Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: AdamKilgoreWP and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Sports and Redskins  |  RSS
Posted at 12:00 PM ET, 02/11/2011

Long toss: Nats 2011 pitching staff

By Washington Post Sports

As Adam noted in this morning's post, pitchers have begun to show up in force in Viera. By tomorrow, almost the entire staff should be on hand. Pitching coach Steve McCatty told Kilgore the Nats braintrust expects to have a very competitive spring for pitchers.

Many blog readers have already posted their thoughts on who will comprise the pitching staff come Opening Day. Here's one:

The most likely outcome is a rotation of Livo, Zimmermann, Lannan and Marquis with Gorzelanny in the long relief role until a 5th starter is needed, then sliding into that spot. But I do think that Livo is going to be phased out during the season because I expect him to regress somewhat and the younger arms will crowd him. I also expect that Marquis will either pitch well enough to get traded midseason or poorly enough to get dropped. Stepping into those spots will be a couple of younger players, hopefully Detwiler and Maya (although Stammen may crash the party). Anything the team gets out of Chien-Ming Wang will be gravy, but they can't expect anything from him
. -- JCCfromDC

What do you think?

By Washington Post Sports  | February 11, 2011; 12:00 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Nationals want a competitive spring training for starters
Next: Elijah Dukes is rapping now, says he smoked marijuana before Nationals games

Comments

Maybe if we all just ignore these inane Long Toss posts the Post will quit doing them. Works with trolls...

Posted by: FeelWood | February 11, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

My ears are burning........

As for the Natinals and their pitching staff, shoot they'll be lucky if they can find 5 guys who can even throw the ball 60.6 feet to homeplate, let alone over the plate for strikes.

If you all want to see quality pitching just look up the road in Baltimore, where there are tons of young, up-and-coming pitchers that are going to dominate MLB for the next decade.

The Orioles could have a rotation that could go 7-8 pitchers deep.

Much better than what the Natinals will trot out there this year.

Hahahaha, laughing at the Natinals still having Livan Hernandez. How old is he, like 50? You know he's older than the back of his baseball card says right?

Hahahahahahahahhahaha

And banking of Wang?!?!?! What is this 2005? Hahahahahahhahahaha

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 11, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The best think that could happen, Marquis-wise, if for him to be too injured to ever pitch again for the Nats.

Posted by: mike8 | February 11, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Man, you know the Natinals are bad when their own "fans" are hoping some of their players never suit up in a Natinals uniform.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 11, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"The Orioles could have a rotation that could go 7-8 pitchers deep."


i needed a good laugh, thanks.

(sorry for feeding)

Posted by: Stu27 | February 11, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm with the guy who says the Nats will be lucky to field five pitchers who can make the toss to Pudge without bouncing the ball in front of home plate.

None on the "long toss" list are major league material, except perhaps to fill the fifth spot of a really poor rotation somewhere else.

The Orioles, on the other hand, are shaping up to give their fans a very interesting season.

Posted by: JohnRDC | February 11, 2011 1:18 PM | Report abuse

>>"The Orioles could have a rotation that could go 7-8 pitchers deep."

Guthrie, Matusz, Duch, Bergesen, Arrieta, Tillman, Britton. Yea sounds about right. I'd take any of those guys, minus Duch, over any on the Nats staff. And with Koji and Gregg on the backend, the Os have a real good shot at having one of the better staffs in the league this season and maybe one of the best in the league next year.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | February 11, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The Nats won't need a 5th starter til 4/9, so perhaps Gorzelanny will get some work on april 5th in relief to prep for his start 4/9 (barring no rainouts).

Our rotation seems pretty set in terms of contractural dollars and option status. Gorzelanny has no options; he's going to be on the 25-man roster. We're not paying Marquis $7.5M to go home; he'll be there too. Livan was an absolute steal at $1m per and there's no reason to suspect he's regressing from what he did last year. Lannan and Zimmermann are the only guys who will factor into the rotation beyond 2013. If someone gets hurt, its Maya to the rescue.

I figure us to put Wang on the DL out of spring; he's out of options (as far as I can tell) and i would think he would reject a AAA assignment.

Posted by: tboss | February 11, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I'm not the only one noticing the good things the O's pitchers will bring to the table this year and for years to come.

Meanwhile, the Natinals hopes are riding on a guy recovering from serious surgery and while everyone hopes he comes back fully healthy, is that really what you want to bank your fortunes on?

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 11, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Guthrie, Matusz, Duch, Bergesen, Arrieta, Tillman, Britton. Yea sounds about right.

I remember hearing this last year. But The two most promising Matusz and Tillmen both regressed.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 11, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Matusz regressed?

Hahahahaha, thanks for the laugh.

If you actually look at his stats (and not relying solely on won/loss record) he actually took a few steps forward.

But I can understand the hate towards him from Natinal fans.....

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 11, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Chris Tillman was 5.87 ERA, 1.53 WHIP. I think we can field 7-8 deep if this is the criteria...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 11, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha, what was Jason Marquis ERA and WHIP last year?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 11, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

>>But Matusz regressed.

Really. Let's go to the videotape. After beginning the season 3-11 under Trembley, Matusz finished off the year (under Buck) 7-1 with an under 3 ERA. I'll take that regression anyday!


Posted by: skins_fan_22 | February 11, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

PS: Managers Matter.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | February 11, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Great it only took him till August to figure it out.
Im just saying enjoy your 8 deep rotation, im sure the AL east is cringing at the thought of 8 Tillmans back to back to back...

Posted by: Stu27 | February 11, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

And I'm sure the NL East is cringing at the thought of 5 Marquis back to back to back...

Hhahahahahahahahahahahahhhahhaha

ahahahahahahaahaha

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | February 11, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I never said we go 5 deep or anything deep for that matter. I know what are pitching situation is. You seem to be misinformed of your own teams pitching situation. As you came onto a board to trash their pitching staff despite the fact that the nats staff last year put up across the board better numbers then the orioles staff.
Just not sure how your gonna go from the overall 27th best staff in MLB to a 8 deep power rotation. But then again its a waste. Enjoy the spring, always next year and such.

Posted by: Stu27 | February 11, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

>>Great it only took him till August to figure it out.

Nominated for 1 of the dumbest comments eva!!
Yea guy is 23 in his first full year and finished 10-12 (which in itself is pretty good-- better than any1 on the Nats) and better yet, finishes off 7-1 against Detroit, Yankees, Boston, TB, White Sox, Texas and Angels.
Yea, you're right. What a scrub.

BTW who on the Nats got it figured out at any point last season besides Stras?
Just wondering?

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | February 11, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or does everyone else feel that my severe schizophrenia has been acting up lately? I feel like the United States of Poop over here. One minute I'm laughing at clearly non-humorous statements that I make, and the next I'm just simply embracing the sport of baseball and its two local teams.

With a little self-reflection, alot of medication, and a bit of prodding from my mommy, I really feel I'm turning a corner where I'll stop being a fan of a team and start being a fan of baseball.

And its just the right time of year to do so: When the long dark cold of winter is nearing its close, and theres nothing left but the increasing length of day to be joyously filled with the crack of the bat, the roar of the crowd, and the quick beat of a perfectly turned double play...

Posted by: P00PY__MCP00P | February 11, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

@Poopy_Mcpoop.... Screw the Orioles, and your owner. The website you are looking for is BALTIMORE sun not here.

NATS will have a better record come Sept 28 than the Oreo's

GO NATS!!!

Posted by: NATSFAN10 | February 11, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Next year we will need seasoned guys like Marquis. Why trade him in June if he turns it around. Trade him for what? A pitcher that no contender will give up? Better to extend his contract.
Yes, our pitching success relies on hope as a strategy, but we have a lot more hope that we have had in the last several years. McCatty is on the hot seat and has his work cut out for him. If Gorz want to start and can prove it in ST, let him

Posted by: JamesFan2 | February 11, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

>Maybe if we all just ignore these inane Long Toss posts the Post will quit doing them.

Posted by: FeelWood

Tough guy

Posted by: Brue | February 11, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I think tboos broek it down very well, and that the more interesting competition is going to be for Closer. Storen may not get the nod and they have more than a few guys who have a shot at the role should Drew not shine in the Spring.

Posted by: dfh21 | February 11, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

>>the more interesting competition is going to be for Closer. Storen may not get the nod

Don't think Storen is closer material. Too much finesse. He'll probably wind up a middle long man, which would make him really a reach and a waste of a top-10 pick.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | February 11, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

>Great it only took him till August to figure it out.

Well Bubba, looks like he's got it figured out now. Big Time.

Posted by: dovelevine | February 11, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Rename this site 0's Journal. Why bother to talk about the Nats. No one is posting to this site anymore who cares about the Nats. We've all gone elsewhere.

Posted by: natsguy | February 11, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Please don't feed the trolls. Mud wrestling pigs not only gets you covered in mud, but the pigs actually enjoy it.

It will be nice when Nationals and Orioles fans can argue over which of the teams is going to win the "B/W Parkway" World Series. Neither team is at risk of making the playoffs in the next two years, much less the WS.

As for the comment in the OP, I really can't disagree with it, I think it's spot on! ;)

Posted by: JCCfromDC | February 11, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Elijah Dukes has become a rapper; says MLB has blackballed him because he threatened to blow the whistle on players using illegal drugs, presumably National players. Dukes says he smoked pot before Nats games.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/11/111456/coming-saturday-former-ray-elijah-dukes-reinvents-/news-breaking/

Gee, Washington Post, maybe there's a story here...

Nah, let's get back to Long Toss

Posted by: swanni | February 11, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the original comment in that I don't think Livo or Marquis will last the whole season with the Nats. And it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of them didn't make it past spring training.

Posted by: js_edit | February 11, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

>>PS: Managers Matter.

Speaking of Managers:
All this talk about roster positions and rotations is great. But we've conveniently forgotten one of the most important peeps. Who is in charge?
Let's not forget the importance of the man pulling the strings.
Makes all the difference in the world.
DoubleSwitch vs Buck.
Is DoubleSwitch who you really want in charge?
Really?
Has DoubleSwitch ever gotten the best out of any of his teams?
In Buck we Trust.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | February 11, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Neither Livo nor Marquis are going to be released prior to opening day. The Nats are not going to flush Marquis' salary down the drain in March and they are not going to give up on the guy who was their best pitcher last year while we're still in March.

Posted by: Sunderland | February 11, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Is this why Elijah Dukes was cut so suddenly last March?

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2011/feb/11/111456/coming-saturday-former-ray-elijah-dukes-reinvents-/news-breaking/

Note the allegations of drug use by Dukes and his teammates.

Washington post sports dept. - Are you there? Do you still believe in journalism? Or just long tossing?

Posted by: swanni | February 11, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Well.......that's interesting new's on Elijah Dukes personally i think he was blackballed but that's another story for another day. The starting rotation is long on hope and short on talent and imho their success will depend on McCatty,Pudge, and the overall defense of this team. The usa today sport's weekly published the 100 names you should know in MLB focusing on the young talent the Nat's had two; Wilson Ramos and Bryce Harper, the O's(if you care) had two/three(can't remember) anyway nice article, and by the way stop feeding the troll.

Posted by: dargregmag | February 11, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@ Sunderland. I never said anything about either of them being released. Of course the Nats won't release Marquis or Livo before the end of ST.

Posted by: js_edit | February 11, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Elijah Dukes talking trash isn't necessarily news.

Posted by: js_edit | February 11, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Js edit - if he names names tonight on Tampa TV, it's news.

Posted by: swanni | February 11, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the original comment in that I don't think Livo or Marquis will last the whole season with the Nats. And it wouldn't surprise me if at least one of them didn't make it past spring training.

-----

Yes to the first part, no to the second. They won't eat Marquis' contract that quickly and neither guy has any trade value, certainly not in the spring.

But if either Maya or Detwiler (or both) start pitching well and if Wang actually comes back, I wouldn't be surprised to see Livan go.

Posted by: baltova1 | February 11, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm certainly not going to light my hair on fire about anything Elijah Dukes has to say...on TV or otherwise. If he has specific allegations to make, I'm sure someone will investigate and see if there's anything to them. Much more likely to be a lot of sour grapes and vague generalities on his part, would be my guess.

As for Livo and Marquis, I'm not sure that both of them are untradable. Depending on how the spring goes, one of them could be included as part of a package deal. Of course, Marquis could also be terrible during the spring and land back on the DL before the season starts.

Posted by: js_edit | February 11, 2011 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Wait a sec, swanni. That article you linked to said that Dukes made those allegations about drug use last year...so, guess it's not really news.

Posted by: js_edit | February 11, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo thinks it's news; will The Post?


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Elijah-Dukes-starts-rap-career-says-he-smoked-p?urn=mlb-320285

Posted by: swanni | February 11, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@Dargregmag: On the Baseball Weekly's top 100 to watch, the Nationals had three players (Espinosa, Ramos, Harper). IIRC the O's had two players on that list, but I'd have to go back and check to be sure. The Royals had several players on the list, and the Braves and the Yankees had about five each.

Posted by: JCCfromDC | February 11, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm rooting for Wang.

Posted by: Hoops44 | February 11, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I like Wang.

Posted by: destewar | February 12, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Post a Comment

We encourage users to analyze, comment on and even challenge washingtonpost.com's articles, blogs, reviews and multimedia features.

User reviews and comments that include profanity or personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site. Additionally, entries that are unsigned or contain "signatures" by someone other than the actual author will be removed. Finally, we will take steps to block users who violate any of our posting standards, terms of use or privacy policies or any other policies governing this site. Please review the full rules governing commentaries and discussions.




characters remaining

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2011 The Washington Post Company