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Men's Basketball: Redeem Team Reclaims Gold

After some stressful moments, the United States accomplished its mission, finally putting away Spain, 118-107, to win the men's basketball gold medal. After finishing with bronze in Athens four years ago, the Americans returned to the top spot on the medal platform.

Here's the box score.

And here's the AP report ... highlights from that follow below:

Culminating a three-year mission to end years of embarrassment, the U.S. team survived a huge challenge from Spain, winning 118-107 in the gold-medal game Sunday.
Order was restored in international basketball.
"Much respect to Spain, but the U.S. is back on top again," LeBron James said at a press conference attended by the entire team.
But not by that much anymore.
After overwhelming everyone for seven games, the Americans led by only four points with under 2 1/2 minutes to play. Then they proved they could handle a close game that it seemed would never come in Beijing. ...
Dwyane Wade scored 27 points for the Americans, who found a much gamer Spanish team than the one they humiliated by 37 points earlier in the tournament. Kobe Bryant added 20 points.
In a game so devoid of defense that it felt more like an NBA All-Star game than one with a title at stake, the Americans had too much offense down the stretch. Bryant converted a clutch four-point play with 3:10 remaining, holding his finger to his lips to quiet the rowdy Spanish crowd behind the basket.
Wade added another 3-pointer that made it 111-104 with just over 2 minutes left, and only then could the Americans relax a little.
They began to celebrate during a break after some technical fouls on Spain with 26 seconds left, then partied at midcourt when it was over with "Born in the USA" blaring over the arena's speakers.
"We played with great character in one of the great games in international basketball history, I think," U.S. Coach Mike Krzyzewski said. ...
The U.S. started planning for this game after the Athens Games four years ago, the low point in its hoops history, following a sixth-place flop two years earlier in the world championships. Jerry Colangelo was given control of USA Basketball and constructed a national team program in 2006, requiring those who wanted to play to commit to three years.
He got Bryant and James quickly on board and landed almost everyone else he asked for, finding a group of NBA stars eager to give up their summer to get back what they felt belonged to their country.
And he needed all of them against a Spanish team that on this day would have likely beaten any other recent U.S. squad.
"Being a part of the '04 team, we really didn't get the opportunity to showcase our talent," said Wade, one of four holdovers from Athens. "We really wanted to come in and help lead this team."

By washingtonpost.com Sports Editor  |  August 24, 2008; 4:35 AM ET
 
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Comments

Congratulations. USA team doesn't need the help of refferees. But is good to know that it is there if necesary.

Posted by: JL Gon | August 24, 2008 4:37 AM | Report abuse

It was an excellent game. Congratulations to the USA Team for holding off a resilient Spanish squad!

Posted by: Michael | August 24, 2008 4:39 AM | Report abuse

¿Le habran dado a los arbitros la medalla de oro tambien?. No han ganado limpiamente porque spain es el vigente campeon del mundo y USA necesitaba ayuda de los arbitros.
Enhorabuena a Spain por haber jugado limpiamente y demostrar a todo el mundo como se compite en unos juegos olimpicos.

Posted by: MARIO CUEVAS | August 24, 2008 4:41 AM | Report abuse

Great spain!!!!!

Posted by: ave | August 24, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

USA and the refferees win to a wonderful Spanish team

Posted by: Albert | August 24, 2008 4:43 AM | Report abuse

lebron james yo

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 4:47 AM | Report abuse

It´s a shame to win the match against these weak team only by 11 points.USA is ashamed of the US national team.

Posted by: norton | August 24, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Great game from start till finish. A lot of fouls from both teams, yet it just made the game that much more exciting. Who do you think MVP is going to be?

Posted by: Dominic M. | August 24, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Other stolen medal's.
The referees have helped to USA, they don't sayed "steeps".
Would they give a medal to referees?.
The referees stoled a medal to Serbia in swimming to help to Phelps ( the 7th medal).
It is normal in China.
Thanks Spain for a clean game, you're the olimpic spirit.

Posted by: MARIO CUEVAS | August 24, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

These Olympic Games will be remembered as those where referees got the gold medal in basketball too. I'm pretty sure things will change after this tournament.

Posted by: White | August 24, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

Some questionable calls going both ways. In the end there's no way you can put the outcome on the refs. No one definitive, game changing bad call.
Spain definitely has skill and even more heart. Thank you for a fantastic game, Spain! Congrats U.S.A.!

Posted by: Abraham | August 24, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

Felicito a USA, son los mejores, y se merecen el oro. Pero España no merecía ser tratada tan mal por los árbitros. El más ligero roce de un jugador español, era falta, mientras que manotazos, empujones, fruto de la presión de USA, no eran consideradas como tal. FELICIDADES A USA, y FELICIDADES A ESPAÑA. Gran final.

Posted by: Manuel | August 24, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

amazing show, USA team + referees vs Spanish team, congratulations Kobe and Rudy, next season Portland vs LALakers

Posted by: yolo flipo | August 24, 2008 4:53 AM | Report abuse

Las diferencias entre la NBA y el basket europeo son cada vez más pequeñas. Algún día un equipo europeo ganará al mejor basket americano sin ningún problema.

Posted by: Isidro | August 24, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Congratulation. I thought US would win Spain a lot.
I had never thought and seen such a fantastic game!

Posted by: Aaron H | August 24, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing to see how a country of just 44 million inhabitants can oppose such a 'resilient' squad against all powerful USA. Refferees permiting, next time the result might be different. Congratulations USA...but take care.

Posted by: Josep Maria | August 24, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

Congrats on USA's medal. I'm sure you would have also won with no help from the refrees. See you in the World Cup.

Posted by: Madrid_rules | August 24, 2008 4:59 AM | Report abuse

Why any US newspapers say that the last technichal came after a clear steps from Chris Paul...

Maybe because they did it 20 times during the match and the refs didn't do anything.

This is FIBA rules yanks, if you play with NBA rules, please put your 3-points line at 7 meters.

However, it was a great final, and your players demonstrated why they are individually the best in the world.

Posted by: Al3jo | August 24, 2008 4:59 AM | Report abuse

Enhorabuena a USA por ganar de 11 puntos con dos técnicas en los minutos finales y a los arbitros por no pitar ni unos pasos.

Posted by: Rudy | August 24, 2008 4:59 AM | Report abuse

Great game, but the US team doesn't need the referee's help to win.

The International Olympic Committee should think over whether to accept Europe's norms or NBA's (and adequately train its referees) or simply have a double basketball competition.

Congrats both teams!

Posted by: Jordi P. Spain | August 24, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

I hated the way the game was officiated from the start of the game. Should have let em play. Any one who's ever played the game knows its tough to get a rhythm in a game such as this. That being said bad calls by refs both ways (if I were a conspiracy theorist seemed like they were intentionally, trying to slow the game down to keep it close) All in all good game!

Posted by: S | August 24, 2008 5:01 AM | Report abuse

Some of you people must have been watching a completely different game than the one I saw... Fernandez was travelling all game, the Gasol brothers were setting moving picks all over the floor, and LeBron was getting called for clean blocks. The United States did not play its best, but it was enough against a Spanish team that clearly did more preparation based off of last game's results. Congrats.

Posted by: Chris | August 24, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

The referees in no way helped the US team win. It was a great performance by both teams. The refs seemed to call a lot more in this game than all the previous games, but it seemed fair.

Posted by: jb | August 24, 2008 5:03 AM | Report abuse

Good job, USA vs. Spain + sore losers blaming it on the referees. It's a shame Spain's efforts are being tarnished by these poor sports.

Posted by: Esteban | August 24, 2008 5:04 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations US team! such a great show. But remember FIBA rules: can't walk before bouncing the ball. This is a very elementary rule to keep in mind. Anyway... Great Spain! get ready to enjoy Rudy and Ricky in a few years.

Posted by: catalan | August 24, 2008 5:07 AM | Report abuse

"Casi, casi..." Great Spain, referees...! Fantastic game. Thanks two teams

Posted by: max. spain | August 24, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations for Spain!! Great work!!

Posted by: James | August 24, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Congrats International Basketball! U.S.A. won this one, but it's not just an American sport anymore. Spain proved that they can go toe to toe with NBA allstars. U.S.A. put egos aside and played their hearts out as well. And congrats to Argentina! Can't wait til the next Olympics.

Posted by: Abraham | August 24, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

Good game. Refs made questionable calls on both sides, so I think it evened out. I don't think USA played their best game. There were a number of times when they left one of the Spain players alone outside and didn't even challenge their shot. If this was the NBA finals, every shot would have been challenged. The US team played a good game but could have played a great game. As I read Tayshawn's lips to the coach at the end of the game, I think he said something like, we almost didn't get this one, and coach K said, I know.

Posted by: 1rap | August 24, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

To those that thought the ref's were biased, what teams two stars were off the court and sitting with 2 fouls each after only 5 minutes played? That would be the U.S. with Kobe and Lebron both getting phantom calls on them. Kobe also had that call with about 3 minutes left when all he was doing was moving along with his man.

Refs were equally bad for BOTH sides, Spain fought hard, give them credit but the better team won despite the bad refs!

GO USA!!!

Posted by: Mike in L.A. | August 24, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

I agree that US team would not need the help of refs to beat any team in most occasions, but they got it scandalously today, especially in those moments when it was needed. A coincidence of ref`s mistakes and moments of need ?, are the people of the US basket industry ready to allow one more big and dramatic shame ?
My congratulations to all players from both teams, they showed a great sports spirit; my hate to all those, if they exist, that are behind and move the strings and contaminate the sports essence with monetary interests.......

Posted by: Miguel | August 24, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm not compleaning about the refs decisions. USA team plays with other rules in the olympics, the steps rule is different than in the NBA, but in international competition they play with FIBA rules.

So they only claim for 1 out of 20 steps in the match, and that's the reason why spaniards complain against the refs.

If there rules, ALL of us have to accept it 100%. SO or we change the rules to NBA, or USA players learn how to play with FIBA rules.

Posted by: Al3jo | August 24, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

gracias SPAIN,

Posted by: Jose Borrego Gonzalez | August 24, 2008 5:22 AM | Report abuse

refs made questionable calls on both sides. need to stop being sore losers and blaming it on the refs. both teams played a good game but the better team won.

Posted by: pb | August 24, 2008 5:27 AM | Report abuse

Again, contratulations to both teams! A great match, inspite of the referees!!!

But this is nothing compared to the Court of Arbitration for Sport decision allowing Denamrk to win the gold medal, breaking all the existing competition rules!!! Hurray for the International Olympic Commettee!!!

As we say in good-ole Spanish, "¡Vivir para ver!"

Posted by: Jordi P -- Spain | August 24, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Usa dont need the referee´s gifts to win this game. All the time doing steeps, falgrant fouls, etc. This is FIba basket. But the real shame is that an european coaches, who works with FIba rules all the years, dont see anything with the USa Team. Dream Team? jajajajj, oh you kidding man. Great Spain, diamond medal¡¡

Posted by: Darío Montá | August 24, 2008 5:29 AM | Report abuse

reconocer que EEUU son los mejores pero reconocer tambien que ESPAÑA hubiese tenido al menos 10 posesiones mas si los arbitros europeos(parecian nba)hubiesen pitado los diezmil pasos que dan los all stars...que era final NBA o final FIBA?impresionente España,rudy fenomenal....gran final

Posted by: javito borromeo | August 24, 2008 5:30 AM | Report abuse

The refs hurt the USA -- wouldn't allow us to play aggressive. Spain is soft, and they got their arses kicked, fair and square.

Posted by: Dee | August 24, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

@PB. Did you understood my comment? DO you know the differences between FIBA rules and NBA rules?.

By the way, can someone explain me why the NBA team is the only olimpyc team that don't have to do dopping controls?

Posted by: Al3jo | August 24, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

This must have been very close to the greatest basketball olympic final ever. Congrats to both teams!

However, as for the refs, I definitely feel that the Spanish squad has much more to complaint about than the US team. You american guys will probably find it difficult to see it as many of the bad calls we spaniards talk about are not bad calls in the NBA games you're accostumed to.

Posted by: Mastropiero | August 24, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

congratulations SPAIN, nos han robado el partido, USA como siempre jugando sucio, estos americanos se creeran grandes y todo, siempre favorecidos en todos los aspectos. USA is a country without name, this is very sad. Milky arrogant but without name,jajajjajaja.

Posted by: KOBY | August 24, 2008 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Whilst i knew spain were a handful, i didnt think that the likes of rudy fernandez and juan carlos navarro were gonna light it up. And that Rubio kid can flat out play. Jason Kidd is one of the best defenders at point guard in the world and he couldnt keep in front of the 17-yr-old. That being said, congrats to the redeem team, they deserve the gold. And i think Manu deserves the mvp. Either him or Dwyane Wade.

Posted by: Kenny | August 24, 2008 5:43 AM | Report abuse

Best macht I,ve ever seen. Just aweson!!! The States always will be the States, and this version is more like the Dream Team of Bacelona 92.

Spain is year by year getting much better, thanks probaly to men like Gasol or Garbajosa etc that plays for the NBA...so, In my opinion you USA has NBA España has ÑBA hehehe.

Congrats Americans!!!

Regards from Spain

Posted by: Jorge | August 24, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

USA doesn´t have the supremacy anymore. As everybody can see, the US had to be 110% to win the Spaniard, moreover the refs' help.

It is awesome how each quick attack from the americans started with a travelling foul. Howard was doing 3 secs in the key foul almost every attack.

Remember US have to play with FIBA rules, not NBA rules, and the refs acted with those different rules for each team.

So PLEASE, NBA RULES or FIBA RULES, but the same for all teams.

Anyway GREAT GAME and congrats to the US.

Posted by: from California | August 24, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

sl

Posted by: santi | August 24, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

El mejor partido de baloncesto de la historia de los juegos olímpicos.

Posted by: Morlanes | August 24, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

mario cueva, tu maldita madre maldito espanol de mierda, ya se te olvida que eeuu le metio 30 puntos en la fase inicial.. espanolito de mierda, hijo de la gran puta perro de mierda.

Posted by: tu maldita madre | August 24, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain me why the NBA team is the only olimpyc team that doesn't have to do dopping controls?

Posted by: Canada kid | August 24, 2008 5:54 AM | Report abuse

Como coño se dice PASOS,en inglés?
Que no me vendan la moto con la puta NBA,hoy si no es por los arbitros les ganamos el ORO.Anda y que os folle un pez espada.Por cierto no me sale de los cojones comentarlo en inglés porque estos petates no hacen ningún esfuerzo por aprender español,España!!! Campeones!!

Posted by: Rudy | August 24, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

One of the referees was Lithuanian and probably still bitter about his country's elimination by Spain, so he had to get his bitterness off his chest by screwing Spain. Anyway congratuations US Team, but please, next time round without any help from the referees.

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2008 5:58 AM | Report abuse

One of the referees was Lithuanian and probably still bitter about his country's elimination by Spain, so he had to get his bitterness off his chest by screwing Spain. Anyway congratuations US Team, but please, next time round without any help from the referees.

Posted by: Peter | August 24, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations Spain and USA. From my point of view these are the news that journalist have to coment, and not stupid things that nobody are interested in, like the slit- eyed gestures of the spanish team.
You americans will enjoy with Ruddy!!!

Posted by: A. Jimenez | August 24, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Para "tu maldita madre": te refieres a la tuya,pero se dice puta!! Cómprate un teclado en condiciones que ESPAÑOL SE ESCRIBE CON Ñ DE COÑO!! PARA PDER PONER EL COÑO DE TU MADRE!!. Y te recuerdo que la vigente campeona del mundo es España,que los EE.UU palmaron con Grecia.Vamos que si pasaran los antidoping os quitaban la medalla,PAYASO!!

Posted by: Rudy | August 24, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

Spain lost to the best team and it is high time that the spaniards accept that and move on. Spain won previously matches thanks to poor refereeing and I understand that whenever they loose with a close margin,they will always think "maybe the ref could have ...?"

Posted by: East-London | August 24, 2008 6:01 AM | Report abuse

great game from start to finish. redeem team handled their business!

Posted by: big mike | August 24, 2008 6:03 AM | Report abuse

I am going to comment only 2 points from the game:

- TRAVELLING

- 3 SECs IN THE KEY

Regards

Posted by: Only 2 things... | August 24, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

USA is a great team, but some of them have to return to primary school, (Carmelo, when an old man gives his hand to you, you must shake it), and learn that in the international basket you can´t step twice in the first running.
Congratulations to the referees.
And to Kobe Bryant. He is a gentleman in a no much humble team, that have to realize they only won by the help of corrupt referees.

Posted by: mario | August 24, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the winners. I am not sure if the refs were decisive in the final score, but I am sure that u.s.a players violate the rule before bouncing the ball...everytime.

We really enjoyed the game and it has been fantastic. The u.s.a demostrated they know how to play the final minutes. I hope Spain will learn the lesson and they will keep improving. We are sooo proud of you. Gracias.

Posted by: Miguel | August 24, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, some of the fans of Spain's baseketball team are bringing shame on a team which played with dignity and sportsmanship in contrast to the comments of some of those same fans.

Don't blame the result on the officials. That is bush-league.

Posted by: Rock | August 24, 2008 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations USA, but Spain was better in all, clean play, best manners.

Silver Gold by Spain

Regards

Posted by: xavier Bcn | August 24, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

this gold is a national humillation. congratulations spain.

Posted by: Mike Brown | August 24, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

They only won by the help of referees. the stolen-team is a Turpitude in a national sport.

Posted by: P.Rogers | August 24, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

The ref' charged USA tick for tack calls during the early play of this game,
Kobe and Lebron w/ two fouls in less than 3 minutes?? We see Carmelo pushed to the floor, Wade knocked down on drives, Wade knocked down when shooting, Bosh knocked down during off the ball play, alot of moving screens by Spain and what you get-NO CALLS? Spain flopped, held, pushed, grabbed shoved & again NO-CALLS, but as soon as we touched them, whistle!! There we times when we didn't touch them but we were called (I guess close athletic defence is a foul. Not including the bad call against d will on a charge, what did he charge w/ his shooting arm? And so to hear comments that the ref saved USA is highly questionable. I believe the refs called the game badly on both sides but its clear that they favored Spains team. Because a no call is just as bad as a bad call, and there were no calls all game long! Truth is the ref's saved Spain, If the ref's had called the tick for tack against Spain they would have been in real foul trouble late in the 3rd quarter, so its clearl the refs favored Spain by allowing Spain to play rough & tough but calling USA on tick for tack fouls. All in all Wade rescued us by playing passionate off the bench and anybody watching that game knows full well, had we not hit timely 3's, the end would had been up for grabs. This game was called and played as close to perfection for Spain as its gonna get, and they still lose, I question, answer me please, how does a team beat you by 37 and then you lose only by 11, (keep USA from playing physical to reduce turnovers which is our game & no calls when the other team is fouling)offensive- moving screens, off the ball play- pushing, shoving, grabbing holding and knocking us down. def- fouling every time we shoot, sometimes they called and other times when knocked to ground they didn't. Again all in all,God used Wade and timely three's to help USa win!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: rjohnson2842 | August 24, 2008 6:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm so over the girlish FIBA rules.
The shorter court, shorter 3 point line, phantom fouls and shorter game it is pathetic. Most of the teams around the world and in Europe are good enough to play NBA rules. In fact most countries that play basketball, have players in the NBA and they are top player's at that!
It's time for the European League to step-up to the big time and start playing how the best of the best really play.
Please forgive me if I sound like a chauvinist, I'm just tired of the FIBA League playing like bunch of GIRLS!

Posted by: iesurf | August 24, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Mamma mia how the referees can help USA so bad??? I think this JJOO will be the more dirty in history,and Kobe Bryant makin "silence" to the people watching the match, horrible! USA withou the help of referees dont win this match! Strepittoso

Posted by: Corleone | August 24, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

@Iesurf. For sure FIBa should do something, but having 2 kind of different rules is bad dor the game. ALthough I don't think you play better basketball nowadays, more phisycal, of course, more spectacular, yes, but better...

@rjohnson2842. We are not in the NBA man, Olympics are played under FIBA rules. And you cannot step twice before bouncing the first time!!!!!!

And I will like to ask why NBA players (not american, all) don't have to pass dopping controls like the rest. And why the list of ilegal sustances for the NBA is half than for the ICO.

Posted by: Al3jo | August 24, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Very good game, congrats for both teams. Spain did a superb game, but US also. I don't think the referees have changed the result of the match, although they could have done it a bit better. USA team needed the best of their top stars to beat spanish team, currently world champion. I think all basketball fans have enjoyed such a game. It's good for this sport that the difference there used to be between NBA players and FIBA players has vanished.

Posted by: Oscar -Barcelona - Spain | August 24, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Los mejores jugadores del mundo, les permiten defender al límite, les permiten pasos de salida, les permiten no hacer control anti dopaje y sólo han ganado de 11 a SPAIN? Ok. Pues felicidades al campeón y sobre todo a los españoles.

Posted by: Trilu | August 24, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

wade help the usa team but the referees too.

Posted by: mario follayankis | August 24, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

After this game, never say at the end of NBA finals "World Champions", just say "NBA champions". USA was defeated by Argentina, Greece or Spain is the past years, if you want to be World Champions (Spain still), win the competition. NBA is not the world, is just the North American competition.
Up Spain!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:36 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations USA, from a spanish, and congratulations too for my national team for the good job that they have done. Good show

(Excuse my english i'm learner ;)

Posted by: Edu | August 24, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

yes; referees have changed the result of the match. The empire were going a lot of time without wining the gold. It is a national sport

Posted by: P.Rogers | August 24, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Congrats USA! Felicidades España!! What a show! Carmelo, grow up! Magnífico Rudy y Juan Carlos. The greatest basketball game in years...
Controles antidopaje para los NBA también, no es justo!!
Dopping controls for everybody!!!
Regards from Spain

Posted by: miguel | August 24, 2008 6:39 AM | Report abuse

yes, dopping controls, for everybody Nba´players

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

no pasan control anitdoping
no les pitan pasos de salida
cada dia tienen menos calidad solo musculatura

Posted by: amper | August 24, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Undoubtedly it has been the best teamof USA since Barcelona. In addition they are the best players of the world, but it has not been sufficient to be the best team of the world, which undoubtedly is Spain. If you do not think this way it is because you have never felt the smallest. If always you want to see from above up you lose the perspective of those who are on you. Spain is still the champion of the world. To lose this way it is to win. Congratulations to all.

Posted by: Xavier | August 24, 2008 6:46 AM | Report abuse

US is the best team, but they don´t need the refs help. There are some rules that are different in FIBA basketball, and today they have been allowed to play with NBA rules. Travelling and 3 secs have been constantly allowed by the referees. The gap is shorter each time, and there will be a time when the US should need to use Garnett, Pierce, Duncan and co. to win the european teams.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Terribly game, for the Olympic spirit. Where are the rules?

Posted by: malcom | August 24, 2008 6:48 AM | Report abuse

I agree we are not in the NBA, cause if we were, Spain probably would have been beaten much like the 1st outing. And to respond, we never took two steps before dribbling- maybe one but not two.... And I believe you answered your next question in your previous statement and 2nd question, NBA players (to my learning don't have to pass doping) because their (USA)list is shorter, meaning it would be unfair to ask us or allow us to play in the Olympics, and then say oh by the way we don't allow x,y,z,a,b, c substances and since we know that your (NBA) rules allow those: we are gonna randomly test you anyway, even though we know your players are allowed to use x,y,z substances. Now, I say that w/ the understanding that your statement is correct?, secondly I agree that the rules should be the same for everyone, including a merging of the two rules: FIBA and NBA!!

Posted by: rjohnson2842 | August 24, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Lastimous

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 6:51 AM | Report abuse

AL3jo please read above

Posted by: rjohnson2842 | August 24, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Really good show. Congratulation to both teams. The only dark point was the referees with the steps of the american players. USA don`t need their help to win in this tournament. Thanks for the show

Posted by: Tommy-Denmark | August 24, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

al3jo

Posted by: rjohnson2842 | August 24, 2008 6:53 AM | Report abuse

Before the doubt they were of benefit to Usa.the rules should be the same for everyone, but not today

Posted by: Jordan | August 24, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Spain could have win if the referees would have applied the FIBA rules, which are the current rules in the Olympic Tournament.
The problem with the referees was not only in the final. Against Argentina, there were many remarkable actions of the referees in favour of USA.
James, Bryant, Anthony and Howard don't need this additional helps. The question is absolutely economic, USA had to win the championship, because marketing is a big issue for the Olympic Commitee.
Great for the current World Champion, which is Spain, and not USA.
Why USA blame in atheltics against Usain Bolt? The US runners in the last Olympic Games were not a example of "clean" sportsmen. Even now, it's hard to believe that supremacy in the 400 meters.
Fair competitions, please.

Posted by: Jordi | August 24, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Viva España, Raul, Riky, Alex. Felipe, Navarro, Berni, Carlos Jimenez, Calderon, Rudy, Garvy y los Gasoles, we are the gold. Every wolrd see this game. not only in usa

Posted by: los yankis comen nabos | August 24, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

profanity the honor code

Posted by: comen nabos y pollas | August 24, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Great Spain!!! Referees helped USA too much...

Posted by: xxx | August 24, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

This game showed the best team is the Spanish team. The USA needed the help of referees to stay in the match (personal fouls, "steps" as spaniards say). I wonder what game we would have seen with Garbajosa or Calderon (injured) and others playing their best. The technical faul by the end of the game shows the Spanish disagreement with the criteria of referees during the whole game (by the way they were from Europe and Argenina... incredible !)
CONGRATULATIONS SPAIN.

Posted by: TOM | August 24, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

To Mr.rjohnson2842. Dear sir, allways the people fron USA think they are the center of the world and the rest of this planet are here to admire you. The FIBA rules are used by all the countries excepts USA. Anyone who often see basket could see that the USA players makes steps during the mach and the referees only punished two or tree times. In other hand, How can you say that spain made a hard play when all your players had the double weight than the spanish. I don`t think the spanish players could move of his position to any american players.
And the answer to your question. I thin Spain din`t need to make a great efford in the first game to win USA because they know they can be in the final and once there they could show the real weapons of this country, as at last the showed to us.
Congratulations spain, bellisima partita.
best regards fron italy

Posted by: Gian Carlo- Napoli -Italy | August 24, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Great!!!! Congratulations!! Come on Spain!!!!

Posted by: por eso estan tan gordos | August 24, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

to rjohnson2842 you never see a game of basket.

Posted by: pal comenabos | August 24, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

we could see that the FIBA rules don`t be aply to the USA team. This is a mixture of two different rules, FIBA for the spaniard and NBA for USA team. it`s no fair.
Good job spanish team. and really was a very good mach.

Posted by: Zidane- France | August 24, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

I think it's a pitty for the USA winning this medal this way. Sure they don't need the refs help, they are probably best team in the world nowadays, but that makes winning the match with all that help from the refs even more disgusting.
And it's not an opinion, it's a fact. The rules are the rules and should be equal for every team. And there's a small thing called "steeps" that the refs forgot today.
A shame for fair play.
Congrats anyway. See you on a fair match next time. Spanish basket rules.

Posted by: Maninga | August 24, 2008 7:16 AM | Report abuse

hey this bastards need back to school for learn good manners:

and learn too:

"Traveling"

"3 seconds in the key"
the usa players living in the key

Posted by: bryant suck my dick | August 24, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Aun con todas las irregularidades comentadas, SPAIN solo ha perdido por 11 puntos... creo que si en momentos puntuales hubieramos estado más atentos (en los finales de cada cuarto) les habriamos ganado y sin escusas... FORZA SPAIN!!!

Posted by: jon | August 24, 2008 7:22 AM | Report abuse

You must be the first ones, since you spend so much money in it, but you are only in pride. Not only it is enough to be the best, it it is necessary to seem the best, and today you have not seemed to be, neither in 100 m nor in the medal given to Phelp, that he does not need it. For sample have a look on medal table in an american newspaper. In this newspaper it is USA, in the rest of the world its is China, who has beat USA.

Posted by: Carlos, Buenos Aires | August 24, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Do all Spanish whine this much?

Posted by: Terry | August 24, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Do all americans win this way?

Posted by: Maninga | August 24, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

To Terry: Are you sure that you know where is Spain?. Is it in South America perhaps? So how do you want to know something about them?

Posted by: Felipe, Ciudad de Mexico | August 24, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

I am terribly happy with my country´s play. It is a pity the darkness because of the referee, Who knows what could happen with a better couple of referees???. Congratulation USA, you have shown why you are the best, but now you have realized that some countries will soon be in chance of winning you.

Posted by: Ernesto | August 24, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

USA won. But it does not mean they are "the top of basketball" because World Champions are SPANISH!!!!!!!

Not only states know how to play basketball, please, less ego

Posted by: nas | August 24, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the medal count.
Now we only count gold medals because silver and bronze medals do not affect the standings. That must mean silver and bronze are worthless.
You cannot have it both ways, either silver & bronze count against the standings or not.

Posted by: Mike | August 24, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I love the American teams,in the beijing2008 olimpic.

You are the best!

Posted by: Zhou honglin CHINA | August 24, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Camino

Posted by: JoseArcadio | August 24, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

why dont you accept it USA win,,,, dont blame the referees better luck next olympic..both teams played well...congrats

Posted by: ecks | August 24, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Rubio the 1 in the NBA draft 2010.

Congratulations to USA from Spain!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Ricky Rubio the 1 in the NBA draft 2010.

Congratulations to USA from Spain!!

Posted by: spain | August 24, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Great game... shame to the referees... USA doesn't need help to win, but it is welcome...

Posted by: Joe | August 24, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Como se dice "whining" en español?

Please note this USA team has now beaten Spain twice in this Olympics. Did the refs lose that game for you too? Our players had to really fight hard to win, but win they did. Props to the Spanish team for being reigning world champions. Basketball is a better sport for having them, and all the rest of the world's teams, as real competition for the Americans. Anybody can win.

Posted by: pardon | August 24, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

To Mike:
Sure silver and bronze are worth, just playing the olimpics means you are almost a god. But always the winner is the one that has more gold medals, and China has 51 and the States has 36. That's how it's put in every list outside the USA, and don't be paranoid, not every country outside your bordes hates you. Phelps it's a living legend in every place in the world and you have and incredible medal list.
It's just amazing how hard it's for you to recognize that this time you have been second, wich is still something incredible and something to be more than proud.

Posted by: Maninga | August 24, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to USA Basketball team.
There are no excuses. They win because they play another game with other rules.
Poor yanks. In TEAM SPORTS with WORLD RULES (not USA rules) you are nothing. Learn about it.
In last decade:

HANDBALL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

WATERPOLO WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

BASKETBALL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

FOOTBAL 5 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

VOLEYBALL EURO CHAMPIONSHIP.

FOOTBAL EURO CHAMPIONSHIP.

F1 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

WIMBLEDON AND (5) ROLAND GARROS
CHAMPIONSHIP.

TOUR OF FRANCE (2006, 2007, 2008) AND GIRO (2008).

125, 250 cc WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.
...

What about you?

OLE SPAIN!

Posted by: xit | August 24, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations Spanish basketball team. Incredible match.

Posted by: kainxs | August 24, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

And by the way, you did beat the Spanish team on the previous match. No one whinned about that one because it was a fair match. You played better, and you won that time. And I agree with your team beeing better than the spanish, in fact better than anyone in the world, but this match was not fair. Anyway, congrats again.

Posted by: Maninga | August 24, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"the top of basketball" because World Champions Were the SPANISH!!!!!

News flash pin-heads. Not any more becuase you just got beat down tonight by the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!!! 2nd place is the 1st place losers!!!

Posted by: Its time to Step Up | August 24, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

En USA no saben lo que son los PASOS!!!

Posted by: Pablo | August 24, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

To Maninga, The USA will always use the the total medal count system. We do not discount silver and bronze medals like other countries. If you choose to just count gold medals that's fine. You have your way and we have ours but do not insult the USA because you have pen!s envy, they have operations for countries like yours it's called the EU.

Posted by: Mike | August 24, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Posting smack in Spanish paints one as a bit cowardly, don't you think? This is an American website you've chosen, en Ingles por favor. As for the population argument, I offer the following stats:

Spain, population 40.5 million, score 91
Lithuania,population, 3.6 million, score 86

Posted by: Jane | August 24, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Mike, read my comment again and tell me where do I insult the States (unlike yours, talking about operation nonsenses, wich tell us a lot from you). The most offensive thing I say is that you are second, wich I hardly find offensive in a world competition. And by the way, the Olimpics is a world Championship, with worldwide rules, not USA rules, and the winner is the one with more golden medals. You want to count all of them, great for you, but know what the rest of the world thinks. If you felt insulted by my previous comment, you've my apologies, it wasn't my intention.

Posted by: Maninga | August 24, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

All those travellings, fouls, 3 seconds not whistled... Spain can be proud but the US certainly can not of accomplidhing a "redemption" this way. Amazing Spain. To the journalist..."loosing composture" is asking for a obvius travelling by Chris Paul and getting 2 technical fouls for it, not a flagrant one. The refs are Euroleague ones, no idea why helping the US... anyway, at last one decent US team since the 92 one...but those didnt need the refs to win.

Posted by: Diego | August 24, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry for my bad English and Congratulations USA,I´m happy with my team but yours is better nowadays but the distance is shorter than in the past. I don´t want to talk about referees or something like all that kind of stupid things like What would it have happened if...?
I´m very angry with your journalists: How can you explain they told us than Chinese Crowd booed Spanish team when Spain play against China and it could be by the famous photo and now in some American newspapers they tell us the Chinese Crowd was with Spain in this game (You can see Kobe Bryant ordering the crowdto be quiet) Do American journalists think Chinese people are idiots or do they think we are? i don´t underatand anything... Good people from America, beware, misinformation rules your country and mine too

Posted by: josean767 | August 24, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations USA, but i,m proud of my team and my country, Spain. The next time...

Posted by: Santi Spain | August 24, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Maninga:
I see your point, good luck next year.

Nas:
You're still a pin-head.

Diego:
I don't agree, we have the Gold and nobody else dose. We did redeem ourselves.

josean767:
You came off and seem like an idiot.

Posted by: Mike USA | August 24, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Cmon spain is simply the best. USA team win because they have the support of referees. People is not silly.ARRIBA ESPAÑA

Posted by: mrberga | August 24, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

To Mike USA, yes you have it but the way you did it in the final... I wouldn't be that proud. It would have been better if they whistled the travellings and foulds, wouldnt it? no excuses, no discussions just more baskets and fair play. Congratulations though, great championship.

Posted by: Diego | August 24, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

spain the besth, manma mia what team. a country of 44 milions people against a country of 300 milions people. VIVA ESPAÑA
Y OLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEÉ.

Posted by: diego | August 24, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Que orgullo de jugadores, los hemos puesto contra las cuerdas, gracias por este partido. PUXA ESPAÑA Y PUXA SPORTING.

Posted by: Sergio | August 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Di que si, con güevos a por ellos y PUXA ASTURIES.

Posted by: PATRICIA | August 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

QUEEN JAMES is still "QUEEN laBRONZE" in the olympic circles for her bronze medal in the 2004 olympics.

Posted by: ron | August 24, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

gosh, spanish fans, keep making excuses. europeans always whine about the refs. so pathetic. your racist team was not good enough. the rules used by FIBA are crap. USA invented the game, use our rules. but, we can still beat the world using your rules. haha. you guys are jealous. and your players are UGLY.

Posted by: USA! | August 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

spanish people. learn to spell before you post on the washington postht.

Posted by: spain sucks | August 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Someone let these posters know that Team USA was drug tested during these Olympics. I'll avoid the referees comments totally. Any other excuses? Both teams played really well - though not defensively - they competed at the highest level. I'm very familiar with the FIBA traveling rule as I am a US player that played professionally in Europe. FIBA is stricter with this. But here's the point. Each game it's the player's responsibility to learn how referees are calling a game and change your game accordingly. That's why coaches just ask for consistency. If referees are consistent with how they call something, players are good enough to adjust. This was a fantastic game. Spain is indeed second best in the world. Make no mistake, under any rules, the USA beats Spain 8 out of 10 times.

Posted by: clsim1 | August 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Don't cry for me Argentina, and now Spain should not talk about preferential treatment from referees given what happened in Soccer(Futbol). You all know where the real basketballers come from. See you in London ;)

Posted by: Sour Apples | August 24, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

oh, and we don't care about SOCCER. you guys are so dumb.

Posted by: haha | August 24, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

All Spain fans complaining about the refs, please stop you are embarrassing yourselves. The refs made numerous questionable calls against the USA, especially Kobe and LeBron in the 1st quarter which put them quickly on the bench. This continued throughout the game.

Then again, maybe throwing a temper tanturm when things aren't going your way runs in the water over there. Just like your basketball team self-destructed, complained, whined and got called for technicals when Team USA pulled away, now you come here to complain about the refs. Face it....the better team won. If Team USA played Spain 10 times, Team USA would win all 10 games. You know it and we know it (and even your team knows it).

Sorry Spain, better luck in 2012. Oh, and what time does the Sergio Garcia final round collapse start? Is it 2:00 EST or 3:00?

Posted by: FlyPelican | August 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm proud that the USA offers foriegn athletes the opportunity to train here at the highest levels and go on to win olympic medals for their countries.

Posted by: John | August 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Surprise, surprise . . . the total value of the US basketball team is greater than the GDP of some small countries. Yes, have the best Olympic basketball team that money can buy.

Posted by: rplat | August 24, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Get rid of basketball from the Olympics. It's a huge yawn from beginning to end

Posted by: Robert | August 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

haha: oh, and we don't care about SOCCER. you guys are so dumb.

No, sir, you are the dumb one. Football/futbol/calcio/soccer IS the world's sport. And a bunch of folks stateside do care, only the MSM continues to give the sport second rate coverage over here.

If it weren't for some choking in the group stage, we might be talking a silver or bronze for the mens "football" team. The women valiantly held off Brasil for gold.

So, let's see...the USA medaled in just about every individual and team sport. Our WC "football" squad in 2010 may be formidable as well. Why shouldn't America strive to be the best? And, yeah, I DO care...

Posted by: wxdancer | August 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Spain may of played a good game but they disgraced themselves with their discriminatory photo before the game. There are no excuses for such behavior, especially from a team some call world champions. When you are in the public eye one has avoid all compromising situations.

Posted by: annoyed | August 24, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

What a beatiful ending of the Beijing Game!

Posted by: Honglin Zhou CHINA | August 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Si señor el tipo de unos parrafos tiene toda la razon EE.UU tal vez descubrio el basket y claro nosotros nos tenemos que callar la boca pero... y quien descubrio America? jaja

Posted by: Sergio | August 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

美国队的表现很棒!

Posted by: 虹霖 周 | August 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

USA Fans: Stand up the values you claim your country represents, when your team wins, praise the loser and be humble

Spain Fans: stop complaining like a 5 year old. Celebrate a silver medal that tastes like gold.

Everybody: Let's all thank the players on both sides for offering us the best internationsl basketball game ever. Long live this amaing sport.

Posted by: miguel | August 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations! I hope that the USA team continue to win in 2012 in london

Posted by: sb | August 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Panda de ladrones.

Posted by: Que os den | August 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

USA won the final with the help of the referees... NO WAY! Would it thus mean they went through the pool plays with a 7-0 (w-l) also with the help of the referees? NO WAY! US team was and is just the best. Other teams fans you may be deceived but don't be unfair. The New Drean Team is just the best team again with the most beautiful athletes.
P.S.: I'm from Belgium. :)

Posted by: Chris(telle) from Belgium | August 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

USA = blacks monkeys !!!

Spain deserved to win !!!

White Spain, white Europe! ! !

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

USA it is a country of African majority and it could not participate in the Olympic games

Posted by: Spaniard | August 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

USA it is a country of African majority and it could not participate in the Olympic games!!!

Posted by: Madridddd | August 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Two comments for all the whiners from Spain:

1) This game was close because no one (including the Redeem Team) thought it would be close. After all, Spain had just got whipped by almost 40 points in the previous game. It was a great mental ploy, but like the previous game, Spain still lost.

2) The refs called every touch on the Americans, yet Spain was allowed to FLATTEN the US players on drives to the basket. The refs almost gave Spain the game. Without the help of the refs, Spain would have lost by 30 points.

Posted by: derfo | August 24, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why are some on here writing in Spanish. This is the United States and English if the official language spoken and read. Most of us on hear to read and understand Spanish. If you want to write in Spanish to protest, google and find a Spanish newspaper in Spain to do so.

Posted by: English | August 24, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Why are some on here writing in Spanish. This is the United States and English if the official language spoken and read. Most of us on here to read and understand Spanish. If you want to write in Spanish to protest, google and find a Spanish newspaper in Spain to do so.

Posted by: Write In English | August 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Qué verguenza de arbitraje. Qué prepotentes algunos jugadores norteamericanos. Qué orgullo ser español.

Posted by: alberto | August 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

GAME 1: USA 119, SPAIN 82
# FOULS: USA 28, SPAIN 19

GAME 2: USA 118, SPAIN 107
# FOULS: USA 26, SPAIN 29 (3 FOULS IN FINAL 1:00)

Hmmm. Not a whole lot of ref conspiracy there, except maybe against the USA.

Posted by: derfo | August 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Why are some on here writing in Spanish? This is the United States and English is the official language spoken and read. Most of us on hear to read and understand Spanish. If you want to write in Spanish to protest, google and find a Spanish newspaper in Spain to do so.

Posted by: Write In English | August 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Why are some on here writing in Spanish? This is the United States and English is the official language spoken and read. Most of us on here don't read or understand Spanish. If you want to write in Spanish to protest, google and find a Spanish newspaper in Spain to do so.

Posted by: Write In English | August 24, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

A little translate for those that want to write in Spanish (sorry if clunky):

Dos comentarios para todos los "dolientes" de España:

1) Este juego se estrecha porque nadie (incluido el equipo Canjear) pensé que sería estrecha. Después de todo, España se acaba azotado por casi 40 puntos en el juego anterior. Se trata de una gran estratagema mental, pero al igual que el juego anterior, España sigue perdido.

2) El llamado refs cada contacto en los Estados Unidos, España aún no se le permitió a aplanar los EE.UU. jugadores en unidades a la cesta. El refs casi dio España el juego. Sin la ayuda de la refs, España habría perdido por 30 puntos.

Posted by: derfo | August 24, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Spain = Europe! ! ! Spain, the true champion! ! ! Americans black simians

Posted by: madrileño | August 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Escribimos como nos de la gana, os jodéis y aprendéis.

Posted by: que os den | August 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I think it has no sense this quarrel about the referees, they have not been so decisive. I'm very proud of my team, Spain, they have fought well and they have kept the spirit which made them the current FIBA World Champions but currently they have not the play level showed in this championship. We have done some errors when attacking and there were many three points shots failed. Taking about refeeres, I think that start travelling has not so great influence in the play, in many cases this violation (true or not) happens just at the center of the court so it is irrelevant on the game. I think USA has been (and it would be in many years) a better team, but, with games such as the one played today, we, the rest of the world, are a bit more close to USA national team.

Congratulations USA! Felicidades SPAIN! Nice game!

Posted by: jpek | August 24, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Why are some on here writing in Spanish?


Por que se nos pone en nuestros santos y reales cojones.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

In all a competive game. The big picture is basketball is played at the highest level across many countries. I like that.

Posted by: cods | August 24, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Hola Derfo, vives en tu propia realidad. Todos han visto como el equipo de USA ha hecho pasos, camino o como quieras llamarlo un monton de veces (ese equipo no sabe jugar con las reglas Fiba) y los arbitros solo han pitado un par de ellos, probablemente para quedar bien con quien les conviene. El equipo USA tiene ventaja fisica (tecnicamente son inferiores...), y aun asi a 2'30 del final Spain perdía solo de 2 puntos (con todas esas ayudas). Prepararos para un futuro de sufrimientos por que ya no hay diferencias entre vuestro baloncesto y el otras parte del mundo, especialmente en Spain.
Por cierto, sois campeones olimpicos, pero Spain todavía es campeona del mundo, no lo olvideis.

Posted by: Ricky | August 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to both Usa team and Spanish team.

Las diferencias entre ambos equipos han sido pequeñas y tiene un nombre Kobe Brian. Sino hubiera sido por los puntos del genial jugador Kobe Brian en el último cuarto.

España habría ganado.

Sincerely, with this team Usa beats Spain 8 out of 10 times. But, el susto que se han llevado hoy jugando los mejores jugadores de Usa frente a España hará que tengan que traer siempre los mejores jugadores a los juegos olimpicos.

Porque sino les puede volver a pasar como en las olimpiadas de 2004 donde sólo fueron bronce.

Thanks Usa,thanks Spain for this game, fantastic job, perhaps the next time...

Posted by: pedro | August 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Ricky,

Perhaps you do not understand the sense of the Olympics. By necessity, being the Olympic champion also means you are the world champion.

(Tal vez usted no entiende el sentido de los Juegos Olímpicos. Por necesidad, siendo el campeón olímpico también significa que usted es el campeón del mundo.)

Posted by: derfo | August 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I believe it’s enough of this nonsense… Insulting people, like some of the participants have done, makes me ashamed of being a citizen of the Iberian peninsula and a supporter of Spain’s national team. Whether in Spanish or in English, there is no sense in insulting peoples and nationalities. Stop racist comments! The match is over and it was a great one, and that’s what counts.

Posted by: Jordi P -- Spain | August 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

CONGRATULATIONS, BOTH!

TODAY, THE AMAZING THING I WOULD BE

U.S TEAM MISS GOLD MEDAL.

BUT NODODY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE SO HARD!

VIVA ESPAÑA!

Posted by: PALENCIA | August 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Please bring back the original intentions of the Olympics!

I would rather see amateurs competing for the medals. Not professionals who probably don't even want to be there.

To keep professionals out, two Olympics and you can no longer compete. This way we don't have a replay of the Soviet Professional Hockey teams or half hearted efforts from Professional Basketball players making millions of dollars during the season and trying to avoid injury and wrecking their careers, or Professional without contracts at the end of the year and trying to hitch on with another team.

Please, end the madness!


Posted by: Hello | August 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

OK JORDI

Posted by: PALENCIA | August 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

All of you Spaniards posting racist comments provide us Americans a real eye opener about the "enlightened" nature of some Europeans. Not a very attractive sight. Proud to be an American.

Posted by: America is the greatest country on earth | August 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Will someone stop feeding Marc Gasol paella and empanadas.

Posted by: kobestill8 | August 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Refs clearly favored Spain - nearly fouled out both Kobe and Labron. The Spainish players know how to flop - that is international basketball. It will interesting to see them try it in the NBA.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Felicidades a USA por su triunfo, pero ahora ya van apareciendo equipos que pueden dar la cara contra los mejores de la NBA, hoy hemos perdido pero nos vemos en 2010.
Gracias USA y España por este partidazo
Viva España

Posted by: J Luis | August 24, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Stayed up REALLY late watching the game last night- one of the most enjoyable games I've ever seen, and I've been watching basketball for three decades- no TV ads during each quarter too made the game flow so well! Spain played one hell of a game with some amazing plays- Fernandez was amazing. Kudos to both teams! Spain has some amazing basketball talent for a country almost 7 times smaller in population than the US.

Posted by: What a game | August 24, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Spain was better.
The officials was like a blind men with our defense.
I don´t like to win like this.
Congratulations Spain. Great Job.

Posted by: James | August 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I would say the refs helped the Spanish more than the american team. If the game had been played without refs it would have been "street basketball" and you know that the americans would have won by over 100 points...by using refs the spaniards were able to stay in the game...so, stop this BS about refs helping one or the other, the game was won by the best team in the world and lost by the second best team in the olympics...and these are facts...

Posted by: Carlos | August 24, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the United States for the medal gold but remember.

With FIBA rules

- Physical contact is more strictly punished.
- Travelling is more strictly punished.
- 3 senconds in the key is more strictly punished.

it's normal than people from USA don't know how far more, so they don't understand the poor action of the referees.

in general NBA rules are more relaxed in order to facilitate the spectacle.

Congratulations again from Spain.

Posted by: Antonio | August 24, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Aunque mucha gente que estan leyendo ahora entienden el Espanol, un numero igual no comprenden. Varios oservaciones son inteligentes. Que lastima que no son escrito en Ingles.

Although many people reading now understand Spanish, an equal number do not. Several comments are quite intelligent. Pity they aren't written in English.

Posted by: Jane | August 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

decir alos españoles que "pasos" no se dice "steps". se dice "travelling." mi inglés no es muy fuerte, pero es que estáis haciendo el ridículo poniendo steps

Posted by: español | August 24, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Great Spain, great tactics of his coach, and great defence....is the ÑBA.
Mr. Brian... a gentleman.

Another Shame team for te US+The refs....better don´t talk about them.
In our hearts Spain won the final

Posted by: Dave | August 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I dont undentand how an american can call racist to an spaniard. Things as guantanamo are happening nowadays .

Posted by: colon | August 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"All of you Spaniards posting racist comments provide us Americans a real eye opener about the "enlightened" nature of some Europeans. Not a very attractive sight. Proud to be an American."

Are you a Native American? if so my respects, or are you an european descendant?

there are racists everywhere, in every country.

Posted by: Antonio | August 24, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"I dont undentand how an american can call racist to an spaniard."

USA = blacks monkeys !!!

Uh...maybe your standards differ, but that sounds pretty racist to me.

"Things as guantanamo are happening nowadays ."

And Guantanamo has WHAT to do with race exactly?

Posted by: Easily... | August 24, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

madrileño, vuelvete a la cueva de donde saliste. Fuera de cualquier tipo de blogs hasta que en ese hueco que llamas craneo allá algo mas que aire. Soy español y si insultas a cualquier persona sea de la raza que sea me insultas a mi
Aqui se habla de deporte
Madrileño, Return to the caves where you belong. Out of any kind of blog, you´re not a person

Posted by: josean_767 | August 24, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

usa players not travelling, they running in front of referees. Spain really wins against usa and the referees.

Posted by: rodri | August 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Gracias, Josean. Tienes dignidad.

Posted by: Jane | August 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

se os tiene que caer la cara de verguenza, de la forma que habeis ganado , panda de ladrones, cyclism is controled all the time with doping test, why "Nightmare-team" is not, Spain deserve Gold medal because is World Champions, americanas a mamarla.

Posted by: guile | August 24, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Spain was definitily better, Canada will obliterate uncle sam soon.

Posted by: meandro | August 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

That was a great game played by two good teams. It is very childish to print a couple of lines and call people names.As if that is going to take the feeling of glory and give the gold medal to Spain.The Americans are not black monkies and the Spainards are not white monkies. They are both teams made of extroadinairy athletes that gave us a game I will remember for the rest of my life. The fact of the matter is the U.S. won and Spain lost. The Americans are feeling great inside and nothing anybody wants to say can take that wonderful feeling from us.I just don't think Spain could of beaten this team. If this was a best four out of seven, they would of gotten swept.This game hurts Spain more than the blow out game because they played to win. I respected them for that.However to call a great team names makes the posters appear very immature and lacking of class.Something the American team has by conducting themselves well during these Olympic games.No matter what Spain did the Americans had an answer. It was almost like a classic game of h.o.r.s.e. If they played tomorrow the results would be the same. Kobe was strategically placed on that team for that type of situation. In the real crunch time Spain could not answer nor defend Kobe. No one can. He has been doing that for years. Gasol should of had his hands on the ball in the final 2 minutes doing the same not Jimenez. That was the difference.when Jimenez missed the three you knew it was over. Rubio's inexperienced cleraly began to show towards the end of the game.The tech called against him did not impact the outcome. I admired how the Americans handled the pressure.They refused to lose.Some thought this game was going to be a blowout but looking at the semifinals the Americans knew this was going to be tough. I think the rest of the world has narrowed the gap but the U.S. is still a couple of steps ahead.By 2012 this team will build on this experience, have more international experience, and form I think what is going to be a more potent team. Maybe not too many blow outs but a team that can definitley withstand what the best of the world has to offer.This American team respected everyone so please accept your defeat and do the same.Had the Americans lost it would of been a whole different stories.

Posted by: respect | August 24, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to the awful coverage by NBC this is one of the few exciting events I managed to watch in real time. I went to bed at 4AM but it was worth it. Congrats to our team and congrats to the Spanish team who played very nicely too. I was impressed.

IMHO the American team was faster and more experienced, despite Gasol. The Spanish team played a very technical game but made a few mistakes in their passing probably due to lack of experience (Ricky is very good but lost some critical balls). Bryant Kobe and Rudy Fernández were the best for me. Rudy played with intensity and scored some marvelous points. I´m looking forward to see him play here.

Posted by: Ron | August 24, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Rudy played with intensity and scored some marvelous points. I´m looking forward to see him play here.

Ron, this the kind of words I want to read in this blog. I´ve been a Spanish Team fan for twenty-four years and the gap between American Basketball and the rest of the world is getting closer. Some people in my country is very angry with the referees because they think referees didn´t do American Team play under FIBA rules what it concerns to travelling and that´s why our young player(17 years old)claimed at the end of the game. All of these are only excuses. If we play against American Team with the same rules (NBA rules) your team win 15 out of 16 games. Your National Team is one or two steps ahead they´re nearly perfect but the gap is getting closer year by year.Twenty four years ago we played the Olimpic as a young University American team (Michael Jordan, Pat Ewing...) and we were beaten for twenty points of difference or so. Nowadays that one would be unthinkable. In short,´Congratulations USA you´re the best this time but we can improve (Jose Calderon, Ricky most experienced, new players...
I´m pleased to meet people so objective like you Ron.Out of nationalities this is only sport (Sorry for my bad English, It´s hard to me to write in your language)

Posted by: josean_767 | August 24, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

All of you Spaniards posting racist comments provide us Americans a real eye opener about the "enlightened" nature of some Europeans. Not a very attractive sight. Proud to be an American

Aren´t there stupid people in your country?. You must live in Heaven
You don´t have to judge a country by some fascist ones who wrote these stupid things
I´m proud to be a person too

Posted by: josean_767 | August 24, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Hay miliones de personas en los EU quien nunca votaron para (por?) Bush. Somos cultos, pero no somos ricos. Vivimos vidas modestas. Hace ocho anos de dificilidad con esto presidente. Solamente queremos gozar en paz la victoria de nuestro equipo. Es demasiado a pedir?

Posted by: Jane | August 24, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Scoreboard Spain......scoreboard....twice in fact. You played out of your skulls and that is the only reason you were close. In a 7 game series, it's US 4-0, maybe 4-1 if they got lucky. But, that is all what ifs. The important thing to remember here is Spain lost twice to the US and is clearly a tier below.

Posted by: dc | August 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Some people in my country is very angry with the referees because they think referees didn´t do American Team play under FIBA rules what it concerns to travelling and that´s why our young player(17 years old)claimed at the end of the game"
Posted by: Jose an
Nice post Josean but the referee also made very bad calls against the U.S.A.

Although many people are saying the gap is much closer and Spain could have won the game. I see it differently. The Americans took control of the game in the early second quarter And Spain just couldn't quite get it back. If it weren't for several questionable calls the Americans could of easily been up by 16-18 points.
Every time they were on the verge of putting Spain away, either they made a mistake, or there was a call made against them. Spain was very fortunate. They got many offensive rebounds, loose balls and lucky bounces . This game could of easily been out of reach at half time. Credit Spain for not going away but credit the Americans for being poised and fighting back viciously. The U.S. players demonstrated true character.Before the olympics They were accused of not being able to shoot free throws well. They did a great job. They were accused of not shooting the three well. In the title game and especially when it counted the most they did a fantastic job.
They were accused of being selfish and they showed up like a team of loving and caring brothers. Thank you Spain for bringing out the best in the American team. The Americans showed the entire world what they can do under pressure. Our men are champions. They played like champions. Spain was playing to avenge the embarrassment given by the U.S.A. and to re-establish her credibility. The Americans were playing for the gold medal. In the end they both got what they wanted but the Americans were the more superior team. It doesn’t matter if they won by five, four, or eleven. Spain cannot beat this team. This reminds me of the Celtics and Lakers. No matter what they did the Lakers of Chamberlain couldn't beat the Celtics of Russell. The Americans improved their efficiency in pool play greatly. Look for them to avoid making mistakes and beat teams by a greater margin in the medal rounds of 2012. In 2008 they have overcome the likes of Spain, Argentina, and Greece.Before each of these games in pool play,there were established American sports writers and commontators who didn't think the Redeem Team would win.If the Americans had not blown out Spain in the first game, many people would have exspected them to lose the title game.So this win was indeed HUGE!!!!
This was no little third world country going up against a giant. Spain came into China ready to beat the Americans.

The U.S. could also have beaten Argentina by 30-40 points in the semi finals (too many mistakes allowed Argetina to hang around.) They were also on pace to beat Spain by at least 20 in the title game but they also made too many mistakes. Not great defence by Spain. Just too many mistakes by the Americans. Thats why I don't think Spain can beat the U.S.

When the Redeem Team dosen't make mistakes there is a much wider gap between the U.S.A. and the world. If, the U.S.(after understanding how these teams play), had to play them one more time next week, they would blow them out.
In 2008 The U.S. men's basketball team was clearly better then everybody else. Spain was second best. With two loses both coming at the hand of the Americans. The first a blow out and the second because of American mistakes, bad officiating, and great shooting allow them to stay close but we knew the U.S. would win the game. If the game went on several minutes more the Spanish team would of foul out.

I can't wait for the Americans In 2012 to defend their medals. They have a lot of sharp shooters ready to answer the call. Now the concept of teamwork and a genuine interest to play has been re-established I guarantee they will win again.They have a wonderful program in place to mirror those other countries whose player have been together for 8-10 yers. In 2004 that team was put together at the last minute and they still manage to beat Spain. Now with a successful formula in place and top players eagerly wanting to play the gap will begin to increase again. Spain you had your chance.

The rest of the world get ready because we are back. We are going to get better and better. We had the much needed experience in the medal rounds at Bejing and the games in upcoming 2012 pool play or medal rounds will never be close again. Silver and bronze awaits the rest of the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gold for the U.S.A. is here to stay!!!!!!!

Posted by: We are back | August 24, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Amazing game! Congrats to both teams for keeping the entire world on the edge of its seat, as this one of the best finals I've ever watched. Hats off to all. -ron fin/Philadelphia/USA

Posted by: ronfin | August 24, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

CONGRATULATIONS USA. I´M A VERY PROUD SPANISH GIRL. I HAVE NO SEEN BASKET TODAY BECAUSE I HAD WORKING SO LATE. BUT I THINK IS VERY STUPID TO SAY THINGS LIKE RACISM OR SIMILAR. THE REAL TRUE IS THAT USA WINS. MAYBE TRAVELLINGS OR FAULTS... BUT THE BASKET SPANISH TEAM IS MARVELLOUS.

GRACIAS CHICOS, LA PLATA SABE A ORO
THANK YOU GUYS SILVER TASTE GOLD.

EXCUSE MI HORRIBLE ENGLISH

A POR ELLOS

Posted by: AJO | August 24, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

ME DISCULPAIS POR ESCRIBIR AHORA EN ESPAÑOL, SÉ PERFECTAMENTE QUE ES UN FORO EN INGLÉS, PERO ME DEFIENDO MEJOR EN MI LENGUA. ME HE INTERESADO, YA QUE NO HE PODIDO VE EL PARTIDO, POR SABER LAS OPINIONES SOBRE LA FINAL DE BASKET, PUESTO QUE EN MEDIOS DE COMUNICACIÓN ESPAÑOLES DABAN POR HECHO QUE HABÍA SIDO UN ROBO Y BLA, BLA.

ME INDIGNAN LOS INSULTOS, Y MÁS QUE TILDEN A LOS AMERICANOS DE MONOS NEGROS Y A LOS ESPAÑOLES DE CATETOS. NI LO UNO NI LO OTRO. EN EL FONDO ESTO ES UN JUEGO Y NADA MÁS. QUE POR LO VISTO ESPAÑA HA JUGADO DE PUTA MADRE YA ES UN MÉRITO, PORQUE NO SE PUEDE NEGAR QUE USA TIENE MUCHÍSIMA MÁS EXPERIENCIA, TÁNTO TÉCNICA COMO FÍSICAMENTE. NEGAR LA EVIDENCIA ES ABSURDO.
PERO MIS CHICOS ESTÁN A UN NIVEL ALTÍSIMO Y YO ME SIENTO MUY ORGULLOSA SE SER ESPAÑOLA.

GRACIAS POR EL PARTIDO (MAÑANA LO VEO) Y ENHORABUENA DE NUEVO A USA

Posted by: AJO | August 24, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

it is easier to blame than to except defeat! USA has the gold, and Spain is second to USA. Get over it and move on. There is a reason why the best international players play in America....FIBA rules are for females! ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! USA! USA! USA! And if Spain has so much class, why where they throwing towels on the court and crying like little babies? Face it...USA put there best players on the 2008 team, swept every team and brought the gold back to its rightful owners..America!

Posted by: sorelosers=spain | August 24, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

this just in....Spain is raped by America. We will see you in 2012, that is if you dont end up replacing your team roster for and all Spainard womens team (which you might have better luck with). Silver means second. Just stick to bullfighting and everything will be O.K.

Posted by: sorelosers=spain | August 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

this just in....Spain is raped by America. We will see you in 2012, that is if you dont end up replacing your team roster for and all Spainard womens team (which you might have better luck with). Silver means second. Just stick to bullfighting and everything will be O.K.

Posted by: sorelosers=spain | August 24, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Face it...USA put there best players on the 2008 team, swept every team and brought the gold back to its rightful owners..America!

Posted by: sorelosers=spain

I´m agree with you USA has the gold but You have to be care with this kind of thinking because when you lose it´ll be so much frustrating for your country. This is sport and you don´t own any secret to win eternally. Maybe Spain won´t ever beat these wonderful players,because it´s difficult a tiny country can have so excellent players as we have; but I think China can. They have the human potential to do it.

Interesting post we are back. I always think your players would win and they knew thought they seem so humble in interviews they don´t believe what they were saying

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

The USA has as many African-Americans as all of Spain, about 40 million. If a Spanish visitor is ever lucky enough to get tickets to an NBA game, be sure to leave your insults at home. There's a good chance those antics will put you in the hospital. I'm not kidding. Black people in the US will hand you your ass.

Posted by: justsayin | August 25, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

USA - 36 GOLD MEDAL....110 TOTAL
SPAIN - 5 GOLD MEDAL....18 TOTAL

USA - treinta y seis
España - cinco

DO THE MATH!!

Posted by: sorelosers=spain | August 25, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

@We are back. I think you didn't read any of the comments made here. FIBA rules are far more strict than NBA, what you call a bad offiaciting for the US team was in fact the other way around, bad for Spain.

Whoever that says USA team played bad... well 70% in field goalds and 47% in 3-p... did you expect 100%¿?¿?

Spain also played a superb match, and yes, probably we will lose 4-0 in a 7 match series with NBA rules, but if FIBA were correctly aplied, be sure that it will be really close.

@rjohnson2842. I don't care, if the substance is illegal the sportman shouldn't play. I don't care if it's called Gasol, Nowitzky or James. It's unfair that only NBA players can do that.

General comments. I'm spanish, and I'm not crying because we lost, I just want to explain the americans our point of view about FIBA rules, that you normally don't know, but here there is people complaining about the same from other countries (I read, mexican, argentina, french, italian and Canadian if I remember well), not everybody that is out your border is Spanish :P.

And the smart guy that said that spaniards are racist for the comment of one moron, hey, great thinking in your 300 million people country I'm sure that there aren't any racist (CLEARLY IRONIC).

Posted by: Al3jo | August 25, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@sorelosers=spain.

You seem not to be good in maths :P, so I will help you :).

USA, 300 million people 36 golds, 110 total medals.

Spain, 44 million people 5 golds, 18 total medals.

300 / 44 = 6.81

5 x 6.81 = 34.05, 18 x 6.81 = 122.58.

I think we got what is normal demographicaly ;), and I didn't mention that Spain is one of the countries that gives less money to their top-sportsmen (Italy gives 4 times more and France 8 times more).

Posted by: Al3jo | August 25, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Face it...USA put there best players on the 2008 team, swept every team and brought the gold back to its rightful owners..America!

I understand you very well. You are the owners of your National Treasure: basketball. Isn´t it? Are you the owners of what..? Five guys in shorts running behind a ball trying to throw it through a basket. Do you own thisone? Sure? It sounds a little ridiculous For Gods Sake, it´s only a sport you can play with your friends and nothing more. Today you win tomorrow the Chinese will do and what if it happens, the world will not come to its end by that

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

My city (pop. 500,000) is in the central US, and the ethnic breakdown is:

63% anglo
16% black
8% latino
8% American Indian
5% bi-racial

If citizens have racist feelings -- and I'm sure they do in all races -- they don't express these in public. That is not accepted because it would disrupt societal order.

A gorilla mask and thrown bananas would get you kicked out of the stadium and beaten down in the parking lot. That's just how things roll in the US.


Posted by: justsayin | August 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm going back and watching the game..I'm writing down every bad call, no matter
what team it's against. I marked down any points scored on the play, and
counted them up to see who got the most "freebee" points.


Lebron slaps ball away from Jiminez in the beginning of the first quarter. Called foul,
obvious all ball confirmed by instant replay. (makes free throws)
+2 freebie points for spain.

Travel on Spain after he catches the inbound, 6:31 in first quarter.
No call. Then he shoots a 3 pointer and they call a foul on kobe when he
doesn't touch him.. only called because spanish player flopped. Dirty play.

(makes all 3 free throws) 5 freebie pts for spain total.

6:17 into the first quarter, dwayne wade drives for a layup.. spanish
player tries to get charge. No call. It was either a charge or a block.
It's hard to tell if he was set, but it seems he was. I'll give that one
to spain. 2 point basket for USA.

Spain still has a +3 pt. advantage.

Travel on Navarro at 5:06 in the first quarter.. he scores two points off
of a runner. +2 for spain.

+5 points advantage for spain.

About 4:10 left in the first quarter, chris paul gets a foul called and
makes the basket. Didn't really look like he got fouled..
He makes the free throw as well. +2 freebee for USA.

+3 freebie point advantage for spain.

3:06, Marc Gasol pushed chris bosh. Ticky tack, but you all wanted all
fouls called. No points from that.

1:10 left in the first quarter.. dwayne wade gets fouled. Didn't really
look like he got fouled that hard.. got hit in the nose apparently. He was bumped..
but I think wade milked it a little bit. It was still a foul though.

1:02, should be a foul on a USA player at the top of the key. I think it
was tayshaun prince. No points scored from that.

30.3 seconds left. Really ticky tack foul called on darren williams..I
don't even think he touched him.
Should have been a no call. Spain made both free throws.

+5 freebie point advantage for spain.

9 free points given to spain, and 4 free points given to USA at the end
of the first quarter.

Game score: USA: 38, Spain: 31. SHOULD BE: USA: 34, Spain: 22

And this is just the first quarter before the U.S.A. started pulling away.
I remember the game got worse as they were building the lead. I'll
post the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarters when I get to them.. maybe.

Posted by: Brad | August 25, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

If citizens have racist feelings -- and I'm sure they do in all races -- they don't express these in public. That is not accepted because it would disrupt societal order.

I´m agree with you but we can´t judge other realities under our ethic, moral parameters. Spaniards and Americans are similar in many aspects Our common cultural base is the Western Capitalism but we are different in other many aspects.
You don´t have fascist group you are a democratic nation for a long time we lived under a dictatorial goverment for forty years and these few fascist groups are remains of this age.I think this kind of Spanish people write here.
The famous Team photo is naive, it´s imposible you uderstand that because our reality is different than yours.There´s racist and non racist people here.
Can you guess which is the second world country in Chinese orphan adoptions? Mine is, yours is the first. This is a really gold medal. You can´t understand that because you see the photo under your background ethic and your background is not the same as ours

Posted by: josean_767 | August 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I don´t mind the calls, the match is history, I never claimed about calls like other Spaniards do. Our team played a good match against an American NBA superstars team and I´m proud how they played . I´m sure they´ll try to do it even better next time and defeat NBA Superstars You won Our team lost and that´s all. It´s only sport nor philosophy

Posted by: josean_767 | August 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

@Brad. Watch it again with FIBA rules :).

AH, and the most important thing, this fact of the "racist" photo is only an orchestation to give the olympics in 2016 to Chicago instead of Madrid. ANd be sure you will get it, you have more money, and you make more pressure than us... so we will try again for Madrid 2020.

Posted by: Al3jo | August 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Our coach about calls: "Si estás hablando de eso quitas lo que realmente es un éxito; estás llorando porque no nos han pitado los pasos y realmente creo que tenemos que estar sonriendo porque hemos unos Juegos Olímpicos magníficos".

This is the translation

If you are talking about calls you forget what it´s really a success, you are crying and I think we have to be happy because we play wonderful in these Olimpic Games

No claim, no cries

Posted by: josean_767 | August 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

My uncle visited Madrid in June. He loves Spain. He's an Augustinian priest and doctor of mathematics, so I trust his opinion.

However, I've been to Chicago many times. It's a great place -- plenty of wonderful restaurants, museums, clubs, shopping, train system, and other attractions. The Olympics could do worse.

Posted by: justsayin | August 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Al3jo -

I watched the game and can back brad up. I know the rules. If you think Spain was cheated by the refs, then you don't know the rules of basketball. I play right now at the college level in the pac 10 conference. I have represented the USA in the Nike Junior World Championships. I know how to play.

Posted by: Nic | August 25, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Spain is a has been country living in the past that gets its kicks by killing bulls and other animals. Real men do not kill harmless animals.

The USA has done more for the world in the last 100 years than you can even mention.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I stated that there were bad calls made that influenced the game and affected the outcome of both teams. If Labron only has 3 fouls with seven minutes left in the game, he is a much more aggressive defender around the basket. If Rudy only has three fouls going down the stretch who knows what would have happened. However, having never played organize ball internationally and not knowing (F.I.B.A) rule I cannot make any comments about that topic.

I just wanted to put things in perspective. We do know the pain and frustration of losing in the Olympics. We suffered a devastating lost at the hands of the Russians. We lost in 1988 with 100% college team while other teams at the time had solid and older professionals pushing our college kids around. We lost in 2004 with our all-star professionals. So we have experience the agony of defeat and embarrasement.

It’s just that this team is well likes. They didn't show up like arrogant ass-wholes arguing and fussing with everyone. They showed -up like gentleman. They really put their ego a-side. In addition to that, they did there best to learn F.I.B.A. rules. The last team was totally lost and confused. They had a very difficult time with the F.I.B.A. rules. I remember Tim Duncan (a great player) just looking confused out of his mind. That was another reason why they lost terribly. This current team, although being alls-tars had major adjustments to make. They were able to make those adjustments under extreme pressure.

Although the Americans were the favorites in the tournament, every team they faced besides China and Angola, thought they could beat the U.S.A. and give them a challenge similar to the one in the championship game (hang around - keep the game close- and hoping the Americans would lose because they wouldn't play like a team and they can't shoot well.) thinking they would tighten up and crack under pressure. Basically with other recent U.S. teams that is exactly what has been going on for close to seven years.However in the fourth quarter the Americans didn’t crack, in fact they stood firm and with-stood a heroic Spanish run at victory.

So now, I think the U.S. has a clear understanding of what it means to play basketball in these modern Olympic Games and what it takes to win. They clearly understand what it is like to be up against an international powerhouse like Spain, playing on a neutral court with tremendous excitement, and against an equally talented team that won't quit. And the biggest lesson of all-------How winning by large margins in pool play can be very deceiving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spain and the rest of the world haven’t been intimidated by the U.S. for several years now. It had gotten to the point where the Americans had no answer from the intense opposition from international teams. Had they lost two or three games in these Olympics, they would not have been seen as a serious perennial contender in upcoming major competitions. Very similar to England (which invented soccer) but no longer a very dominant team. Good, but not dominant in the last 30 years when it comes to the world cup.

The Americans have put a halt to their previous down-slide. Had they lost the game, it would have been much more difficult to attract high pro-file players. I don’t think many all-star would be willing participants. Who would want to get embarrassed in the Olympics (in front of the world?) No one!
By winning, doing a good job under pressure in the medal round, and a great job in pool play, they have opened the doors for waves of all-stars and college players to become willing participants. Willing to sacrifice, being dedicated, and doing what ever it takes to win.

Many people don't understand that the U.S. men's basketball (Olympics and international competitiveness was on the verge of collapsing !!!!!!!!!!!!) This team by winning revived that spirit. They did it by hustling, communicating, sweating, and putting country first before ego. That is why so many are happy again. The margin of victory is not important. It is how they carried themselves in 2008 that we admire. Like true intelligent professionals. Not like inner city thugs!!!!!

Spain, Argentina, Greece, Lithuania.....
I can go on and on. These countries bring there compassion and patriotism every single year to major competitions. I admired how their athletes are always willing to leave their heart and soul on the court in the name of country and pride. Somewhere along the line with selfish players and outrageous contracts we seem to have lost that. The college players had that passion, but, not our professionals. They only had it when money was involved.

So, for this team to play the way it did was really is a big deal. The first dream team was public relations. This redeem team was truly a team on a very difficult mission.

Spain on the other hand has a tremendous basket-ball program. I am very proud of how Spain played in the championship game. I learned so much about life from watching that game. To lose by 37 the first time and to come back and push the U.S. to the limit… that was remarkable!!!!!!

Thanks to Spain, the final at the men’s Olympics has been raised to a new level.
I guess from now on every championship against the U.S., will be played like the seventh and deciding game of an N.B.A. final.

The bigger picture is that basketball has again become very exciting and leveled across the globe.
It is so clear that no team can dominate international play. Maybe have an edge but not dominate.
It has become a cat and mouse game of making adjustments, falling behind, and making more adjustments to catch-up.

Everybody became a winner because of how the championship game was played. It is Monday night and I am still excited!!!!
Thank -you Beijing for a most spectacular game. I also want to say, had Spain beaten the U.S., I would of felt bad because my team lost, but not ashamed, because. Spain is a very, very, very, great, and humble team. Rudy ……wow!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for a great and exciting basketball game. See you guys in 2012.
If God permits.
Posted by: We are back | August 25, 2008 7:14 PM

Posted by: We are back | August 26, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I´m totally agree with you "We are bback" USA team come back to the path of victory but when time goes by and easy victories come one after another. How long do they last on returning to the former situation?
They´ve got now this team spirit but beware I read in some web as your players perform humble in an interview with all that kind of talking: "We respect.. blah, blah" But wehe the interview ended a journalist asked one player if they seriously believed they could be ever beaten and This player answer: Seriously not. Forgetting is easy

Posted by: josean767 | August 26, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Extreme confidence is one's abilities is a job requirement for professional athletes. I believe this is true the world over. I have never in my life heard a pro athlete admit the possibility of defeat before a game. I bet this is as true of Real Madrid players as it is of NBA ballers.

Posted by: justsayin | August 26, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Maybe you´re right, I sincerely hope they don´t forget this spirit. There´s only one way the rest of the world improve: playing against these superstars doing their best

Posted by: josean_767 | August 26, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

If USA plays with NBA rules (steps, fouls,...) they should have the 3 points line at NBA distance.
Why there are antidoping controls in all sports except in NBA?

Posted by: Martin | August 27, 2008 4:31 AM | Report abuse

LeBron James: "Respect to Spain, they were unbelievable. We had a game plan and they countered with incredible plays"

Team sports are about TEAMS: the best individuals don't count if they play only for themselves. U.S. basketball learnt this the hard way in '02, '04 & '06. There are very few sports in which, on paper, the U.S. are so far ahead of the rest.
But in a team sport, the team is much more than the sum of its individual talents.

When the time comes, the U.S. has probably in the region of 200 guys to choose from in what is far and away the best league in the world. Any other country would be lucky to find half a dozen.

So all credit to Spain - because if they didn't have a team spirit (nurtured by the fact that a lot of these guys have played together at int'l level since they were about 15), they'd be nowhere.

That the U.S. had to ask their top players to commit to the Olympic team 3 years in advance, and Spain gave them a run for their money is an awesome feat for Spain and underlines the fact that the U.S. can no longer afford to go to the Games with a group of individuals and expect to walk it.

No trash minutes in the gold-medal game. 20 seconds, that's it, that's how close it was.

Americans and Spaniards both have reasons to be proud after this game (not, unfortunately, proud of some of the illiterates - especially in my country - who know nothing better than to post insults).

Let's hope this rivalry can last - and that's it not as bitter as some of the numbskulls that have access to a computer keyboard.

Posted by: Alf - Spain | August 27, 2008 6:16 AM | Report abuse

Referees gave the game to USA, mainly because they don't sanctioned:

- Travelling,
- 3 seconds in the paint

and remember: they don't know how to attack a zone. We practice it in the school.

:-)

Posted by: joapen | August 27, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

This was the one game I hoped for the Americans to beat the racist Spanish team.

Congratulations.

Spain will never be able to host another Olympic game again.

Posted by: Sam | August 27, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Hehe racist Spain? Chinese people saying they like a kind joke and americans who treat foreigners like slaves, or terrorist in movies and tv shows call us racist? Zohan movie is way more racist than that picture. Learn a little... world like us and hate you, it may be for something.

By the way, Spain can hold whatever we want... racist, what a joke by tight suits people.

Posted by: Diego | August 29, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey Sam, look what happened to this woman for chaging her seat during the american anthem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-6iP3T0P28 and how people enjoyed it.
Think about it before calling a country racist for a picture even the chinese like.

Posted by: To Sam | August 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

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