The 68-Year-Old Entrepreneur, Part I

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By Joan Weintrob

There I was, less than a month after graduating from college and already married. Yes, that's the way we did it back in 1960. My mother and three aunts were all working mothers and I was about to follow in their footsteps. Married life and work was an adventure--moving from the East Coast to Los Angeles and work as an occupational therapist on the beach in Santa Monica.

Then came pregnancy and baby, followed immediately by a move to Dayton, Ohio, where I had no family and few friends. Feeling the same urgency to work, I applied at the Veterans Administration Hospital. Compared with most of today's working mothers, I had life relatively easy. Our housekeeper-caregiver always arrived on time and the pay difference between my salary and hers certainly made it financially attractive for me to work. Still, at the end of the week, I was exhausted and often crying, without anyone to complain to. A year in scenic Dayton was enough, and I was more than ready when my husband took a job opportunity in Washington, D.C.

Washington was busy and exciting. There were new friends; family was much closer. I bought a tuxedo for my husband (it still fits!) so he could be properly dressed when we attended openings at the Corcoran Museum. We generally enjoyed the Washington scene. Being a little wiser, I switched to part-time work and managed to allay some of the guilt of being a working mom. Three years passed quickly with a break from work for another baby and a stint as a full-time mother. Then we were off to Dallas, for another, apparently better job opportunity for my husband.

Dallas had some advantages, including a beautiful home at a modest cost. But with two little ones (ages four and one), I really felt that I had to get out of the house at least part of the time. So, once more into the fray, working part-time at a rehabilitation center with a caregiver coming to the house. Life was hectic, but I was maturing (aging?) and so the stress became more tolerable. But at our income level, working wives were much less common in Dallas than in D.C., and I was more of an anomaly in a society of stay-at-home moms.

In little more than a year, the apparent job opportunity in Texas evaporated and we were on our way, not unhappily, back to Washington. My "retirement" lasted all of two months. A call came from the Occupational Therapy Department at The Fairfax Hospital (now Inova Fairfax). Would I join their department? Though I still had not learned to say "no," I at least had the good sense to say "part-time."

However, within a year I was head of the department, working full-time. Thank God for a wonderful stay-at-home neighbor, a supportive husband who could run carpool and a nearby day-care situation. Without doubt, I was now a full-time working mom and the family would just have to live with it.

Work was interesting; I was active in the professional therapist network, and each year the children were older and I felt less guilt. After about four years I became interested in therapy for injured hands. That led to learning about hand braces, and before I knew it, I was off on another work adventure. I persuaded the hospital administration to back me in starting an orthotics department. That meant going to New York University for two or three weeks at a time to take the needed courses.

My family coped, and, frankly, I think that my absence turned into a pretty good learning situation for them as they all had to work a little harder to keep things running. Establishing a new hospital department was challenging, but I enjoyed it. We added prosthetics to the department's capability after I attended more classes for weeks at a time at Northwestern University in Chicago. I managed the Orthotics & Prosthetics department for five years. I loved the job, great co-workers, reasonable salary, cooperative management ... the only thing that could be better would be to run my own orthotic and prosthetic facility.

To be continued next Tuesday, Sept. 4.

Joan Weintrob, 68, is the founder and president of the Orthotic Prosthetic Center Inc., based in Fairfax, VA and Rockville, MD. Since its founding in 1980, OPC has changed the lives of thousands of adults and children by pioneering prosthetic body parts including upper and lower extremities, energy-storing feet, hydraulic and computer-controlled knees, and ultra-light titanium and graphite components, allowing people who have lost limbs to return to active, athletic lives. Weintrob works full-time and has no plan to retire anytime soon. She lives in Potomac, Md., with her husband; she has two sons and four grandchildren. Her company was recently featured on The Discovery Channel Rebuilt: The Human Body Shop.

By Leslie Morgan Steiner |  August 28, 2007; 6:15 AM ET  | Category:  Guest Blogs
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Sounds like you have a lot of experience balancing. Er... congratulations?

Posted by: ProudPapa15 | August 28, 2007 7:50 AM

Why on earth is this "to be continued"? All I can say is "Sounds like you have lead a busy life thus far, Joan." Did I miss a lesson in there somewhere?

pATRICK, I'm so sorry about your dad.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | August 28, 2007 7:56 AM

thank you WORKINGMOMX, umm is there a point to this ladie"s blog?

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 8:04 AM

I got dizzy trying to keep track of all the city-hopping in her article, and looked in vain for some discussion of "balance". Didn't really see one other than the throwaway comments about "working mother guilt".

Posted by: johnl | August 28, 2007 8:05 AM

"Three years passed quickly with a break from work for another baby and a stint as a full-time mother."

Glad you have lead an interesting life, but you lost me with this comment. I don't consider myself a part time mom because I work. I guess I just don't get your point, but congrats on the blog.

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 8:13 AM

OT from yesterday, re the term bababooey. Strangely, I found it in the urban dictionary and didn't tell you all. It's a nasty term I assume only a guy would use. Bababooey is a man and a freak, or a seriously naive woman. Gack.

Not impressed with the guest blog. Should I list all the places I've lived and jobs I've had and when the baby was born and when I went back to work?

Posted by: atb2 | August 28, 2007 8:32 AM

My $.02: The only way to deal with people like bababooey is to ignore them completely. Do not respond, even when provoked, do not admit his/her very existence on this blog. There are idiots everywhere, but the beautiful thing about the idiots on the internet is you don't have to communicate with them unless you want to!

Posted by: WorkingMomX | August 28, 2007 8:40 AM

"Our housekeeper-caregiver always arrived on time and the pay difference between my salary and hers certainly made it financially attractive for me to work. Still, at the end of the week, I was exhausted and often crying, without anyone to complain to."

In addition to the comment scarry identified, this comment could easily have been written by Mrs. X of The Nanny Diaries. "Wow, I have a full-time housekeeper and nanny, but I am sooooo tired."

Posted by: gcoward | August 28, 2007 8:40 AM

And the point of all this is......what? So she had a job and kids. So she successfully started an orthotics clinic. She had a nanny and housekeeper, a supportive husband, and a neighbor who helped out. Yea for her. I'm a single mom who started and owns her business. No nanny or housekeeper. When the dishes and laundry got done, it was me who did it. When OrganicKid was sick, I stayed up all night, and still was able to get to my clients the next day. Now that I have OrganicGuy to help out, it was actually difficult stepping back and letting him help. He's a saint for being so patient with me, and I know we're doing much better at sharing responsibilities. Sorry, Joan. Color me unimpressed. Most of us do just as much, with much less.

Posted by: OrganicGal | August 28, 2007 8:45 AM

I'm with the others. I'm at a loss with respect to why this blog was published in this forum. And 2 parts? Why?

Would be interested in hearing what Leslie has to say about this blog and why she included it in her column. Or is Leslie on vacation?

Posted by: londonmom | August 28, 2007 8:46 AM

Hey all. pATRICK, sorry to hear about your dad. it's gotta be rough.

As for this blog, great, but most people with 40 years of work experience have done lots of things.

Wasn't bababooey someone on the howard stern show years ago? So whatever weird definition there is for the word, maybe it ties back to that?

Anyway, I try to skip those postings, but thankfully, I didn't have to yesterday.

And, Freida & Fred, that was a great blog yesterday, and it's wonderful you're helping build NO in your own ways. And having family nearby is good, if they're helpful and a part of your life, but when they're detrimental, it's not that wonderful. Just another point of view.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 8:47 AM

londonmom: yes, leslie said she's on vacation.

But, if it's a two parter, why couldn't the two parts be back to back, as opposed to a week apart. I can hardly remember what I had for breakfast, let alone a blog from a week ago.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 8:48 AM

gcoward- I'm not going to confuse this woman with Mrs. X, because she worked and worked hard. However, I'm occassionally floored to hear how tired some women (and one I know well) are when they don't work and have nannies and housekeepers. I know another who falls apart when her husband is out of town. Again, she doesn't work and has help. That's pathetic. My husband and I both work and have no help and can manage the house and baby just fine when the other is out of town. I can't imagine being so helpless. It makes me seriously dislike them.

Posted by: atb2 | August 28, 2007 8:50 AM

Well Joan, nice biography. Part I was only 691 words, only 391 more words than what would be taken for consideration. Oh well, I gues Leslie is cutting Grandma a little slack today.

My mother too, married in the early 60s right after college. She now has 12 grandchildren and visits with them all on a regular basis.

It was a heck of a lot easier back then to raise kids, don't you think?

Posted by: Lil_Husky | August 28, 2007 8:53 AM

atb: yes, it is amazing. My grandmother raised two kids, alone, worked 6 days a week, cooked dinner from scratch every night, cleaned the apartment, did the laundry, etc. I am definitely in awe, and do realize how wonderful I have it.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 8:53 AM

"But, if it's a two parter, why couldn't the two parts be back to back, as opposed to a week apart."

part two will be tomorrow, but this is ridiculous. It's the Internet. The word-limit is arbitrary because there's no space limitation on this column. The days of Dickens publishing a chapter a week are long gone and it's inefficient and insulting to post half of a blog column. As though we should hold our collective breath until tomorrow morning?

Posted by: gcoward | August 28, 2007 8:55 AM

gcoward: it says:

To be continued next Tuesday, Sept. 4.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 8:57 AM

gcoward, Wasn't Dickens sometimes paid by the word?

Posted by: mehitabel | August 28, 2007 8:59 AM

Clearly, today's post was vacation filler.

So, let me add a little more filler by saying, Hey Alberto Gonzales, I hope you fall down the front stairs on your way out of DoJ. Thanks for wrecking (helping wreck/attempting to wreck) one of the great government institutions of this country.

Posted by: ProudPapa15 | August 28, 2007 9:00 AM

PP: don't hold back, tell us how you feel!

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 9:01 AM

oh, and wonderful paper that it is, our local paper, had as headline yesterday: Vick pleads guilty. (on the website)

You had to find a real paper to find out that gonzales resigned.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 9:02 AM

Two part guest blog? Just gives me more to chew on! Chomp, chomp!

Posted by: nonamehere | August 28, 2007 9:03 AM

Completely aside from today's blog, I was out doing OrganicStuff yesterday, and just now read the blog and comments. Fred and Frieda, thank you. For your commitment to your community, for your sharing your experiences with us, and for your grace and humor at both. We do benefit from your presence.
pATRICK, I haven't been here long, but you by turns irritate and impress me. And will probably continue to do so :-), but you do have my sympathy regarding your dad. I wish I had some words of help, but all I can say is that I have an independent cuss of a mom, so I can understand how this will be especially hard. Good luck, and remember you can always vent here!

Posted by: OrganicGal | August 28, 2007 9:05 AM

Hey, in the defense of Gonzales, at least he didn't hire illegal aliens to take care of his kids in his climb to the top of the Justice Department!

Posted by: Lil_Husky | August 28, 2007 9:08 AM

I found the reference to the poorly paid nanny-housekeeper a little annoying. She had interesting work, control over her time and enough money to hire help, but poor thing was so tired at the end of the day and had no one to cry to. How did the nanny-housekeeper feel at the end of the day?

Posted by: skylark1 | August 28, 2007 9:08 AM

pATRICK, I have been searching for the most appropriate words to express my sympathies as well, and OrganicGal hits it right on the head. Please permit me to parrot her comments. Hang in there.

Posted by: ProudPapa15 | August 28, 2007 9:09 AM

pATRICK: my grandmother is in an assisted living facility now, but she is definitely very independent, and it sounds like some of the traits your dad has. So she didn't want anyone to take charge of her checkbook or anything, so it was a gradual thing (she had to move out of her apt when her sisters passed, and luckily she could stay with another sister, until, she too, recently passed - my grandmother is the oldest of 7 or so, and the only sibling left).

Anyway, try to ensure that any accounts your dad has are joint, so that the transition can be made and gradually - either with you or a sibling or your mom. It sounds like it won't be easy...

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 9:09 AM

And what did Vick do that was so terrible?

Posted by: Lil_Husky | August 28, 2007 9:10 AM

Hey, in the defense of Gonzales, at least he didn't hire illegal aliens to take care of his kids in his climb to the top of the Justice Department!

Posted by: Lil_Husky | August 28, 2007 09:08 AM


:-)

He didn't climb to the top of anything. He went looking for the nearest coattails he could find and rode them as far as he could. Just goes to show, you keep a guy from getting prosecuted for dodging his air national guard commitments and you have a friend for life....

Posted by: ProudPapa15 | August 28, 2007 9:11 AM

(not taking the bait)

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 9:11 AM

pATRICK so sorry to hear about your dad. You may want to conisder just getting a regular old ATD alarm system. You can set it to stay and if he opens the door to go out, it beeps. It is not loud and should not scare him, but it will let whoever is watching him know he is trying to leave.

I use it because my three year old has been trying to sneak out.

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 9:13 AM

irishgirl: that's a great idea. There was a case here in Atlanta where mom and dad were at the hospital, mom giving birth, and their 3 YO was staying at a friend's house, opened the door in the middle of the night, and walked outside. I don't even know if anyone knew he could do that. He was killed by a car, and it was one of the most tragic things I had ever heard.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 9:17 AM

altmom she can open the door to the garage and the garage door.

That is so sad about that little boy. I never would have thought that she could open the door until I saw her do it.

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 9:20 AM

irishgirl: yeah, it can be really scary. The reality is that my 5 YO can open the door, and while I think he only does it if someone is there, there's nothing he could do to stop the 2YO from going out and running in the street if he did open the door (except to say: stop! - not entirely effective for a 2 YO).

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 9:25 AM

Okay, you guys are freaking me out. I've seen my 2-year-old turn doornobs to get in/out rooms. I thought it was pretty cool that he can do that. He's been able to do it for a couple of months now.

I never considered that he might leave the house.

We lock the screen door because it's light enough that he can push it open. Now that you mention it I'm pretty sure he can go out the back door into the backyard if he sets his mind to it. Maybe I should get a drawbridge or some aligators or something. :-)

Posted by: ProudPapa15 | August 28, 2007 9:42 AM

Thank you once again for all of your kind words concerning my dad. The little things are very jarring to me. We went to play pool which we often have in the past. My dad kept forgetting that you have to hit the cue ball first then your ball. Things like this really make you feel helpless. After the 2nd time of reminding him, we played pool his way because it would just embarrass him if I kept reminding him. Very strange situation to find yourself in.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 9:45 AM

Any advice on 2-year old sneaking out of bedroom in middle of night and screaming unless we bring him to bed with us?

I know it is a phase and we should just keep bringing him back to his room, but he can open the door easily enough and is a stubborn little guy.

With a DS2 coming soon, we are trying to kill this bad habit pronto.

Posted by: londonmom | August 28, 2007 9:55 AM

LondonMom -

You could also sweeten the pot a bit with something special for him/her to keep in the bed - like a favorite stuffed animal. Once he/he gets out of bed then the special thing goes away for the night.

I'm not in favor of locking kids into their rooms or locking the door to your room. Any notice positive or negative will reward this behavior, so you have to ignore screaming and scoot the child back to bed like a Zombie (usually not a problem for sleepy parents).

Also consider whether he's doing a long afternoon nap or going to bed a bit early. Sometimes a two year old needs to drop the nap to make sure they're tired enough to sleep soundly through the night.

Posted by: RedBird27 | August 28, 2007 10:04 AM

"Any advice on 2-year old sneaking out of bedroom in middle of night and screaming unless we bring him to bed with us?"

Londonmom, my advice is for you to get a king-size bed.

Posted by: Lil_Husky | August 28, 2007 10:04 AM

Londonmom -- I didn't have to resort to this, but my sister turned the door knob around so she could lock my nephew in his room. Just an idea. Anyway, I highly recommend dealing with it in some way before your little one arrives, or you will be fainting with exhaustion.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | August 28, 2007 10:05 AM

londonmom: maybe try to phase it out. I.e., tell him that one night a week, he can sleep with you - and maybe he'd look forward to that night all week, and then you could eventually wean him from that.

So maybe make it Friday or Saturday night.

You can threaten with going back to the crib, but that can backfire.

Or you can give him treats (doesn't have to be candy - stickers, cars, whatever - as you might do for potty training) any night he stays in his room all night long.

Hope something helps...

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 10:06 AM

«moving from the East Coast to Los Angeles»
«a move to Dayton, Ohio, where I had no family and few friends.»
«a job opportunity in Washington, D.C.»
«off to Dallas,»
«back to Washington.»
«going to New York University for two or three weeks at a time »
«more classes for weeks at a time at Northwestern University in Chicago.»
«Posted by: Joan Weintrob | August 28, 2007; 6:15 AM ET»

The vast deserts of Arabia, ar-Rab` al-Khali «empty quarter», Arab families, they would live at one oasis, then they would move on to another oasis, then another, that is how they lived their whole lives, wandering, looking for water and fresh grass, tethering their camels first here, then there. This lady, Mrs. Weintrob, she says that her family, they moved to the West Coast and then Ohio and then D.C. and then Texas and then back to D.C., they were following «job opportunities» for her husband. Water, that is what is precious in Arabia, here in America it is «job opportunities», they are the new «water and fresh grass», so many people wander without putting down roots, they are like the Arabs moving from oasis to oasis in the Rab` al-Khali. Leave the desert, go north, there is the shining city al-Quds (crusaders and Zionists call it «Jerusalem») in Palestine, put down roots there, no need any more to wander like ancient Arabs.

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | August 28, 2007 10:24 AM

We have safety knobs on all doors that we do not want our 3 yr old DD to have access. As soon as she could walk she was opening the front door (and all doors) so just about every door in the house (interior and exterior) have safety knobs. My parents recently visited and told me a story of grandparents watching their 2 yr old grandchild and put the child down for a nap. The kid got out of bed, and opened the front door and was found walking down the street. The grandparents had no idea the kid was not in the house until the neighbor brought the kid back (the kid could've been hit or abducted). So, even though my parents thought we were being over-protective parents and that we should be able to tell our child NOT to go out the front door (ha), they now understand how important it is to have these safety measure in place "just in case". So, we are planning a visit to grandparents house, and will take our safety knobs along (or buy them a set of their own), just to be safe and not have worries about our DD wondering out of their house.

Posted by: D_in_MD | August 28, 2007 10:31 AM

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | August 28, 2007 10:24 AM

Oh brother! Abu is here, the one whose name must never be mentioned can't be far behind

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 10:32 AM

Londonmom -

We put a baby gate on our 2 year old's door so he could open the door and see out and scream all he wanted, but could not leave. The screaming lasted maybe 2 minutes, and never happened again. Just took one time to stop this behavior.

Posted by: jshepard01 | August 28, 2007 10:42 AM

re: jshepard01 - this is a fantastic idea, we have done this as well, our DD did not like her door closed to her room (1 door that we did not put a safety knob on), but we didn't want the cats going in to her room either, this keeps her in, and the cats out (and they don't jump over it luckily).

Posted by: D_in_MD | August 28, 2007 10:45 AM

I second the suggestion for the safety knobs. We used them for our kids, and they worked well. For those not familiar, they're plastic things that go on over the existing knob. To open the door, you have to be able to squeeze the plastic tight so that it grips, and then turn. If you twist it without being strong enough to squeeze it tight, it just slides along without turning the real knob and opening the door.

We tried the baby gate for a while, too; but it worked a lot better for naps/quiet time than overnight. Also, sleepy parents have to remember it's there - when a child starts screaming in bed in the middle of the night and you go running to see what the problem is, if you aren't awake enough to remember the thigh-high baby gate is in the way, it could be painful.

Posted by: ArmyBrat | August 28, 2007 10:50 AM

pATRICK--We're going through similar stuff here with my MIL. Odd things happen and she is very scared. She also refuses to discuss the future, what to do when, etc. Things aren't going as well as we would like because she won't talk about it...My heart is with you!

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 10:51 AM

All this discussion about baby gates reminded me about some friends with practically grown children who, upon getting a puppy, went searching for baby gates. As with diapers, baby gate technology has definitely improved. Old technology would collapse when an adult hit it. New technology could remove an adult from action for awhile...so I second ArmyBrat's alert.

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 10:54 AM

"I bought a tuxedo for my husband (it still fits!) so he could be properly dressed when we attended openings at the Corcoran Museum."

"Without doubt, I was now a full-time working mom and the family would just have to live with it."

"My family coped..."

Eight paragraphs of her work accomplishments, a rather lengthy bio paragraph at the end, and part 2 to come next week? She could just post her resume. The kids barely seemed part of the equation (at least not in a positive sense).

Posted by: laineypsu | August 28, 2007 10:58 AM

Another way to keep a small child from opening a front or back door is to install a small low-tech latch at the top of the door, located high enough that the child can't reach it even if s/he stands on a chair. However, choose one that's really quick and easy for an adult (or responsible older child) to undo in event of an emergency (e.g., fire).

Posted by: mehitabel | August 28, 2007 10:58 AM

I expect part 2 to hold info about her kids...

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 11:02 AM

I expect part 2 to hold info about her kids...

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 11:02 AM

Well, I expect that part 2, will be how I can make 100K a year working form home selling chia pets.........................

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 11:06 AM

About Baba booey - I am a bit surprised you have not mentioned that it is the name of a Howard Stern sidekick - as oppossed to looking it up. He has been on the show for decades using this as a nickname and probably the source for this blogger.

Posted by: malsamson | August 28, 2007 11:07 AM

pATRICK; where do I sign up?

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 11:09 AM

pATRICK; where do I sign up?

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 11:09 AM

Tune in tomorrow for this amazing "opportunity" ;)

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 11:11 AM

You know, actually, the title is fascinating: "The 68-year-old Entrepreneur". How about this for a discussion of balance: At 68, I've retired, my kids are grown, and I have a modest retirement (more than enough to live on). I have a business idea, and I'd like to sink a substantial portion of my retirement savings into the business, but I'm afraid of the risks. If it tanks, my kids are worried I'll have to live off them. How safe do I have to play it for their sakes?

anyway, those were my thoughts upon reading the title. the actual blog, you're right, are like the intro essay in a writing class--write your life story.

Posted by: newslinks1 | August 28, 2007 11:12 AM

About Baba booey - I am a bit surprised you have not mentioned that it is the name of a Howard Stern sidekick - as oppossed to looking it up. He has been on the show for decades using this as a nickname and probably the source for this blogger.

Posted by: malsamson | August 28, 2007 11:07 AM

see yesterday for some of BABABOOEY666's other blogs she enjoys posting on....if you dare

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 11:14 AM

Abu - The difference between moving from oasis to oasis and the guest blogger's experience is that, migrating for water was part of the Arab culture and generally a large family unit moved together. Further, i was an expected pattern of behavior within the society. The guest blogger is commenting on the isolation she felt as she and her husband moved from town to town where they had to establish new friendships within different social contexts each time (even DC of the 60's can't be compared to Dallas of the 60's). Further, as one of the few middle-class working mothers, she was an anamoly.

I'm not sure why her blog is so long ...she surely doesn't need two weeks to clue us in to her point. Perhaps she wants to let us know about the balance she tried to get when she chose to work in a time when women of her social group didn't.

Posted by: pwhite | August 28, 2007 11:26 AM

Londonmom - My 2 year old can't climb out of the crib yet. We bought one with a design such that the top railing extends a bit forward of the rest of the crib design. He can't swing his leg high enough and far enough forward to get out.

Having said that, I'm a softie. When he wants attention in the middle of the night I don't pick him up, but I grab a blanket and lie on the floor next to him and hold his hand. He generally goes back to sleep in under 90 seconds.

Posted by: ProudPapa15 | August 28, 2007 11:28 AM

«it is the name of a Howard Stern sidekick»
«Posted by: malsamson | August 28, 2007 11:07 AM »

The name, maybe it is Mr. Stern's show that is the source. The number «666», maybe the source is the Beast of Revelation 13:18, maybe the source is the Tishman Building, 666 Fifth Avenue, «Top of the Sixes» restaurant, big neon numerals «666» near top of building, they light up at night. The Mahdi, when he comes to NYC to find and defeat Beast 666, will he look in this building? Mr. Stern's Baba Booey, will he want to be associated with Beast 666? The «On Balance» Baba Booey, does she eat flan at «Top of the Sixes» restaurant?

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | August 28, 2007 11:30 AM

Londonmom - My 2 year old can't climb out of the crib yet. We bought one with a design such that the top railing extends a bit forward of the rest of the crib design. He can't swing his leg high enough and far enough forward to get out.

You are lucky, my daughter was the next houdini, mere wood and steel were no match for supergirl, escape artist extraordinaire.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 11:30 AM

newslinks, your story sounds like it would make a great blog/discussion.

Posted by: laineypsu | August 28, 2007 11:31 AM

it's not MY story, but it sounds like it could be the more interesting story of this person's life. (I'm 27!)

But it sounds like a far more interesting debate today for the bloggers than the current cribs and safety knobs thread.

Posted by: newslinks1 | August 28, 2007 11:40 AM

Londonmom

I feel your pain. My daughter wants me to sleep with her in her room, then she makes a bee line for our bed at about 12:00.

I have tried everything from letting her scream and cry to promising her a toy to promising her a puppy from Santa. It's just not working. I am about ready to tear my hair out at the thought of a new born and a three year old up at night.

I guess it wouldn't be so bad if she didn't kick!

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 11:43 AM

«The difference between moving from oasis to oasis and the guest blogger's experience is that, migrating for water was part of the Arab culture and generally a large family unit moved together. The guest blogger is commenting on the isolation she felt as she and her husband moved from town to town »

Posted by: pwhite | August 28, 2007 11:26 AM

Wandering all their lives from place to place, if this is bad even for a big family with wives and cousins and children and camels, how much worse is it here, only husband and one wife and children, they wander without friends, without big family, and they find «isolation». This family, they have not made it to the shining city al-Quds, they have made it to Pierre L'enfant's city of Washington, but they have found peace and rest and balance, husband and wife and children, they can all get along. Metro system, it means they do not need camels.

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | August 28, 2007 11:44 AM

hello from vacationland...i may be the only one, but i thought this was an incredible story. remember this woman is nearly 70. (my mom's age.) she grew up in an era where many women didn't work. she followed her husband's career.

yet she also combined her own ambitions and raising two kids with very little support -- her professional peers were men who didn't think much of women's abilities, and non-working mothers were probably baffled by her work commitments. i think she is a remarkable woman. and her company is remarkable -- a true legacy. you should check out the discovery video because it is remarkable how joan weintrob pioneered prosthetic technology to allow people (of all ages, including very young children) who had lost limbs to continue to live active, athletic lives.

by the way, i really like the suggestion to run Part II tomorrow instead of next week. don't know if i can pull that off from vacation...but a better idea than mine.

Posted by: leslie4 | August 28, 2007 11:46 AM

Thanks everybody for the helpful suggestions. DS can climb out of the crib, so we had to remove the front part and put a little screen in front so he doesn't fall out (but it allows him to get out of his bed easily now). He will be in a toddler bed soon probably (but that won't solve our problem I don't think). He is a little monkey and can climb on everything. We woke up one morning and ALL of his stuff on his bookshelves (4 levels high) were thrown off and scattered around the room (he literally climbed almost all the way up to the ceiling). We have since removed all the shelves now as well so he doesn't kill himself.

I think we probably will need to do something to the door to keep him in, but I just feel horrible about locking my child in his room. It seems so mean, but not sure if there is another way (and still get a little bit of sleep at night).

Posted by: londonmom | August 28, 2007 11:48 AM

Leslie I think it is the way she comes off that has turned people off of her blog.

I mean "full time mother." come on, no one likes to think in terms of being a part time mom or dad.

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 11:49 AM

yeah, when my son was out of his crib (the older one), I made my DH put one of those latches to connect it to the wall in case he climbed on it. He never has.

The younger one, though, is not yet 2 1/2 and I really don't ever want to take him out of the crib (the reason we took the older one out was that a new kid was coming - or I might have kept him in there longer) - I know I'll have to someday, I bet he could climb out, but he doesn't, in fact, he climbs into it at the end of the day. I will definitely have to fasten everything to the wall with this one!

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 11:52 AM

Leslie, this was a boring blog. I hope you aren't going to throw out abortion or someother silliness to make up for it.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 11:53 AM

Leslie:

"remember this woman is nearly 70. (my mom's age.) she grew up in an era where many women didn't work. she followed her husband's career."

My mother is 71. She followed her husband's career - the Army - all over the world, and was a single mother for 13 and then 14 months at a stretch when the Army sent him to places like Korea and Vietnam. My mother worked almost the entire time. She was a teacher, not an "entrepreneur", but still...

Furthermore, almost all of the mothers we knew worked. As the wife of an NCO/mother of the NCO's children, you pretty much had no choice if you wanted to afford a family, because enlisted pay stinks.

(About the only SAHMs were the officers' wives, but that's another story.)

I'm not trying to diminish what Joan has accomplished, but I guess it comes down to your social class. In the society in which I grew up, stories of trying to establish a career/do your job while raising your kids and following your husband's "job opportunities" were the norm.

Posted by: ArmyBrat | August 28, 2007 11:56 AM

I don't see the guest poster's story as that amazing, but my grandmother worked full-time after having children starting in the late 30's, and continued to do so until she retired in the 80's. She worked first as a secretary and ultimately as the bookeeper for a school district on Long Island. Her mother-in-law watched the children so she could do this. She was the only woman in her circle of friends who worked full time while raising a family. She endured criticism from her peers and snide remarks from her male co-workers, but her boss was a good man who looked out for her provided she didn't let her family responsibilities interfere in any way with her job.

Now, THAT'S amazing.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | August 28, 2007 12:06 PM

She endured criticism from her peers and snide remarks from her male co-workers, but her boss was a good man who looked out for her provided she didn't let her family responsibilities interfere in any way with her job.

Now, THAT'S amazing.

Posted by: WorkingMomX | August 28, 2007 12:06 PM

you mean she did this without a full-time housekeeper and nanny? However did she cope with her exhaustion? Did she swoon at the end of each day?

thanks for the reality check, WorkingMomX.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 12:10 PM

"she grew up in an era where many women didn't work."

What Leslie means is, Joan grew up in an era where women of a certain socioeconomic class didn't earn a paycheck. Plenty of women worked - in factories, on farms, at sewing. Among those who did not, plenty more women treated volunteer activities like part-time jobs, giving 15 - 20 hours a week to the local library, art museum, visual arts cooperative, church. AND almost all of them sewed their childrens' clothes and the window treatments adorning the home, and repaired socks and other garments. Leslie is only interested in acknowledging certain kinds of work by certain kinds of women.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 12:19 PM

Oh pATRICK, I feel so sorry for you. Guess what. Your situation is nirvana for most of the people in this world. In sub-Saharan Africa, it would have been a blessing to know your father as long as you have. Give it a rest pATRICK. Put your father's dementia in perspective. Fight the policies of Thabo Mbeki or shut up. You are so self-centered, you make me sick.

Posted by: garybusis | August 28, 2007 12:26 PM

WorkingMomX:

Judging from your fake internet name, you are neglecting your children. So you should shut up too. The truth really hurts doesn't it.

Posted by: garybusis | August 28, 2007 12:33 PM

I see that He Who Must Not Be Named has registered a new fake address. Unfortunately, the same personality and empty brain is at the keyboard.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 12:35 PM

I see that He Who Must Not Be Named has registered a new fake address. Unfortunately, the same personality and empty brain is at the keyboard.

Hmm, as if we wouldn't know who it is. Yawn

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 12:41 PM

very interesting discussion on wapo.com with gene today. well, usually weird and bizarre - but he's wanting to know why people do/do not eat meat.

And they're discussing the romney guy who just resigned cause he pled guilty to soliciting someone in the bathroom. But the solicitation consisted of tapping his foot. Who knew that was the way?

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 12:48 PM

Hi Everyone,

I have been here since yesterday but could not get up the energy to post since this blog has been so booooring. But the personal attacks have really been a little over the top. All of you need to re-examine your priorities. You seem to miss me more than you really should given all your comments that you hate me, I'm so vile, blah blah blah. To set the record straight, Baba Booey is Howard Stern's program director and has been for many, many years. His moniker has been used by a lot of people wishing anonymity. The most infamous use was by the crank-caller who called Peter Jennings during the O.J. Simpson slow-speed chase and who proceeded to make the late Jennings look like an idiot (feel familiar posters??) It took Al Michaels to point out that the use of the term Baba Booey indicated a fan of Howard Stern. As far as the other internet users that have adopted the bababooey, and even the bababooey666, username, GOD BLESS YOU!!!!! Take care, and please try to be less insular and cliquey (if that's a word). The attitude that you all have is the main reason I burst onto this blog in the first place. Buh-bye for now!!! Love you all.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 12:48 PM

Personally, I would have loved if Joan had written about her inspiration for OPC and maybe included a story about some people her company has helped. I was fascinated by the Discovery show about her company. It would have been neat to hear more stories about that and how her work has helped people acheive balance through prosthetics. Because, after all, any idiot can have a kid and go to work while keeping the house clean. Fewer people can say that their work helps others in such a monumental way.

Posted by: Meesh | August 28, 2007 12:53 PM

"But the solicitation consisted of tapping his foot. Who knew that was the way?"

The vice officer, apparently. :-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | August 28, 2007 12:55 PM

""But the solicitation consisted of tapping his foot. Who knew that was the way?"

The vice officer, apparently. :-)"

And pATRICK, of course.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 12:58 PM

"""But the solicitation consisted of tapping his foot. Who knew that was the way?"

The vice officer, apparently. :-)"

And pATRICK, of course."

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 12:59 PM

Bababooey/garbusis, still visiting the sex forums regularly i see.....

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 1:01 PM

altmom, that makes me wonder how many subtle rituals I've been missing in the women's bathroom!

Posted by: Meesh | August 28, 2007 1:04 PM

Oh yes pATRICK. I visit the sex forums regularly. But I miss you and Senator Craig! Where have you been lately? (Seriously pATRICK, you don't really want to reinforce the Republican stereotype do you??)

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:05 PM

meesh: that's what someone else said. I mean, goodness, we could be offending and offering to tons of people a day and would have no idea!

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 1:09 PM

That is scary if that is all it takes to get arrested for trying to solicite sex.

Luckily for me, I rarely go to the bathroom by myself. I always have a three year old attached to my leg.

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 1:10 PM

pATRICK,

In all seriousness, you have become so predictable, so boring, and so Texan, that you're not even a viable foil anymore. So go care for your ill father and stop spending time trying to prove your manhood here. I truly hope you have at least some contact with the real world and have at least a couple of real friends. Turn to them now. Get over your obsession with me. Please.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:10 PM

ArmyBrat -- I'd love it if your mom wanted to post a Guest Blog, too. Maybe it's only me, but I find stories of women a generation or two before us incredibly interesting, and often untold. (I suspect many of them don't tell their stories often precisely because of the type of reaction we are hearing today -- that this is "boring" when it's anything but).

Last year I went to my mother's 50th college reunion and spent three days hearing amazing stories of how women of her generation managed to find creative ways to work and have children. many had kids first and started their careers when they were in their 30s. There is so much angst today about having it all that the perspective of older women is invaluable (to me at least, based on others' reaction to this story as boring).

Posted by: leslie4 | August 28, 2007 1:11 PM

That is scary if that is all it takes to get arrested for trying to solicite sex.

Luckily for me, I rarely go to the bathroom by myself. I always have a three year old attached to my leg.

Do you ever notice little kids LOVE to go to the bathroom at restaurants? Mine make a beeline for them even if we did 1 and 2 at home ten minutes earlier.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 1:14 PM

«Fight the policies of Thabo Mbeki or shut up. You are so self-centered, you make me sick.»
«Posted by: garybusis | August 28, 2007 12:26 PM »

Cannot we all get along? Why call names, why tell a fellow poster to «shut up»? And Thabo Mbeki, do we not have our hands full, we are fighting bloodthirsty al-Qaeda in al-Iraq, we are fighting terrorist Taliban in Afghanistan, Taliban would not let ladies be doctors, they would not let men doctors treat ladies, ladies, women, girls would all have died out but we rescued Afghanistan from Taliban. Thabo Mbeki, why is he in power? It is because the Western system, we put pressure, we made «white minority government» resign, now you want us to fight Mr. Mbeki too? A map of Africa, you draw one, draw diagonal lines «cross-hatch» on map of AIDS countries, color map of Muslim countries green, how many countries are both cross-hatch and green, not too many, right? Mr. Mbeki, are you mad at him because he will not tell sub-Saharan African people, they should become Muslim, repress the urge to visit prostitutes and fornicate? We have our hands full, Mr. Gary Busis, you go to sub-Saharan Africa, you fight Thabo Mbeki, our G.I.s, they are busy to fight him for you.

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | August 28, 2007 1:16 PM

stop spending time trying to prove your manhood here.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 01:10 PM

or you could be like He Who Must Not Be Named and spend your day logging off and on a blog with different registrations.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 1:19 PM

Changing the topic somewhat (calling Mako! Paging Mako!):

Youngest DD started middle school yesterday. In the stack of paper she brought home was a letter from the principal. Two of the faculty members were diagnosed with cancer over the summer - a woman with breast cancer and a man with non-Hodgkins lymphoma. Each has recently begun chemotherapy. They will be continuing to work to the greatest extent possible during their treatment. They will be showing symptoms very soon - the letter detailed the physical changes students will soon be seeing. The letter noted that the two teachers will be sharing with the students what is happening to them and why, and warned all parents to expect both questions about cancer and why it strikes; and reactions to the changes in their teachers. In other words, be ready for questions about why one person gets breast cancer and another doesn't; and be ready to have a child who's upset because Ms Jones is now bald.

All I can say is - Wow! I've certainly never seen anything like that before. I like that they're being open and honest, and that they're supporting the teachers by letting them work as much as they can/want to, but this is really a different view of "balance".

Posted by: ArmyBrat | August 28, 2007 1:20 PM


pATRICK: when my older one was just getting used to being potty trained, everytime we'd go somewhere new, he'd ask to go to the potty. he didn't have to do anything. We were getting annoyed.

Then i realized that he wanted to make sure he knew where it was, and (I guess) how long it would take to get there, in case he needed to go, and certainly, he wasn't going to be able to hold it for long, as he had just learned to use the bathroom. I finally found it very cute.

Of course, now EVERY TIME we're in a restaurant, he ALWAYS says he has to go JUST AS THE FOOD's ARRIVING!!!

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 1:21 PM

"That is scary if that is all it takes to get arrested for trying to solicite sex."

I thought the exact same thing; it sounded pretty benign. But do a little more research. There were allegations dating back a long time about similar behavior that culminated in actual, ummm, "stuff". For example, in bathrooms in Union Station in DC. Again, what turns this into a major issue is Sen. Craig's stance on gay rights, civil unions etc. The hypocrisy is sickening.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:21 PM

Of course, now EVERY TIME we're in a restaurant, he ALWAYS says he has to go JUST AS THE FOOD's ARRIVING!!!

NO KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT THE H is that about? It's like clockwork!!!lol

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 1:24 PM

"or you could be like He Who Must Not Be Named and spend your day logging off and on a blog with different registrations."

I'm sure you would be surprised but I really have better things to do. Sometimes I like to have fun and spar with people who have a sense of humor. But now and again I come across persons such as pATRICK, who have no sense of humor. You, mn.188, are another example, I must admit. How do you go through life with that type of personality? I would honestly like to know. Actually, maybe I don't want to know. I have carefully cultivated my personality on this blog and I love the fact that simpletons such as you and pATRICK have bought into it. But the joy only goes so far.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:27 PM

"NO KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT THE H is that about?"

Please stop yelling. The ALL-CAPS thing is really childish. (It's spelled s-a-r-c-a-s-m).

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:32 PM

MN, i have this vision of he who must not be named feverishly logging in and out using different names.OB, Sex blogs etc. eww!

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 1:36 PM

Leslie, I think it's not so much that the particular post is boring, it seems much more that your audience has had the honor of knowing many women of that (and earlier) generations that did amazing, but under-appreciated, work outside the home, and did not have the help of a nanny/housekeeper, and did not go on to complain about their level of exhaustion and tears. OrganicGuy's mom was a college professor and owned her own clothing store when he was young (she's now 75). HER mom was a high school teacher, had a university degree, raised 4 children, and helped keep the family farm going, without indoor plumbing or heat beyond the kitchen stove. I've seen the house, it's no longer inhabited, but the outhouse is still there, there isn't a sink in the kitchen, and the various sized wash basins (from dishes to bathing) still hang from the ceiling. OrganicGuy's mom's great aunt also was a university grad (four generations of the family has graduated from Appalachian State University) and also taught school. And helped farm with mules. And raised her family. No nannies. No neighbors to watch the kids. No tears that they let others know about. These amazing, strong women are the backbone of Southern society, and are unsung. That's why this post rubbed me the wrong way. I know the strength it took these women to thrive in their time; I know what it's taken for me to make my life as a mother and managing my working life. The guest blogger, while having done amazing work, seems to be patting herself on the back, while not acknowledging that others have, like I said, done as much with much less to start with.

Posted by: OrganicGal | August 28, 2007 1:43 PM

Oh little boy pATRICK:

Why can't you engage in real debate?? All your replies are non sequiturs. As a Texan (and a supporter of George W. Bush), I'm sure you don't understand that term, but you can look it up on the internet. Please grab a sense of humor. How do you and mn.188 survive without one? It must be a strange existence. Oh pATRICK, I would hate to be the child (or children) that you are raising. Are you saving before tax, or after tax, for their future legal fees???

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:46 PM

Bingo, OrganicGal. When I read this guest blog, I thought it smacked of privilege (you had reason to PURCHASE a tux for your husband? you had a housekeeper?), as well. Did anyone else get that?

Posted by: WorkingMomX | August 28, 2007 1:47 PM

Oh, WorkingMomX, I got it. It seemed much more like this poster was in the realm of Republicans like pATRICK, who never had to work a day in his life (oh let me guess, he will now try to disprove this). And now his father is ill. Let me guess if pATRICK will turn to the government that he hates. Oh no, it will all be private care. Give me a break, you little hypocrite.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:51 PM

Hey pATRICK,

I wish you and your father the best. Best of luck under the conservative system that you love so much.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:53 PM

"But the joy only goes so far."

Posted by: Baba Booey '02 MPP | August 28, 2007 01:27 PM

Wrong. Joy goes everywhere: among men throughout the world, even among cannibals; in outer space, rolling planets and suns around. In fact, I've got joy around my brain -- can't you see? Just look at a few of the great things that joy accomplishes, as recounted by the great poet Friedrich Schiller and translated by William F. Wertz and others

"Joy, thou source of light immortal,
Daughter of Elysium,
Touched with fire, to the portal
Of thy radiant shrine we come.
Thy pure magic frees all others
Held in custom's rigid rings;
Men throughout the world are brothers
In the haven of thy wings

"Joy is drunk by every being
From kind nature's flowing breasts,
Every evil, every good thing
For her rosy footprint quests.

"Joy gives love and wine; her gladness
Makes the universe her zone.

"Joy commands the hardy mainspring
Of the universe eterne.
Joy, oh joy the wheel is driving
Which the worlds' great clock doth turn.
Flowers from the buds she coaxes,
Suns from out the hyaline,
Spheres she rotates through expanses,
Which the seer can't divine
.
"Joy doth bubble from this rummer,
From the golden blood of grape
Cannibals imbibe good temper,
Weak of heart their courage take."

Let's have some more joy on this blog.

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 1:54 PM

Frankly, WORKINGMOMX, I was so bored with it, I read it once and moved on.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 1:55 PM

pATRICK,

Just a little question. Did you bother to see Michael Moore's "Sicko"? Let me guess, the answer is no. And if the answer is yes, it was only to sneer and laugh. Sure, Moore is over the top. But unless you are the priviledged few, you now know what he was talking about. C'mon you little coward. What kind of health insurance do you have? Did your little hero, George W. Bush, provide it for you?? Are you all hat and no cattle, as you loser Texans like to say???

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 1:56 PM

londonmom,

We used the childproof lock (plastic cover over doorknob) on the inside of our daughter's bedroom when she first stopped using her crib. Otherwise she wouldn't stay put long enough to go to sleep. That worked fine for months. Then she started freaking out that the lock was on. So we made her a deal, she was 2 and a tiny bit rational at the time. If she stayed in her room we'd leave the lock off. But if she came out even once, the lock would go on. She tested this of course. So the lock went on. Then she went a week with staying in her room and the locked stayed off. Then she tested again. Lock went on. Then she didn't test again for months. There was some crying for a while but not for any significant amount of time.

Posted by: rockvillemom | August 28, 2007 1:58 PM

"Oh yes pATRICK. I visit the sex forums regularly"

We know, you have very peculiar tastes in liquids apparently...

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But of course this was someone else right? wink wink

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 1:59 PM

"Let's have some more joy on this blog."

But MattinAberdeen. We are the same person. Along with Abu_Ibrahim, Hillary, and whatever the heck this new person's name is. Don't you understand??? If you don't agree with pATRICK, you are nothing. NOTHING I TELL YOU. We are like the lonesome little voice on that speck of dust that only Horton hears. And pATRICK is a big strong voice like Ronald Reagan. Although Reagan's voice was not so strong as I watched his remnants drive by me in a casket on M Street a few years ago. But I digress.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:02 PM

Sorry, I'm not trying to be a contrarian, but this is twice in two days that pATRICK has posted some really offensive material to this blog. Is no one in "authority" actually reading or monitoring what gets put on here? I admire his Sherlock Holmes tendencies, but he really needs to compare the spelling of the posts, as well as the actual IP addresses. I would guess that someone with intelligence, like MattinAberdeen, would not make the same stupid mistake.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:06 PM

"But MattinAberdeen. We are the same person."

Posted by: Baba Booey '02 MPP | August 28, 2007 02:02 PM

No, we're not. You graduated from the Kennedy School of Government, and I graduated from the Ordnance School, C20 basic course honor graduate (Hi, Fred!).

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 2:10 PM

OH pATRICK (umm, Senator Craig):

Even the other posters on this blog feel sorry for you. Please stop with the drivel and engage me in a real debate. Preferably with humor. If you can't do it, that's fine. Just admit it. There must be other Republicans on here and surely they are cringing at your comments.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:11 PM

Just your random postings on the web. Given what your name means in the urban dictionary, quite fitting actually.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 2:12 PM

Wait a minute...you solicit sex for money by tapping your foot?!?! Man, I am SO not with it!!

On-topic, I agree that today's poster did not come across very well. The combination of entitled privelege and smug self-satisfaction was very off-putting. It seems to me that the entire point of the blog today was for the poster to revel in her own faahhbulousness, very publicly, so that everyone else knows exactly how faahhbulous she is.

Generally, people who rattle of their resumes when first meeting you are either self-absorbed and shallow or incredibly insecure. I think today's poster is the former. She is probably also one of those women who won't even bother to speak with a woman she doesn't know well if she discovers the woman is a SAHM. If I met her, I don't think I would like her very much.

Back to work...

Posted by: educmom__615 | August 28, 2007 2:13 PM

"No, we're not. You graduated from the Kennedy School of Government, and I graduated from the Ordnance School, C20 basic course honor graduate (Hi, Fred!)."

We can shout it until we're blue in the face (where did that saying come from, I tend to get red in the face!). But the point is that the leader of this blog community, pATRICK, has deemed us to be the same person. Therefore, it is true. I appreciate your attempt to differentiate yourself from me, but (as the Borg would say), it is futile.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:14 PM

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 02:14 PM

You really are loopy, must be from those strange liquids you have been sampling............

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 2:19 PM

"Just your random postings on the web. Given what your name means in the urban dictionary, quite fitting actually."

My God, dude. You really have no sense of humor do you?!?!? I feel so sorry for your children. I could repeat what my moniker means but you would ignore it. I had a lot of fun with some of the other people on here, but then again, none of them were as extreme in their political views as you are. I love this country, but when I encounter persons such as you, it honestly makes me question my beliefs. But then I step back, take a few breaths, and then realize that part of the reason I love this country is that even you, someone who barely got through school (where "school meant the Texas public education system"), who cannot hold down a job (but who yearns for a meaningful apprencticeship in the oh-so-growing textile industry), and who has non-traditional sexual tendencies, can have a voice on a blog such as this. I am willing to put my previous prejudices aside. GOD BLESS YOU Patrick!!!! You are the quintessiantial AMERICAN!!!

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:23 PM

"You really are loopy, must be from those strange liquids you have been sampling............"

All I can say is that thank the Lord Almighty that those liquids are not the ones that you and your Republican hero, Senator Craig, trade underneath the bathroom stalls at Union Station! EWWWW!!!!

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:25 PM

Keep it up Bababooey, you just keep making my job easier and easier.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 2:27 PM

""You really are loopy, must be from those strange liquids you have been sampling............"

All I can say is that thank the Lord Almighty that those liquids are not the ones that you and your Republican hero, Senator Craig, trade underneath the bathroom stalls at Union Station! EWWWW!!!!"

Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:27 PM

"Keep it up Bababooey, you just keep making my job easier and easier."

I'm sorry. I didn't realize that your job title was "Unfunny Republican". Actually, that's sort of an oxymoron isn't it? You might want to look up that term on Urban Dictionary too.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:29 PM

oh pATRICK I just wish he would go away.

Posted by: Irishgirl | August 28, 2007 2:29 PM

pATRICK, since He Who Must Not Be Named has unilaterally designated you line leader again, can you get dinner and drinks comped for the rest of us?

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 2:32 PM

"oh pATRICK I just wish he would go away."

Oh my Irishgirl. You meant to say, of course, "oh pATRICK, I just wish you would go away." I won't hold it against you. Jamison is a strong whiskey.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:33 PM

Given today's back and forth, I have to believe the hypothesis of registrations improving the caliber of discussions to be disproven, if only for today.

Maybe a new topic will jumpstart real discussions: All the bill are paid, including your agreed savings for the money, however you have $100 extra on the last day...do you spend it? If so, on what? Do you tell your significant other? Do you feel the need to tell your SO?

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 2:34 PM

ooopsss. "savings for the month" above

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 2:35 PM

bababooey666

"All I can say is that thank the Lord Almighty that those liquids are not the ones that you and your Republican hero, Senator Craig, trade underneath the bathroom stalls at Union Station! EWWWW!!!!"

Now, now. A gooey condom is better than a wet floor.

Posted by: hillary1 | August 28, 2007 2:35 PM

"pATRICK, since He Who Must Not Be Named has unilaterally designated you line leader again, can you get dinner and drinks comped for the rest of us?"

Let me guess, mn.188. You are morbidly obese and your flesh has actually merged with the fibers of your sofa. (See Nip/Tuck Season 3 if you don't understand the reference.)

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:36 PM

«Not that there's anything wrong with that!»

Relations, they are a private matter, they are for the bedroom, they are between lovers. A public place, that is no place for relations. A bathroom, that is no place for relations. Between strangers, that is no place for relations. Relations in a public airport toilet with a man in the next stall, there «is» something wrong with that, do that and even Thabo Mbeki will not preserve your health.

Posted by: abu_ibrahim | August 28, 2007 2:46 PM

Hey guys --
I LIKED today's blog and I was thinking about how it reminded me of many of the stories from that amazing book "Composing a LIfe" by Mary Katherine Bateson. It's a compendium of biographies of women of that generation who have done amazing things -- but the thread that runs through those stories (and today's story too) is that most of these women never sat down consciously in their twenties and made a "game plan" the way presumably their male counterparts did. The women in Bateson's book include a college president and a researcher at NIH, and in both cases, they took a number of twists and turns to get to their final careers. They followed husbands around the world, took time out for children, and in at least one case got divorced.

What's interesting about today's blog is that probably if you had asked today's poster when she was twenty or twenty-one where she saw herself thirty or forty years down the road, running a department of a major hospital might not have come up as a career goal. What her story shows (and the ones in the book I mentioned) is that if you're bright, willing to learn, flexible and brave enough to take a chance when it's offered, well, you never know where you might end up . . I, for one, found today's blog inspirational (probably because my own career has involved more than a few twists and turns).

Posted by: justlurking | August 28, 2007 2:46 PM

I share Leslie's enthusiasm for hearing from the older generations with regard to work/family balance given a lot of the social pressures in place more than 30 years ago. Some of you have great stories about your own mothers and grandmothers--very inspiring.

But I agree with WorkingMomX; I do think Joan's essay smacked of elitism. Wow, she did all this AND she had domestic help and a husband. There are a lot of us out here who are working in demanding professional careers and raising children sans husband, sans domestic help and without extended family. we are doing it all on our own and complaining a lot less than Joan (cry? I don't have the luxury of self pity).

And even with husband/domestic help, I couldn't imagine leaving my child for weeks at a time. I am struggling with deciding whether I should try to devote a few hours a week to taking a single college course, eventually earning a master's degree. I am simply not yet convinced that the added stress is worth it. College will be there in seven years when my own daughter goes off to college, but I would never be able to get back this time with her.

Well, I guess that's my most pressing balance issue at the moment...

Posted by: pepperjade | August 28, 2007 2:48 PM

Joan was not 68 when she started her company - the title is very misleading - she was only 41:

"Joan Weintrob, 68, is the founder and president of the Orthotic Prosthetic Center Inc., based in Fairfax, VA and Rockville, MD. Since its founding in 1980..."

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 2:58 PM

"I do think Joan's essay smacked of elitism."

No kidding. Methinks Joan still refers to African-Americans as "the colored people".

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 2:58 PM

"College will be there in seven years when my own daughter goes off to college, but I would never be able to get back this time with her."

Posted by: pepperjade | August 28, 2007 02:48 PM

Way to go! When my daughter-in-law started college, that's when her mother started law school.

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 2:59 PM

Bababooey: You were much funnier when you were singing the praises of Dick Cheney, et al. So lay off Patrick (please!?!) and give us more classic lines such as when you said that sub-prime mortgage lenders couldn't possibly have realized that the loans they were extending were extremely risky.

Posted by: cm9887 | August 28, 2007 3:00 PM

pATRICK, since He Who Must Not Be Named has unilaterally designated you line leader again, can you get dinner and drinks comped for the rest of us?

Of course and flan too. I am so bored with today's topic, that toying with bababooey is all there is to do.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 3:05 PM

"You were much funnier when you were singing the praises of Dick Cheney, et al. So lay off Patrick (please!?!) and give us more classic lines such as when you said that sub-prime mortgage lenders couldn't possibly have realized that the loans they were extending were extremely risky."

But cm9887, you spelled his name incorrectly. It is pATRICK. And it is so much fun to lay into him because he does not have the ability to formulate a humorous response. But your point is taken. I should spend more time admiring the genius that is Alberto Gonzalez. HE IS A HERO FOR ALL IMMIGRANTS!!! HE LIVED THE AMERICAN DREAM!!! UMMM, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE AMERICAN DREAM WAS LYING TO CONGRESS AND FORCING A SERIOUSLY ILL AND INCAPACITATED MAN TO AGREE TO YOUR DEMANDS!!!

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 3:06 PM

By the way, cm9887, you will now be accused of being nothing more than an alternative login for me, abu_ibrahim, MattinAberdeen, and Hillary. Why? Because no one could possibly disagree with pATRICK, mn188, or the other "leaders" of this blog.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 3:10 PM

MN, the body fluid drinker now says you are a leader. Your turn to comp.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 3:14 PM

dotted: always throw it to the Home Equity Line.

Well, maybe put a few extra to savings...

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 3:17 PM

"Alberto Gonzalez. HE IS A HERO FOR ALL IMMIGRANTS!!! HE LIVED THE AMERICAN DREAM!!!"

Posted by: Baba Booey '02 MPP | August 28, 2007 03:06 PM

The American Dream is being able to afford to buy a new home for your family. The American Dream is not being tricked by capitalist loan sharks into thinking you can afford to buy a new home, so that you sign up for an Adjustable Rate Mortgage. When the low teaser rate expires, you find out that you can't afford that home after all, and you lose it to foreclosure. Meanwhile, the realtor who sold you the home and the loan officer who lied to get you qualified for the loan have pocketed their fat commissions. To distract our attention from the thousands of good Americans who are losing their homes, the Drive-by Media fill the news with scandals, like the Michael Vick scandal and the Alberto Gonzales scandal and now, the Larry Craig scandal. Wake up, Americans! They're stealing your back teeth while you're paying attention to scandals.

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 3:19 PM

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 03:19 PM

Matt, c'mon people who signed up for liar loans weren't tricked. The consumer who was put into an ARM and agreed to the ARM is really to blame. They were greedy and stretching to get what they wanted. On the flip side those lenders who loaned to people and did liar loans are getting what they deserved.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 3:22 PM

Oh, please. How many people who make $30k a year REALLY THOUGHT they could afford that $200+k house? Caveat emptor.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 3:23 PM

"The American Dream ..."

It's partially my fault but nothing you say now means anything to this blog. MattinAberdeen, you are nothing but one of my alternative logins. According to whom? According to the humorless leader of this blog, everyone's unthinking, and un-intellectual Texan, George W. Bush. Oops. I meant pATRICK.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 3:24 PM

Because no one could possibly disagree with pATRICK, mn188, or the other "leaders" of this blog.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 03:10 PM

MN, the body fluid drinker now says you are a leader. Your turn to comp.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 03:14 PM

I understand from He Who Must Not Be Named that there are other leaders. I'll make sure to exit the bar and while one of The Other Leaders are still there to pick up the tab. I sure hope they are wearing "I'm a Leslie Leader" nametags.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 3:28 PM

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 03:28 PM

haha. Pretty good for a humorless obese woman. LOL. You and I have been called many things here but never humorless. It really is a nut.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 3:32 PM

"Matt, c'mon people who signed up for liar loans weren't tricked."

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 03:22 PM

"How many people who make $30k a year REALLY THOUGHT they could afford that $200+k house? Caveat emptor."

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 03:23 PM

"à chacun selon ses besoins, de chacun selon ses facultés"
-- Louis Blanc

If the buyers weren't tricked by the loan officers and the realtors into thinking they could afford the new home, then they were tricked by Liberals (spouting M. Blanc's "To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities") into thinking that they *deserved* the new home *whether or not* they could afford it. Either way, they were tricked. The fact is, if you can't afford a new home, you don't deserve one. We've lived in a Baltimore row house, a house in Baltimore County and a house in Harford County. The row house was built in 1899, so you know we didn't buy it new. Same goes for the 1960's-era house in Baltimore County, and the 1950's-era house in Harford County. We knew that we couldn't afford a new home, so we knew we didn't deserve a new home, so we bought used homes, with fixed-rate mortgages whose payments we could meet out of my pay check. Anyone who tries to trick you into buying something you can't afford to pay for is never your friend.

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 3:36 PM

Matt, i just hate the word tricked. When people make poor decisions, they were not tricked. If the terms were described as a 30 year mortgage for 6% and then switched to an ARM without being disclosed, then that is being tricked.

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 3:40 PM

If the buyers weren't tricked by the loan officers and the realtors into thinking they could afford the new home, then they were tricked by Liberals (spouting M. Blanc's "To each according to his needs, from each according to his abilities")

I much prefer M. Blanc's "Rabbit season...duck season..rabbit season...duck season..."

Personally, I think it was a little bit of both. Persons who were greedy and didn't care about the fact that their payments would go up dramatically in a few years because they expected to sell at a big profit well before that. And persons who were uneducated about economics and who were taken in by unscrupulous lenders. I assume that after all this is over, there will be studies that tell us which effect was more prevalent.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 3:41 PM

"The American Dream is being able to afford to buy a new home for your family."

Buying a new home? That's not the American dream I know. The American dream is the concept that, through hard work and perseverence, you can earn prosperity for your family, or at least live a better, safer, healthier, more prosperous life than your parents lived. Gonzalez, an agent of Satan, did achieve the American dream since he lived a healthier and more prosperous life than his migrant worker father.

Only a new homes builder would minimize a glorious concept like the "American Dream" by equating it with the minimalist, consumerist goal of buying a new home.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 3:43 PM

Top Ten Ways Departing Attorney General Alberto Gonzales can improve his legacy.

1. Hire film crew to make documentary about self. Convert final print into warm sepia.

2. Replace portrait of self (known to be associated with incompetence, abuses of power, and failures in court) with kitten.

3. Stop saying that he lived the "American Dream." Seriously, Alberto, I don't know any Latinos that want to run the Justice Department that badly. I know. I asked a dozen.

4. Call in favors from Regent, and get to be professor there. He can teach "God and Torts" or "God and Property" or "God and Feminism and the Law" or "God and Law and the Banana."

5. Get Fleetwood Mac to play as a ceremony honoring his departure.

6. Open "Topless Guidelines" bar and grille. Take Visa.

7. Return lawnmower to Miers; pruning sheers to Rumsfeld; TV to Rumsfeld; and drill to Rove.

8. Open service for families that need to visit relatives in hospital, but just don't have time.

9. Get self appointed interim-US Attorney.

10. Return robe (for gift card) purchased for previously anticipated Supreme Court appointment.

From: The Greedy Clerks Board

Posted by: hillary1 | August 28, 2007 3:50 PM

A friend of mine was on GONZALES' FBI detail. Wonder if he still guards the new AG or if he gets reassigned now?

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 3:53 PM

Matt, you can't blame the liberals for encouraging the consumption of houses. Aren't they the granola-eating birkenstock-wearing hippies who are telling us to bike to work and live in as small a space as possible so that we're not leaving a huge carbon footprint? If any group is not supporting the mass consumption of McMansions and Hummers, it's liberals. If the liberals are tricking anyone, it's with tofu dogs and organic produce.

Posted by: Meesh | August 28, 2007 4:06 PM

atlmom1234 - I agree with your solution. I'd probably stage a 'leslie leader' party... At least I tried to think up a topic that could start some conversation!

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 4:07 PM

except, Meesh, for Gore. And others, really. Do as I say, not as I do. he has something like a 15,000 square foot mansion, he uses tons of energy in it (and his personal jet). Don't tell me about 'offset credits' since they are just something to make him feel better (maybe, or maybe to make things look right) - he still uses the energy and still outputs the carbon (don't get me wrong, I don't think that us humans should be arrogant enough to think that we could change the climate of the earth - it's either happening or not, but the chances we are doing it is very very miniscule). I do agree with conservation and all that entails, no matter what we're doing to the earth, it only makes sense.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 4:13 PM

dotted: sorry for not catching your post earlier. my answer is: lingerie or something else we'd both enjoy, LOL. But this is pure fantasy because it's never happened in our household.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 4:13 PM

mn.188 - fantasy! I like that answer too!

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 4:15 PM

MN, I'm just way to practical. Our CFO was in a meeting, and we handed him colored copies (everyone else had B&W) and he says: I'm such a cheap a$$ I look at this (the copies) and think: we coulda saved some money if only I didn't have these!

SO, I'm kinda similar.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 4:18 PM

atlmom, Lingerie isn't practical, LOL?? It's cheaper to keep our marriage happily together than to maintain two separate households. Otherwise, where do you draw the line? Saving money on razors and soap?

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 4:21 PM

"I much prefer M. Blanc's 'Rabbit season...duck season..rabbit season...duck season...'"

Posted by: Baba Booey '02 MPP | August 28, 2007 03:41 PM

Uh, shouldn't that be, "Wabbit season. . .duck season. . .wabbit season. . . duck season. . ."? We were quite disappointed at yesterday's Maryland State Fair to find no more than five wabbits -- make that "rabbits" -- in the poultry/rabbit section. The old building that housed that section is being remodeled, so the poultry and rabbits were moved to the Cow Palace. Maybe rabbit owners didn't want their prize bunnies in there with the cattle, so they kept them home this year.

Posted by: MattInAberdeen | August 28, 2007 4:24 PM

"Bingo, OrganicGal. When I read this guest blog, I thought it smacked of privilege (you had reason to PURCHASE a tux for your husband? you had a housekeeper?), as well. Did anyone else get that?"

Exactly, OrganicGal and others. The elitism, self-congratulatory tone, self-centerdness...I could do without all of it.

Posted by: laineypsu | August 28, 2007 4:26 PM

"I bought a tuxedo for my husband (it still fits!) so he could be properly dressed when we attended openings at the Corcoran Museum."

She not only had a reason to purchase one, but she's bragging that he hasn't put on a pound in the last 30 years. His fitness is a good reflection on her judgment in picking him as a spouse, evidently.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 4:29 PM

Hi, My name is Fred and I am a Leslie Leader!

BTW to Matt, proud honor graduate of 71B Clerk Typist school at Ft Polk. (many other schools followed that one.)

Posted by: Fred | August 28, 2007 4:29 PM

"His fitness is a good reflection on her judgment in picking him as a spouse, evidently."

Not to mention her cooking ability to keep him slim and healthy all that time.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:30 PM

Yes, I tell SO! We go get ridiculously expensive groceries and have us a homecooked gourmet meal. We open up one of the special bottles of wine we've been saving, since we already blew the Benjamin on the finest beef and, likely, tuna.

------------------------------------------
Maybe a new topic will jumpstart real discussions: All the bill are paid, including your agreed savings for the month, however you have $100 extra on the last day...do you spend it? If so, on what? Do you tell your significant other? Do you feel the need to tell your SO?

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 02:34 PM

Posted by: atb2 | August 28, 2007 4:31 PM

oh, KLB, surely you jest. She hasn't cooked since they left Dallas, if then.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 4:32 PM

Also a proud graduate of several military schools Fred and Matt.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:32 PM

laineypsu - sorry I can't jump on your 'elitism' bandwagon. A Tux is not more expensive than a suit. Heck, both my sons own tuxes because they play in school orchestras. My husband owns a tux because it looks good and it isn't a work suit. Noone likes to dress up in something they wear to work. We don't have a housekeeper either. No signs of privilege that I can see around here. Our cars are both > 6 years old even. (no vans, however)

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 4:33 PM

yea, KLB but Matt was a damn officer!

Posted by: Fred | August 28, 2007 4:33 PM

(Smacking self in head) - silly me mn.188. She is proud of choosing the right cook to cook the right food to keep him slim and healthy.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:34 PM

atb - blowing the benjamin....boggles my mind. It also brings to mind the mirror and white powder scene in Crocodile Dundee.

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 4:35 PM

Again, I stand corrected Fred.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:36 PM

dotted_1,
Are you really sure you have the extra money? One year at Christmas time I was extraordinarily flush so I bought a few extra gifts for the family. I was out of town for a week.
Imagine the unpleasant surprise when I returned home and found a note from the bank - I forgot to make the car payment! Duh - no wonder I had extra money.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:38 PM

klb - it was an intellectual fantasy...no more than that. I was kind of hoping to actually have that situation in a few days but we shall see. Those jars of wasabi nuts kill the budget, don't you know?

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 4:40 PM

Fishing or sex?

First guy: "You have no idea what I had to do to be able to come out fishing this weekend. I had to promise my wife I'd paint every room in the house next weekend."

Second guy: "That's nothing.? I had to promise my wife that I'd build her a new deck for the pool."

Third guy: "Man, you both have it easy!?? I had to promise my wife that I'd remodel the kitchen for her."
They continued to fish until they realized that the fourth guy hasn't said a word.? The first three guys asked him, "You haven't said anything about what you had to do to be able to come fishing this weekend.
What's the deal?"

Fourth guy: "I set my alarm for 5:30 am.? When it went off, I shut off my alarm, gave the wife a slap on her butt and said, 'Fishing or Sex?'

And she said, "Wear sun-block."

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:41 PM

dotted,
Are you now addicted?

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:42 PM

Oh klb...you're killing me

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 4:42 PM

Dotted - is it my money, our *our* money? If it's mine, easy, clothes. And yes I tell him. If it's ours, we either agree on something we both want, or we split it, and yes it goes on clothes again (or shoes *drool*)

On Housing - I love the subprime mortgage crisis. Every time I hear another company has gone bankrupt I rejoice. I think it's equal fault of the mortgage companies that wrote these loans (it's in their best interest that the consumer actually pays off the loan, and it should have been obvious these consumers simply couldn't afford it) as well as the consumer (doesn't take much research to get them to spell out exactly how much your mortgage will cost you, what your rate means, and whether it's fixed or not, there's a lot of free help out there too for first time home buyers). I love it because I know prices will keep dropping. I live in what Fortune named as the most overinflated home market in the country. My husband and I make more than the highest combined salary my parents ever made (which was fairly recent, so inflation wasn't a huge factor). We have excellent credit, and have been good savers with money stashed away. And yet, owning a home even on the outskirts of town is still vastly out of our reach. So I am loving watching the prices around here crash and the option of owning a home getting closer and closer.

On today's blog topic - poster doesn't mention what her college major was? I am very curious. I find it interesting that she was made department chair in a prestigious hospital and given enough leeway to create a new department. If the world was so biased against her, how did she accomplish this? Why did the hospital call her out of nowhere to get her to work with them again? I'm less concerned with her geographic particularities and more interested in how a woman with (presumabely) no medical degree/nursing degree and a hodge podge of various jobs and hopping around the company gets to be department head. That's my only interest, otherwise agree with comments that her crying every night was a bit overdone and that she didn't really overcome much or achieve much of any balance that I can see.

Posted by: _Miles | August 28, 2007 4:46 PM

I believe her profession is Occupational Therapist - a career that is rarely heard of until you need it (stroke victims, amputees).

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:52 PM

miles: for many of the loans, the companies didn't care if the consumer paid. That's really the point - they just sold the paper minutes after the loan was made. And there were plenty of buyers - it's those buyers that made the market, not really the loan officers, or the mortgage companies, or whatever. For whatever reason (okay, we know, greed - everyone thought those houses would just go up in price, exponentially) - there was an insatiable appetite for the mortgage backed securities.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 4:55 PM

according to her blog, Tufts:

"Joan Weintrob, certified prosthetist orthotist (CPO). Joan, the founder and president of OPC, was the first woman in the U.S. to earn the Orthotics and Prosthetics certification from the American Board for Certification (ABC). When almost all braces were metal and leather, she experimented with plastics and was a key player in introducing sturdy, lightweight plastic orthoses to this region. She pioneered the development of small braces to treat infants with "brittle bone" disease. Joan is a graduate of Tufts University where she earned a degree in occupational therapy. She studied orthotics at New York University and prosthetics at Northwestern University.

Elliot Weintrob, CPO, is the lead prosthetist at OPC. Elliot studied orthotics and prosthetics at Northwestern University after completing his undergraduate studies at the University of Maryland. He became certified in orthotics and prosthetics in 1997. As an Olympic athlete, Elliot brings a special sensitivity in working with active amputees who expect and demand minimal lifestyle interference from physical limitations."

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 4:56 PM

Thanks mn.188. I think if she had written more about her orthotics and the people she works with it would have been more interesting. But then - ther is always tomorrow.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 4:58 PM

miles: for many of the loans, the companies didn't care if the consumer paid. That's really the point - they just sold the paper minutes after the loan was made. And there were plenty of buyers - it's those buyers that made the market, not really the loan officers, or the mortgage companies, or whatever. For whatever reason (okay, we know, greed - everyone thought those houses would just go up in price, exponentially) - there was an insatiable appetite for the mortgage backed securities.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 04:55 PM

Possibly. I still can't help but be happy. We went in for consultation with our credit union, and the amount they were willing to "okay" us for was insane. It was very clear to us we couldn't actually afford that kind of loan when they ran the numbers. So now just the waiting game, I don't expect that EVERY American should be able to own a home, but if I work hard, we both have good jobs, both save, and both have good credit, it should be within better reach than the market's made it lately.

Posted by: _Miles | August 28, 2007 4:59 PM

Hey, don't worry about being happy. Those people have to live somewhere, right? They need to rent places - and i happen to be a landlord (and also, looking for more property). georgia has the highest foreclosure rate in the country.

Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 5:01 PM

"Joan Weintrob, certified prosthetist orthotist (CPO). Joan, the founder and president of OPC, was the first woman in the U.S. to earn the Orthotics and Prosthetics certification from the American Board for Certification (ABC). When almost all braces were metal and leather, she experimented with plastics and was a key player in introducing sturdy, lightweight plastic orthoses to this region. She pioneered the development of small braces to treat infants with "brittle bone" disease. Joan is a graduate of Tufts University where she earned a degree in occupational therapy. She studied orthotics at New York University and prosthetics at Northwestern University.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 04:56 PM

Thank you mn, clears things up a bit. I guess the balance here is...she sacrified everything for her husband's career for years and years. Then finally when she achieved a point of respectability in her career the husband and children sacrificed a little in exchange for her career goals. Maybe it's the complete lack of emotion in the blog? Other than the crying episodes, there's nothing to show this is what she's passionate about, or how she really felt about leaving her children or working harder or maybe being an anomaly and any opposition she put up with that. In fact, sounds like her excellent career was just handed to her! But that can not be the case, I wish she went more into the nitty gritty, and the tough decisions she had to make.

Posted by: _Miles | August 28, 2007 5:01 PM

NEW YORK -- Teacher arrested

A public school teacher was arrested today at John F. Kennedy International Airport as he attempted to board a flight while in
possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square, a slide rule and a calculator.

At a morning press conference, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez said he believes the man is a member of the notorious Al-gebra movement. He did not identify the man, who has been charged by the FBI with carrying weapons of math instruction.

"Al-gebra is a problem for us," Gonzalez said. They desire solutions by means and extremes, and sometimes go off on tangents in a search of absolute value.

They use secret code names like 'x' and 'y' and refer to themselves as
'unknowns', but we have determined they belong to a common denominator of the axis of medieval with coordinates in every country. As the Greek philanderer Isosceles used to say, 'There are 3 sides to every triangle'."

When asked to comment on the arrest, President Bush said, "If God had
wanted us to have better weapons of math instruction, He would have given us more fingers and toes."

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:02 PM

Hey, don't worry about being happy. Those people have to live somewhere, right? They need to rent places - and i happen to be a landlord (and also, looking for more property). georgia has the highest foreclosure rate in the country.


Posted by: atlmom1234 | August 28, 2007 05:01 PM

Bet that is driving up rental prices, I know it is here, but renting still a LOT more affordable than buying right now. Hope it is working out for you, you can console all these foreclosed individuals with affordable rental rates :D

Posted by: _Miles | August 28, 2007 5:04 PM

LOL KLB, that's two posts today I am copy/pasting and sending on for amusement elsewhere!

Posted by: _Miles | August 28, 2007 5:05 PM

klb - where are you getting these jokes? Are you the jokester in past blog life?

a proud member of al-gebra myself!

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 5:06 PM

No, not "the poster formerly known as jokester". I just happened to receive these from friends today and thought I would pass them on.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:08 PM

Remember a couple of months ago we would wind down during happy and talk about adult beverages and wasabi almonds and tell jokes? I am just taking a trip (sniff sniff) down memory lane (sniff sniff).

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:09 PM

That is supposed to be Happy HOUR.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:10 PM

woo hoo! I'm with you klb!

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 5:11 PM

So what would be the adult beverage of choice tonite?

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:12 PM

good night, off to rum and coke land!

Posted by: pATRICK | August 28, 2007 5:13 PM

I am still into coconut rum with pinepple/mango/guava juice ... or maybe I should do guaveberry liquor?

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 5:14 PM

dotted, that sounds interesting. Is it really sweet? Never heard of guavaberry liquor. That sounds sweet too.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:16 PM

klb-well, it is sortof like a planter's punch. If you think planter's punch is too sweet, then....

guavaberry liquor is from Saint Martin. It is a rum 'liqueur' from Philipsburg, Sint Maarten...heaven on earth during heat waves.

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 5:19 PM

Oh - my friend was looking for that one day. She had it when her husband took her on a cruise for their 25th. She rarely raves about a drink so it must have been good.

Posted by: KLB_SS_MD | August 28, 2007 5:23 PM

have to jet. See you tomorrow, same bat time, same bat channel.

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 5:24 PM

KLB - you have great sources, LOL.

Posted by: mn.188 | August 28, 2007 5:38 PM

"good night, off to rum and coke land!"

Thank God. You ruin this blog on a daily basis. There are many self-help groups that can help you with your alcohol addiction. You might think it's funny to continually make comments like this. But it's really not. You need help pATRICK. And we are here for you.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 28, 2007 6:02 PM

jeez bababooey666-judgemental much? I don't believe anyone ruins a blog more than the sanctimonious

to be specific: talking about rum/coke land is not the same as an alcoholic addiction. Try to be more understanding, will you?

Posted by: dotted_1 | August 28, 2007 6:33 PM

when bababooey goes to sleep, he thinks about pATRICK:

You are an obsession
I cannot sleep
I am a possession
Unopened at your feet
There is no balance
No equality
Be still
I will not accept defeat

I will have you
Yes I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you
Like a butterfly
A wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you

You are an obsession
You're my obsession
Who do you want me to be
To make you sleep with me
You are an obsession
You're my obsession
Who do you want me to be
To make you sleep with me

I feed you I drink you
My day and my night
I need you I need you
By sun or candlelight
You protest you want to leave
Stay there's no alternative

Your face appears again
I see the beauty there
But I see danger
Stranger beware
A circumstance in your naked dreams
Your affection is not what it seems

You are an obsession
You're my obsession
Who do you want me to be
To make you sleep with me
You are an obsession
You're my obsession
Who do you want me to be
To make you sleep with me

My fantasy has turned to madness
All my goodness has turned to badness
My need to possess you has consumed my soul
My life is trembling I have no control

I will have you
Yes I will have you
I will find a way and I will have you
Like a butterfly
A wild butterfly
I will collect you and capture you

You are an obsession
You're my obsession
Who do you want me to be
To make you sleep with me
You are an obsession
You're my obsession
Who do you want me to be
To make you sleep with me
(repeat and fade)

Posted by: gcoward | August 28, 2007 6:39 PM

LondonMom, don't know if you will still be reading, but have you tried going to your 2-year-old's bed instead?

When we made the transition with our son from co-sleeping to sleeping in his own bed, we eventually got him a regular twin-sized bed with a bed-rail (he was a little under 2 at the time). When he needs comfort in the night I will go lie with him in his bed, or sit next to it and hold his hand and sing. He pretty quickly got used to staying in his bed and sleeping there, though that did not mean he would sleep through the night, of course. But even that has gotten better (it's been about a year) and most nights he does pretty well.

Posted by: LizaBean | August 28, 2007 9:23 PM

gcoward:

It would have been a little funnier if you had shown some creativity and altered the lyrics to play up the "feud" that I have with pATRICK. As it is, you just posted the lyrics of a bad 1980s song. If you would like, I could do that all day long.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 29, 2007 9:17 AM

"jeez bababooey666-judgemental much? I don't believe anyone ruins a blog more than the sanctimonious

to be specific: talking about rum/coke land is not the same as an alcoholic addiction. Try to be more understanding, will you?"

Spoken like a true addict, dotted_1. Please get some help. There are many different programs available to you. Please stop hurting your friends and family and just get the help that you need. As with pATRICK, we are all here for you. Love you, dotted_1.

Posted by: bababooey666 | August 29, 2007 9:21 AM

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