If Your Shoes Could Talk

This has been a serious week here on the blog. Appropriately so, in a week when the topics have been the Virginia Tech murders, safety at work, home and school, and whether moms are sacrificing our financial future in the quest to be the perfect parent to our children.

But it's Friday, and we've got to talk light. So, today, we're going to dig into...shoes. And I promise I'm going to work in the word "balance" at least three times, so no complaining that this entry is off-topic.

A woman from New York City who worked with me at The Washington Post persuaded me a few years ago that a woman's shoes tell you everything about her personality and her approach to life. I've never looked at my shoes the same way again. I went right out and bought a pair of sexy high-heeled clogs with fake fur on them -- and the only time I wore them I lost my balance and performed an involuntary somersault in front of my boss.

I went back to my true self: two pairs of black pumps with solid, low heels, one pair beige, one pair navy blue. In other words, the most boring shoes a woman could own. But here's what they say about me: I don't want you to notice my shoes. I want you to remember what I say, what I think, what I accomplish. And I absolutely, positively need shoes you can run down the stairs in, shoes you can wear when holding a child on each hip, shoes that give me balance.

I remember another woman from The Post advertising department, a delightfully unbalanced, highly creative sales rep who won a prestigious company award at a quarterly sales meeting. She was always a snappy dresser, especially dazzling on days when she could strut at department-wide meetings. As she went up the aisle to accept her check, another sales rep call out, "She should win an award just for her shoes!" They belonged on the cover of Vogue Magazine -- brown snakeskin, 3 or 4 inch heels, and she moved like a racehorse in them.

What kind of shoes do you wear? What does this say about you? Can you balance in four-inch heels? What about your kids' shoes? What about men and shoes? Does this shoe-Rorshach test theory apply to you? If your shoes could talk, what would they tell us about you?

By Leslie Morgan Steiner |  April 20, 2007; 7:00 AM ET  | Category:  Free-for-All
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First!

My shoes must make my feet feel comfortable. Thus, sensible shoes, and no leather, because I'm vegetarian.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 7:04 AM

I am on my feet all day at work so I have to wear sneakers with orthotics (the pirce you pay for being a nurse is almost always sore feet). Other than that I am a slip-on clog girl all the way, even in the winter.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 7:27 AM

I have three pairs of shoes; the ones I wear to work, the ones I wear around the house, and the ones I wear when I do my walking in the morning. All of them are comfortable and functional, not fancy or pretentious.

Sort of like me, in fact.

Posted by: John L | April 20, 2007 7:28 AM

KLB, I think an important point is that shoes should above all not impede the ability to do a job to the best of one's ability. Nor should they distract others.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 7:29 AM

catlady,
I would look pretty funny in stilletos and scrubs (sounds like a goodname for a rock band).

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 7:36 AM

KLB -- LOL!

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 7:39 AM

I'm due in late August-- any recommendations for a supportive shoe that won't make my feet too hot?

My current shoes are closed toe leather clogs with an ankle strap. they are a bit beat up looking. this blog has inspired me to get them cleaned and polished!

Posted by: Jen | April 20, 2007 7:41 AM

Since I eat meat, I can only wear leather shoes.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 7:43 AM

I don't get this whole shoe thing with women (my daughters included. I go barefoot whenever possible which is many months a year down here. Otherwise, I have my New Balance 498's on.

(Did wear my army boot to clean the mud out of the house. I have had these for 34 years!)

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 7:44 AM

On a serious note: One problem is that the visual media are incessantly bombarding us with images of attractive -- but impractical and uncomfortable -- shoes, especially very high heels for women, in hopes of selling us more shoes than we need (I was guilty in the past, but wised up), and more sensible ones than are healthful for our feet. E.g., most of us have probably known people who have had to undergo bunion surgery to correct foot damage caused by a history of improperly fitting shoes. Plus, sore feet distract people from doing their best work, and make it harder to maintain a pleasant disposition.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 7:45 AM

Oh, Father of 4 -- you cannibal, you!

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 7:49 AM

fascinating! my shoes really are a reflection of my personality. clogs in winter, birks or flipflops the rest of the time. sneakers to work out in. dive boots for, well, diving. and one old dusty pair of black pumps that gets trottted out whenever dress shoes are needed. DH on the other hand, is the male imelda marcos. how many men need three pairs of ox blood colored shoes? will have to think about what that says about him...

of course, back when i was "super consultant, able to leap small federal agencies in a single bound...." I had a closet full of pumps. but there was always a pair of birks in my desk drawer or carry-on.

Posted by: allergymom | April 20, 2007 7:50 AM

to jen:

try crocs - butt ugly, but very comfortable. just be aware that 1) you may need to buy a bigger size in the 3rd trimester and 2) if you're lucky, that bigger size will be too big again by october. best of luck!

Posted by: allergymom | April 20, 2007 7:54 AM

Erratum: Sentence should read, in part, "in hopes of selling us... LESS sensible" shoes. Must drink more tea.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 7:54 AM

"I had a closet full of pumps. but there was always a pair of birks in my desk drawer or carry-on."

What's a birk?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 7:59 AM

At work, I wear a sort of contemporary loafter most days. At home, I've got Dansko clogs in three colors, Birkenstocks, Tevas, Crocs and sneakers. Also a few pairs of black summer sandals from Target.

I admire women who wear daring (or darling) shoes. I wish I had the fashion sense to put together a wardrobe -- heck, one outfit -- that I felt absolutely stunning in. I probably focus too much on comfort.

I think I need a makeover!

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 8:00 AM

In my building, there are a lot of gals and a couple of guys that have Payless Shoe stores under their desks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:00 AM

My friend and I once counted up 1/2 dozen pairs of flip flops, three or four pairs of heeled sandals in my closet... does this say I'm from a shore area and hate closed toe shoes? ;-) Even into late fall I prefer sling-backs or slip ones without socks. When winter comes I cave in and wear the same pair of heeled boots until I can go back to sandals.

Posted by: Product a Working Mother | April 20, 2007 8:00 AM

Have I stumbled onto Hax's discussion this morning?

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 8:01 AM

What's a birk?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 07:59 AM

birks = Birkenstocks

Posted by: allergymom | April 20, 2007 8:05 AM

http://www.birkenstockusa.com/

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:06 AM

Fred,

Anybody!For the love of heaven, please change the topic!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:08 AM

When I was working, my shoes were a sucession of loafers, slingbacks or mules, usually from Target or Payless. I'd wear the same pair until they wore out, then get a new one. I never did get the knack of using shoes as an accessory.

Now, I still wear Target loafers in the witertime (though they're getting harder to find and more expensive), and slides in the summertime. I've never paid more than $70 on a pair of shoes, and I don't really understand the point of paying hundreds of dollars on shoes that, while cute, only go with one or two outfits.

Posted by: NewSAHM | April 20, 2007 8:09 AM

thanks Allergymom! I work in a pretty conservative office, but if there is ever a good excuse to wear "Whatever works" 9 months preg in August in DC should be it!

Posted by: Jen | April 20, 2007 8:11 AM

"you cannibal, you!"

Catlady, I don't think my shoes are made from pigskin, but maybe so. Oink! :-)

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 8:11 AM

Ladies, in this day and age, with many MUCH, MUCH more serious world and local events taking place, a blog dedicated to women*s shoes is furthur confirmation of my suspicions. Most, not all, American women are far too shallow, self-absorped, flighty, flakey and fluffy to be taken seriously. This lifelong bachelor hopes you enjoy your shoes! Opps, I meant, day.

Posted by: Dave | April 20, 2007 8:11 AM

To WorkingMomX: It sounds like you're doing fine just the way you are (sorry if I sound too Fred Rogers here, but he was on to something good!).

I must confess the last time I wore daring (or darling) shoes was to a dressy party on Y2K Eve -- black velvet stilettos, really hot looking! But even before midnight my poor toes were already bleeding, so I had to take the shoes off for the duration of the evening, and it was agony incarnate to have to force them back onto my feet in order to walk just to/from the car when leaving the party and arriving home. The only good thing to come from all this is that I've finally learned my lesson and never worn those shoes, or any of similar discomfort, again, because it's simply not worth it.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 8:13 AM

Fred,

Anybody!For the love of heaven, please change the topic!!!!!

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 08:08 AM

Change of topics are not allowed until 10:00 a.m. but I do have a topic in mind!

(Sorry, Leslie, but shoes do nothing for me!)

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 8:13 AM

Father of 4, I never called you a pig. Leather shoes are made from a variety of dead animals, not just porcines.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 8:14 AM

If the "What Not to Wear" crew could take one look at my shoe closet, I'd be, well, a shoe-in. (Gad, that was bad, even for me).

For work, I have one pair each of plain black and brown boots for winter, and one pair each of plain black and brown sandals for summer. Plus one pair of very low-heeled black pumps for when I need to wear a skirt.

Outside of work, it's Tevas or tennies in summer and the same black and brown boots in winter, with one pair of real clodhoppers for the snow. Oh, and running shoes for, you know, running.

I do own one pair of shoes that I am inordinately proud of: red leather half-boots with 2" heels. Unfortunately, first time I wore them, I had to run for a train, tripped, and fell on my face in the middle of traffic (the big loop in front of Union Station). That would pretty much be par for the course for me. Now they have a little gouge in the toe, but since they're still 10x hotter than anything else I own, I still wear them on date night with my husband.

Yeah, and unfortunately, my shoes do say a lot about me. Namely that I'm cheap and suck at fashion -- and that I'm just not willing to subject myself to torture for the sake of looking cute. It's funny, because I'm totally not a beige person (either personality or clothing-wise), but it's so hard to find comfortable shoes that it just doesn't seem worth the effort.

I do, however, own a killer hot pink Coach purse, if that makes up for anything. :-)

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 8:14 AM

PS -- MN, just answered your question on yesterday's blog (didn't want to distract from the critical shoe issue here today).

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 8:17 AM

I would never hire a person that wore loafers!

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 8:17 AM

Dave - I'm shocked - shocked, I say! - to discover that you are a bachelor.

Posted by: Hmm . . . | April 20, 2007 8:17 AM

I think I need a makeover!

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 08:00 AM

UGH! Me too. I am really picky about what clothes and shoes I wear - comfort is number one but I have some boots and other "cool" shoes that require "cool" outfits - that I can't put together. I am missing the connective gene that puts the shoes together with fun but practical outfits.

Needless to say my favorite show is "What Not to Wear." It makes me feel a little bit better about myself.

Posted by: cmac | April 20, 2007 8:18 AM

Dave, please don't despair about us women as a sex, because I think you are generally correct. Shoes have gotten way overblown as a focus of fashion attention and expense. In the name of *balance* I would like to point out that money saved by eschewing (groan) excessive shoe costs can be far more productively put to other uses -- whether added to savings or investments, or applied to higher priority family expenses, or to philanthropic causes. Truce?

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 8:20 AM

OT to Laura- just wait until your daughter becomes a budding fashionista and comments on your shoes/clothes. I nearly fell over laughing while reading Kristin Armstrong's column in runner's world where her 5 year old tell hers running clothes are for running and pretty clothes are for walking on the town and to stop wearing her running clothes all the time. ;-)

Posted by: Product of a Working Mother | April 20, 2007 8:21 AM

IN DEFENSE OF THE WORD CR*AP
From yesterday's pottymouth stats

If anyone can suggest a clean word that packs as much punch as cr*p, please do so before I cr*p out!

Posted by: Elaine | April 20, 2007 8:26 AM

Timely, I bought 7 pairs of shoes in the past three days. Well, 5 pairs, with two double to stick in the closet. My black flat loafer-like shoes (no tassles, just slip-ons). Good for standing up in all day, and for slipping on and off as I go into shoe-less daycare, etc. Then three different pairs of fun sneakers - one royal blue, one lilac and pink and a pair of pink with rhinestones and a satin pink breast cancer ribbon sewn into the side. Just perfect for the breast-cancer walk! And a pair of sandals.
Personally, I hate backless shoees like clogs.
And, hey, balance includes being silly and frivolous sometimes! All work and no play....

Posted by: inBoston | April 20, 2007 8:29 AM

"...just wait until your daughter becomes a budding fashionista and comments on your shoes/clothes..."

My daughters do this to me all the time. I receive specific instructions of what I am to wear and what vehicle I am to drive. (never the creepy van) Once in a while, I actually do as they request just to humor them.

Frieda has totally given up on me in this respect.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 8:30 AM

OT to Product of a Working Mother: Oh, we're already there. She is a total girly-girl -- wants to be "fancy" all the time. True, though frightening, story: for my birthday this year, my mother took her to Chico's. Within 5 minutes, my 5-yr-old had pulled together an outfit for me, instructing the saleswoman that this shirt goes under that one and that this necklace ties it all together. And honestly, that outfit looks better than anything else I own -- it's my favorite thing to wear!!

So, clearly, the next chore to add to her sticker chart is to do Mommy's clothes shopping for her. :-)

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 8:31 AM

"...just wait until your daughter becomes a budding fashionista and comments on your shoes/clothes..."

My daughter has never been a useless parasite. Why is yours?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:34 AM

Shoes are a fantastic way to show personality and my closet(s) of shoes help me express every mood - from blue Crocs to four inch cork stilletos to my old trusty Nike sneakers. And there's nothing wrong with 30 pair of black shoes - flats, spikes, wedges, mules, clogs, slides and much more. My feet are never bored. :)

Posted by: shoecrazywoman | April 20, 2007 8:35 AM

Dying from lack of itellectual stimulation...

Must find book...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:37 AM

You are such a tool.

Posted by: To shoecrazywoman | April 20, 2007 8:37 AM

I confess -- I LOVE "What Not to Wear" -- and I always learn something! I've actually made shoe purchases based on their recommendations (most recently, a pair of fashion sneakers - vs. athletic sneakers).

I've also disposed of shoes based on their recommendations. (They told the lady wearing those cool German felt clogs that they looked like bedroom slippers and made her look like a bag lady. Got rid of mine that day!)

I own way too many pair of shoes. But lately I've been wondering. Are clogs considered no longer fashionable? (I only have five pairs in my closet, included a ridiculous pair of high-heeled clogs that I never wear.)

Posted by: Armchair Mom | April 20, 2007 8:38 AM

Is there really a "Guns for Jesus" movement?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:40 AM

I like the light topic. This week has generally been very depressing and I need something to cheer me up.

I'm not a big shoe person, but I like my 2-1/2" black stiletto heels on a day to day basis. On weekends, I'm a sneaker kind of girl.

Jen - I've been there (8 months prego in DC in August) and found that comfortable 1" heels did the trick. Flats were to hard on my back and anything higher is just not a good idea when you are that pregnant.

Posted by: londonmom | April 20, 2007 8:40 AM

Is there really a "Guns for Jesus" movement?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 08:40 AM


Could be. But that's no endorsement, only an observation on the wide array of movements.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 8:43 AM

In lieu of cr*p: feculence:
full of dregs or fecal matter; foul, turbid, or muddy

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 8:49 AM

My old set of shoes would say:

"Hey! Chas used to be athletic and buff and genetically blessed with really long legs and she loved occasionally wearing us 2" and 3" stiletto heels in fabulous colors to show them off. Oh - and she lived near Potomac Mills when it first opened and wears a size 6, so she made a killing collecting us..."

My current set of shoes would say:

"So after Chas realized her ankle ligaments were pretty weak, twisted one knee, and damaged her hip joints during paleo field work (turns out those long legs had a few problems), she now has a few pairs of us "Spanish" square-heeled pumps no higher than 2" (and don't forget us riding boots over here!). The colors are all navy and black and dark brown, since she had to pay an arm and leg for us because finding chunky heeled pumps and flat-heeled boots over the past 10 years has not been easy, and she had to pay an arm and a leg for them."

Posted by: Chasmosaur | April 20, 2007 8:51 AM

Armchair mom - I have a pair of "fashion sneakers" too - they are just old-school reeboks but they are black and white and look great with jeans. I also have several pairs of clogs, one high-heeled pair I got on clearance at Marshall's (10$!) that are very hip but I have not worn.

Sounds like our shoes collections are similar, as is our love for "What not to wear" - I think Clinton and Stacey are a hoot.

Posted by: cmac | April 20, 2007 8:52 AM

But Leslie, can't we PLEASE talk about daycare, or taxes again instead??? ;-P

Laura, you made me proud with the shoe-in pun. :-)

What kind of shoes do you wear? Black professional shoes to work,
Nike cross trainers the rest of the time (simply because they are the most comfortable, longest lasting, and versatile shoes- and you can run in them)... oh and tall boots to the renaissance faire. ;-)

What does this say about you? That I wear shoes.
Can you balance in four-inch heels? Never tried, never will.
What about your kids' shoes? N/A
What about men and shoes? I could care less- As long as my shoes are comfortable and serve their purpose.
Does this shoe-Rorshach test theory apply to you? Gosh, I guess it means I have serious anger issues.
If your shoes could talk, what would they tell us about you? "HELP, he stepped in poo when he was walking the dog!!!" j/k

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 8:53 AM

If work or weddings demand it, high heels. Otherwise, red sneakers. As it turns out, they go with everything.

I regard high heels as fascist tools of footbondage designed to discipline women's bodies. My grammas have bunions and my mom got plantar faciitis from them. But sometimes they look so pretty that I can't resist....

Posted by: Rita | April 20, 2007 8:54 AM

There is such a thing as "fashion sneakers"? I guess that's what you'd call the pink and teal things my baby fashionista picked out for herself for this summer.

This annoys the bejeebers out of me. I mean, if there was one thing you didn't have to worry about how it looked, it was sneakers -- you could have white with stripes, white with swoosh, white with Ns, white with squiggle, whatever, but it was all about fit and function. Now those have to be cute, too? Dangit! If even my tennies have to be fashionable, there is truly no hope for me.

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 8:57 AM

oh, and I can not forget my old mil boots- definitely one of the few things that the gov't actually designed right, and for a decent price! They really do last forever...

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 8:58 AM

To Chris: You didn't like my "eschewing" pun? (sniffle, sniffle)

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 8:58 AM

My shoe choices reflect the fact that I was working in my downtown govt office on Sep 11, and walked all the way home (5 miles?) because I was scared to use the metro. Fortunately, I was wearing comfortable shoes that day.

Add to that the fact that my kids are now in the day care center in my building- basically, I only wear shoes that I could walk home in while carrying a kid. So I'm not going to win any fashion awards!

Posted by: randommom | April 20, 2007 8:59 AM

My best purchase ever was a pair of stretchy black Aerosoles knee boots with square 2" heels. I almost balked at the $50 price tag, but it was the best fifty bucks I ever spent. Comfy enough to run stairs in, sharp enough to turn heads when paired with a knee-length skirt. I've had them for years and have nearly worn them out.

And if my husband with his PhD in physics can spend hours playing video games, I guess I'm entitled to take a break from reading tax law for a fluffy moment of rhapsodizing about footwear.

Posted by: These boots are made for . . . | April 20, 2007 9:00 AM

This will sound counterintuitive, but I don't wear those high, fashionable heels because I am short - 5'1". If I wear a 4" heel, I only get up to 5'5", which isn't worth suffering for. I suppose that if I could go from 5'6" to 5'10" I would do it.

Also, the manufacturers don't seem to proportion the heel to the size of the shoe. I wear a size 5. My foot looks just as sexy with a 2.5" heel as someone with a size 9 foot looks with 4" heel. But they don't give me that 2.5" heel,they just stick the 4" heel on my little size 5 shoe, making them much more difficult to walk in and way more uncomfortable.

I still wear cute shoes, but I'm not wasting my time trying to look like I'm walking the red carpet when I'm walking down the hall in my office.

Posted by: Alexandria, VA | April 20, 2007 9:00 AM

"oh and tall boots to the renaissance faire. ;-)"

Chris, you make me proud. I suspect this is the year that we cave and get some type of costume for the girl. And perhaps that means I can get some of those really super-cool boots for myself -- I mean, I'd just be supporting my daughter, right???

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 9:01 AM

Rita wrote: "I regard high heels as fascist tools of footbondage designed to discipline women's bodies."

You're right. After all, that was part of the purpose of Chinese foot-binding -- to render girls into women whose purpose in life would be as potential decorative property, not to mention seriously hobbled.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 9:01 AM

Thanks for the reminder Chris, I too still have my original combat boots from basic training and all the years that followed. They still fit like a glove.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 9:02 AM

catlady, shoet, I came in late and didn't catch it. ;-)

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 9:02 AM

Shoes & balance. After many years of living in New York, I have a LARGE collection of shoes that go from work to school events to dinners out. They tend to have 2 to 2 1/2 inch heels, and I have them in a huge range of black! Seriously, I have black, blue, beige and all sorts of variations in slingback, heeled loafer, pumps, etc. The key is to buy basic shoes & hold onto them--they will stay in style if you don't get too trendy. At home I wear slippers.

Posted by: ex-NYer | April 20, 2007 9:04 AM

"to render girls into women whose purpose in life would be as potential decorative property, not to mention seriously hobbled."
And? I mean, what is the big deal here? It's not like they won't be barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen anyway, right? ;-P

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 9:05 AM

Thanks Londonmom!

The comment about daughters being fashion advisors reminds me of me son-- he loves to advise me on what to wear!

A few days ago he highly recommended that I wear a pair of dangly gold earrings that he had picked out for Mother's Day. That night, while reading to him in bed, he started cooing to me, very softly and sweetly, "pretty, pretty- SOOOO pretty" while gently touching my earrings.

Shocked by such tender emotion from my generally stoic lttile guy I said "wow! Thanks, sweety!"

He said "shhh . . . I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to the earrings."

Posted by: Jen | April 20, 2007 9:05 AM

"Rita wrote: "I regard high heels as fascist tools of footbondage designed to discipline women's bodies."

Yes, and some folks are into that.

Looking forward to Saturday's key party.

See you there!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 9:07 AM

Jen, when he starts rubbing his hands together and repeating "my precious" in a raspy hobbit voice, it is time to seek help. ;-)

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 9:12 AM

To Chris: Whether barefoot and pregnant in poverty, or hobbled (by footbinding or hurtful shoes) and pregnant -- just different manifestations of oppression and disenfranchising of women.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 9:13 AM

Comfort is first, but good design is a close second. I have favorite European and US comfort brands--Think!, Helle Comfort, 1803, Finn Comfort--which fit, are comfortable, and unusual. I have work-type shoes and sandals from them, no pumps, and no narrow or high heels, but beautiful These shoes have more padding than Birks, and this helps my aging feet. I have narrow heels, so backless shoes work best. Otherwise, the shoes keep slipping on the heel. Red shoes are a great accessory and make me smile when I wear them.

Then for home and running around I have New Balance slip-ons. For dog-walking, various water-proof and poop-proof slip-ons.

I'm generally serious and professional at work, and well-respected, but I also love shoes and am enjoying this topic today! Thanks for some fun in this very depressing week

Posted by: rosieindiana | April 20, 2007 9:16 AM

What a topic! This may surprise everyone, but I really love shoes. Anne Klein is my absolute favorite shoe designer. If I could, I would buy every pair of shoes she makes, but I am far too responsible for that. This week I bought my daughter a pair of light weight shoes that look like rubber. She loves them. I picked up a sensible pair of flat sneakers that are light green with plaid trim. I like shoes way to much.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 9:16 AM

KLB-feculence is now my word of the day, if not my CTOTD. I love good words.

shoes are indeed a window to my sole (sorry, I couldn't resist it). Tennis shoes almost constantly, but I have a pair of wonderful snappy non-boring pumps I can actually run in when I need to run for whenever tennis shoes don't work (which is a lot of places come to think about it).

Posted by: dotted | April 20, 2007 9:17 AM

Scarry-most designer shoes run narrow imho. Is that true for Anne Klein? I have slightly wider than normal squarish feet so most designer shoes are out out out.

I'm ready for a Nordstrom's run. Anybody else? Just to see what is there, of course.

Posted by: dotted | April 20, 2007 9:19 AM

nobody seems to be talking about the guys here, so I'll post my thoughts. I've long held that you can often tell a guy's sexuality through his shoes. while it's certainly more difficult on a coast, gay men are far more likely to wear whatever's popular, right now, it's the skinny wrestling-like shoe with lots of bright colors. a few years ago, it was dress shoes with jeans. now all the straight guys are wearing dress shoes with jeans. flip flops were huge last summer for everyone, but the straight guys usually wore shoes thatt were older, less colorful, less nice in general.

these are stereotypes of course, but they often hold true.

Posted by: napkin | April 20, 2007 9:19 AM

Feculence - I like it. Except the sound of it is making me nauseaous. Much more nauseaous than crap would...

Nope. Today, crap is making me nauseaous too. But feculence seems to have a slightly greater effect.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 9:20 AM

The words "shoe", "boot", "pumps", "clogs", and "heels" appear 724 times by 363 different contributors.

Our top 10 fashion queens for this blog listed below:

8 Lizzie
8 Megan
10 dotted
10 Meesh
11 Emily
11 foamgnome
13 cmac
13 Fred
13 Laura
15 Megan's Neighbor
25 Father of 4

You knew it was coming, didn't you?

Posted by: Blog Stats | April 20, 2007 9:21 AM

I buy her shoes at Macys or Dillards. I think she does have some wider shoes. You can also find them on sale at TJMax.

If you buy her shoes that kind of point towards the toe, then yes, they are very narrow. I wear a size 8 shoe, but I have some pretty long toes, so those shoes hurt my feet. She makes really nice flats and sandal too. Really these days I wear house shoes most of the time.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 9:22 AM

I'm thinking that the Blog Stats statatistics are bogus. I have no recollection whatsoever of ever mentioning shoes, heels, clogs, boots, or pumps. Blog Stats, are you making this stuff up?

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 9:23 AM

Are you single? A person who's married or in a dedicated relationship has no reason to care about what you write, except as a warning to others not to be like you.

Posted by: To napkin | April 20, 2007 9:25 AM

Nauseous means nauseating. You mean nauseated, don't you?

Posted by: To Emily | April 20, 2007 9:26 AM

I have always enjoyed great shoes, but since becoming a Mommy, I do it even more. Many colored slingbacks, sandals, and pumps (all high heeled of course). I have yet to regain my former clothes size, so I channel all the oomph I can for my work outfits into the shoes. At home, barefoot all the way!

Posted by: If the shoes fit... | April 20, 2007 9:32 AM

I am a bit dubious of Blogs Stats today. Pumps, clogs and heels? I don't thing I have ever used those words.

( Wait a minute, I am having a revelation)

I pump my fist at B.S. because he clogs this blog with useless info and he can be a heel!

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 9:33 AM

did i say something wrong? why should others not be like me? is it bad to talk about guy's shoes?

Posted by: napkin | April 20, 2007 9:34 AM

to napkin,
Don't worry - there are always those who critique everything. The topic is shoes - not women's shoes!

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 9:35 AM

Napkin it is the nature of the blog for people to say mean stuff. Say what you want and don't worry about it.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 9:36 AM

Other men's sexual orientation is irrelevant unless one is unattached and ISO a man.

Posted by: To napkin | April 20, 2007 9:36 AM

I am curious -- what's the most anyone's ever paid for shoes/boots? I paid $118 for a pair of Uggs (see, I'm kind of trendy, but sadly, the reason I bought them was utterly practical -- my feet are always cold in the winter). I justified this by telling myself they would last for years, and they have.

My younger sister has paid almost $300 for shoes, which I thought were hideously ugly in a fashionista way. They looked like something out of the Lorax. Does anyone own Manolos or anything like that?

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 9:36 AM

Manolos. Bwaaaahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 9:38 AM

The most I ever paid was 100.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 9:39 AM

I used to use that "barefoot and pregnant" phrase until I actually got pregnant - then I was so discouraged to find out that walking around barefoot hurt! I have fuzzy slippers for that now. Normal shoes - these days, generally either brown Rockport walking shoes or life-saving black SAS slip-ons (kind of loafer-like). Both frumpy, I'm sure, but they have arch support and padding and I'm comfy. I will admit to two pairs of heeled Aerosoles slides that I wear when not pregnant, but comfort is priority number 1. I own one pair of black strappy sexy shoes, but they've been worn maybe half a dozen times, all on dates with my husband. Why would I need more than that?

Posted by: SPC | April 20, 2007 9:39 AM

Pregnant in August - been there, done that! I agree with the poster that suggested 1" heels. When my boss saw my scary looking feet and ankles, I had permission to violate the hose/sock dress code and just wore comfy (wide) slides so I could kick my shoes off under my desk and put them up. (and frankly put ice packs on them when they got too painfully swollen). Best of luck to you and keep your feet up as much as possible.

Posted by: Robin L. | April 20, 2007 9:46 AM

I paid $140 for the best pair of tennis shoes I've ever had. I also played the best tennis in them and it was the shoes...he he he.

Otherwise: max is 200$ AU for these awesome black/brown tigerish striped pumps that are awesome. Still fashionable 8 years later and earning many "I love those shoes" after all these years.

Posted by: dotted | April 20, 2007 9:48 AM

Hi everybody, it's been awhile.

Good Men's shoes are way more expensive than most people (including Proud Mama) expect.

However, the reason for this is that if you take care of them (buff, shine, heels repaired etc.) they will last for years. Like a baseball glove.

Bostonians, Mephistos, Rockports...Wingtips & CapToes...lace ups only. And for the single guys -- I don't think there are any on this board -- women do seem to notice guys in expensive shoes...)

I think it says good things about me. I only have to buy new formal/business shoes every 5-6 years, as opposed to the cheap shoes wearing out after 1-2.

Posted by: Proud Papa | April 20, 2007 9:50 AM

I confess, I'm a complete shoes and bags lady. To my credit, I'm always getting complements for both. Ladies, comfortable shoes don't have to be hideous and sexy shoes don't have to be stilettos!

Posted by: MV | April 20, 2007 9:55 AM

Proud Papa-I concur with women noticing guys in expensive shoes. Women practically crawl over my husband whenever he wears anything in his special shoe collection. Sad to say, his collection is better than mine.

I just laugh.

Posted by: dotted | April 20, 2007 9:56 AM

Australian elastic-sided boots. They're the shoes I wear when I'm missing my old army boots.

Posted by: worker bee | April 20, 2007 9:58 AM

Lands End all weather mocs in the winter, and flip-flops as soon as it is warm enough to wear them.

I do get a lot of feedback from more stylish friends that I should wear heals more often, and I do have knee high boots that are cool (not racy, but conservative sexy) that I like to use to dress up a suit.

As for my daughter, I try to do the more feminine look - Lands End all weather mocs in mary jane style... red :)

Does anyone buy their children the expensive boutique shoes? I feel guilty for not getting the $50 Ecco shoes for summer

Posted by: single mom | April 20, 2007 9:58 AM

ha! mens shoes! If you're at the upper end of the women's shoe sizes and you're getting a fairly universal shoe like a Teva, buy it in a men's design. They last like 3x as long, are way more comfortable (they aren't in purple, but you can usually get them in blue, green or black) Same with flat dress shoes that you can wear with a suit. I'm 'blessed' with womens 12 on the wide side sized feet and we've discovered for hiking boots, tevas, and other standard things that Mens stuff lasts way longer, is built better, and you tend to be able to get it on clearance since womens' feet are on the smaller end so they have leftovers. We've bought my mom who has really WIDE feet boys shoes a few times for hiking boots (oh the mothers who stare at her like a pedophile) but it ends up being supercheap, and boys boots are incredibly tough.

if only that had stuff that was cute at DSW that wasn't like 5" heels!

Posted by: ljb | April 20, 2007 10:01 AM

Admission - I love shoes. I have too many shoes. And I have shoes for each "compartment" of my life. And I spend way too much on them. Most expensive? $220 for a pair of black pumps but I'll wear them forever. For work, pumps, pumps and more pumps. In the winter, boots and pumps. I sacrifice comfort for fashion on a daily basis and have beautiful shoes that kill my feet but I wear them anyway. I have recently bought shoes with a 2 inch heel but before I started seriously running, and seriously worried about protecting my knees, I was a 3 inch or higher gal. I'm 5'2" on a good day with an ever-growing 13 year old but even the 3 inch heels aren't enough anymore. I even bought a pair of fashionable flats for the spring - but they hurt my feet too! Evenings and weekends are clogs and tevas or borne or dansko sandals. Running, I alternate between 3 pairs of high stablility shoes. I favor asics but also choose based on how the shoe feels rather than the brand. Pregnant, I needed a heel or my back hurt more. Go figure. Sunday is my first half-marathon, after which I plan to wear nothing but slippers :-)

Posted by: Stacey | April 20, 2007 10:01 AM

I just got my first pair of Italian leather shoes. Worth every penny for style and comfort.

I agree that comfort is important -- nobody wants to see their attorney limping into court. But I take pride in my appearance and feel that what I wear says a lot about who I am. Accordingly, I go to great lengths and many stores to find a balance between style and comfort. I'm just not ready to be a "one-inch heel" type of person.

Posted by: lawgirl | April 20, 2007 10:02 AM

Close to $100. Tie betweein either Nikes for running or top grade leather mil-spec boots I got on clearance. I already had broken them in so I snuck them into officer training and didn't have to work as hard to get them shiny (been there and done that already). And before anyone asks- Of course I always helped everyone else without experience get their boots and shoes nice and shiny, taught them how to make their rack, etc as I knew what would potentially happen if I looked good and nobody else did. ;-P

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 10:02 AM

Emily;

Since your preggo, Let me refresh your memory a little:

draft_dress_for_success

"Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."

This makes me feel guilty because I don't do this at all. I have lots of cute shoes at home, but I wear tennis shoes to the office everyday because they're the only shoes I feel safe driving in.

I also wear the same pair of jeans almost every day to work. Jeans are usually non-descript, so hopefully nobody notices. The reason is that I have recently lost so much weight that these are the only pants that fit me. However, I don't want to buy any others right now because I hope to get pregnant soon, and who knows if I'll ever have this exact same body again. So it's not worth it to me.

But to balance out the tennis shoes and jeans, I always wear a nice blazer or sweater. Hopefully it works!

Posted by: Emily | 20070126 12:57

Posted by: Blog Stats | April 20, 2007 10:02 AM

It's completely possible to have shoes that are both stylish and comfortable/practical. For less expensive shoes, think Aerosoles. I tend to favor Cole Haan, especially their pumps that have Nike shock absorbers in them. And they last forever!

I tend to pick basic, classic clothes...(I'm wearing a white button-down shirt and light blue linen pants today) and great shoes. And yes, I can carry my two-year-old on my hip in three-inch heels. They just have to be comfortable three-inch heels! :-)

Posted by: PLS | April 20, 2007 10:02 AM

For work - 2 black and various shades of brown Allen Edmonds (and Proud Papa is right, they are way more expensive that the typical women's shoe, but last a lot longer).

For play - casual dressy shoes for use with khakis, several pseudo sneakers for use with jeans/khakis, Birks, Tevas, flip flops, running shoes, cross trainers, hiking boots.

And yes, my wife has MANY more pairs of shoes than I do.

Posted by: Dad | April 20, 2007 10:05 AM

Get a life.

Posted by: To Blog Stats | April 20, 2007 10:06 AM

"what's the most anyone's ever paid for shoes/boots?"

Hmmm. Well, my black and brown boots that I talked about were @ $120 apiece. But I wouldn't buy them because they were too expensive. Then they went on sale for 50% off -- so I bought two! And I've worn one or the other practically every day in winter for 8+ yrs, so I think I got my money's worth.

I think the brown sandals might have been more (@ $100?) -- got them at one of those healthy feet-type stores. But I've got very high arches and short wide feet, so to find anything that I can wear to the office that doesn't actively hurt is a challenge. I got them last year, but I wear them almost every day when it's warm enough (have 'em on right now), so I think they were worth the splurge.

Here's a sort-of off-topic Q: when do you know that something is splurge-worthy vs. just a waste of money? For ex., our washing machine is starting to go (washes everything in hot, not spinning well). I am attracted to some of those spanky new front-loaders with all the buttons and features and stuff -- don't as me why, as I HATE laundry, but they look really cool, and I like the energy efficiency. But then I thought: these things run like $1200. My current (boring white) washing maching cost $350, and we got it 11 years ago -- that's just over $30/yr. If I paid 4X as much for a spanky new model, I'd have to run it 40 years to get the same value (or it would have to REALLY save on the electric bill). So what makes that machine worth all the extra $$$?

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 10:06 AM

So if I WANT to be a lazy millionaire consultant who makes thousands of dollars with each trite bit of obvious advice, I should start dressing like one??? ;-P

WOW, blog stats posted something on topic? Is it frozen over outside?

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 10:06 AM

Re "Birks" --

These tend to have a pretty high price tag. I you like the style but not the cost, Lands End has great knock-offs at one-quarter to one-third of the price. Terrific colors, too.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:07 AM

Blog Stats, you're creepy!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:07 AM

Nope, Blog Stats. That was another Emily. Not me. Your stats are wrong on this one.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 10:10 AM

So if I WANT to be a lazy millionaire consultant who makes thousands of dollars with each trite bit of obvious advice, I should start dressing like one??? ;-P

What would Warren Buffett do?

Posted by: To Chris | April 20, 2007 10:10 AM

Laura -- the reason we got one of the spanky machines is because they're MUCH cheaper to run. Supposedly, the cost is around $8 annually. We do a lot of laundry. I love my washing machine a lot (though not as much as I love my mixer), but we sometimes feel we're in a 747 taking off when it's on the spin cycle. No kidding, the house shakes!

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 10:14 AM

Laura, if you have $1200 to blow on a washing machine, you will have entered the alpha-elite crowd and will soon be looking down your nose at the less fortunate. Not saying how anyone should spend that kind of money... but if you are having reservations, buy a cheaper one, and put the other cash into a savings account dedicated to buying some solar panels for your roof someday. ;-)

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 10:14 AM

If I paid 4X as much for a spanky new model, I'd have to run it 40 years to get the same value (or it would have to REALLY save on the electric bill). So what makes that machine worth all the extra $$$?

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 10:06 AM

Quite honestly, nothing. The newer front loader do use a little less water and electricity. But $800 will buy a lot of water and elec. (Yes, I know that some areas in the country do have water/elec issues) Those new front loader are also computerized so repair costs will be higher.

Look at the yellow tag which shows electrical/water consumption, then decide if it is worth it to you.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:15 AM

Surprise! Sensible ones! I was lucky that when I worked in a business district in the 90s, the fashion was 1-1/2 to 2-inch thickish heels with rounded or squarish toes. They looked great with professional clothes, and even were ok with pantsuits (when those finally became acceptable for women at my company--yes not until the late nineties!). I don't care for heels with slacks, especially spiky ones.

Though I have carried even my sensible heels to work at times, I never thought the sneaker-commute looked professional. I bought a pair of black unobtrusive maryjanes made by a walking shoe company for my public transportation commute.

I love some of the new strappy looks in walking shoes/sneakers. I don't think flats necessarily look frumpy. I have a pair of no-heel slide sandals that are very delicate (very thin strappy design) in a black faux snakeskin from Talbots. They show a lot of skin and I would put them up against anyone's Manolo's (sp?) as far as being alluring.

I'm with Leslie--work is not generally the place for sexy shoes unless you're in a creative industry.

Posted by: Marian | April 20, 2007 10:16 AM

oh, $8 a year? dang... well, if it lasts a long long time, it might be worth it...

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 10:16 AM

Line-drying is better for the environment. I felt liberated when my old dryer died and I switched to drip-drying, in the basement in winter and outdoors the rest of the year.

Posted by: To WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 10:17 AM

Fred

The high priced washers are VLIs.

Ratinal arguments do not apply.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:18 AM

Chris,

I always knew that there was something that bothered me about you. I found out today, dam** officer.

Your Spec 4 blog buddy,

Fred

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:19 AM

Oh - I love shoes but can't wear heels. But, the truth of it is that I almost forgot to put on the shoes I bought for our wedding - I almost walked down the aisle in my Clarks - comfortable and flat, just as I like my shoes. I do have a couple of pairs of red summer shoes, but for the most part, oh my gosh are my shoes boring. I do have a pair of Cole Hahn's that I love - but they, too, are black. I think I need to make a trip to Nordstrom's. For the first time in my life, I bought a pair of black boots this last winter - I finally found a pair that is flat enough for me - it really bothers me that I appear taller than hubby if I weat much of a heel.

Posted by: WAMC | April 20, 2007 10:20 AM

VLI?

Posted by: Huh? | April 20, 2007 10:20 AM

Chris

"Laura, if you have $1200 to blow on a washing machine"

Look at how much money they are pissing away on footware for their stinky feet!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:21 AM

"Line-drying is better for the environment."

Yikes! I hate lined dryed clothes. They feel hard and stiff. And I hate to iron. When I use the dryer, I just take the clothes out immediately and fold. No need to iron. I am all for conservation, but I can't give up my dryer.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 10:21 AM

Ooh, I know! I know!
"Vulgar luxury item."

Posted by: worker bee | April 20, 2007 10:21 AM

LOL, Chris. (BTW, not saying I actually HAVE $1200 in the budget for a washing machine -- just this completely . . . unexpected . . . pull . . . must . . . resist. . . .) Though for $8/yr, I might be able to make room in the budget for it. . . .

But FYI, the solar panels are already on the agenda -- my husband's had a bug up his butt over that for years, so someday I'm eventually going to have to give in and let him get them. :-) Shoulda done it when we lived in the SW, where they might actually have produced enough energy to pay for themselves, but we knew we weren't going to be there long enough to get the payback.

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 10:22 AM

Fred

"The high priced washers are VLIs."

I know, I was being nice. Our new washer is boring white and cost about $400.

But it goes in our new snazzy Black & White design laundry room. Black and White tile floors, gleaming white walls, white counters with a black counter top. And of course, my black army boots hang out there.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:22 AM

Drip-dried clothes need less or no ironing, and you don't have to be on duty the moment the dryer stops spinning.

Posted by: To Emily | April 20, 2007 10:23 AM

I hate line dried clothes as well.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 10:24 AM

But they dry hard and stiff.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 10:24 AM

Laura,

An $8/yr washer is like a 55 mpg Prius. The label may say that but your real world mileage will be less.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:25 AM

But they dry hard and stiff.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 10:24 AM


What a terrible burden you would face.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:27 AM

"I hate line dried clothes as well. "

My line dried stuff gets covered with bird poop and needs to be rewashed and rehung.


Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:27 AM

My line dried stuff gets covered with bird poop

Mine never has. Especially in the basement in winter.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:28 AM


We're also a Land's End footwear family, mostly. DH and I, the mocs in whatever version they're discounting at the moment (they almost always have some in the online outlet). I'm also a wide foot who's gone to men's size shoes since my pregnancies, often adding an orthotic arch support. Found a men's brown leather slip-on sandal that I loved at Land's End outlet a few years ago, still wearing that daily in summer. It's a miracle when I find a brand/style that works for me. Have one pair of flat brown leather women's dress shoes, very nice, some insanely wide size, I was lucky to find at a specialty store - that I did pay $100+ for but they're actually reasonable in fit and comfort, look snazzier than any other shoe that's ever fit on my foot, and it covers my bases for all my rare must dress up events (maybe once every year or so). All my life whenever I wear dress shoes (even nice generously sized flats like these) I must wear preemptive bandaids on my heels or get bloody heels that take a week+ to heal. Also have hiking boots, and still have the men's wide Rockports which were the only shoe I could wear during the last pregnancy. That's it.

My kids have a small selection, but one wears mainly Mary Janes and Heelys, and the other high tops and Heelys.

Posted by: KB | April 20, 2007 10:30 AM

These shoes are made for talking,
and that's just what they'll do.
One of these days these shoes are gonna
Talk all about you.

That's my contribution for today, folks. I promise!

BTW, clogs and sandals all the way!

Posted by: pittypat | April 20, 2007 10:32 AM

"My line dried stuff gets covered with bird poop

Mine never has. Especially in the basement in winter."

Don't have a basement or an attic, live in small flat.

Do 3 small loads a week.

Drip dry the unmentionables and work clothes.

The towels go in the dryer; they take days to air dry in my house.

Aren't there any birds in your yard?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:33 AM

re: Blog Stats / Fashion Queen

Hey Fred, lookin' mighty fine in dem boots!

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 10:35 AM

Laura,
Check out the new washers. Not only do they save electricity they save lots of water. They spin the clothes more so they spend less time in the dryer. IF they are energy star you can sometimes get either a rebate or tax break. If I needed one I would certainly do it.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 10:36 AM

Aren't there any birds in your yard?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 10:33 AM

The dog and his house and dog-run are nearby the clothesline, so birds don't hang around that part of the yard for very long.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:36 AM

Laura - we just replaced our washing machine with a front loader and were convinced when we learned that rather than the average 45 gallons of water to do one load in a traditional top loader, the front loader uses 15 gallons. It does take longer to wash each load, but doesn't agitate the same way and is less harsh on the clothes. We bought a basic Bosch and it was about $700 but there was a rebate from the manufacturer and a rebate from our water company for the less-water hungry choice. Worked out to just under $500 for the new washer. You can find a front loader for a resonable cost and it is less expensive to operate.

Posted by: Stacey | April 20, 2007 10:37 AM

Aren't there any birds in your yard?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 10:33 AM

The dog and his house and dog-run are nearby the clothesline, so birds don't hang around that part of the yard for very long.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 10:36 AM


How did people managed in the olden days before there were dryers? I doubt they tolerated bird poop on their clothes back then.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:38 AM

Not everyone is allowed to line dry their clothes - we can't in our neighborhood (townhouses).

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 10:38 AM

Not everyone is allowed to line dry their clothes - we can't in our neighborhood (townhouses).

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 10:38 AM


Why on earth not?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:40 AM

Laura, I bought the fancy dansy stackable frontloading washer / dryer for my wife. She deserves it, and so do you!

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 10:41 AM

"Hey Fred, lookin' mighty fine in dem boots!"

I keep them spit shined!

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:42 AM

I just started wearing KEEN shoes. REI carries them. I love them - very comfortable, great foot support and a huge toebox. They aren't the most feminine looking shoes - something like a birkenstock. I have a pair of Mary Janes for work but they also make sandals and boots.

Posted by: dai | April 20, 2007 10:42 AM

Fred, I understand... believe me. I was one of the good guys who paid attention to his crusty SMSgt in JROTC. First thing I would do would be to go to the MSgt and say, "I'm not going to BS- You've been here longer and know how things work. Your job is to teach me, and keep me from screwing things up so we stay out of trouble." With that I was able to make things happen and work as part of a team to improve things wherever I could. "Leadership" of course didn't like that- they missed having people to blame when things went wrong. I couldn't stand when we would get someone new who thought they could boss everyone... In general, the people with the worst stick were the priors. Many had a chip and felt like it was their turn to be a bully because they were magically "better" all of a sudden.
*sigh* I miss the good old days, but dang if the pay isn't better as a civie!

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 10:44 AM

"Why on earth not?"

Some people have to abide by homeowner associations bylaws, which often prohibit line drying clothes outside (especially in townhouse and condo communities).

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 10:46 AM

Dai -- My husband was charged with the task of buying shoes for himself and my son for the summer. They both came back with Keens. My son has asked to sleep in them because he says they're so comfortable. I may have to get some for myself . . .

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 10:50 AM

Some people have to abide by homeowner associations bylaws, which often prohibit line drying clothes outside (especially in townhouse and condo communities).

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 10:46 AM

But WHY do they prohibit line drying clothes outside? This makes no reasonable sense.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:51 AM

But WHY do they prohibit line drying clothes outside? This makes no reasonable sense.


Because it looks tacky to some people.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:53 AM

An officer is an officer is an officer. What can I say? Just a case of EM bias.

True, there were some worse than others.

With the exception of my grandfather, but then he went to Purdon't!

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:54 AM

We are not allowed clothes lines of any kind - period. It is very common.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 10:56 AM

Because it looks tacky to some people.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 10:53 AM


WTF??? They want people to think their clothes never need to be washed?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:57 AM

We are not allowed clothes lines of any kind - period. It is very common.

This attitude need to change.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:58 AM

"WTF??? They want people to think their clothes never need to be washed?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 10:57 AM"

Are you being dense on purpose?

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 10:58 AM

Not being allowed to hang out clothes is also a very common restriction in higher priced apartment buildings.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM

KLB, I think an important point is that shoes should above all not impede the ability to do a job to the best of one's ability. Nor should they distract others.
Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 07:29 AM


I respectfully disagree, catlady. The most important point about the right shoes is that they make me feel great about myself, and my husband loves me wearing them. I gave up worrying about others' distractions when I was about 20. No cleavage at work, check. A sexy pair of heels? Absolutely. I'm covered up to my neck and down to my knees in conservative wear. There's no earthly or professional reason why my leapord print 4" pumps should be a problem for anyone else.

Plus, it's alot easier to buy and wear a hot pair of shoes than it is to lose 20 pounds :>)

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM

"But WHY do they prohibit line drying clothes outside? This makes no reasonable sense."

Some women just don't like their husband staring at their neighbor's panties that are hanging out to dry.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM

Some women just don't like their husband staring at their neighbor's panties that are hanging out to dry.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM


It beats hanging out dirty laundry!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:02 AM

Not being allowed to hang out clothes is also a very common restriction in higher priced apartment buildings.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM


They're aspiring to elitism?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:03 AM

Actually, line drying clothes outside does look kind of tacky. Plus, I don't want anyone looking at my bloomers.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 11:03 AM

Joke Time!

A minister was officiating at a funeral of a man whom he did not know very well. The minister came to the eulogy and was stumped about what to say.

"Is there anyone who would like to share a few kind words about the deceased?" The minister asked.

Several minutes of uncomfortable silence followed the minister's plea.

Finally, a unidentified voice said from the back of the church.

"His brother was worse!"

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:03 AM

We aren't allowed to hang clothes outside in our neighborhood, either. This was the case in every situation when we were looking at a home in an HOA neighborhood. Maybe the rules will change when people start realizing there's a need to be concerned about the environment . . . We are working on getting the rules about solar panels changed. Currently, you can't have them on the side of the roof that faces the street. Silly.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 11:04 AM

Actually, line drying clothes outside does look kind of tacky. Plus, I don't want anyone looking at my bloomers.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 11:03 AM


Pure elitism. You can hang your undies to drip-dry in the bathroom or laundry room.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:05 AM

i have over 150 prs, rangin in cost from $10-$700, styling varying in every way possble, handbags to match. its a form of selfexpression, which a form of communication- i can say alot about myself to people i may never speak to by the way i am dressed. plus, its fun

Posted by: imeldaismyhero | April 20, 2007 11:06 AM

We have the stackable front loaders, too. We love it. Feels good to use so much less water, and it actually fit in the closet that we have for them (we live in a condo). Highly recommend them. We have Kenmore models that together cost about $1200.

Posted by: Beth | April 20, 2007 11:06 AM

Nope. I don't like hard and stiff undies. Life is hard enough by itself.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 11:06 AM

"But WHY do they prohibit line drying clothes outside? This makes no reasonable sense."

But you're presuming the rules should be reasonable or make sense. It's a private associate involving private property; unless they do something flatly illegal (like, say, impose racial restrictions in all the deeds), they can pretty much do whatever they want.

True story: lived in desert SW a few years ago. During a drought, the city government was asking everyone to do their part to conserve water (I think with formal water restrictions). A homeowner in one of the developments decided to pull up his irrigated lawn and replaced it with xeriscaping that required no water. His homeowner association fined him and tried to make him put the lawn back, because it was against association rules NOT to have lawn in the front yard. And even though the city was trying to encourage this sort of thing, it couldn't do a thing to protect this guy, because it was private property -- all the city could do was make sure that the (required) lawn wasn't watered more often than allowed (why the association thought dead grass was more appealing than live xeriscaping is beyond me). Hugely short-sighted and stupid, but 100% legal. I think the guy sued, but I left before it was resolved, so don't know how it turned out.

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 11:07 AM

Not being allowed to hang out clothes is also a very common restriction in higher priced apartment buildings.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM


In the 12 years I lived in Northern Virginia in mid-level to inexpensive condo complexes, and under probably 10 different leases, I was never permitted to line-dry clothing or hang anything over the balcony. It's not elitist. For anyone familiar with New York tenements from the 1920s through 1950s, garments hanging outside is not an appealing look.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:07 AM

My community is not elitist at all - the townhomes are modest and on the smaller side having been built in the early 80s. No vaulted ceilings or marble countertops here. We also don't allow commercial vehicles.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 11:10 AM

blog stats, how many times has this term been used "elitism."

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:11 AM

Nope. I don't like hard and stiff undies. Life is hard enough by itself.

Posted by: Emily | April 20, 2007 11:06 AM

What are your undies made of? My 100% cotton ones drip-dry soft.


not an appealing look.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:07 AM

Heaven forbid! (talk about elitism)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:13 AM

Not being allowed to hang out clothes is also a very common restriction in higher priced apartment buildings.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 10:59 AM

They're aspiring to elitism?
Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:03 AM

No, I don't think that is the entire reason. I think that it is the "give them an inch, they will take a mile" Some people can become downright trashy without rules. The apartment that I recently lived in prohibited car washing on the property. It did not sit well with me but I understood. I also appreciated that the apt. management went a long way to keep the property maintained and policed up everyday.

View it this way. An apartment has a commodity to sell. Part of what makes property attractive to renters/buyers is curb appeal. If a prospective tenant see broken cars, trash thrown about and laundry flying all over the property, that prospect may choose another place.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:13 AM

My community is not elitist at all - the townhomes are modest and on the smaller side having been built in the early 80s. No vaulted ceilings or marble countertops here. We also don't allow commercial vehicles.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 11:10 AM


I can see not allowing people to hang laundry out in front of their houses. But why not in back?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:15 AM

Can we please stop humoring whomever thinks we should all line-dry our clothes? Good Lord.

And I thought the vegans were bad . . .

Posted by: STOP! | April 20, 2007 11:15 AM

Laura,

You might consider going for the euro-type water-saving washer and a conventional dryer.

A friend had a single unit Bosch equivalent in an apt. in London, and it did a terrible job of drying. I've had separate Bosch units in a rental and didn't care for the dryer. Maybe the dryer performance has improved since then, no idea.

Anyway, you'd still have the benefit of the water savings, you'd spend a little less, and if the dryer performance of the current machines still isn't up to snuff, you'll still have dry clothes.

Your impact to the environment would be reduced somewhat even if not as much as some would like.

I'm finding that baby steps with environmental efforts is helping me do something positive rather than take no steps.

Posted by: Marian | April 20, 2007 11:17 AM

If a prospective tenant see broken cars, trash thrown about and laundry flying all over the property, that prospect may choose another place.

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:13 AM


Kind of a big leap from laundry hanging on a line to a slum?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:17 AM

Frieda does rack dry items in our laundry room. But I don't like my clothes air dried, too stiff and scratchy!

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:18 AM

We allow car washing but no car maintainence; We allow vans but no ladder racks for exactly the reasons Fred stated. We used to allow commercial vehicles. Next thing you knew we had bucket trucks and tow trucks parking in front of people's townhouses. I do not consider myself an elitist by any stretch of the imagination but this is not a good look. I am the current president of our HOA (volunteer position) and our board and management company work very hard to maintain our neighborhood. We do a community clean up once a year. We provide dumpsters once a year for people to get rid of large items. We have a street sweeper come in after the winter to get rid of the sand and salt. We want it to look nice and maintain our property values at the same time.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 11:18 AM

Can we please stop humoring whomever thinks we should all line-dry our clothes? Good Lord.

And I thought the vegans were bad . . .

Posted by: STOP! | April 20, 2007 11:15 AM


And let's not permit breastfeeding in public.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:19 AM

IMPORTANT OFF TOPIC ALERT!:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A fruity cocktail may not only be fun to drink but may count as health food, U.S. and Thai researchers said on Thursday.

Adding ethanol -- the type of alcohol found in rum, vodka, tequila and other spirits -- boosted the antioxidant nutrients in strawberries and blackberries, the researchers found.

Any colored fruit might be made even more healthful with the addition of a splash of alcohol, they report in the Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture.

Dr. Korakot Chanjirakul and colleagues at Kasetsart University in Thailand and scientists at the U.S. Department of Agriculture stumbled upon their finding unexpectedly. (YEAH RIGHT!!!)

They were exploring ways to help keep strawberries fresh during storage. Treating the berries with alcohol increased in antioxidant capacity and free radical scavenging activity, they found.

Any colored fruit or vegetable is rich in antioxidants, which are chemicals that can cancel out the cell-damaging effects of compounds called free radicals.

Berries, for instance, contain compounds known as polyphenols and anthocyanins. People who eat more of these fruits and vegetables have a documented lower risk of cancer, heart disease and some neurological diseases.

The study did not address whether adding a little cocktail umbrella enhanced the effects. (gosh, I wish I came up with that closing line!)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:19 AM

And I thought the vegans were bad . . .

Posted by: STOP! | April 20, 2007 11:15 AM

What's bad about the vegans?

Posted by: vegan | April 20, 2007 11:19 AM

Kind of a big leap from laundry hanging on a line to a slum?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:17 AM

Sometimes it doesn't take much!

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:20 AM

that was me at 11:19

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 11:21 AM

"I can see not allowing people to hang laundry out in front of their houses. But why not in back?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:15 AM"

I can't speak for other places but ours is not a straight line of homes. You can see the back of many homes from the road. We also require that the yards are maintained.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 11:21 AM

I think making a child a vegan is child abuse.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:21 AM

Off-Topic Alert:

Laura - thanks, that makes sense. Your firm is fortunate that you agreed to take on this role. They get to look diverse, the candidates get to meet a lawyer with personality, and you probably get the offer letters out timely, as well. I have an innate aversion, however, to seeing women take on non-compensated, time-consuming tasks, e.g., firm committee work, lead recruiting roles, that are not generally respected by those generating the most business within the organization. I'm confident that you are way ahead of me in having all this figured out, though, and have made a prudent choice for yourself.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 11:22 AM

To 11:19 AM

Thank you - you have made my day!

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 11:23 AM

Making a child eat meat is child abuse.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:24 AM

Scarry;

The words "elite" and "elitist" appear in 302 post by 157 contributors.
Top 10 listed below:

4 Arlmom
4 catlady
4 KB
4 Megan
4 scarry
5 Fred
5 Jen
7 Megan's Neighbor
9 Leslie
10 Chris

No more request will be accepted. I've worn out my welcome.

Posted by: Blog Stats | April 20, 2007 11:24 AM

aww, come on blog stats!

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:26 AM

welcome. ;-)

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 11:26 AM

Thanks everyone for the thoughts -- didn't mean to start the laundry wars! Was just interested in the thought process, at what point does style/features/efficiency justify higher price.

Marian, I agree, those all-in-one units are right out -- my family lived in Europe for 6 mos while I was in college, and my mom's biggest complaint was the horrid drying from their all-in-one unit. Well, that and the fact that it had the capacity of a pea. Just not even an option.

And sorry, I'm not willing to go without my dryer. For me, line drying is a horrid, muggy/sticky, ant-filled, crunchy-clothes, BAD childhood memory. Some sacrifices I'm just not willing to make. Though maybe I'll reconsider when my kids are old enough to be assigned the chore. . . . :-)

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 11:26 AM

Another good thing about the front-loading washers / dryers is that they are nice and quiet, which cuts down on noise pollution. If you have sensitive ears, you may wish to factor this in when making your purchasing decision.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 11:27 AM

Ha, take that Leslie! So much for being THE neo-alpha-uber-elite at everything. ;-P

LMAO, make that 11.

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 11:28 AM

Making a child eat meat is child abuse.

I hope your kid grows up to eat cheeseburgers.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:28 AM

There are two types of women: those who can walk in stilleto heels and those who cannot. Sadly I fall in the latter category.

Rita -- love your red sneakers thing!

Does anyone wear Nike Free sneakers? They are almost as good as going barefoot, which I agree, is the best. Hard to do at work, however.

Also, my daughter, who has flat feet and gets terrible knee-aches from most shoes, wears her Crocs 100% of the time, sometimes even when she sleeps. They are bright orange, which makes her easy to locate on a crowded playground. I highly recommend Crocs and their knock-offs to people with feet/leg problems.

And to those of you who think this is a shallow subject, you are wrong! You are just too simple-minded to understand how profound this subject is.

Posted by: Leslie | April 20, 2007 11:30 AM

Leslie is right - this can be profound. If your feet hurt you can accomplish nothing.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 11:31 AM

And to those of you who think this is a shallow subject, you are wrong! You are just too simple-minded to understand how profound this subject is.

Posted by: Leslie | April 20, 2007 11:30 AM

When Leslie and Carolyn Hax agree on a topic, the world should sit up and heed them. umm... in my opinion.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 11:32 AM

I bought my daughter a pair of the knock off crocks. She wears them everyday and will not wear anything else now. I think they are ugly, but I am not a kid.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:34 AM

I think they are ugly, but I am not a kid.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:34 AM


Sounds like the kid is smarter than you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:36 AM

No time to read today, but I have to comment (surprise surprsie).

I wear flat Earth shoes for work. They are pricey but SO worth it because of the negative heel. They are the most comfortable shoes on the planet.

I wear tennis shoes during the winter and my Doc Martin sandals (my husband calls them my "Jesus sandals") during the summer.

My husband and I are the same height (6'), so I rarely wear heels. I still like to wear them out on the town every once in a while. The problem is finding sexy heels in big size. Every shoe looks adorable in a size 6, even crocs. But very few shoes are cute in a size 10. I have a pair of 4-inch tall Calvin Klein wedges that I love. They make me feel sexy even when I'm towering over everyone in the bar.

Posted by: Meesh | April 20, 2007 11:37 AM

Yup, we men are simple minded! :)

(not really snipping at you Leslie.)

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:39 AM

It looks like the fancy front-loading washer/dryer discussion is over, but I thought I should mention I know two people who bought them, and both had to be repaired within six months of purchase. They were both under warranty, but something that new and costly shouldn't break in the first place.

I know it's a limited sample size, but I don't like those stats with respect to quality...

Posted by: lawgirl | April 20, 2007 11:40 AM

Leslie's ego is just bruised because I said elite more ;-P

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 11:40 AM

I think they are ugly, but I am not a kid.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:34 AM


Sounds like the kid is smarter than you.

Yes, I am sure she is, I am sure she is smarter than you too. She already has better manners.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:40 AM

Sneakers, one pair of black slip-on shoes (is that a loafer? I don't know), two pairs of paddock boots (I scored Ariat's for $39!), two pairs of sandals.

One kid wears these soft winter boots constantly. I bought from the overstock sale section of Lands End. You just yank the ties, pull the toggle tight, and go. Also sneakers.

Personally, I want to have sneakers with the little LED lights in the heels. One child used to be able to get those--now, sadly too large. I don't see them available in adult sizes (or they cost too much). Boo! Why can't I have neat shoes?)

Posted by: Maryland Mother | April 20, 2007 11:42 AM

Sounds like the kid is smarter than you.

Yes, I am sure she is, I am sure she is smarter than you too. She already has better manners.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:40 AM


It was a compliment to you for having a smart kid. Reflects well on her mom.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:42 AM

Lawgirl, duly noted. Chances are though, as society becomes ever more disposable (things riiged to break the day after the warranty expires), they merely haven't gotten it timed to fall apart at the right moment yet. I'll stick with solid, sturdy, and longer lasting. After all- I'm sure a bunch of highly efficient, but broken, washers will fill up the landfills faster.

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 11:44 AM

"I know two people who bought them, and both had to be repaired within six months of purchase. They were both under warranty, but something that new and costly shouldn't break in the first place."

In the last week or so, 2 major brands of these have been recalled. I don't recall the brands but the trouble was water was running down from the tub into the circuit boards. (Not an issue top loaders have.)

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:44 AM

Re: front-loading washer/dryers. I bought a set from the Sears "oops" store in Gaithersburg years ago (where they sent things that had knicks, dings, unfashionable colours, etc. It's since closed) for less than $1200, delivered and installed. 9 years later, no problems whatsoever. As we have a well, water conservation is a BIG DEAL around my house!

I think they are GE.

Posted by: Maryland Mother | April 20, 2007 11:44 AM

Off-topic to MN: It's funny, it makes perfect sense when you explain it, and I'm usually really attuned to those things, but that just didn't even cross my mind here. (1) I think because we're a smaller firm (and my office is especially small), we all pitch in a lot more on nonbillable stuff (I am also a practice group chair, which is MUCH better on the marketing front). So it's not like I look around and see the women doing recruiting and the men out rainmaking -- we all do our share of crap that we don't get credit for (and the people who do more than their fair share do get billable credit for it). (2)And I'd basically go through a wall for our managing partner, so if he asks me to do something, it's a no-brainer (in large part because I know he takes my professional development seriously). (3) Plus the way our compensation is structured, it's based much more on billables than rainmaking, so we don't really have a hierarchy where the big rainmakers are treated as super-special or more valuable (we've actually lost a few because of that, since a lot of firms will pay the big boys much more, but we made an intentional choice to keep it that way because it encourages the senior associates/young partners who are the lifeblood of our practice to commit to the firm).

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 11:45 AM

It was a compliment to you for having a smart kid. Reflects well on her mom.

Sounded like an insult to me, but whatever. She likes them so that is all that is important.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 11:45 AM

"The dog and his house and dog-run are nearby the clothesline, so birds don't hang around that part of the yard for very long."

OK, and now you have to deal with dog poop.

I'll stick with machine drying my towels.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:46 AM

"The dog and his house and dog-run are nearby the clothesline, so birds don't hang around that part of the yard for very long."

OK, and now you have to deal with dog poop.

I'll stick with machine drying my towels.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:46 AM


The dog is nearby not directly under the clothesline so I don't step in poop when hanging up or taking down laundry.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:49 AM

The brands are Maytag and Samsung. Both were recalled because

"Water leakage onto the electrical connections to the washing machine's thermal sensor could cause an electrical short and ignite a circuit board, posing a fire hazard to consumers."

http://www.cpsc.gov/CPSCPUB/PREREL/prhtml07/07135.html

Posted by: Fred | April 20, 2007 11:50 AM

Laura, Now I understand, as well, why your fashionable heels are not resting on your desk while the grunts bill to pay for your heels :>)

On a serious note, I also agree that loyalty, e.g., dancin' with the one who brung ya, is key. Fortunately, my favorite two mentors are family-oriented and encourage zilch, zippo, nada non-billable work that doesn't relate to business generation. I find it quite freeing. I can do things I really care about, like sit on boards of directors for non-profit low-income housing orgs and arts organizations, without being accountable to anyone.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 11:50 AM


"The dog is nearby not directly under the clothesline so I don't step in poop when hanging up or taking down laundry."

So where does the dog poop and what happens to it?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:52 AM

The biggest problem I had with hanging clothes outside is all colors fade so quickly. I used our Hills hoist for years. We aren't allowed to dry our clothes outside in our neighborhood and I can't say I miss it at all. I like my clothes keeping their color.

Posted by: dotted | April 20, 2007 11:52 AM

Now I have that song "Suds in a Bucket" stuck in my head.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 11:53 AM

Sounded like an insult to me, but whatever. She likes them so that is all that is important.

scarry,

Everything sounds like an insult to you. Even stuff that isn't about you.

Your whole attitude is really tedious.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:53 AM

"The dog is nearby not directly under the clothesline so I don't step in poop when hanging up or taking down laundry."

So where does the dog poop and what happens to it?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:52 AM


My, you seem to have a poop fetish. The dog has a dog-run space. We just clean it up like anyone else who lets their dog out into their yard.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:55 AM

Everything sounds like an insult to you. Even stuff that isn't about you.

Your whole attitude is really tedious.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:53 AM


I (who complimented Scarry's smart little kid) didn't write this.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 11:57 AM

I (who complimented Scarry's smart little kid) didn't write this.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 11:57 AM

maybe your other anonymous personality did. have you checked in lately with the right side of your brain?

Posted by: Gavin | April 20, 2007 12:00 PM

Have you ever noticed that dog owners, when giving their leashed mutt a walk, will stare at it while it poops? Why is that?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:00 PM

With this bunch, it would be to make sure the dog is doing it right.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:01 PM

"scarry,

Everything sounds like an insult to you. Even stuff that isn't about you.

Your whole attitude is really tedious."

And so is her "Coal Miner's Daughter who ate her brother's toenails for dinner" gig.

Hard to believe she was a cheerleader.

She must have a BIG chest!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:01 PM

maybe your other anonymous personality did. have you checked in lately with the right side of your brain?

Posted by: Gavin | April 20, 2007 12:00 PM


No, it was someone else. Maybe you?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:02 PM

Heels over 3" are less about walking around the office and more as a martial aid

Posted by: NYC | April 20, 2007 12:02 PM

Have you ever noticed that dog owners, when giving their leashed mutt a walk, will stare at it while it poops? Why is that?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 12:00 PM


If the dog has trouble while passing poop it can be a sign of a health problem. So owners watch to make sure their dogs aren't having a health problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:04 PM

Wow this discussion is even less exciting than a bunch of housewives at the bus stop! Intended as a joke.

Posted by: moxiemom | April 20, 2007 12:06 PM

We taught our dog to go on command. No lie. Thanks to the Monks of New Skete!!

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 12:07 PM

I paid Scarry's little girl a compliment, after a little confusion Scarry accepted that it's a compliment, end of story. The rest of you, drop it.

Posted by: 11:36 | April 20, 2007 12:07 PM

Heels over 3" are less about walking around the office and more as a martial aid

Posted by: NYC | April 20, 2007 12:02 PM

I'm confused.

1. Are the heels over 3" or less than 3"?

2. Did you mean marital? otherwise, please explain how a heel can be a martial aid.

In any event, if you don't enjoy a higher heel, don't buy them. On the other hand, as a severaly height disadvantaged chick, I prefer to be able to make direct eye contact with my conversational partners rather than stare up from my natural position around or about the average belt buckle. My conversational partners, likewise, prefer not to get cricks in their neck from positioning their chins at a 30 degree angle to their necks.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 12:08 PM

Best women's shoes ever -- 1803.

Check 'em out.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:08 PM

Moxiemom, you are not suggesting we raise the bar, are you?

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 12:10 PM

Apparently we're having another one of those "everything's about scarry" days.

Ah, well. Haven't had one for a while. Scarry -- enjoy wallowing today.

P.S. The creep who made the cheerleader comment should go find an adolescent audience somewhere.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:14 PM

"I paid Scarry's little girl a compliment, after a little confusion Scarry accepted that it's a compliment, end of story. The rest of you, drop it."

Who died and made you Queen Bee B*tch?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:15 PM

"P.S. The creep who made the cheerleader comment should go find an adolescent audience somewhere."

The audience is right here.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:19 PM

F04, I would be the last person to ever suggest raising the bar. The bar that I have worked so very hard lo these many weeks to drag down to my level. Killing time here before I go to my daughter's ballet class.

Megan's neighbor, I think the heels as marital aid is to, ahem, spice things up in the bedroom, shall we say.

Posted by: moxiemom | April 20, 2007 12:19 PM

"I paid Scarry's little girl a compliment, after a little confusion Scarry accepted that it's a compliment, end of story. The rest of you, drop it."

Who died and made you Queen Bee B*tch?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 12:15 PM


The confusion was only between Scarry and me. But it's all about you, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:20 PM

Proud Papa, how do you get the Rockports resoled or reheeled? I have terrible pronation and the rubber heels get worn down quickly.

I used to do Bostonians and thin, leather-soled Italian or Spanish shoes. I also made sure to put sole and heel savers on them before wore them. Then my orthopedic surgeon tole me that I had to switch to Rockports. That's all I use, except for my European shoes for special occasions. (I always end up regretting it after that special occasion.) But I can get plain, cap-toe and wingtips in black, brown, and burgundy/oxblood. It's a little more difficult to find the right fit at the outlet stores ($75, second pair 50% off) than at the mall ($120 flat rate).

It says that I like to look nice for business but have to weigh everything against my physical wellbeing.

Posted by: Working Dad | April 20, 2007 12:20 PM

Folks here have mentioned all kinds of wonderful shoes, but I can't find any of them in WIDE sizes. Does anyone have any idea where to get good comfortable EE width shoes?

*pathetic whimper*

Posted by: Jan | April 20, 2007 12:21 PM

Sounds like the kid is smarter than you.

Sorry I took your compliment the wrong way. No need to call her a B---- because she doesn't want the blog to revolve around an innocent comment about shoes.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 12:22 PM

Have you checked out prescription orthotics (inserts) to adjust for your pronation? Ditto for those with supranation.

Posted by: To Working Dad | April 20, 2007 12:23 PM

You see, scarry, how quickly the blog becomes all about you?

How do you do that? It boggles the mind!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:27 PM

Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the point of wearing high heels was to attract the attention of men because the elevation of the heels make your butts wiggle just right when you walked by.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 12:27 PM

Jan,

If you're a woman, then women's EE becomes more like mens' wide or sometimes even normal, depending on shoe. I buy the men's all-weather mocs from Lands' End for that reason, and my men's wide Rockports, during pregnancy, were even wider. The all-weather mocs are pretty unisex shoes, unless you believe in dainty-looking shoes (but then, few shoes actually still look dainty when you put them on a wide foot :-) ) The brand on my expensive and feminine-looking/ professional ultrawide women's dress shoes is Munro, I bought them at a huge weird-size specialty store in NC while traveling.

If you're a man, then I don't know.

Posted by: KB | April 20, 2007 12:28 PM

Would this site help?

http://www.daveswideshoes.com/

Posted by: for Jan | April 20, 2007 12:29 PM

"sexy high-heeled clogs with fake fur" - eeeeeeeewwwww.

Posted by: molly | April 20, 2007 12:33 PM

"Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the point of wearing high heels was to attract the attention of men because the elevation of the heels make your butts wiggle just right when you walked by."

I always heard/thought it was because it made your legs more shapely, particularly below the knee (calf definition).

Posted by: CJB | April 20, 2007 12:38 PM

Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the point of wearing high heels was to attract the attention of men because the elevation of the heels make your butts wiggle just right when you walked by.

Posted by: Father of 4 | April 20, 2007 12:27 PM

The point of wearing any garment is because you like it and believe you look great in it. The attention of men is either gravy, or irrelevant, depending upon whether: (1) you are or are not in a committed relationship of one sort or another, and (2) are attracted to men in the first place.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 12:42 PM

molly -- I agree with you. Double eeeeeewwww. Along with the beige pumps. (There's probably a pair of white ones hiding in the closet somewhere, too, that come out before Memorial Day and don't hide again until way after Labor Day.)

Posted by: Shoe snob | April 20, 2007 12:42 PM

Father of 4

You haven't been around much.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:45 PM

The confusion was only between Scarry and me. But it's all about you, right?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 12:20 PM

If you ignore them, like everyone else does, they will go away.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:45 PM

"Heels over 3" are less about walking around the office and more as a martial aid"

"2. Did you mean marital? otherwise, please explain how a heel can be a martial aid."

Instead of a karate chop you hit them with the spike heel silly.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 12:46 PM

Leslie, you ROCK! Shoes! What a great Friday topic.

I've got all sorts...I don't do stilettos anymore as I am 41 years old. My preference is for ankle-strap high-heels (remember the Eagles song, "Those Shoes"?). I try to keep the heel at no more than three inches. These I wear with suits to work.

It's impossible to live in Arizona and not have great sandals. I have several pairs (with and without ankle straps) and pedicure season is now upon us.

I have not yet gone out and bought a pair of cowboy boots...don't know that I can go there. I still have my east-coast mentality and think of myself as a carpetbagger!

Posted by: single western mom | April 20, 2007 12:46 PM

KLB,

With my short arms, the target can essentially but a hand on the top of my head and keep me out of karate chop range. A bow and arrow would be best, but is cumbersome to bring to work.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 12:47 PM

single western mom do people in AZ wear their sandals in the winter with socks? When I lived in UT they did and I couldn't believe it. It was kind of funny, I had never seen anything like it before.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 12:48 PM

Okay, duh! AZ really doesn't have a winter! :)

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 12:48 PM

"Leslie, you ROCK! Shoes! What a great Friday topic. "

Right, to someone that doesn't have a life.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:48 PM

You see, scarry, how quickly the blog becomes all about you?

How do you do that? It boggles the mind!

And she did this how? By replying to someone who said her three year old was smarter than she was????????????????????

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:50 PM

I have been briefly reviewing the comments and there seems to be a lack of response from those who wear the tall fancy shoes. I happen to be one of them. I hardly own is less than 3 inches tall and heels about as thick as a pcincil. Why? I feel confident when I have heels on plus heels make women have better posture which conveys to others you are confident. But even flats and smaller heels come in a great variety of colors, textures, and patterns. Rather than basic brown go for copper color or maybe a snake skin (faux of coarse). Buy a pair of black shoes with a peep toe... there are so many options and you can still be comfortable!

For the gentleman who isnt married and thinks women are shallow for talking about shoes, you mustn't be a "leg man" b/c high heels (expensive or not) make womens legs look longer, leaner, and show off muscle. Whats wrong with that?

As for the most expensive pair of shoes, I paid $800 for a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes. They were for my wedding and no they arent white but covered in a pinkish nude silk and loaded with rhinestones. In turn I went with a less expensive dress b/c I will never wear the dress again. Plus in my shoe experience I have found the more money I spend, the better the quality, the durability, and greater comfort. And speaking of comfort, just the other weekend I wore them and danced at a wedding reception for 4 hours streight. There isnt a blister in sight! But average price is $150 - $200.

No matter what you choose whether its a pair of flats, clogs, heels, or even sneakers I think quality over quantity is always the best choice!

Posted by: shoefan | April 20, 2007 12:51 PM

scarry

"single western mom do people in AZ wear their sandals in the winter with socks? "

Wow, this would lower the birth rate in my area pretty quick!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:51 PM

May I suggest a more fashionable alternative to the Crocs for the pregnant poster? Try Chaco sandals. The support is *amazing* and you will wear these long after the birth. They have leather models, which will go better with work clothes. They also replace the soles when worn and the uppers last forever. When I was pregnant with my first, my feet really suffered and these were a godsend. I will be in my ninth month this coming August with my second baby, and am so happy to have two pairs of Chacos on hand.

Posted by: Pregnant with #2 | April 20, 2007 12:54 PM

Leslie, I wear Nike Free and I absolutely swear by them.

I freely admit that they are a VLI, but I have crappy flat feet and these things make me feel a lot better than regular sneakers.

In the "Ultra VLI" category, I will also disclose that you can design and personalize them on Nike.com (allow 6-8 weeks) for only a little more than they cost in the store.... So then I made myself up some Electric Blue ones (I'm goofy like that) and made the wife a set of Pink and Grey 7.0 trainers for her birthday.

If you have a few extra bucks I'd encourage you to go down to your local shoe store and try on a pair. You will instantly be overcome with a desire to buy them :-) YM will not V.

http://nikeid.nike.com/nikeid/index.jhtml?sitesrc=uslanding#category,nike_free

Posted by: Proud Papa | April 20, 2007 12:56 PM

"Did you mean marital? otherwise, please explain how a heel can be a martial aid.
Instead of a karate chop you hit them with the spike heel silly."

LOL, This brought back great memories of a self-defense demo I saw once. I studied karate and SD for 10 years, and at one of the belt levels we had to demonstrate using everyday items as weapons against an attacker ("weapons of opportunity"). One of my fellow students not only took out her attacker with high heels, but a vacuum cleaner as well. It was most memorable and effective.

Posted by: CJB | April 20, 2007 12:57 PM

At work my shoes say "I'm here, I'm normal, I'm dependable, let's do this and move on"

On active days, my sneakers say "Ready to go the distance and have fun"

On the town, my shoes can go anywhere from "I have to make these last until 4 am" to "I can sit down all night so adore these leather strappy platform heels" to "cutely erotic" (my pink satin platform boots) to downright whorish.

What matters most is that they work with the outfit to create a full ensemble.

Posted by: Liz D | April 20, 2007 12:59 PM

CJB

"One of my fellow students not only took out her attacker with high heels, but a vacuum cleaner as well"

Was it a Dyson vacuum cleaner?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 12:59 PM

Socks and sandals...no, I can't say that I've seen this out here. (I agree that would be effective birth control!).

And yeah, we really don't have much of a winter...although it did snow in Phoenix in January.

Here's a fashion accessory I was stunned to find out here: fake boobs. It seems like every other woman gets a boob job here (I've heard that Scottsdale is plastic surgery capitol of the world). Kids are getting them in high school and college. And its treated like going to a tanning salon (they have those here too, I cannot figure out why we need tanning salons where melanoma runs rampant).


Posted by: single western mom | April 20, 2007 1:00 PM

single western mom

Do you have the freakish white smiles?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:02 PM

To Working:

Currently the most is probably around $80. I think I probably have about 40 pairs total. I just got the CUTEST two pairs of satin pleated sandals a few weeks ago: http://emeraldliz.livejournal.com/187594.html#cutid1

IF I had the disposable income, I'd be willing to pay a few hundred for shoes IF they were also excellent style and worked for me.

But I don't, so I don't.

Posted by: Liz D | April 20, 2007 1:05 PM

oh, shoefan, I heart you.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 1:12 PM

Danskos all the way! The American Podiatric Medical Association puts their seal of approval on Dansko shoes and they are the most comfortable shoes I have ever worn. My mother can stand on concrete floors for 10 hours in her danskos and not feel a thing. Because they are handmade, you have to try several pairs of the same size on to find the perfect fit. Sometimes you will find the left shoe in one box and the right in another. While they are not the most beautiful shoes in the world, they are very good for your feet. Proper shoes prevent hip problems in the future.

Posted by: dansko fan | April 20, 2007 1:14 PM

Off-topic alert:

Has everyone heard Alec Baldwin's voice mail message to his 11 or 12 year old daughter? I was amazed at some of the comments on celebritology suggesting that somehow this sort of critical, hysterical, angry language might be appropriate for a dad to direct at his child.

I was horrified. Anyone else?

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 1:14 PM

single western mom

Do you have the freakish white smiles?
Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:02 PM

You've been to Scottsdale, haven't you?

Posted by: single western mom | April 20, 2007 1:15 PM

Megan's Neighbor,

Yes, I was over there and I commented on it. I think it is awful that people were defending him.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 1:19 PM

"You've been to Scottsdale, haven't you?"

No, but the people with the unnaturally white teeth always make me think the circus is in town.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:20 PM

Two things about heels and (relative) comfort : 1) I find any of the brands with flexible soles (aerosoles, AK by Anne Klein, some Joan & David to name a few) more comfortable than hard soles and 2) insoles, especially dr scholls open toe style are great for adding extra cushioning. Definitely makes wearing pretty/slightly impractical shoes easier.

single western mom: How sad that breast augmentation is viewed in such a blase fashion. I suppose rhinoplasty is treated similarly? What happened to making girls proud of the way they look?!?

Posted by: Product of a Working Mother | April 20, 2007 1:21 PM


"Off-topic alert:

Has everyone heard Alec Baldwin's voice mail message to his 11 or 12 year old daughter? I was amazed at some of the comments on celebritology suggesting that somehow this sort of critical, hysterical, angry language might be appropriate for a dad to direct at his child.

I was horrified. Anyone else?"

No, I have a life, so I don't read celebritology or watch Oprah or Dr. Phil, etc.

I tend to be horrified about things that REALLY matter, not the rantings of cyberspace cretins.

But again, I have a life!

Try it!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:25 PM

"high heels (expensive or not) make womens legs look longer, leaner, and show off muscle. Whats wrong with that?" You're not supposed to talk about that! You don't want anyone starting a revolution about how it is all about objectifying women to make them look pretty for men! You'll ruin EVERYTHING!

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 1:27 PM

Now I'm curious Megan's Neighbor...how tall are you?

Posted by: MV | April 20, 2007 1:28 PM

Must be a life like ours if you are reading the blog. :)

Posted by: to April 20, 2007 01:25 PM | April 20, 2007 1:28 PM

PWM:
While I agree no surgery should ever become blase, and no permanent change should ever become a casual choice- it's a completely legitimate option and in fact can be parto f making a person proud of their looks.

Everyone does something- brush you hair, your teeth, wear deoderant, cut the hair, wear particular clothes, shoes, make-up, nails, hair color, bras, girdles, pantyhose, etc etc etc. We all do something that takes us from how we look naked and bare into a version we consider "better/prettier"

This is just another step on that line.

Posted by: Liz D | April 20, 2007 1:28 PM

single western mom: How sad that breast augmentation is viewed in such a blase fashion. I suppose rhinoplasty is treated similarly? What happened to making girls proud of the way they look?!?

Posted by: Product of a Working Mother | April 20, 2007 01:21 PM

Yeah, I got out here and a week later I called a friend back east and said, "I've found Stepford. It's in the desert."

For the guys who have lasted out today's blog...what a window into a woman's world. I hate shopping...except shoe shopping. I don't try on a pair of shoes and wonder, "Do these shoes make me look fat?" I've worn a shoe size 7 1/2 since high school...it's not like bemoaning the fact I am now a size 6 instead of a size 4. (Yeah, I know, it's not the dress that make my hips look big...it's my big hips that make my hips look big!).

So...for these reasons and the reasons stated by shoefan...again, I say, great light-hearted topic to end a week that's been so heavy.

Posted by: single western mom | April 20, 2007 1:29 PM

No, I have a life, so I don't read celebritology or watch Oprah or Dr. Phil, etc.

I tend to be horrified about things that REALLY matter, not the rantings of cyberspace cretins.

But again, I have a life!

Try it!!

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:25 PM


that would be a life that involves reading everyone else's comments and typing, typing, ranting, and typing?

A life empty of friends and hobbies, it appears, is what you have, bub.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:29 PM

Those stiletto torture racks you wear make your posture worse, cause future back and knee problems.

Posted by: To shoefan | April 20, 2007 1:30 PM

"Must be a life like ours if you are reading the blog. :) "

Nope, it's part of my job.

The hypocrisy of being concerned about only celebrity kids really stinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:31 PM

I'm vertically challenged but I _hate_ wearing high heels. I wore a shoe with a 2" heel to my own wedding, and that's as high as I'll ever go. DH is vertically enhanced (opposite of vertically challenged), but somehow we manage to carry on conversations when we're standing next to each other.

A female friend of mine _loved_ to wear high heels but was also vertically enhanced. If we each wore our preferred shoes, it would make the height discrepancy between us even more noticeable.

Most of my shoes are in the comfortable-but-hopefully-not-too-ugly category. At my geek workplace, we're not exactly fashion plates, so I fit right in.

Posted by: SheGeek | April 20, 2007 1:32 PM

MN -- just went over to look in response to your comment. Oh. My. God. I don't care how mad you are, or how justified that anger is. You never, ever, EVER tell your child that she doesn't have the "brains or decency of a human being." What a horrible thing to say. Lord knows I've been shaking mad at my daughter before, I've yelled at her, I've done lots of stuff I regret. But a personal attack is just not even on the list of options.

And what's worse here is that the problem isn't even the little girl -- it's mom and dad who can't get along and who are pulling their child into the middle of it. If he wants to talk like that to his ex -- fine, she's a big girl, she can defend herself. But to vent his rage on his daughter, who is too young to fight back -- probably precisely BECAUSE she's too young to fight back, and so he knows he can "get away with it" -- well, that's bullying, that's cowardice, that's damn close to child abuse.

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 1:35 PM

No, I have a life, so I don't read celebritology or watch Oprah or Dr. Phil, etc.

I tend to be horrified about things that REALLY matter, not the rantings of cyberspace cretins.

But again, I have a life!

Try it!!

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:25 PM

I stopped attempting to have a life at approximately 10 and have had one ever since. Keep up your worthy attempts, though, to characterize snark as a life.

Part of achieving balance is in knowing where the line is between the manner in which you communicate your negative feelings to: (a) your colleagues, (b) people with whom you disagree on a blog (ahem), and (c) your children. I am interested in this isolated incident of behavior only because this is an interaction between a dad and his daughter - not because either are famous. Many contributors to this blog express constructive thoughts on such topics. You, on the other hand, might prefer to rant on the BBC News site.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 1:35 PM

KB and 'to Jan', thanks for the suggestions. I'll definitely try them out.

Posted by: Jan | April 20, 2007 1:39 PM

HAD to respond to the comment about small feet and heel heights, as I have the same problem...I'm 5'1" and I wear a size 5 shoe. It's hard enough to find *adult women's* shoes in this size (as most dept. stores now don't carry anything smaller than a 6 -- but most shoe manufacturers also think that a woman whose feet are only 6" long to start with should wear a heel that's 4" high. Stupid!! I like the look of high heels and I like being a little taller but can't wear the stilettos unless I'm sitting down all night. (I have similar issues with bra makers...why assume that any woman smaller than a D cup automatically wants a padded bra??? Some of us look just fine in our A's and B's and in fact would look kinda stupid with an inch of padding on our small frames!)

Posted by: dcgirl1899 | April 20, 2007 1:41 PM

I happened to hear a radio replay of Baldwin's rant while tuning in to a traffic and weather station. I can't believe anyone would defend him in any way. He called his daughter a pig.

There was a shoe-related blip on the same station. A hospital (in Sweden, I believe--could have that part completely wrong) is trying to ban crocs in the hospital. It seems that they can create enough static electricity to interfere with medical equipment. I have no idea if there's good science behind this or not. Maybe the story will turn up in one of the papers. Did crocs start out as medical shoes? I know many medical personnel wear clogs.

Posted by: Marian | April 20, 2007 1:42 PM

Megan's Neighbor

No sale.

I remain unamazed and unhorrifed.

The moral of the story is to answer the phone when Alec Baldwin calls.

There will be some reference to this on SNL this week; it is too good to resist.

Thanks for the BBC News tip!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:42 PM

The hypocrisy of being concerned about only celebrity kids really stinks.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:31 PM

Who is concerned about ONLY celebrity kids? I am concerned about kids, generally, whether or not mom or dad happens to be a celebrity. I am even more concerned that so many parents seem to think this sort of behavior might either be excusable or mild.

MV, My driver's license says 5'3". It is roughly as credible as the heights of college basketball players published in game programs.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 1:43 PM

While not totally on topic, but still in the same vain... have any of you tried "Not My Daughter Jeans?" I just saw them online and understand Nordstrom's and L&T carry them. Do they work? I'd love to flatten out my belly and not show butt crack at the same time!

Posted by: Jeans Question | April 20, 2007 1:46 PM

The hypocrisy of being concerned about only celebrity kids really stinks.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:31 PM


Not concerned ONLY about celeb kids, but ALL kids. THis just gets the conversation ball rolling.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:46 PM

To 01:25,
"I tend to be horrified about things that REALLY matter, not the rantings of cyberspace cretins."

If you are reading this then you must be talking about yourself because I haven't seen much ranting today other than this.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 1:48 PM

"While not totally on topic, but still in the same vain"

Still in the same "vein" is right!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:48 PM

"While not totally on topic, but still in the same vain"

Still in the same "vein" is right!!!

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:48 PM


You're so vein.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:49 PM

"Not concerned ONLY about celeb kids, but ALL kids. THis just gets the conversation ball rolling."

Right, there's been tons of concern about other people's kids on this blog!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:50 PM

Right, there's been tons of concern about other people's kids on this blog!!!!

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:50 PM


If you think that you haven't been here long, or don't read well.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:51 PM

anon at 1:42, Alec Baldwin is irrelevant. The moral of the story is that parents should consider the impact on their children of how they express their anger about life, their children, their exes or spouses, their jobs, their children's boyfriends or girlfriends, or any other topic.

Some of us are able to look at other's mistakes and say, "That's not a good idea, I'll pass if I'm ever in that situation." Others can only learn from their own mistakes. You seem to be in the latter category. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 1:52 PM

Off-topic alert:

Has everyone heard Alec Baldwin's voice mail message to his 11 or 12 year old daughter? I was amazed at some of the comments on celebritology suggesting that somehow this sort of critical, hysterical, angry language might be appropriate for a dad to direct at his child.

I was horrified. Anyone else?

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 01:14 PM


I think it absolutely disgusting the his child's mother would make that private (and also disgusting) message public.

While I understand the outrage, where is the outrage at Kim for making it public? She sure is doing a great job of parental alienation.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:52 PM

I think it absolutely disgusting the his child's mother would make that private (and also disgusting) message public.

While I understand the outrage, where is the outrage at Kim for making it public? She sure is doing a great job of parental alienation.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:52 PM


Keeping it secret would just enable Alec to keep acting like that. Abusers have no right to privacy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:54 PM

"While I understand the outrage, where is the outrage at Kim for making it public? She sure is doing a great job of parental alienation."


The outrage at Kim is all over the airwaves and the Net.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:55 PM

While I understand the outrage, where is the outrage at Kim for making it public? She sure is doing a great job of parental alienation.

Alec has repeatedly trashed Kim publicly, he has a history of verbal abuse. Kim didn't hold a gun to Alce's head and MAKE him say these things into the voice mail. He did it voluntarily. He's alienating their daughter all by himself.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 1:57 PM

1:52 - I wouldn't be making any assumptions about how the message became public. The daughter might have forwarded it to a friend, who shared it with a parent, and the parent thought it was so offensive that he / she sent it to .tmz.

I'm not defending Kim Basinger. I just think that the availability of the tape is not relevant to the question of whether such verbal abuse is ever acceptable.

Do other parents express their anger at their kids to this extent? I take a walk around the block or the office if I am angry at my oldest child and wouldn't dream of expressing my thoughts until I was under control. Why is it okay to take a nasty, nasty divorce out on a child? or more importantly, if you really believe that your child is disrespectful or not responsible, is this sort of ugly ranting likely to produce character-change?

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 1:59 PM

Alec has repeatedly trashed Kim publicly, he has a history of verbal abuse. Kim didn't hold a gun to Alce's head and MAKE him say these things into the voice mail. He did it voluntarily. He's alienating their daughter all by himself.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 01:57 PM

And you believe she is a saint? I think succeding at turning his daughter against him. I would like to see how you behave when your kids get taken from you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:01 PM

Yep MN, just like it is not okay to take it out on a police officer or someone else that you work with. Both of these are things Alec Baldwin has done. Can you imagine what he does/did when not on camera or in the public eye.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 2:01 PM

Just checked out the jeans on the Nordstrom website. There are many styles to suit different tastes/body types. Some looked nice, some looked hideous partly because of the stylist's shoe pairings.

I like the five-pocket style on the second page (happened to be the least expensive). On second look, this one appears to be just a stretch jean and may not have the tummy tuck feature. I saw enough styles that were appealing enough that I would try them on if I happened to be at a department store (not that likely).

BTW, I really hate the term "mom jeans." While I've seen a few women hovering around 40 who have the figure for trendy jeans, I find that at my age I feel more dignified in clothes that have a flattering cut for me. I'm at a healthy weight (though I'll be happy to get my walking in now that our temps are bearable--I started this morning!). Even at my slimmest, I would not have found most of the current styles flattering.

Posted by: Marian | April 20, 2007 2:01 PM

None of you have never lost it with your kids? You are all perfect parents?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:02 PM

You're probably ticked off that the George Allen macaca tape was made public. Don't hold anyone powerful accountable for their words or actions, huh?

Posted by: To 1:52 | April 20, 2007 2:03 PM

Alec telling it like it is !! Baldwin is trying to hold his daughter accountable for her actions - it doesn't matter that she is 11. In fact, lessons need to be learned at that formative age. I know plenty of "tweens" that don't have the decency or brains of a human being. Maybe if someone sat them down and gave them an earful, like good ole Alec did, they wouldn't act they way they do. I got newfound respect for the guy.

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 01:13 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:03 PM

CJB

"One of my fellow students not only took out her attacker with high heels, but a vacuum cleaner as well"

Was it a Dyson vacuum cleaner?
-------------------------------------
No, it was a canister kind with the long hose and attachments, which were pulled off and used as weapons, too.


Posted by: CJB | April 20, 2007 2:03 PM

Scarry,

Let me take your kid(s) and we will see how you react.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:03 PM

For the guys who have lasted out today's blog...what a window into a woman's world.
-------------------------------------------

99.3% of guys could not care less about what shoes you are wearing. Shoes mean nothing to us except to keep our piggies warm and the mud off of them.

If we even mention your shoes, it is only because we have been told you loved them so much and it is a good way to start a conversation with you.

Posted by: From a Guy | April 20, 2007 2:04 PM

I have over 100 pairs of shoes, yes, may Maanalo's & Jimmy Choo's. Total flats, flip flops 10 pairs. 3 pairs for working out. The rest are 2.5 - 4 inch beauties, I love each and every pair. Some I've had 15 years. Today I'm wearing red patent laeather sandals, 3 inch heals. Georgous!

Posted by: Shoefly | April 20, 2007 2:04 PM

I have over 100 pairs of shoes, yes, many Manalo's & Jimmy Choo's. Total flats, flip flops 10 pairs. 3 pairs if New Balance for working out. The rest are 2.5 - 4 inch beauties, I love each and every pair. Some I've had 15 years. Today I'm wearing red patent laeather sandals, 3 inch heals. Georgous!

Posted by: Shoefly | April 20, 2007 2:05 PM

None of you have never lost it with your kids? You are all perfect parents?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:02 PM


We're not proud of it. Unlike you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:06 PM

Scarry,

Let me take your kid(s) and we will see how you react.

Well, I think the one in my belly is pretty safe, but I will keep an extra eye on my three year old.


Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 2:08 PM

I can't get past him calling her a pig, no matter how rude she acted. She's a pre-teen, for crying out loud.

I have no what K. Basinger's role is/has been. I don't usually follow celebrity news. Sometimes you catch it without trying though, and when I heard the excerpt from the recording, I was pretty appalled.

Posted by: Marian | April 20, 2007 2:08 PM

Why is it okay to take a nasty, nasty divorce out on a child? or more importantly, if you really believe that your child is disrespectful or not responsible, is this sort of ugly ranting likely to produce character-change?

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 01:59 PM

I am sure it will get her attention now that it is so public. ;)

It is not OK, but it is not murder either, you have no idea what precipitated this freak out. This is one of the ugliest public divorces I know about and I find hard to believe there is only one guilty party.

Again, all you women who think this is beyond the pale will probably never know what it is like to have you kid taken from you. And in this instance, have you minimal access to that child messed with.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:09 PM

Mcewen just sign your posts already.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:11 PM

How much did all those shoes cost, total? Tens of thousands of $$? What have you and your family had to sacrifice in order to pay for them? Even if nothing, you still lost all those savings and interest for up to 15 years. What a waste.

Posted by: To Shoefly | April 20, 2007 2:11 PM

None of you have never lost it with your kids? You are all perfect parents?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:02 PM


We're not proud of it. Unlike you.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:06 PM

What makes you think I am not perfect :)

No, I have never lost it like he did, and I hope I never will.

Nothing like attacking the messenger. You must be so proud.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:13 PM

"I would like to see how you behave when your kids get taken from you."

If you're angry that someone "took your kids from you", take it out on the person who took them, not on the kids. You have no credibility if you think the fact that he's angry at Kim Basinger justifies treating his daughter like s***. Are you seriously that incapable of differentiating between mother and child?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:14 PM

02:11,
Who left you in charge of shoefly's budget?

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 2:15 PM

No, I have never lost it like he did, and I hope I never will.

Nothing like attacking the messenger. You must be so proud.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:13 PM

Posted by: Huh? | April 20, 2007 2:17 PM

A"gain, all you women who think this is beyond the pale will probably never know what it is like to have you kid taken from you"

They do seem to be incredibly naive and/sheltered.

And, they are rushing to judgment without knowing the facts or the context.

I'm glad my phone isn't bugged! Holy moley!! My ex would have a field day!

Posted by: Bottom feeder | April 20, 2007 2:18 PM

What makes you think I am Mcewen? Oooh, the taken kid thing.

Hmmm, I guess you are right. :)

But, I am not him. And while it may seem like I am defending Alec, I am not. I think what he said crossed the line Calling you daughter a pig is never acceptable (that should be reserved for boy children).

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:18 PM

Shoefly has an addiction.

Posted by: To Shoefly and KLB | April 20, 2007 2:18 PM

Are you seriously that incapable of differentiating between mother and child?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:14 PM

No, I am not, but I think Alec is.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:20 PM

None of you have never lost it with your kids? You are all perfect parents?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:02 PM

There's a lot more to being a perfect parent than exercising anger management and remembering your job description - raising emotionally healthy, independent, children with good values and an idea of how to treat other people -- but both are essential components of parent perfection.

I'm far from a perfect parent, but, no, I have not lost control and ranted at my children, and I hope to continue that track record. I was not aware that there were so many people who think anger, like drinking, perhaps, is a valid excuse for berating their children.

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 2:20 PM

If you think verbal abuse is bad, you should read about the school paddlings kids and teenagers receive in some public schools. Sometimes their buttocks will blister. Girls too and all legal.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:20 PM

I'm glad my phone isn't bugged! Holy moley!! My ex would have a field day!

Posted by: Bottom feeder | April 20, 2007 02:18 PM


THen maybe you need to clean up your act.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:20 PM

If you think verbal abuse is bad, you should read about the school paddlings kids and teenagers receive in some public schools. Sometimes their buttocks will blister. Girls too and all legal.

Since when is it legal to paddle someone's child in a public school.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:21 PM

Working Dad, I have not yet gotten the Rockports re-sold, but I did have a rubber "tap" put on the heel to prevent wear.

I tend to wear the rear outside quarter of a heel faster than any part of the shoe. The heel feels weird the first couple of times I wear it after the tap, but you get used to it.

Posted by: Proud Papa | April 20, 2007 2:22 PM

scarry, you're on a roll today!

As to this:

"None of you have never lost it with your kids? You are all perfect parents?"

LOL! Not even close! On the other hand, I can say that I have never called her a pig, or told her that she had no character, or said other hateful things like that to her. Yelled? Yep -- you betcha, and not proud of it. But even at my worst, I have never ever ever belittled her or challenged her worth as a human being. No behavior could possibly justify tearing your child down just to vent your own frustration.

Your kids know how to push every last button -- no doubt, and they take delight in doing it. But YOU ARE THE PARENT. So act like it. A 5-yr-old may get angry and yell mean things because he doesn't know any better; a 35-year-old doesn't have that excuse.

Posted by: Laura | April 20, 2007 2:23 PM

I honestly believe that Kim has worked really hard to turn their daughter against her father. It looks like she is succeding.

I haven't "had my kids taken from me", but I know as a man in this society, the probability of happening to me is orders of magnitude larger than it is for you as a woman. By the you treat it so fliipantly proves it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:24 PM

99.3% of guys could not care less about what shoes you are wearing. Shoes mean nothing to us except to keep our piggies warm and the mud off of them.

If we even mention your shoes, it is only because we have been told you loved them so much and it is a good way to start a conversation with you.

Posted by: From a Guy | April 20, 2007 02:04 PM

Speak only for yourself, Guy, not the entire home team. Sensible shoes will drive many men away faster than a Lamborghini.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:26 PM

"scarry, you're on a roll today!"

Well, I am looking a little rolly polly these days.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:26 PM

There's no excuse for Alec Baldwin's behavior. None. He needs serious counseling and if I was a judge, I would not allow him to see the child until he goes through anger management therapy and shows improvement.

That said, Kim Basinger clearly allowed the voicemail to be leaked to the press and in her way is using her daughter as a pawn to get back at her husband. I wish someone would take the child away from both parents, they sound like they need to be locked in a room together and they can fight each other to the death. Then a loving foster family can raise that poor girl.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 2:28 PM

With shoes as a topic, you guys were at oppression by freaking 9AM this morning.

And while it was an interesting topic, what made someone decide that the topic should be changed to Alec Balwins failure as a human being and parent?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:29 PM

Sensible shoes will drive many men away faster than a Lamborghini.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:26 PM


So will a huge collection of expensive shoes, on the theory that the guy will have to take over the cost of similar collecting once he's married to her.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:30 PM

"Those stiletto torture racks you wear make your posture worse, cause future back and knee problems.

Posted by: To shoefan | April 20, 2007 01:30 PM "

I actually have never heard of high heels being the cause of a bad back and bad knees. The problem tall shoes create for women who wear them ALL THE TIME is the shrinking of their achilles tendon. Thats why its good to vary the height of the shoes you wear. If a person has the time, a bad back can be to a degree prevented or relieved by streignth training. As for bad knees, I got those from playing various sports growing up... I also suffer from shin splints, fallen arches, and ankles that have rolled a few hundred times... should I have stopped athletics too? Where is all the fun in that?

"high heels (expensive or not) make womens legs look longer, leaner, and show off muscle. Whats wrong with that?" You're not supposed to talk about that! You don't want anyone starting a revolution about how it is all about objectifying women to make them look pretty for men! You'll ruin EVERYTHING!

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 01:27 PM"

By having great legs, I objectify women? Ladies, that wasn't the intent at all. I feel good about myself and that projects to both men AND women. I'm more confident and outgoing when I feel good about myself... not only physically but mentally too. I dont try to look and feel good for men or women, I try to look and feel good for myself. Besides whats that saying... you never get another opportunity to make a great first impression. When I walk into the good 'ol boys retired military club at work - I better be 100% on top of my game in every way possible!

Posted by: shoefan | April 20, 2007 2:31 PM

There's no excuse for Alec Baldwin's behavior. None. He needs serious counseling and if I was a judge, I would not allow him to see the child until he goes through anger management therapy and shows improvement.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 02:28 PM

Yup ,take his kid away, he is just a dad.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:31 PM

Sensible shoes will drive many men away faster than a Lamborghini.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:26 PM


So will a huge collection of expensive shoes, on the theory that the guy will have to take over the cost of similar collecting once he's married to her.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:30 PM

bwahahahahahaha! I can pay for my own shoes, 2:30 p.m., thank you very much. I suspect you can pay for your own electronics as well.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:34 PM

You're only thinking about immediate gratification. Adults understand longterm consequences of harm to backs, knees, hips, posture etc. from wearing extreme shoes like you do.

Posted by: To shoefan | April 20, 2007 2:35 PM

Speak only for yourself, Guy, not the entire home team. Sensible shoes will drive many men away faster than a Lamborghini.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:26 PM

You must be part of that 0.7%. Most men don't seem to look down that far. Just ask the women here. A common comment goes something like this, Hello, guy, my eyes are 12" higher than where you are looking.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:36 PM

I suspect you can pay for your own electronics as well.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:34 PM


Meaning what?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:37 PM

"Sensible shoes will drive many men away faster than a Lamborghini."

Right. The women who wear sensible shoes tend to be homely and shapeless anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:37 PM

I can pay for my own shoes, 2:30 p.m., thank you very much.

Now there's a mandate for VLI.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:38 PM

2:31, I should have said that he should not be allowed to see his child unaccompanied until he has been through counseling. My bad.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 2:39 PM

men notice women's shoes? only when men are on a escalator below you.

Posted by: Escalator | April 20, 2007 2:40 PM

The women who wear sensible shoes tend to be homely and shapeless anyway.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:37 PM


Like all those beautiful females who work out to stay in shape?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:42 PM

The students were given several options: They can elect to count only work completed as of Monday; they can count work until the attacks plus any other assignments they choose to complete; or they can count work from the entire semester.

Officials emphasized that there will be no hard-and-fast rules. Students can switch to a pass/fail grade, change their mind about having an exam graded after taking it, even stay home for the rest of the year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/19/AR2007041902838.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: Virginia Tech Offers Grading Flexibility To Reduce Pressure | April 20, 2007 2:43 PM

"The students were given several options: They can elect to count only work completed as of Monday; they can count work until the attacks plus any other assignments they choose to complete; or they can count work from the entire semester."

This is the height of stupiditiy!!

The students are still in shock! It's too soon for some of them to make major decisions.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:47 PM

You're only thinking about immediate gratification. Adults understand longterm consequences of harm to backs, knees, hips, posture etc. from wearing extreme shoes like you do.

Posted by: To shoefan | April 20, 2007 02:35 PM

A simple poll is in order: who sounds happier with herself, shoefan, or anon at 2:35?

I'll take comfortable in her own skin over more sanctimonious-than-thou any day of the week.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:49 PM

shoefan,

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:50 PM

I'll take comfortable in her own skin over more sanctimonious-than-thou any day of the week.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 02:49 PM


Addicts, go wild, because you now have an enabler on this blog!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:53 PM

Christina Ricci's shopping addiction is so severe, she's been ordered by her own management to cease her obsessive purchasing. The Black Snake Moan star, who admits to replacing all the books in her shelves with shoes, was told to stop buying extravagant fashion items because it was causing havoc with her finances.

Ricci, 27, says, "I was told by my business manager that I have to stop buying clothes. I'm not allowed to buy any more fur, no more jewelry. I spent a lot of money."

Posted by: Christina Ricci Is Ordered To Stop Shopping | April 20, 2007 2:55 PM

2:31, I should have said that he should not be allowed to see his child unaccompanied until he has been through counseling. My bad.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 02:39 PM

I think this would be better, but we have no idea what is going on in this relationship. To assume he is the only one that needs counseling to the extend he is saparated from from his child.

I also think,that if a person as fair and right minded as you can posit that response, there is a more widespread view that fathers only one bad act away from having their relationships with their children severed or supervised.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 2:55 PM

First, why is spending money on something someone else does not value evidence of an "addiction"? I don't spend money on a big lawn or fancy vacation. We do spend it on going to see bands we like. We are not addicted because we choose differently than you, 2:53.

Second, what is enabling about preferring to spend time with adults who are happy with themselves rather than with finger-wagging harrigans?

Posted by: Megan's Neighbor | April 20, 2007 2:59 PM

Proud Papa,
I didn't know you could tap rubber soles, at least the soft-rubber Rockports I get. I used to have heel taps on my leather-soled shoes.

Thanks for the tip on the tap.

Posted by: Working Dad | April 20, 2007 3:00 PM

please excuse the typo, "harrigans" should be "harridans".

Posted by: MN | April 20, 2007 3:00 PM

My vote for shoefan.

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 3:01 PM

please excuse the typo, "harrigans" should be "harridans".

I was going to say, didn't you mean "Harrigan", like the song?

H
A
Double-r
I
G
A
N
spells Harrigan!

Posted by: MdMother | April 20, 2007 3:03 PM

For the person who responded with the orthopedic insoles suggestion:

My pronation is bad, but not as bad as that. It does wear out one part of the heel and my phys. therapy helps to straighten it out a bit more. But once the heel gets worn down just a little bit, I have to get new shoes because I can't prevent the pronation.

btw, women can also save their shoes with sole savers and taps. It really extends the shoes' lives.

Posted by: Working Dad | April 20, 2007 3:04 PM

Megan's Neighbor

"Second, what is enabling about preferring to spend time with adults who are happy with themselves rather than with finger-wagging harrigans? "

Sharp faced harpies is more like it!


Posted by: Bottom feeder | April 20, 2007 3:06 PM

2:55 -- I am married to a man who has a child from a previous marriage. My husband's relationship with his ex-wife was acrimonious at best. (Thankfully, my stepdaughter began living with us some years ago and we have had no contact with her mother -- a most discontent and angry woman -- since.)

I am probably one of the last people on the planet to assume anything about divorced fathers, because I've been on the side of the good, honest man who wants to be with his child, wants what's best for his child, getting screwed every which way but loose by a court that, by the admittance of the Child Support Services people we worked with over the years, was very much in favor of the birth mother's "mystical" rights.

So while Alec Baldwin's anger in his message alarmed me, I am able to see the other side. I really, really am. I've been there.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 3:06 PM

Shoefan.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 3:07 PM

You're only thinking about immediate gratification. Adults understand longterm consequences of harm to backs, knees, hips, posture etc. from wearing extreme shoes like you do.

Posted by: To shoefan | April 20, 2007 02:35 PM

Immediate gratification? I've been dealing with irreversable damage to my knees and other aches and pains for more years than you think. I'm very familiar with long term consequences.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:08 PM

Shoefan vs. ascetic?

Shoefan. And I'm no fan of shoes!

Bummer about Ricci, I think we all have things we struggle with--but I don't see that Shoefan is akin to Imelda Marcos.

I don't where scolding here is convincing her to change her ways. If she is interested, no doubt Michelle Singletary will scold her.

Posted by: Maryland Mother | April 20, 2007 3:08 PM

shoefan because I also collect things. I don't see a problem with it.

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 3:08 PM

I vote for swimfan.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:10 PM

Michelle Singletary is where I go when I want someone to make me feel horrible about behavior I already know is not in my best interest. I do not visit often.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:10 PM

02:03 PM, woah, that was not me. I was looking at world net daily and reading Chuck Norris articles and stuff about nukes. Very frightening...
By the way, watch out for traffic as truckers will be protesting the administration to allow Mexican truckers full access to the U.S.

Anyway, nobody should talk down to children. That is not how you set a good example for them. I don't even know what the guy said... but I would certainly not say those things.

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 3:12 PM

Are there two sides to the only question that matters, is it okay to berate your child, call her a pig, rant on and on about how terrible she is?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:14 PM

Michelle Singletary is where I go when I want someone to make me feel horrible about behavior I already know is not in my best interest. I do not visit often.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 03:10 PM

Me either. Can you just picture her at a party, cataloging how much money you "wasted" and later talking about how much better off you would have been if only you had skipped the brie and stuck with CheezWiz?

I get the feeling she is a real kill-joy at every social gathering. I doubt she has to say a word to get her viewpoints on how you spend your money...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:14 PM

is it okay to berate your child, call her a pig, rant on and on about how terrible she is?

No.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:19 PM

I knew that wasn't you Chris. Where are the truckers protesting?

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 3:20 PM

Michelle Singletary

She puts on this big act that her husband is the "Head of the House" and then she rules with an iron fist.

Controlling tyrant. Hypocrite.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:21 PM

Want to find the .7% of men who will look at women's shoes? Wear cowboy boots. They will not only look, but frequently covet.

What my shoes say:
- I walk a lot
- I will pay more money for fewer shoes
- I don't like boring
- I don't like girly
- I'm tall enough, thanks, but willing to stretch it an inch or two

Posted by: urban cowgirl | April 20, 2007 3:23 PM

The truckers will be circling the capitol region 23, 24 and 25 April to protest a federal government plan to allow Mexican long-haul rigs to operate throughout the U.S.

Not only would the American Trucker's jobs be at risk, but think of the potential security implications as well. So, while I dislike the idea of the traffic delays this protest will cause, I understand them and dislike the idea of yet another security risk.

Our government needs to be helping build a better Mexico that people will not flee- rather than create more problems for America.

As it is, they just announced that only 1.3 percent of all imported food is inspected, and about 1/3 of that is contaminated.

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 3:31 PM

I agree with you Chris. That is really scary about the food. thanks

Posted by: scarry | April 20, 2007 3:36 PM

Chris

"As it is, they just announced that only 1.3 percent of all imported food is inspected, and about 1/3 of that is contaminated. "

Another reason for me to hunt.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:37 PM

Ah, shoes - I just peeked into DSW today, because they were having an additional 30% off all their clearance shoes - I only buy clearance shoes ... but I still probably buy too many. I agree with the short girl comments - I've never worn a heel higher than 3 inches - otherwise I feel like I'm practicing pointe or something. I have my days when I worry I might be damaging my feet ... but have convinced myself that when I am old I can wear slippers every day :)
The most I ever paid for shoes was just last month - $40. But I admit I have been pining for a pair of really nice cowboy boots, and am anticipating I will have to spend about $100 for those - haven't brought myself to do it yet :)

Posted by: TakomaMom | April 20, 2007 3:38 PM

Another reason for me to hunt.

God don't wake up the vegans.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:39 PM

LMAO @ 3:39

If after perusing that news source you are not at ease, allow me to refer you to
approvedgasmasks.com
and
ki4u.com

Posted by: Chris | April 20, 2007 3:41 PM

I love shoes. All shoes. Any shoes. But, regardless of what you choose, I must point out what is in my opinion the biggest shoe mistakes: wearing panty hose with open toed shoes. For the love of all that is good, PLEASE don't do this!

Re: Baldwin/Basinger . . . clearly Alec should not speak to his daughter like that. It is one thing to be angry; it is quite another to be verbally abusive. That being said, it is well-known that they BOTH (Kim and Alec) have done/said some pretty nasty things to each other. This is not all on Alec. Further, it is also well-known that Kim has wanted to deny Alec a meaningful relationship with his daughter for some time. So, I'm sure there is some of her turning the daughter against him in my view. Still, he needs to direct his anger where it belongs.

Ok, I need to stop watching Access Hollywood, reading Celebritology, etc. YES, I do this for and am unapologetic.

Posted by: JS | April 20, 2007 3:44 PM

"Another reason for me to hunt.

God don't wake up the vegans."

But I donate most of the kill to the food bank.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:45 PM

I have wide feet and bunions, so sensible shoes for me. Once I found zappos.com and shoes. Com I don't go shopping in stores anymore. You have a year to return them and it is free shipping. Awesome. And I haven't worn heels in years- but I found a great brand (softspots) on line and they do not feel liuke I'm wearing heels at all. I was so excitted. I will one day get surgery for the bunions, but not yet.

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 3:45 PM

But I donate most of the kill to the food bank.

You could hunt vegtables.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:46 PM

Does anyone remember that scene from "Notting Hill" where Hugh Grant's blind date is a "fruitarian" who eats only fruit that has fallen from the trees because if you pick something it's murder?

Posted by: WorkingMomX | April 20, 2007 3:48 PM

"I have wide feet and bunions, so sensible shoes for me"


Yuck, do you ever get laid?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:50 PM

LOL, working momx. I googled it and look at this. They only eat raw fruit.

"If you eat cooked foods and in particular flesh of animals, then your body is automatically poisoned and you condemned to develop in yourself a lot of low quality of thoughts, feelings and emotions...and if you want to develop high levels of intellectual, artistic or spiritual life then you will have to go on big "sweat" and maybe pain to conquer your goals...with fruit nutrition, the results of your creation will be brilliant, colorful and enchanting... "

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:51 PM


there are killjoy nutcases worse than the vegans who post here?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:53 PM

there are killjoy nutcases worse than the vegans who post here?

Is that a question or a statement?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 3:55 PM

"But I admit I have been pining for a pair of really nice cowboy boots, and am anticipating I will have to spend about $100 for those"

Urk.

I don't know what "really nice" means to you, but with cowboy boots it's fatally easy to spend far more than that for good ones. Mine were all bought on sale for right around $200. It would be easy to spend $400-500, and possible to spend upwards of a thousand. Good ones will cradle your feet like a tennis shoe, though.

It's a good thing that more expensive boots are usually too garish for my tastes.

Posted by: urban cowgirl | April 20, 2007 3:55 PM

e"there are killjoy nutcases worse than the vegans who post here? "


Yep. The sex only with a spouse, only for the purpose of creating a baby types, for example.

Posted by: I LOVE BUSH | April 20, 2007 3:57 PM

So right about how much some people COULD spend - I have some pretty low standards - really nice means I didn't buy them at WalMart :)

Posted by: TakomaMom | April 20, 2007 4:04 PM

Be green. Reduce carbon emissions. Eat local. That'll cut back on the Mexican long-haulers. ANd it may well be a heck of lot healthier.

Posted by: Greenie | April 20, 2007 4:14 PM

there are killjoy nutcases worse than the vegans who post here?

Is that a question or a statement?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 03:55 PM

I learned in first grade that a question mark indicates a question.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:26 PM

there are killjoy nutcases worse than the vegans who post here?

Well good for you, but that seems like a statement to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:32 PM

sex only with a spouse

Yours cheats on you?

Posted by: To I LOVE BUSH | April 20, 2007 4:32 PM

Well good for you, but that seems like a statement to me.

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 04:32 PM

do you have a point?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:36 PM

"I have wide feet and bunions, so sensible shoes for me"


Yuck, do you ever get laid?

Posted by: | April 20, 2007 03:50 PM

always with the lights out

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:38 PM

ignore the trolls altmom.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:39 PM

Want to find the .7% of men who will look at women's shoes? Wear cowboy boots. They will not only look, but frequently covet.
----------------------------------------------

Cowboy boots sometimes transcend mere footwear to become works of art!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:51 PM

Possible Gunman at Johnson Space Center
April 20, 2007 04:25 PM EDT

Houston, April 20, 2007 -- Building 44, The Communications and Tracking Development Building, at the Johnson Space Center has been evacuated because of a possible gunman in the building. According to reports from Houston area media, no gun shots have been heard.

A phone call came in at about 1:40 p.m. that a man had come into the building with a gun.

Eileen Holley from NASA told a local television station, "We got a report of an individual in one of our buildings with a gun. We do have security in the building."

Holley says the "situation is ongoing and we're continuing to make the situation safe." She says officials are "trying to ascertain the whereabouts of everyone who was in the building." She says the Houston Police Department has been called in. She did not have the "name or identification" of any individual and could not say if security inside the building had made contact with the possible gunman. "I have not gotten a report out of the building."

Captain Jack William of Houston Fire Department says "At this time, as far as I know there are no reports of injury." He says he has not talked to units on the scene but has been talking to his dispatcher. "I do not have anybody physically inside the danger area."

A woman told a station her husband is in an adjacent building and "He said he had just come from building 44 about 30 minutes prior. " She said he told her people were telling him there were "four or five gunshots." Those reports have not been confirmed.

An intermediate school on Johnson Space Center property but outside the secure area of the center was under lockdown simply as a precaution earlier in the day, the lockdown has been lifted. There are reportedly 900-1100 students at the Johnson Space Center Intermediate School.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 4:54 PM

I'm a vegetarian...but I've not been called a killjoy. I simply take my pleasures in things other than killing and eating animals.

Posted by: single western mom | April 20, 2007 4:59 PM

I'm a vegetarian, too. Not a vegan yet, because of my well-known love of ice cream, but maybe someday when they make really good non-dairy substitutes. Meanwhile, thank goodness chocolate is a plant product :-)))

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 5:06 PM

to 3:50 have a wonderful husband and 2 kids, thanks for asking. I bet many women on here, who now wear comfortable shoes, have similar issues with their feet.

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 5:11 PM

Not only what atlmom said, but also this: a woman whose feet have no pain is a whole lot happier (and likelier to be "in the mood") than one whose feet are hurting.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 5:24 PM

Did we get this far on this blog today without talking about toe cleavage?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 5:33 PM

thanks, catlady. My feet weren't what made my husband like me. But he doesn't mind them at all.

They're hidden most of the time, anyway. Us women learn too late, usually, how to find the right shoes. As I said, I have a hard to fit foot - and shopping on line is a godsend! No joke...I definitely love shopping on line, and don't think I'm likely to stop...

my husband definitely makes fun of me about that. I will get shoes and they will sit around and he asks: what are you doing about them, I say: I'm thinking, but I will probably return them. And he waits for me...I finally get to the UPS store to return them, and order more. If he didn't make fun of me about that, he would make fun of me about something else.

But it is SO awesome to find shoes that fit and that are comfortable. I finally realized, that I hate always wearing sensible shoes - and found a pair with 1 1/2 inch heels and they are one of the most comfortable pairs of shoes I've ever worn.

AND< BIG NEWS... Our au pair got her visa today. She arrives the end of May. We are SO excited. Can't wait. She's coming from Brazil and we already love her.

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 5:37 PM

Yeah...I realized lately that toe cleavage is WAY popular these days. It makes sense, actually, if you look at all of these pointy toes shoes that are better for feet (i.e., the feet are not in the pointy part...)
I spend way too much time thinking about these things. But yes, I do notice other people's shoes....

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 5:38 PM

To atlmom: If it's not too personal, where in Brazil?

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 5:39 PM

Outside Sao Paulo, catlady.

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 5:48 PM

Ela é paulista!

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 5:51 PM

atlmom: When she arrives, tell her "Bem vinda aos Estados Unidos"!

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 6:09 PM

Oh, so i guess you know portuguese. I don't - just a few words in Spanish. Her english is getting better each time we talk with her (via phone and email). But we're quite excited.

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 6:18 PM

atlmom, I'm sure one of the attractions for her in coming to work in the US is the chance to become fluent in American English. Multilinguality is getting to be more and more important in order to get ahead in the world nowadays.

Posted by: catlady | April 20, 2007 6:24 PM

OK - what is toe cleavage?

Posted by: KLB SS MD | April 20, 2007 7:33 PM

Catlady: Of course- most of the au pairs don't know english all that well, but it is one of the things that everyone wants to learn. My current nanny started out as an au pair - and she told me for the first few weeks that she was just nodding to everything because she didn't really understand.

KLB: it's where the toes meet the foot - and many pointy toed shoes these days shoe that part of the foot. I suppose so that your foot is not crammed in there and so possibly it's a little more comfortable. Even though I can't wear the cutest shoes, I look at people's shoes *all* the time - and that's something that seems to be in style now. Especially since the style is also not to wear socks or stockings (well, at least in atlanta, I don't know about places where it really gets cold).

Posted by: atlmom | April 20, 2007 7:49 PM

OK, toe cleavage is hot.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2007 10:39 PM

I need more shoes!

Posted by: stapleshy | April 20, 2007 11:14 PM

and leslie took me to task when I predicted that soon we would be back to inane topics. today;s discussion is the proof.

Posted by: Bryn Mawr | April 20, 2007 11:54 PM

and leslie took me to task when I predicted that soon we would be back to inane topics. today;s discussion is the proof.

Posted by: Bryn Mawr | April 20, 2007 11:54 PM

and you are online reading other people's comments at midnight on a Friday night. How inane is that?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 11:34 AM

Shoes didn't get me my $140,000 a year salary. I am 40 and I wear flats 95% of the time I'm at work. I'm not going to wreck my feet for fashion.

Posted by: LMN | April 23, 2007 5:34 PM

I've definitely learned that if I want the fashionable high heels, then it's worth it to spend the money. I have spent $80 on shoes that hurt my feet and $400 on shoes I could wear for a week straight. Finding the right fit is KEY!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 23, 2007 5:42 PM

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