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Posted at 3:17 PM ET, 01/14/2011

Adam LaRoche introduced at news conference

By Gene Wang

The Washington Nationals introduced Adam LaRoche today at a news conference at Nationals Park, officially welcoming the first baseman signed to a multi-year deal to replace fan favorite Adam Dunn and considered a substantial upgrade defensively on a team that struggled in the field at times last season.

Mike Rizzo, the Nationals' executive vice president for baseball operations, and Manager Jim Riggleman flanked LaRoche on the podium, and after LaRoche donned his No. 25 jersey and posed for photographs, all spoke about the promising future for the club that has been retooled since its final game of last season.

"It was a place I wanted to end up," LaRoche said of coming to the nation's capital. "There were obviously a few teams out there in the mix. I can remember telling my agent if this is at all possible, let's get this done in Washington."

Another incentive, LaRoche said, was joining a lineup that included outfielder Jayson Werth, whom the Nationals signed to a contract worth $126 million over seven years. LaRoche and Werth will form the heart of the order along with third baseman Ryan Zimmerman.


Riggleman said he has been jotting down lineup possibilities, which include Zimmerman batting third with Werth and LaRoche in some order at Nos. 4 and 5.

LaRoche is a lifetime .271 hitter and has had seven seasons with at least 20 home runs. He is coming off a season in which he hit .261 with 25 homers and a career-high 100 RBI with the Arizona Diamondbacks. LaRoche's single-season high for home runs was 32 in 2006 with Atlanta.

While his power numbers are not that of Dunn, who belted at least 40 homers for five straight seasons and had 38 in each of his last two with Washington, LaRoche's defense was among the most appealing qualities when the Nationals began exploring options at first during the offseason.

LaRoche has had three seasons with a fielding percentage of .996 or better. In 2009, he his .999 percentage was second in the National League. His career fielding percentage of .995 is ninth among active players. LaRoche also ranked fourth in the NL in assists during each of the past two seasons and was third in 2006.

"Defense is something especially on the infield and in my position, I have a chance to bail out guys a lot," said LaRoche, who has a two-year deal with an option for a third season. "I can make them look really bad, or I can make them look really good. It's something I've always taken a lot of pride in. I love when those guys make a great play and an errant throw and to be able to bail them out and potentially save some runs."

LaRoche is scheduled to make $15 million in the first two years of his contract, $7 million this season and $8 million the next. He and the Nationals have a mutual option for 2013. If LaRoche stays with the Nationals, he'll make $10 million, but the Nationals could buy him out for $1 million. In effect, LaRoche will make $16 million over two years or $25 million over three.

By Gene Wang  | January 14, 2011; 3:17 PM ET
Categories:  Adam LaRoche  
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Comments

Welcome to Washington, Mr. LaRoche. Now, can you corral some of those wicked throws from SS and 3B for us?

Posted by: NatsFly | January 14, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to Washington Adam.

Posted by: cr8oncsu | January 14, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hi Adam this is Washington DC the home of the fickled fan. We'll love you today and hate you tomorrow, but know we respect you everyday. Have fun and play hard. Thanks in advance for saving the kids from errors.

Posted by: Berndaddy | January 14, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

LaRoche later went on to say "Well, I just gotta make the best of a situation. I really wanted to play on a winner but winning teams wouldn't have me. So I had to wait for a perennial loser to scrape the bottom of the walmart $5 dvd bin and find me."

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 14, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Because until all the other teams that wanted new first basemen had signed them, it wasn't really possible to come to my real first choice here in Washington. IMO "I'm pleased to be here" would be better than the suggestion that he wanted to come here all along if only his agent could find a way to make it happen.

Posted by: Arkymark | January 14, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

So Gene Wang wrote this? Is that Chinming Wangs cousin?

Posted by: PensRule | January 14, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"LaRoche later went on to say "Well, I just gotta make the best of a situation. I really wanted to play on a winner but winning teams wouldn't have me. So I had to wait for a perennial loser to scrape the bottom of the walmart $5 dvd bin and find me."

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P"

As Admiral McPoop Fell and his Angel'O's sink slowly into the Poop of the bay watching that brown tide swirl away ... yep sitting in Camden Yahds collecting last place baseball cards.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

And so the question remains; Who was dropped to DFA / Waiver release status to clear roster space?

Posted by: BinM | January 14, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,
You are too funny, I think you might be eating Poopy's s#it. When was the last time the Nats didn't finish in last. You talk about them as if they are the '27 Yanks.

Posted by: break20 | January 14, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"And so the question remains; Who was dropped to DFA / Waiver release status to clear roster space?"

Another point of comparison between the past and now. Taking notes Poopy and break20?

SideShow JimBo would have announced it on Skype before telling the player. Rizzo and his FO keep it close to the vest right to the last, as long as they can ...

You don't think players, their wives, et al don't notice? Its why LaRoche got the glowing reports ... folks running this version of Natstown have a lot more class.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Peric--Please stop feeding the troll. Everyone, except you, is ignoring him as he deserves but you incite him. Also, your posts normally are worthy of a read, but when you are responding to him you are simply gross and disgusting. Please. Stop.

Posted by: NatsFly | January 14, 2011 6:30 PM | Report abuse

It's just the opposite. Instead of the '27 Yankees, most fans in Washington seem to expect a team that has been around for 5 years to have developed a tradition of excellence that matches the best organizations in baseball.

Bowden failed for 4 years in his job as GM and Rizzo is digging out of the hole.

Funny that Greinke wanted to go to Milwaukee.

Yes, they have been in the playoffs but haven't won a World Series since before Kennedy was president.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | January 14, 2011 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Bowden failed for 4 years in his job as GM and Rizzo is digging out of the hole."

And based on the comments he made in answer to Ben Goessling's queries its seems as if (preface IMHO) that Rizzo is seething inside. I believe Rizzo takes the offense to his organization as very personal affront.

His admission that he rushed Maya to the majors is also telling. The two disasters of losing Strasburg and the almost complete failure of FA signee Marquis must have hurt a lot more than was admitted. The hope that Maya might give the organization a shot in the arm might have been prevalent in his thinking at the time.

Again, I can't wait for episode 2 (not Phase II): Mike Rizzo strikes back!

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I tire of smirk-laden comments.

Mr. LaRoche, I have been a Washington fan since 1947. While in the hospital for about a year, blind, I would count on the game broadcasts to get me through any given day. When it rained, I was depressed. My father, Matthew, was Shirley Povich's accountant. (If you are not familiar with his name, please Google it.)

We've had some great first-basement. The one I liked the most was Mickey Vernon. He won the batting championship in, I believe, 1953, batting .337. The circumstances were rather sordid, however. Cleveland's Al Rosen's final game ended before Vernon's. Rosen was headed for a Triple Crown, with a .336 average, 43 homes and 145 RBIs. Vernon had one more at bat in the ninth inning. But the two batters before him "cheated" Rosen out of Vernon's last at-bat, one letting himself be picked off second base and the next, who rounded first base and kept on running after hitting a single, and getting tagged out at second. I wish the other team had responded by not tagging him out, so that Vernon would have had an honest chance to win the title fairly. Some believe that Rosen's religion was in play in Washington.

Anyway, I'll be just about 70 as you enter your third month with the team and, if things work out for me, will get to see you play as a National, even only on TV. But, know that there will always be one fan rooting his heart out for you.

Kind regards,

Julian Tepper
Placitas, NM

Posted by: jutepper1 | January 14, 2011 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Rizzo doesn't need to "take it personally", he just needs to keep building the team. The Strasburg & Marquis injuries were unforseen, and can't be placed on him. Admitting that rushing Maya was a mistake adds to his credibility as a GM, as you hint at.

Where Rizzo went wrong was being up-front about wanting a #1SP going forward in 2011, then not landing one; No real shame there, as a number of other teams failed in their quest for the same thing. The perceived mistake was announcing that as his top priority for this off-season, then failing to pull it off; He's taking a beating from the locals as a result.

Posted by: BinM | January 14, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"Rizzo doesn't need to "take it personally", he just needs to keep building the team."

@BinM,

True, but the kind of rejection faced this offseason from elite free agents (most especially the pitchers) tends to leave an indelible impression. It would think it would be a matter or pride.

I don't believe for a minute it would normally sway him from making sober, objective decisions. That I believe is one reason he hired the huge brain trust he has in place working with him: to remind him to stay the course and not make emotional decisions. Rushing Maya might just have been one. Its probably both a challenge and a huge learning experience for Mike Rizzo. A challenge I am certain he is capable of meeting, managing and mastering.

There is still time left to work a trade or two so perhaps he won't completely fail in meeting his objective.

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2011 8:12 PM | Report abuse

POOPY McPOOP, You are what you eat.

Posted by: dcnationals1 | January 14, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Tampa Bay is going to be one "sick" franchise ... should even give the Bronx Bombers pause ... as well as the BoSox

Keith Law:

"The Soriano signing and Oakland's deal with Grant Balfour give Tampa Bay an unbelievable haul of picks in the 2011 Rule 4 draft, which is shaping up as one of the best amateur drafts in recent memory. The Rays will have three first-round picks, seven sandwich-round picks (potentially eight if Chad Qualls signs a major league deal with San Diego), and back-to-back picks near the end of the second round. That's 11 of the first 60 picks and 13 of the first 90 for a team that drafts well and commits money to signing top picks."

Posted by: periculum | January 14, 2011 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"Funny that Greinke wanted to go to Milwaukee.

Yes, they have been in the playoffs but haven't won a World Series since before Kennedy was president.


Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | January 14, 2011 6:36 PM"

Because MAYBE, Milwaukee has had more recent success and people actually go to the games. And also, when was the last time a team from DC made the playoffs? Umm, 1933, when was the last time a team from DC won a Series 1924. A bit longer. There is a reason that baseball left DC, not once but TWICE!!!!

Posted by: break20 | January 14, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,
I guess you don't mind not resigning your boy, Dunn since that means extra draft picks. Most teams prefer to re-sign their players, but teams like TB can't afford too. So guess what those players won't be in TB or wherever they play in 6 years more likely than not.

Posted by: break20 | January 14, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

@RoyHobbs4:
That team in Milwaukee that won the World Series in 1957 was the Milwaukee Braves, who currently reside in Atlanta (the move was in 1966) and won the Series in 1995. The Brewers lost the Series in 1982 when they were in the AL; they switched to the NL in 1998.

Posted by: bertbkatz | January 14, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Mr. Tepper. Hang in there till the Nats make it to the post season, like the rest of us in the dwindling bunch that go back to the Griffith era.

Posted by: nats24 | January 15, 2011 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Welcome to Washington, Adam. I wish you the best of luck during your brief stay. All in all, not a bad place to end a career...just ask McNabb.

Errr, RoyHobbs4, the Nats have been here for 6 seasons, starting their 7th in 2011. Do the math using both hands next time.

Posted by: howjensen | January 15, 2011 4:56 AM | Report abuse

"Errr, RoyHobbs4, the Nats have been here for 6 seasons, starting their 7th in 2011. Do the math using both hands next time."

"After being purchased by MLB in 2002, the team was moved before the 2005 season to Washington and renamed the Nationals."

"When Ted Lerner took over the club in mid-2006, he hired Stan Kasten as team president."

Given MLB ownership from 2002 creating an organization far worst than any new expansion franchise which typically gets an additional draft of players off of other major league clubs? A year and half transition (Bowden's continuing role making things worst). A new stadium in 2008?

Have the Lerner's and Mike Rizzo really been at it all that long? Doesn't look like it if you carefully consider it?

That may be one difference between DC and Atlanta or Milwaukee may be patience. Too often DC wants everything yesterday and given the federal government is here one would think it would be the reverse?

As Rizzo described it, its frustrating. But its not insurmountable, as much as I wish the Nats were in Tampa's shoes with all of those draft picks for one of the best drafts in recent memory ... its going to require patience and a bit of luck.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2011 7:04 AM | Report abuse

The LaRoche signing is official, and we have to make room for him on the roster. Looks to me like it became official on 1/7/2011, and we would have had to DFA someone that day.
When a team DFA's a player, they then have a 10 day period to decide what they're doing with him. During the first 7 of those days they can place the player on waivers, typically done in the hopes that he clears waivers and he can be assigned to a minor league club. (If, like in the case of JMax, he has no options left, he'd have to accept the assignment.)
Also during the 10 day period the player can be traded. So perhaps Rizzo is trying to work out a trade. This trade doesn't necessarily need to involve the specific played that was DFA'd, because if the trade opens up a roster spot, then the player can be returned to the 40 man roster.

So, Monday the 17th, we should know what's going on with the roster.

Posted by: Sunderland | January 15, 2011 7:28 AM | Report abuse

@break20
Baseball left DC because fans did not support the team by going to the games. Neither owner wanted to leave, but they could not afford to stay. The Cubs would leave Chicago if the fans quit coming!

So go to the games. Support the team. The guys say over and over that they appreciate the fans showing up and cheering them on.

This team does have excellent potential. The defense is greatly improved in RF and 1B. Espinosa is maybe, finally the answer at 2B. Desmond will be better now that LaRoche is here. Ramos'll be an excellent catcher, and I think Morgan will get his groove back - that broken wrist frustrated him at the plate last year still.

I agree that losing Marquis was a huge blow to hopes last year. No place to go but up with him. Zimmermann will have a whole year to get in his groove, Lannan has bounced back, Maya should not have his transition problems and can focus on pitching and Livo will be Livo: 2 of 3 he'll give us a chance to win.

All the snarky pessimism here is just plain old. Had Rizzo done nothing I could see it - but he's done a great deal more than nothing. I like that we swapped one guy with poor defense and 40 homers for 2 guys with better defense and 50 homers.

This team will compete if healthy. The Philthies may have the marquee staff but they have to stay healthy too, and solve a problem in RF, see if their SS has anything left in the tank, etc., etc.

I look forward to every game - because every day they have a chance to win.

Welcome to Adam Laroche!

Posted by: dand187 | January 15, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Adam, welcome to the capital of the universe. Pay no attention to the skeptics. We've had a tough transition to baseball over the past few years. Play hard, play smart and produce at your career averages and this place will love you. You are joining a franchise on the way up, and you can be a great addition.

Posted by: JamesFan2 | January 15, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

@break20
The Cubs would leave Chicago if the fans quit coming!"

Wow. Are you ever ignorant of Washington baseball history! And I don't use the word ignorant to attack you, it just is what it is. I will not regurgitate the minutae, but I suggest you do a quick read up on Calvin Griffith and Bob Short before you make a blanket statement that "Baseball left DC because fans did not support the team by going to the games. Neither owner wanted to leave, but they could not afford to stay." Griffith, a racist, was looking for "whiter" pastures just as soon as his adoptive uncle Clark died. Short purchased the team with almost NONE of his own money and for two years drew excellent (for late '60's early '70's) crowds. He planned a Texas move prior to purchase. To say that both owners wanted to stay shows massive ignorance of both men and what they actually did. If bad attendance for bad teams that seem they will never improve is a barometer of whether the team should re-locate, I suggest that you look at the poor crowds in Wrigley in the '50's, '60's and '70's, Commiskey, Fenway, Pittsburgh, New York (Yanks), Philadelphia, Philadelphia, KC, Atlanta, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Texas, Anaheim, Seattle, Cleveland, Montreal,Tampa, Baltimore, Houston, San Diego, Oakland, San Francisco..... Paying huge $$$ to support a dreadful team in this economic climate is not in the psyche of today's working family. If the product stinks, as Stan Kasten said, "You get the attendance you deserve." I suggest that you read "Kiss it Goodbye" by Shelby Whitfield and "They've Stolen Our Team" by David Gough and you can brush up on your history before delivering warmed over, incorrect factoids.

Posted by: Natstoyou | January 15, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

>>It may be the Nats' last grip-and-grin photo op of the offseason. Spring training is right around the corner, calendar-wise, and while Nationals fans await those five magic words - "pitchers and catchers report today" - they also await word that the Nats' front office has landed a top-of-the-rotation juggernaut to shore up last year's rickety and injury-plagued pitching staff.

Help is not, apparently, just a phone call away. General Manager Mike Rizzo is disappointed and frustrated by his inability to land a top-flight starter - "I would refer to it as more frustrated, but yes, a bit disappointed, yes," he admitted Friday. It's not from lack of trying, and he hasn't stopped looking, but time is running out.

"They're hard to get," Rizzo said. "The people who have them don't want to get rid of them. Deals have to make sense for you in the long term to make trades and it just hasn't worked out so far."

-Tracee Hamilton

Pants says it's hard to get pitching. What's gonna be hard is watching the disaster you have in your rotation. 5 weeks to pitchers and catchers Pants HURRRRRRRRYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Brue | January 15, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

@RoyHobbs,
I guess you aren't a "natural" when it comes to baseball history.

@dand187,
You are partially correct, but neither Griffith nor Short liked DC as a baseball market as well.

"The Cubs would leave Chicago if the fans quit coming!"
Umm yeah, it's an effin business, the White Sox, Giants, etc have all flirted with other markets.

This team will compete if healthy. The Philthies may have the marquee staff but they have to stay healthy too, and solve a problem in RF, see if their SS has anything left in the tank, etc., etc."

You are too funny, the Gnats offense is comparable to the Giants. However, the starting pitching is MAJOR difference, same thing with Gnats. The Gnats would love to have the Phillies "problems."

@Natstoyou,
I think you meant to direct your comments to Dan, not me, based on your response. But I should point out to you, the Gnats drew the lowest for opening a new stadium in 2008 in recent memory, compare that to the success of Camden Yards, Coors Field, Target Field, Jacobs Field, etc, it's laughable how pathetic of a baseball market DC is.

Posted by: break20 | January 15, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Yes break20, it was directed to Dan and not you. But your comment is interesting: "the Gnats drew the lowest for opening a new stadium in 2008 in recent memory, compare that to the success of Camden Yards, Coors Field, Target Field, Jacobs Field, etc, it's laughable how pathetic of a baseball market DC is."
Interesting (notwithstanding your puerile use of 'Gnats' - ha ha) because the team filled 70% of the seats despite losing 102 games and having the worst record in MLB. If your judgement is that putting lipstick on a pig makes the pig more attractive, then to each his own. A new stadium is not the answer long term to good attendance. Did each of the teams that you mentioned lose 102 games in their first year new ballpark? Is Cleveland a pathetic baseball market now that Jacobs Field drew the fewest fans in MLB last year? Please do educate us all on why DC fans are such a joke? This franchise has been supported WELL above what they deserve considering the p--- poor product they have fielded for 5 of 6 years at above average MLB prices. And we take your comments seriously because....????

Posted by: Natstoyou | January 15, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Mets sign Wille Harris...., Mets faithful besides themselves.

Check it out..., www.newyorkdailynews.com

Posted by: TippyCanoe | January 15, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I seem to remember a certain football team leaving Baltimore a while back - was that because of how pathetic that market is/was?

Posted by: goexpos2 | January 15, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

@Natstoyou,
In fairness to you the Gnats stadium isn't exactly the Taj Mahal. Most of the new stadiums draw on the stadiums themselves, it's not exactly like the Orioles, Rockies, or Indians were great teams when they were drawing record numbers, but the fans wanted a new experience. They didn't want that in DC.

Cleveland/Baltimore draw bad now because those are bad teams and it's not about the stadium experience. Nats Park is entering its 4th year and there is no excitement.

The Lerners have the most money but don't spend it. Even with Werth it looks like the payroll will be lower and two significant parts (Stras/Harper) won't even be on the team this year.

Quit making excuses.

Posted by: break20 | January 15, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Natstoyou's recollection of the Senators' ownership was exactly right. I'd add one point -- After the '69 Nats drew nearly a million fans, Bob Short nearly doubled the ticket prices, and kept bad-mouthing the location of RFK (for those who went to games back then, that was without basis.)

Everybody knows what happened after Short, acing as his own GM, made the disasterous Denny McLain deal.

I don't buy this trashing of Nationals Park, either (other than my distaste for $8 beer). I go to see the team on the field, not the distractions elsewhere in the stands and concourses.

Posted by: nats24 | January 15, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"The Lerners have the most money but don't spend it. Even with Werth it looks like the payroll will be lower and two significant parts (Stras/Harper) won't even be on the team this year."

First, as Sunderland points out, Rizzo seems likely to be working on a trade. No announcement has been made as to the slot LaRoche will occupy on the 40-man roster.

Rizzo did somehow manage to upgrade both right field and first base. Yes break20 better fielding and athleticism is an upgrade for that position. He has to believe what his scouts are telling him. Second base and shortstop have been upgraded from within. Rizzo managed to acquire a young prospect outfielder who bats from the left side who still has a lot of potential. Rizzo managed to upgrade a bullpen that last year was one of the best in the majors.

With the Lerners behind him Rizzo attempted to get Cliff Lee and De La Rosa, when that didn't work out he had a trade in place for Zach Grienke and they authorized him lavish Grienke with many more dollars in the form of an extension.

No, the Nats do not have SF's stadium on the bay. And the Anacostia is not like being the Inner Harbor. But the Lerner's (unlike previous owners even from the distant past) are true locals who have made their vast fortunes here not in some other locale. They aren't leaving. Neither are the Nats. Because they are so wealthy they can be a bit more patient apparently than you.

So, let's look again at that team that you seem to like to ignore. The one that is probably making your man McFail throw fits? The small market Tampa Bay Rays. Do they have a wonderful stadium? Amazing fan base like DC. NO, not even close. But they were competitive and are expected to be competitive this year and if they manage to get some additional pieces for their bullpen they might just repeat? Even after losing so many star quality players to free agency.

Tampa Bay's payroll now sits at 19 million. After arbitration/extensions it should max out at around 30 million. They add to the bullpen, probably get Vlad Guerrero or Manny Ramirez for DH? They will still be under 60 million.

I have yet to hear the Lerners talk about trimming payroll as the Rays' ownership did. If anything just the opposite. But they aren't going to be the Cubs; and are resolved not to pay for anything less than a competitive team. Rizzo is not going to pay someone just to prove he can. Rizzo might have offered a lot more to Werth but then he is a far better athlete and baseball player than most of what was out there. He is a better fielder than Crawford. Rizzo and the fan base has already been badly burned by Jason Marquis in 2010.

Eventually, if they keep pushing they will undoubtedly prevail and will start fielding consistent winners at the major league level. At this point, Washington HAS NEVER SEEN a better run baseball franchise in its long history.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Washington has most surely seen better run baseball franchises, it's just that it's usually other teams or its from waxing nostalgia from the TWO previous teams that than MOVED AWAY.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 15, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Washington has most surely seen better run baseball franchises, it's just that it's usually other teams or its from waxing nostalgia from the TWO previous teams that than MOVED AWAY."

Yeah, have to figure Angelos will be selling the Orioles to Vegas interests ... sooner or later. There's no governator of Ballimer (William Donald Schafer) to save them. B-more goes back to the bush leagues of AAA where it belongs.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

If Angelos didn't have the home team advantage for 18 full houses a year for Red Sox and Yankees games and 3 against the Nats, and 3 against the White Sox, they wouldn't have 800,000 paid attendence.

Then add to that the Selig minimum value guarantee that MLB gave so Angelos would remove his blockade around Washington.

Angelos is a 5 foot tall excuse for a man.

Posted by: PensRule | January 15, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Nice logic there Pens Rule. If the Natinals didn't have the home team advantage of 18 full houses against the Mets and Phillies and 3 against the O's, the Natinals would be lucky to draw 100,000.

I mean, the O's even outdraw the Natinals, in tv ratings, in the DC/Metro area.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 15, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

PmP: I'd advise that you read up on your history a little; Washington had a competive franchise in the 1920's & '30's. Of course, that was back in the days when Baltimore didn't even have a team (1899-1957), before the former StL Browns moved - That was well before your time, I'm sure, and of no matter in the current discussion.

It took the Orioles until 1965 (eight years) to build a competetive team in a smaller league (20-24 teams) than the Nationals currently face (30 teams).

I offer that the Nationals will have a competetive team in the same time (eight years) as BAL, against a larger league, and tougher draft structure.

Posted by: BinM | January 15, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"I mean, the O's even outdraw the Natinals, in tv ratings, in the DC/Metro area."

Angelos OWNS the TV network and the distribution is poor. Its not like CNY.

It doesn't matter he and admiral Ori-hole byrd will be off to Vegas soon. Hmmm wonder what they will rename the byrd to? Dice K? Liquor in the front Poker in the rear? How about Maryland can't hold 'em?

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"I'd advise that you read up on your history a little; Washington had a competive franchise in the 1920's & '30's."

Griffith was NOTORIOUSLY cheap and racist for that matter ... not just against african americans. Walter Johnson actually held out his second year with the team for higher pay! Walter Johnson!!!??

That's well run? They got lucky in that they had some decent pitching beyond the 36 year old Johnson in Firpo Marberry and George Mogridge. Relievers weren't even close to as important back then.

Plus some good young players in Goose Goslin, Bucky Harris, Sam Rice, Muddy Ruel, Joe Judge.

Griffith liked to trade 'em away for money not prospects. The only reason he lucked out was the fact he had the Big Train (avoiding the tempting notion of trading him) and the lack of free agency that was prevalent in baseball at the time. The players had little to no rights and were paid that way. Perhaps this team could have done more than 24/25 ... except this is when the great Yankees dynasty was being built. And back then there were no playoff games beyond the world series.

1933 was right smack dab in the middle of the Yankees dynasty. That really was sheer luck.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to mention Zachary and Ogden who were also both critical pitching in the Senators 24-25 pennant run.

Mogridge was 35 to Johnson's 36

Marberry and Ogen were young.

Taylor around 28.

Posted by: periculum | January 15, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

DanD- baseball left DC because the owners put a bush league product on the field- fans weren't going to waste their money on the crap that Bob Short and Calvin Griffith put out there. The "fans" who continuously whine about Dan Snyder's "meddling" should remember the brinkman-Rodriguez trade for Denny McLain. That's what brought that franchise down.
I guess we're supposed to swallow the party line that a few extra ground balls is supposed to compensate for losing 15 HR's per season. Sorry, it doesn't add up. Look for another 70- win season. Strasberg and Harper, talented as they might be, seem like a couple of me-first spoiled brats(how exactly do you blow out an arm at 21??!!!) Rizzo, start updating your resume..

Posted by: markappraiser1 | January 15, 2011 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,
Are you employed by the Gnats, you seem satsified with a team that last produced a winning seaosn in a different country and has never had any postseason success. I guess to quote the great John Lennon, "You can [Periculum] is a dreamer."

But in all seriousness, you don't have a bad word to say about any moves the Gnats and/or Lerners have made.

What's your prediction for this season? Do they win the World Series?

I'm Nuts about Gnats!

Posted by: break20 | January 15, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, Washington HAS NEVER SEEN a better run baseball franchise in its long history."

That's a very LAUGHABLE statement, did you drink from poopy's brown stuff in the Anacostia? Gnats are now the Senators, first in war, first in peace, LAST in the NL East! DC baseball has such low standards, where do I begin? Who was the last HOF to wear a DC cap into Cooperstown? Go find a real baseball team to root for!

Posted by: break20 | January 15, 2011 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"If Angelos didn't have the home team advantage for 18 full houses a year for Red Sox and Yankees games and 3 against the Nats, and 3 against the White Sox, they wouldn't have 800,000 paid attendence.

Then add to that the Selig minimum value guarantee that MLB gave so Angelos would remove his blockade around Washington.

Angelos is a 5 foot tall excuse for a man.

Posted by: PensRule | January 15, 2011 3:46 PM"

Those teams don't fill up the ballpark anymore and by your logic Pitt fan, if the Gnats didn't have the Phillies, they would never sell out either. Lots more Philly fans attend Gnats Park than Yanks/BoSux fans attend OPACY. Citizen Bank Park South is great! And go root on your pathetic Pirates!

Posted by: break20 | January 15, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@BinM:

"Washington had a competive franchise in the 1920's & '30's. Of course, that was back in the days when Baltimore didn't even have a team (1899-1957), before the former StL Browns moved - That was well before your time, I'm sure, and of no matter in the current discussion.

"It took the Orioles until 1965 (eight years) to build a competetive team in a smaller league (20-24 teams) than the Nationals currently face (30 teams)."

Bin, this statement needed some historical correction. The Browns moved to Baltimore in 1954. After 1959, their only two sub-.500 finishes were in 1962 and 1967, the latter coming the year after their 4-game sweep of the Dodgers in 1966.

So I would say that it took them seven years to achieve respectability, and this was against a 16-20 team league. The first year with 24 teams was 1969.

Posted by: bertbkatz | January 15, 2011 7:01 PM | Report abuse

@markappraiser1:

I can agree that Griffith and Short were lousy owners who put a lousy team on the field, but attendance was still reasonable for the time period. After the 1969 Senators finished 10 games over .500, Short doubled ticket prices. Griffith was a racist money-grubber; Short was just a money-grubber.

And Strasburg is a me-first, spoiled brat because he blew out his arm at 21? Talk about blaming the victim! Guess you agree with Dibble, huh? Just suck it up? Check out the next post, about the 5K-run benefit Strasburg threw for the SDSU Aztecs. I wouldn't be applying for Rizzo's job anytime soon, markappraiser1.

Posted by: bertbkatz | January 15, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Kinda strange how "all" of the scatologically inclined posters seem to get online in the same time frame and fling their, um, insults back and forth. Maybe it's just one puppetmaster trying to stir things up? Nah.

Posted by: natsfan1a1 | January 16, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Quiet you. Nobody cares about your stupid "theories" so stop copy/pasting them in numerous threads.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 16, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Periculum: Not only did Walter Johnson hold out, but he announced his intention to sign with the new, rival Federal League for the 1915-1916 seasons, but after Griffith threatened to sue him, he backed down.

There is a framed reproduction of a 1914 magazine cover, with Johnson's picture, hung in at least one of the luxury suites at Nationals Park. It bears the teaser headline: "Why I signed with the Federals." I suspect the people who hung it there have no idea what it refers to; they probably think that was another name for the Nats/Senators.

The team Johnson signed with, the Chicago Federals, built the only ballpark still in use by the major leagues: Weeghman park, later renamed Wrigley Field.

And, as most of us know, the Major Leagues drove the Federal League out of business, leading the the Federal League's antitrust suit in which the Supreme Court ruled that baseball was not interstate commerce and is therefore exempt from the US antitrust laws.

Posted by: Meridian1 | January 17, 2011 8:49 AM | Report abuse

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