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Today's lineup

Nyjer Morgan is in center field again for the Nationals, meaning they still have not heard final word on the appeal of his dual suspensions. The Nationals will start five rookies including starter Yunesky Maya, with Danny Espinosa leading off. Also, Roger Bernadina batting third is something slightly different -- Adam Dunn moves back to fifth.

Nationals
1. Danny Espinosa, 2B
2. Ian Desmond, SS
3. Roger Bernadina, LF
4. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B
5. Adam Dunn, 1B
6. Michael Morse, RF
7. Nyjer Morgan, CF
8. Wilson Ramos, C
9. Yunesky Maya, SP

By Adam Kilgore  |  September 13, 2010; 1:30 PM ET
 
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Comments

Odds of Natinals losing again today are the same as the odds of the sun coming up tomorrow.

hahahahhahaha

Gosh, the Natinals probably couldn't even beat some AA/AAA teams.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 13, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Back to the alternating left-right-left-right ... its a fair lineup given the circumstances and the situation. Its the double switches bringing in sub-mendoza hitting in key innings and situations that drives a typical fan batty.

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

It must be that they are really looking into the incident in Philly because it seems that they overreacted. There is no other reason for them to take this long to issue a ruling.

Posted by: brothbart | September 13, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

To carry over the brief discussion on risk...

My thoughts are building through the draft is the least riskiest way to build a profitable team, but not necessarily a consistent, winning team.

Sure, you can have moderate success over a 3-4 year period and possibly reach the postseason. System building is cyclical, however. As you become better, you are less likely to be able to draft high impact players. Your management system is raided by competing teams looking for the similar positive results. Its a roller coaster even for teams that do it right.

But spending as it relates to free agency is a much less risky option to reach sustainable success. Its not a guarantee, but higher payroll teams have better long term winning percentages.

Posted by: LosDoceOcho | September 13, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

With each passing day it's looking more and more likely that the verdict on Nyjer will be to uphold the full 15 games of suspension. They are probably waiting to announce it until there are only 15 games left, so as to just shut him down for the season. Otherwise, what would be the point to the delay? With any decent size of suspension, they'd be having him come back with only a few games left to play. Might as well have him play those games before the suspension starts.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 13, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the Natinals will be looking for, yet another new manager, (like what their 4th since moving to DC?).

Meanwhile, the Fighting Showalter's have a very competent manager who has been there, and done that.

O's > Natinals.

That's the truth, cause Stone Cold says so!!!!!!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 13, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? The manager cannot stop Morgan from running? Can someone fill Jim in, Morgan cannot steal when he's riding the pine. If you want to send a message loud and clear, the perfect time would have been getting caught with 2 outs and the pitcher hitting. As manager, I would have met him at the foul line as a new CFer was trotting out to the field.

After all of the mistakes that Morgan has made this year, base running blunders, getting picked off, and in the field, a tantrum, throwing to the wrong base, airmailing the cutoff man, I'm at a loss as to why people continue to defend him. Sure, he's probably not the biggest problem on the team, but he's not part of the long term answer. He's not even young enough to get away with these rookie mistakes. In the Majors and Minors he has 5000-6000 innings in the outfield, shouldn't he know his cuts by now?

Posted by: comish4lif | September 13, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

A question for NatsFly, who is considering whether to renew the season ticket:

The Nats have $23.5 million in freed-up salary going into the off-season, counting Capps, Guz and Dunn. So they should get some interesting replacements, even if they keep their payroll in the low-to-mid-sixties of millions, among the lowest in all of baseball. Will that be enough for you to renew your season ticket, assuming they spend that replacement money wisely? After all, the new players will be added to all the young talent that they are developing. There will be some excitement, and I think we can count on that going into 2011.

Their payroll numbers have been remarkably consistent, year-to-year, ever since the Lerners took over. Basically, the payroll numbers have replicated the payroll level when MLB as a whole owned the Nats. So will you renew, or hold out for a new direction altogether?

Posted by: EdDC | September 13, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

FeelWood, I had the same thought, re: hold off the suspension until it would encompass the remainder of the season. I just didn't think they could make the timing work.

My other thought was they wanted to give Nyjer an equal chance to help all the teams in the NL East beat us a few more times before suspending him. That only seems fair.

But what do I know, I'm just a "so called fan."

Posted by: baltova1 | September 13, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

EdDC writes:

... Basically, the payroll numbers have replicated the payroll level when MLB as a whole owned the Nats. ...

what an indictment of poor ownership.

pathetic


tight

skinflints [skinflint; we know that it's Ted and that Mark is sane. . . .]

Not all businesses are alike -- running a business that is based in part on appealing to the fickle sensitivities of baseball nuts, and the fickle sensitivities of fickle baseball players, is NOT thre same as building malls and appealing to the [less fickle] sensitivities of shoppers; it's a different freakin' business.

aaaargh

we're going to hate these guys when the tea draws 24K year on end -- even in the good years. . . .

Posted by: mistermuleboy | September 13, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

There's no more reason to think the verdict will be 15 games than to think the verdict will be 6 games.

What seems clear to e is that they are re-thinking and investigating the incident in Philly. And that's it's taking a long time because there may be very little evidence to support any suspension at all.

If all they had to decide was the events in Florida, they would have done that days ago when they handed down all the others.

So it's the Philly event that's the hold up, and he could get little to nothing for it.

Posted by: Sunderland | September 13, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Natinal "fans," just admit that your team is one of the worse organizations in MLB.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 13, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

ED...the Nats payroll has gone up almost $30 mil since 2007.

I'd also add another $7M+/- coming off the books for Willie, Kennedy & Batista plus the arbitration guys that probably wont be offered...Wang, Olsen, Nieves, Walker.

Posted by: LosDoceOcho | September 13, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit we're one of the worst when we've had 13 straight losing seasons.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 13, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

ED...the Nats payroll has gone up almost $30 mil since 2007.

Posted by: LosDoceOcho | September 13, 2010 2:43 PM

It's up $24 million from '07. Which is good, but not good enough. The team is still bad and needs more investment. I'm a little more optimistic that the Lerners will open the checkbook up in the long run, but try telling that to a casual fan after they let Dunn go to free agency.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 13, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

You know you're bad when you have to steal your team from Montreal.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 13, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

you guys have been excellent in ignoring p mcp - keep it up!, all he wants to do is talk trash so just ignore him and he will go away and we can continue to talk baseball. Whether we play well or not, its still baseball and its our team so just ignore him and he will go back to Terrapin Insider or Redskin Insider and try and stir them up

Posted by: sjm3091 | September 13, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

I just looked at the numbers, the Nats are getting about $31.4M off the books at the end of the season. I've included 10 players, all making $650K or more - up to Dunn's $12M. Dunn, Kennedy, Wang, Bruney, Ty Walker, Guzman, Olsen, Batista, Nieves and Willie Harris add up to $31.4 in salary.

Of course, some of that will get eaten up in raises for other players. Maya gets $2.0M next year, Harper gets $1.75M in salary and bonus, Zimmerman goes from $6.5M to $8.925M, Willingham should get a raise in arbitration, Strasburg gets a $0.5M raise... so, about $7M in increases right there.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 13, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

It's only been your team for a couple of years. Before that you "team" was.......

Yeah just like I thought, like all those bitter Ravens/Colts fans.

Oh well. O's are leaps and bounds better than the Expos, I mean Natinals.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 13, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

>With each passing day it's looking more and more likely that the verdict on Nyjer will be to uphold the full 15 games of suspension. They are probably waiting to announce it until there are only 15 games left, so as to just shut him down for the season. Otherwise, what would be the point to the delay?

Posted by: FeelWood

You could suspend him with 17 games left, bring him back for two, and maybe he'll pull his hamstring. What do we care, he won't be back here anyway.

Posted by: Brue | September 13, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Poopy? Aren't one of your truant kids at the pool waiting for a pickup? After defiling the waters with their brown submarines?

Posted by: periculum | September 13, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey McPoop, if you weren't a 15yo in your mom's basement, you'd know that the Orioles are just the relocated St. Louis Browns.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 13, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The money they wasted on Wang this year could have gone to rope in ODog. What a difference that would have made in the black hole that was 2nd base. But at leasat they signed that high character guy Kennedy. What a stiff.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 13, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Nyjer is an interesting test for Nyjer. He deserves to have the book thrown at him for the Florida fight. There simply is no excuse for charging the mound, even though Volstead was wrong to throw at him-- again. The Philly incident is another matter. Almost all available evidence points in the direction of a very small penalty, or no suspension at all. Like many outfielders all over baseball Nyjer tossed a ball to the fans. It was just bad luck that someone wasn't paying attention. Perhaps he deserves a 1 game suspension for the ongoing dialogue with the fans although it sounds like it was mostly good natured, at least on his part. But the ball toss was an accident and he should not get any further penalty for that.

So will MLB do the right thing on that incident, or split the baby, or throw the book at him because of subsequent events. What would Judge Judy do?

Posted by: Section222 | September 13, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

NutDog should have the book thrown at him just for being a complete imbicile. Anyway it would be a small price to pay for the relaxation we get not having to watch his repeated nightly adventures.

Of course unfortunately, Mr Rizzo looks at Nutdog and sees Ichiro.
Rizzo and Riggleman, R&R. Yea they deserve each other. They can watch the Os pass them by from the loft of their Pittsburgh Pirates South perches.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 13, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

ED...the Nats payroll has gone up almost $30 mil since 2007.
Posted by: LosDoceOcho | September 13, 2010 2:43 PM

It's up $24 million from '07. Which is good, but not good enough. Posted by: Kev29 | September 13, 2010 2:54 PM

Los and Kev,

Let's look at the numbers, shall we? Ted Lerner took over the during during the 2006 season, so the opening day payroll reflects the actions of MLB as a whole, when all the owners owned the Nats:

Opening Day payrolls
(Major League contracts plus pro-rated signing bonuses):
2010: $ 66,275,000
2009: $ 60,328,000
2008: $ 54,961,000
2007: $ 37,347,500
2006: $ 63,143,000

So 2010 is the first year that Lerner has outspent the MLB owners, when they owned the Nats. Moreover, the increase in payroll since 2006 has been a whopping 5 percent! Since payrolls across baseball have gone up more than 5 percent since 2006, one could say that Lerner has never caught up with MLB owners in overall payroll, whether you adjust for increases in payroll since 2006 or whether you just adjust for inflation.

My source is Cot's: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/washington-nationals_01.html

Kev and Los, what you both did was take the first year dip in payroll in 2007, which is the first year of Nats' ownership under Lerner, and then showed the improvement of almost $30 million from that one exceptionally low point. But that's using the one really down year as a basis for improvement. That year was an aberration. Since 2006, adjusting for inflation, you see no improvement. In more recent years, you see some improvement, but not much, adjusting for inflation.

Posted by: EdDC | September 13, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

>You know you're bad when you have to steal your team from Montreal.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop

I wish they would have stolen Jeffrey Loria too.

Posted by: Brue | September 13, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

You know you're bad when you have to steal your team from Montreal.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 13, 2010 2:56 PM |
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Kind of like stealing your football team from Cleveland, huh?

Posted by: TreezieFoSheezie | September 13, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

trolls are like stray cats, only not so cute and with less of a life. Quit feeding it and it will stop coming around.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 13, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

then again, given the mood in here the last few months, you kind of have to wonder what the point of trolling would be. Even the Hoser Exec was *capable* of intelligent thought, he was just to unsocialized to bother most days. Shows you how far the team has sunk, when what used to be the one tolerably interesting part of following this team, back in the Blogfather's day, is down to this.

Posted by: Sec3mysofa | September 13, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

*too* unsocialized.

damn.

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