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* It's never easy to pinpoint exactly when such moments occur, but it's clear there's been a palpable shift in the tone of the media coverage of Obama's handling of the Gulf spill, with big news orgs slowly shifting their news operations into a more aggressive mode.

Both The New York Times and The Washington Post devote big takeouts today focused squarely on the question of whether the administration could be doing more.

* The Post story notes in its second graf that the administration is facing "growing questions" about whether it has ceded too much control to BP, and says the dilemma is only going to get worse:

With the realization that images of spoiled beaches and oil-covered animals are likely to become much worse in the coming weeks, the administration is torn between a political imperative -- that it take a hard line with the oil giant -- and a practical one -- that it has no choice but to rely on the company to stop the flow.

* The Times, meanwhile, quotes oil industry experts scoffing at administration threats to get tough with BP and delicately notes that officials are in an "impotent rage."

* And ABC's World News Tonight airs a segment laced with skepticism about the threats to BP, too.

* Good read: Michael Scherer on how the Gulf spill has refused to follow the White House's crisis script.

* Also in that link: Dan Froomin flirts with the "Obama's Katrina" analogy.

* Bob Herbert calls on Obama to show some outrage.

* Kate Sheppard says Obama has been "wasting" this crisis.

* And Dems are stepping up the criticism, with Senator Bill Nelson calls on Obama to "take charge.".

* The White House, gay groups and Dem leaders reach a deal on repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, pending completion of a Pentagon study, though it's unclear whether it will pass Congress.

* Also in the above link, GOP Rep. Mike Pence sounds the Repubican battle cry: "The American people don't want the American military to be used to advance a liberal political agenda."

* Reality check from Gallup: "A large majority of Americans (70%) continue to favor allowing openly gay men and women to serve in the military, with continued majority support from every key demographic subgroup."

* But...John Aravosis parses the legislative compromise: "There is nothing in the legislation that says the repeal must happen."

* The U.S. is expanding clandestine military operations in the Mideast, and Marcy Wheeler asks: Will Congress get pissed about it?

I'd say the usual diehards will make some noise but that most Dems will go quietly.

* Joe Sestak's claim of a White House job offer becomes an issue in the Senate race, with Pat Toomey demanding Sestak come clean.

Key question: How long before Sestak's charge, which was initially meant to prove he was heroically bucking the Dem establishment, becomes a serious liability?

* And Dems catch another break as the Connecticut GOP, mystifyingly, does all it can to ensure that Richard Blumenthal never face a real live Vietam veteran this fall.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  |  May 25, 2010; 8:13 AM ET
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Good GOM oil crisis links for those who want to stay on the situation hour-by-hour:

theoildrum.com

monkeyfister.blogspot.com

http://www.doomers.us/forum2/index.php/topic,68178.0.html

Posted by: Papagnello | May 25, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Frum reviews the Chafets' hagiography of Limbaugh... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/24/AR2010052403339.html?hpid=features1&hpv=national

It's quite a lifestyle the fellow leads. His digs, for example, are far closer to those of Saddam Hussein than to any of his dittoheads.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 25, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Greg, please keep on top of the DADT story, I think that if Obama could nail this final nail into the lid of the eleventy-first Congress Nancy Pelosi, Obama, and the Democrats will have accomplished a generational seachange.

Even if, in an absolute worst case scenario that I don't see happening, they were to lose a house in November there could be no one to say that Obama didn't act under the "fierce urgency of now" that he so often talked about in 2008.

Heck, even progressives might finally admit that he is on their side...

Posted by: PaulW99 | May 25, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The traditional media needs a reality check in the sense that the US Government simply does not have the experience or equipment to deal with the oil spill. The only way to fix it is to have BP fix it. While I firmly think the Obama admin. could be doing more, the claim Obama should just go "take charge" is nothing but empty and ignorant rhetoric.

Also, speaking on the threats to BP being "impotant rage", how smart would it be to start issuing retribution to BP while still in the middle of the crisis? We need their help right now, so maybe jumping up and down on them isn't the most prudent thing to do at the moment.

I'll be angry, and I'll complain about impotant rage, when the leak is sealed and the cleanup is underway...if at that point the Government doesn't start cracking down. But until then, it seems pretty stupid to throw rocks at the people that we have to depend on to clean up this mess.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | May 25, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

This is from last Friday, but it clarifies the sorry state of our reliance on private entities to clean up their own messes. BTW, I made the Apollo 13 comparison about 3 weeks ago, they're just now realizing how serious this is, or at least admitting how serious it is.

Thanks Greg for spending some time on the gusher today. They're going to try to plug the leak tomorrow with mud and cement forced into the hole under very high pressure. It's never been tried at this depth before and there's lots of scientific speculation about whether it will make the situation worse or not.

"If BP is lashed to the government, the tether goes both ways. A large part of what the government knows about the oil spill comes from BP."

"The oil company helps staff the command center in Robert, La., which publishes daily reports on efforts to contain, disperse and skim oil."

"Some of the information flowing into the command center comes from undersea robots run by BP or ships ultimately being paid by BP. When the center reported Friday that nearly 9 million gallons of an oil-water mixture had been skimmed from the ocean surface, those statistics came from barges and other vessels funded by BP."

"Allen, the incident commander, said the main problem for federal responders is the unique nature of the spill – 5,000 feet below the surface with no human access."

"This is really closer to Apollo 13 than Exxon Valdez," he said, referring to a near-disastrous Moon mission 40 years ago."

"Access to this well-site is through technology that is owned in the private sector," Allen said, referring to remotely operated vehicles and sensors owned by BP."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/22/month-after-oil-spill-why_n_585908.html

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

You're right, Greg. The tone has changed. I'm afraid that was inevitable given the catastrophe that we're witnessing. Everyone feels impotent from the BP engineers through the civil engineering community through political leaders and all of us.

It is misdirected anger where it points to this administration other than as regards some notions of how messaging might have been done differently but that's a shallow and fundamentally irrelevant criticism.

One really may as well be making the argument that the government ought to have stepped in and run operations during the Apollo 13 mission.

There's a real danger here that the "government is bad/ineffective/source of problems" meme will be pushed, purposefully or as knee-jerk response built from frustration, when that is precisely backwards.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 25, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

As I understand it, BP has a market cap of about $235 billion. The Gulf Oil disaster could make it attractive to BP to declare bankruptcy. The U.S. should file a lawsuit now and attach BP's assets. If American taxpayers get stuck paying the tab for this disaster even I will turn on Obama.

This is so so sad. We are destroying our planet. We are destroying our Gulf and the State of Louisiana. We are selfish and greedy and lazy and stupid. I am embarrassed to be an American. I am embarrassed to be a human being.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday, a couple from Houston came into my store and we talked a bit about this catastrophe. These were business people with very stolid and serious right-wing notions. Both apparently work for a company which provides furniture to BP, a multi-million per year arrangement. They said that everyone at BP offices in Houston are working around the clock as a consequence of this event. I see no reason to assume they were inaccurate in what they said.

Obviously for those of you who know my views, none of the above counts as defense or justification for what BP has wrought. I despise this entity and other like it and the people/ideas who have helped create such entities. But it is in no one's interests for this to continue. But until now and for some unknown period (with unknown consequences) the problem has been beyond everyone's abilities to solve.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 25, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

theoildrum just put up a post re the "top kill" they are trying tomorrow. I linked to this site yesterday and papagnello linked it above. In the post is an animation of the method. There will be lots of scientific commentary on it throughout the day I imagine. Let's hope it works. Obviously, our best scientists and engineers, both public and private, are working on the problem. Solving problems like this illustrates just how important funding of scientific and engineering research is. Maybe that will be the consequence of the gusher as much as anything else, investment in our future.

http://www.theoildrum.com/

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Mike Tomasky on the spill...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky

Posted by: bernielatham | May 25, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree that the Gulf oil spill is simply NOT something that is within the purview of the government's experience, or even within that of BP's. This is a disaster that is only going to be fixed messily, and will leave no one satisfied at the end... least of all the residents of the Gulf.

However, I found the following Economist article to be wonderfully enlightening on what is ACTUALLY BEING DONE by BP (there is a real lack of reporting on the web on this, most simply want a magic wand waved or some other "action" taken). Please, if you're interested in this issue, give this a read:

http://www.economist.com/science-technology/displaystory.cfm?story_id=16160853&source=features_box3

Posted by: PaulW99 | May 25, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Paul, your link doesn't work.

Greg, any progress on installing live links?

Thanks.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

"Bob Herbert calls on Obama to show some outrage."

What a classic tin-eared leftist response.

After more than a year of scolding and demonization of industry and political enemies by Obama, more expression of "outrage" likely is not likely to appeal outrage-fatigued public.

Competent and sensible leadership might.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Drudge is carrying a similar item..."Flash. Networks Begin To Turn on Obama".

We're going to see this build as of today. Certain narratives and stories will be pushed into the media. Talking points will be flying through the ether. "Experts" will be made available. Hardship stories will be tied to government ineffectiveness.

I'm seriously pissed and I'm going to call it a day.

Posted by: bernielatham | May 25, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

"Competent and sensible leadership might."

What do you suggest?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"I despise this entity and other like it and the people/ideas who have helped create such entities."

???

Serious question -- you mean what, corporations? Multinationals?

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

This "take charge" meme that the media is fond of is like the "both sides are doing it" meme. It's something to demand when you don't know the technical details and refuse to dig into the complexities of the problem. This is either why Bush got a free pass on so much stuff or a result of the way the Bush WH groomed the press to behave this way. Either way, the result is a reflexive desire for "leadership" that is forceful even if it's entirely empty of content or effectiveness.

The stubborn rugged cowboy approach, where the President looks effective because he acts effective, is all that will please the news cycle.

It's pathetic.

Posted by: BGinCHI | May 25, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

"What do you suggest?"

I have no relevant expertise. I would suggest something other than "impotent rage" or expressions of outrage.

Obama is, we were and are told, the most brilliant and capable President in memory, and has surrounded himself and populated the government with the most capable and accomplished people. He is supposed to be the finest leader in memory.

Now is his time to fulfill the expectations he encouraged. Expressing outrage will not do that.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca:

We all hope the "top kill" will work but from what I've read it seems a long shot. More likely, the leak won't be stopped until the relief wells are finished in August. That SHOULD fix the leak (if not, goodbye GOM). If the "top kill" works great; if not, however, Obama should go on national television and explain to the American people what has happened so far, what is likely to happen, and what the Administration and BP are doing. Unless BP gets this plugged tomorrow, I think Obama is going to own this disaster whether he should or not. People are angry and getting angrier. I had hoped that Obama had learned that when the American people get angry they WILL blame SOMEONE. Part of the President's job, I think, is to direct that anger in beneficial directions.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

It's sad really. We were out of town for a couple of days and when we came back and turned on the news you could feel the shift in how the gulf spill was being reported. The media finally caught on that this was a big deal. And then you saw the importent rage starting from the media and Congress. Apparently the solution to this crisis is for the President to "take charge" and sternly berate BP and the oil spill. Then it will magically disappear.

Nobody wants to acknowledge that we have allowed our hunt for oil overcome our technology. We can drill a mile deep, we jsut can't do anything if something goes wrong a mile deep. The president "taking charge" and yelling at someone isn't going to change any of our basic engineering technologies.

Can we direct some of this impotenet rage at the drill baby, drill drill here, drill now crowd too. Everyone should get to share in this. There is no magic wand. There is no miracle solution waiting. Everyone of these industry experts and opportunistic politicians needs to take the blame, shut up and get to work trying to find a real solution - the president yelling at an oil spill isn't it.

Posted by: zattarra | May 25, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Bernie, thanks for the Tomasky link. I don't link him enough, as I've said before.

and wbgonne, I promise to let you know today re the live links.

Posted by: sargegreg | May 25, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

QB: It seems apparent that NOBODY IN THE WORLD knows how to fix this. Do you expect Obama to don scuba gear, crawl down into the hole and stuff it up? This impotence really raises a larger question: What in the hell are we doing drilling at these depths if no one knows how to address breakdowns? And why does the U.S. allow deepwater drilling without accompanying relief wells (which Britain and Canada do)? Why is he U.S. permitting BP to use a dispersant that has been banned in Britain? Why doesn't the U.S require the same BOP devices mandated by Brazil, Norway and other countries that do deepwater drilling? Of course, you know the answers to those questions, don't you?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"This is either why Bush got a free pass on so much stuff or a result of the way the Bush WH groomed the press to behave this way."

You have moved beyond delusion to alternate reality dwelling.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

BBQ: "The traditional media needs a reality check in the sense that the US Government simply does not have the experience or equipment to deal with the oil spill. The only way to fix it is to have BP fix it. While I firmly think the Obama admin. could be doing more, the claim Obama should just go "take charge" is nothing but empty and ignorant rhetoric."

Can't tell you how much I agree with this. The only thing I think the administration could be doing better is regular (daily) news conferences to update the facts.

But really, 30 years of deregulation of industry and the dumbing down and underfunding of science research is the reason the spill is not yet controlled. We have some tough lessons to face in the aftermath of this event.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 25, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I read somewhere yesterday that Canadian regulations requires that the relief well be drilled at the same time as the production well. Yeah, it's more expensive to industry, but sure sounds like a good idea since relief wells are apparantly the only real stop gap in case of a blow out.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 25, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks lmsinca and bernie, your commentary is a breath of fresh air in the discussion about what is being done for the Gulf. Texas is going to be spared the worst of the direct consequences, but I know that this is going to have a huge impact on my home state whether or not the efforts being tried this week succeed.

I think everyone is agreed that this is a flat-out catastrophe, and like Apollo 13 having all hands on deck is no substitute for a little luck (and some good ol impromptu engineering) in the face of long odds. My heart goes out to residents of the Gulf.

Posted by: PaulW99 | May 25, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Free markets solve everything.

Posted by: BGinCHI | May 25, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

lms, wbgonne, bernie (esp. Tomasky link today) and others--thanks for keeping me somewhat knowledgable about the horror that's going on off our coast. The Oildrum is a great link and I'm just starting to explore it. Kind of OT question, but it's been intriguing me since I started seeing the images: how in the world are they illuminating the spewing plume a mile underwater??? Is it IR with false color, or extremely strong white lights or what? It looks like daylight, which is very disconcerting (and may be contributing a little to the media's/public's outrage--it looks like it's just a few meters down rather than effectively out of reach).

Posted by: Michigoose | May 25, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

michigoose (kelley), my daughter turned me on to oildrum. The guy to watch over there is rockman, his comments seem to be based on science, although there are others doing a great job as well. I know you're a scientist so I'm sure you'll find it interesting. Looks like we need a bit of luck tomorrow to go along with the experiment. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Free markets solve everything."

Yup. Free markets caused it, let the free markets solve the oil spill.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Command and control solves everything.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Teabaggers: 'Quick Govmint, save us. The free market f'ed up again!'

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

For all the people calling for the Fed to push BP out of the way and take over, what would the Fed do for equipment? The only thing I can think of is to seize the BP stuff. Can't you just hear the hooting and hollering from conservatives that would follow?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | May 25, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

BGinCHI,
No, tax cuts and less government regulation solve everything. If Obama would just give big oil more tax cuts and abolition all regulation of the industry the oil leak will magically stop.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 25, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"Of course, you know the answers to those questions, don't you?"

Of course not. Nor do I know whether they are even worthwhile questions. I think you are just stabbing in the dark, too.

I expect the Obama administration to have answers to those questions. Why don't you? They are all policy questions.

What I see here are mainly a lot of liberals who have always told me that Obama is ubercompetent, brilliant, the only leader to deal with crises, etc., etc., ad nauseum, but who now suddenly find it unfair for anyone to expect him to have answers or lead. The main criticisms I have seen are not that Obama as failed personally to plug the well but of the federal government's lack of response in dealing with the oil that has been released.

Five years ago, Bush was held responsible for not being on the scene within 24 hours personally supervising disaster prevention and relief. It's different when the shoe is on the other foot. Welcome, Mr. Obama, to the grown up world of actually being President, where it isn't enough just to yell at and demean other people.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
"* The Post story notes in its second graf that the administration is facing "growing questions" about whether it has ceded too much control to BP, and says the dilemma is only going to get worse:"

And just what, exactly, do these politico-journalistic geniuses suppose that the Alleged Hawaiian is supposed to do?

Shoot the BP people who are trying to cap the well?

These simpletons haven't the first clue about how the Oil Patch works. If the Feds decided to "take over" the effort, do you know what they would do?

They would contract with the exact same people that BP is contracting right now to do the exact same things.
(And I'll be in Port Fourchon, LA this Tuesday, quite possibly to get me some of that BP money myself, since my ship is one of the few capable of playing with things that are 5,000 feet down on the sea-bed).

This is as bogus a rap against Obama as Katrina was against Bush. What CAN be laid against the O-dministration is how they are dragging their feet delaying the emergency barrier island dredging projects...for the sake of an "environmental impact study"...

Largely this is BP's mess, and as long as the FEDs stay out of it, it will be paid for by BP's customers. Once Uncle Sucker gets involved, though, BP can argue that the bill henceforth belongs to the taxpayers.

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Bilgey, will you report back to us what you can? I agree Obama is not superman in this scenario. I'm sure they've got the best people available working on it and I read yesterday that Jindal is going ahead with at least some of the dredging without permission. Good for him. I do disagree with your assessment of Bush/Katrina however.

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey look who's here, the village idiot finally showed up with his infinite insider wisdom on how to cap an oil well at depths never attempted.

It's guys like Bildge who are responsible for the mess. 'Trust us, we know what we're doing' 'Trust us, there's only 1000 barrels' 'Trust us, there will be no impact to the coast'

Now that joker of a CEO at BP is shamefully running around on TV saying how they were wrong on just about everything. Wrong about how much oil was coming out. Wrong about all their technology to prevent this. Wrong about how to stop this up to this point. Wrong about the environmental impacts.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

QB, the difference is that hurricanes are not only predicted, but have relatively predictable results which in Katrina's case *were* forecast before it even hit. No one knew/knows what the effect of a blowout at 5,000 feet would do, and we're in the midst of finding out. Bush could've figured out ahead of time what would be needed. Obama's figuring it out on the fly and in full view of the world.

Posted by: Michigoose | May 25, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Here we are again folks. I am sick and TIRED of the pathetic media, including liberal talking heads blaming President Obama!!! I usually find Keith Olberman pretty unwatchable but last night he was pathetic. Then the stream of columns and articles this morning. Look, there is ONE fact that you need to know in reporting this story: THE FEDERAL GOVT CANNOT PLUG THE LEAK B/C IT DOESN'T HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY NOR EXPERTISE! PERIOD! So where is this blame coming from? It's like the media is a bunch of 5-year-olds who are told one thing only to continue with their immature behavior, taunting almost. I am SO GLAD the community of commenters here understands that. But everyone else in the media including loonyleft (forget about the pro-drilling Right, they're long gone obviously) can just go F themselves. Had to get that off my chest, thx.

Meanwhile, the MMS office in Lake Charles, LA was running like the one in Colorado (sex, drugs and rock'n'roll) and it turns out that almost immediately upon starting working at DOI, Salazar changed the ethics rules and cleaned up the place. So the Obama Admin HAS been doing a good job from Day 1.

Argh!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

quarterbrain,
As Ted Williams said, "If you don’t think too good, don’t think too much.”

I see that you’ve taken his words to heart.

First, in the case of Katrina, Bush & Co. had about 5 days warning that the hurricane was coming. What did Bush do? We all know the answer to that one. It wasn’t until TV coverage showed bodies floating in the water that Bush was prodded into action. People died because Bush didn’t do what needed to be done in a timely manner. Then what was Bush’s response? “Heckuva job, Brownie!” So far, the only deaths have been the eleven men who died as a result of the rig fire and sinking. You also neglect to mention that the cozy relationship between the Bush administration and big oil had much to do with this disaster in the first place. I’m sure it just slipped your mind.

You have wailed like a toddler that Obama is engaging in a big government socialist takeover of our country and now you complain that he is not doing MORE? Which is it, do you want a laissez faire regulation free industry that gives us more such disasters or do you want big government to step in immediately? You can’t have both.

What would you have Obama do? Maybe you could sue him. Legal super genius that you are, I’m sure that you’ll be able to craft some kind of sock puppet suit that will have the constitutional scholars abuzz for decades.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 25, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

All, it looks like Dems have the votes to repeal DADT:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/murphy_we_have_votes_to_repeal.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | May 25, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Since QB won't answer I will: We have the most unregulated and dangerous oil drilling in the developed world because our previous president, and vice-president, of course, let the oil companies do anything they wanted to do. And if that weren't enough, the party they emanate from -- the GOP -- has been chanting Drill Baby Drill like this is some kind of grade-school game for 2 years now. Stupidity. Selfishness. Greed. That's what the GOP stands for and now we are seeing the consequences of what the Republicans have delivered unto us. Not a joke anymore, is it?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't know the reference for this but one of the comments at oildrum said they are giving the "top kill" tomorrow a 60%-70% chance. That's better than I thought it might be.

And this is BP's mess, not Obama's. Maybe in terms of messaging or updates he could have done a better job, but that's about it IMO. Now that the oil is coming on shore and cleaning out the tourist areas, killing the fishing industry and affecting the wild life, people will get seriously pissed in the Gulf and elsewhere. Now's the time to change our ways.

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca: I think the 60-70% comes from BP. Take it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

QB, where does the money come from for the Federal govt to develop and/or purchase the deep sea technology capable of enabling govt scientists and engineers to plug the hole? Not to mention paying those people's salaries and benefits. Not to mention storage, maintenance, training, trial runs, etc etc etc.

For a conservative to be arguing that the Federal govt SHOULD have that capability is literally diametrically opposed to your own party's supposed "small government" ideology. But NO. Your ideology is LITERALLY the FIRST THING TO GO if (and only if) you can blame a Democrat for something political in nature. It just shows how pathetic and shallow the GOP really is. Ideology? Aw nevermind that, we have an opportunity to point our finger at a Dem. Ludicrous.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

And another thing: How long before the oil seeping deeper into the marshes affects New Orleans? What happens to the New Orleans tourist industry if the city stinks like an oil refinery? Will NOLA have to be evacuated AGAIN?!

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Mayonnaise Mike the White Separatrist from Aryanton, VA babbles:
"Hey look who's here, the village idiot finally showed up with his infinite insider wisdom on how to cap an oil well at depths never attempted."

Hey, doofus, the rig I was part of the team working on activating last summer was in 8,000' of water.

The Perdido Spar had no lost time injuries and no spills.

"It's guys like Bildge who are responsible for the mess."

Yeah, and guys like you who do nothing but whine about everything that you know nothing whatsoever about.

Were you there giving "guys like me" the credit for drilling over 1500 wells in GoM since 2006 WITHOUT having an accident iof this magnitude?

Of COURSE not.

That's because you're a slobbering moonbat, broadcasting your ignorance and impotence to your own shame.

"Now that joker of a CEO at BP is shamefully running around on TV saying how they were wrong on just about everything. Wrong about how much oil was coming out. Wrong about all their technology to prevent this. Wrong about how to stop this up to this point. Wrong about the environmental impacts."

Heh...y'see, my vanilla livestock, that's the difference between business and government.

Government NEVER admits to being wrong.

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I think it was on KO last night that an expert said the thing I've been wondering about: shouldn't all the oil companies be at the table with whatever expertise they have on oil spill technology? It seems they should be part of the all hands on deck strategy. If we're saying BP knows more technological approaches for dealing with this than gov't and independent scientists, shouldn't Shell and the rest of the companies have knowledge and ideas as well? I would think it would be in the interest of all the corporate oil companies to get this thing fixed.

Posted by: AllButCertain | May 25, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Were you there giving "guys like me" the credit for drilling over 1500 wells in GoM since 2006 WITHOUT having an accident iof this magnitude?"

But look at all the times we DIDN'T destroy the Gulf of Mexico. Keep working it, BP BilgeSlave.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

slave moonbatbgone:
"And another thing: How long before the oil seeping deeper into the marshes affects New Orleans? What happens to the New Orleans tourist industry if the city stinks like an oil refinery? Will NOLA have to be evacuated AGAIN?!"

You REALLY need to learn how to read a map, ace.

I ken that reading a nautical chart, and understanding what things like river and ocean currents and tides do, would be a skill far beyond your capacity.

Even among moonbattery, you sound like you belong strapped down and riding the short bus..

As far as the environmental impact this spill will have, New Orleans might as well be Omaha.

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

MoonbatCertain:
"It seems they should be part of the all hands on deck strategy. If we're saying BP knows more technological approaches for dealing with this than gov't and independent scientists, shouldn't Shell and the rest of the companies have knowledge and ideas as well? I would think it would be in the interest of all the corporate oil companies to get this thing fixed"

They are.

That's how the Oil Patch works.

Welcome to the magical world of sub-contracting.

In the offshore Oil Patch, Macy's DOES tell Gimbel's.

Your Keith Olbermann expert is just that...a "KO Expert".

Which means he's an ignorant talking monkey propped up to babble idiocies to keep KO's thralls irritained.

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"As far as the environmental impact this spill will have, New Orleans might as well be Omaha."

First of all, the oil is getting deeper and deeper into the marches every minute. Second, the oil will eventually get into Lake Borne and people are so worried about Lake Pontchartrain which, in case you didn't know borders NOLA. Third, oil stinks and the smell can't be contained in any manner. Fourth, if as expected the oil smothers the marshes, then they will fall apart and turn into open water, meaning that NOLA will have little to no protection from hurricanes coming through the Gulf. Sixth, you are an idiot.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"What happens to the New Orleans tourist industry if the city stinks like an oil refinery?"

I love New Orleans. But the city ALREADY smells like an oil refinery (on its best day). Try imagining the stench of Bourbon Street during Mardi Gras. They practically use light crude just to wash the smell OFF! And Bilge is right, in terms of proximity, the disaster might as well be on another planet. So, yeah, except for the impact on seafood and jobs in oil drilling in the Gulf, New Orleans is safe from this disaster.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Ethan: I think you are mistaken about New Orleans. But I hope you aren't.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"Yeah, and guys like you who do nothing but whine about everything that you know nothing whatsoever about."

Says the guy who works for an industry that after a month still can't stop their disaster and has managed to destroy a coast-line for possibly the next decade because of systemic failures at all levels from their substituting sea water for mud, to their failed blast preventor they were relying on, to sinking the rig when trying to put out the fire, to getting estimates on the spill amount wrong, to being wrong about how much damage the coast would get.

The list goes on and on. It seems the oil companies aren't so smart after all. They might know how to get oil out of the ground but God forbid something goes wrong, then they turn into incompetent arrogant idiots such as yourself.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

New Orleans is a city of survival. The people of New Orleans are survivors. I wasn't worried in the least about the future of the city after Katrina, and I'm still not. That's my take.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Slave wbgonne:
"First of all, the oil is getting deeper and deeper into the marches every minute."

Uh-huh...and how is it getting IN there, genius?

Tides and currents.

Now how do you think it will be washed back OUT?

The same tides and currents. They're bi-directional, y'know. (look the word up, it has nothing to do with Don't Ask Don't Tell).

"Second, the oil will eventually get into Lake Borne and people are so worried about Lake Pontchartrain which, in case you didn't know borders NOLA."

I'm originally FROM New Orleans you booger-eater.

"Third, oil stinks and the smell can't be contained in any manner."

Sounds EXACTLY like your uninformed opinions.

"Fourth, if as expected the oil smothers the marshes, then they will fall apart and turn into open water, meaning that NOLA will have little to no protection from hurricanes coming through the Gulf"

Newsflash, hotshot. The marshes have been dying off for a long, long time.
And it has nothing to do with any oil spill.

The major reasons is that the Mississippi River has been channelized via the levee systems, into NOT flooding that midwestern topsoil every few years into the delta.

And the major death blow has been the Atchafalaya Bypass.

y'see, moonbat, rivers MOVE. And the Mississippi, left to it's own devices, would today no longer empty into the GoM through Pilottown, but rather would empty through the Atchafalaya River channel, somewhere around Morgan City, (and only a moron WANTS to be a tourist in Morgan City LA).

We have prevented this from happening to ensure that New Orleans remains the metropolitan shipping center that it has evolved into.

Look, schmucktard, only a drunken Frenchman would have decided to build a city where New Orleans now stands. And only geneartions of corrupt DemocRat politicians and their moonbat constituents would have insisted on keeping it there.

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Look, schmucktard, only a drunken Frenchman would have decided to build a city where New Orleans now stands"

Except it was first a Spanish city. But you knew that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, Ethan, it looks like BP BilgeSlave has already written New Orleans' epitaph. And I'll tell you: I was there for JazzFest a few weeks ago and standing in line at a bakery I got to talking with someone on the way to work. This guy told me he fears that a lot of people who've gone through Katrina can't take another disaster like that. People in New Orleans are resilient but everyone has a break point. I think you are far too sanguine about New Orleans' prospects. Remember, the oil has just BEGUN to get into the marshes and, once it's in there, it ain't gettin out and it will kill everything it soaks.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

BP BilgeSlave:

You know damn well that the channels have been cut into the wetlands for the Oil Industry. That's what has been killing the marshes and this disaster may well finish the wetlands off altogether. Proud of your industry and yourself?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Mayonnaise Mike from Aryanton:
"The list goes on and on. It seems the oil companies aren't so smart after all. They might know how to get oil out of the ground but God forbid something goes wrong, then they turn into incompetent arrogant idiots such as yourself."

My God, moonbat! Do you EVER tire of announcing your beta-male status to the world at large?

I am VERY competent at what I do, that's why I make very nearly six figures annually, but only work six months a year.

It is my experience in the field that allows me to point out your abysmal ignorance, and you react by sounding like you're jealous and intimidated by the size of my "pipeline".

You got more issues than the New York Times, my little moonbat man-let, y'know?

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"First of all, the oil is getting deeper and deeper into the marches every minute."

Uh-huh...and how is it getting IN there, genius?

Tides and currents.

Now how do you think it will be washed back OUT?

The same tides and currents. They're bi-directional, y'know.

Man you're dumb. I'm almost embarrassed knowing you're from the same country I'm from.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Uh-huh...and how is it getting IN there, genius? Tides and currents. Now how do you think it will be washed back OUT? The same tides and currents."

You know d*man well the tides won't get the oil out of the marshes. And it can't be removed like it can from beaches. Once the oil gets in there, it's in there permanently. Until the marshes die, that is. Drill, Baby, Drill, you freakin' moron.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

WB, that town has been through hell and back more times than any other place over many many years. It will survive this too. Maybe some folks there will move out. I can certainly appreciate that. It's a tough environment economically even during the best of times. But others will take their place and the culture will live on. I'm not the least bit worried. And btw, cheers to JazzFest! It's been a few years for me since I've been, but I love it. I'm a huge fan of New Orleans music and the city in general (despite its drawbacks).

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Ethan:

I've been going to New Orleans for 20 years. I have friends who live there. I am very worried. There is an terrifying amount of oil already in the Gulf and if we have to wait for the relief wells in August, I can't even imagine the consequences. Fingers crossed for tomorrow's procedure.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Mayonnaise Mike from Aryanton:
"Man you're dumb. I'm almost embarrassed knowing you're from the same country I'm from."

I'm not. MY country has more than 10% black people living in it.

And as I've pointed out here before, I'd be more than happy to be quit of the likes of you.

Posted by: Bilgeman | May 25, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The left are trying to hang this on Obama because they want an energy bill. The right is trying to hang it on Obama because it's an election year and they want it to be his downfall.

There are already rumors here in Texas that BP will file bankruptcy. WBgonne has the best advice, the government needs to make certain that doesn't happen.

Other than talking to Americans more about this crisis, I don't think Obama can do a lot more. The administration needs to work with BP on this crisis, not push them away.

Obama needs to have an evening speech and address this crisis with the American people, and start talking about an energy bill. That will stop the Republicans in their tracks.

Posted by: Beeliever | May 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

bildge is a prime example of the arrogance on display right now from the oil industry.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm with ya on that, wb. I am anxiously awaiting tomorrow's procedure. Hopefully we'll know tomorrow night that it's capped. It literally HAS to work. Wish your friends good luck for me. If nothing else, Nawleans, and New Orleanians, knows there's a LOT of people out there pulling for it and not JUST b/c it throws a great party.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Update on drilling permits from First Read:

At a hearing this morning before Senate Enviornmental and Natural Resources committee this morning, an Interior Department official clarified the issue of whether the administration had approved new drilling permits in the past month.

David Hayes, deputy secretary of the Interior, explained that no permits for "initial" drilling had been issued in the past month -- that is, a permit "to put a new hole in the ground."

He said the Department issued a halt any new APD permits (Application for Permit to Drill) and that none have been issued since April 20th, the date of the Deepwater Horizon accident.

However, there is a second kind of drilling permit, called a "bypass permit" that a company may ask for -- often for safety reasons if they have to move or make changes to an ongoing drilling operation. Those kinds of permits -- for ongoing operations -- have been approved in the past month.

Administration officials also testified that, as of yesterday, BP had spent $760 million for the cleanup effort so far and the government had spent more than $72 million so far. The officials said they intended to have BP reimburse taxpayers for the government money spent.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2010/05/25/2328030.aspx

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for that update Ethan.

At least someone is skipping all the erratic reporting and getting some facts as to exactly what is going on.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | May 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Drilling company threatens that more regulation will drive away Gulf oil drilling operations:

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/tidewater_ceo_says_regulations.html

Good riddance!

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

"At least someone is skipping all the erratic reporting and getting some facts as to exactly what is going on."

True dat!!!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

"BP will begin a process to plug a leaking undersea oil well on Wednesday at the earliest, but it could be delayed or even abandoned if tests show it would not work, a company executive said on Tuesday."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2513293220100525?type=marketsNews

God help us.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"God help us."

Wbgonne, let's hope they can do it, but not if it's going to make things worse. Someone said at theoildrum, that they let the well talk to them when they start the process to get a feel for whether it will work or not.

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

From Fractional_Flow over at theoildrum:

"What worries me is the force on the bends. I know a guy that was unscrewing a 2" elbow connection off an 800 psi gas storage well and he didn't bleed it off. It whipped on him and took his arm off at the shoulder in one turn.

They are relying on what looks like a lot of bends/kinks in large diameter pipes. Tons of force and potential for straightening the kinks.

I don't think it will work, I'm really sorry to say. I hate to see political pressure influence their decision. They are delaying for a reason. The reason is probably the progress of that relief well."

Posted by: lmsinca | May 25, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"Live video of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill shows the underwater plume getting significantly darker. A top oil engineering expert says that suggests heavier, more-polluting oil is spewing out.
The color of the oil gushing from the main pipe has changed in color from medium gray to black. Two scientists noticed the change, which oil company BP downplayed as a natural fluctuation that is not likely permanent. But engineering professor Bob Bea at the University of California at Berkeley says the color change may indicate the BP leak has hit a reservoir of more oil and less gas. Gas is less polluting because it evaporates. Bea has spent more than 55 years working and studying oil rigs."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h7vk6ckLa_oc4juaZOYzgg9WlGcAD9FTV8E80

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Michigoose,

You are making meaningless distinctions to defend the infallibility of Obama and denounce any criticism of him. It's really that simple.

Gassy the Clown,

Your Katrina history is utterly phony. Big surprise.

Nor would I expect any more of you in your inability to discern proper functions of the federal government from improper ones.

It's also amusing as always that all you moonbats are caught in the same contradiction of which you accuse the opposition. Your defense of Obama is, in essence, he is letting the free market take care of it. LOL

Ethan,

Great straw man.

Wb,

Your questions were not about what we did 2001-2008 but what we do now.

You are blaming Bush for something that happened well over a year into Obama's watch. Pathetic.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Imsinca: Re: the "top kill" procedure, if this were the solution BP would have tried it weeks ago. That is what makes me pessimistic. Still I hope.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"You are blaming Bush for something that happened well over a year into Obama's watch. "

When did the Deepwater Operation start? Who approved it? Who ran MMS like it was a rumpus room for teenagers? Who met in secret with the oil companies and allowed the oil companies to write their own regulations?

Are you saying Obama should have shut down the Deepwater well? Would the GOP have been OK with that? Should Obama shut down the other deepwater operations? Is this what you are saying? Or are you, as I suspect, saying nothing at all other than that you hate Obama?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

QB, I assume that this is the question I asked earlier that you are now dodging:

"Where does the money come from for the Federal govt to develop and/or purchase the deep sea technology capable of enabling govt scientists and engineers to plug the hole?"

Care to answer it now that you've brought it back to my attention?

Where would we get the money; for the equipment, people's salaries and benefits, storage, maintenance, training, trial runs, etc; to run, operate and manage a sea floor well plugging operation?

Where? That's all I'd like to know.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

No, I'm not answering more of your straw man and red herring questions.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

QB, help me to understand your critique then. You suggested above that "command and control" solves problems. You also suggested that one critique you've seen is that the Federal govt hasn't done enough to contain the oil that has leaked.

So what actions do you suggest would have exhibited a "command and control" environment in regards to either stopping the leak or containing the leaked oil?

On what basis are you forming your critique and what are the solutions that would have allayed your criticism?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

wb,

You ask lots of rhetorical and argumentative questions. If you have a factual case to make that the drilling failure or its aftermath are somehow Bush's fault, go ahead and make it. Otherwise, you should have the decency to stop trying to blame Bush with rhetorical questions.

"Are you saying Obama should have shut down the Deepwater well? Would the GOP have been OK with that? Should Obama shut down the other deepwater operations? Is this what you are saying?"

It isn't relevant whether the GOP would "have been OK with that." Obama is the President and had responsibility to do what needed doing. GOP opposition has never mattered to him anyway.

All we've heard is how the smartest and most competent President ever was elected to save us from the dumbest and most incompetent ever. He was supposed to clean up all the "messes" and save us. His election was supposed to be the day the waters began to recede and the world began to heal. (It's remarkable that I am not making up that rhetoric, isn't it?)

It isn't as though we had not for years heard the drumbeat of the left about evil Big Oil and the Bush-Cheney-Halliburton cabal, as well as the grave dangers of off-shore drilling and impending environmental disasters.

That was all part of what Obama was supposed to have been elected to reverse.

Yet more than a year into his term, this explosion occurred, while his appointees were doing the regulating and are responsible for the federal response, and you are still blaming Bush.

I'm not claiming the explosion is his fault; but it certainly isn't Bush's fault, nor obviously is any failure in the federal response.

It's pathetic to see liberals still running this schtick at this late date.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

"So what actions do you suggest would have exhibited a "command and control" environment in regards to either stopping the leak or containing the leaked oil?"

I didn't. That was merely a retort to someone's snarky comment that the free market solves everything, just to illustrate how disingenuous and useless such throw-away caricatures are.

"On what basis are you forming your critique and what are the solutions that would have allayed your criticism?"

I think I addressed this straightforwardly above. I have no relevant expertise. I know what I can read in the press or see on TV. All I said was that the criticism I have seen have concerned the federal response to the release. Some of it seems valid, but I don't claim to have any critique of my own.

All I see is a lot of liberals eithe seething or faux-outraged that anyone would dare question Obama. The same liberals who were eager to invent a story of Bush's responsibility for Katrina and everything else. It just disgusts me.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

So, if I may boil down a summary of all of your posts to one sentence, it is:

"I hate liberals."

Great, thanks for your reply. It's nice to know that despite being an extreme knee-jerk partisan, at least you have the capability of being honest.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

quarterbrain,
You aren’t even trying to defend your idiotic drivel because you can’t. You toss buckets of manure over the transom and run. Bush and Cheney were whoring for the oil industry for eight years and you expect the consequences of that to disappear the moment Obama is sworn in? Get your stories straight. You spend half of your time today insinuating that Obama is incompetent because he hasn’t personally stopped the leak and now you are saying that he is competent enough to have undone all of the damage of eight years of Bush/Cheney crony capitalism in a little over a year in office?

Which is it? Is Obama eight times more competent than Bush or is he a moron? You make both cases in a single post. You have yet to cite a single fact to buttress your ridiculous contentions. That, however, is typical of your posts: all bluster and never an ounce of logic to back them up.

You are a blowhard fraud who simply likes to pretend that you wage mighty rhetorical battles. You don’t. You are a toddler with an internet connection and a fanciful imagination. You pathetically cling to the ridiculous fantasy that you are a lawyer and not a damn soul believes you. Do you honestly think that anybody views you as anything other than a moron when you do this?

Please enlighten us all with your list of concrete action that you would have President Obama take.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 25, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

That's a terrifically honest and substantive response. It so perfectly captures what I said.

Now I know not to waste any more time even doing you the courtesy of answering your questions.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

QB:

Sorry but it isn't that easy to evade responsibility. You and the GOP have been screeching for years that Government should get off business' back. De-regulation would save us. Well, you finally got your chance with Bush. Wall Street was de-regulated and the world economy nearly collapsed. Off-shore drilling was de-regulated and the Gulf of Mexico is being destroyed. Yes, these are the the fault of Bush, Cheney, the GOP, and people like you who have cheered them on every step of the way.

Obama's fault is that he has tried to be too conciliatory to Big Oil and its cronies in the GOP (some Democrats, too, unfortunately like that corporate wh*re Mary Landrieu). Obama advanced off-shore oil drilling in an effort to reach compromise with the Drill Baby Drill crowd. Waste of time. Obama should shut down all deepwater drilling immediately and keep it suspended until there are viable safety mechanisms in place.

There is NOTHING Obama can do at the moment about the oil leak. You know that. The problems predated the accident and occurred during Bush's Reign of Error. You genuflect at the alter of free enterprise and unbridled capitalism and this is what you get. Live with it.

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Gassy the Clown,

Quite hilarious stuff.

"Bush and Cheney were whoring for the oil industry for eight years and you expect the consequences of that to disappear the moment Obama is sworn in?"

I expect Obamunists not to blame Bush for what happened over a year into Obama's watch. I expect Obamunists to make a factual case that Bush is to blame, and that Obama is not, rather than just making assertions.

But of course I know you will never do that.

"Get your stories straight. You spend half of your time today insinuating that Obama is incompetent because he hasn’t personally stopped the leak and now you are saying that he is competent enough to have undone all of the damage of eight years of Bush/Cheney crony capitalism in a little over a year in office?"

No, I haven't argued either one. You don't comprehend very well.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

QB, my comment was substantive and it was accurate. It was a reply to your comments that you HAVE no critique of your own regarding the oil disaster and that liberals' so-called faux outrage "disgusts you." I was addressing that substance.

I find it remarkable that someone, who really doesn't have an opinion on the subject of the oil disaster and the response to the disaster, would make SUCH AN EFFORT to post many comments here just to prove the point that you dislike liberals. But hey, all that aside, you've done an excellent job at what you set out to do. Very convincing. You clearly dislike liberals and will do or say almost anything to prove it. Well done.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

wb,

You are off the deep end and dealing in pure hyperbole and fantasy.

I'll skip your absurd and fact-free Bush "deregulation" history and just address your backhanded absolution of Obama.

Your little portrait of Obama is of a cynical political coward. Either he genuinely supported off-shore drilling or he didn't. Either way, he is guilty and to blame based on your narrative.

"There is NOTHING Obama can do at the moment about the oil leak. You know that."

No, I don't, and neither do you. People who know more than me or you say the feds have failed in some respects in dealing with the released oil.

Maybe that's true, maybe it's not. Only closed-minded ideologues like you prejudge all the answers to everything. Because you worship at the alter of Obamunism.

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

quarterbrain,
I have been as critical of President Obama as nearly anybody who regularly posts here. But, that would require intellectual honesty for you to admit that and as you possess neither intellect nor honesty, it is unrealistic to expect this from you.

Very clever new little epithet "Obamunists." My bet is that you didn't come up with that on your own. Who told you to parrot that phrase? Limbaugh? Still doing the bidding of the bloated pedophile, are you?

Yet, no itemized list of what you would have Obama actually do. I'm sure that you are busily compiling that. Or maybe you'll just prove that you are a buffoon and simply reflexively criticize President Obama because the shepherds of the teabagger flock tell you that it is time to bleat.

Bah, bah, bah.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 25, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

""""There is NOTHING Obama can do at the moment about the oil leak. You know that."

No, I don't, and neither do you. People who know more than me or you say the feds have failed in some respects in dealing with the released oil.""""

Jeez QB, the least you could do was stay on the same TOPIC furcrissakes!!!

He's talking about "stopping the leak" you said "released oil". Did you make a mistake in your comment or were you being disingenuous (again)?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Ethan and Gassy,

Imagine my hurt at being disrespected by liberals who engage in willful misreading.

Liberals who will be blaming Bush forever, for everything. : (

Posted by: quarterback1 | May 25, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

QB:

"People who know more than me or you say the feds have failed in some respects in dealing with the released oil."

Such as? I haven't heard ANYONE suggest ANYTHING other than what is presently being done.

"Your little portrait of Obama is of a cynical political coward. Either he genuinely supported off-shore drilling or he didn't. Either way, he is guilty and to blame based on your narrative."

Call it what you will. The fact is that Obama was attempting to compromise to get an energy bill. That has NOTHING to do with this disaster, unless you are saying that Obama should have HALTED ONGOING deepwater drilling. If so, I hope you get your wish.

But I note that even now you refuse to take ANY position on what Obama should do or should have done. Is that because you know that everything Obama may (will) do is contrary to the Free Enterprise is God mantra the GOP has been peddling for decades?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

P.S., QB: How much you want to bet that, when the investigation is complete, Dick Cheney's filthy war-criminal hands are all over this catastrophe, too?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Liberals who will be blaming Bush forever, for everything"

That's a good one. You blames the Worst President in History for nothing and exonerate him fully the minute he walks out the White House door. Then you complain that Obama isn't being blamed for Bush wrecking the country.

How about 9/11? Whose watch did that happen on?

Posted by: wbgonne | May 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Imagine my hurt at being disrespected by liberals who engage in willful misreading. "

Aw cmon, you love us, QB, admit it. Why else do you come here all the time? You either like the repartee or you're a masochist.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | May 25, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

quarterbrain,
What would you have Obama do?

Besides wetting yourself over everything President Obama does, you've got nothing to offer. The criticism that I have seen here of Bush/Cheney has been specific and precise.

You CONSTANTLY adopt an imperious as you demand proof, citation, or validation for any opinion which differs from yours, yet you NEVER reciprocate. Could it be because you can't?

I guess "top 5 law school" didn't offer courses in evidence or logic.

Posted by: Gasman1 | May 25, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

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