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Posted at 3:45 PM ET, 11/17/2010

Nationals have discussions with Carl Pavano

By Adam Kilgore

The Nationals are one of "six or eight" teams to have engaged in preliminary discussions with Minnesota Twins free agent starting pitcher Carl Pavano, according to a league source. The Nationals met with Pavano's representative here at the General Manager meetings in Orlando, a meeting designed for both sides to gauge the other's interest.

It comes as no surprise that the Nationals would pursue Pavano, given their determination to find a starting pitcher. Pavano, an 11-year veteran, is one of the top pitchers in the free agent pitching market following Cliff Lee. Pavano became the Twins' No. 2 starter this season, going 14-7 with a 3.75 ERA, 117 strikeouts and 37 walks.

Also, just to check in on this matter, there have been some Twitter rumors about Adam Dunn and the Tigers getting serious in negotiations. From what I can gather, there is not much to that talk. Dunn could end up in Detroit, but nothing with Dunn is imminent, as far as what I've heard.

By Adam Kilgore  | November 17, 2010; 3:45 PM ET
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Nothing is really going to happen with Dunn or any other Type A FA moving to a new club until arb offers are made, I would think.

I would pass on Pavano. The price will be high, he is a softballer, this is his first ERA uder 4 since the salad days back with the Marlins in 04 maybe? and he's no spring chicken. He's a more expensive Jason Marquis.

Posted by: dfh21 | November 17, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Agreed... Pavano had a great 2010, but he is Jason Marquis redux... we have the softest tossing/lowest strikeout SPs in the majors (except maybe Pittsburgh!)... we need a stuff pitcher then make hitters swing and miss...

Don't get me wrong, he'd be better then nothing... but, he wouldn't be my number 1 target

Posted by: Ghost7 | November 17, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

We need to get out of this mindset where we go after old guys and reclamation projects every year. Is Pavano going to make us any closer to being a title contending dynasty? No. You know who would? Greinke. Give them Zimmermann and Desmond plus a minor leaguer if that's what it takes. Re-sign Dunn and offer Cliff Lee a boat load of cash and hope Boras talks him into taking the biggest deal out there. Then next year add Strasburg and the year after that maybe Harper. Now were talking. Marquis, Pavano, and Webb ain't gonna cut it anymore. Im sick of all the Loser Teams in DC. I gave the Nats a pass up until this year because the MLB raped us of our farm system by trading Sizemore, Lee, and Phillips for a half year rental of Colon. But, the time for excuse making is up. Be a legitimate franchise. Build a dynasty.

Posted by: Imjustlikemusiq | November 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine that the Twins would let him get away but if Pavano get's goofy with his asking price then all bets are off, the Nats have two unknowns in terms of what they can contribute (Marquis&Wang) well one at least we already know, Marquis is a pyromaniac i just don't see him helping us in the future.

Posted by: dargregmag | November 17, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Pavano was17-11 for the Twins this season, not 14-7.

Posted by: bupbups | November 17, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Only if he keeps the 'stache.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 17, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Pavano is just one of probably 8-10 'plan B' options for a SP addition. If he could repeat his 2010 (*cough* Contract-year *cough*) performance, I'd be comfortable with him as a #1-2 SP in the NL under a Marquis-like contract, but that's a really big IF, given his track record (his years with the Yankees, anyone?).

Posted by: BinM | November 17, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree with BinM on the possiblities on Pavano. His durability makes him more valuable than Marquis and I like him better than Jake Westbrook who just re-signed with the Cardinals at $8.5 million a year.

I totally disagree with Imjustlikemusiq. Greinke is under contract for 2011 and 2012 at $13.5 million a year and then he is a Free Agent. Jordan Zimmermann is under contract for 2011, 12, 13 and 2014. Plus you want to just hand them Ian Desmond too? Good thing you aren't the Nats General Manager. BTW, Greinke had a 4.17 ERA last year.

Posted by: GoingGoingGone | November 17, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I like Greinke a lot, but in reality he's had one great season. To give up Zimmermann and Desmond would be way too much. Also, I don't understand the logic of giving up Zimmermann. We want to improve our starting pitching staff, so we give up our current most promising pitcher (since Strasburg is out at least until September) to get another pitcher, who might, be a little more proven, but has only 2 years left on his current deal. I would just say no thanks.

Posted by: curlyWfan | November 17, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

You guys are killing me. Don't sign Pavano? Oh no, let's just keep what we got.

Posted by: shanks1 | November 18, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Giving up Zimmermann and Desmond for Grienke would likely be too little -- I am thinking the Royals might like Zimmmermann's potential high ceiling but that they are not likely very thrilled with Ian Desmond. Desmond is a nice athlete, but he does not hit enough to play a corner and he does not glove enogh to play the middle.

Posted by: dfh21 | November 18, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Its way too early to make statements that Desmond does not glove enough to play the middle. He was a rookie. He's going to get better with the glove. Combine that with what he's shown offensively and I believe he will be a very strong middle infielder. Management also talks about him being a leader and that's impressive for a rookie.

Posted by: curlyWfan | November 18, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Sign Pavano for his durability? Carl Pavano? Are you kidding me?

At Carl Pavano's age (35) and track record (good in contract years, doesn't really show up otherwise), signing him to a multi-year deal makes no sense. And he's not going to want a single year contract. For $10 million a year you're not likely to get significantly more out of him than you are Hernandez, Lannan or Maya - and the latter two at least offer some longer term benefits.

Just say no to Pavano

Posted by: JCCfromDC | November 19, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

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