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GOP House candidate runs TV ad calling for racial profiling

You absolutely have to see this TV ad that a House GOP candidate hoping to take on Dem Rep. Alan Grayson (D) has run in Florida. It not only supports racial profiling, but urges it as a matter of policy -- and even suggests explicitly that darker people are more likely to be terrorists.

In an interview, the candidate, Naval and airline pilot Dan Fanelli, insisted that the spot wasn't meant to suggest that those with darker skin are more inclined towards terror. Watch the spot for yourself:

In the spot, which ran over the weekend on a Fox affiliate in central Florida, Fanelli stands between a middle-aged white man and a younger, swarthy fellow. "Does this look like a terrorist?" he asks, gesturing towards the white man. Then, pointing to the darker dude, he adds: "Or this?"

"It's time to stop this political correctness in the invasion of our privacy," Fanelli says, an apparent call for racial profiling in the searching of those deemed to be potential terrorists.

In an interview, I asked Fanelli if the message of the spot was that darker people are more likely to be terrorists.

He said it wasn't, claiming that the ad's point was that people from countries like Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Syria "require a higher level of security."

"You can be light and from those countries," he said, adding that the actor who played the terrorist in the commercial agreed with him.

Fanelli, who said he had piloted a flight bound for Washington on Sept. 11, when the city was attacked, added that Middle Easterners should want profiling for their own safety.

"If the people that were doing this kind of thing looked like me, even though I'm not the guy doing the terrorist thing I would want to be examined more closely," he said, vowing that he harbored no animosity towards Islam and that in Congress he would represent all religions.

Fanelli is one of a half-dozen Republicans running to take on Grayson. So it's unclear if he'll ever ascend to Congress. But this ad deserves to be entered as an exhibit in the larger argument over the Arizona law, terrorism, and racial profiling.

By Greg Sargent  |  May 5, 2010; 10:31 AM ET
Categories:  2010 elections , House Dems , House GOPers  
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Have you seen the entire story on this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMbPvGSADUg

There's no way Grayson would be lucky enough to face him in the GE. Those other ads are even worse, both in offense and in production, than the one you posted.

Besides, get him into a debate and ask him, since Tim McVeigh perpetrated the 2nd worst terrorist attack in our country's history, if we should pull every veteran out of line at the airport.

Argument = Toast.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | May 5, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...and would that be the first comment on the new and improved (with preview button!) Plum Line Blog?

Word!

Congrats again, Greg.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | May 5, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Wow, it works!

Thanks BBQ.

Let's get started, everyone!

Posted by: sargegreg | May 5, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Ahh SOB.

I wanted the useless "First!" comment.

Oh well.


Cheers.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 5, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey! Finally working. Nice.

Now to catch up....

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 5, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Someone should ask Fanelli if the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building a couple months ago looked like a terrorist.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 5, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Benen makes a most excellent point:

To the relief of some, the man apparently responsible for the failed Times Square car bomb was a Muslim immigrant. Zaid Jilani reminds us of a relevant point: the man who alerted the authorities to the car bomb was also a Muslim immigrant.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 5, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

How can you offer this as an exhibit concerning the Arizona law? The law in Arizona prohibits racial profiling. When you make these connections you become as extreme as the candidate you are discussing.

Posted by: ck_hoover | May 5, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Wonder if Grayson is still out-polling even the GOPs in his district (among GOP voters).

Greg, the new digs are pretty shiny. Congrats.

Posted by: BGinCHI | May 5, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"The law in Arizona prohibits racial profiling. "

What a joke. It prohibits racial profiling but requires police officers to ask for proof of immigration status based entirely on appearance.

And this ad relates to the AZ law because of the larger push by conservatives to stoke the irrational fears of white people toward minorities.

Posted by: SDJeff | May 5, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

That's a long bloody time to be holding my breath.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Very good piece on the BP marketing strategy I talked about several days ago... http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/05/03/back_to_petroleum

And as I said at that time, their new branding direction - Beyond Pollution - seems to be catching fire.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

So much for the Cyber Nanny doling out asterisks. I posted a test before including a well known four letter noun describing good ol' #2 and it never appeared. Nanny has gotten mean! Where is this more permissive level of saltiness we were promised? Most of us here are adults. I think we could probably manage to behave like adults.

The big question regarding the teabaggers is, if their candidates don't prevail in the primaries, will they be so disenchanted with the process that they stay home come November? They sure ain't gonna' vote for Democratic candidates. The only negative impact the GOP faces from the 'baggers is if they pout and don't vote in the general election.

Back to the new digs, I have had an involuntary name change and am now Gasman1. I don't want to be Gasman1.

So far, I'm unimpressed.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 5, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

don't worry, you'll always be Gasman to us!

Posted by: SDJeff | May 5, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Greg's fans might be interested - if they haven't already seen it - in Politico's write-up:

"The once-cautious Washington Post has begun to invest heavily in the liberal blogosphere, transforming its online presence – through a combination of accident and design – into a competitor of the Huffington Post and TalkingPointsMemo as much as the New York Times."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36789.html#ixzz0n4Uo4jgq

Posted by: sbj3 | May 5, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Josh at TPM points to a really excellent Ha'aretz piece. Here's the last graph...

"It’s a pity. Once, not so long ago, our community was a fierce voice for justice in America’s ongoing public dialogue. Lately we’ve let ourselves be reduced to a vaudeville slapstick character, the guy who walks on stage, delivers a gag line and then gives or gets a smack in the face as the crowd laughs. It’s the new Punch and Judaism show."
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/the-vaudeville-routine-that-has-taken-over-american-jewry-1.287611

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Just another right wing whacko whose campaign run will be relegated to the trash heap of history.

Posted by: bonncaruso | May 5, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Jeeze Greg, I've been sitting around in heels and lipstick since last night waiting for the grand opening, JK. BTW, my first test post of a few of the banned words didn't get asterisked out, just got booted period. What's up with that?


Posted by: lmsinca | May 5, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

We want dirty!

@sbj - "The once cautious Washington Post"? When was that? I suppose by "cautious" our friend at Politico means something like "over 50" or "from among those who are invited to the best parties" or "neoconservative" or "former Bush administration flack".

Somebody smart at the paper has, it seems, decided to seek an aid for sclerosis. And the paper had damn well better.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm. I like the new place. I think.

Congratulations, Greg. You're on the front page of the Post. . .Just remember, when you get more famous, us little people who have followed you since spring 2006. . .:)

Posted by: CTVoter | May 5, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo1, is that you Sue? Just checking to see who everyone is. I see sbj is using his #3 personality, haaahaaa.

Anyway, the ad above is becoming par for the course, which is rather disturbing. I hope we're not going to become somewhat immune to this stuff in the short term of the election cycle.

Thanks Greg for pointing it out, otherwise I would have never seen it.

Posted by: lmsinca | May 5, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the frail, old white man which you called middle aged, would be a person that would be a terrorist. I would be more concerned with a middle aged person who looks like a body builder like the gentleman who portrays the terrorist, if I were a security person at the airport. I see this ad pointing out that a 70 year old man is not a threat to break into the cabin of an aircraft but the other person conceivably could.

Posted by: kenccrawford | May 5, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

But here's my very favorite story of the day. Family Research Council co-founder (with Dobson), George Alan Rekers, gets busted holidaying with a buff and pretty Rent Boy
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-05-06/news/christian-right-leader-george-rekers-takes-vacation-with-rent-boy/1

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

We are assuming that html will soon be in place?

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, my comment got eated, entirely. What's up with that?


Posted by: CTVoter | May 5, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

stupid is as stupid does

is there any wonder the teabagger terrorist crowd is correctly labeled racist ???

Posted by: nada85484 | May 5, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Hi Imsinca and all!

Yes, this is sue from the former location, now reinvented as suekzoo1.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 5, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

As others have noted this morning, the guy who initially spotted the smoking SUV and alerted another street vendor was himself a Muslim
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/05/senagalese-muslim-vendor/

Posted by: bernielatham | May 5, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The old guy with the white hair in the commercial looks pretty scary to me - bitter about losing his pension, probably - I think he's who we should be concerned about.

What if terrorists looked like . . . ummm. . . I don't know - Timothy McVeigh? People who advocate profiling aren't interested in security - the outcome of profiling is always tunnel vision that lets threats through that don't meet the preconceived idea of what the threat will look like. Its just racism, pure and simple.

Posted by: mycroft42 | May 5, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

All, check this out, Joe Lieberman's effort to empower State to take away citizenship from those involved with terror groups explained:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/how_liebermans_citizen-strippi.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | May 5, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The guy in the middle looks like the real terrorist here.

Posted by: apn3206 | May 5, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

No only does Republican honcho George Rekers take male prostitutes with him on his junkets abroad; not only is he the co-founder of Dobson's Focus on the Family; he is also the poster boy for incredibly obnoxious, hateful and clueless "cure homosexuality with christianity" movement.

I'm sure we'll hear more about this GOP family values guy; like so many of them, he's gay as a three-dollar bill and a lying sack of sht to boot.

Posted by: Casey1 | May 5, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Let's say that middle-aged, middle-class, white males are the most likely to cheat on their taxes. Extending the reasoning in the vid, shouldn't the IRS audit that demographic more frequently? And if you were of that demographic, you'd want to be audited, right? You betcha!

Posted by: terry14 | May 5, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Apparently this clown has forgotten about Oklahoma City, the IRS plane attack, the "militias", etc. What a fear-mongering idiot.

Posted by: jckdoors | May 5, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Test, test.

I think he just a thing for "good-looking, ripped guys without much hair".

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | May 5, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The guy in the middle is the dangerous one. Stupidity is the main threat to our national security.

Posted by: juanginobilli | May 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Uh...no.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | May 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious why MyCroft42 is prejudiced against old people. Your remarks where hurtful. You bring up people like Timothy McVeigh, which I believe need to be looked at more closely than the older guy. Ethnicity is not the problem(and by the way, Middle Easterners are the same race as people of European decent, Caucasian), a middle aged or young person should be more closely monitored than Grandma.

Posted by: kenccrawford | May 5, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The growing injustice that has emerged in post 9-11 policies including racial profiling and arrests of immigrants and even citizens, detention in inhumane conditions and deportation without a fair trial do not add up to the values we believe in. And when we deny fairness and due process to any one group of people, we put all of our freedoms at risk. www.restorefairness.org

Posted by: RestoreFairness | May 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

This proposed law could be very useful. We could declare Liberal Washington Post columnists to be terrorists because they are aiding and abetting the enemy. Then we could strip them of their citizenship and deport them to Taliban land.

Posted by: fgoepfert1 | May 5, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Muslim terrorists have either the features of someone from the middle East or they have the features of a black person who was recruited in prison. Is that too difficult for the La-La Land Liberals to understand? Perhaps we should only suspect red-headed Irishmen, so that it can all be PC.

Posted by: fgoepfert1 | May 5, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It simply amazes me how Fanelli and the local trolls claim that, "why no, I'm not a bigot" even as they are actively promoting bigotry.

Timothy McVeigh was a Baptist, a veteran, and a white guy, should we profile all Baptists, veterans and white guys?

The guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin was an angry middle aged white guy - hmm, again with the white guys - should we profile all of them, too? That would effectively put all male teabaggers on the Do Not Fly list.

Profiling can be used to target any group that you want to single out. It is pointless and ripe for abuse. Profiling is an exercise in overt racial, ethnic, and religious bigotry and is ultimately a waste of time.

Profiling reminds me of the questions which used to appear on residency applications such as, “Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?” No kidding. I wonder how many KGB operatives had their plans foiled by such questions. Profiling is likely to be just as effective at preventing anything.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 5, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The KKK, Tim McVeigh, Ted Kacinski, Eric Alan Rudolph, Joseph Stack, Scott Roeder, Jim Adkisson, etc., all look more like the guy on the left, and the candidate.

Posted by: allanbrauer | May 5, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party becomes more and more sinister and devoid of anything representing American values with each passing day. And who among them has the courage and patriotism to stand up and say they are wrong, wrong, wrong?

The only people embracing their racist anti-Constitutional positions are the no nothings or the people who actually do not care about our country. Reagan is rolling over in his grave!

Posted by: utahmink | May 5, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to the Republican Party and the values it once had? It has become a party of no-nothings or people who know and do not care about the Constitution or the American values which most Americans share.

They have become a sinister, racist anti-Constitution party. Instead of raising the bar higher, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to their leaders and candidates.

What an injustice to the past (real) American leaders of the GOP. Ronald Reagan would be appauled to see where his party has gone.

Posted by: utahmink | May 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What has happened to the Republican Party and the values it once had? It has become a party of no-nothings or people who know and do not care about the Constitution or the American values which most Americans share.

They have become a sinister, racist anti-Constitution party. Instead of raising the bar higher, they are scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to their leaders and candidates.

What an injustice to the past (real) American leaders of the GOP. Ronald Reagan would be appauled to see where his party has gone.

Posted by: utahmink | May 5, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The republicans: a true reincarnation of the Nazi Party. Round 'em up, lock 'em up, and dispose of anyone not white and "Christian" like us. Yeah, especially, "Christian" - you know those folks who go to church on Sunday then spend the rest of the week spewing hate, intolerance, rejection of the poor and practicing as much bigotry as they can.

Posted by: Pearl77 | May 5, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Actually, there have been terrorists in the US quite recently who look like all three of those gentlemen in the film. Unless of course you think murdering abortion doctors, shooting Pentagon or Smithsonian guards, or flying an airplane into an IRS building doesn't count. Racial profiling is wrong morally, and wrong as a strategy as well.

Posted by: SageThrasher | May 5, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

If you listen to the video, he says: "It's time to stop this political correctness AND the invasion of our privacy," not IN. In other words, he's saying that any one who looks Middle Eastern should be examined more closely, while those who don't should just be allowed to board a plane.

Posted by: hillkeith | May 5, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It is really not relevant whether all you enlightened liberals like or dislike this ad.

What matters is whether Republican voters in Florida like it.

Every poll I've seen indicates that the vast majority of Americans not only see nothing wrong with "racial profiling" Arab-looking young men when it comes to fighting terrorism, but they welcome it as a common-sense tactic.

Posted by: pmendez | May 5, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

At least e didn't leave any room for debate unlike some who use code words - he used pictures and is so proud - WOW.

Posted by: rlj1 | May 5, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Amen to this political correct bull. Certain people most commit certain crimes. White collar crime is mostly committed by middle class white mails. Killing in the streets, mostly by young, black mails. Illegal criminal aliens crossing the border is committed by mostly hispanics. Terrorists, mostly middle east muslins.

Posted by: orbarb | May 5, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

orbarb,
And imbecilic posts like yours are usually posted by morons.

George Bush and Dick Cheney are guilty of war crimes resulting in the deaths of tens, possibly even hundreds of thousands. Hmm, Bush, Cheney, Stalin, Hitler, were all angry old white guys who committed war crimes. Shall we profile angry old white guys because war criminals seem to fit that profile more often than any other?

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 5, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

pmendez,
There was also a time in this country when slavery was legal and would have polled extremely high, yet that never made it right. Plus, I am skeptical of any polls to which you refer. I'd bet that if the questions were worded in a way which reflected it's encroachment on civil liberties that the Arizona law would receive far lower poll numbers in Florida and elsewhere.

Go on down to Arizona and after you've been stopped and asked for your papers a few dozen times, maybe you'll rethink your notion of what it means to be an American. I shouldn't have to prove I'm innocent just because a few bigots are paranoid and upset. Plus there's that whole pesky Constitution thing that defines due process and makes that kind of "show me your papers" stuff illegal.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 5, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Do you folks know why El Al Airlines' flights are not hijacked? Because the Israelis are smart, they profile very closely with race being only one of six or seven items checked. Not to use race is idiocy. Try to stop Hispanics from crossing our border illegally by the hundreds of thousands a year and check carefully white women, children, etc., like the stupid Homeland Security agency does. You just waste time and accomplish nothing. If we are not careful, we may "politically correct" ourselves out of existence.

Posted by: RonKH | May 5, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

PC is nonsense, complete nonsense. It's like trying to rewrite human nature. Self-preservation is the first law of nature. Top down command governments are trying to legislate human nature and they will always fail. Life is full of choices and frequently it is better to err on the side of safety. Try traveling in Muslim countries. You're simply barred from most places and activities. Having grown up during WWII (which we won, by the way) and served in Vietnam, identification of the enemy is the first rule. All the rest is make-believe. It will never succeed. You don't legislate life rules no mater how hard you try. Face it!

Posted by: RAPProds | May 5, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to tell the Taliban from the GOP these days. They Both HATE America, and are trying to DESTROY it.

At least Congressman Grayson will have an easy election this year.

Posted by: austininc4 | May 5, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't the last person to fly a plane into a building a skinny middle aged white guy who flew a plane into the IRS building in Austin, TX?

Posted by: joebenya | May 5, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Dude on the left looks like Bruce Ivins.

Posted by: mush2 | May 5, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: austininc4 | May 5, 2010 5:24 PM: It's hard to tell the Taliban from the GOP these days. They Both HATE America, and are trying to DESTROY it.

At least Congressman Grayson will have an easy election this year.
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The ones (especially the One) who hate America are those calling for its "radical transformation." You DO NOT need to radically change that which you love and treasure.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | May 5, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Of course, if we are serious about deterring terrorism, we need to profile...by ethnicity, nationality, religion and whatever else might give one a clue. It's a simple matter of probability, where one can most profitably invest their time and energy to deter attacks.

Moslem young men are a far higher risk even though there are far fewer of them in this country than there are middle-aged white men. Does this mean that the next event can't be perpetrated by even a 90 year old grandmother? Of course not. But what are the probabilities that warrant the investment of precious time and effort?

Is this discrimination? You bet it is. There was a time when to call one a "discriminating individual" was a compliment. It's high time we got back to the denotation before the term got perverted. I would hope to be a "discriminating person" in all I say and do: someone capable of thinking and discerning the truth.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | May 5, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

RAPProds,
You stated, "identification of the enemy is the first rule."

Just who are these "enemies" you speak? Are all Muslims our enemies? Are all Latinos our enemies? You would have us treat them all as if they were. The only people you want to hassle are those you think "look" like our enemies. This is unAmerican and is beneath our national sense of honor. You have no dignity or sense of justice.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 5, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Actually, there have been terrorists in the US quite recently who look like all three of those gentlemen in the film. Unless of course you think murdering abortion doctors, shooting Pentagon or Smithsonian guards, or flying an airplane into an IRS building doesn't count. Racial profiling is wrong morally, and wrong as a strategy as well.

Posted by: SageThrasher | May 5, 2010
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And none of these were organized conspiracies sending wave after wave of operatives to do terrorist acts indiscriminately against a BROAD SPECTRUM of Americans.

The current administration is unwilling to admit it but radical Islam is at war with this country and possibly the entire Western world. Had Obama spent some time in Harlem schoolyards instead of wasting time as the token black boy at the Punahoohoo School for the grossly overprivileged, he might understand that just because you don't want to fight imposes no obligation on the part of your nemesis to cease and desist.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | May 5, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

RAPProds,
You stated, "identification of the enemy is the first rule."

Just who are these "enemies" you speak? Are all Muslims our enemies? Are all Latinos our enemies? You would have us treat them all as if they were. The only people you want to hassle are those you think "look" like our enemies. This is unAmerican and is beneath our national sense of honor. You have no dignity or sense of justice.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 5, 2010 7:36 PM
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He didn't say "ALL" of anything or even specify who the enemy is...the remark is entirely strategic...that one must identify (profile) no matter who the "enemy" might be at a given time and under a given set of circumstances.

Setting up straw men by misquoting others shows a lack of both logic and honor. You owe him an apology. Of course, none will be forthcoming...it's that lack of honor thing.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | May 5, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Once again you've joined the forces of complaints and protests - never once do you offer positive solutions. America has their hands full of people just like you, who love to steal the lime light and yet have nothing to offer.

If you have a legitimate complain, which I doubt, then bring a solution to the table; we have thousands of professional protestors who like you get paid for inciting Americans.

Many, many Latinos are my best friends and they're horrified that no one except Arizona's Governor have come to their rescue. Do you really think they want to continue seeing their people (men, women and children) killed or maimed.

You just don't get it, do you?

Posted by: tboca | May 5, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

No surprise here, Republicans have been waging war against the US Constitution for decades.

Don't worry folks, just turn over the reigns of power to the Republicans and they will take care of you and keep you safe. You can trust them, they'll only violate the rights of others, not you and your kind. All those other types aren't real Americans anyway, right? They don't really deserve, they're not really worthy of, those Constitutional rights. Just vote the Republicans in and they will sift through society and weed out those suspicious, un-American-looking folks.

Scary stuff from the GOP.

Posted by: wireknob | May 5, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

-- Fanelli, who said he had piloted a flight bound for Washington on Sept. 11, when the city was attacked, added that Middle Easterners should want profiling for their own safety. --
The Mid East? I believe that such includes Pennsylvania and those tactinurn, sneaky Amish, non-English speakers, what with their straw hats, long beards, horse-drawn plows and stuff. If so, Fanelli, count me in. I'd don't want to fly with anybody who might try to churn butter mid-air.


Posted by: Ogguls | May 5, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok, cinncinatirick.
There's a big missing child problem in Alan Grayson's state. Perhaps we should profile all middle aged white men and young white girls with kids in tow. Yeah. That's it. Let's stop 'em all and check the birth certificates to make sure the kids (if they have kids with them) are theirs. Don't have your papers? Sorry. The kid goes to child services and you go to jail until you can prove you're innocent. The Susan Smith type get extra scrutiny if they don't have their kids with them. Want more?
Let's turn down the volume on the ad and ask which guy you trust to manage your 401k. When are you geniuses gonna realize that when you look for one thing, those who mean you harm will use the other to fool you? Join the 21st century.

Posted by: ajstick | May 5, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

tboca,
I'm afraid that it is you who just don't get it. I live in New Mexico, right next door to Arizona. We share the EXACT same immigration issues as AZ, yet our citizens are overwhelmingly opposed to the new law.

The Anglo/Latino communities in AZ are much less integrated than here in NM. This is born out by language statistics - NM is far more bilingual - and the fact that AZ's government is more Anglo and GOP, while NM is more Latino and Democratic. You poll the Latinos in Arizona and ask them how many feel that Jan Brewer has "rescued" them. How much do you want to be that at least 90% say "no" or rather, "¡De ninguna manera, José!"

This is angry old paranoid white people trying to intimidate the brown folks. They just won't cop to their bigotry.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 6, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Ok, cinncinatirick.
There's a big missing child problem in Alan Grayson's state. Perhaps we should profile all middle aged white men and young white girls with kids in tow. Yeah. That's it. Let's stop 'em all and check the birth certificates to make sure the kids (if they have kids with them) are theirs. Don't have your papers? Sorry. The kid goes to child services and you go to jail until you can prove you're innocent. The Susan Smith type get extra scrutiny if they don't have their kids with them. Want more?
Let's turn down the volume on the ad and ask which guy you trust to manage your 401k. When are you geniuses gonna realize that when you look for one thing, those who mean you harm will use the other to fool you? Join the 21st century.
Posted by: ajstick
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If and when there appears to be an organized conspiracy to commit crimes against the United States and a broad spectrum of its citizens by ANY identifiable group with a preponderance of a certain demographic typology, I would favor profiling for that group. And I would say that any law-enforcement entity that did not identify the source and profile for it would be derelict in its duty.

It always comes down to a cost/benefit analysis in your utilization of limited law-enforcement time and energy. If you can refine your identification of a threat to the point where profiling becomes a viable tool, you would use it. Otherwise, it would be wasteful of your resources. Now the terrorists may eventually and/or occasionally recruit someone off-type. But, as things stand now, young Moslem males are a damn good profile. Will this inconvenience the majority of such individuals who are innocent? Yes, it will. But better safe than sorry. And please let's not be trying to equate brief detention and questioning with a one-way trip to Dachau!

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | May 6, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

You talk about the Arizona Law. Have you read the law? There is no profiling in it. You are only ask for your ID if you are stopped for breaking the law.

Everybody wants immigration reform. Why do we need it we have laws already. We just need to start enforcing them. When you are an illegal alien, you are called that because you broke the law and came over here illegally. We allow anyone to submit papers to come here legally. Why should anyone coming over the Mexican border be any different?

Posted by: getpaid2surf | May 7, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Arizona law will not come to all america period .Evil cannot exist unless good men do nothing so say nazi germans...As a aside, And for all those who think mexicans are taking our food stamps, welfare etc. You have to have a social security number to partake of these services which they do not have..They do have 14 hour days ,less than min wage from uncaring employes just to eat, no contact with families..Mexicans govt cares nothing for its citizens, but our govt delibertly took our jobs and money overseas even after seeing the damage it created. Our govts are very much alike.....

Posted by: bayside1022 | May 7, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

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