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Today's lineup

The Nationals are getting ready to play their final home game of the 2010 season. The tarp is currently on the field, and the weather report calls for a decent chance of rain all night. The light rain doesn't seem too bad right now, though.

Here's the lineup for the Nats' last game at Nationals Park, with Ross Detwiler taking the mound.

Nationals
1. Nyjer Morgan, CF
2. Danny Espinosa, 2B
3. Ian Desmond, SS
4. Adam Dunn, 1B
5. Michael Morse, RF
6. Willie Harris, LF
7. Wilson Ramos, C
8. Alberto Gonzalez, 3B
9. Ross Detwiler, SP

By Adam Kilgore  | September 29, 2010; 2:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

Got to get Willie started eh Riggs?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

That line up is worse than most AA line-ups.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how they're going to get this one in - or the need to with the Phillies just about wrapping up home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

But I'll be there to pick up my free knit hat!

Posted by: Kev29 | September 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

so where does that place the O's line-up Poops? A?

Posted by: 1of9000 | September 29, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Now that I bother to look it up, the Phillies do have home field locked up throughout the playoffs. There will be no urgency to force guys to play in a monsoon tonight.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 29, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The Phils already have clinched HFA for the whole playoffs, so really no need to get this one in. However, I'd like to see the Nats get to 70 wins for the year, so I hope they do get the game in. 70 wins, plus a winning record (as well as a winning record against one of the NL East teams, the Braves) does count as progress in my book, however we got there.

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

That line up is worse than most AA line-ups.

...which is still three or four steps higher than the JV team once proudly known as "The Fighting Showalters."

The "Fighting Sorelosers" have lost 7 of their last eleven, for a .364 winning percentage over that stretch. Revert to the norm much?

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 29, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I'll be at the game tonight (if there is one) - Section 237 - and so help me, if I'm surrounded by a bunch of drunken Philthies fans talking smack, I will chant "Let's Go, Yankees" so loud, they'll hear me all the way up to Scranton.

Posted by: MikeH0714 | September 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

>>The "Fighting Sorelosers" have lost 7 of their last eleven, for a .364 winning percentage over that stretch. Posted by: gilbertbp


Orioles since Buck took over: 30-22.
Nats since same date: 22-31.

Let's try and keep it real. The whole picture. And which would you rather have?
Just askin.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh and BTW that Os record is against primarily the AL East. Wait till next season when you can throw some Oaklands, KCs, Indians etc into that mix. I'd call that an upward trend. Wouldn't you?

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

No way they play tonight. So the last AB by AD as a Nat may have been that monster HE to win the game. Let's hope not.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 29, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I meant HR and his last AB at Nat's Park. That's what I get for multitasking.

Posted by: twinbrook | September 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Let's try and keep it real. The whole picture. And which would you rather have?
Just askin.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 3:38 PM

I'd rather have the half-wit Orioles trolls f*€k off to baltimore.com, but I guess that's too much to ask.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 29, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"Orioles since Buck took over: 30-22.
Nats since same date: 22-31.
Let's try and keep it real. The whole picture. And which would you rather have?
Just askin."

I'd rather have the Nats 68 wins than the O's 62 wins. just sayin!

Posted by: slopitchtom | September 29, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the O's will take Dunn for Matusz even up?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

>>Orioles since Buck took over: 30-22.
Nats since same date: 22-31.
I'd rather have the half-wit Orioles trolls f*€k off to baltimore.com.Posted by: Kev29

Kevy we feel your pain. But it's misdirected. Don't hurl at the messenger. That does no good. Point it at your Nats management which has forced you into such an unpleasant demeanor and not the Os skipper. BTW Kevy, be careful around your keyboard. Wouldn't want you to hurt yourself. And we say this because we care.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

>>Maybe the O's will take Dunn for Matusz even up? Posted by: periculum

Good 1. Matusz will be outstanding next season and an ace in 2.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Look I'm a fan of both teams but lets get real the O's lineup is quite a bit better. Sure no one is on the Dunn or Zimmerman level (yet), but Dunn could be walking this year. And while Desmond and Espinosa and hopefully Ramos are ready to take the next step the Nats don't really have much else. Yes there is Willingham but his value has decreased and he might only be around another year. Bernadina is a mixed bag, and if we are counting on Morse to get 500+ at bats next season that is a joke.

The O's have vets like Roberts, Markakis and Scott, in betweeners in Jones and Pie (who aren't stars yet but show promise) and a great group of young guys with potential, Wieters and Bell, with guys like Reimold and Snyder waiting in the wings. If this team lands a big bat via trade or Free agency (i.e. Dunn) they could turn around pretty quickly. Also while not all of their young guys are at their potential, they have them under control for years to come. As for the Nats Dunn and Willingham (not to mention Pudge) could be gone after next year.

Nats have bigger stars, but the O's have the brighter future and more depth.

Posted by: Steveo11 | September 29, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant winning record AT HOME (of course).

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If you don't feed them they starve and go away...

But, human nature (on the internet, even better) being what it is, there's little hope of that...

Just means I scroll down the page much faster...

Posted by: OldDude | September 29, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Even though they are still pretty terrible, I am sad that the season is almost over. :(

Posted by: PattyinSJ | September 29, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

>>I'd rather have the Nats 68 wins than the O's 62 wins. just sayin!Posted by: slopitchtom

Bad choice. That shows you're not payin attention. If 2 stocks, teams, etc are basically equal but one got there by improving 30 % and one got there by decreasing $30 % the wise decision is to take the company with the upward trend. Those 6 win differential mean nothing. The trend means everything. But unfortunately for the Nats and their fans, that will be proven hard core and concretely next season and there will be no ambiguity about it.
The Nats have no pitching. Where are the Ws gonna come from. Lannan?
Seriously??

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Kev and longhaul for the home field advantage info. I was wondering about that but hadn't looked it up.

Even if we don't get a game in tonight, we'd still have three more shots to add to the win column at the Mets (if memory serves, we're one or two games over .500 against them this year).

Last but not least, I second the thoughts of OldDude and Patty.

Oh, and, looky there, it's a shiny, new football. Yay! This will be the year that WA pointy-ball team takes it all. Yoink. Or not (with apologies to Charles Shulz).

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 29, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Please stop responding to the O's fans. First of all, an argument about who is worse, Nats or O's, is silly cause they're both so bad. Second, it's pointless and just not interesting to interact with them, and it encourages them.

Posted by: markfromark | September 29, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

>>The O's have in betweeners in Jones (who aren't stars yet but show promise

Uh Jones was an all-star last season if memory serves.

But it's all about pitching, pitching, pitching. And going out and picking up one washed up 4+ era hurler like Jason Marquis to complement a roster of minor league throwers and then try to sell it to the masses as a great rotation aint gonna cut it and is dishonest and disengenous at best.

Oh and BTW, there was no excuse for the Nats to not sign Chapman. He was there for the taking. But a coupla mill was just too much. Man oh man.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

LOOOOOL, skins_fan did you really put Brian Roberts in your argument? Brian Roberts of 59 games played this year?? c'mon man. And let's not forget the "up and comers" on the Nats like Desmond, Espinosa, Ramos, Bernadina, Storen, Strasburg, and Zimmermann. Oh and some guy named Bryce...

Posted by: bzerante1 | September 29, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Nats have bigger stars, but the O's have the brighter future and more depth."

That might be true as of today, maybe next year.

The Nats are still recovering from years of rifling by major league baseball of every decent prospect the Expos had. And then Bowden.

BUT, Lombardozzi is almost ready. Eury Perez, Destin Hood, Kobernus, Rick Hague, Derrick Norris, JP Ramirez, Justin Bloxom, and Bryce Harper might have something to say about that in a year or so ... there's 31 homer Tyler Moore, there's still Michael Burgess and Chris Marerro. And then there's Strasburg, Solis, Milone, AJ Morris, Rosenbaum ...

THE NATS also have a bright future ... its just harder for an Angel'O's fan to see.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Correction, my last post is directed at Steveo11, NOT skins_fan. Sorry about that!

Posted by: bzerante1 | September 29, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

>>LOOOOOL, skins_fan did you really put Brian Roberts in your argument?

Honestly I don't think I mentioned BR once today. But since you brought him up, since coming off the DL he's had a great run. Yea he was injured but you can't control that. I'd take him as my leadoff hitter and 2B anyday.
Speaking of leadoff hitters.....Nah nevermind. What's the point.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Correction, my last post is directed at Steveo11, NOT skins_fan. Sorry about that!

But to skins_fan, you want to talk about washed up 4+ ERA guys, how's Kevin Millwood doing? Marquis has 1 less win in 17 less starts.

Posted by: bzerante1 | September 29, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Oh and BTW, there was no excuse for the Nats to not sign Chapman. He was there for the taking. But a coupla mill was just too much. Man oh man."

Chapman is now a reliever ... not a starter as originally projected? FAIL. Who would you rather have Storen or Chapman? I'll gladly take Storen. Throw in 97+ hard throwing Balester + Clippard?

I'll be happy with Maya if he proves he can be a reliable starter going 6-7 + innings with 3 or less earned runs consistently. Its what they need ... not another reliever.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Orioles since Buck took over: 30-22.
Nats since same date: 22-31.

Let's try and keep it real. The whole picture. And which would you rather have?
Just askin.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 3:38 PM"

Small sample size. Kinda like Nats 25-20 to start the season. So why don't you O's vs Nats guys all just go away and get back to us in about a year? That's what _I'd_ rather have.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 29, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

>>But to skins_fan, you want to talk about washed up 4+ ERA guys, how's Kevin Millwood doing? Marquis has 1 less win in 17 less starts.Posted by: bzerante1

I don't want to talk about either really. They were almost identical pickups for both teams. Millwood sucked bigtime. But he won't be back next season. Will Marquis? And will he not only be back but be the ace of the staff? That's all you need to know.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The ace is out until late 2011 (Strasburg). A healthy Marquis can be effective, I mean he did win 15 games last year. The real bust IMO for the Nats this year was Wang...

Posted by: bzerante1 | September 29, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

>>Small sample size. Kinda like Nats 25-20 to start the season. Posted by: FeelWood

No not the same. It may be a small sample but it is the total complete sample of Buck's work with the team. That is the difference. Nothing before is relevant. Trembley was as bad as Riggleman. But he's gone. And look at what Buck has done with the same group. That's why a real manager matters.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Adam,
Any update from Nats Park regarding the game tonight? Are they willing to start and play the game in light rain?

Posted by: roseglasses | September 29, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

>>The real bust IMO for the Nats this year was Wang... Posted by: bzerante1

Wang wasn't a bust. Rizzo was the bust. Wang never pitched one game, never got close to pitching 1 game. Wang was injured when he was signed so it's not like he was good and became a bust. He stayed what he was and Rizzo wasted our time and the team's on some1 who was never gonna help us. Hmmm, coulda taken that same wasted money and signed ODog and Chapman with it. And whoever asked who would you rather have, Chapman or Storen? Chapman anyday. Are you kidding me??!!

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

@markfrommark,

There really are more than a few hard core Nats fans who are also O's fans. I know this. They usually do not compare and contrast and when they do they are always commiserating about the poor way the O's have been run. Forbes seems to agree with their complaints. The Angel'O's are the least efficient team in the majors spending more in payroll dollars per win than any other team that isn't successful. As opposed to the ultra efficient Padres and Rangers.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"No not the same. It may be a small sample but it is the total complete sample of Buck's work with the team."

Small is small. Get back to us when you have a larger sample of Showalter's work. Several years would be nice. Serves two purposes - gives us a much better idea on Showalter/O's, and gets rid of you in the interim.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"No way they play tonight."

They pretty much have to - as bad as it will be tonight, it will be much worse tomorrow. They'll get in as many innings as they can, then call it a night. Or season.

Posted by: EinDC | September 29, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"And whoever asked who would you rather have, Chapman or Storen? Chapman anyday. Are you kidding me??!!"

No, a Stanford product that took 1 year through the minors? Who has 4 major league pitches in his repertoire? Look at Chapman's age and Storen's?

Do you really believe, now converted reliever/potential closer Chapman will outperform Drew Storen in the future?

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha : you probably thought the skins D would be good converting to a 3-4 for the first time in franchise history under a questionable DC? Now didn't you?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Where is Kev29 to mention the Lerner Syndrome? The Nats did not have to choose between Storen and Chapman. They could have inked them both if they had the risk level of the Reds.

Storen went for well under slot money, while Chapman was a big money risk. Hence the Nats got Storen.

Posted by: EdDC | September 29, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

They are not getting this game in tonight - take a look at the radar. And they're probably not getting it in tomorrow. The Phils don't need to play it; and neither do the Nats. So, it'll go unplayed.

Posted by: comish4lif | September 29, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

In 2008, the last home game of the year was canceled due to rain, so it would not be a first if tonight was canceled. If I recall correctly, non-STHs got their money back, while STHs got a credit on next year's renewals (not sure what happened to STHs who did not renew for 2009).

Also, admittedly a long way to go, but another sign of progress this year is that next year's draft won't be quite the event it has been for Nats fans the last couple of years since we'll be drafting about 7th (may not be the same anyway because I'm not aware of any Strasburgs or Harpers in the pipeline for next year's draft, so I guess we had good timing at least).

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love other O's fans coming in here and laying the smack down on Natinal fans. Some guy tried to bash Brian Roberts?

ahahahahaha. He's only one of the best lead-off men (and 2nd basemen) in baseball. Natinals would scoop him up in a heartbeat.

Not to mention the Natinals would gladly trade their outfield and pitching staff with the O's.

And to that guy who suggest a Dunn for Matusz trade, kinda hard to do with 1 guy being a free-agent in a few weeks and the other guy under control for another 4-5 years. But you knew that didn't you.

Good job fellow, fact-based, O's fans for laying the lumber to the Natinals and their sorry "franchise."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

>>Look at Chapman's age and Storen's?

Uh OK, Storen is 23, Chapman is younger at 22. And your point?

Chapman's stats: 13 games, 11.1 innings, 8 hits, 4 runs, 3 ER, 0 Hrs, 5 BB 16 Ks, 2.38 ERA.

Storen 53 games, 53 innings, 47 hits, 24 runs, 22 ER, 49 Ks, 22 BB, 3 HRs, 3.74. ERA.

Oh and Chapman has hit 105 on the radar. He's a power pitcher. Storen is a finesse pitcher. He'll never be a closer which means we used a top 10 pick on a middle reliever which is unheard of and ridiculous.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Small sample size. Kinda like Nats 25-20 to start the season. So why don't you O's vs Nats guys all just go away and get back to us in about a year? That's what _I'd_ rather have. "

Woo Hoo! Something on which FeelWood and I agree!

Posted by: NatsFly | September 29, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

These Chapman-Storen arguments are pretty stupid, Chapman is a reliever for life because of this ONE partial season they're using him in the pen???

Yep, that must be why David Price is still Tampa's closer after relieving for Rays in their playoff run 2 years ago. Give me Chapman over Storen any day. He's got potential to be a #1 or 2 starter. Drew will always be in the pen.

Posted by: VladiHondo | September 29, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

We got tickets, gotta go.

Besides, they're giving away beanies. How could we NOT go?

And Mrs. gilbertbp has a nice new Nats jersey with number 7 (she likes Pudge) and her last name (not Gilbert or Rodriguez). If you see someone wearing a #7 Nats jersey with a name you don't recognize, it's her.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 29, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this season is coming to an end for at least one reason: this blog has gone to hell. Poopy, you're the main culprit. You have achieved the amazing state in life of having nothing worthwhile to say and repeating yourself constantly. Not only do you bring nothing to this discussion, you've started to ruin what discussion does take place. People keep feeding you and it's become unbearable. Throw in Skins Fan and Fairfax6 and you've got the Three Stooges of Nats blogging. Can't you three set up a private blog somewhere and waste each other's time, instead of ruining this blog?

I think I've had enough. See you all later.

Posted by: baltova1 | September 29, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

So why don't you O's vs Nats guys all just go away and get back to us in about a year? That's what _I'd_ rather have. "

Woo Hoo! Something on which FeelWood and I agree!

Posted by: NatsFly | September 29, 2010 5:20 PM
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I have nothing against the Baltimore team, or the Phillies. It's obnoxious lamebrains that I can't stand.

Posted by: gilbertbp | September 29, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with O's fans per se. I raised one. But this badgering about which 95 game losing team is better just seems like such waste, and a deliberate provocation. They first came here, I think, when the O's were winning under Showalter, claiming that the O's were going to catch the Nats in wins. When that didn't turn out, they switched to "how pathetic to aspire to be better than the O's." Like the girl in American Graffitti who yells "you're girl friend is uglier than me." It's just utterly meaningless, except it means you have to wade through it to read comments that are interesting.

Posted by: markfromark | September 29, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"And Mrs. gilbertbp has a nice new Nats jersey with number 7 (she likes Pudge) and her last name (not Gilbert or Rodriguez). If you see someone wearing a #7 Nats jersey with a name you don't recognize, it's her."

I know some Nats jerseys with #7 that I wish I didn't recognize. Nook Logan, Emilio Bonifacio to name but two.

Posted by: FeelWood | September 29, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

>>Throw in Skins Fan and you've got the Three Stooges of Nats blogging.Posted by: baltova1

I don't think I like that guys tone one bit.
Let's review:
1. I said the Nats manager stunk and that his double-switching had become a joke-- Check.
2. I said the Nats leadoff hitter and CF stunk-- Check.
(Feel free to correct me when I'm wrong.)
3. I said Mike Morse should be playing everyday-- Check.
4. I said Willie Harris and Wil Nieves should never start and shouldn't even be on this or any other ML roster--Check.
5. I said Mike Rizzo did a horrible job of putting together the Nats pitching staff--Check.
Oh and I said all this early in the season. --Check.

So again feel free to correct me where I was wrong.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I like how Natinal fans are the ones that have to resort to name calling, personal attacks, and threating violence, all because some people have the courage to stand up to them and tell them, based on facts, that their beloved Nationals are going in the wrong direction while the Fighting Showalter's are gonna be big time contenders next year.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

well put baltova1. The hockey board I'm on lets you block individual users; maybe someday we'll have that here.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 29, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-Sad but true Balt...I've enjoyed reading you this year. But fer me, some of the b.s. and nastiness of late here sprinlked in with the Gang is just....well, the opposite of the icing on the cake of another abysmal year of so-called Major League ball. Maybe not abysmal-there are bright spots for sure-but still enough uncertainty and bad play to cast a pall. And as someone who grew up an O's fan...and who still roots for them-some of the shine the Buck has brought to my favorite A.L. team is being worn away. I played multiple sports, love competition, and don't find spirited debate objectionable. But taunting, etc...sad.Just doesn't strike me as honorable. Quaint idea, huh?
SO...I'm sure I'll be around...and I'll be looking for your posts (and the other Gangsters) while I scroll past the folks who I merely wish well to.
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | September 29, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

well put baltova1. The hockey board I'm on lets you block individual users; maybe someday we'll have that here.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | September 29, 2010 5:43 PM
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Gotta love your socialist, communist, fascist attitude.

Block anyone who you disagree with. That's mature.

But again, unfortunately, this is what I've come to expect from Natinal fans, since some on here name-call and even threaten violence.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

>>Gotta love your socialist, communist, fascist attitude. Block anyone who you disagree with. That's mature.Posted by: Poopy_McPoop

Well that's not surprising since it starts at the top. Just look at what happened to Rob Dibble.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Good point skins_fan_22.

Seems like all they want is for people to blow smoke up their behinds and tell them that everything is fine-and-dandy in Natinal land.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, one thing the Nats will address off the field in the off-season is getting a new radio station to carry Charlie and Dave, who I think are two of the best in the game. The Nats' old station Z104 was great (both programming and reception), but WFED is a joke (on both counts).

Posted by: thelonghaul | September 29, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

skins_fan_22 are you the usual RI type like McPoop who breathes diaper genie vapor instead of facts?

First that's a pretty small major league sample size for Chapman dude. What weed you been puffin' prolly Angel'O's dust?

Aroldis Chapman:

2010 AAA: 9 wins 6 losses ...
ERA 3.57 14 wild pitches WHIP 1.348 52 walks 125 K's 13 games started.

Drew Storen:

2010 AAA: ERA 1.08, 0 wild pitches, WHP 0.900 3 walks 15 K's in 13 games with 4 saves. 16.2 innings.

In 2 minor league seasons?
2 wins 1 loss, 1.68 ERA, 11 walks against 64 K's, and a 0.820 WHIP. 7 wild pitches (all in 2009).


Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

And for the record Storen can throw up to 95 mph. So he is definitely not a finesse pitcher and is indeed considered a power pitcher.

The point is you learn to pitch not THROW which is why pitchers like Chapman and Bally have so many wild pitches ... 105 is great when you can throw it over the plate.

The body of evidence on Chapman so far says that he can't consistently.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I am a Nats fan and I ask honestly where can we really hang our hat?

OK Zimmerman is a stud. Check.

Now what?

Espinosa? No idea at this point.
Desmond? Well we know he can't field so where does that leave us?
Ramos? Too early to really tell. And we know that Pudge isn't solid for an entire season. So catcher isn't a real known right now.
Bernadina? Again who knows?

Lots of who knows on this team.

Morgan? Well here we know. Well I think everyone here is in agreement that this guy stinks in every facet of the game. But then Rizzo comes out and sez he's our CF of the future. So how can you have any faith in Rizzo?
Oh and Morgan calls out Riggleman so what does Riggleman do, he starts him next game. Good discipline on the team.

Dunn is gone. Where does that leave us?
Just wondering.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

And notice how I didn't even bring up starting pitching cause what would be the point.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

>>pitchers like Chapman have so many wild pitches ... 105 is great when you can throw it over the plate.The body of evidence on Chapman so far says that he can't consistently.Posted by: periculum

Puleeze. Chapman is a No. 1 or No. 2 starter--Period. And unless he goes under the knife, you're looking at a multiple 20-game winner.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

"Puleeze. Chapman is a No. 1 or No. 2 starter--Period. And unless he goes under the knife, you're looking at a multiple 20-game winner. "

Are you dense, reading impaired? The Reds converted him into a reliever in AAA? There has to be a reason right?

Dude, you don't watch baseball much obviously? Saying he is a #1, #2 starter is like saying Colin Balester is and Bally throws pretty damned hard. But what happened to Bally in AAA? Same thing happened to Chapman in AAA thus the conversion.

He is now a future closer right?

Sheesh.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Skins_fan_22, you bring facts, logic, and reason to the table here aren't going to go over well with some of the Natinal fans on here.

Kudos to your good efforts though.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Are you dense, reading impaired? The Reds converted him into a reliever in AAA? There has to be a reason right?

posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:18 PM
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Uh you are aware of what the Rays did with David Price when in 2008 right? They brought him up and put him in the bullpen for the final part of the season and playoffs.

Pretty much what the Reds have done now.

Ugh......... and you call other people dense?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"Skins_fan_22, you bring facts, logic, and reason to the table here aren't going to go over well with some of the Natinal fans on here."

Calling a guy the Reds converted into a future closer (who by the way has yet to start a game for Reds) a future 20 game winner is bringing facts to the table? More like diaper genie vapor from one of McPoop's more odius children I'd expect.

Prolly been tokin' on the diaper genie along with you eh Poopsie?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Uh Poopsykins?

Wrong again ... keep tokin' that diaper genie vapor feels good eh?

In 2008 Price started a game and pitched only 14 innings. He appeared in 5 games.

Chapman has appeared in 13 games and only pitched 11.1 innings. Plus there's the fact the Reds announced they were converting him to relief while he was in AAA.

Another case of moronic Redskins fans who don't follow baseball.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

>>Prolly been tokin' on the diaper genie along with you eh Poopsie?Posted by: periculum

Peri I expect you to buy me one beer at the beginning of next season when Chapman STARTS, one beer at the end of the season if he is within 5 games of 20 wins and a 3rd beer if I am unfortunately correct and the Nats lose 100 and finally a 5th beer if the Os finish above .500. Aww shucks just send me a 6er.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-Just curious....for you O's fans...do the O's have a blog with this amount of participation? Since I do root for em, I was hoping to read the opinions of some other O's fans...but the Suns' "O's Insider" had a max of 11 comments from the fans. Most posts had less. No links to be found on the site for other blogs, either (as there are here). Any suggestions? (And no worries-I'm not planning on "infiltrating" them-got no interest in trying to ruin others' enjoyment just for laughs.) But I'm hoping to enjoy some of the same sort of insight (and bickering)-the fans perspective-on the O's that this site's had in the past on the Nats. Suggestions?
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | September 29, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

OK folks have fun. Time to head out. Goin to take the wife to see Cheryl Crow tonight. I'll pass on askin her opinion on Adam Dunn vs Luke Scott.
Cheers.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"I am a Nats fan and I ask honestly where can we really hang our hat?"

"OK Zimmerman is a stud. Check."
"Now what?"

They kind of got lucky with Zimmerman. He keeps improving which is amazing.

First, this is the first year the team has had a real FO. One that wasn't interested in their own egos or in parceling out the best prospects to the rest of the majors for the owner.

Second. That means most of the future hope is still in the deeper minors. The pitchers should arrive first.

Third. Espinosa, Desmond and Ramos are just the beginning. I'm not sure about Bernadina. Most of the team-to-be will be in Potomac in 2011. Hopefully, Bryce Harper is good enough to join them there ... if he's not and if he's as good as they say he will likely join them presently.

Fourth. Rizzo did offer Dunn a contract. He may yet get him to sign. Beyond that Rizzo has his work cut out for him.

Five. Now is the time for key trades to get top starting pitching.

The Rays built from within with Price and Wade as did the Padres. The Nats may not be able to wait ... given that their 2 top starting pitching prospects are recovering from TJ ... so a trade could ensue because they really don't have anything else.

Six. The bullpen can now be considered mission success. It has been completely revamped and the depth stretches into the minors.

But yes, transitioning from Luria to major league ownership, the Bowden years did some serious damage to the franchise. Its going to take time to rectify.

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Peri I expect you to buy me one beer at the beginning of next season."

They have already announced that the guy is their permanent CLOSE of the future? So, if they decided to just use him and dispense with everyone else what do you give me?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

>>>Gotta love your socialist, communist, fascist attitude.

Let me educate you: Socialism/Communism and Fascism are at the two opposite ends of the governance spectrum. So equating them makes you not just a moron, but a huge, uneducated, fact-eschewing moron. You probably think Cal Ripken was a great player, too...

Posted by: mattyjamesgallagher | September 29, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I express my amusement/bemusement at the need for some Orioles fans (although Poopy may not be a fan of he Orioles or of baseball but merely a reincarnaiton of one Chief aka Cheef who poluted Caps Insider for a while who just likes to rag NATS fans) to discuss how better their team is/will be than our team. Better to discuss on their own blogs (do any exist?) how much better the Orioles are/will be than the Yankees, Rox, Bluebirds, Rays. Bwaaaaah!!!!

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Posted by: adhardwick | September 29, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Zendo, try here:

http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=7a5d2a9358064ffefb7ef30bb6d0faca&f=2

bear in mind though that the guy that runs the site is kind of a d0uche.

Or try here:

http://talk.baltimoresun.com/forumdisplay.php?f=9

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 29, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

On Chapman.

The Reds sent him to Triple-A Louisville to start the season. He got mixed results, throwing a lot of pitches to get through five innings. He went 5-5 with a 4.11 ERA in 13 starts.

Cincinnati has plenty of starters, but decided to see if Chapman could help the Reds out of the bullpen this season. They moved him into a relief role at Louisville last month and he was even better, going 4-1 with a 2.40 ERA in 26 relief appearances.

His fastball was clocked at 103 mph as a starter. Jocketty said he's been throwing consistently harder as a reliever, hitting 105 mph recently. He has struck out 49 in 30 relief innings.

"We felt with his stuff, if you shorten the game more he should be successful," Jocketty said. "That's why we put him in there for now. We'll get him back to starting next year."

*** he is now a setup man precursor to a CLOSER *****

To make him a starter they would have to send him back to AAA. Given how much more effective he has been in relief ... do you really believe they would send him back? To start?

Posted by: periculum | September 29, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

>>makes you not just a moron, but a huge, uneducated, fact-eschewing moron.

Can't we all just get along......in an uneducated fact-eschewing moronic, socialistic, communistic, facistic kinda way of course.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | September 29, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey Gang-grats, McP....yea, I found the Sun forum, but it's still kinda light. Interesting thread about Beltre, though. Just imagine-EITHER franchise with both Zimm and Nick.....of course, I'd want it to be the Nats! Now lets see if Detweiler can pitch a good game....
Go Nats!!!

Posted by: zendo | September 29, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I express my amusement/bemusement at the need for some Orioles fans (although Poopy may not be a fan of he Orioles or of baseball but merely a reincarnaiton of one Chief aka Cheef who poluted Caps Insider for a while who just likes to rag NATS fans) to discuss how better their team is/will be than our team. Better to discuss on their own blogs (do any exist?) how much better the Orioles are/will be than the Yankees, Rox, Bluebirds, Rays. Bwaaaaah!!!!

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Posted by: adhardwick | September 29, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Could not agree more with baltova, SC and Zendo. Feeding trolls is ill advised. Posting scatological references, in either signature or body of the post, ranges from the sadly juvenile to the outright vile (peri, you make some valid baseball points but your troll responses are disgusting). Please. Stop.

Posted by: NatsFly | September 29, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I express my amusement/bemusement at the need for some Orioles fans (although Poopy may not be a fan of he Orioles or of baseball but merely a reincarnaiton of one Chief aka Cheef who poluted Caps Insider for a while who just likes to rag NATS fans) to discuss how better their team is/will be than our team. Better to discuss on their own blogs (do any exist?) how much better the Orioles are/will be than the Yankees, Rox, Bluebirds, Rays. Bwaaaaah!!!!

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Posted by: adhardwick | September 29, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post. My browser at work has some issues.

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Posted by: adhardwick | September 29, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me, but I'm about to become long-winded.

I'll give skins_fan_22, McP, and Fairfax6 credit for at least one thing - they are prolific in terms of posts. They've been hammering NJ over the last couple of weeks, and the WaPo web editors must be loving the traffic. That doesn't necessarily make it good for the overall health of the blog.

Nearly everyone who posts to an open blog usually has a viewpoint to share, and what the other readers / commenters hope for is a reasonable give-and-take atmosphere without going to extremes. What we've seen recently is NJ being swamped by a stream of smackdowns from a few posters, followed by some argumentative, sophmoric, and even vindictive posts in response. I noted the three previously as instigators, but a number of us are just as guilty in responding.

Of the three 'instigators', Fairfax6 seems to stand out as playing the "bad cop" role, nearly always emphasing a negative view on a Nationals player - That's OK, at least he has a consistent viewpoint that he's willing to support. skins_fan_22 tends to hold the middle ground, bouncing between the argumentive & concilliatory views, but still takes the high ground over our seemingly "most offensive" blogger, McP.

This individual is all bluster, non-sequitors and sleight of hand, who rarely brings anything of substance to the table for discussion. Rather, he would apparently rather toss off a dozen irritataing comments across multiple WaPo blog sites & wait for the blowback. Sadly, more than a few of us have 'risen to the bait'.

I don't know if there is a solution to all of this, but I feel a number of the long-time supporters of Nats Journal are fleeing the site as a result of this recent turn. I'd personally like to see that reversed.

Posted by: BinM | September 29, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

BinM, agreed for the most part. (I would not be surprised to learn that a few of the trolls were actually one person using different accounts to stir things up.)

Perhaps, even with the troll activity, hits are low enough that the Post doesn't think the blog is worth trying to save.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | September 30, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

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