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11:03 p.m., Quick take on Lincoln's victory: Blanche Lincoln's victory will be widely painted as a crushing loss for the left. Labor poured a huge amount of cash into the race, and there's no quibbling with the fact that this is a disappointing defeat.

But make no mistake: Progressive activists and labor mounted a challenge that was barely months in the making, and rallying behind Bill Halter, came within a hair of unseating a longtime incumbent who had the backing of the entire Dem establishment and the two most recent Dem presidents.

No matter what you read about this, the Halter challenge was a show of force by the left. Period. If you don't belive that, ask yourself why Lincoln suddenly found herself backing a tough-on-derivatives proposal in the Senate, why Obama had to cut radio ads and robocalls to save Lincoln, and why Bill Clinton had to come into the state to instruct voters not to listen to unions in order to save Lincoln's hide.

It remains to be seen who on the left will lift a finger to help Lincoln from here on out. More on this tomorrow, but for now, it's clear that the Dem establishment threw its weight behind a candidate who polls show is less likely to win the general election -- and Dems may have just lost themselves a Senate seat.

UPDATE, 12:00 a.m.: An anonymous (of course) White House official is already urinating on labor for wasting millions on this race, as if the only function of unions is to back exactly who the White House and Dem establishment tell them to support.

11:00 p.m.: Deep thought: Blance Lincoln will get a standing ovation from fellow Dems when she returns to the Senate, just as Joe Lieberman did.

10:58 p.m.: Various news orgs are calling it for Lincoln. More in a sec.

10:42 p.m.: Lincoln back up, 51-49, with 64 percent reporting. Halter backers are genuinely nervous all of a sudden.

10:30 p.m.: And Halter now leads 59-41 in Pulaski county, which the smart money keeps saying is key to watch. (Update: that appears to be wrong: The AP now has Lincoln up there 60-40.)

10:27 p.m.: Whoa -- Halter just took the lead, 51-49, with a bit more than half reporting.

10:23 p.m.: Prediction: Chris Matthews is gonna take a hit for this: He just said it's "good news" that Orly Taitz is likely to win and that she's going to be a "malignancy" on the GOP.

10:12 p.m.: Now 51-49.

9:57 p.m.: It's tightening: Lincoln leads Halter 52-48, with a little more than one-fourth reporting.

9:45 p.m.: If Bill Halter doesn't really count as a genuine challenge from the left to Blanche Lincoln, as we keep hearing, than why did Lincoln respond to that challenge with her sudden tough-on-derivatives proposal?

9:31 p.m.: Markos is nervous:

THIS is genuinely worrisome -- Halter won Ouachita County narrowly three weeks ago, 43-42-15. Right now, with 40% in, Lincoln is winning it 56-44.

Incoming results here.

9:18 p.m.: Rachel Maddow floats what we discussed here earlier: Sharron Angle's apparent opposition to legal alcohol. (She says she doesn't really support a reinstatement of the prohibition.)

Nevada journalist Jon Ralston tells Maddow that Harry Reid would prefer to run against a neo-prohibitionist than against a supporter of chickens-for-checkups. But he still says it's going to be "tough" for Reid to win.

9:08 p.m.: On MSNBC just now: Chuck Todd says the White House has basically left Lincoln to her own devices. "They see the writing on the wall," Todd says. And it's true that while Obama recorded a robocall for Lincoln, there hasn't been much else.

Question: Is this because the White House decided that Lincoln was a lost cause, or because they think the seat itself is beyond saving?

8:46 p.m.: Random question of the night: Why are Blanche Lincoln's travails constantly seen as flowing from generic anti-incumbent sentiment, rather than as the result of a challenge from the left? When Tea Party candidates threaten Republicans it's accurately described as a challenge from the right....

By Greg Sargent  |  June 8, 2010; 8:52 PM ET
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Doh!

Sarah got a boob job!

http://wonkette.com/415838/did-sarah-palin-buy-herself-a-couple-of-luxury-items

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 8, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Good question Greg. Obviously from my perspective it is completely untrue in this case and most progressives would agree. She's no Democrat. I think the usual pundits and beltway journalists would prefer not to give any credence to a true grassroots effort by progressives. We're either DFH or pajama clad bloggers.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Orly Taitz winning out in California will be excellent news!! For the Republicans!!!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 8, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I mentioned in a previous thread about how a MSNBC analyst was "worried" because Obama said in the interview that he doesn't talk to BPs CEO. Well sure enough it's a meme now with Chriis Matthews trying his bedtime to make a big deal about it and media outlets once again quoting Sarah Palins Facebook again.

Mind you the obvious point he made was that it was useless talking to .Hayward because he would just try to spin him. Man I really hate our MSM

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | June 8, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

That's easy, Greg. When a tea party candidate primaries an incumbent, they are doing their patriotic duty to preserve the constitution; when a liberal primaries an incumbent they're just useless commie-hippies needlessly attacking an apple pie loving moderate.

My question is why when a Repub candidate is challenged from the right it is termed as a "conservative" challenge; when it's a Democrat who is challenged from the left it is described as a challenge from "the fringe". Drives me nuts.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 8, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

OK, Greg,

Per your request, I have come upstair. Now; where the hell are the snacks?

Lakers look very helter skelter, and unsettled, early in the game.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

"Sarah got a boob job!"

While I wouldn't be surprised, I can't really decide based on the photos.

Absolutely hilarious comments on the thread, though.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 8, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

She might be the first Grizzly Mama to ever get a boob job. Of course, when John McCain put her on the ticket, he presented the entire nation with a boob job.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Halter 47%
29,545
Lincoln 53%
33,342
6% reporting

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"Random question of the night: Why are Blanche Lincoln's travails constantly seen as flowing from generic anti-incumbent sentiment, rather than as the result of a challenge from the left?"

Because people in DC don't believe anything to the left of a mainstream Democrat really exists. People in DC really, truly, believe that liberals in DC are making it up when they say there's millions of people throughout America who think like they do. The left simply doesn't exist.

On the other hand, they believe the Republican party is moderate compared to "real America." Which is why they think the tea partiers are a movement to be reckoned with--in spite of the fact that there are almost certainly tens of millions more people to the left of the Democrats than to the right of the Republicans.

That's why Lincoln loses because people are mad at incumbents, but Rand Paul wins because people love the tea party. It's inconceivable that enough people could exist who are to the left of Lincoln to vote her out of office.

Posted by: theorajones1 | June 8, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

June 8th, 2010 09:29 PM ET

GOP gubernatorial primary:
Nikki Haley – 143,797 48.7%
Gresham Barrett – 63,494 21.5%
Henry McMaster – 51,490 17.4%
Andre Bauer – 36,462 12.3%

72% of precincts reporting

She needs to break 50% to avoid a runoff. I am hoping for a runoff, to see how much more dirt gets thrown, in a two way Republican runoff.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"Absolutely hilarious comments on the thread, though."

I feel like I'm five but this comment made me laugh.

"Whats the difference between a hockey mom and a pitbull? Sweater puppies."

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 8, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I don't know if there's anything to it but in one of the districts where Halter won they closed 40 or 42 polling places and people have been complaining all day about the lines and parking. I'll try to find the link.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I saw that Maddow segment, too, Greg.

At least Angle had the good sense to just backtrack and say she doesn't support prohibition (even though it took her a while to get there). If Lowden had done that with the chickens, she'd be in much better shape.

And btw, I like that Ralston guy. They need someone like him for MTP.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 8, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

thanks theora. that seems exactly right. and please comment more here, if you'd like.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 8, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Shorter Angle:

Liquor very dangerous.

Guns very safe.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca:

"Go Lakers!!!!!"

Perhaps I can help throw some support your way by announcing that I am a huge Celts fan.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 8, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link to the voting problems in Garland County for whatever it's worth.

"The mess that Garland County Election Commission made has come to full flower. A voting rights activist reports long lines and parking problems at the two — count 'em, two — polling places that the Commission decided to open for runoff voting. It closed 40 other polls to save money despite the fact that every voter in the county, where some 12,000 voted in the first primary, has three statewide races to consider.

There's one poll in Hot Springs, at the election commission, and one in Hot Springs Village (beyond the community's access gates). If it's a close election and Bill Halter loses, somebody is going to howl, givenBlanche Lincoln's poor showing in Garland in the first primary. She got only about 40 percent of the vote.

Those in line by 7:30 still may be able to vote. One question, however, may be what constitutes a line. Confident that Commission Chairman Charles Tapp and Co. will have a good answer?

Doesn't help that it's hot. Doesn't help that cops needed because of traffic difficulties have been diverted by amanhunt for a prisoner who escaped en route to a Hot Springs court appearance today."

http://barbara-morrill.dailykos.com/

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca:

Has there been much reaction in LA. to Phil Jackson coming out in support of the Arizona immigration law?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

It's looking like it's going to be a runoff in SC. Wait till they send Sarah and her new "friends" down there to campaign for Haley.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 8, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, I'm actually not that much of a basketball fan, I'm a baseball girl. Just tried to put a little extra dig into the East/West coast rivalry. And Phil Jackson pretty much does whatever he wants, but the players and fans are a different matter. MLB out here is working really hard to oppose the AZ law and boycott games etc.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

"Phil Jackson coming out in support of the Arizona immigration law"

Did he? My understanding was that he simply suggested that sports teams should not involve themselves in the controversy.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca:

"I'm a baseball girl"

Yankees or Red Sox?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 8, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

According to the LA Times:


"sked about the law, Jackson told reporters: "Am I crazy, or am I the only one that heard [the Arizona Legislature] say, 'We just took the United States immigration law and adopted it to our state?'" Arizona lawmakers simply "gave it some teeth to be able to enforce it."


Reads like Phil threw his full backing behind the Arizona law!

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

from POLITICO:

South Carolina state Rep. Nikki Haley and U.S. Rep. Gresham Barrett will advance to a June 22 runoff for the Republican nomination for governor, the AP reports. Haley, who weathered late accusations of marital infidelity, came in first in Tuesday's vote while Barrett trailed in second place.

Posted by: Andy94 | June 8, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

It's tightening: Lincoln leads Halter 52-48, with a little more than one-fourth reporting.
.......................


Greg,

Do you know what percentage of the African American vote went for Halter in the first round? It might all come down to turn out in that community.

I recall, in 2008, in Georgia, the African American vote, put the Democrat in a close runoff race against the Republican Senate candidate, but when the runoff election was held, the African American community turnout was much lower, and the Republican won by a sizable margin.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Blanche is holding on to a four point lead(4,500 vote margin) with 37% of the vote now counted.

It all depends on where those early results are from.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Scott, Angels all the way baby. I try to go to a Yankees/Angels game every year. Lots of Yankee fans here so it's really fun.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I like how Reid got out there he would rather go against the tea partier because she's the extremist, as if that's the general consensus.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington: Orly Taitz winning out in California will be excellent news!! For the Republicans!!!


As seen elsewhere: "Operation Pin the Birther on the Elephant is a GO!"

LOL

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 8, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@imsinca

The full Garland County results are in, and Lincoln won it there 50.3% to 49.7% via POLITICO's map.

Three weeks ago:

Halter - 44%
Lincoln - 40%
Morrison - 15%

This is a big, pivotal county, and I believe this is where the problem was.

Posted by: michael_conrad | June 8, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

lms:

"Lots of Yankee fans here so it's really fun."

Lots of Yankee fans everywhere (except in Boston). And rightly so.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 8, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

To clarify, by "problem" I meant problem with polling places.

Wait... Halter is leading by 2%!

Posted by: michael_conrad | June 8, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Go Halter!

I do love me some election nights!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 8, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Overall, Halter is leading by two.

I've got to say I'm really bummed about Vic Rawl's upset loss in SC. I really think he could have given DeMint a run, or at least called him out.

RE: Garland County

Jed Lewison at Daily Kos:

"Meanwhile, the Arkansas Secretary of State's office is saying Garland County failed to give voters proper notice that there would be only two polling stations open for the run-off. Halter's campaign says the reduction in stations led to very long lines in a county he won and a voter has filed suit against Garland County, alleging that voters were purposefully disenfranchised. "

Posted by: michael_conrad | June 8, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

michael, I could tell this morning when I read they reduced their polling places from 42 to 2 it would be a problem. Who does that? Hopefully Halter will win anyway so it won't matter except for those folks who didn't get to vote. That's assuming of course they would lean his way as they did in the primary. We take voting really serious around here.

CA polls close in about 15 minutes. I know you're all watching Orly, but I'm watching some interesting props. Why we get them in primaries is beyond me when we have such low turnout. I worked a polling place for three hours this morning and it was pretty slow.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Now Lincoln's back on top. Close race.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Michael, it looks like Garland County will be in the news for awhile since Lincoln won there. I hate it when voters are disenfranchised, if that's what happened. Voting is about the only thing we have left other than trying to compete with the big corps with our measly 25 bucks here and there.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

POLITICO calls it for Lincoln? Seems too close yet.

Posted by: Andy94 | June 8, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Politico has a check mark, calling the race for Blanche Lincoln, with 80% of the precincts reporting.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Would love to know the model used to call a race with 73% reporting and a 5k vote spread?

Posted by: Andy94 | June 8, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Eeewwww, I really wanted her to lose. Damnit.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

An excellent idea!

"Although most of the recent talk regarding flotillas has revolved around ships sailing toward Gaza, at least two plans have emerged for “reverse flotillas” – from Israel toward Turkey – to highlight what organizers have labeled the Turks’ “shameless hypocrisy” in their criticisms of the Jewish state.

The most ambitious of the two plans has been devised by members of Israel’s National Student Union, who this week announced their intention to set sail toward Turkey, in an effort to bring humanitarian aid to the “oppressed people of Turkish Kurdistan” and to members of the “Turkish Armenian minority.” "

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177789

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 8, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

"10:58 p.m.: Various news orgs are calling it for Lincoln. More in a sec.

10:42 p.m.: Lincoln back up, 51-49, with 64 percent reporting. Halter backers are genuinely nervous all of a sudden."

That's very disappointing.

Posted by: SDJeff | June 8, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the raw vote count in AR so far this could be a candidate for a recount if it stays this close to the end. I am not sure what the rules are for recounts in AR, but I am sure it will be discussed tomorrow.

Posted by: Andy94 | June 8, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Andy, it doesn't look like a recount is in the cards. Lincoln is too far ahead.

Posted by: SDJeff | June 8, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Lincoln is pulling away. No recount.

That was a lot of money for an election that wasn't going to matter. The Rs were going to win whoever won, alas.

Posted by: androcles | June 8, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

SD
Looks like you're right, a 5k spread almost doubled while I was typing that last post.

Posted by: Andy94 | June 8, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

You never know. It is an uphill battle for Blanche, and it will be hard for her to win back labor support by November. Still, strange things happen. Look at how George Allen put his foot in mouth, when was the odds on favorite. Anything can happen.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

So... do AR progressives pull out the stops and make sure they don't lose that seat to the GOP? That's a seat held by a Democrat for how long?

Posted by: Andy94 | June 8, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the NBA game might go down to the last shot taken in the game.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 8, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

@imisnca

Sure looks that way.

The way I see it, this should be a huge issue if there's good reason to believe Halter would have won had the polling places have been there.

If Lincoln won straight up, that's a really bad outcome in my mind, but not a controversy.

But if Garland was decisive... who knows. I'm going to to get some coffee and hope by the time I come back it's clear if Lincoln won clean or not.

I know Linda McMahon isn't in this race, but as of now it looks like one of the pro - wrestling "screw jobs" I watched as a kid.

Posted by: michael_conrad | June 8, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Greg, thanks for your 11:03 post.

The primary was well done and worth it. Period. I'm really disappointed and I think the Halter people got Bubba'd in Garland, but it was still worth it.

MORE of this please.

Also proud of my mama's home county (Calhoun), which even though hugely rural still showed big for Halter.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 8, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Good post Greg, you're right, Halter and the progressives have a lot to be proud of, it just hurts to come this close and still lose.

Posted by: SDJeff | June 8, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Thx SD Jeff. appreciate that.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 8, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

If I lived in AR, I'd vote for her over a Republican, but I sure couldn't make myself work on her campaign or donate. And BTW, with 9% voting in CA, all but one of the props are going the opposite way I voted. Big Business wins again so far, but it's early so hopefully it will change. I'll let you all know tomorrow.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 8, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, with 10% poor Orly is losing so far, 75% to 25% approximately. Would have been fun though.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I just checked in with relatives on the ground in AR and I wouldn't surrender the Dem Senate seat just yet. AR progressives may be pissed about tonight's results but they would be CRUSHED if they loose that Senate seat.

The Mid-Term election meme will be: which party builds a coalition and which one doesn't. Will it be the Dems who bring centrist Dems together with progressives to turnout big numbers OR the GOP who embraces the teabaggers while holding their much needed moderate conservative candidates?

Posted by: Andy94 | June 9, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Here's a site to follow CA for anyone interested. Pretty boring though.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/sec/59.htm

Night all!

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

And thanks BG. I'm sure you're right about what happened...

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 9, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

It's almost impossible to win as a Democrat against the Clinton machine in Arkansas. In my opinion, the unions and progressives picked the wrong state to take a stand against the party's establishment. Halter made a good showing, but Arkansas is well known for underhanded tactics. Not sure he ever had a fair chance.

Posted by: Beeliever | June 9, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

AFL-CIO response to "un-named" WH source.

"The major labor federation AFL-CIO took sharp objection tonight to a White House official's assessment that they'd "flushed $10 million of their members' money down the toilet" in the "pointless exercise" of supporting the failed bid of Bill Halter to unseat Sen. Blanche Lincoln."

"If that's their take on this, then they severely misread how the electorate feels and how we're running our political program. When we say we're only going to support elected officials who support our issues," said AFL-CIO spokesman Eddie Vale. "When they say we should have targeted our money among some key house races among Blue Dog Democrats — that ain't happening."

"Labor isn't an arm of the Democratic Party," Vale said. "It exists to support working families. And that's what we said tonight, and that's what we're gong to keep saying."

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

IMHO, if you're in the WH and you're going to say labor unions, "flushed $10 million of their members' money down the toilet" you should go on the record or you are a coward.

Posted by: Andy94 | June 9, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Another quirky fact of today's elections.

Looks like the night for women.

blanche, fiorina, whitman, angle, haley.

And none of them my favs. Only consolation - Boxer

Posted by: amkeew | June 9, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

FUUUUCK the "unnamed" WH source on what labor did this cycle.

All of us here know that without better Dem candidates and pols in congress, the WH agenda is in serious trouble.

So when Blanche gets shellacked in the general who's fault will that be?

Idiots. Clinton-era, has been, no lessons learned idiots.

Man, am I pissed at the AR loss.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 9, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Big headline at NRO...

"PALIN'S PARTY"

Posted by: bernielatham | June 9, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

"PHOENIX — The U.S. Supreme Court derailed a key part of Arizona's campaign finance system on Tuesday by at least temporarily blocking extra money for publicly funded candidates outspent by privately financed rivals or targeted by independent groups' spending.
The court said in a brief order that it will prevent the state from using its system of so-called matching funds at least until the justices decide whether to hear the full appeal of opponents of the key provision of the state's campaign funding system.
Distribution of matching funds was to start June 22, but it could be the fall before the court decides even whether to accept the case. Arizona's primary election is Aug. 24." http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hSQxLpywAsUfJyd5LkaBoCRCDCQAD9G75VA00

Posted by: bernielatham | June 9, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Let's not mince words. The unnamed source is Rahm Emmanuel, shower stalker.

Posted by: Papagnello | June 9, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Just a quick update from CA. Overnight two of the props I wanted to fail actually failed so the Chamber of Commerce, big utilities and the auto insurance industry lost their bids to control local installation of alternative or less expensive power availability (2/3 voter requirement) and price fixing for previously uninsured motorists.

Prop 14 won, not sure how this is going to work but apparently we now have open primaries and the top two candidates, regardless of party affiliation will move on to the general. I guess the goal is more centrist decision making, uugggghhh.

And don't even get me started on Prop. 15, voluntary public funding for Sec of State if they agree to limitation on spending and private contributions. Of course it would have been funded by fees on lobbyists, no wonder it lost.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Regarding the Halter/Lincoln race and un-named WH sources, if they want to piss off the Unions and all the grassroots efforts to elect more progressive Dems, they're the ones throwing elections away. What they should be doing instead is trying to figure out why there's an ideological divide in the party and how they can fix it rather than dismissing the money and hard work as pointless. As we move closer to the general election you'd think they'd be trying to get our votes. But what do I know, I just work on and donate to and phone bank for campaigns.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Bad night in Boston. Worse night in the U.S.

Greg: Your analysis is spot-on, I think. The Dem Est, still dominated by Clinton-Era Repub-lites, is going to find itself with a hostile challenge from the Left very soon and then all the GOP angst re: the Teabaggers will be visited upon the incredibly stupid and richly-deserving Democratic Party.

I'd add that Lincoln may have been successful is painting the race as "outsiders" trying to takeover AR. Did you catch Lincoln's victory speech? First words: "this senator's vote isn't for sale and the votes of Arkansans can't be bought either."

I don't know about Arkansans but I do believe that Blanche's vote isn't for sale ... anymore. She sold her vote LONG AGO to Wall Street, Big Oil, and Big Money. (Though I'm quite sure she'd entertain offers still.)

Imsinca: Gotta say: Lakers look like a better team than the Celts. I just hope the Celts win the next 2 at home and get it back to L.A. for some drama.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 9, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
"No matter what you read about this, the Halter challenge was a show of force by the left. Period."

Yep...and it failed. Period.

I told you that labor unions, (which MEANS Labor Bosses), are usually a very bad bellweather of popular sentiment.

That's because Unions hold elections that would make Robert Mugabe gag.

So, it looks like there will be no repeat of your Moonbat Ned Lamont/Joe Lieberman fiasco in Arkansas.

Sorry 'bout that.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 9, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

wbgonne, the Lakers are tough to beat, but it's early still.

I'll share another thought on the elections. Some of you know I worked pretty hard on Marcy Winograd's campaign knowing full well it was a real long shot. She lost to Harman 58%/42% but we accomplished several things. Harman was forced to spend more time in the District and more of her personal fortune to win. Two years ago she beat Marcy with 62% of the vote. Knowing full well in two years she will face another primary challenge with an even larger grassroots effort what will Harman do between now and then? Maybe she'll begin to listen a little to her more progressive constituents, isn't that the goal? Then again, she might just blow it off like Blanche and alienate part of the base.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

All, morning roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/the_morning_plum_27.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 9, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Again, I'll offer a counter-argument.

First, I want the union movement to be rebuilt. Second, I think Clinton was too far right in many policy aspects. Third, I think it is necessary for a strong and vital liberal/progressive camp within the Dem community to keep pushing loudly.

But the most important immediate result must be electoral victories. The reason is that 1) that is the way the Republicans play this game and 2) the world cannot afford them to regain power.

Therefore, it will be the case that there is consternation and argument and discord within the left but it must not be allowed to trump or cancel necessary allegiances.

I'm not really happy making such a mechanistic argument, but the consequences here look dire to me.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 9, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I know Bernie, it's just exhausting being the doormat. As an outsider in the AR race I'll save my money for better candidates, they're on their own.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca: You're right. Just got to keep fighting.

Bernie: You may be correct as to the bottom line. Unfortunately, that is precisely the calculus the Dem Est relies upon to dismiss the Left. And I think people are getting sick of it. I know I am. What happens from there, who knows? But people will act with their hearts more often than their heads.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm just one of the worker bees, but I'm only going to expend my limited abilities and worker bee for the candidates who express my values. I will vote for the lesser of two evils but I won't GOTV for them. That's just the way it is.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Can I just say, I am genuinely furious at MSNBC right now? They let Chris Matthews go on the air and spout this nonsense about Orly Taitz being the CA GOP candidate for SecState!? And now it turns out she lost by 50 points?!

How can this raving nutter have any Beltway cred after this? "Let Me Finish". You ARE finished, Matthews! Good riddance!

Posted by: howlless | June 9, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"If you don't belive that, ask yourself why Lincoln suddenly found herself backing a tough-on-derivatives proposal in the Senate..."
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Ummm, perhaps because to Lincoln's credit, throughout this whole sordid affair, she never took her eye off November and running against Wall Street is pretty darned good politics in general this year, particularly in a farm state?

Posted by: CalD | June 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

PS: "Urinating on labor?"

Whaddaya, blogging from your dorm room?

Posted by: CalD | June 9, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

bernie,

"Therefore, it will be the case that there is consternation and argument and discord within the left but it must not be allowed to trump or cancel necessary allegiances."

According to all the polls, Blanche is toast in the general no matter what. In fact, she polls WORSE vs. Boozman than Halter. In challenging Lincoln, progressives were fighting for not only a more amenable candidate, but a better shot at electoral victory. Bottom line, who cares about allegiances directed towards Blanche Lincoln at this point?

Also, the conservatives have been very successful electorally BECAUSE they are willing to enforce party dicipline: You go up against the Club for Growth and you will face consequences. I submit that some of what's wrong with the Democratic party is the idea that incumbents needn't be accountable to the party's base just because they sport a 'D' by their name. The end result of this lack of accountability is Lieberdems like Blanche who won't even vote with the party on procedural votes.

Posted by: lb99999999 | June 9, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

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