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MLB reviewing Marlins-Nationals brawl

Major League Baseball is reviewing the benches-emptying fracas Wednesday night between the Nationals and Marlins and will hand out any suspensions, which are likely, either later today or tomorrow, according to a league official. The league office has extra time for the review process, which includes reviewing video and speaking with the game's umpiring crew, because both teams have an off day today.

The brawl capped an eventful, erratic week for Nyjer Morgan, who ignited the brawl after Marlins starter Chris Volstad threw behind him two innings after drilling him with a pitch. Morgan is currently appealing a seven-game suspension for what a league official labeled an "ongoing dialogue" with a fan in Philadelphia that preceded Morgan hitting a fan with a ball.

In handing out any potential punishment for Wednesday night's ruckus, the league will treat the incident in Philadelphia and Morgan's role in the brawl as "separate incidents," a league official said.

The league considers a player's or manager's past when doling out suspensions. But because Morgan was not suspended for bumping into Cardinals catcher Bryan Anderson last Saturday, the league is unlikely to hold that play against Morgan in their upcoming ruling, either. Before the league issued his recent suspension, Morgan had never been disciplined by the league.

The plunking Wednesday was in retaliation to Morgan decking catcher Brett Hayes the night before, a within-the-rules collision that left Hayes with a separated shoulder and likely out for the remainder of the season. The pitch behind Morgan came because the Marlins took offense to Morgan stealing two bases with the Nationals down 11 runs in the fourth inning.

Along with Morgan, Manager Jim Riggleman and reliever Doug Slaten were also ejected from Wednesday night's game after Slaten drilled Gaby Sanchez, who had clotheslined Morgan as he charged Volstad. For the Marlins, Manager Edwin Rodriguez, reliever Jose Veras and Volstad were ejected.

By Adam Kilgore  |  September 2, 2010; 12:26 PM ET
 
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"and speaking with the game's umpiring"?

Do you mean "speaking with the game umpires? Or umpiring crew?

Posted by: MKadyman | September 2, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

There was no umpiring last night. The crew let the entire thing get out of hand.

Posted by: swang30 | September 2, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"Do you mean "speaking with the game umpires? Or umpiring crew? "

I think we all knew exactly what he meant, but you are a very astute student and get an A+ in proofreading!

This is a blog. Blogs have less than perfect presentation. Get over it.

Posted by: NatsFly | September 2, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

My best guess... FLA - Mgr. Rodriguez gets 3-5 games, Volstead gets 10 games & misses two starts, Veras gets 3 games, & Sanchez gets 3 games. WSH - Riggleman gets 3 games, Listach gets 1-2 games, Slaten gets 3-5 games, and Morgan gets 10 games, and the umpiring crew will be reprimanded as well.

I also tend to think Morgan's 7-day suspension for the 'ball-throwing' incident in PHI will be reduced to 5 games.

Posted by: BinM | September 2, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and there will be a boatload of fines as well, with all checks to be written to the "the Comissioners' fund for Fair Play & World Peace".

Posted by: BinM | September 2, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Big Ups to Doug Slaten and Jim Riggleman for having Nyjer's back which is more than i can say for some of the bloggers on this site honestly you'd think Nyjer had robbed a bank or assaulted his significant other the way some people have reacted since the saturday night dust up and then after tuesday night's so called dirty play all i've read is get rid of him he's a thug blah,blah blah, i'll say this for Nyjer he didn't back down. Nyjer is my idea of a teamate he play's hard and he's not going to stand there and let himself be pushed around we've got a bunch of nambee pambee fans in this town the type of fans that allow opposing team's fan's come into National's Park and out cheer them the type of fan's that only show up when Strasberg pitch's and then when something happens, to be politically correct we side with the so called "right side" i'm a fan and have been since the team came back to DC even though i live in Atlanta i'm passionate about this team, i follow every aspect about this team. It drives me crazy to read some of these post, trust me i don't have blind loyalty when a player is wrong he should be called out but Nyjer's being hammered unfairly and it bother's me that a lot of you are siding with the status quo.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 2, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness to Volstad, he didn't exactly hit Nyjer the 2nd time around.

Posted by: richs91 | September 2, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

OK, now catch your breath and add some punctuation.

Yeah, that was nice of Riggleman to stand up for Morgan a couple of days after Morgan accused Riggleman of committing a "cardinal sin."

Posted by: mike8 | September 2, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

swang30, what should the umps have done? They issued warnings to both teams after Morgan got plunked, and ejected both Volstad and his manager when Volstad threw behind Morgan, and threw out Riggleman and Slaten when Slaten hit Sanchez.

Apart from wrapping Morgan up in duct tape before he came up to the plate his final time, what should they have done? Waded into the fracas themselves?

Pulled out .38 Specials and started administering wild west justice?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I am glad to see the growing level of support for Morgan among commenters. This needs to become a blue collar town, more attitude and learning to support players like Nyjer is step one. You don't have to run on the field, you don't have to beat up the fans from other cities, but you have to defend your own when they are doing nothing more than playing the game. That said, I hope we trade Willinham and sign Carl Crawford, play Morse and Bernadina every day making Nyjer a fourth outfielder. Given how cheap the ownership group have been, I doubt they have the balls to do that, but this team needs a real lead off hitter and Morgan is not it. Bernadina is a great defensive center fielder, but he is not a lead-off hitter. I love Morgan's makeup, just like I love Willie Harris's. It is their inability to hit that bothers me. The pussy-ass fans that come to games in coats and ties, that is another thing entirely.

Posted by: Juliasdad | September 2, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness to Volstad, he didn't exactly hit Nyjer the 2nd time around.

Posted by: richs91 | September 2, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse
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In all fairness to Morgan, Volstad threw behind him because he stole two bases and singlehandedly manufactured a run. But there's the integrity of the game to protect. Memo to Marlins - If you don't like Morgan stealing, throw him out. Not like that's an impossibility this year.

Posted by: mojo6 | September 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

this will be one way in which we don't have to watch Tony Plush for the remainder of the season......bye bye!

Posted by: 1of9000 | September 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I seriously wish that Rizzo and Riggleman will deactivate Morgan for the rest of the season regardless of what suspension is handed down by MLB. I'm still at a loss why he plowed the Marlins catcher on Tuesday night when he could of slid in easily to score the run in the 10th inning. Ray Knight commented on it after Ramirez scored the winning run in the 10th. Last night's game was simply a carry over from the game before and Morgan got two other Nats plunked as well as himself.

Morgan clearly had it coming after the night before and then stealing bases in a blow out game. He's made himself an embarrassment to the Nats and it's beyond me why Riggleman continues to play him. The season is over and its time to evaluate the young talent. He could start Bernadina in center for the rest of the season with Morse in right and either Willie Harris or Maxwell in left.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag, you want a team of Morgans? He of the worst OPS of starting outfielders in MLB right now? He of the three hop throw to the plate? He of the throw my glove in a tantrum while the player rounds the bases? He of the "I can catch anything I can get to" but I break the wrong way? He of the leading the league in caight stealing and being picked off?

If we played a team of Morgans 162 games then I believe the Nats could be a .500 team. Character issues aside, he's having a horrid year.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 2, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

F fairness richs91, he threw behind Nyjer after he had already hit him once. I'm behind him 100% on this one. The Marlins are a bunch of weak sister's, F 'em

I have a real problem with some of the heat Nyjer has caught lately on this Blog. If this was Pedroia or Eckstein they would be called "gritty" or "gutsy."

But since it's Nyjer, he's a thug.

Speaking as a white guy, I think that is complete and utter crap.


Posted by: Section505203 | September 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because I'm white collar, but I see no need to support Nyjer Morgan. He's spent most of the season being dumb - getting picked off on the bases, taking poor routes in the outfield, throwing to the wrong base when he's not missing the cutoff man completely, having a tantrum in CF against the Mets, and now, he's taking cheap shots at other catchers (at least count Anderson as a cheap shot - the shot on Hayes was questionalble at best). His latest antics could result in someone else getting hurt. Riggs sat out Zimmerman last night to keep him from being the target of the Marlins outrage.

No, no need to support a mediocre player who is out of control on the field.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that Nyjer's two stolen bases last night smacked of a player not taking his "punishment" gracefully, can we at least agree that the unwritten rule about not stealing bases in a blowout game applies to the team that's AHEAD, not to the team that's behind? I've never heard of the unwritten rule that says that when your team is getting blown out, you're supposed to roll over.

Posted by: TomServo | September 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Marlins - If you don't like Morgan stealing, throw him out. Not like that's an impossibility this year.

Posted by: mojo6 | September 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse


Agree 100%.

That said, the fact that Nyjer is still playing is an embarrassment and reflects poorly on the team. Antics aside, he's just not a good player. When you consider all of his extra curricular stuff, the Nats should just suspend him themselves or cut ties with him like a first rate organization would.

Posted by: cainoo7x | September 2, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

If Nyjer can't get back to playing smart, tough baseball, like he did before he got hurt last year, then it is time to move on.

The Nats are headed toward an outfield of Willingham, Bernadina, and either Burgess or Harper for 2012 anyway. They can find a stop-gap for 2011 without this Nyjer and win just as many games. The 2009 Nyjer, now that would help.

Posted by: hapster | September 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

@wizfan89: Morgan clearly had it coming after the night before and then stealing bases in a blow out game.

You know, that is really, really stupid. It's only bush league to steal in a blowout game WHEN YOU'RE WINNING.

If you think Morgan "had it coming" because he stole bases in a blowout, then it necessarily follows that you think Wil Nieves needs a plunking next time the Nats play the Marlins. How dare he hit that upper deck home run in a blowout?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We need the Little League 10 run rule. That'll take care of stealing and hitting bombs into the upper deck when you're way behind. I for one thank my lucky stars that the Marlins are here to protect the integrity of the game until that rule comes into effect in MLB.

Posted by: mojo6 | September 2, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Surprising how many bloggers have a "new school" attitude toward Nyjer. If Riggleman were managing the other team, I guarantee you he would have knocked him down twice. You don't think Frank Robinson would not have? I coach baseball on a pretty high level and I'd knock the bat out of his hand twice. My son is a college catcher and I know he would have come high and tight on both occasions. At any rate, the Nationals don't need or want Nyjer's behavior. Riggleman has responded to all of this with both his words and his managerial actions have been appropriate, as he is doing his best to support his players. Behind the scenes I'm sure he is not as supportive of all of Morgan's antics and dumb baseball decisions.

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | September 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Excellent idea, mojo, with one addition: The team behind by 10 runs must give a prorated refund to the fans in attendance.

Nyjer doesn't play hard, he plays stupid.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 2, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

N.Morgan is playing ball how it should be players. He's old school look how he wears his socks was is that circa 1950,s. We need more players like that.

Posted by: probking | September 2, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I foudn Zim's comments interesting..."But the thing with St. Louis was out of line, and we told him that. He's still learning the game." Isn't TP a little advanced in his career to be still learning the game and hasn't that been his problem all year? We need hard nosed players who know what base to throw to, when and how to steal, and when and how to slide. The kid is 30 years old. If he don't know the game by now he should go back to hockey.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 2, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

If Morgan was playing ball how it should be played, he would (1) know how to bunt, (2) know how to slide feet first, (3) know how to hit a cutoff man, (4) know how to go back on a deep fly ball, and (5) know not throw his glove on the ground in a tantrum with a live ball rolling away from him, among other things.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I think dargramps has a point to be heard - Morgan has become the 'flash-point' for fan angst this season. Some of that, he's certainly brought on himself, through various on-field blunders; The rest may come from him no longer matching "the golden boy" expectations placed on him after last years' trade.

Players have good seasons, and players have bad seasons. Are Nyjer's overall numbers what the fans would have hoped for this year? Absolutely not, based on his two months with the Nationals last year. Is that a reason for the F.O. to summarily 'kick him to the curb', as fan outcries call for? Again, absolutely not, as they have the final call on this matter, and take much more into consideration than the average fan ever sees or knows. We have opinions, and so do the folks in the clubhouse and Front Office.

Bottom line - Should Nyjer be a part of the Nationals now, and in the future? That's Rizzo & Co.'s call, not ours.

Posted by: BinM | September 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

gilbertbp
@wizfan89: Morgan clearly had it coming after the night before and then stealing bases in a blow out game.

You know, that is really, really stupid. It's only bush league to steal in a blowout game WHEN YOU'RE WINNING.
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i don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. isn't it another unwritten rule that you don't purposely run up the score? like, oh i don't know, 14-3? in which case, weren't the Marlins guilty of violating an "unwritten rule"? where is the condemnation of that?

Posted by: ceejay3 | September 2, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I can tell that some of you never played baseball at any level and SCNatsfan i want a team that play's hard every night are you happy with the attitude of this team? yes Nyjer got emotional that's more than i can say for the we'll get em tommorow crowd that has permeated this squad the happy go lucky let me pick up my paycheck and stop off by myself a new a new mercedes and that's why we headed for another 100 loses again maybe this is just what the doctor ordered lord knows they need it.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 2, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Baseball needs a make love not war approach. Fighting is one thing, but the ugliness after was ridiculous. My solution on sotospeaks.

Posted by: sotospeaks | September 2, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about my post folks just a little emotional about what's transpired over the last seven day's with Dibble and Nyjer.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 2, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Just a family argument we're having, that's all. Speaking of Dibble and Nyjer, like him or not it would have been very entertaining to hear Dibble doing that game last night, from start (Olsen meltdown 6.0) to middle (brawl) to end (complete unraveling of the game after the brawl).

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 2, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Agree with you completely Section505203. There seems to be a trend around where Nyjer Morgan = Lastings Milledge = Elijah Dukes.
I'd like to see what the reaction would be if this had been Ryan Church instead of Morgan (to bring up another divisive Nats player, at least from the perspective of his play).

Also, I'm surprised to not have read a single defense of Morgan that mentioned his past in professional ice hockey. If this were hockey, there would be no disagreement regarding Morgan decision to fight.

I really question the fan loyalty after reading most of the comments. Regardless of your feelings towards Morgan, nearly all of these post should end, 'That said, I wish he landed his punch squarely, because the Marlins can rot in hell'.

Posted by: cbm92 | September 2, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Let me take a crack at this, the unwritten rule for stealing in a blowout is for the team with the 11 run lead.

What Morgan was doing was dumb from a strategic perspective. The Nats are down by 11 and he is playing small ball (stealing 2nd and 3rd to score on a Sac Fly) and risking getting thrown out on the bases - a real risk given his SB success rate and proclivity to getting picked off. The fact that he was successful is irrelevant; it's still not the smart play.

Now, why would the Marlins respond negatively to an opponent being dumb? Normally, they wouldn't. But last night wasn't normal. Morgan took out their catcher on a questionable play on Tuesday, so, they plunked him (on the hip) and that should have been the end of it. But instead, Morgan steals 2 bases when it is strategically disadvantageous for him to do so. The Marlins take that as Morgan giving them the big FU, and not taking his punishment (which even Morgan said he deserved). So, they plunk him again.

It's not about the losing team having to roll over, it's that the losing team needs the base runners and the big inning, and by not doing that, the Marlins perceived that Morgan had not learned his lesson.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 2, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

"But since it's Nyjer, he's a thug.

Speaking as a white guy, I think that is complete and utter crap."

Veering out of the basepath to cream the Cardinals catcher doesn't make Nyjer a thug.

Colliding with the Marlins catcher and knocking him out for the season doesn't make Nyjer a thug.

Stealing two bases after being HBP in retaliation doesn't make Nyjer a thug.

Charging the mound after the pitcher throws behind him doesn't make Nyjer a thug.

What makes Nyjer a thug is the way he jaws with fans after knocking out their catcher, the way he jaws with the opponents as he steals his way around the bases, and the way he thumps his chest and raises his hands in triumph to taunt the opponents and the fans as he is dragged off the field following the brawl he started.

It's not what Nyjer does that makes him a thug, it's the way he does it. And it doesn't matter that he's black, either. If he was a white guy acting the same way, he'd be a thug too.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

This is a vanilla team, with vanilla players. Our biggest "enforcer", the big donkey is about the nicest guy in baseball. Our best player (Ryan Zimmerman) hasn't sinned once in his whole life. Our leadership is suspect because this is a young team at the end of the day. Strasmas came in and starred a couple guys down and added a bit of fire to our guys, but other than that we really are simply a vanilla team. You give me ONE vanilla team that has won a world series?!?!

This is a violent game people. You throw with violence, you run with violence, you violently sacrifice your body to catch a ball. You slide violently when you are trying to steal a base or score. This is the game. It's always been this way, in fact it's only gotten tamer if you look at the history of the game.

So I have a HUGE issue with people getting on the ONE guy on this team with some gumph. You PLAY TO WIN THE GAME! He's got some fire in him. It's about time someone charged home to score. Perhaps the Cards game was a bit foolish, but anyone that watched the game on Monday with out bias knows that in the heat of a moment, you make a split decision, and in that moment Nyjer probably felt his best option to score was to barrel a catcher over. Did he do it intentionally? If he did, WHO CARES?! It's a part of baseball. Subsequently, he takes a pitch in the ribs and walks it off. He then sees TWO of his teammates get pegged (mind you the Marlins are trying to fight at this point), and he then gets thrown at a second time. Ray Knight argued that it was classless to steal bases after getting hit. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! You are trying to win a baseball game. Are you telling me that it's classy to simply give up? To lose? Not in this country bubba. This is America, we fight to the end and we WIN at the end.

Nyjer Morgan is about as American as it gets right now. This guy is scrappy, he sticks up for his teammates, he talks back when harassed, he barrel's over guys twice his size and he will punch you in the mouth if you cross the line. So he's not the most sophisticated guy on the ball club. So he's a bit irritable. If you want to get on Nyjer, get on him because of his less than accurate arm, or because he doesn't hit the cut off man, or because he missed a call. Don't get on him for scrapping, for showing effort, for trying to score, and for being the only guy on the team willing to do what it takes.

I can assure you that Nyjers actions this past week will wake this team up. These guys will be more united and willing to stick up for each other. These guys will be a better team.

Here's a thought, the Nats team colors are Red, White and Blue. Hopefully they can remember that and look a little less vanilla. If you want vanilla, go north on 95 and watch cheer for a cellar team for the next two decades. Not in this town. This is NATS town and today Nyjers town!

Posted by: NatsandSkinsareclassclassclass | September 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Not to interrupt the Nyjer argument or anything, but I just heard a rumor that Screech's Best Friend from the Nats320 blog is going to be the color guy for the rest of the season.

Posted by: BobLHead | September 2, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of playing baseball at any level, dargregmag, have any major leaguers--retired or active--come forth in defense of Nyjer yet? Of course, the opinion of anyone connected with the Nats or Marlins is disqualified. My sense is that the vets
--Ray Knight, Harold Reynolds, Barry Larkin, Sean Casey, etc--have been critical. A lot of blather here by the likes of us on baseball's etiquette and unwritten rules but I'm afraid our votes don't count.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | September 2, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

One Stupid Question:

I wounder how Frank Robinson would have handled Nyjer and his Hyjinx?

Posted by: hansenjo | September 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

dargregmag: I'm with you on this. I don't understand the venom for Nyjer. Sure, he's had a subpar year on the field, but I love how he's played hard and with passion since he arrived from Pittsburgh.

As for Nats fans letting opposing teams' fans take over Nats Park, that indeed is pathetic. It's time to stand up to the crass, racist, rude fans who invade our stadium.

During the Phillies' last series at Nats Park, Nats fans let the Philly fan scum get away with way too much. For the Saturday night game when Zimmerman hit the walk-off homer, family members were seated in the center field seats where they heard a constant barrage of racist comments aimed at Nyjer throughout the entire game -- and this was at Nats Park, not in Philly. Security did nothing.

And when my family members cheered for Nyjer at one point in the game, they got beer thrown on them. They informed security, but security did nothing because they couldn't identify exactly the culprits. That entire section of Phillies fans in center field should have been rounded up and kicked out of the stadium. But the Lerners don't want to anger opposing team fans because they're greedy -- remember not paying rent during the 1st year the taxpayer-funded Nats Park was open. They want to ensure the Phillies, Mets, Cardinals fans return to Nats Park instead of making the game-day experience enjoyable for Nats fans.

Posted by: HonestBroker1 | September 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If it were cool for teams to throw at guys for not doing the smart thing on the field, we would have a LOT more fights in baseball. Would they still have thrown at him the second time if Davis had caught him stealing one of those times? Or was it just the audacity to steal in that situation, successful or not? Are the Florida Marlins now the arbiters of smart baseball?
Bottom line, the fight doesn't happen if the Marlins aren't so mortally offended and throw at him again.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 2, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I would suggest the Lerners have a personalized check created that says "the Marlins can rot in hell." Then they can begin to spend money for team to assure that not only the Marlins rot in hell, but the Phillies too.

Posted by: Juliasdad | September 2, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@dargreg - Jurgensen9 makes a good point. Frank Robinson would surely have supported throwing at Nyjer after he swiped those two bases.

You wrote "Nyjer is my idea of a teamate he play's hard and he's not going to stand there and let himself be pushed around "

See, my idea of a teamate is someone who puts the team before himself, as Nyjer is the opposite of that.
Nyjer did not steal those bases because it was smart baseball. Down 14 - 3, it's dumb baseball. There ain't a manager in MLB that would call for an SB when they need to score runs in bunches.
Nyjer stole those bases for Nyjer. He stole those bases to send a message to the Marlins.
He puts himself, his ego, above the team.

He should have taken the HBP calmly (like he did) and then just played baseball. But he couldn't do that. He had to escalate it by sending a message back to the Marlins.

And yes, I'm very confident that Frank Robby would have ordered him hit again.


Posted by: Sunderland | September 2, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"These guys will be more united and willing to stick up for each other. These guys will be a better team."

IMO this will be because of his absence not his actions

Posted by: sjt1455 | September 2, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer Morgan is about as American as it gets right now.
Posted by: NatsandSkinsareclassclassclass | September 2, 2010 2:39 PM |

I agree. Look at the stock market, it is having a Nyjer Morgan kind of year.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 2, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

FeelWood,

It's not what Nyjer does that makes him a thug, it's the way he does it. And it doesn't matter that he's black, either. If he was a white guy acting the same way, he'd be a thug too.
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I call B*ll Sh*t on this. If this was Michael Morse we were talking about, he would be "playing with an edge" or he would be a "hard nosed player."

Look, I would agree that Nyjer has made some questionable decisions on the field, with his play. the Cardinal catcher situation last week, getting picked off to much, and throwing to the wrong base.

But, I don't think he is a "Thug" or a bad guy. He plays hard and with emotion, like what you would expect from a former hockey player.

I also think based on the some Phillie fans comments who were in the section where he threw the ball. I think that was an accident and not intentional.


Posted by: Section505203 | September 2, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Thank you comish4lif. Finally someone articulates it well.

Because stealing was such a strategically poor decision there could be only one reason Nyjer stole, to say FU to the Marlins. The Marlins simply said MFU back.

Nyjer does not have major league talent. A player of Nyjer's skill level has to do the little things well. Nyjer does none of the little things well. Those who will miss Nyjer are kidding themselves that he would ever be part of a winning baseball team.

Thank goodness Zman was held out of the lineup and Strasburg wasn't around to be dragged down by this fool.

Posted by: nfb987 | September 2, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

i don't understand why this is so difficult to understand. isn't it another unwritten rule that you don't purposely run up the score? like, oh i don't know, 14-3? in which case, weren't the Marlins guilty of violating an "unwritten rule"? where is the condemnation of that?

Posted by: ceejay3

It's not running up the score when the opposing pitcher is serving up batting practice fastballs. It's running up the score when you steal with a ten-run lead, or knock down the catcher when you have a ten-run lead, or suicide squeeze when you have a ten-run lead.

Why don't you have a look at the line score for the Mariners-Indians game of August 5, 2001?

Mariners led 12-0 after 3, 14-2 after 5. Indians got 3 in the 7th, 4 in the 8th, and 5 in the 9th to tie it. They then won the game in the 11th, 15-14.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Folks, seems we're having a hard time separating two things here: (1) Nyjer's value to the Nats long-term given his bone-headed PLAY this season; and (2) Nyjer's actions in defending himself and his teammates last night.

I grant that much can be debated about point 1 -- it's hardly clear where he fits in the plans. And he's no doubt made some DUMB mistakes. But let's keep point 2 in context. He had already been hit once, as had TWO OF HIS TEAMMATES, before the second effort to plunk him. Who made the Marlins arbiters of how much retribution is appropriate for his hit on the catcher? Enough was enough, and he let them know it.

By the way, being angry at Nyjer for last night's defense tactics BECAUSE of his season-long other mistakes is unfair. It's almost as bad as the Marlins all but admitting that they were plunking him BECAUSE of his actions against the Cardinals. Shouldn't the Cards, if anyone, get to defend themselves for the hit on Anderson? Two separate Marlins admitted that the play against their own catcher was ONLY seen as dirty b/c of the other hit against the Cards. In other words, it wasn't dirty at all, they were just mad about something else. Talk about Bush.

Bottom line - we can debate all we want to about his value to the team. But I don't think there's any doubt he did the right thing last night. And I actually think his teammates and manager agree - the Marlins are the ones who took it too far.

Finally, and then I'll stop, I have no trouble hating the Fish. Let's never forget that their current owner literally gutted our franchise, right down to the computers and desk chairs. He scuttled the ship and then just before it sank he jumped off and took his circus to Miami. Loria is at least as responsible as Uncle Ted for any shortcomings on the current Nats.

Posted by: cdstej | September 2, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Between Strasburg and Morgan, I think we've been the talk of MLB more this year than the past 5 years combined. I think that makes us relevant, or something.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 2, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I call B*ll Sh*t on this. If this was Michael Morse we were talking about, he would be "playing with an edge" or he would be a "hard nosed player."

Posted by: Section505203 | September 2, 2010 2:51 PM

But Morse isn't acting like this, no one else is. No one was calling him a thug until he started acting like one. Maybe if he was hitting 290 and had a successful steal %age he's be "playing with an edge" but he isn't, he's making horrible decisions on a daily basis.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 2, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

One thing to say in Nyjer's favor. He probably single-handedly has assured a higher turn out for the upcoming home series against FLA. Should be fun.

Posted by: DavidandDonald1 | September 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Cap, this is a different game than the one that Reynolds and Ray played in the 80's so their opinion is not that relevant.

Today's players play hard when down because as the rockies showed a week or so ago(while atempting a few steals), you can come back from 10-1 and win. What was the other team that scored 10 in the 9th to wind a few days ago?

Posted by: alm1000 | September 2, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

SCNatsFan,

The issue has offically flown way over your head. Please carry on.

Posted by: Section505203 | September 2, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

sec505, keep making it racial. On some level you think it will make you relevant.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 2, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I'd call Nyjer's SBs last night an "FU to the Marlins." Here's why:

Marlins up by a touchdown and a field goal. Nyjer figures, probably rightly, that the Fish are figuring "We have this game won - we can relax a little."

If they're relaxing, then Nyjer's stolen base attempts aren't high-risk small ball any more.

Seems to me the message Nyjer was sending was, "Yeah, we're down, but you still have to play the whole game if you're going to beat us." And Nyjer doesn't hit home runs, so he does what he does best - steal bases. Why is he a bad guy just because he caught the Marlins napping and took advantage?

Mind you, I'm not trying to say he's not rapidly wearing out his welcome in DC. But I'm not going to go hating on him because he kept trying to win by doing what he gets paid to do, scoreboard be damned.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that Morgan is acting like a thug - I think he's acting like someone who is backed into a corner. Morgan is a marginal MLB player. He came here last year, and in a small number of games played better than he had in the past and gave us reason to be optimistic. But, this year, he hasn't played well at all.

And all of his mistakes this year are valid discussion points, if Morgan had a solid season and then ran over Brett Hayes, it's a different situation. But he's had problems in the field (bad routes, missing the cutoff man, a tantrum against the Mutts), problems at bat (a .319 OBP), and problems on the bases (lots of Caught stealing and too many pickoffs). So, now - over the past month - I think Morgan is playing under pressure - the pressure that he is putting on himself that he is trying to save his career. I think it's a valid thought for Morgan, but he isn't responding well to the pressure.

I don't know what happened in Philly, but what Morgan needed to do after filing his appeal was to be a model citizen.

And since then, he's charged the Card's catcher, ended the season of the Marlins catcher on a questionable play and participated in a brawl. I don't see this ending well for Morgan.

And frankly, I'm puzzled by those that are defending him. I remember he gave us a great month last year, but I haven't seen much of that guy in 2010. And it's not as if Morgan has a long successful career to use as a fall back position. I think he's more likely to be the 2010 Nyjer Morgan going forward and less likely to be the August 2009 Nyjer Morgan.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I object to the effort by some to make this a race issue. It is a simple fact that Nyjer was wrong. I don't care if he is white, black, brown, purple or polka-dot. He is still wrong. If Volstad had wanted to hit him again he certainly could have. He is a good pitcher. Why did Nyjer get upset about having a ball thrown 3 feet behind him. The wind of the ball's passage could not have hurt him. It is simply a case of Nyjer being upset because he has shown recently that he is not a very good baseball player. And he wants to show everyone that the little guy can have, in his mind, guts. As for as the play at home plate, I have seen the re-run many times. Nyjer should have slid. The base was not blocked. I am not upset about him stealing the bases even though it was probably a dumb idea. However, that is his game. Go for it, just don't get caught again. It appears to me that about half way to home plate, he had made up his mind to hurt the catcher, not make him drop the ball. Look at the re-play carefully and draw an honest analysis of the look on his face and his demeanor. Just like the play on the previous home plate decision the other day, he should have slid. MLB cannot condone such play. Sit him down for the year at least.

Posted by: crimsonmac | September 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game when the fight happen and when he ran into Brett Hayes, that guy should be removed from the league. Volstad should of stayed out of it but dont blame the guy for attacking Morse. The coach on the washington side attacked Volstad, that guy should be suspened. Gaby Sanchez clothlined Morse was great to see.

Veras was ejected for arguing with the Umpire not for fighting. Both Mangers were ejected because their opening pitchers were, the pitcher for WASHINTON after the fight, Hit Gaby Sanchez with a pitch to the ribb.

NICE FIGHT! MARLINS RULE

Posted by: stitchfanricky | September 2, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game when the fight happen...

Posted by: stitchfanricky

No you weren't. We've seen the video. NOBODY goes to Marlins games.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"I call B*ll Sh*t on this. If this was Michael Morse we were talking about, he would be "playing with an edge" or he would be a "hard nosed player."

If Michael Morse takes out the catcher, steals bases after getting plunked and charges the mound after being thrown behind while keeping his mouth shut the whole while, he's a hard nosed player. If he does those things while physically and verbally taunting the fans and the opposition like Nyjer did, then he's a thug. Just like Nyjer is.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. I'm with others here who say you DEFEND your team (and your stadium) when it is attacked. If we do nothing, we're gonna keep having other teams bully us, keep having other fans boo our all star on our opening day, etc... (You can blame Stan for selling all those tickets, but blame ourselves for letting us get out-cheered; there were NOT more philly fans than DC fans in that stadium, they were just more passionate about their team).

That's not the same as defending Morgan's whole season. But you do stick together when you wear the curly W. We need some more of it, I agree. And I simply find incomprehensible the notion that what Nyjer did with respect to last night's incident would be better or more acceptable if he had a higher OBP or fewer CF miscues. He's having an iffy season, so what? That means he has to take being attacked TWICE (and have two teammmates hit as well) for making a tough, but legitimate effort to score in a 0-0 game in extra innings? If he were .290 the answer should not be any different.

Posted by: cdstej | September 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"In all fairness to Volstad, he didn't exactly hit Nyjer the 2nd time around."

No, but he'd hit two other Nats. The umpires get a piece of the blame on this - they shouldn't allow anyone to stay on the mound long enough to be threatening their fourth HBP "lesson" of the game.

On the "players have good years and players have bad years" argument: Morgan has never had a good year. He had a career six weeks after the trade last year, but his performance this year is a lot more representative of his career. I've got no problem with most of what he did last night (could do without the jawing at the fans), but he'd earned a ticket out of town in the offseason already.

Posted by: zimbar | September 2, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

If the Dolphins had any guts they would have thrown the ball to hit the 2nd time. But they don't and didn't.

Only thing Morgan did wrong was he didn't duck the cloths-line.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I can agree that Nyjer wasn't saying FU Marlins, only because he has no clue about baseball strategy anyways. I will guarentee you this, if he had been thrown out stealing on either of those attempts, the first and most logical reaction from coaches, commentators and fans would have been, "What are you doing? We're down by 10 runs, a stolen base means nothing. Base runners mean everything." And that is what the Marlins said, and that is why they came to the conclusion that he was saying FU.

Posted by: nfb987 | September 2, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

To all those arguing that Morgan plays baseball "the right way, with passion," here is the flaw in your argument. Both times he ran into the catcher last week, he failed to actually score the run, because both times he failed to actually touch home plate (which, both times, was unblocked). Morgan is not "passionate about the game"; he is a troubled man with serious anger management issues that are affecting, at the very least, the quality of his professional work. His behavior is not something to celebrate.

Posted by: ammonite88 | September 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

sec505, keep making it racial. On some level you think it will make you relevant.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 2, 2010 3:07 PM
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Like I said, keep it movin' because you flat out don't get it.

Posted by: Section505203 | September 2, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

But again, nfb987, you have to figure the Marlins were relaxing and not paying as much attention to Morgan when he stole those bases as they would have been had it been the late innings of a tie game. His chances of getting thrown out probably dropped from 40% to 20% or even 10%. Why should he NOT take advantage? He's not going to hit a home run, certainly not while he's standing on first. Why shouldn't he get into scoring position if he can do it with minimal risk?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

alm1000,

Maybe you're right: perhaps the game has changed in that respect since the 1980s. But could you please explain that to the Marlins? Maybe they're stuck in a time warp down there.

Posted by: CapPeterson1 | September 2, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I expect numerous players and coaches on both teams will receive suspensions and fines, as will the respective managers. However, the umpiring crew also deserves a rebuke for the job they did, or, more precisely, didn't do.

Posted by: austinrl | September 2, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Gilbertbp in a vaccum I'll grant you all those points. But this didn't occur in a vaccum. This wasn't just a player trying to ignite a team. It also falls in the general percentages phase of playing baseball over 162 games. In general, the benefits from stealing while trailing by more than 4 runs are not worth the risk, even when that risk is greatly reduced.

By the way this happens all the time in 9th with 2 outs and leads of more than 1. That's why we have the term "catcher's indifference". The Marlins would not have cared if it wasn't Nyjer. And neither would we. Its just a bad baseball play, and there were reprocussions. It didn't help the nats win, will cost his teammates games in terms of suspensions, somewhat sullies Riggleman's reputation because he has to save face and "defend" Nyjer when most baseball people are shaking their heads.

Upside it is creating some legit baseball strategy descussions in DC and evaluations of the team, which can only help build the fan base.

(by the way of course his teammates defend him, of course the manager publicly supports him, but you also quietly let him go in November)

Posted by: nfb987 | September 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what Dibbs would have said last night?

Posted by: hansenjo | September 2, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand baseball, he shouldn't have stolen or played small ball because they were down by 10 or 11 runs? But it was in the 4th inning...should the Nats have stopped trying? Again, it was the 4th inning. Phoukin baseball pussy's. It's these types of arguments by baseball enthusiasts that's making baseball the 4th most popular sport. Man up, baseball.

Posted by: luvdc808 | September 2, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It's sort of like attempting two fake field goals in a row. Or attempting nothing but threes in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. Or attempting nothing but slap shots from the blue line instead of crashing the net.

Posted by: nfb987 | September 2, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Right on Ammonite88! What is there to get, Section505203?,

Posted by: crimsonmac | September 2, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

To all those arguing that Morgan plays baseball "the right way, with passion," here is the flaw in your argument. Both times he ran into the catcher last week, he failed to actually score the run, because both times he failed to actually touch home plate (which, both times, was unblocked). Morgan is not "passionate about the game"; he is a troubled man with serious anger management issues that are affecting, at the very least, the quality of his professional work. His behavior is not something to celebrate.

Posted by: ammonite88
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He actually did touch HP on Tuesday night, but your point is well made -- this is not hard play, it is Nyjer's anger issue that is playing out and it is physically dangerous to him, his teammates, and his opponents -- whether to the fans Bob Watson will determine that. This is not hard playing -- it is being out of control and in a rage. That has nothing to do with whether Morgan was within the unwritten rules of the game in stealing bases while 10 runs down (not good baseball strategy) or whether the Marlins were wrong in throwing at him again -- if it was to a player acting normally, they were wrong. But Nyjer is not a normal player now, he is a man who sees his career going down the tubes because he has proven he isn't good enough to play at this level -- we're supposed to admire his fire for his own frustration that endangers his teammates in a brawl he was hoping would happen to call attention to himself?

Yes, a team needs fire, but it shouldn't come from a man who is "on fire" becasue he was demoted to 8th and then calls out his manager in public -- is that who you want for a leader? When he threw his glove instead of preventing an inside the park HR was that "showing fire" or stupidity or just plain self-indulgence?

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | September 2, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Skins and Nats: You have said what i've said since the all-star break they are the easiest going team in MLB, Dunn and Zimm are two of the nicest guy's on the club i seroiusly doubt if they have ever said anything to anyone on the team other than "let's go have a cold one" and that is exactly the reason why everyone is ragging on Nyjer because he dared upset the calm apple cart, you guy's can drag out all the stat's you want the sabermetrics(or whatever it's called),the bill james bullsh#t that has him making millions while the Red Sox watch the Yankees and Rays fight for the division i for one want the guy who will stand up for himself i want Nyjer on my team.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 2, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

When he climbed the wall in Balt to make that catch saving a hr? I remember Guzman having a year he barely hit .200. Nyjer was amazing last year and had moments this one. If one more idiot talks about GETTING THIS TEAM A RUN by stealing 2 bases when down by 11 and scoring on a sac fly as stupid. What is Adam Dunn's avarage in clutch situations. A great player but with faults. The head case here was Volstead for hitting three hitters. He shoulda been gone b4 Nyjer batted again.

Posted by: golo1 | September 2, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Some of the logic here almost suggests Phillies Fans are directly responsible for all the recent bad behavior of Morgan because they 'set him off'. Wow. I thought people were responsible for their *own actions*. Crazy, I know, but I thought Morgan could decide for himself how to react to missed fly balls, loud mouth fans and winger pitches.

I'm a Phillies fan and didn't know I had so this mind control power!!! I should have bought tickets to Braves Opening Day instead of Nats. I mean I could have been using my Evil Phillies Fans Power of Turning a Guy Into a Jerk on someone like Melky Cabrera instead of wasting it on Morgan! Geez, silly me! The tasers must have made me forget!

Seriously, this guy is aiming to really hurt someone over stupid taunts and miss by a mile wingers. Put him down like he dog he is, and get back to being a respected team.

Posted by: lunastrixae | September 2, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

So he was an idiot for not scoring Tues night and an idiot for doing scoring in an inning where there was no hit Wed. Stop being stupid crappy loser fans. This team has too much promise for you.

Posted by: golo1 | September 2, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Morgan is an embarrasment to Nationals fans. He's a gdamn knucklehead with not a brain in his head. From his emotional outburst to not following a ball bouncing off the wall to these gdamn hitting a catcher when he could have slid to this stealing when nobody was guarding any bag then to his taunting fans as the stupid bastard is being escorted off the field. No way the Nats cut him or suspend but they should. Same franchise who fired Rob Dibble after comments about the Nats spoiled brat prima donna Strasburg. I'm sick and tired of this damn team. Get rid of Estupido Morgan and bring back Dibble.

Posted by: getitritegov | September 2, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: richs91

In all fairness to Volstad, he didn't exactly hit Nyjer the 2nd time around.

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Maybe because Volstad is a bush leaguer with no control.
The Marlins are a scum team with less class than Morgan.

Posted by: pjohn2 | September 2, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's time to change the rule so that it's not legal to run into the catcher when trying to score. Really, when was the last time you saw a catcher drop the ball in a collision? Ever? When was the last time you saw either the catcher or the runner injured? Time for a change!

As for Morgan, let's just give him the Kanye West award, and move on to a better season in 2011 with him or without him.

Posted by: nobleman1 | September 2, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Your tenacity is admirable, dargregmag, and BinM deserves thanks for pointing out what should be obvious: Too many people are taking it all out on Nyger for another bad Nats' season. Looking at it yet again, I can't fault the steals. Screw the fish!

Unrelated, I would encourage folks who post more than 10 or so lines at a time to break them into paragraphs. It's easy to do, and especially necessary when you move on to a new topic. Makes it a lot easier to read. Thanks.

Posted by: nats24 | September 2, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

If I were Nyjer Morgan i would have taken the bat with me the second time.

Posted by: trebla777 | September 2, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Nothing new to add, but I'm with Plush on this one.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 2, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, the NYT has less than perfect presentation, but that doesn't make *them* illiterate. Some people point out mistakes on blogs. Get over it yourself.
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This is a blog. Blogs have less than perfect presentation. Get over it.
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Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 2, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Unrelated, I would encourage folks who post more than 10 or so lines at a time to break them into paragraphs. It's easy to do, and especially necessary when you move on to a new topic. Makes it a lot easier to read. Thanks.

Posted by: nats24 | September 2, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Heh. You got guys who can't be troubled to hit the shift key at the beginning of a sentence, or the period key at the end (yeah, I'm talking to you, dargregmag), and you expect them to say to themselves, "Hmmm, I'm changing topics / making a new or different point here, so maybe I should hit the 'enter' key to start a new paragraph."

Good luck with that. Let us know how it works out.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 2, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nyjer did lose his temper, has a thug attitude, but on average, did what any hard playing, gritty, aggressive player would have done in that situation. His energy level is high, every time he's on the field, and he is an asset to the Nationals. I hope they realize they need more gritty and aggressive players in their lineup next year, cause with that attitude they can win more games instead of taking a beating night after night.

Posted by: j_belljr | September 2, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Could someone please let me know just where those 18,000 plus attendees were sitting these last few games in FL? All we see are empty orange seats and the accoustics make it sound as though the games is being played in someone's backyard.

Posted by: Z914 | September 2, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

@Z914: That is the paid attendance...nowhere clost to that shows up. Was watching a game last year on MASN with my son...It was in Florida...

Midway through the game, my son said, "I think I just heard somebody fart."

Posted by: TimDz | September 2, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Nyjer did lose his temper, has a thug attitude, but on average, did what any hard playing, gritty, aggressive player would have done in that situation. His energy level is high, every time he's on the field, and he is an asset to the Nationals. I hope they realize they need more gritty and aggressive players in their lineup next year, cause with that attitude they can win more games instead of taking a beating night after night.

Posted by: j_belljr | September 2, 2010 8:30 PM
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asset? you're off by two letters...he tends to play like he has he head UP his asset...

Posted by: TimDz | September 2, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer is not a thug and to suggest that says a lot about a number of you who post on this blog, and i don't want to hear anything about what Harold Reynolds has got to say about this situation, Reynolds was fired from ESPN for allegedly having an affair with a white intern and when he tried to defend himself he was fired so don't look for Reynolds to come to Nyjers defense and don't look for any of these ex major leaguers who work for these networks to take up for a player like Nyjer they want to keep their jobs. I saw Rick what's his name on CNN weighing in on "the brawl" i just shook my head what in the hell does he know about the game. This team of vanilla fudge players had better grow some balls or we'll never win anything.

Posted by: dargregmag | September 2, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

@TimDz: That's funny! But it's really bizarre hearing such a high number announced as you're looking at an almost empty stadium. Thanks.

Posted by: Z914 | September 2, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Sec3mysofa "To be fair, the NYT has less than perfect presentation, but that doesn't make *them* illiterate. Some people point out mistakes on blogs. Get over it yourself."

Illiterate? Not by a long shot. I make a very good living, in large part, writing. I can find the errors quickly, as can most of the NatsJ bloggers. But why bother to point them out? The fact is that all national papers are up against the wall. They are trying to survive. WaPo is trying all sorts of new things, including immediate posting of info of interest to all sorts of people. Here, Nats fans. They have very few staff left. They have no time to edit blogs. So why point out the errors, other than to say you are superior?

I spent the summer in St Louis. They love their Cards, but their paper is really on the ropes and can't even come close to the coverage we get here. So, you really should be grateful, and give the working stiffs a break and quit picking nits.

Posted by: NatsFly | September 2, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say YOU were illiterate, I said the mistakes were.
Anyhow, get used to it, cuz it ain't goin nowhere.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 2, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Count me in as a Nyger supporter too. I don't like everything he does, but I think some of this outrage is misguided.

1. Why didn't he slide the other night? He slid in the Cards game and missed the base. From the beginning of the season he had trouble with feet first slides. So he tried to score the way he knew how. By the way, for all you hard core fans. Why is it if Pete Rose bowls over a catcher in an exhibition AS game, He's a hero? Or, Pete Rose would have been a hero if he had done it in a game that COUNTED. Well Nyger does it and now he's a THUG? ! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

Last year Nyger is Praised for being aggressive on the basepaths and is given the green light at will. This year, he may be caught because now the teams know to watch out for him. This year when he tries to steal bases its because he's selfish or to show up the team that is ahead by 10 runs? I thought it was the team player that tries to put himself in scoring position.

3. Philly in incident? I don't think it ever happened. With what NATS 320 experienced in Philly last year?! The abuse by Phans as well as their so called security or lack there of. All I can say is CONSIDER THE SOURCE! So he deked a fake throw at the END of a game. Wah wah wah! Get over it.

There seems to be a double standard here people!

PS. Don't keep pointing to that glove throw down. You'd. Be ticked too if you thought you helped a ball over the fence and let your team down.

Posted by: CALSGR8 | September 2, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Count me in as a Nyger supporter too. I don't like everything he does, but I think some of this outrage is misguided.

1. Why didn't he slide the other night? He slid in the Cards game and missed the base. From the beginning of the season he had trouble with feet first slides. So he tried to score the way he knew how. By the way, for all you hard core fans. Why is it if Pete Rose bowls over a catcher in an exhibition AS game, He's a hero? Or, Pete Rose would have been a hero if he had done it in a game that COUNTED. Well Nyger does it and now he's a THUG? ! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

Last year Nyger is Praised for being aggressive on the basepaths and is given the green light at will. This year, he may be caught because now the teams know to watch out for him. This year when he tries to steal bases its because he's selfish or to show up the team that is ahead by 10 runs? I thought it was the team player that tries to put himself in scoring position.

3. Philly in incident? I don't think it ever happened. With what NATS 320 experienced in Philly last year?! The abuse by Phans as well as their so called security or lack there of. All I can say is CONSIDER THE SOURCE! So he deked a fake throw at the END of a game. Wah wah wah! Get over it.

There seems to be a double standard here people!

PS. Don't keep pointing to that glove throw down. You'd. Be ticked too if you thought you helped a ball over the fence and let your team down.

Posted by: CALSGR8 | September 2, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

1. Why didn't he slide the other night? He slid in the Cards game and missed the base. From the beginning of the season he had trouble with feet first slides.
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Well no. He went in standing and missed the plate (as my whole row saw from the stands) because he went left to try to hit the catcher. He is not playing hard -- he is playing out of control. There is a huge difference and it could cost any one of his teammates his career.

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | September 3, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I've heard "colour commentators" telling of how Don Drysdale would hit a batter and then ask him where he wanted the next one (i.e. hip or ribs) when he drilled them again on a "pick-off". That sounds as "old school" as it gets.

A previous poster on this thread suggested that we all take a closer look at the collision against the Marlin's catcher.
Good idea!
For me, a closer examination shows Nyjer's right foot hitting the plate just in front of the catcher's left foot. Momentum caused Nyjer's foot to slide forward, pushing the catcher's foot back, just an instant before contact.
SAFE!

Posted by: shygaard | September 3, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I haven't gone back and looked at the replay, but I thought initially it looked like his foot may have been on the plate before contact. Since no one else made the point thought I just missed it. Have to go back and look again now.

Posted by: marathoner | September 3, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

For me, a closer examination shows Nyjer's right foot hitting the plate just in front of the catcher's left foot. Momentum caused Nyjer's foot to slide forward, pushing the catcher's foot back, just an instant before contact.
SAFE!

Posted by: shygaard
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It was not a force play, so where the C's foot was is irrelevant -- did he tag NM before Morgan's foot touched HP is the issue on safe v. out and at the time I thought he was out. But the real issue is that Morgan was going to run the C down no matter what rather than try to be safe -- just watch him as he rounds third and comes down the line -- he had no intention of sliding, no matter how beneficial it would have been. Not smart baseball.

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | September 3, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer rounded third with no intention of sliding because he had no indication at that point that he would need to slide, given the common assumption held at that juncture that the throw was going to first base to attempt the inning ending double play.

There was no tag before the collision and careful examination of the proper replay perspective(tight close-up, goodly potion of the plate visible) clearly shows Nyjer's foot hitting the plate before Nyjer hits the catcher.

Given some of the safe -called -out slides at home plate that the Nats were robbed on earlier this year, there is no reason to safely assume that a slide in this instance would have resulted in a safe call.

Posted by: shygaard | September 3, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

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