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Posted at 12:45 PM ET, 12/17/2010

Pitcher Chad Gaudin agrees to minor-league contract

By Washington Post editors

The Nationals have agreed to terms with right-handed pitcher Chad Gaudin on a minor-league contract that includes a spring training invitation.

From the team's news release:

The 27 year-old Gaudin is 35-39 with a 4.61 ERA (339 ER/661.2 IP) in 258 games/75 starts spanning eight big league seasons with New York (AL), Oakland, San Diego, Chicago (NL), Toronto and Tampa Bay.
Gaudin has pitched successfully in both a starting role and out of the bullpen during his career. As recently as 2007, Gaudin tied for the AL lead with 34 starts en route to going 11-13 with a 4.42 ERA with Oakland. In 183 career relief appearances, he has tallied 14 wins, two saves, 21 holds and been the victim of just four blown saves. Gaudin has worked in excess of 1.0 inning in 80 of those 183 career relief appearances.
A 34th-round selection in 2001, Gaudin debuted in the big leagues with the Devil Rays in 2003 at the age of 21. He has fanned 7.0 batters per 9.0 innings during his career.

By Washington Post editors  | December 17, 2010; 12:45 PM ET
 
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Not the Ace we need, but does he bat left handed and can he play First?

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

not a bad signing to a minor league contract. Gaudin never had a good team behind him... Washington might continue that streak, or it might be the best team he ever had behind him... Please sign Laroche

Posted by: PNatsFan | December 17, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Keep churning, Rizzo. Sign anybody who is better than what we have at each level.

+1/2St.

Posted by: kevincostello | December 17, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Prefer Derek Lee for 2 years over LaRoche for three. Guaranteed offensive production along with great fielding.

Posted by: periculum | December 17, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Nice AAA depth and he can come up and pitch if a pitcher gets injured. Even though they have some young pitchers who could also fill that role, you don't always want to pull a student out of school to work the fields if you don't have to....

(And I'm still voting Derrick Lee over LaRoche, but I'm feeling a little more urgency than Rizzo is admitting to)

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 17, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Here is what Rizzo believes winning NL teams have in abundance:

1. Power arms out of the bullpen.
2. Good defenders at every position.
3. Youngish starting pitching that does not have too much mileage on it.
4. Versatile offensive players who can manufacture runs in a variety of ways.

Here's what he believes are overrated:

1. One dimensional offensive players
2. Power hitters who cannot play defense.
3. Players who are "comfy".

I happen to agree with him. I know Dunn and Willingham were Zim's boys, and they all caught a lot of fish together. One thing they didn't do together was win. High energy, energetic, athletic baseball is around the corner.

Sign LaRoche or Lee.

#4

Posted by: db423 | December 17, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Loney for Clippard, Maxwell, & Stammen

Any chance?

Posted by: DMoney28 | December 17, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

That's basically Loney for Clippard. Maxwell and Stammen are worthless (as players anyway. I'm sure they are fine people).

No way LA does that.

Posted by: db423 | December 17, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I think that the Dodgers would have to be knocked over with a deal to move Loney right now -- what is he going to make $4-5M in arbitration this year? That is a nice price and he's under control for next year too. And the Nats are not known to be a knock people over with offers kind of club. And I agree with db423 Maxwell and Stammen are not so shiny.

And if they are going to go and actually pay a high price for a player via trade, I'd rather them get the Ace pitcher than a league average 1B like Loney.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

This is getting uglier every day. Who's next to be signed? John Patterson? Shawn Hill? Tim Redding? Bennie Daniels?

Posted by: swanni | December 17, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

As of now, the 2011 lineup is much worse than last year. The pitching staff is just as bad, or worse if you subtract Capps from the beginning of 2010. The defense is better, but even that has to be qualified a bit depending upon who eventually plays first.

This is Phase 2?

Posted by: swanni | December 17, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The 2011 line-up is much better than last year's. Do not get googly-eyed about HR stats please. Baseball is about much more than HRs. As long as Zimmerman, Desmond, Bernadina, Espinosa, etc. show the usual improvement for players their age, this team will be better. Please do not use the many times debunked argument that Dunn and Willingham protected Zimmerman. Defense is extremely important.

Posted by: db423 | December 17, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

How do you take 30 HRs from a lineup and say it's better? (Werth, minus Dunn and Willingham)

Right now:

* Bernadina, who was overmatched in the second half, would be the fifth place hitter.

* Morgan who can't hit lefties (or righties for that matter) is still the leadoff hitter.

* Pudge is another year older.

* 1B is still TBD.

* Espinosa is coming off a hand surgery that has set back other players by a year.

This is better? In Bizarro World maybe

Posted by: swanni | December 17, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Thus far, the only thing better about the 2011 Nats would have to be viewed from a Lerner perspective.

If your name is Lerner, the payroll is better. Now in the low to mid 40s.

Gotta love that, if you're a Lerner.

Phase 2, my...you know what.

Posted by: swanni | December 17, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I gotta agree with the swammi. The Nats lineup right now for 2011 is ugly.

Morgan cannot be projected to hit well. In his one full year in the bigs -- last year -- he did not exactly rake or look like a lead-off stud. He could surprise, but it is hard to bet on it.

Desmond will likely hit better as he has some real upside with the bat -- could hit .300, maybe. But, last year Guzman batted very well in the 2 hole through June. It is not likely that Desmond out-hits Guzman in any event (and Ian does not take many walks either) and he may lose playing time if he cannot field the position capably.

Zim will be Zim, which is great.

Werth is very nice but he is not the offensive producer Dunn was. 40 HR 100 RBI .400 OBP guys are pretty special.

Who bats 5th?

Bernadina/Morse -- Roger has nice tools but there's no reason to think he produces better than an average OF in 2011, and despite last year's success Morse does not have a history for hitting for great power (69 HR's in 3,000+ minor league PA's) or average either. So they cannot be counting on this platoon for great things. It could happen that one or both of these guys shines, but, again, it is hard to bet on that happening.

Pudge, another year older, if he hits .250 with 10 HR and 60 RBI that would be quite a season from the guy.

Espinosa should hit much better than .214 from last year's call up, but we can't expect the kid to be anything special at this point and batting 8th is not going to help.

Rizzo has a lot of work to do on this lineup -- it is a good thing he has the rotation all sqaured away already. Yeah, something like that.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Well said dfh21.

I agree with those who have said that Rizzo may have more moves ahead. But the window is closing fast. Pavano is likely to go back to the Twins; LaRoche seems Baltimore-bound. Greinke seems impossible based on Mark Lerner's comments regarding Phase 1.

Derek Lee might be had (let's hope), but the most recent signals suggest more dumpster diving and faux prospect trades.

I am afraid that the Werth signing was a one-time deal to make up for the loss of Adam Dunn. Since then, it has just been a lot of chatter with no action.

Posted by: swanni | December 17, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Another 100 loss season will set this team back for 3-5 years. Even if Strasburg is healthy for 2012 and Harper is everthing we hope he can be, no free agent will take the Nats seriously.

Rizzo needs to be more than just "aggressive"; he needs to act.

It's time to put up or shut up (shut up, that is, about Phase 2.)

Posted by: swanni | December 17, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

While the team has said that if the season were to start today, Morgan would be the center fielder, I seriously doubt that will be the case when Spring Training is completed. So, let's look at the 4 positions currently in flux: All three outfied spots and first.

Nats left fielders last year hit .248/.352/.436 with 24 home runs. I am going to say that Morse plays left every day in my outfield, and I am going to plug in his numbers from last year--.289/.352/.519. Those are much better numbers than the average Nats left fielder. Also, projecting the HR total over the total number of at bats from all left fielders (starting) last year, he would hit 33 bombs, a net increase of 9 bombs. So, verdict? Left field is upgraded.

Center: I'm plugging in Bernadina here because I think he will outplay Morgan in the Spring. Nats 2010 CF's: .238/.310/.303 with 2 HRs. Bernadina projection: .246/.307/.384 with 15 HRs. Still not stellar, but better and with 13 more HRs. Verdict? Center field is upgraded.

Right: Werth, obviously. Nats RFs in 2010: .248/.327/.439, 26 HRs. Werth 2010 stats .296/.388/.532 with 27 HRs. Verdict? Right field upgraded.

1B: Let's assume that the reports are right and the Nats lock up Lee. 2010 Nats: .266/.358/.533, 40 HR's. Lee's 2010: .260/.347/.428 with 19 HR's. Verdict? 1B is downgraded.

Now, the gain in HRs from the outfield is 23, while the loss from 1B is 21. So, net gain is 2. Three of the 4 positions will (theoretically) hit better, while 1 will be worse. Seems to me that that strengthens the overall batting order.

In addition, all 4 positions are upgraded defensively, meaning that errors drop, runs surrendered drop, making the pitching staff look better.

Now, I think that overall the team has been upgraded. However, if you want to lament the loss of the 40 HRs from Dunn and the 16 from Willingham, be my guest. I would much rather be an optimist.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 17, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Morgan is not a major league center fielder or hitter. The wonder is why they keep him.

Posted by: jjburns1 | December 17, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Looks like it's the Orioles vs the Nats for LaRoche and he aint to keen on either. Otherwise he woulda signed by now. But can ya blame him, choosing between last place in the NL East vs maybe 2nd to last in AL East? What's the point of leaving Arizona for that?
Os will at least be improved while Nats will push 105 losses.
What a useless offseason thus far for Washington. Doing nothing but trading one strong bat for a weaker one but a little better D. That's it.
No improved starting pitching at all. The same wacko CF coming back along with the same losing manager. What a recipe for success.
Lerners have absolutely destroyed the 2nd coming of baseball in DC.
But they're too giddy slapping each other on the backs about Werth to notice.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 17, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Cav -- that looks pretty good, though a little on the hopeful side in terms of projecting 30+ HR's from Mike Morse (a guy who never hit 20 HR's in the minors) -- though I think that Berndina might surpise and do better than you suggest. But, who leads off? Espinosa?

Would it go like this?:

Espinosa (s)
Desmond (r)
Zim (r)
Werth (r)
Morse (r)
Lee (r)
Bernadina (l)
Pudge (r)

Yikes. That lineup had better catch every ball in play, because it could not be expected to score better than any other lineup in the Division.

They gotta get a guy who can hit for decent power from the left side to play either LF, CF or 1B and juggle the rest of the roster accordingly.

Hawpe in a platoon in LF with Morse, get a real LH 1B and move Bernadina to CF with Morgan as a 4th OF, pinch runner defensive sub kind of guy, maybe. I don't know, but they need more parts than what they got, that is for sure.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 17, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey dfth21, how bout analyzing the new starting pitching? Oh that's right there's no new starting pitching to analyze. Oh well, since the old starting pitching was probably last, not too hard to figure things out.
Cause the only thing that matters is pitching.
Don't fret, we've got an ace named Livan.
I think most major college programs would spank the Nats.
Sad Sad Sad.
Take a bow Mr Rizzo.
Great job.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 17, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Cavalier83, you're playing a shell game, with fake numbers.

You could just as well say the Nats of 2010 could have had a great offensive team! Take your 33 Morse bombs, and Bernie in CF, and extend Willingham out for a full 2010 without being hurt and that's a mighty good looking outfield.

Infield of Zim and Dunn and let's plug in Desmond and extend out his stats when he got plugged into the 2hole and add some nice Espinosa numbers and the infield looks great.

See, your way, our 2010 was awesome. But on the ballfield, they stunk offensively.

In 2011, who do we have that will hit at the top of the order with a high OBP?
Hmmmm, looks like that would be nobody.
Werth batting cleanup? Not on any other contending teams, that's for sure.
Bernadina playing everyday, he of the .681 OPS against right handed pitching? Not on any other contending team.

As of today, our 2011 lineup stinks.

Delusion. It's delusional.

Posted by: Sunderland | December 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Lerners/Rizzo more interested in making a splash than actually improving the team.

Posted by: dovelevine | December 17, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

>Lerners/Rizzo more interested in making a splash than actually improving the team.
Posted by: dovelevine

It's more like the Werth signing was all Lerner/Boras, that's why it was much higher than necessary and I think they wouldn't mind signing some more people, but Pants just doesn't have the cajones to make a move. Yeah, he can talk about setting up a hospital for Wang and Hawpe, and signing Lee for a year, picking up a reliever for a year, but that isn't like committing to someone else and making sure your team can improve around the anchors. Pants is really starting to scare me, he acts like he has no core. He's just bs on training wheels. I have to admit though, on MLB network at the winter meetings they talked to a bunch of GMs on set, and that was a collection of the sorriest looking people I've damn near ever seen in a professional setting. Usually you'll see someone sorry here and there, but almost any one of them probably spent their youths getting their asses kicked.

Posted by: Brue | December 17, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Complaining about the 2011 lineup while it is still 2010 is like reading the first draft of a novel and being disappointed with how poorly-written it was and how many inconsistencies you found.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | December 17, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I give some of you credit, you are committed to seeing no hope at any time with this team

Posted by: SCNatsFan | December 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the downers/cranks/glass half-emptys are out in big numbers on this post. That's ok; Everybody deserves a voice on a blog.

It's only mid-December, people - The 25-man roster and Opening-day lineup is far from written in ink at this point.

Rizzo seems to be set toward a path to gather as many 'multi-skilled' fielders as he can in the off-season, in both DC and at the minor-league levels. He also looks to be constructing a bullpen full of as many high-velocity arms as he can lay hands on.

How all this will play out come April, I have no clue. Currently, I only see pressing needs for a real 1B, another LH bat w/power, and a bench with a balance of defense & at least 'gap' power at the plate. A 'stud' SP at this point is probably out of reach.

Posted by: BinM | December 17, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's the thing Sunderland, you can see whatever you want with the team. You can see it the way I articulated, that the pieces added, if they duplicate their numbers from last year, can make the team better and there will be no net loss in production from a lineup oriented like that. Or, you can do what you did and explain that because you don't believe Werth would hit cleanup for a contending team, or that because Bernadina had a low OPS against right handed pitching last year, that means the team will be bad.

And, I think that you completely missed my point. I never said that the 2010 lineup was great. I, in fact, pointed out that the collective splits of the left, center and right fielders were crap. I also never said that it was a great lineup that was going to win the World Series. What I said was that with the pieces added, and some things changed around, there is a potential that there would be no net loss from removing Dunn and Willingham from the lineup. Further, I indicated that the pieces added would actually be better defensively, resulting in fewer runs allowed.

However, feel free to believe that the team will never be good unless the do exactly what you want them to do.

Posted by: Cavalier83 | December 17, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

When you argue with fools it's hard to tell the difference.
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The 2011 line-up is much better than last year's. Do not get googly-eyed about HR stats please. Baseball is about much more than HRs. As long as Zimmerman, Desmond, Bernadina, Espinosa, etc. show the usual improvement for players their age, this team will be better. Please do not use the many times debunked argument that Dunn and Willingham protected Zimmerman. Defense is extremely important.

Posted by: Vze2sr66 | December 17, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Slice and dice it any way you want, but as of today, the Nats line-up as far as hitting goes is worse than it was when the team had Dunn and a healthy Willingham. The replacement so far is Werth, which I'm happy about.
Everything else is a big IF -- Bernadina, Morse, Desmond, Espinosa (I've said before I would not just hand the second base job to him unless he wins it in the spring), Ramos/Flores.
In 50+ years as a fan, I've never seen all the IFs come through all at once as hoped.
An optimistic view today (and BinM is right to point out it's just Dec.) is that the Nats might fight the Mets for 4th.

Posted by: nats24 | December 18, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

cav83, I guess I did miss some of your point, and my previous post came off harsher than I would have liked.
Rizzo has more up his sleeve, so we'll see where the next few months take us.
There's clearly some potential. But as it stands now? We were 14th of 16th in runs scored last year. As Nats24 points out, fans tend to assume young players will improve year over year (Vze2sr66). Reality is rarely that kind.

Posted by: Sunderland | December 18, 2010 5:09 AM | Report abuse

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/08/09/why-we-miss-the-obvious-mariners-edition/

It all seems so obvious now, doesn’t it? Making the moves of a “contender” when the team finished dead last in the American League in runs scored in 2009 and was outscored by 52 runs? Yes, it seems so obvious now that the Seattle Mariners were likely to have a terrible crash this season. And it probably should have seemed obvious in February, too. And it probably WAS obvious then — Monday’s firing of manager Don Wakamatsu was etched in stone back before spring training. But a whole lot of us missed it. Why? The Seattle Mariners were a team to believe in. Why not? Here was a team that won 85 games last year, at least in part because it was the best defensive team in baseball. What a defense! But, few people were in a doubting mood in the offseason. It was a lot more fun to LIKE the Mariners. Then, about 10 days later, they traded for Cliff Lee, and the hysteria jumped three more notches. Holy cow… Felix Hernandez AND Cliff Lee AND that incredible defense? Wow! And Ichiro and Figgins on top of that lineup? Wow! OK, so they still had the worst offense in the American League . . . . Seattle’s terrible offense was still terrible — maybe even worse than the year before. . . . And anyway you can’t win games consistently when you can’t score runs. This sort of thing happens all the time, in and out of sports. The Mariners did not have a smart off-season, not at all. It’s seems pretty easy to see that now. It seems pretty easy to see that GM Jack Zduriencik. . . did not appreciate that a team without even the slightest ability to get on base and without any power (the Mariners are dead last in baseball in OBP and SLG — and that includes the National League, where pitchers hit) cannot expect to win, no matter how good the pitching and defense.

Posted by: flynnie321 | December 18, 2010 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Am trying to not become too negative about the NATS or Rizzo's deciion-making, but losing two bats in the middle of the lineup and gaining one doesn't seem to be the right way to go. There was fan interest in both Josh and Adam and now they're gone. I don't foresee 81-81 in 2011 and perhaps longer.

Posted by: amvwdsvw | December 18, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

St. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP)—The Tampa Bay Rays moved to bolster a depleted bullpen, agreeing to a $925,000, one-year contract with free agent reliever Joel Peralta.

The 34-year-old right-hander went 1-0 with a 2.02 ERA in 39 appearances for the Washington Nationals last season. He’s also pitched for the Angels, Royals and Rockies during his career.

Posted by: Sunderland | December 18, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

So many pessimistic Nats fans out there. The future is bright people. Rizzo aint done yet!

Posted by: gerstein | December 18, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

>Rizzo aint done yet!

Posted by: gerstein

Not by a long shot - Ladson reporting that the Nats are still interested in Brandon Webb. I guess Pants figures Wang needed some company by the pool down in extended spring training.
MLB network was analyzing the Padres signing of Orlando Hudson for two years, and they posted their lineup with a big question mark in the cleanup spot because Gonzalez is gone, and they said that SD was now a front-runner for Derrick Lee. Apparently talks between LaRoche and the Nats 'aren't serious' either. Now they're looking at Kasey Kotchman for 1B - he hit .217 last year. But he's only made 9 errors his whole career.
Pants ain't done yet. Now StunK isn't even around to stop him anymore.

Posted by: Brue | December 18, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

>>It's only mid-December, people - The 25-man roster and Opening-day lineup is far from written in ink at this point.

Based o history it's pretty easy to make an educated assessment of the coming season. THere are few to no good pitchers left and the ones left are not coming to the Nats. So Washington is going to trot out the same rotation that lost close to 100 games last season only this time without SS.
So it's pretty reasonable to assume, this club is going to push 105-110 losses this coming season. Nothing they've done thus far proves otherwise.
One bat gone--Dunn, a lesser one here--Werth.
Another bat gone--Willingham,
Replacements-- a couple minor leaguers, to save some bread.
Seriously give us a break.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 18, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

>>Ladson reporting that the Nats are still interested in Brandon Webb.

Great, Nats will field the all-Hospital starting staff-- Wang, Webb, can we bring back Patterson and the Chief. Sure they're available.
Thank god for Teddy L (and by that I mean Mr. Leonsis--not Lerner). At least we have one sane owner in town.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 18, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

According to MLB Rumors, the Nats were informed that to get Greinke it would take Zinn, Storen and Espinoza.

Sounds too steep to me.

Posted by: NatsFly | December 18, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

>>So many pessimistic Nats fans out there

You're not serious--right?? Just wondering, what was the Nats record for the past 5 years?
The one thing the Lerners have been completely consistent in is constantly fielding the worst team in baseball. They have that down to an art. And that is indisputable.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 18, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

>According to MLB Rumors, the Nats were informed that to get Greinke it would take Zinn, Storen and Espinoza.

Sounds too steep to me.

Posted by: NatsFly

Lerner's loaded - he could throw in $10-15 million if they don't want to get up off of all of their hard throwers. They're gonna have to give up at least one. They could do all kinds of things. They're just not sophisticated enough to do that. It's just money. Just like Pants says.

Posted by: Brue | December 18, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

>According to MLB Rumors, the Nats were informed that to get Greinke it would take Zinn, Storen and Espinoza.

Sounds too steep to me.

Posted by: NatsFly

Lerner's loaded - he could throw in $10-15 million if they don't want to get up off of all of their hard throwers. They're gonna have to give up at least one. They could do all kinds of things. They're just not sophisticated enough to do that. It's just money. Just like Pants says.

Posted by: Brue | December 18, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Too many gloomy Gus's. And they used to accuse me of that?

Look if the guy manages to sign Derrek Lee you have a professional hitter in your line up and a flawless fielder. Last year the injuries started to catch up to him and at his age it gets factored in.

Now your line up IS BETER offensively than last year with tremendous improvement defensively. Put Morse permanently in left field and this should be a power laden lineup, perhaps for a long time as new guys percolate up from the minors.

But its the pitching that still worries me. That's the "IF". Too many underachievers. Too many flat out failures of top pitching prospects dating back to 2004. That will always kill any team.

Posted by: periculum | December 18, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

>Greinke trade

>>They're just not sophisticated enough to do that.

Nails. Unfortunately.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 18, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

skins fan and brue, I bet you became McNabb fans this week so you could wallow in his misery too.

Posted by: SCNatsFan | December 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

>>skins fan and brue, I bet you became McNabb fans this week so you could wallow in his misery too. Posted by: SCNatsFan

The Redskins have officially jumped the shark.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | December 18, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

So when Rizzo and Lerner flew out to Werth's home in California and laid out their plan for "Phase 2", it included signing Matt Stairs and Chad Gaudin??? We continue to be a complete joke. Oh, and signing Adam Laroche is NOT going to change that. The guy is mediocre at best.

Posted by: drobins7 | December 18, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Brue / skins fan:
I believe MLB frowns upon, and would void a trade, based on money. They'll allow money to offset a contract, like if KC included money for us to pay Grienke's contract. But I don't think MLB would allow one team to essentially buy a player from another team.

Posted by: Sunderland | December 18, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's hard not to resort to name calling. I keep erasing my best stuff for fear it would be too inflammatory, but take my word for it, I just gave you Negative Nancy's the talking to that you so richly deserve. We're talking open mockery and ridicule and punishing prose. Now get off my cloud. The Nats are moving in the right direction and I have faith in Rizzo's ability to make good decisions.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 18, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Agree with all your sentiments, natbiscuits. It is just plain tiring having to read the constant barrage of negativity. By far, the majority of postings are negative ( and often incredibly stupid), but the majority of posters are actually positive--I think. It's just that a few negative posters monopolize the site. They go on and on, saying the same thing ad nauseum.
There is lots of reasons to be optimistic about the Nats under Rizzo. When some suggest they will lose 100 games again, I can only shake my head. Ain't going to happen unless there are an inordinate number of injuries. And I do believe more pieces will be added. If they get a healthy D. Lee, that alone will make the team on the field so much better than last year's.

Posted by: jcampbell1 | December 18, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Please do not use the many times debunked argument that Dunn and Willingham protected Zimmerman. Defense is extremely important.

Posted by: db423 |

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you may think it is debunked, but that's not what Riggs told me last Wed at the movie premiere (he did hint that Josh would be gone) -- but then you are a long time ML manager/scout I assume

If Rizzo stops here, this team will be lucky to win 69, unless Pujols decides he wants to be traded here. But Rizzo is not done; I just fear that more Gaudins is what we'll get; as much as I think Desmond can be a star if he checks his ego, let him go if if brings Garza or Greinke and hope Espinoza hits .255 at SS and that Lombardozzi or someone else can cover 2B. But unless Lee or LaRoche has a career year and Harper is ROY, we can't top 70 Ws with our nonrotation.

Posted by: grclarkdc1 | December 18, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Get a grip people. Even if the Nationals sign Mantle, Ruth, Gibson, and Maddux they will still need utility players, middle relievers, minor league depth, and scratch players for spring training. You don't have to run to the bathroom every time they acquire a player you don't like. Stairs, Gaudin, Antonelli, etc... are no threat to success in 2011. Gaudin is actually a pretty decent candidate for the long reliever/spot starter role. Stairs is the career leader in pinch hit home runs - maybe he makes the team maybe he retires. Antonelli fills a roster position in AAA.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 18, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah. Like the Lerners are gonna pony up for Ruth. Trust me, Ruth is gonna wear pin stripes. And all because the Lerners are cheap. Also Rizzo is an idiot. And Riggleman would double switch him anyway. Not that the Babe would want to come here to this team.

There. Did I get them all? :)

Posted by: NatsFly | December 18, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the Guadin, Stairs signings -- there's no harm in that at all. I don't see 100 losses, either. But I've been disappointed too many times before to be overly optimistic.

I'm glad so many folks are on the D. Lee bandwagon now; I advocated that way back, but that was before the need for a left-handed bat because so acute.

Wouldn't mind having Lee if he actually wants to be here, (as LaRoche may not. Hey, he already did Pittsburgh!) and given that Derrek is healthy, as he was not last year.

I'm not convinced that a predominantly RH line-up is a good idea, but D. Lee is looking better. Still, please, Nats, give ol' NJ a look. Anybody heard how he's healing?

Posted by: nats24 | December 19, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Greinke to the Brewers?
http://www.onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/brewersgreinketrade.html

According to a reliable source with knowledge of the situation, the Brewers late Saturday agreed to terms with Kansas City on a deal that would send right-hander Zack Greinke to Milwaukee.

In the deal, the Brewers would send the Royals outfielder Lorenzo Cain, shortstop Alcides Escobar and prospect pitchers Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress for Greinke, who went 10-14 with a 4.17 ERA last season with Kansas City.

The Brewers are expected to receive another "major league" player in the deal, according to the source. Jim Breem of the blog "Bernie's Crew" reported that player to be shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt.

Posted by: Sunderland | December 19, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

biscuit, nice post, nice sentiment, and to whatever degree your ridicule and mockery was aimed at me, I took it without objection.
FYI - I was impressed, and yes, even a bit envious, of your way with punishing prose.


Posted by: Sunderland | December 19, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

>I believe MLB frowns upon, and would void a trade, based on money. They'll allow money to offset a contract, like if KC included money for us to pay Grienke's contract. But I don't think MLB would allow one team to essentially buy a player from another team.
Posted by: Sunderland

This is true if you're strictly buying a player, but they would need to throw some players in too. They're gonna have to get up off of JZimm or Storen at a minimum to get Greinke. Got to look at it logically - JZimm has only been good for 100 or so innings a year, hasn't thrown that much in general, was a late bloomer, pitched in Wisconsin where the seasons are short. Greinke's a workhorse, power pitcher who can give you 200. Now, KC might turn Storen into a starter - which would make him much more valuable in a trade, but the Nats are insistent on keeping Storen in the pen as their rotation implodes. So he's got more value than they're getting out of him. He's got three pitches he can throw for strikes, and he's an utter waste at the back end of the bullpen on a bad team. Unfortunately, other teams know this and are going to target him. Stick to the plan, Pants!

Posted by: Brue | December 19, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't mater what players we thrown in, unless it's RZim or Werth we can't include money in a trade. They're the only ones with real contracts, and in all practical terms, we couldn't even include money for them.
Maybe Pudge, but that's a small amount for a guy they'd have little use for.
So any trade talks tween us and KC (or us and anyone for that matter) can not include us giving them money.

Storen as a starter. I agree, I would try this. Our bullpen is a (relative) strength, in better shape than other areas of the team. Starters have more value, both real and perceived than relievers. There's a lot of upside and no real downside at all.

Posted by: Sunderland | December 19, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I second Sunderland's vote. Nicely done, natsbiscuits. Resorting to name calling is the easy way out, indeed, and happens all to often on the Interwebz (not that Sunderland is prone to that, anyway, but a classy post on his part, imo).

Oh, and Greinke's evidently heading to Milwaukee per MLB Trade Rumors.

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It's hard not to resort to name calling. I keep erasing my best stuff for fear it would be too inflammatory, but take my word for it, I just gave you Negative Nancy's the talking to that you so richly deserve. We're talking open mockery and ridicule and punishing prose. Now get off my cloud. The Nats are moving in the right direction and I have faith in Rizzo's ability to make good decisions.

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 18, 2010 6:40 PM

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | December 19, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't mater what players we thrown in, unless it's RZim or Werth we can't include money in a trade. They're the only ones with real contracts, and in all practical terms, we couldn't even include money for them.
Posted by: Sunderland

Sure they could - it would have to be approved, though. But it's not impossible. 'For the good of the game' - Budco has done that before.
RZim and Werth are the only two with real contracts - this is the real indictment of Pants. Not only does he not have a solid major league base to deal (or trade) with, his prospects for the most part aren't ready or aren't all that. It's one big hole. Hurry Pants before Milwaukee gets Greinke!!! Make your big move, Pants!! Options are running out what will we do with all of our 80-something MPH starters Pants!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brue | December 19, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Adam's contributions to "The Reliable Source's" coverage of the movie "How Do You Know" are hilarious. It's in the Friday, Dec. 17 Style section. Owen Wilson plays a Nats pitcher. Roxanne and Amy needed a baseball expert, and Adam obliged, to hilarious effect. "How Do You Know" is about baseball, he says, like "Casablanca" is about restaurants." It's worth a read.

Posted by: flynnie321 | December 19, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

>Adam's contributions to "The Reliable Source's" coverage of the movie "How Do You Know" are hilarious. It's in the Friday, Dec. 17 Style section. Owen Wilson plays a Nats pitcher. Roxanne and Amy needed a baseball expert, and Adam obliged, to hilarious effect. "How Do You Know" is about baseball, he says, like "Casablanca" is about restaurants." It's worth a read.

Posted by: flynnie321

Simply horrified by the attitude of Kilgore. I could resort to name-calling, but I've already told off you negative Nancys but good. Need to go back to BPG and get some jpegs and substantive dialogue about workplace sexual harassment to help me through.

... The movie's first mention of the Nationals comes during an ESPN SportsCenter highlight of a Nats victory, reports Kilgore, "which lets the viewer know it's a work of fiction."
The one main shot of Nationals Park, however, shows it to be half-empty, "which leads the viewer to believe this might not be fiction." ...

Posted by: Brue | December 19, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so Grienke is in now the NL but not in DC.

Good news: the NL will not lose an All Star game for YEARS -- Lee, Halladay, Oswalt, Grienke, Santana, Hanson, Josh Johnson, Latos, Dempster, Strasburg, Wainright, Carpenter, Hudson, Cain, Lincecum, Chapman, etc.

Bad news: the Nats will not be worried about home field advantage in the World Series in our life times.

Posted by: dfh21 | December 19, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks guys. Just trying to put the fun back in dysFUNctional....

Posted by: natbiscuits | December 19, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

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