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Moving: 719 Miles and a Million Questions

By Rebeldad Brian Reid

Ten years ago, I moved to the Washington area with all of my possessions in a green Mazda 626. Since I arrived, I've moved four more times. The total distance of those four moves, put together, was less than seven miles.

But a week from tomorrow, a moving van will arrive at my house and take everything I own 719 miles away to Champaign, Ill. Given my utter inexperience with moves of longer than, say, a couple of miles, I am utterly terrified.

The kids are only magnifying the terror. The move means a new preschool, a new elementary school, and about a million questions that I don't have the answer to: Will there be kids my age in the neighborhood? What will my school be like? What will we do after school? Is the playground any good? And so on.

Our approach to date with the big kid -- who will be headed to a new elementary school -- has been to be as honest as possible in confessing our ignorance of some of the specifics and explaining why we're making the move. We're working what meager connections we have in the area to set up some social events before school kicks off so that there won't be two weeks of total social isolation.

As for the toddler, we're doing a lot of crossing our fingers and hoping for the best. From the reading I've done, it seems that for the under-three set, the best that can be hoped for is survival of the actual move.

There appears to be some standard parenting advice for this kind of kid-related trauma, but it's not exactly rocket science. The University of Florida suggests "nurture a supportive family environment." The National Network for Child Care helpfully advises that children should "scope out the neighborhood before you move," which is not -- unfortunately -- a luxury we will have. And the U.S. Postal Service has a bevy of tips, from scrapbooking before departure to decorating after arrival.

All of this makes sense, but I don't see any silver bullets that will transform the sudden change in scenery into something easy. Since Washington is a transient place, I'm sure some of you have best-practices for this kind of thing. Care to share?

Brian Reid writes about parenting and work-family balance. You can read his blog at rebeldad.com.

By Brian Reid |  July 24, 2008; 7:00 AM ET  | Category:  Elementary Schoolers
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I've got zip moving tips. But here's a blast from the past:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/parenting/2007/02/welcome.html

Posted by: Um | July 24, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

I've moved my family between the US and AU many times over the years. All the way through 5th grade for one kid...the rest were little for these moves. Guess what? It wasn't a big deal. Brian, you're projecting your own fears. It is easy to work yourself up over this. Tell them it is an adventure and adventures are okay. Don't overwork this, just do it. But don't, please don't, project your own fears. My kids changed continents, accents, food choices, time zones, friends, school types (public/private/single sex), school clothes (no reqs/uniforms), housing (house/apartment), with no problems. I'm not bragging. I'm just telling you moving isn't a problem unless you make it one.

Coincidently, many issues on this blog seem to be parent-created issues, rather than child-created issues.

Posted by: dotted | July 24, 2008 7:42 AM | Report abuse

dotted

"Coincidently, many issues on this blog seem to be parent-created issues, rather than child-created issues."

What else can you expect from the Okra Parenting blog?

Posted by: Yup | July 24, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Just kinda' like whens we moved to the Beverly Hills. I justa told Jethro that it was a big adventure! Takes the fears out it and think new fun!

Posted by: Jed Clampett | July 24, 2008 7:55 AM | Report abuse

A troll's work is never done.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Wow! | July 24, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"A troll's work is never done."

Registration is coming. No time to lose.

Posted by: Arg | July 24, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

For all you folks asking for registration, it is coming. I don't have
an exact date for you yet, but will let you know as soon as we're
getting close. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Posted by: Stacey Garfinkle | July 23, 2008 10:14 PM

Get those new throwaway names ready now. Perhaps if there were
interesting topics then maybe people wouldn't find the need to post
mindlessly.

Posted by: Troll for the Day! | July 24, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I agree with dotted, it is only a big deal if you make it a big deal. We moved the now 2.5 year old from Florida to Texas and back in one year for a work assignment. She did fine. Kids are remarkably resilient. Coincidently, she has only been sick twice in her short life and both instances were the week after we moved. So the changes affected her, but no long term issues.

Posted by: Alycia | July 24, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Troll for the Day

"Get those new throwaway names ready now. Perhaps if there were
interesting topics then maybe people wouldn't find the need to post
mindlessly."

Great idea for today's B topic:

My new On Puppies blog name.

Posted by: Arf | July 24, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm voting with dotted. Brian, you set the vibe. If you are freaked out, they will be. Especially with your older one, this is an opportunity for him/her to learn some valuable lessons and skills. Life is hard sometimes, but then it gets better - making new friends can be easy if you just try - family is always there for you etc.... Important lessons are never learned during the easy times. Good luck - remember no one ever died from moving trauma.

Posted by: Moxiemom | July 24, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

It depends on the kid. Our older child hates change of any sort. Our younger child is always up for a new adventure. The best thing we did on our last move was to get a second pet as soon as we got to the new home. We all wanted a second pet anyway, but the move allowed us to make the timing work so that our new arrival was a positive outcome of the move. It gave our oldest something positive on which to focus at an otherwise (for her) stressful time. Finding and making new friends takes longer for some kids than others. Saying it's an adventure won't make that issue go away, but moving and new environments are a part of life. You are teaching your kids useful skills for establishing a new social life when they go to college, for one thing.

Posted by: Sophie | July 24, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

BTW - Champaign is a wonderful college town. I'm sure that your life will be nicer and more balanced than it was in the DC area. You are gonna love it.

Posted by: Moxiemom | July 24, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Also agree with dotted. Let's see - Germany to Missouri to Colorado to South Carolina to California to ....

It's been done, Brian, by many people, many times. Don't project your fears on your kids. Tell them:

- there will be great new schools for you to go to. (There will be.) Tell them the names of their schools; go to the school website and show them who the principal is, what it's like, etc.
- you'll make new friends. (They will.)
- you'll see a LOT of snow in the winter. (They will - you'll learn the true meaning of "Alberta Clipper.")

Tell them about the new house. Go online; look for pictures of the U/C area. There are tons. Let them see what it's like.

Tell them all about the U of I.

Tell them that they'll have the most important people in the world with them: their families. And SHOW them that that's true.

It's an adventure. It's an exciting new time in their lives. Make it so. Make it fun, not fearful.

Oh, and tell them about corn. Miles and miles and miles of corn...

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Maybe skip the part about the corn . . .

just sayin'.

Posted by: elemeno | July 24, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

you forgot the soy beans!

Posted by: to AB | July 24, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree with all those who agree with dotted. This isn't an issue unless you make it one by freaking out. Why would it be an issue for a toddler...as long as the family is moving with him/her?

We moved from DC to Ohio a few years ago and the kids were fine. I read them a few moving-oriented stories in the weeks prior to the move (the Berenstain Bears have one that was a hit) and that actually gave a us a few things to refer when peppered with questions.

Posted by: mlc | July 24, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

i don't know, saying that the parent sets the tone for the child is not necessarily true. children are not blank slates that parents project on. they have their own personalities. for some children a move will rock their world & rock it hard. there are children for whom change is hard. no amount of pollyanna talk will make it is any easier. i think armybrat has some good advice but you are the one who knows your children. is your oldest a go-with-the-flow or adventurous type? how about your youngest? is one of your kids resistent to change? those personality quirks will tell you how to deal with the move.

Posted by: quark | July 24, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

My family (including 3 kids ages 1.5-7) just moved 2 months ago from one side of the DC Beltway to another. Dotted and other posters have it right -- don't let the kids smell your fear. Make it a fun adventure, and they will handle it just fine.

In terms of moving tips, one thing I did that worked out great was I gave each kid a special set of stickers for their boxes. So upon arrival at the new house, it was their job to "find" their boxes and then they had a great time unpacking them. It also kept them busy while I unpacked some critical things like towels and the toaster! (Also -- I found it very helpful to carefully label the kids' boxes with detailed description of the contents. Though it was a pain when we did it, it really helped later when each kid was looking for something specific.) I also let them each pick out something "new" for their room (older girl got a new comforter & sheet set; middle kid got a new wallhanging; youngest got sheets with vehicles for his bed). That was very exciting, particularly for the older ones.

Also, ahead of time I set aside an afternoon (and told them about it) a few days after we moved to check out all the local playgrounds -- I think we must have hit 5 in one afternoon. They had so much fun, and it alleviated their concerns about "will the playgrounds be good." Finally, I let the older 2 have some say about where they wanted things placed in their rooms (furniture, wallhangings, etc.). A simple choice of "here or over there" made them really feel like they had some control and were part of the process.

Good luck!

Posted by: JD | July 24, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Suck it up & be an adult, Brian. People have to move long distances all the time, without discernible harm.

Posted by: What a baby! | July 24, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Brian, it's only a couple hours train ride (an adventure in itself for kids) to Chicago, with world class museums and great shopping. Slightly farther to St. Louis, but also a good weekend destination. Focus on the positives.

Posted by: Day trip | July 24, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"you forgot the soy beans!"

You're right; I did. But in my defense it's because all the corn was blocking them out.

One culture shock when I went to Purdue - all the commercials on TV for agricultural products - herbicides, pesticides, new seed varieties, why you should see your local merchant NOW to plan for next year's planting, etc. It really hits you how big a business it is.

(As opposed to Colorado Springs, where one-third of the commercials are from chiropractors who will work with your lawyer, and the other two-thirds are from lawyers who will work with your chiropractor. :-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

For all you folks asking for registration, it is coming. I don't have
an exact date for you yet, but will let you know as soon as we're
getting close. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Posted by: Stacey Garfinkle | July 23, 2008 10:14 PM

If this blog exists for the entertainment of a dozen "regulars" who post on many other blogs, fine. If the washpost counts the clicks for advertisment revenue -- bad idea, see the fate of OnBalance. If Stacey's evaluation depends on the number of postings -- doubly bad idea.

Posted by: Bad idea | July 24, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Lucky you, Brian. . .we want to move to the Midwest, too, but gotta sell our house first. . .and that will take a while. Don't have kids, but most likely, they will be fine - there might be a period of adjustment, but in the long run, it will probably be good for them to learn to cope with change - it happens to all of us.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I would schedule counseling sessions twice a week for my little sweeties in the months approaching and following this traumatic disruption of my precious child's development. Preferabye I would fly in the therapist from the new community to provide for an effective transition to the alien environment. Cost has no boundary for the love, mothering and nurturing my precious child deserves.

I would interview prosepctive friends via a neighborhood survey to ascertain if the young individuals are suitable companions for precious. The evaulaution forms would be graded by my therapists for their level of emotional support, moral fibre and intelligence. Nothing but the best for my cutie.

Posted by: Donna/Cecilia Hybrid | July 24, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"moving isn't a problem unless you make it one."

Dotted, I agree that the parent's attitude has a lot to do with how the kids adjust. But I don't like the implication that, if your kid does have a problem, you must have done something wrong. Most every kid is going to take some time to adjust, and some have a harder time of it than others. If your kids are very attached to a place and a routine, or introverted and intimidated at the thought of making new friends, then even the best parenting isn't going to make all of the problems go away.

The suggestions everyone has posted are still how you deal with it. My suggestion is to reestablish a routine and a sense of order and normalcy as soon as possible. Moving directly into your new home is best if you can manage it (3 mos. in Residence Inn w/ 3 yr old = NOT fun!). Start up the old family rituals -- or create new ones -- as soon as possible. If you always have dinner together, then unpack the table and chairs early on so you can sit and have dinner together, even if you're still surrounded by boxes. Make sure the kids get normal food, sleep, exercise, and playtime as close to their regular routines as possible -- especially when they're little. Take walks around the neighborhood every day, so they get used to the new place and meet some people. Take a little extra time at night for a nice soak in the tub and an extra snuggle at bedtime (for you, too! :-)).

It's so easy to get caught up in all the move-related stuff that you let those other things slide for a while. Because as grownups, we've trained ourselves to survive skipped meals and late nights and that sort of thing. But kids don't have those same resources -- and just as importantly, those are the routines that make them feel "normal" and safe.

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Brian, are you sure you aren't going to accidentally move your kids in next door to a sex offender? One wrong move and your kids could suffer the unimaginable. If you didn't do everything you could to prevent an incident, you'll end up bringing the guilt of it all to your grave.

Posted by: not paranoid, just practical | July 24, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

ArmyBrat

(As opposed to Colorado Springs, where one-third of the commercials are from chiropractors who will work with your lawyer, and the other two-thirds are from lawyers who will work with your chiropractor. :-)

Brian's wife is a lawyer/professor. They are probably moving for a new teaching job for her.

But, hey thanks for the lawyer bashing, windbag.


Posted by: Yawn | July 24, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I agree with quark...parents can't always set the tone and have kids go along. Granted, Brian not worrying about it will help his kids not worry about it, but it is not a guarantee that it will all go smoothly. I would certainly use the internet to familiarize the kids with the area as much as possible. I moved a lot as a kid. My mom started buying me disposable cameras in the few weeks before we left so I could take pictures of my friends, my room, the backyard, whatever. Then I could assemble a scrapbook when we got to our new house. It also gave them an idea of what I was worried about missing the most so they could talk to me about it.

I am sure that the move will go well!

Posted by: Momof5 | July 24, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

See, the Donna/Laura hybrid made me laugh. Will registration eliminate that? I can't wait for school to start so I can go back to work. I'm spending way too much time reading this thing....

Posted by: mlc | July 24, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"If you didn't do everything you could to prevent an incident, you'll end up bringing the guilt of it all to your grave. "

Just like Sherri Shepard.

Posted by: Yup | July 24, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

oops, Donna/Cecelia hybrid, I meant. Sorry, Laura...no offense meant.

Posted by: mlc | July 24, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

1. Your children will learn that food does not come from the grocery store!

2. The word "hybrid" is not an invention of Toyota.

3. Henry A. Wallace, Vice President and farmer extraordinaire!

4. Why Pioneer 869 is better that Pioneer 412

5. Anhydrous Ammonia has other uses than for blowing up stuff.

6. What to do on a Saturday night: cruising from the Dairy Queen to the gas station and back!

7. Plain spoken folks and straight roads!

8. Blue Ribbons and State Fairs are really kind of neat things.

9. Traffic? Traffic? The people in Champaign-Urbana just think they have traffic!

10. Yes, people do stop in the middle of county roads to talk a spell!

Posted by: More Farming Fun Facts! | July 24, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Donna/Cecelia hybrid are conjoined-at-the vagina twins and will be accepted under one registration name.

Posted by: From the management | July 24, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Brian, think of all the money your family will be saving, not to mention the accompanying reduction of stress, from living where the cost of living is significantly lower and the commutes are shorter. You can even consider trading in one of your vehicles for a bicycle, and your kids can also bicycle to a lot of places more safely, since it's so flat there as well as less crowded than DC.

Posted by: some of us PREFER flyover country | July 24, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh Army Brat, how long has it been since you've lived in the midwest? This last winter was the first one we've had with more than two decent snowstorms in over 5 years, thank you global warming. And thanks to the rise of corporate farms, there is very little advertising for agricultural products since it is now more of a company purchase than a personal one.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Laura and Momof5,
I kindly disagree with you. You are missing the point. I never said, or implied, anything about 'if kids are upset, you must have done something wrong.' However, if you successfully project your fears, your kids will be upset. Almost guaranteed. In the case of moving, parents do set the tone. I also moved a lot as a child. It gets to be one big yawn even through high school, in my case.

In general, it gets down to this: Who rules your roost? Parents or child? In my home, it is the parents. If the parents early on, put the focus on their relationship with the kids following, your life will be easier. The only hiccup I can think here would be severly disabled children (think very austistic or something ). But, since most kids thankfully are normal, generalities hold. Maybe I should post as Momof4 or something so people might believe my blog-cred.

Posted by: dotted | July 24, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget the Lincoln Heritage Trail, and visiting the state capital and Lincoln museum in Springfield. Plus your kids will love that February 12 is an actual state holiday in Illinois (none of this wimpy "Presidents' Day cr@p).

Posted by: Day trip | July 24, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Dag nabit, Brian, I will told you one thing, ain't no good weasel flambeau out there in the middle of noswhere where you be gettin' off to!

Posted by: Jed Clampett | July 24, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

mlc and others: Actually, I'm willing to bet that cecilia and jed are one and the same ;-)

Posted by: Stacey Garfinkle | July 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, have any of you people ever lived in a large state college town, and I mean while not in college. Places like Champaign-Urbana are fairly similar to the DC suburbs, only more self-contained, since there is not a nearby large city and other suburbs to provide cultural and economic opportunity. You're not going to be stopping on country roads to talk a spell unless you get a place way out in the country or going out on a day trip to a farm. There is of course, one huge advantage for living in a college town over these suburbs, besides cost of living, they are the best places to go to high school.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"If this blog exists for the entertainment of a dozen "regulars" who post on many other blogs, fine."

I am a frequent lurker. I don't care where anyone posts or who they are. All I want to read about here are parenting ideas and topics. Someone's petty vendetta against someone else holds no entertainment value for me. I can ignore the friendly off-topic comments, but the bile and childish attacks of the last several days and pasted off-topic posts from other blogs? Get rid of that stuff.

Monitoring would work as well as a simple registration process. No one ever monitors this blog.

Posted by: olnc.89 | July 24, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

President Lincoln was born in Kentucky, near Elizabethtown. (But his body does rest in Springfield, Ill)

Posted by: Fun Illnois Fact | July 24, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Day Trip,

Maybe downstate, February 12 is still a holiday, but up here in Chicago, my children most definitely get only President's day off of school. Also, Champaign is a fun enough town on its own to not have to promote trips to Springfield, Chicago, and St. Louis. That's like saying moving to DC is alright, because you are a short train ride away from New York and you can take day trips to Gettysburg.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Chris

"There is of course, one huge advantage for living in a college town over these suburbs, besides cost of living, they are the best places to go to high school. "

And lots of student babysitters.

Posted by: BOGO | July 24, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Chris,

You don't have to go more than 10 miles away from the quad at U of I up State Hwy 47 or out east on State Hwy 22 to find farm land.

Posted by: More Farming Fun Facts! | July 24, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Lincoln spent part of his childhood in Indiana. Take THAT, Army Brat!

Posted by: Another Fun Illnois Fact | July 24, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

dotted,

There's no question about your cred. I see laura's point as well, though, that, while your approach is the best out of the gate, some kids still struggle with moves. I have a sibling who is 60 and still can tell you about the one move out of the five the family made that was very tough for her. Not everyone makes friends at the drop of a hat. Parents may need to do more to encourage involvement, invite potential new friends over and otherwise smoothe the path for the kid who doesn't adjust as well to change. Acknowledging that each kid is different doesn't undercut your great general advice.

Posted by: Golden Neighbor | July 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Chris

"There is of course, one huge advantage for living in a college town over these suburbs, besides cost of living, they are the best places to go to high school. "

Lots of dive bars too!

Posted by: tgif | July 24, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

tgif

"There is of course, one huge advantage for living in a college town over these suburbs, besides cost of living, they are the best places to go to high school. "

"Lots of dive bars too!"

And lots of hot female students on the prowl. Not a bad place to be for SAHD.

Posted by: Hector | July 24, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Registration-- yes!!! I'm sick of scrolling through endless troll posts to find the real responses.

Posted by: anne | July 24, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Brian, are you sure you aren't going to accidentally move your kids in next door to a sex offender? One wrong move and your kids could suffer the unimaginable. If you didn't do everything you could to prevent an incident, you'll end up bringing the guilt of it all to your grave.

Posted by: not paranoid, just practical | July 24, 2008 9:02 AM

There are no guarantees in this world, 9:02. Brian could be living next door to a sex offender now. So could you. That's life. What is practical about your comment?

Posted by: huh? | July 24, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Brian, start stocking up on orange and blue clothes NOW!

Posted by: go illini | July 24, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

fr Chris:

>Honestly, have any of you people ever lived in a large state college town, and I mean while not in college....

Yes, Ann Arbor MI. The only time you could almost be assured of a parking place downtown was when the students left for break. Forget getting to a mall on football Saturdays.

Posted by: Alex | July 24, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Forget getting to a mall on football Saturdays.

Posted by: Alex | July 24, 2008 9:49 AM

Really, that's only 5-6 afternoons a year. Besides, once the game starts the rest of a college town is really peaceful for a few hours, no crowds anywhere else. So no big whoop.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the pluses of a large college town far outweigh the negatives.

Great lecture series; great bars with lots of live music and low cover charges; plenty of laundromats; plenty of eye candy with a fresh supply every fall

Posted by: la di da di dah | July 24, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

U of I enrollment highlights:

In 2007

of the 30,700 undergraduates
2,300 in Agriculture
5,000 in Engineering

(about 500 earning an advanced degree in Agriculture!)

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

"For all you folks asking for registration, it is coming. I don't have
an exact date for you yet, but will let you know as soon as we're
getting close. Thanks for reading and commenting."


oh goody, now this blog will be back to 10 inane comments per day. Can't wait!

Posted by: Rtaher read trolls than blathering idiots | July 24, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

U of I enrollment highlights:

In 2007

of the 30,700 undergraduates
2,300 in Agriculture
5,000 in Engineering

(about 500 earning an advanced degree in Agriculture!)

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 9:57 AM

And this is bad because...???

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

And this is bad because...???

Oh, no, not saying it is bad at all.

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"U of I enrollment highlights:

In 2007

of the 30,700 undergraduates
2,300 in Agriculture
5,000 in Engineering

(about 500 earning an advanced degree in Agriculture!)

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 9:57 AM

And this is bad because...???"

5,000 idiot AB windbags!! With fugly DNA!! All in one place.

Posted by: Yikes! | July 24, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

5,000 idiot AB windbags!! With fugly DNA!! All in one place.

No! No! No! AB went to Purdue. Real engineers graduate from the U of I !

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Alert! Alert!

"windbag" now joins "Queen Bees and Wannabes" "hall monitor" "regulars"
"nasty" and "MM" as terms most commonly overused by small minds with no pertinent comments.

Posted by: to Yikes! | July 24, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

5,000 idiot AB windbags!! With fugly DNA!! All in one place.

No! No! No! AB went to Purdue. Real engineers graduate from the U of I !

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 10:06 AM

But where did windbag AB pick up his horsefaced wife?

Posted by: Yikes! | July 24, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

You could change "wind-bag" to "hot air balloon" to shake things up a bit.

Posted by: Hot air balloon | July 24, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

U of I enrollment highlights:

In 2007

of the 30,700 undergraduates
2,300 in Agriculture
5,000 in Engineering

(about 500 earning an advanced degree in Agriculture!)

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 9:57 AM

Flash forward to 2011. 7,300 graduates have jobs and are supporting themselves. 23,400 are either living on dad's couch or going to graduate school. Just what the world needs: more MBAs, useless lawyers and cheetos-eating unemployed 22 year olds.

Posted by: or to think of it another way | July 24, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You could change "wind-bag" to "hot air balloon" to shake things up a bit.

Posted by: Hot air balloon | July 24, 2008 10:12 AM


Good idea! Too much Achenblog.

Posted by: Yikes! | July 24, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

so we have Achenblog to blame for this. Can we buy a one-way bus ticket and send them back?

Posted by: eenie miney mo | July 24, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Just what the world needs: more MBAs, useless lawyers and cheetos-eating unemployed 22 year olds."

The core audience for this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Can all of you trolls go back to the Celebritology Blog? We don't want you here. You guys can go talk about your Lizard Island and pretend you're back in high school.

Posted by: From Donna and Cecelia | July 24, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Golden Neighbor...I appreciate your kind response! You're a doll! (and please, don't get into whether you're a Barbie, GI Joe, and Bratz type....)

and I live in a college town. You tend to get great public schools in a college town. Though I also pay not-so-great taxes for the priviledge.

Posted by: dotted | July 24, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Considering the mean girls on the OP elementary school playground, that's a virtual compliment.

Posted by: To Donna and Cecelia | July 24, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

10:19, the same trolls are messing up both blogs. It's not the fault of the Celebritology regulars that these self-absorbed numbskulls would rather mess up every blog than allow others to enjoy them. They are the guys that defecate in the neighborhood pool so it closes for the day because ruining something gives them a reason to live.

Posted by: Cy Young | July 24, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

this board needs a log in system

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

tgif,

"Lots of dive bars too!"

That is one of the many reasons why they are great places to live while going to high school.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

None of these comments made today are from me, the real Cecilia. People are mocking me again!

And I have moved 4 times in my life and each time it upset me. LE hubby and I have agreed not to move until little precious has finished high school.

Posted by: Cecilia | July 24, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Is this because I'm a lesbian?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"Just what the world needs: more MBAs, useless lawyers and cheetos-eating unemployed 22 year olds."

The core audience for this blog.


Posted by: | July 24, 2008 10:17 AM

The core audience is parents. Occupations and education are a moot point. Why are you here?

Posted by: to 10:17 | July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Stacey,
I thought you believed Donna and Cecilia were the same person? Now Cecilia and Jed are the same person? Looking at how they write, I can see how people might think Cecilia and Donna are one, but Jed writes so differently. I think Cecilia and Donna are two women with real issues. Cecilia loves her child ad nauseum, so does Laura. Liz D disclosed similar info as Donna. Jed sounds like AB, or any other male posting on this blog, with the exception of ever-over-sensitive Brian.

Posted by: which is it? | July 24, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

How did moving upset you Cecilia? Details.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Oh More Farming Fun Facts,

Where I grew up, it was less than 10 miles to the nearest farm land, that still didn't mean that 80% of the college town population never spent any time driving on a country road, and 99% never stopped to talk to anyone while driving on any country roads.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"Liz D disclosed similar info as Donna."


Huh? Liz is witty, interesting, a left coaster, etc. These two don't have diddly in common.

Posted by: wtf | July 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh More Farming Fun Facts,

Where I grew up, it was less than 10 miles to the nearest farm land, that still didn't mean that 80% of the college town population never spent any time driving on a country road, and 99% never stopped to talk to anyone while driving on any country roads.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 10:38 AM

Ths is one of the reasons you geeks have trouble getting laid. Don't sweat the small stuff. Nobody cares. Let it goooo.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I think moving is a wonderful thing. I moved my child from Nebraska out here to DC so that I could get a job at a more popular mens club. I work at night so that I'm at home with my child!

Posted by: Chastity | July 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Silly me 10:42 poster, I would think that since most people commenting on this blog were parents, our trouble started after we got laid.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Chris: 1
Troll: outclassed

Posted by: badda bing | July 24, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chastity, are our Congressmen good tippers? Sure musta been tough working in Nebraska, with only a unicameral legislature.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

didn't Liz D post some business that is faintly 'naughty' ?? I know Donna did. I'm not accusing. I'm saying there are more similarities among other posters than between Donna and Cecilia or Cecelia (whichever). Whatever. This is stupid.

I do believe registration will kill the blog. Think 'Video killed the rock star'. Can't people see what happened to OB when registration started? Prediction: Stacey will lose her job.

Posted by: which is it? | July 24, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Silly me 10:42 poster, I would think that since most people commenting on this blog were parents, our trouble started after we got laid.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 10:44 AM

I stand corrected. My deepest sympathies to the spouses. Cheating is no longer a mystery to me.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Prediction: Stacey will lose her job."

BWAHAHAHAHA. This blog had 19 - 40 hits on a daily basis two months ago. If it shrank back from 189 comments, 40 of which are germane and 149 of which are personal attacks, to 40 comments, 40 of which are useful, that's a more efficient, more entertaining read.

Posted by: huh? | July 24, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

How did moving upset you Cecilia? Details.

I am a very shy person, hubby can't believe that I even post on a blog.

Each move took me away from my BFF's and it just broke my heart. My parents tried as hard as they could to make it easy on me but they never saw how I cried myself to sleep so many nights.

Posted by: Cecilia | July 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"You can even consider trading in one of your vehicles for a bicycle, and your kids can also bicycle to a lot of places more safely, since it's so flat there as well as less crowded than DC."

As a former colleague of Brian's, I can attest that he's already a big cyclist.

Posted by: Dad with kids from A-Z | July 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"If it shrank back from 189 comments, 40 of which are germane and 149 of which are personal attacks, to 40 comments, 40 of which are useful, that's a more efficient, more entertaining read."

What are the useful comments today? What are the entertaining comments today? Could one comment be both (rare, but possible)? Scaremonger - Moving next door to a sex offender? Tips to the hot hookup bars?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Dotted, again, have to respectfully disagree -- the only part of your post I disagreed with was where you said "moving isn't a problem unless you make it one." I don't know how to read that other than to say that, if you do have a problem, it must be because you made it one (because otherwise, it wouldn't be a problem).

And it's not about "who runs the family," either. Our house was clearly run by my mom, and when we moved, she managed it just like everyone here advocates. In charge, excited about the excitement of new experiences and new friends, highly organized, etc. And yet moving was really hard for me. Why? Because I'm an introvert, and making friends intimidates the bejeebers out of me. So when I left my old friends, I was absolutely convinced that I'd never make new ones. Being an extrovert, my mom couldn't see that; she just brushed it off as silly kid drama, because making friends is easy, and all she had to do was surround me with lots of kids.

I didn't need to hear about how great things would be -- I needed to be heard. I needed her to understand and acknowledge that HER choice to uproot us was hard for me. I needed quiet and time to adjust, not large groups of people I didn't know and hugely awkward "here's another new friend!" meetings (ugh -- like being on a blind date with your parents watching). All her efforts to help me make friends backfired, because they just seemed like more proof that she didn't understand me, which left me feeling lonelier. I needed a little less "parents run the household," and a little more of her meeting me where I was.

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

How far did you move each time, Cecilia? DId you change schools?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why other people are pretending to be me. But it doesn't really matter. I will not be able to contribute here much longer as I am taking my children and leaving my husband. I am almost crying now while I write this.
We had a big argument over the weekend which has continued all week. Last night was the worst.
He still refuses to allow me to return to work even though the children are in school all day now. I told him that he doesn't own me - I am not his property and that if I want to get a job there is nothing he can do about it. It just got worse from there and I am moving in with my parents over the weekend. They don't have a computer. I can't take the one from the house as it is my husband's. We are basically taking the clothes on our backs.
At least they will still be in the same school district and can visit their friends. I am glad I got a chance to meet you all - most have been very kind.

Posted by: Donna | July 24, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

You will be able to trace the origins of Route 66 out of Chicago. The town of Dwight is one of the highlights on old 66!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Fact | July 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Why doesnt anyone care about MY move? You guys are all interested in Cecelia's!!!!

Posted by: Chastity | July 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Yawn: "But, hey thanks for the lawyer bashing, windbag."

Any time; don't mention it. You're quite welcome.

Yikes: "But where did windbag AB pick up his horsefaced wife?"

Bethesda, MD, where she grew up surrounded by hundreds of lawyers and several Congress-critters, too. FIL is an engineer; most of the best lawyer jokes are learned by listening to him describe his neighbors. (I've said numerous times I married way, way, way up.)

Chris: "Oh Army Brat, how long has it been since you've lived in the midwest? This last winter was the first one we've had with more than two decent snowstorms in over 5 years, thank you global warming."

Wow; hadn't realized that. I haven't lived in the Midwest in over a decade. Everytime I've been there on business in the winter, it's been bad - guess I have rotten timing. (I also have Jan. 10 1982 permanently seared into my mind. I was driving back to Purdue from New Orleans. The temperature in central IL was -22; the wind chill was -81. The &*))&(* throttle in the car froze open in Effingham, IL while I was stopped for lunch. I learned a new meaning of "Effingham" that day.:-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Oh 10:49 commentator, I am so glad that these posters have enlightened you, but I don't know why it took you this long in your life to discover that there are insufferable boors in this world. How sad you must be, having all of these responsibilities that cause you to come to parenting advice, but not having enough life experience to understand why people cheat until today.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Chris and Laura are my heroes.

Posted by: Fake Name for Today to Deflect Attention | July 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Donna | July 24, 2008 11:05 AM

this is troll nonsense. Next she will be a porn star like that girl chrissy was it?

Posted by: sure honey | July 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

How sad you must be, having all of these responsibilities that cause you to come to parenting advice, but not having enough life experience to understand why people cheat until today.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 11:13 AM

A strong moral code will do it every time.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Next she will be a porn star like that girl chrissy was it?

Posted by: sure honey | July 24, 2008 11:16 AM


Two different people. One of the purported OB regulars disclosed that back in the day she danced, as they say. Chrissy was the two-week phenomena claiming that she'd just found out her new husband had a vasectomy and didn't tell her about it.

Posted by: to sure honey | July 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

A strong moral code will cause you to cheat?

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

A strong moral code will do it every time.

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 11:17 AM

so says the troll who types with his left hand while mas*****ting with his right.

Posted by: sheesh | July 24, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

We moved when I was 15, I hated my parents for it at the time - but in hindsight the experience was very beneficial. As a teen it was an invaluable opportunity to discard all the sterotypes and social baggage from my old address and get a fresh start.

With littler kids probably wouldnt be the same, but there would be attention from being the new kid so not all bad.

Find out about any YMCA summer day camps, they are usually inexpensive and age-based so your kids would get to meet some local kids of the same age - and as parents youcould meet some contemporaries. Sign up for youth soccer, hockey (or whatever now) so you dont miss out due to deadlines.

FWIW I find the commenatry amusing and am certain that Fo4 has multiple funny pen names.

Posted by: Fo3 | July 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

A strong moral code will do it every time.

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 11:17 AM

Is that like the DaVinci Code, only with steel instead of words?

and what is the "it" that the Strong Moral Code does?

Does Billy Bob Thornton live by a Strong Immoral Code?

So many questions.

Posted by: Just shoot me | July 24, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Fun Illinois Facts:

"U of I enrollment highlights:

In 2007

of the 30,700 undergraduates
2,300 in Agriculture
5,000 in Engineering

(about 500 earning an advanced degree in Agriculture!)"

For Purdue, same year:

Undergraduates 31,186
Agriculture: 2,479 UG; 491 Grad
Engineering: 6,215 UG; 2,777 Grad

Fairly easy to see which is the "cow college." We didn't used to call it "Indiana A&M" for nothing. :-)

FWIW, the pulchritude quotient at U of I is much much higher than at dear old Purdon't. It's a 90 minute drive between campuses; I've made that trip any number of times. :-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"I've made that trip any number of times."

Sober, we're sure.

Posted by: hmmmm | July 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Can you idiots from the celebritology blog stop posting on the OP blog? You have your own blog to trash, stop doing it to ours. Thanks.

Posted by: OP blogger | July 24, 2008 10:46 AM

*********

FYI - it's not the regular celebritology posters. We are ALL being hit by the trolls. Apparently they were even on the weather blog yesterday. Now, back to your regularly scheduled blog chat.
Thanks

Posted by: FYI - I come in peace... | July 24, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

laura, i hear you & agree. for those out going kids a new home is a place to make more friends. they are the kids who will go to a huge university and get to know just about everybody in it. for somebody who makes friends slowly or is shy or has only 1 or 2 friends a move can really stink. like i said, all the pollyanna talk in the world won't make it any less stressful. rather than deny or brush it away it's better to acknowledge to your child that it is a big deal.

Posted by: quark | July 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"From the reading I've done, it seems that for the under-three set, the best that can be hoped for is survival of the actual move.

There appears to be some standard parenting advice for this kind of kid-related trauma..."

In 1840, moving for many people meant loading up a wooden wagon with all your possessions, and heading off to somewhere that was completely unknown to them, didn't have running water (and no guarantee of food or any water for that matter), no guarantee of a job, and they could very well die along the way. In less that 200 years, have we become such weaklings that it is newsworthy to write a blog worrying about a move to Chicago in an age where everything is at your fingertips, you can be constantly connected to everyone you know from hundreds of miles away, and the worst hardship you have to endure is that you and your kids need to change jobs/schools and make some new friends?

Trauma? Please...you're on easy street and don't even know it.

Posted by: stugats | July 24, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

A strong moral code will do it every time.

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 11:17 AM

Is that like the DaVinci Code, only with steel instead of words?

and what is the "it" that the Strong Moral Code does?

Does Billy Bob Thornton live by a Strong Immoral Code?

So many questions.
Posted by: Just shoot me | July 24, 2008 11:24 AM

A strong moral code means that I'm scared to death of burning in Hell forever and ever and ever for breaking God's law. So it's pretty easy for me to resist co-worker Den Zel putting the moves on me a couple of times a week.

But I don't know how long I could stand living with a crashing bore, if for some weird reason I didn't figure out he was a bore before I married him. Maybe that's why some married women get obese, they eat their way to oblivion.
To each his own.

Posted by: No, you didn't | July 24, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Why stop at 1840? Let's hear your lecture on the serfs, the Black Plague, what a rough time the Crusades were, pagan sacrifice and how much it sucked to be a witch in Salem, Massachusetts back in the day?

Good thing Brian has you to enlighten him about what constitutes real hardship, Smuggly.

Posted by: shilly shally | July 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

shilly shally, is that you, MN?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Brian, for kids to move at that age is not a problem at all. Even if they stay in the same place their circle of friends tends to change based on who is in their class in the new school year. (Junior high and high school are the challenging times to move.)

Check out the message boards at www.city-data.com. You can post questions there about your new locale and people who live there can give you advice, suggestions, and reassurance.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"In less that 200 years, have we become such weaklings that it is newsworthy to write a blog worrying about a move to Chicago in an age where everything is at your fingertips, you can be constantly connected to everyone you know from hundreds of miles away, and the worst hardship you have to endure is that you and your kids need to change jobs/schools and make some new friends? "

Get a grip. Brian would be a whiner in any century.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

FWIW I find the commenatry amusing and am certain that Fo4 has multiple funny pen names.

Posted by: Fo3 | July 24, 2008 11:21 AM

Do you think he's Cecilia or Donna?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Because shilly shally, unlike you it irritates me when whiny babies make a big deal out of nothing and I was simply trying to make the point that it was not very long ago that moving meant having something worthwhile to be worried about.

Thanks for straightening me out though.

Posted by: stugats | July 24, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

In preseason honors, the U of I football team is predicted to finish 3rd in the Big 10.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It is not all about you. Families move all the time. It is not a big deal. Get over it and over yourself. Laura blaming her mom for her supposed 'choice' says 'it is all about me' loud and clear.

Posted by: first post | July 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

stugats, if only you'd been here yesterday. THAT was making a big deal out of nothing.

Posted by: shilly shally | July 24, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Here's a parenting issue for you: "A New Zealand judge has made a 9-year-old girl a ward of the court so that her name can be changed from 'Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii' "

"Family Court Judge Rob Murfitt listed a series of unusual names that New Zealand parents had given their children, and said he was concerned that such strange monikers would create hurdles for them as they grew up. Among the names Murfitt cited: twins named Benson and Hedges -- after a brand of cigarettes; Violence; and Number 16 Bus Shelter."

"The Registrar General of Births, Deaths and Marriages said in a statement that it had rejected names including Fish and Chips, Yeah Detroit, Stallion, Twisty Poi -- a staple food in Polynesian cuisine -- and Sex Fruit."

(see http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/07/24/odd.names/index.html?iref=mpstoryview )

You gotta be kidding me - a judge interfering with the rights of a parent to name their kid what they wanted? They PURPOSELY named their kid "Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii" and he's letting her change it, even though she's only 9? Where does the judge get off?

And what about the Registrar of Births, rejecting outright the wishes of a parents to name their child "Sex Fruit?" That's an apt description!

The nerve of the government of New Zealand!

(And yes I am being sarcastic. :-)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Back off of Laura. If you don't like her comments, ignore them. Geez. The egos of some of these trolls.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The egos of some of these trolls.

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 11:49 AM

If you can't even sign your post then you must be a troll also.

Posted by: Anon=Troll | July 24, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Laura blaming her mom for her supposed 'choice' says 'it is all about me' loud and clear."

Five minutes later Laura will be bragging about growing up on food stamps. Also her mother's choice. Would have sucked for a lot of kids.

Parents aren't mind readers. Sheesh.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Donna,
I'm so sorry to hear about you and your family unhappiness. Talk to your non online friends and get some real support during your trying times. I wish you well.

laura and quark,
Please, don't go non-linear on my opinions and experience. Though we can respectfully disagree, so maybe that's okay. If everyone had the same opinion, life would be boring. Have a great day, you two! OT to quark: I love your name. I have to admit, every time I read it, I flash back to that old TV show 'Quark'. Look it up. It was hilarious. Yep, showing my age here again!

Posted by: dotted | July 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If you can't even sign your post then you must be a troll also.

Posted by: Anon=Troll | July 24, 2008 11:54 AM

Troll is as troll does. All posts are inherently anon. Look in the mirror. See the horns and the ugliness? Troll.

Posted by: Freddie Mac or Ginnie Mae Take Your Pick | July 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Brian,

I'm sure your kids will do fine. They have a loving supportive family for a well planned move.

When I was in the 8th grade, I changed schools five times because my loving caring parents would rather revel in their alcoholism/midlife crisis issues rather than worry about the impact this would have on their 13 year old daughter.

And in the end, where I ended up, I made great friends and did fine in spite of the lack of concern on my parent's part.

Posted by: . | July 24, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

what other occupation guarantees nearly 100% male companionship?

Posted by: hermespal | July 23, 2008 5:59 PM
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Engineering....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Moving was hard for me as a kid too. I always had a more difficult time making friends and once I forged close friendships, I had to move again. I always dreamed of being one of those kids who grew up in the same house their whole life. Parents should be upbeat but after a certain point, your children recognize the game and become more apprehensive as they feel you're faking your enthusiasm. I also wanted to live near my extended family and hope to replicate that traditional lifestyle when I have children.

Posted by: FloridaChick | July 24, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Moving was hard for me as a kid too. I always had a more difficult time making friends and once I forged close friendships, I had to move again. I always dreamed of being one of those kids who grew up in the same house their whole life. Parents should be upbeat but after a certain point, your children recognize the game and become more apprehensive as they feel you're faking your enthusiasm. I also wanted to live near my extended family and hope to replicate that traditional lifestyle when I have children.

Posted by: FloridaChick | July 24, 2008 12:05 PM

Killjoy.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

My motto is "Always move your bowels before undertaking a 719 mile drive."

Posted by: Homer Simpson | July 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I always dreamed of being one of those kids who grew up in the same house their whole life.

Careful what you wish for. My mom lived in the same small house all her life, my dad moved in after they were married. It was like a prison for her, and they couldn't afford to move. If her mother (who lived into her 90s) hadn't owned the house we would've had to live in a small apartment without a yard.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It all depends on the attitude that the parents project (yes, kids have their own personalities, but you're setting the tone).

My parents always made moving an adventure, and that's how we saw it, whether we were moving across the country or only halfway across.

Posted by: KateNonymous | July 24, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

".", I feel for you. These sound like the type of parents that when they get old, will be an endless drain of your resources and time, because they will expect you to take care of their every need and whim. Live far away if you can.

I moved at age 11 and it was pretty traumatic. I'm not sure why exactly. But my parents launched it on us without warning and I was devastated (we moved from one area of the midwest to another similar area for my dad's job; he was promoted).

I was always a shy kid and perhaps that was part of it. I adjusted fine to my new school, etc., after some time but will always remember the feeling.


Posted by: SJR | July 24, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

this is one of there's no "right" or "wrong" answer. it's really a matter of what kind of child your child is. moving can be a great experience for some and a not great experience for others. yes, a parent can set the tone but beyond that it depends on the child.

the funny thing about my screen name is that i prefer the "fatty white cheese" definition but i'll take the butt head character too. what the heck.

Posted by: quark | July 24, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I do, it is less stressful than DC for me and my family. The cost of living is way less expensive. Here we can actually afford a house and were able to afford another baby.

We even got a cat.

Posted by: Irishgirl love the Midwest | July 24, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

From a military family that moves alot:
Brian, presumably you went house-hunting at some point before deciding to move there. When my husband went to find our house, he took a video camera with him and shot some footage of the front of the school (nope, no photographing anybody's kiddies); the playground and so forth. He also found the park near our house and did the same thing. At the time, I was kind of annoyed, given that he seemed to spend the WHOLE VIDEO on the swingset, the slide, etc. and it was impossible to tell other things like how big the kitchen was, how many closets were in each bedroom, etc. but it's actually relatively easy to take some footage which is strangely reassuring to your kids.

Also, given how amazing the internet is now, you can usually track down phone numbers for PTA moms for whatever school the kids will be attending. I actually cold-called a few women and asked them to recommend a few neighborhoods that were particularly kid-friendly and then asked the realtor to see what she could find in these neighborhoods. (In one instance, our number was then passed on to someone else in a neigborhood who was moving and we briefly considered buying this house directly from the seller, bypassing the middleman and the fees.) Move alot and you'll get creative!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Quark -- aahhhh...I forgot about the Quark on DS 9. There is another 'Quark' from the late 1970s starring Richard Benjamin. It was a space show by Buck Henry. It spoofed all these other shows, as you would expect from Buck Henry, of course. I need to see it again. It was on while I was in college. butt head...that's good.

Posted by: dotted | July 24, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

My family moved for the first time when I was in the middle of 8th grade. The first friend I made lived right across the street. He turned me on to pot and I've been smoking it ever since.

Posted by: expanded mind | July 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"Also, given how amazing the internet is now, you can usually track down phone numbers for PTA moms for whatever school the kids will be attending."


I was with you until "PTA Moms" - the kiss of death in my book. I'll pass on that tip.

Posted by: Ugg | July 24, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

expanded mind

Must be Fof4.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

My family moved for the first time when I was in the middle of 8th grade. The first friend I made lived right across the street. He turned me on to pot and I've been smoking it ever since.

Posted by: expanded mind | July 24, 2008


Eddie Haskell wants his bong back. Pronto.

Posted by: Violet Rutherford | July 24, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Not a fan of the SAH PTA moms. I wish there was an organization for working parents.

Posted by: UGH | July 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm back, and I'm not now wearing, nor have I ever worn, mom jeans. No point when you have a flat stomach. Don't be jealous.

About moving. I moved 10 times from K-12. I never learned to like it, but I have a string of BFFs I still keep in touch with. The worst, for me but mostly for my parents, was the move between 10th and 11th grade. I was very involved and happy at my HS. It did not take me long to fall in with some interesting and naughty kids at the new school. They sent me to boarding school the summer between 11th and 12th. Good move. I was mostly back on track my senior year, but had I not been a college-focused kid, I would have been a drug-addled loser. They regret it to this day. I regret not having the balls to go out for sports at the new school. Years later I met one of the cheerleaders from my class at a party. She had also transferred in that year and picked right up where she'd left off. It was nice to know that even the cheerleaders were cool with new blood if you were good enough.

Posted by: atb | July 24, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Day Trip,

Maybe downstate, February 12 is still a holiday, but up here in Chicago, my children most definitely get only President's day off of school. Also, Champaign is a fun enough town on its own to not have to promote trips to Springfield, Chicago, and St. Louis. That's like saying moving to DC is alright, because you are a short train ride away from New York and you can take day trips to Gettysburg.

Posted by: Chris | July 24, 2008 9:33 AM

Chris, it's not at all like that. Champaign is not a big city in any way. I, too, am from Chicago, and what you're describing is not at all comparable to the DC/New York example. DC is a huge cultural center and people from all over the country strive to be here. It's has a multitude of theaters, restaurants, high-end shops, diversity in languages, ethnicity, etc. Chicago also has these things. You're kidding yourself if you think Champaign, IL, does.

Why are you deliberately obfuscating the true nature of a midwestern college town just to prove your point that Champaign - and college towns in general - are good places to live? You don't have to exaggerate to prove that point.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"expanded mind

Must be Fof4."

Yep. Typical stoner-victim b.s.
Fof4 also like his booze.

Posted by: Beaver | July 24, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"Also, given how amazing the internet is now, you can usually track down phone numbers for PTA moms for whatever school the kids will be attending."

But why would you want to? So you know who to avoid?

Posted by: Yikes | July 24, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

My family moved for the first time when I was in the middle of 8th grade. The first friend I made lived right across the street. He turned me on to pot and I've been smoking it ever since.

Posted by: expanded mind | July 24, 2008 12:39 PM

Brad, I thought you stopped all of that business when you got together with Angelina and started breeding?

Posted by: inquiring minds | July 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

atb

"I moved 10 times from K-12. I never learned to like it, but I have a string of BFFs I still keep in touch with."

What level of mind could willingly keep in touch with atb for years? The same people who watch wrestlig?

"It was nice to know that even the cheerleaders were cool with new blood if you were good enough."

Thump.

Posted by: Woody Allen | July 24, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

The same people who watch wrestlig?

Correction:

The same people who watch wrestling?

Posted by: Woody Allen | July 24, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I wish i could use the brown note on all these trolls.

Posted by: the crapper | July 24, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"Also, given how amazing the internet is now, you can usually track down phone numbers for PTA moms for whatever school the kids will be attending."

I'm sure these gals woud be delighted to receive cold calls from Brian.

Posted by: NYPD | July 24, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Why are you deliberately obfuscating the true nature of a midwestern college town just to prove your point that Champaign - and college towns in general - are good places to live? You don't have to exaggerate to prove that point."

Probably for the same reason that eveyone in DC thinks it is the only place to live.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Woody Allen- It's hard to understand others' enduring friendships when you have none of your own. Some people just aren't very likable.

Posted by: atb | July 24, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Probably for the same reason that eveyone in DC thinks it is the only place to live."

With the water fountains that double as toilets, bathtubs & laundry sinks for the homeless?

Posted by: DC-Mmmm | July 24, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Population of the top 20 Cities in Illinois

Chicago 2,896,016
Rockford 150,115
Aurora 142,990
Naperville 128,358
Peoria 112,936
Springfield 111,454
Joliet 106,221
Elgin 94,487
Waukegan 87,901
Cicero 85,616
Decatur 81,860
Arlington Heights 76,031
Schaumburg 75,386
Evanston 74,239
Champaign 67,518

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

"Probably for the same reason that eveyone in DC thinks it is the only place to live."

In DC you can get by with a $50 fine for hitting a homeless man if you have fancy sportscar and then driving off, because you claim you didn't see him even though he was spread all over your windshield.

Posted by: my kinda town | July 24, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Uh stugats, Brian is moving to Champaign not Chicago, you are only about 2.8 million people off the mark!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"It was nice to know that even the cheerleaders were cool with new blood if you were good enough."

The highlight of atb's life. Cheerleader stuff.

Posted by: What a nitwit! | July 24, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The highlight of atb's life. Cheerleader stuff.

Posted by: What a nitwit! | July 24, 2008 1:12 PM

Sour grapes clean-up on aisle six.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

It's revealing that Brian has calculated his move to the nearest mile.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"The highlight of atb's life. Cheerleader stuff.

Posted by: What a nitwit! | July 24, 2008 1:12 PM

Sour grapes clean-up on aisle six."

CSS graduate to the front desk to collect your "lost child".

Posted by: Umph | July 24, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

It's revealing that Brian has calculated his move to the nearest mile.

===================================

Hmmm, just like an engineer!! Is AB Brian in real life?

Posted by: Brian equals AB? | July 24, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

i looked up the old tv show. it looks fab. totally cheesy. did i luck into a great web name or what. a generic particle, a fatty white cheese, a butthead character, and a cheesey tv show.

i moved a total of 3 times as a child. the neighborhood i miss the most is oakley forest in severna park. early 1960s suburbia. had a big gang of friends & a neighborhood pool. none of the other places my parents lived were the same.

Posted by: quark | July 24, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Fun Illinois Facts, you have way too much time on your hands.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"Probably for the same reason that eveyone in DC thinks it is the only place to live."

With the water fountains that double as toilets, bathtubs & laundry sinks for the homeless?

Posted by: DC-Mmmm | July 24, 2008 1:05 PM


"It was nice to know that even the cheerleaders were cool with new blood if you were good enough."

The highlight of atb's life. Cheerleader stuff.

Posted by: What a nitwit! | July 24, 2008 1:12 PM

It's revealing that Brian has calculated his move to the nearest mile.

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 1:16 PM


You commentators are HILARIOUS. I havent laughed this hard in ages! You need to spread the laughs to the other blogs - esp the celeb blog which is currently being run by some dweebs who think they are still in high school.

Posted by: Damon | July 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I didn't cheer. I was a softball player. (luv ya, AB) The cheerleading example was to demonstrate that even amongst the cheerleaders it's not so hard to fit in as a new kid.

On an off topic note, this has been going around. It's one of the few forwards that has made me actually LOL.

THE TODDLER DIET

People are always on the lookout for a new diet. The trouble with most diets is that you don't get enough to eat (the starvation diet), you don't get enough variation (the liquid diet) or you go broke (the all-meat diet). Consequently, people tend to cheat on their diets, or quit after 3 days.

Well, now there's the new Toddler Miracle Diet.

Over the years you may have noticed that most two year olds are trim. Now the formula to their success is available to all in this new diet. You may want to consult your doctor before embarking on this diet, otherwise, you may be seeing him afterwards. Good Luck !!!

DAY ONE
Breakfast: One scrambled egg, one piece of toast with grape jelly. Eat two bites of egg, using your fingers; dump the rest on the floor. Take one bite of toast, then smear the jelly over your face and clothes.

Lunch: Four crayons (any color), a handful of potato chips, and a glass of milk (three sips only, then spill the rest).

Dinner: A dry stick, two pennies and a nickel, four sips of flat Sprite.

Bedtime snack: Throw a piece of toast on the kitchen floor.

DAY TWO
Breakfast: Pick up stale toast from kitchen floor and eat it. Drink half bottle of vanilla extract or one vial of vegetable dye.

Lunch: Half tube of "Pulsating Pink" lipstick and a handful of Purina DogChow (any flavor). One ice cube, if desired.

Afternoon snack: Lick an all-day sucker until sticky, take outside, drop in dirt. Retrieve and continue slurping until it is clean again. Then bring inside and drop on rug.

Dinner: A rock or an uncooked bean, which should be thrust up your left nostril. Pour Grape Kool-Aid over mashed potatoes; eat with spoon.

DAY THREE
Breakfast: Two pancakes with plenty of syrup, eat one with fingers, rub in hair. Glass of milk; drink half, stuff other pancake in glass. After breakfast, pick up yesterday's sucker from rug, lick off fuzz, put it on the cushion of best chair.

Lunch: Three matches, peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Spit several bites onto the floor. Pour glass of milk on table and slurp up.

Dinner: Dish of ice cream, handful of potato chips, some red punch. Try to laugh some punch through your nose, if possible.

FINAL DAY
Breakfast: A quarter tube of toothpaste (any flavor), bit of soap, an olive. Pour a glass of milk over bowl of cornflakes, add half a cup of sugar. Once cereal is soggy, drink milk and feed cereal to dog.

Lunch: Eat bread crumbs off kitchen floor and dining room carpet. Find that sucker and finish eating it.

Dinner: Drop pieces of spaghetti onto back of dog, insert meatball into ear. Dump pudding into Kool-Aid and suck up with a straw.

REPEAT DAYS AS NEEDED

Posted by: atb | July 24, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

How far did you move each time, Cecilia? DId you change schools?


Yes, I did change schools each time. Otherwise I would still have the same BFF. It is still so painful for me, that I don't care to think about it anymore. I can fully understand what Laura had to say about the whole thing.

Posted by: Cecilia | July 24, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

You commentators are HILARIOUS. I havent laughed this hard in ages! You need to spread the laughs to the other blogs - esp the celeb blog which is currently being run by some dweebs who think they are still in high school.

Posted by: Damon | July 24, 2008 1:24 PM

You're trying too hard, idjit.

Liz runs that blog and she does a fine job of it. Run along now.

Posted by: shilly shally shully | July 24, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

shilly shally shully

It's not hard to copy and paste.

Posted by: damn good job | July 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

atb, the toddler diet fails to mention all the barfing, which is surely the true key to weight-control success.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I did change schools each time. Otherwise I would still have the same BFF. It is still so painful for me, that I don't care to think about it anymore. I can fully understand what Laura had to say about the whole thing.

Posted by: Cecilia | July 24, 2008 1:26 PM

Boo, hoo.
Self pity, martyr crap. Do people really swallow this bull? What stopped you from continuing or later renewing the friendship?

Posted by: It's a choice, it's always a choice. | July 24, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Cecilia's BFF was probably glad to see her leave.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Nurse: Bring the restraints for Patient 1:32 ASAP.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Fun Illinois Facts, you have way too much time on your hands.


No, I just love my home state.

Cairo is the southern most town in Illinois. It is at the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio rivers. The Ohio river ends at this point.

(confluence is such a fun word!)

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Nurse: Bring the restraints for Patient 1:32 ASAP.

Posted by: HAHAHAH | July 24, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Nurse: Bring the restraints for Patient 1:32 ASAP. "

Code Blue for Patient 1:32- laughter attack

Dibs on her boyfriend.

Posted by: Good one! | July 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Fun Illinois Facts, you are so transparent.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

To: Fun Illinois Facts - Oskie Wow wow!

Posted by: Moxiemom | July 24, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Moxiemom, did you go to Cal?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"O, Canada" is the official state song of Illinois!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Now cut that out!

Posted by: Jack Benny was from Illinois | July 24, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

So was Marlin Brando!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

What's today's topic

Posted by: huh? | July 24, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

To huh?

Please restate that in the form of a question!

Posted by: Alex Trebek | July 24, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"Check out the message boards at www.city-data.com. You can post questions there about your new locale and people who live there can give you advice, suggestions, and reassurance."

Also a good way to get messages from weirdos, psychos, and creeps.

Posted by: Law and Order :SVU | July 24, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Also a good way to get messages from weirdos, psychos, and creeps.

Posted by: Law and Order :SVU | July 24, 2008 1:52 PM
*******
And that would be so different from the posts here...

Posted by: redundancy | July 24, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Remember to tip the movers/driver 15%.

Posted by: Packer | July 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"Is AB Brian in real life?"

NOOOOOO!!! For the love of all that's holy, no!

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Alex Trebek: "Please restate that in the form of a question!"

Now you're just hurting my feelings, dredging up memories of my loss on that show. (Where's Weird Al Yankovic when you need him? Guess we'll have to settle for Frankie Yankovic instead.)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Remember to tip the movers/driver 15%.

Posted by: Packer | July 24, 2008 1:56 PM

Otherwise they'll accidentally break your stuff.

Posted by: It's called extortion | July 24, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure if I am happy or sad that I can't relate to this very well.

As a child, I grew up in the same small town and didn't move away until my final year of high school and the move was my choice as I was already living on my own. I didn't particularly have any sad feelings about leaving but perhaps that was because I already knew I would be leaving in less than a year to attend university. I went away to University and then continued to live there for 6 years after I graduated.

My next radical move was down to the US. I started in Maryland then moved to Virginia within the year. The move was initially hard because I didn't know anyone in the area and I was also dealing with a different way of life. I would say that it probably took about a year or a year and a half to adjust.

Posted by: Billie | July 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

JD said the perfect response IMO- go do that.

Posted by: Liz D | July 24, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Alex Trebek: "Please restate that in the form of a question!"

Now you're just hurting my feelings, dredging up memories of my loss on that show. (Where's Weird Al Yankovic when you need him? Guess we'll have to settle for Frankie Yankovic instead.)

Posted by: ArmyBrat | July 24, 2008 1:58 PM

"Now you're just hurting my feelings, dredging up memories of my loss on that show."

Right. Since the last time you brought it up on the OB. Give it a rest or I'll post your appearance on line for the whole OB/OP gang to see.

Posted by: Oh, brother. | July 24, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Right. Since the last time you brought it up on the OB. Give it a rest or I'll post your appearance on line for the whole OB/OP gang to see.

Posted by: Oh, brother. | July 24, 2008 2:06 PM

Can you post it anyway? I'm a new poster, and I haven't seen it.

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Ok, 2:11 was a different Laura. Though I'd still like to see it. :-)

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Right. Since the last time you brought it up on the OB. Give it a rest or I'll post your appearance on line for the whole OB/OP gang to see.

Posted by: Oh, brother. | July 24, 2008 2:06 PM

Can you post it anyway? I'm a new poster, and I haven't seen it.

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 2:11 PM

I'll try to have it up this week.

Posted by: Oh, brother. | July 24, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Actually "Illinois" is the official state song. But I did like the Jack Benny quip.

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Laura, army brat, get a room!

Posted by: Hotel Clerk | July 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Liz is witty, interesting, a left coaster, etc. These two don't have diddly in common.

Posted by: wtf | July 24, 2008 10:41 AM

Gracias. I'm more a middler I think though being in Austin.

Posted by: Liz D | July 24, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Ludacris and Jenny Garth are from Champaign.

Posted by: More Fun IL Facts | July 24, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

So are George F. Will and Bill Geist.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Liz D, Mea culpa. Sorry for the error.

Posted by: wtf | July 24, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

OK, I know who Ludacris, G. Will and Geist are but who the ??? is Jenny Garth?

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

BH 90210, Dancing With The Stars

Posted by: Jenny's credits | July 24, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I just have this feeling that Brian would want to be the one to explain his daughter' period to her when that time came. Seems the type

Posted by: icky | July 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks SJR,

It is exactly as you described.

I moved far away, my father died 10 years ago, and then my mother developed what in most people is a disease that is fatal in ~ 18 months. So I had her move in with us. That was 7 years ago.

And yes, she thinks our life should revolve around her. We work full time with 3 kids. I am an only child, and her other relatives are not on speaking terms with her.

Not a great situation, but I am not letting her run our life and am making a much better life for my kids than I had-

Posted by: . | July 24, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Jenny Garth of 90210 and Dancing with the Stars fame.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001259/

Posted by: More Fun IL facts | July 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Liz D? I thought you were in San Fran? Though Austin fits, too. :-)

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for J. Garth.

Now for a personal Illinois Fun Fact, I was born in Cook County!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, I know who Ludacris, G. Will and Geist are but who the ??? is Jenny Garth?

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 2:29 PM

Is google not working?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Google who? what? where? when? why?

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Google who? what? where? when? why?

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 2:53 PM

Funny Har Har.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I have to give others here a chance to show the range of their knowledge!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I can see getting San Fran, we did go to LA in May. Born and raised in DC, college at UMBC, lived in Ireland, NJ, back to Baltimore and now here in central Texas (where we're just getting lots of needed rain and humidity and a one-day drop into the 80s before we're back up tomorrow from Dolly)

Posted by: Liz D | July 24, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I have to give others here a chance to show the range of their knowledge!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 3:06 PM

And the range today has been impressive indeed.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

LizD, I think there was a San Francisco reference on the day you educated so many of us about various tools/props connected to bondage. It might have been Sue's reference, though. Anyhoo. It stuck, LOL.

Posted by: wtf | July 24, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"I just have this feeling that Brian would want to be the one to explain his daughter' period to her when that time came. Seems the type"

If you wish to volunteer, I don't think that Brian would object.

Posted by: Maxipad | July 24, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

LizD, I think there was a San Francisco reference on the day you educated so many of us about various tools/props connected to bondage. It might have been Sue's reference, though. Anyhoo. It stuck, LOL.

Posted by: wtf | July 24, 2008 3:11 PM

Disgusting!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

3:14, you need to get out more. That bubble has a zipper on the left side.

Posted by: hmmmmmm | July 24, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Will somebody please shoot today's topic and put it out of its misery?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Illinois has several manufacturers of weapons. Among them are ArmaLite of Geneseo, Ill.; Les Baer Custom of Hillsdale, Ill.; Lewis Machine and Tool of Milan, Ill.; Rock River Arms of Colona, Ill. and; Springfield Armory, also of Geneseo.

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Will somebody please shoot today's topic and put it out of its misery?

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 3:29 PM

You mean you dont want to hear about Brian teaching his daughter about feminine products and how to rinse/reuse them like some of the commentators on this blog?

Posted by: Pupu | July 24, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Will somebody please shoot today's topic and put it out of its misery?

Posted by: | July 24, 2008 3:29 PM

We did that already. OTOH, if you didn't hear the blast, we can shoot a couple more rounds in it.

*BAM* *BAM* *BAM* *BAM* *BAM* *BAM

Reload. Repeat as necessary.

Posted by: la di da di dah | July 24, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Fade out.

Posted by: Chittybangbang | July 24, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Fade out.

Posted by: Chittybangbang | July 24, 2008 3:44 PM

even the cockroaches are here now, great

Posted by: ugg | July 24, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Liz D, that was it -- I remember the pics of you at the Pacific, and translated vacation into permanent (and, umm, just a wee bit north). Austin rocks, tho -- if there'd been jobs there when I graduated, I'd probably still be there myself. . . .

Posted by: Laura | July 24, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"(As opposed to Colorado Springs, where one-third of the commercials are from chiropractors who will work with your lawyer, and the other two-thirds are from lawyers who will work with your chiropractor. :-)"

Oh my god, this is so true! Norton Frickey & Associates is permantently seared into my brain!!!


Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The capital of Illinois is Springfield, not Chicago as many in Cook county believe!

Posted by: Fun Illinois Facts | July 24, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the head office of Dewey, Cheatem and Howe in Colo. Spgs, Colo?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 24, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Moving is always hard.

Posted by: adam | August 6, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

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