stinks when all you can do to refute someones discussion about the Orioles, is to play blog-internet spelling/grammar police.

Things are looking very bleak in Nat-ville. Natinals are circling the drain.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"[T]he Lerner's money isn't ours to spend any way we want any more than I have a right to spend your money."

Do you live in an expensive, publicly built house with an arrangement that allows you to make a pile of money running a business out of it? Do you further demand that your customers remain loyal to you in spite of the fact that you provide a remarkably shoddy product?

I don't know why anyone would feel any loyalty to this franchise, but the Lerners most certainly do have an obligation to spend more money to improve this sewage dump of a team if they're going to benefit from this corporate socialism.

Posted by: Fairfax6 | September 20, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

BTW, talking about developing a closer on a team this awful, with this many holes in the everyday lineup and starting rotation, is a textbook example of putting the cart before the horse. A closer is about as useful to a team like this as a condom is to a eunuch -- it's no doubt perfectly good of its kind, but there's no need for it.

Posted by: Fairfax6 | September 20, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

To the Orioles troll:
Why would you name yourself after something that stinks so bad not even Peter Angelos could love it? Seriously, the only thing keeping the Orioles from being a decade-long disgrace is the fact that the Pirates have been worse for longer. As a dispirited Nats fan, the ONLY thing making me reasonably happy these days is that I'm NOT a fan of the stinking Orioles. What a sad fall for such a previously respectable franchise. And apparently for its fans.

Posted by: cdstej | September 20, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

@fpcsteve - It's the Lerners who have invoked the term "public trust", not some NJ posters.
They went the cheap route for way too long, lost a ton of their season ticket holders, are so desperate that they behave like K-Mart (buy two get two) and have a president who is surprised (in the 5th year of ownership) that they managed to win 63 games!

The fact is, there were MLB fans in this town before the Nats and the Lerners opened up for business. We can't just not pay attention.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 20, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

you may be right cdstej, but atleast Baltimore didn't have to steal their team from Montreal. Nor is Baltimore on it's THIRD baseball team in 1/2 decade.

Oh snap! But you go back to your nostalgic days of having the Senators or whatever it is you're pining for by rooting for the Natinals.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Fairfax6, good point. I hadn't considered that. Living in Nebraska makes keeping up challenging. And Sunderland is also right about the "public trust" claim the Lerners made. My bad. I guess I'll retreat to the other claim I made that still seems fair: It will take time to fix the things MLB ruined. But I don't know where the line is that separates "enough" time and money from "too much" time and "not enough" money. The frustration I hear in NJ at times is actually a good thing. People still care. It will only be too late when everything goes silent. Thanks for the conversation.

Posted by: fpcsteve | September 20, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

fpcsteve - thanks for the reasoned response.
That's unusual for these parts. Perhaps it's the norm in Big 10 country where you sort of, kind of, live.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 20, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 20, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I agree with fpcsteve; at what point is it realistic to stop blaming MLB from ruining the franchise to blame current management from not doing enough to revive it. Don't know the answer to that. Clearly though some on here don't realize just how much this team had stripped from it and think that simply writing a check will cure the ills. It won't, and if you don't believe me ask any Mets fan.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 20, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

>In the meantime, don't watch or attend games if you don't like the plan. That is the ultimate vote, the one thing that will register with the team's FO and ownership. And it is a business. They do have a right to make money (and aren't obliged to lose money).

Posted by: fpcsteve

They aren't obliged to put a good team on the field. That's the only thing that's not required by the league. If they don't draw anybody, they'll get even more money from the high-earning teams. That's the way MLB works. It's guaranteed profit, especially the lower the payroll. The people that think MLB runs like a normal business have a lot to learn. It's the same old delusion that they're somehow being prudent, when they're merely being cynical and lowering their payroll so they can get assistance from the other teams.

Posted by: Brue | September 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Poopy McPoop? Homage to the St. Louis Browns? I like that.

Let's go Brownies!

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | September 20, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I do hate feeding the trolls, but I am curious about something. Mr. McPoop always seems to mock those about the nostalgic days of the Senators, yet the only positive aspect of the Orioles "lately" was when they were competitive in the early 90's. How many consecutive losing seasons have the O's had now?

As for whether the O's will have a better record than the Nats this season ... it's still possible. But wasn't that always supposed to be the case? Look back at all the national projections (espn, CHONE, CAIRO, PECOTA, yahoo, etc) and every single one of them had the O's to finish 4th in the AL East, with an average of about 74-76 wins. Compare that to what they thought of the Nats, and every single one picked them to come in last, with an average of about 66-68 wins.

To me, regardless of how a team starts or finishes, the Nats end up the season just about as expected while the O's definitely had a more disappointing season.

Finally, as for whose future is brighter ... who knows for sure. The only thing I know is that for the 3rd year in a row, the Nats minor league system had a better record than the O's minor league system across the board. This season, the Nats' AAA, AA Low A, Short Season and DSL teams fared better, while the O's can lay claim to the High A (though the P-Nats did win the Championship) and the Gulf Coast League (each by 1 1/2 games).

I love my Nats and I always will. It's obvious that Mr. McPoop loves his O's, and I think that's great. I just don't see how anyone can argue that one is better than the other. Right now, they both stink.

Posted by: erocks33 | September 20, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Natinal fans don't know which way to turn and don't know who to blame for the Natinals stinking as badly as they do.

Fun to watch, especially when the team right up the road in Baltimore is leaps and bounds better.

Bright future ahead for the O's, not so much for the Natinals.

Oh, and keep giving Peter Angelos (and the O's) more of your MASN money. Thanks.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 20, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sept. 17, 2005. Last moment the Nats were in the playoff race. Still remember listening to that on the radio. Ouch.

I appreciate a condescending lecture about how business operates as much as the next fellow, but some of the money the Lerner's aren't spending used to be mine, as is some of the money the don't want to spend in the future. If they don't spend what they've got, they should not count on getting as much more in the future.

Posted by: markfromark | September 20, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore is on its third team.There was the old National League Orioles,then the short-lived American League team which is now the Yankees,and the St.Louis Browns,who are the current Orioles.They are best known for sending a midget up to lead off a game.He walked.

Posted by: seanmg | September 20, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

SCNatFan: I think a lot of us understand the harm that MLB did to this team and understand that it will take time to correct. Speaking for myself, that is part of the reason that I continued to support the team and buy tickets during this awful period. My complaint is that the Lerners have had the team for 5 years now, and have not spent enough to fill some glaring holes and field a decent product. I agree with those who say that a high payroll will not ensure success. But it sure can help. High profits and low investment is just not acceptable anymore. Can you build a world series contender out of a stripped down ball club in 5 years? Probably not. But you probably could have built a team that should be flirting with .500 by now if you had been willing to spend just an average amount.

That, it seems to me, is a reasonable expectation to have had for this year or at least looking to 2011. Sadly, I look to 2011 and see more of the same, only without a HR threat. I hope Dunn does come back, but I don't expect it. I don't expect that any top tier free agent will want to come here either.

Posted by: NatsFly | September 20, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sunderland, want to stir up a hornet's nest? Just ask someone out here what they think about Nebraska leaving the Big 12 for the Big 10. If you hate UT, you love leaving. If you love the rivalry game with OU, you hate leaving.
My vocation is all about hope and belief. And I hope and believe the Nats will get better. They just don't seem as bad as the old Bob Short Senators. So just keep on adding the right pieces. Go Nats!

Posted by: fpcsteve | September 20, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

And San Diego is 29th in payroll.
And the Cubs are 3rd.
And Texas is 27th.
And the Mets are 5th.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 20, 2010 1:49 PM

The Yankees, Phillies, Rays, Braves, Twins, Giants, Reds and Rockies all have higher payrolls than the Nats. For every salary anomaly you'll find (Padres), you'll find about 5 or 6 teams that fit the higher salary mold much better.

Also, for all their pain and suffering, I'd rather be supporting the Mets or Cubs than this Nats team (in theory, I'd never want to support another city). At least their owners try. The Cubs have not lost 100 games in a season since '66. They've been to the playoffs 2 of the last 12 seasons.

I will not accept the 22nd "highest" salary in the 8th best media market with a public stadium - just to hope for a freak season of being decent. Unacceptable.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and keep giving Peter Angelos (and the O's) more of your MASN money. Thanks

Huh? It's the other way around, numbnuts. King Pete is paying the Nats for broadcast rights.


Posted by: gonatsgo1 | September 20, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

You've got to be kidding. As a Phightin' Phils fan 1st and as a NATS fan 2nd I've always been very impressed with Storen. He comes to pitch and he gives it his all. He's got great stuff and yeah he got beat yesterday. It happens, it's not like he's going up against the sister's of the poor when you're facing the Phils. Give it a break. This team's future will be bright with Storen, Ramos, the current infield. The starting pitching is young and with Strasburg coming back they'll be a team to comtend with for years. Drafting some outfielders and signing a nice veteran pitcher (like I harped on before with Brett Myers) will move this team on. Also get a real manager not a Cheap to keep one. Storen is the closer. Period!!!

Posted by: Dog-1 | September 20, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse


"I guess I'll retreat to the other claim I made that still seems fair: It will take time to fix the things MLB ruined. But I don't know where the line is that separates 'enough' time and money from 'too much' time and 'not enough' money."

Now there you are on very strong ground, and I'd take it even further. I don't think MLB ever wanted a team here, but pressure was exerted from various places (including the behind the scenes type from a big white building with a dome on Penn Avenue, something having to do with an anti-trust exemption hearings), and they had no choice. But I think a bargain was made, in large part to placate Angelos, that ownership wouldn't do anything to field a serious contender aside from draft talented youngsters and try to develop them, a very long process given the pathetic state of the organization. If this sound like some bizarre tin-foil type conspiracy, consider that for a number of years after the A's moved to KC from Philly, they were more or less openly run as a Major League farm team for the NY Yankees. Apparently the guy who bought the team and moved it was a close friend of Dan Topping, one of the Yankees owners, and was rewarded with a number of sweetheart business deals Topping entered into that had nothing to do with baseball (he was a construction magnate). If the Nats do show significant improvement in the next couple of years, it will be accidental.

Posted by: Fairfax6 | September 20, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Dog-1, while I appreciate your insights, I'd rather just say no to (cough...head case) Myers. As Nick the bartender once said, "we don't need any characters around to give the joint 'atmosphere.'"

(He also said, "Hey look, mister - we serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast." But I'll leave that one to Sunshine Bobby. ;-))

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The Riggleman BUMS...picking up where the comatose ACTA bums left off...WIN 3-4 out of every do you think they have finished LAST 5/6 years...this is NOT....Rocket science.....

And you better get used to it...because A list free agents being pursued by playoff teams with playoff tem $$$$$......DO NOT sign contracts with LAST place teams and LAST place team $$$$$$.....This mediocrity will go on for YEARS to come.......

Posted by: GRIMReaper55 | September 20, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

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