1) Now we know who the sour grapes are.
2) Shawn Johnson is nice and has class. But her "fire-hydrant" body LOOKS like a scaled-down version of the disgrace MLB players. Maybe we should ask for an expeditiously resolution of this issue as well.

Sure thing, but I think we know the answer to both of these questions now, don't we.

TwoCents and ThreeCents you are both idiots. That is all I have to say

Part of the reason there are Olympic committees is to address issues like age verification. Anyone can see the at least one or two of the Chinese gymnasts look really young. I'd want to know for sure too.

In most cases, a sliver medalist does not want to win through the disqualification of gold medalist. In this case, however, Anastasia Liukin deserved the gold based on the excellence of her routine and the lack of precision by the judges who failed to deduct properly for He's errors.

That is even before consideration of the corruption of equality when one nation plays by the rules and another cheats.

Award the gold where it belongs -- with Anastasia Liukin. Wear it with pride!

If she has the skills and the ability, I don't see what the problem is. What difference does it make how old she is?

Heck, I'd even be more embarresed to have been beaten by a child!

The chinese need to quit exploiting their people period. When are they going to clean up their act?

Isn't it funny that the gymnasts (even if underage as alleged) still managed to beat everybody in an internationally refereed contest? Or are people saying that the judges were 'overage' senile idiots that were swayed by considerations other than performance........ sour grapes indeed.

The IOC should launch an inquiry into the judging across various sports instead. Boxing was a total sham. Gymnastics was a joke.

2cents, 3cents: You're the same person. How lame.

as a chinese I guarantee the chinese athlets are underaged. It is so obvious, a chinese can tell a chinese age, second of all, dishonesty is not a shame amoung chinese, even for the government.

I don't know about grape, but a lie is a lie, especially this lie is to the world.

Age matters because there are, you know, rules.

chinese passport is cheap! you just fill in the age yourself without any confirmation!

I know firsthand that in some countries you can bribe an official with a bottle of Johnny Walker, or a carton of cigarettes to get a fake birth cert or a passport. Imagine what a govt can do if they are in on it. The situation is 'curious' to say the least. I wonder if they can do any biological tests to determine the age, carbon dating only tells you how long a living being has been dead, but I don't know of any test to determine the age of a living being.

Well that's why their are rules, a 14 year old gymnast can do much more than an a 16 year old gymnast; they can twist their bodies more, are less heavier, etc.

It's called rules, they take gold medals for atheletes who use performance enhancement drugs, and they will take it from under age atheletes, for being under age!

vinny, when you got beat, the question is not what others should do. If you can't take the loss, don't play. Stop Whining!!! I thought the americans know better. The stupidity from the ignorance has no boundary in the country.

The individual medals should not be revoked even if they determine fault, however, that medal should no longer be counted towards the team/overall medal. Punish the team for cheating, not the girl. In China, she probably didn't have a choice to not compete anyway.

age requirements are for a reason. rules and regulations are for a reason. one assumes athletes and their trainers will follow the rules. however, if a child is taken from their home at age 2 or 3 to begin a lifelong training program, one also assumes they will not look the same, act the same, perform the same, nor will their personal history be the same. age then can become a question especially if the "state" run program marches to it's own drum.

send underaged people to compete! is a sign the chinese are weak as nation.

If the IOC discovers that Chinese Gymnasts were under age - the family of those children will lose their preferential housing.

The Horror - The Horror

Amused,
The problem with bad judging in gymnastics is primarily because the competing countries are not allowed to have any judges on the panel. That results in judges on the panel from countries where gymnastics is not a popular sport, and they have less exposure and training to accurately judge the sport.

We need to be honest at all the issues. Teach our young people to be honest whether they are winners or losers. Rules are rules and each person should follow them regardless. If we teach them to be winners by cheating about age then what have we taught them about being honest and good sportmanship.

What a fake Chinese you are, 'So Obvious'! You don't have to pretend to be a Chinese if you don't want to be called a sour grape. Your guarantee means nothing.

lol face and body can't tell the age of a person, you may see that she looks very young, but she may not be that young just like alot of asian girls out there. U.S will look like a joke out there if the claim appear to be a false claim, and I am waiting to see that

China rigged the competition with underage girls. The rule is 16 yrs old. They cheated to win on a world stage.

For the people who keep saying age does not matter I am going to simply suggest you take up gymnastics. Age does matter.

Regardless, it is the rules. I am sure you would be upset if you found out Phelps had a boat motor tied under him and thats why he won.

Ban China forever. Thank you

MJ: What difference does it make? If the age limit were different or non-existent, that would open up opportunities for other competitors around the world who might have made it to the Olympics and might have changed the outcome of the events.

Do you believe for a second that China will not be able to produce proof (albeit falsifide if need be) of her age?

I think pushing the issue, now that a gold medal has been awarded, is embarassing. This should have been addressed BEFORE they medaled. Doing it now just makes the U.S. look sour.

Parts of the opening ceremony are fake, doesn't that tell you something. That the
country will do anything to impress and fool the world. So it's very clear, they can also do things to their athletes who do not have any say on anything.

Bad charges? Bad this, bad that, oh, this is not fair, the americans got screwed, PLEASE, be a good loser. You think that only happened to you? The americans need to learn how to take it, not just pointing your fingers to anyone. You NEED to know that the americans are no better than others.

vinny... you are in no position to talk about exploitation...most of you Americans are exploited everyday by your government and interestingly enough you deny it. your government has given you the reality they want for you and you just sat there and accepted it.
What do you know about what happens in China except what you are told... maybe you should try to find out for yourself before commenting...because from where I stand... America seems to see all the wrong in the world except with themselves...there was another country that was similar and thought themselves a super set of ppl... hmmm which country was that...they also had an eagle as it's symbol....

If you look at the age on official cached documents, you can see her age quite clearly. These documents were indeed pulled off of the official websites. They also managed to get the Google cache purged, interesting, but Baidu's cache was still intact. blah, blah, blah...

I posted my own screen capture:
http://cultofportal.com/he-kexin-bday-scandal.png

I would strongly urge that you read this artile first:
http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/hack-olympics.html

Typical!Typical!Finding excuses when you did not win!Maybe London 2012 can help you to redeem yourselves!

China is a comunist country, what can you expect?..dont you know how comunist countries work?..the govertment controls everything and has the power to forge any official document they want..if you cant see this, is because you dont know how communist are..I do..

the Chinese cheat..and should be punished..I dont care if the american girls get the gold, btw ,they deserved , becuse the played by the rules, but just take off the gold from the chinese

You can't afford that, sour losers. Just pay up the debt and we will give you a gold something.

1. A younger athlete has is more agile, has more stamina, and better flexibility then an older. This is even more apparent in gymnastics. Age does play a huge role in this sport.
2. The new rules say that you cannot have a judge from the country that’s competing. Hence, the judges were from countries that have never produced a single good gymnast, that’s why the scoring system was so random.
3. Why is it that when Americans are saying something is wrong (even in a simple matter as this) there are always people who got their undies in a bunch and must go on insulting? It’s a simple inquiry. Getting gold by dsq is the worst thing, but its only fair.
4. I am sure He had no say in this and I am afraid to think what will happen to her if she really is underage and all that gold gets taken away from the Chinese.

Gymnasts is a sport where senselessness is daily produced anew, who cares about age.

Tolosers. What does American ignorance have anything to do with the age of Chinese gymnasts? Are you blind of the simple idea of right and wrong because your hate America so much? IOC and FIG rules were set by and accepted by the world of gymnastic. It is NOT able the gold, it is about fair competitions. I am a Chinese and I would like to see us win honorably. Toloers - you are truly ignorant.

The question of age is valid- although it should have been cleared up during trials- not at the Olympics. Does it make the US sore losers? Yes, it does. But when it is the correct thing to do, cheaters shouldn't have the right to get their way.

Jade, was it Mexico? They also have an eagle on their flag. I think every country believes they are better than the next. What is your point? How is the US any different than China, France or Germany for that matter? Don't they all look down their nose at each other?

Nastia would have been 14 at the last olympics, and would have been a favorite to win, but she played by the rules and sat out. And now she gets cheated out of a gold medal by 14 year olds. Ridiculous.

This Olympics just shows the before and after effect.
BEFORE: America on drugs
AFTER: America off of drugs.

There isn't a country that cheated more than America...stole precious memories of athletes who worked hard to get second and third... and should have gotten their moment in time...

I am not saying that this justifies that others can cheat because you did it...but do not criticize others as though you are the epitome of perfection.

It's like accusing China of violating human rights and forgetting Abu Ghraib... you are no different... it wrong both ways....

I just wanted to add to 'me's comments.

"1. A younger athlete has is more agile, has more stamina, and better flexibility then an older. This is even more apparent in gymnastics. Age does play a huge role in this sport."

I am sure there are a few fourteen year olds and fifteen year olds in the US and other countries, currently more agile and nimble than anyone on the current US team, waiting until they turn 16 to compete. Because those are the rules and we respect the emotional rights/security of individuals instead of forcing them to cheat as the Chinese have done.

to valley girl. lol define fake and real please before saying

Wow Irwin. you are comparing the exploitation of fourteen year old girls to Abu Ghraib. All I can say is wow.

NBC was misleading US people in many ways. They counted He's faults. But when Liukin plays, they kept silence on her faults. And truth to tell, many people thought Liukin's difficulty score in uneven bars was not comparable to He's at all.

Judging by the amount of spelling errors etc that are present in the majority of the above posts, I would suggest that the authors are younger than they really are.

If you listen to the people here who actaully support the Chinese government in this, you can only draw one conclusion. These people feel it's ok to cheat, as long as it's against the United States.

The age rules are there to protect gymnasts from permanent injury- to keep them from being pushed beyond the limits of what a developing body can take. Even if these young athletes did well, others would suffer harm, hence the rule.
It may be hard to prove, but if some of China's gymnasts were too young, they should lose both individual and team medals. Those who were of age, of course, should not.

Stephen? what a Chinese you have there! I don't care what you are, but I know you are blind and you don't know your facts. I don't hate americas. I just think the fairness goes two ways. Remember Chinese women soccer team lost to the americans years ago, can you honestly tell me these were fair panlety kicks? Or you just simply ignore the past? Ignorance comes from every corner in the country. The americans always think they have the rights to point their fingers to other people, talk with no respect. Ignore all the facts that don't go their way. The americans just can't take a loss. You know what? get used it.

If USA had some younger gymnasts competing and got silver against China's youngsters, I've got no problem with that. Younger gymnasts weigh less and are generally more fearless in their routines. If you're 80 lbs, it's also easier to do moves than if you're 120#. It's about having a level playing field. We do know USA has better 16-20 yr old gymnasts than China's 16-20 gymnasts.

NASTIA (nor Anastasia) Luikin was a world champion 4 years ago and probably would have medaled in the Athens Olympics -BUT SHE WASN'T ELIGIBLE to compete because of her age, so she did not. See also Dominique Moceaneau, who peaked before she was eligible. ALSO, it was the BRITS not the US who asked for the investigation initially -- the USOC just sent a letter in agreement. That being said, the age rule is stupid -- the best should be able to compete. But so is the only-2-gymnasts-from-a-country rule for the same reason.

You do realize that a newspaper in london was the one who brought this up, right?

You people need to get over the america bashing. If america had cheated you would all be spazzing. Grow up.

Why does it matter? Because without rules you have chaos. If you have to cheat to win then you haven't really won have you? Of course since when did the Chinese government give a hoot what the rest of the world thinks?
Seriously though these girls spend almost all their waking hours training for this. They should at least be given a fair and equal playing field, and judges without prejudice.
For the record I think the remarks about Shaun Johnson are cruel and disgusting. She is a talented and beautiful young lady. I for one am proud of her.

When was the last time in America that you saw a 16-year old driving a car with his/her baby teeth out and no adult teeth coming in yet?

I suggest they hold a "No Rules" Olympics, that way, they will eliminate all the whining and sour grapes. Like the old racing adage: "run what you brung".
With all the technology available today, it could be very interesting...

Get used to it. China is now the Central Kingdom of Sports. Now that its 100s of millions of underage kids have gotten a taste of the Olympics, next time they will rule in track and field. Mark my words, the West's time has come and gone. China which once ruled the world has arisen. Better start learning Mandarin, hard but fun.

Rules are rules, that is true. The fundamental rule is that your are innocent until proven guilty, the Chinese team have presented evidence that proves they are innocent, now, present some evidence to show they are guilty, or shut up.

cheaters always doubts others, like Bela and his wife Martha. They have cheated and betrayed their own country (Romania). how could these cheaters' words be trusted? they are pity losers.

The rules are the rules and even though the girls may be skilled enough to compete with the world, if they fail to meet the age limit, they have no right to be there. It would seem that China has taken East Germany's place in the Olympic Games cheating role. Even before the games began there were questions about the Chinese gymnasts ages and various and contradictory documentation was uncovered indicating that the girls were, in fact, too young to compete. Their ages were documented as younger earlier in their careers so that they could compete in events in younger age groups.
Surely by now the Chinese government has been able to 'correct' and 'purge' all the errors and their ages will now appear to be older than they were represented to be in the past.

HE KEXIN IS A CHEATER AND SHE KNOWS IT. THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT LIES AND CHEATS AND THEY KNOW IT. PLAY BY THE "RULES." = NO COMPLAINTS. THAT'S PRETTY TOUGH THOUGH IM SURE WHEN YOU'RE A BUNCH OF COMMUNISTS WHO CANT THINK FOR YOURSELVES WITHOUT THE THREAT OF IMPRISONMENT.

This isn't a matter of sour grapes, but of adherence to the Olympic rules. If He was underage, she broke the rules, as did any of her teammates with knowledge of her age.

I know people say, "Well, if she can do it, why does it matter how old she is?" That isn't the point. The point is that the Olympic committee, for whatever reasons, decreed an age cutoff for their competitors. There's no grey area there. It's exactly the same as if an athlete was found shooting steroids.

I have no problem with He holding the gold if the investigation proves that she is of age. She preformed well. But the fact of the matter is if she is underage, she cannot hold a gold medal.

Hi guys, do you know when these athletes were selected? They were selected in 2001 right after China was selected for 2008 Olympics. As everyone knows, China has so many people so many candidates, why Chinese government needs to select some underage girls at that time? Use your brain.

To Dubber... HILARIOUS! :-)

Jade,

I guess you are Chinese. So am I. America has it problems. It cheaps somethings. It is not perfect. China also has same problems. I believe both are GREAT and both has flaws. Let's not compare the two because you are not going to get anywhere even you spend the rest of your life arguing about it. Your anger is not going to help either.
This particular issue is not between the US and China. It is about doing the right thing. It is about how China appears in the eyes of rest of the world. Most countries probably do not care who wins in this case. However, it is obvious to them China did not play by the rule. Personally, I do not wish other countries see China as a cheater. What is wrong with IOC investigating? There is a old cinese saying "if one lives honorably, one need not to be afraid of a late night knock at the door."
And for those China haters, get the the 21st century. Hollywood is not a good source of accurate information.

Irwin

The 'USA' (the country) never cheated. Athletes FROM the USA have cheated. But they are far away from the 'worst'. Educate yourself :

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/drugs/stories/top10.html#6

In this case it wouldn't be the athletes 'cheating' as is the case in most doping scandals. In this case it would be state-unconcerned cheating. To cheat in the way it is alleged the Chinese have, then it is the Chinese government itself that must be involved. The American government NEVER has orchestrated any cheating scandal for the sole purpose of boosting it's medal count. Any Doper that happened to be from the US was doping for personal gain. not because they were instructed to by their government in order to win more goal medals for the country.

Come off your high-horse for just a second and admit that cheating is cheating no matter who it is, who it is against, or who is blowing the whistle. It doesn't matter if "other countries cheat" That's not an excuse to ignore an obvious case with evidence mounting every day. I could care less about gymnastics. But this is wrong. People here are trying to excuse it just because it's the "big mean USA"... Well what you are saying is that it's OK to cheat as long as it's against the united states. That's Bull. Hypocrites All of you!

The rules are in place for the protection of the athletes as well as providing a fair playing field. It is wrong to place such pressure both physically and mentally on such a young person. Either way China will provide proof (true or not) of her age.

"NBC was misleading americans by counting He's faults but not Nastia's" ... well, I mostly agree with you there, but this part is just wrong:
"many people thought Liukin's difficulty score in uneven bars was not comparable to He's at all."

that just demonstrates a complete ignorance of how the sport works. difficulty value, or A-score, is codified, based on how many tricks you do, how hard the FIG agrees those tricks are, and how you connect them together. it's academic. there IS no disagreement on the difficulty value, it's like saying one diver who does an inward 3.5 has it easier than another diver doing the same dive.

now, there's plenty of room for subjectivity when it comes to B-score, or execution score. that's completely up to the whim of the judges and the viewers. but difficulty value isn't up for discussion - the FIG certified that both He's and Liukin's routines contained tricks and combinations which awarded them a 7.7 start value.

I also think the remarks about Shawn Johnson are cruel and ugly. Really, who needs to take pot shots at a teenage girl? Does that make you guys feel big?

Irwin,

No country cheated more than the Russians. They got busted and changed. Rules are there for a reason.

China had a gymnist who openly said on the record that they were underage when they won their medal. The Chinese believe in winning by any means, including cheating if need be. This is a red flag to the possibility of cheating again.

The Chinese coach got very defensive and immediately accused the Americans of doping. I'm sure the American team will(or already have) submit to drug tests. Either way, an investigation is needed because it is obvious that age could be a question mark. She(He) doesn't look like 16 or someone who has even had the slightest sign of puberty.

This isn't "Womens" gymnastics at all. Just call it "Little Girls" gymnastics and be done with it, same for figure skating.

I think China should completely ignore this. This is too low stuff even to respond to. It is just like you win and you are big so you must be on drugs.

Hey, DMAN here.

I'm just back from beating my child because I didn't think he grew fast enough this past month.

This discussion is quite interesting. My kid can't read and barely passed freshman math, but he sure can play a mean game of football (and "enforcer" on his high school basketball team). He's 19 and a HS sophomore, we think USC will recruit him as a Junior.

Go Trojans!

Well, anyway, back to work ... he (not He) needs a bit more discipline drilled into him. Footworks great, though, he can dodge a fist in 0.37 seconds!

DMAN

Haha, Nic H

"For the people who keep saying age does not matter I am going to simply suggest you take up gymnastics. Age does matter.

Regardless, it is the rules. I am sure you would be upset if you found out Phelps had a boat motor tied under him and thats why he won."

Good point! :)

Competitive gymnastics is dumb because of the subjective scoring system it uses to determine a winner.

You can include figure skating, diving, freestyle snowboarding, ski jumping, and any other sport that bases its scoring on a number from a judge as equally dumb sports.

Get Real ....my point is ... don't criticize when you are no different... fixed your house before you talk about another person's house...

And since you apparently need clarification since I spoke in past tense and not present tense concerning the eagle insignia... to be clear ...there was a broken cross found on it...clear enough for you?

At least you got one thing right though...all countries think they are better than the other...so in essence you got the point... strange that you would ask what the point was...

It is only a matter of time, the US girls will get their Gold medals.

With these new structures, built on the strenght of supersense and driven by motor of logicality, we are indeed at the end of the bourgeois era of profits and power .The aggressivness of sports springs not from lust of winning, but to prove that its respective supersense has been right

Rules are rules. At least that's what I was taught. If they are too young, then there is clear reason to disqualify them...regardless of how good they are. Of course, you liberals probably feel that the rules can and should be bent to accommodate whatever your current beliefs or morals might be. But, that's another issue.

I miss the hairy East German Female athletes. There was definitely no doubt that those hulking Amazons were sixteen.

When and why did the age issue happen? Some sports favor younger more agile bodies (gymnastics/diving) and others favor older more experienced larger, stronger bodies (fencers,track,swimming). I think the age-thing should be removed. I also think changes need to be made in the scoring of artistic gymnastics. Shawn and Nastia have extremely different styles...how can you compare them and judge the styles equally. Seems like this year, Nastia's style is "in vogue" whereas in the past the "Marylou" style was popular. Seems "fickle" judging exists in that sport. Age is just one problem.

With these new structures, built on the strenght of supersense and driven by motor of logicality, we are indeed at the end of the bourgeois era of profits and power .The aggressivness of sports springs not from lust of winning, but to prove that its respective supersense has been right. Ban the IOC

A bunch of sour losers, cannot beat you in the game, then try to beat you off the game.

Nic H:

It's interesting how you used Phelps have a boat motor as an example, which is very unrealistic, saying Phelps doping would be more realistic, not that he did it.

why would anyone call their daughter

Nasty Lookin ?

Those European judges want to kowtow to the Chineses and downgrade America. Obviously as Europe and China are no match for us. These losers have to cheat anyway they can to defeat America. Face it, the rest of the world is lazy and wants what Americans have but don't want to work for it, they want it handed to them. No wonder those European chicks are so lazy.

Sour-grapes? You've got to be kidding!!! Is it not cheating to put in a 14 year old when the rules say 16 years old or up?

USOC would not send the letter if US won the gold medals and no investigation at all.

Age does matter! All teams got their best athletes from the pool of athletes defined by the age limit. As age limit is broadened the selection pool gets larger as well. Who knows the faces of the teams would be different as well. As body grows old it becomes ridged and less flexible. Therefore it is not apples to apples when judging girls in pools 12-16 vs. 16-20.

this is all about following the rules. if those girls are not old enough to compete, they should not be competing. i hate how everything turns into an "I HATE AMERICA" rant. yes, we had a few dopers in the last olympics, and they gave up their medals, as they very well should have. i was not proud to have cheaters representing my country. and i was glad to see them lose their medals. they did not deserve them.

cheaters do not deserve medals. whether it be for drugs or for being underage. it is still cheating.

none of this denotes the US being whiny babies to me. some other country must have whined in the first place to get the americans looked into for doping. why weren't they whiny babies?

on the other hand, though, it should have come up at the trials, not after medals have been awarded. but if they are cheating, they should still be called on it.

You can't be sure of someones age within two years. All these people are saying my 200lb daughter is 16 so that china gymnast is got to 5 is retarded. I'm sure china has many petite girls that look much younger than their white counterparts. The US has hardly the moral authority these days

The Chinese cheated through their teeth!! Especially the little pre-teen who still had hers coming in for Christ's sake. If anyone believes that all those Chinese girls were at least 16 than you're an idiot, blind, or both. I'd put their ages between 12-15!

There will never be an answer in this case unfortunately, and their will be a cloud over the performances of the athletes forever. The real problem is that any evidence that did exist is being destroyed by the Chinese government instead of explained. Maybe some of the documents used as evidence that the ages were false were actually in error and could be explained. Unfortunately, by covering them up they make it impossible to ever prove innocence or guilt.

Of course, this is a meaningless issue when compared to the real tragedy of these games. The Chinese committed to allow protests, but every request for a permit has been refused and the requesters have been imprisoned. The fact that 2 70-year-old women are sentenced to a year of labor for wanting to protest the confiscation of their homes (in order to build Olympic venues) is the real tragedy

Instead of going on about the age issue there should be some claryfication about the judging- it was extremely biased towards the chinese and not only in gymnastics. Let's remember that the US is not the only country out there- others got cheated as well. For example- even though one of the chinese girls felt to her knees on the vault she still got the bronze- compare that to the Russian that missed her landing in trampoline and got nothing even though she had a fantastic routine. The all around judging in this olympics has left me baffled.

I'm apalled at the sour grapes comments. The real issue at hand is how far will parents, schools, teams, government go to win. Cheating is just that -- cheating. If He did not meet the age requirements, China voilated the rules and thus cheated. He is an excellent gymnast and did well and arguably better than US gymnasts. At the end of the day, if she was not of age, she wouldn't have competed and we wouldn't be faced with acknowledging that point. I believe that integrity is something that we need to preserve and teach our children to uphold. If China cheated, it should be dealt with and in a timely manner.

a bunch of losers...my advice: learn to be a winner

Age also plays a role because young athletes are in fact more flexable, more injury resistant and heal faster and...they are less fearful of the extreame moves that are required at this level than older more experienced athletes. Rules are the glue that create reasonable expectations and keep society running well. If "we don't stand for something then we stand for nothing"

In response, to Ananymous -- being a winner is about integrity.

If we want to talk about the unfairness of nastia Liukin, perhaps Paul Hamm should return his gold medal 4 years ago, because clearly there was a math error and he is not the champion.
Withholding the medal when you don't deserve it, that is a loser.

ALL (gold medals)SHOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM CHINA and BANNED FROM ANY SPORT FOR 20 YEARS

Jade,

It must be terrible to be so full of hate that you have to compare America to Nazi Germany over a foolish sport. I hope someday you and the rest of the world stop feeling so inferior.

Get a life sore losers. Stop whining that your ass was kicked. Learn to love not hate your global neighbors

mlab,

Remember, to the rest of the world, America is always wrong and evil.

They are underaged, BECAUSE I SAY SO. I AM AMERICA

To you lemmings:

The information we have received seems satisfactory in terms of the correct documentation - including birth certificates,” said IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies.

I've been told that you can tell a girl's age by cutting off her legs and counting the rings. I don't know if it's true or not.

I've been told that you can tell a girl's age by cutting off her legs and counting the rings. I don't know if it's true or not.

Daly:

I wouldn't say that losing by hendreths of points qualifies as "getting our ass kicked." This is such a simple issue. Either the Chinese played by the rules, or they didn't. PERIOD.

I agree with Dubber. You all are to young to know what you are talking about.

This sport (?) is so subjective that it should not be in the Olympics to begin with. Granted the competitors are supreme athletes, but there is no objective way to score these exhibitions. Throw out all the judges and silly rules, let the athletes perform and the fans sit back and enjoy.

Shawn and Nastia are super athletes who have mastered their sport with alot of passion. In China they take the girls away from their family as young as 6 or 7. They train 7 days a week they have no life beyond gymnastics. In china most girls do it to make a better life for their family not for the love of the sport. China exploits these girls for the selfish reason of pride in the olympics with hopes of a gold metal. They will do anything to win those cheaters :( They should be shamed by the world. I think if any team is caught cheating they should not be allowed to compete in the next olympics.

Andrew:

Basically you said what i said...and i do agree with you...the athletes are the ones that cheated not the country and believe me I am on no high horse.

However, what prompted me to comment was the fact that it appears as thought China as a country was being labeled with the same brand that American's won't want for their country. I am not seeing anyone saying "Chinese athletes"

Do you have any proof that the Chinese government has influenced the outcome of any Olympic event?

Reality Check: I stand corrected :) thanx

Stephen: I do apologize if I came across as angry...and your advice is excellent... what I am trying to get everyone to understand is every country has issues and no one is better than the other. The Olympics to me, has been made by the media as an us against them event...kinda like a war with no physical causalities... it appears to be so political that one cannot enjoy it as just the celebration of the human spirit. The idea of all different races and people together ..getting to know each other ...appreciating differences is what the Olympics are about. Uplifting each other.

I have no problems with investigation... since it exonerates... and if it indicts well it is what it is and the punishment should suit the crime.

Anonymous:
I think you failed to see my point...
whether it's fourteen year old girls or Abu Ghraib... THEY ARE BOTH WRONG!...No need to compare... the age difference makes no difference...wrong is wrong.

Does anyone really think that it's okay for the US to cheat, but it's not okay for other countries? Look at Marrion Jones - she's being crucified in the public eye for what she did.

Andrew:

Basically you said what i said...and i do agree with you...the athletes are the ones that cheated not the country and believe me I am on no high horse.

However, what prompted me to comment was the fact that it appears as thought China as a country was being labeled with the same brand that American's or any other country won't want for their country. I am not seeing anyone saying "Chinese athletes"

Do you have any proof that the Chinese government has influenced the outcome of any Olympic event?

Reality Check: I stand corrected :) thanx

Anonymous:
I think you failed to see my point...
whether it's fourteen year old girls or Abu Ghraib... THEY ARE BOTH WRONG!...No need to compare... the age difference makes no difference...wrong is wrong.

A computer hacker has found evidence that He Kexin is actually only 14. Check out his blog here: http://strydehax.blogspot.com/

The evidence came directly from the Chinese agency The General Administration of Sport of China.

The IOC needs to investigate and take punitive action against China for cheating.

About half-way through all these comments I had to stop reading. Has anyone considered that these are the Olympic Games? Games! If you want to complain about something how about Russia invading Georgia, or Georgia invading South Ossetia, or the US invading Iraq. Those are not games. Presumably at the Olympics no one is going to die for having lost.
I'm sure mistakes were made. There was probably even some cheating; there always is. Americans have had their share of cheating too. In games there are always winners and losers. People need to learn how to do both gracefully. After all, isn't that what sports is about, particularly gymnastics: grace under pressure?

Y'all all need to move forward on this issue. China has issues just as every other country has issues. Did you all forget about Lance Armstrong and his doping alligations? He won 6 years in a row, then was found to be using sports enhancing drugs. No one said anything else about it though. NOW that China has won a gold and (let it be said) the girls did look awfully young up there on stage, who's to say they didn't cheat? They would rather have boys/men in their country rather than girls/women. A lot of American families (and other families around the world) adopt the baby girls from China because NO ONE WANTS THEM! I hope that speaks volumes to you duma$$ that think China has done nothing wrong. Take off your "rose colored glasses" and look around you. Cheated w/ a singer, cheated not only the USA but other countries from medals that work their TAIL off to win. Think before speaking.

"A computer hacker has found evidence that He Kexin is actually only 14."
Seriously, get a life and quit making crap up. Anyone that is a true hacker is NOT going to post crap on a "blog". Get a clue you moron!

1. The U.S. only sent the letter after the English did.
2. Younger girls are more limber and flexible than older teens and women, as such they have a huge advantage in this field. Saying, 'who cares' is like getting grandpa to race in Nascar against the likes of Jeff Gordon. The age requirement is put in place to even the field, so no one is given an unnecessary advantage.
3. You guys that are American bashing are idiots... the Americans that are thinking they are right and only because they are American, shut the hell up... I can't stand you hillbilly rednecks.

Tommy,
Seriously, "hillbilly rednecks"? Show's you know a lot about your history.

You guys are talking about the athletes in China like they are hostages and being tortured in the training.
Please get the facts straight before making judgements. Sure in US, the kids live the parents and practice in gym. If the Chinese parents have reliable transportation and two hours to spend on the road, they would want to and be able to have their kids live with them. But in China, the kids were not kidnapped from their home. They were simply picked by coach from elementary school because they might be good materials for the sport and asked whether they want to be in the sports. Certainly if they don't to, they have the right to refuse. But most of kids would like to be a success athlete. Sure there are times being yelled by coaches, so are American kids; yes, there are times they want to quit, but have you wanted to quit school? That is different from torture.
Talk to Yao Ming, know how he grew up as an athlete.
American propaganda certainly made a big impact, but find out the truth if you like.
Certainly there are problems in China, a lot. But get the facts straight before being judgemental, and sour!

Please watch a movie named 筑梦2008 produced by Chinese Government.He stated she was 10 in the interview, which was 2003.
http://v.youku.com/v_playlist/f2189448o1p0.html

So to comment back on China children being kidnapped...
No one ever said they were held against their will and sure, they do have the option to play in the sports or stay home. You also need to do your homework and understand these children are handed over to the state and China is awarded custidy of them, not the parents. It was said one of the Chinese girls called home, begging her parents to bring her back home and they said NO! You must continue and you will continue. Don't believe me? Review the women's gymnastics all around and watch the commentary for yourself.

If you uses another gov web site to prove another gov doc is fake, don't you think you are stupid?

The key is the rule is good, sometime somebody will break the rule. What you can do is to get the rule better and better. US gov did not follow the rules and invaded Iraq, how many US residents need to be punished? Since you chose the same Gov twice? Did you send a letter to UN to investigate US gov? China in US' eyes is never right, this is the rule. Check your pant, it is a fake one since it comes from China, you'd better be naked.

You really want to go there over the invasion of Iraq? Have you been there yourself? Have you seen what goes on over there? My friend (ChinaNeverRight) you have no idea what you are talking about. You would not last one day in the fighting that takes place there. You want to talk ignorance? Look in the mirror. Anyone who talks crap about Iraq being invaded has their arguments about it and everyone has their opinions, but has anyone ever stopped to look at the people of Iraq and notice the gratitude that Americans, British, Australians and the other countries have done for the Iraqi's? They still live in fear but for the first time, they don't have a dictator beating and bloodying their feet because they stood up for themselves. Think about things from the people who experience it first hand, not because you don't want your people helping those who cannot help themselves.

Let me clarify - the "computer hacker's" credentials:

Stryde Hax -
Is a consultant with the Intrepidus Group, a proactive security firm known for launching the first proactive anti-phishing service, phishme.com. He has a wide ranging security background, from reverse engineering to penetration testing. In his spare time, he find things on web servers that were never meant to be found.

If you haven't gone to his blog and reviewed the evidence he has uncovered, don't presume to judge whether or not it is valid.

http://strydehax.blogspot.com/

Necessary_proof -
At least you can back your claims where these other mishaps just talk out of their a$$.
Thank you.

I still think my high schooler can whup your high schooler any day of the week. He's a tour de force on the football field and a dynamo in his remedial reading class.

Football should be an Olympic sport.

I WISH Football was an Olympic sport and I'm not talking soccer.

Some day it will be, but not any time soon. It'll be Dream Team revisited.

Headline:
Gridiron Goliaths take on Ethiopia in the opening round of pool play for the 20XX Olympics. USA expected to win by 97 points.

LMAO! That is damn funny!

For all the people saying sour grapes or hate america, I'm sure you all would feel cheated if a free money giveaway was held for people who are married. you're newly married standing in line and they run out of money to give away.... and you see your single ex walking away with cash she shouldn't have. you wouldn't be mad or say she broke the rules? yeah sour grapes indeed.

JS... good comparison. Sour grapes in deed and believe me, not only would I jump her a$$ for cheating for the money, I'd turn her in!

I agree with twocents. Anyway, in order to get a passport, you need the original birth certificate.
Yea, those sour grapes are the same people that said the fireworks where fake too yea? Well, even if it where to be fake, I can bet no other country had done a spectacular job like the Chinese! Gees, lucky I live Hawaii where we all give Aloha to each other instead of pointing fingers all the time. Shame now.

of course no one questions the age of the romanian team or the japanese team...hmm are they blind or are they just prejudiced?

still the children in China
"You also need to do your homework and understand these children are handed over to the state and China is awarded custidy of them, not the parents." Simply ignorant of the fact. I live with my homework everyday. Living in the dorms of government doesn't mean government has custody of the children, parents can have them back anytime if they want to.
I believe the kid begged their parents to take her home and the parents refused. Are you blaming the parents, or the government there? We all know gymnastics is hard, particularly for a kid, but parents want them to be successful. That is in Chinese' blood, sometimes against kid's will. a culture difference.

To another post, I won't talk about the invasion of Iraq. Just assume the millions of dead Iraqis are living a better life, and there is no other dictator in the world except oil-rich Iraq, and Iraqis are all thankful to the Americans, so are the world. The hatred to Americans is simply just untrue.

To: tired of the bs

I did not say American troops have done some good things to Iraq. I said the war was not based on truth. US gov lied to the world. More than 100,000 people died in the war,
is it better than Saddam regime? Are you responsible for them? Why don't you move your ass to Iraq if you think it is better place than US?

Rule is a rule, if a country submit a team to compete in gymnastics, they are implicitly saying they agreed to the rule of the game. So it is not the fact the girls are young but the fact they broke the rule if they are not yet 16.

However, this is not the first time FIG have looked into this matter. The issue was first raised early this year, FIG cleared the atheletes, raised again right before the game, FIG checked their passport and said okay. Even US gymnastic team said the matter is settled and they are going to focus on the competition instead. Now, when US lost 2 gold to china, come back, and submit a request for investigation. Yes, it does make the USOC looks like sour grape.

I don't personally have an opinion on whether they are underage or not (my philosophy is I don't comment on things I don't know). However, if they are not, the investigation is not going to yield anything. If they are, the chinese government will use all its resource to make sure the truth never get out untl who knows how many years later. Given the central gov't, they can go change anything and everything they want and silence the girl's parents, neighbors, and frieds. Either way the investigation is not going to end in anything and nobody would be satisfied.

Ultimately, IOC/FIG would have to trust the countries aren't cheating and lying about their athelete's age. They can't take webpages over officials documents (no matter what they think) so this investigation is not going to go anywhere and people aren't going to be convinced otherway.

seriously what is with all the bitterness. i feel its the lack of yearning for the better that keeps us ignorant. i think all the china bashing is the jealously they're on their way to become a nation of global domination (f'ing scary). Please check ur facts before spewing out BS. Ages vary from various sports in the Olympics. O yea quit it with the "free tibet" band-wagoning marketing.. I feel as a non-chinese, we should not muddle in their affairs just like would you like outsiders muddling in your private family affairs? hmmmm...

Hey all, aside from the lighter weight there are two other issues. The smaller (younder) have a much smaller foot-print, makes a big difference on the ballance beam, and second, AFTER puberty you have new curves/weights/issues to deal with.

Yes we Americans do hate to lose, but MOST all of us will acknolwedge the winner WON (played better etc) when they play by the rules. Johnson said she didn't think the Chinese gymnasts should be penalized if their is an age issue, she's a true athlete. To the guy who made the comment about Johnsons size (hinting at steroids) you're a JACKASS!

Face it, Chine made a National effort going into these Olympics (had to for the $$ invested) and they will reap the rewards for years to come. Those of you who like to see America lose, you wil love the future... but Johnson's parents had to mortage their house so Johnson could practice, the Chinese on the other hand, get everything handed to them by the GOVT - AND WE STILL HAD THE BETTER TEAM (if you play by the rules.) Don't forget, the one Chinese gymnastic hopeful had her parents house taken away (they live in poverty now) when the child became to sick to continue.

With all the problems we have in America, I'll live here any day over any place in the world, and I still hope that China's GOVT improves conditions for its people, the games are about making the world a better place as much as about who is the best. Sign me JTLavery@aol.com

To some of the Chinese posting here. It's great you can understand and write English. However, the grammar and syntax errors are embarrassing. Please stop posting. I don't speak Mandarin, so I don't post in Chinese forums. With a state controlled media, I don't even know if China has forum posting on news topics. The US media may be far from perfect, but I do know that the Chinese news agencies don't give their own people all available information.

"She(He) doesn't look like 16 or someone who has even had the slightest sign of puberty".

Posted by: Reality Check | August 22, 2008 11:32 AM

Has someone checked to see if there is grass on the field? That would put all this to rest!

I don’t care what passport says about age. Government can make mistake on change age to provide her fake-ticket to Olympic Games. We need to see her (He’) parents, classmates and other people who know her for a long time. I hope Ch gov. didn’t put them all in jail.

There is no way that the average 16-year old Chinese girl is around 80-90 pounds while the American girl is 120-140. But saddly that's the fact - too much double cheese burger/pizza/hotdog and hormones.

The only way the American can get the proof (or confession) is to put He or her parents in Guantanamo and waterboard them (no tortures needed).

Then ABC/NBC/CBS/CNN/FOX will happily announced the breaking news: "American sweethearts got their lost gold medals back from Chinese toddlers."

America has not only a stupid president, but also a stupid/biased media/audience. No wonder it's going downhill and there is no end in sight.

There is no way that the average 16-year old Chinese girl is around 80-90 pounds while the American girl is 120-140. But saddly that's the fact - too much double cheese burger/pizza/hotdog and hormones.

Posted by: have a brain - wll think | August 22, 2008 1:10 PM

I got news for you "have a brain" Shawn Johnson weighs under 90 lbs.

Reply to "To some of the Chinese posting here. It's great you can understand and write English. However, the grammar and syntax errors are embarrassing. Please stop posting. I don't speak Mandarin, so I don't post in Chinese forums. With a state controlled media, I don't even know if China has forum posting on news topics. The US media may be far from perfect, but I do know that the Chinese news agencies don't give their own people all available information."

Your brain is too small to neither learn a foreign language nor even think. That's why you think that America is the center of the universe and Tibet is next by Guantanamo. Chinese internet forums are 10 times bigger.

But you are not alone. 90% of your congress members believed that Bush got the intel of WMD and now regrete so.

Don’t you guys get tired of this crap above?

I propose new rules for the gymnastics.

Moving targets!!!

Every time a gymnast does a skill there is a target that they must hit.

Example: Parallel bars. During this even have a hoopla hoop on strings that the gymnast must either jump through or kick with feet. That will score points.

Pommel horse: An athlete must hit moving targets with their feet the more they hit the higher the score. Extra points for hitting with a hand.

Floor Exercise: So many options there.

Vault: Jump through hoops, then vault, stick the landing. Extra points if you land on a moving target.

That would make gymnastics a much easier event to judge for such countries like Brazil or Ethiopia.

Just a thought…..

Did anyone notice how ugly the Chinese athletes are. They are gross. Chinese are ugly people.

My grandpa always cheats at checkers and there is nothing I can do to stop him!

Where are my endorsements??? These girls are making millions while I have to live on a $20 a week allowance. Where’s the fairness in that!!!!

Reply to "I got news for you "have a brain" Shawn Johnson weighs under 90 lbs."

You still don't have a functional brain. You don't just pick the average girl for gymnastic - hence 70 pounds for the Chinese gymnastic girls and 90-100 pounds for America gymnastic girls.

Go figure one more time.

First off for those of you how keep saying that America cheats too, no we don't, the athletes do. Like 2-3 olympic athletes just gave up their medals recently. But, the Chinese government is cheating, there is a difference so stop trying to compare the two. Secondly, the scoring system, i think it's stupid too. Like the tie breaker rule, if the point of having multiple judges is to try to eliminate a score from one judge that is obviously off, why for the tie breaker are they singling out only a few of the judges scores, isnt that counterproductive. Also, it sure looked like all the judging "errors" went in favor of the Chinese. Seriously, a girl who landed on her knees got bronze, and does anyone remember when the one Chinese girl had 4 or 5 balance checks on the beam and still got a high score. Anyways, the point is that what China has been doing for these olympics is wrong. Telling a girl shes not cute enough to sing on national televsion, teaching KIDS thats its ok to cheat to win, tearing down houses and building walls around communities to give a better appearence. Whats worse, is that the majority of the country doesnt have a problem with it, or the ones that do are too scared to speak out. I saw 6 interviews with people off the street about the girl being a fake, they all thought it was fine. China's ability to have that type of control over their citizens and their huge population make for a scary combo.

Reply to "Did anyone notice how ugly the Chinese athletes are. They are gross. Chinese are ugly people."

Unfortunately the international olympic judges thought otherwise - and believe it or not, these judges are from the countries/races similar to yours.

Just wonder if you ever finished high school.

The so called evidence from an US computer expert is not reliable. In China, computer documentation of personal information is not used. Paper documentation is the main channel.
Just because you think a person looks young, does not he or she is young. If you think a person is quilty, you need to provide evidence (not fabricated evidence).

You still don't have a functional brain. You don't just pick the average girl for gymnastic - hence 70 pounds for the Chinese gymnastic girls and 90-100 pounds for America gymnastic girls.

Go figure one more time.

Posted by: Have a brain - will think | August 22, 2008 1:28 PM

I can’t help it if Americans eat like a bunch of pigs (most are). The Chinese diet is based on fruit and vegetables, not Big Macs. You can’t use the average American (over)weight to judge the rest of the world.

Now go back to feeding your face and watching your TV.

Why was no protest made before the competition? It is a little late to complain after the US girls did not win. Sour grapes, and poor losers.

Hey ChinaNeverRight: What the HELL are you trying to say?!

Personally, the Chinese girls were amazing, but they do look VERY young. I feel sorry for them because it's their GOVERNMENT that might be cheating. Certainly, the girls have worked extremely hard to be that good...just as the Americans have.

One thing: I'm not totally sure, but I believe that the United States is (one of or) THE only country that does not SUBSIDIZE their Olympic teams. The U.S. Team gets funding from corporate sponsors and the public. No government funding. Can't say that for China and many other countries.

Get Real:
You.. Nevermind. Not worth it.
Please do some research on your own...

necessary_proof: I posted the link to that article earlier. I also posted a link to my own screen capture of the document. For me this is simply about the fact that information that was once available, is now being supressed. I don't care how this turns out. I just want all the information out there.
BTW, Strydes company Intrepidus Group got a good write up on their PhishMe product in the 08/04/2008 issue of Computerworld. Page 14 if you are interested.

Again, for anyone that would like to go research this on their own, you may learn something interesting about how searches and web page caching actually work.

For my screen shot you can follow the following:
http://cultofportal.com/he-kexin-bday-scandal.png

The original strydehax article:
http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/hack-olympics.html

To ChinaNeverRight:
OMG, get over yourself. You are obviously so ignorant to the fact of the ruling of Saddam you are clueless as to how he treated his people. No, it was not right to invade on suspecion; however, how the people of Iraq are/were treated is not right, either. Think about it moron before you reply. Imagine walking out into the street and you look in the direction of a male unintentionally(pretend you are female for a moment). You would be stoned to death. Is that the type of life you want to lead? Yea, I didn't think so. And as for your comment on being oil rich, I don't like it either, but you know as well as I do if the oil was elsewhere, we'd have the same problems there.

woo hoo OlympicsLover... where've you been?

to Ankh :

I remember Reuter had this article about Chinese Gymnastic Team fail to make to the final and not tis article is gone, is that prove that we were all dreaming seeing Chinese team in the final???

Oh, and ChinaNeverRight, BTW, my brother fights in this war for my right to say what my opinion is because AMERICAN IS FREE! I hope you have no one in this war fighting for your right because honestly, you don't deserve it you dumbass.

Oh, and I forgot, please stop calling the US sour grapes because we started the investigation. WE DIDN'T. Sorry we want justice...

One thing: I'm not totally sure, but I believe that the United States is (one of or) THE only country that does not SUBSIDIZE their Olympic teams. The U.S. Team gets funding from corporate sponsors and the public. No government funding. Can't say that for China and many other countries.

Posted by: OlympicsLover | August 22, 2008 1:46 PM

True but the US athletes make out far better then any other country. For example Phelps has been receiving over 8 million dollars a year since before the 2004 Olympics. This came from private sponsors and companies signing him for future endorsements. He stands to make over 100 million dollars now.

Athletes from other countries receive little or nothing after their Olympics, they do it for personal and country pride, not money. Most American Olympic athletes dream of fame and huge endorsement deals.

To Sad...
"Phelps has been receiving over 8 million dollars a year since before the 2004 Olympics. This came from private sponsors and companies signing him for future endorsements"
As you quoted, he will be making this money because of sponsors and endorsements. Other countries do this as well so I'm not sure where you get your information.
BTW... everyone dreams of making it big; most of the athletes are children acting as adults. Of course they want to be "known".

Oh, and ChinaNeverRight, BTW, my brother fights in this war for my right to say what my opinion is because AMERICAN IS FREE! I hope you have no one in this war fighting for your right because honestly, you don't deserve it you dumbass.

Posted by: tired of the bs | August 22, 2008 1:57 PM

Sorry to tell you this but, your brother isn’t fighting for the American right to say or do anything. If anything, this war has taken away Americans rights. The war has done nothing to help or secure the United States, to the contrary. Our economy is hurting because of it and country is much less secure.

guy:

Please bother read the article and research something yourself. You will see that you are comparing apples to coconuts...

I am talking about an Excel spreadsheet from the Official Chinese sport.gov.cn servers. I did not take the article's word for it. I went and recreated the search on my own. I have no question of it's validity. That sir, is why I put up my own screen capture before the Baidu cache servers could be purged of the document. The Excel spreadsheet itself WAS located at:
http://www.sport.gov.cn/files/jts/reg2006/zctc.xls
as well as other locations on their servers. If you go to the Baidu search engine, you can still pull up that url CACHED and view it in html... Line 1040

Educating ourselves and determining our own conclusions is ultimately all that matters. I still recommend reading the original Strydex article here:

http://strydehax.blogspot.com/2008/08/hack-olympics.html

Personal Baidu cache screenshot:

http://cultofportal.com/he-kexin-bday-scandal.png

SOUR GRAPES.

BTW... everyone dreams of making it big; most of the athletes are children acting as adults. Of course they want to be "known".

Posted by: get real | August 22, 2008 2:14 PM

This is uniquely an American way of thinking. Meaning, just because you think this way, the rest of the world does too. Athletes from many other countries compete to compete (the way the Olympics is supposed to be) and not to be rich and famous. This mindset is one reason why American is a dying country.

It's now just a question of when, not it, the IOC strips the Chinese of all metals won by underage girls, as we all knew it would be. It will not occur before the closing ceremonies for the same reason the girls in question were not banned before the competition: the IOC does not wish to embarrass the host country that they selected all by themselves.

The Olympic wheels of justice grind slowly at times, but they do grind surely. Ask Marion Jones.

Told you so...
you said it so true, poor Marion Jones... but she did it to herself.

Dear Sad,
You are so one tracked mind you don't see the forest thru the trees.

Regards,
Get Real

P.S. America is a dying country? So explain why EVERY country is trying to get here?

To get real:
P.S. America is a dying country? So explain why EVERY country is trying to get here?
-----------------------------------------

Didn't you see there are many more people going to other countries nowadays?

"EVERY country is trying to get here" -- hahahaha

Nasty Lookin should have the silver medal taken from her for being such a spoil sport. Her face says it all and matches the name. Want to find cheats, look for GWB when he proclaim to the world of WMD in Iraq and the lame reason for dropping bombs on Chinese Embassy in Belgrade based on an old map. One day the Chinese will return the favor with interest added. The western press has no morals trying to fake US leadership by total medal count when it is Gold that matters for country ranking. Shame on America, it is time you get used to losing because it is what you deserve.

bottomline if the olympics were not beijing they would already be disqualified secondly they may be 16 but i doubt it they simply look too young, therefore they should be disqualified. if you are dq'd for running out of lane in the 200m you should be dq'd for being too young. if little lague world series was a scandal than what is this? danny almonte would tell you these girls are way too young for me

Anonymous...
Obviously you are NOT from the great USA.

You are so one tracked mind you don't see the forest thru the trees.P.S. America is a dying country? So explain why EVERY country is trying to get here?

Posted by: get real | August 22, 2008 2:26 PM
I can see fine, the US has already cut down all the trees.

The US is nothing but a bunch of consumers, they manufacture/produce next to nothing. The people used their “freedom” to move manufacturing plants to other countries making the US nothing but a big WalMart. Give it another 10 years and Americans will be fleeing to other countries looking for real jobs.

Anonymous...
Obviously you are NOT from the great USA.

Posted by: get real | August 22, 2008 2:39 PM

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That's it. Evidently you ARE a stupid guy from GREAT USA in YOUR eye.

Anonymous,
You are NOT worth toying with. You are too ignorant and too childish to realize what the "GREAT USA" has to offer. It's because of people like you that make people hate the USA. It's also my brother who fights for your freedome to say such things.

It's also my brother who fights for your freedome to say such things.

Posted by: get real | August 22, 2008 2:52 PM

Again, your brother isn’t fighting for any American citizen’s freedom. We had more freedoms before the war! He’s fighting because he joined the military (for money) and the USA government is telling him to fight. Right or wrong, he has to do whatever they tell him, if not, he goes to jail.

Why name your daughter Nasty Lookin?

He is a She.

hahahahahaha

Why name your daughter Nasty Lookin?

Posted by: Ned K | August 22, 2008 3:05 PM

She looks pretty hot to me. Maybe it's like calling a fat guy skinny.

should have named her Hot Lookin

Hey No Thanks... Go jump off a cliff. You are the dumbass all our soldiers fight for your right to say such stupid things. They do not go to jail if they decide not to fight you idiot. They go to jail if they break the law. Depending on what their skill set is will depend on if they go to war (for one). For another, how DARE you say anything about the military! If it was not for our military, your ass would be speaking German... read your history stupid.

I thought we are big free nation...sick to see this narrow-mindedness. No one has proof that China lied. However, where are the weapons of mass destruction in Irap.

i wonder how many girls named He kexin in China. There are thousands, if not million. He kexin's birth place is Beijing but the girl googled out (DOB 1.1.1994) was from Wuhan, a city thousand miles away from Beijing . what a puzzle? uh. are we wasting the time to talk about wrong girl? Chinese gov should investigate this to clarify this issue. that would make everybody happy even they eventually find the Chinese gym team was cheating. I don't think the government would do such a stupid thing just for two gold medals. i also urge commentators from both countries be calm and friendly. Be "harmony" !

Hey No Thanks... Go jump off a cliff. You are the dumbass all our soldiers fight for your right to say such stupid things. They do not go to jail if they decide not to fight you idiot. They go to jail if they break the law. Depending on what their skill set is will depend on if they go to war (for one). For another, how DARE you say anything about the military! If it was not for our military, your ass would be speaking German... read your history stupid.

Posted by: get real | August 22, 2008 3:21 PM

US soldiers don’t fight for my right to say anything; the First Amendment gives me that right. And a US soldier will go to jail if they refuse to fight or refuse to follow any other order. They are paid puppets who will do and believe anything that the government tells them.

As for speaking German, you need to read up on your history. There is no way to compare what is happening in the Middle East to WWII. A more accurate comparison would be Vietnam and we know how that turned out.

All, no Country has ever given so much to the rest of the world, it's wealth, it's blood, and more importantly it's ideas.
We value no life (ethnic, culture, nationality) assuperior than any other for we are ALL created equal. But in the realm of government we beleive the government exists for the purpose preserving the rights of the individual in pursuit of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

We shouldn't be so quick to call names, or denegrate other peoples, we are one human race. The sooner we accept that, and are tolerant of our unique differences, the sooner we can live in peace and solve the really important problems (not how old is a gymnast or who is the best gymnast) but solving hunger, poverty, and disease.

Mock the USA all you want, but the world is better for us. You say we "don't make anything", well, we have lost many manufacturing jobs overseas, and in return have lower prices in our country and improve the quality of life in those other countries.

President Bush, not "Bush" or "WB", is only a man. He has made decisions the way any other man makes decisions, and he alone has to sleep with those decisions (each family sleeps with the loss or injury of a loved one, but the President sleeps with each loss.)

THERE were in fact WMD in Iraq. Hussein USED THEM!!! Wake up! Hussein also refused to abide by the treaty of his last defeat (shame on us -the USA- for not having finished Guld War I properly) but President Bush had every right to put an end to that tyrant. ( I spent a year in Iraq with the US Army, rebuiling Iraq.)

Also, after 9/11, the USA looked vulnerable, and at that moment, to start a policy of strke first and ask questions later was and is a good idea. If other governments allow (and support) terrorism to abide within their borders, and we feel threatened, watch out.

Fact #1 - Americans are no less "brainwashed" than the Chinese. In fact we are worse in America because we actually don't even realize how oppressed we are and we support oppressing other countries while thinking we are giving them "freedom". Blind ignorance is way worse than forced ignorance.

Fact #2 - China cheated. It's blatantly obvious. Just because America would get the gold doesn't mean anything. Everyone in China knows that their government cheated. America would be whining even if it were another country getting the gold instead. Americans (the people not the govt) are generally good-hearted and we do want things to be fair ALL AROUND.

The Olympics is symbolic of all countries in the world coming together, and albeit competing, at the same time we are all together united peacefully in a similar goal. Cheating, done by probably every single country in the Olympics, completely negates the entire point of the Olympics.

Cheating is nothing more than proving weakness; it is much stronger to play fair and lose by a mile than to cheat and win. The way I see it our species is doomed unless we change our way of thinking as a whole.

all of these age things were cooked up by the traitor and cheater: Bela and Martha. SHAME ON THEM !!!

“All, no Country has ever given so much to the rest of the world, it's wealth, it's blood, and more importantly it's ideas”. Posted by: John Lavery

And that’s why the US is in the position it’s in now. If you give everything away, you’ll soon have nothing.

“are ALL created equal” Posted by: John Lavery

I line goes “all men are equal in the eyes of the Lord”, men see thing differently.

“You say we "don't make anything", well, we have lost many manufacturing jobs overseas, and in return have lower prices in our country and improve the quality of life in those other countries.” Posted by: John Lavery

Again, to the determent of the US and it’s people. We make our enemies stronger while making ourselves weaker.

“President Bush, not "Bush" or "WB", is only a man. He has made decisions the way any other man makes decisions, and he alone has to sleep with those decisions (each family sleeps with the loss or injury of a loved one, but the President sleeps with each loss.)” Posted by: John Lavery

The most disliked man in the US and the rest of the world. WB has to trouble sleeping on the bed of money he’s made for himself and his cronies.

“THERE were in fact WMD in Ira”q. Posted by: John Lavery

WB starting a war saying the had WMD that were a threat to the US. Nothing but a lie from a man who wanted a reason to build a military base in the Middle East.

John - Wake up buddy. Terrorism is a fallacy. Yes terrorist exist and have existed for a very long time. But the "war on terror" is the biggest joke I've ever heard, and the fact that people like you buy into all the BS that our administration throw at you is just plain sad. The more ruckus we stir up, the more terrorism springs up. Just like the "War" on drugs, it is a never-ending war designed as an indefinite money-funnel for big corporations. It is materialistic imperialists like yourself who support this garbage that are in fact ruining humanity and the world alike.
I live in America and enjoy every bit of it, but it sickens me to see other Americans pretend that our way is the right way and everyone else is wrong. America is one of the least happy places on earth. More suicides here per-capita than anywhere else. What a great place to live... where they drug up the entire population and refuse to give its citizens a proper education so they can free themselves. The most powerful country in the world can't even come close to competing with other countries (SUCH AS CHINA) when it comes to education.
America is also the leading cause of the destruction of our own planet by means of pollution and demand for products and supplies that are created from the destruction of this great planet. Other countries are starting to catch up but only because they are starting to mimic America's societal and economic structure. With great power comes great IRRESPONSIBILITY in the case of America.
Money, power, war, indulgence - These are things that ruin humanity; and while individually we are all pretending to be happy little buggers here in America, as a whole we are all just lying to ourselves.

Thank you John Lavery for setting anonymous and others straight, it is much appreciated to have someone on here understand what it means to be American.

And yes Anonymous... we WOULD be speaking German if we lost WWII. Read up on YOUR history. And yes, it is because of our military you are able to express your first amendment rights. Again, read your history. -- I'm done w/ this argument. Please don't belittle yourself or others around you and don't be naive to the world around you.

OMG me again... where in the hell do you get your information? My God if you hate it here so much then do us all a favor & leave!

To: Get Real

I repeat…

US soldiers don’t fight for my right to say anything; the First Amendment gives me that right. They are paid puppets who will do and believe anything that the government tells them. Many are war criminals.

There is no way to compare what is happening in the Middle East to WWII. A more accurate comparison would be Vietnam and we know how that turned out.

ME AGAIN.
You drink your Kool-Aid and I'll drink mine. But don't ask me to believe in man-made global warming oops, I mean global climate change. And if you can find a better country to live in, I'll give you a ride to the airport. Terrorism is a fallacy.. wow, that's some strong kool-aid, radical islam won't be happy until it controls the world, Hitler is reborn as a religious zeal.

Read up on YOUR history. And yes, it is because of our military you are able to express your first amendment rights. Again, read your history. Posted by: get real | August 22, 2008 4:19 PM

“Get Real” do you personally know “Anonymous”? What is it about HIS history that he should read up on? I’m confused…

For the record, your comments also make little sense.

Hitler is reborn as a religious zeal.

Posted by: John Lavery | August 22, 2008 4:27 PM

Yeah, it's your WB!

John - First off I didn't say we caused global warming, just talking about our economy specifically fueling the destruction of otherwise unneeded rain forests, ocean space, etc. Pollution, while obviously contributing to global warming, is doubtfully the main cause. However, it is a main cause of genetic alterations and environmental alterations that kill off thousands if not millions of species of plants, animals, and whatever else that would have otherwise went along their normal paths. To pretend we are not completely overpopulating and fundamentally changing the way the earth operates as a whole is just plain ignorant.
Secondly, Terrorism is a fallacy, (By the way fallacy means: a flawed idea or argument, not what I presume you assumed it to mean: non-existent) it can easily be seen that since we invaded Iraq the numbers of terrorists has exploded. I won't even get into the fact that we originally trained and funded these same terrorist to fight off the soviets.. (wouldn't be surprised if Russia is doing the same to us now). By the way, another interesting point to make is that the total number of deaths from terrorists worldwide in 2001 including the 9/11 attack was far less than the number of people murdered in just New York City alone that same year.. So we went to war against a less deadly enemy than our own selves! Thus, terrorism is a fallacy.
I don't hate our country, I actually think we are the greatest country in the world; but only when the people here pay attention, do their own research and make their own decisions instead of believing in captain drug addict Rush Limbaugh or captain conspiracy theorist Michael Moore. Our government has gone a long way from serving the people, and I just want Americans to take back control of this country again. We need to stop dividing ourselves and start compromising and making some sense again.

I thought this blog was about how dumb gymnastics is, especially its scoring system.

And a correction: America does not have the highest suicide rate, actually we are pretty low at about 50th out of 178 in that field, but our "Happiness" ranking is at 150 of 178 (Yes I know this is obviously skeptical). However, it does seem fairly pathetic considering we are given so many more opportunities for success than a majority of the rest of the world.

This post is about cheating in gymnastics, which leads to the overall idea of cheating in the Olympics as a whole. However, even that is minimalistic view of the overall point: Why do we cheat in something as sacred as the Olympics, and what, if any, should be or will be the consequences for doing so. The consequences can be imposed by the Olympic governing committee, but also the consequences may come in the form of the unseen destruction of trust and true gamesmanship worldwide. This then can be reflected in many other ways through many other facets of normal life here on the planet. Therefore, there really is no identifiable topic of this blog. Mostly what I'm trying to say is that we have obviously already jumped off the edge of the slippery slope.

OUR FREEDOM GIVES YOU 'PEOPLE' THE RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT OF YOUR ASSES!!
GO TEAM USA! YOU'RE NUMBER 1!!!
China cheated... get over it! It will probably never be proven nor will it ever be posted that it happened. If they were not the host country, I'm positive that it would have been overturned by now. American's have also cheated (Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong just to name a few). Everyone is equally guilty.
If you disagree w/ the war, that is your opinion and it should only matter to you. Don't voice it as if it is THE ONLY way. You can also speak w/ your local representative about it (not that it will help out much, but it is your right to speak to them on how you feel). And... if you want to put an end to the war, GO GET ON THE FRONT FREAKING LINE!!!