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* Though Lisa Murkowski's effort to block the EPA from regulating carbon emissions was defeated in the Senate today, six Democrats voted for it. You know who one of them was, of course.

* Still, it's a victory for Obama, who commends the defeat as a sign that the Senate chose to "move America forward."

* But Obama tells Congressional leaders that they need to move America forward faster.

* Matthew Yglesias goes deep on the flap over whether Chuck Schumer cheered Blanche Lincoln for taking on unions.

* Michael Whitney isn't buying Schumer's walkback, and says the flap is still "indicative of the club-like nature of the Senate, and how its members prioritize saving their own above all else."

* Takedown of the day: Joe Klein versus Michael Rubin on the $400 million in aid the Obama administration is giving to the Palestinian Authority. A taste: "Very ugly...loathsome...rabid puppy."

* A key reason contributing to the breakdown in White House-labor relations is the absence of Andy Stern, and the failure of anyone to take his place bridging that gap.

* House GOPer James Sensebrenner won't recuse himself from a probe into the Gulf spill despite owning thousands of shares of BP stock.

* Karl Rove comes out for the Arizona immigration law, and Ben Smith notes that given Rove's past advocacy for GOP Latino outreach, it shows how far to the right the debate has drifted.

* Obama hits a new low in Gallup daily tracking.

* Good read: In another example of HuffPo's efforts to meld long form and Web journalism, Sam Stein tells the full story, and I mean full, of the left's effort take down Lincoln.

* And the first poll released since Sharron Angle won the Nevada GOP Sentate nomination finds Angle up on Harry Reid by 11 points. Of course, it is Rasmussen, but expect a lot of crowing.

What else is happening?

UPDATE, 7:02 p.m.: Digby notes that the narrowness of the Murkowski effort's failure demonstrates how hard it will be to get 60 votes for a real climate change bill. Again, in the wake of possibly the worst environmental calamity in our history, this is, well, freakin' insane.

By Greg Sargent  |  June 10, 2010; 6:21 PM ET
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Check out the Redesign the BP Logo Contest. There are some excellent entries.
$200 prize, and still time to enter!

http://www.logomyway.com/contestView.php?contestId=1746

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 10, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

It's not really fair to post Klein without Rubin's response, now is it?

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTlhNTIwZGZmZGU2OGQ5ZWQwMDFiN2Q0ZTdiMWQwODM=

A taste: "Of course, Mr. Klein has never met me nor talked to me, so he knows not of which he speaks...and people are quite tired with attempts to stifle real policy debates by labeling opposing points racist or anti-Muslim...Joe Klein, you embarrass Time magazine."

Posted by: sbj3 | June 10, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Rubin as a "Very ugly...loathsome...rabid puppy."

Indeed. But Palestinians aren't really like people any longer. They're much more akin to the "vermin" of 30's German anti-Jewish tracts.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 10, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Weigel re Alvin Greene:

"One theory coming out of Republicans right now -- more a response to Clyburn than anything serious -- is that Democrats, for all their bluster, might have gotten Greene into the race to give defeated candidate Vic Rawl a boost. In South Carolina, if a candidate has no opponent, he is not listed on the ballot. Even then, why this guy?"

Posted by: sbj3 | June 10, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
"And the first poll released since Sharron Angle won the Nevada GOP Sentate nomination finds Angle up on Harry Reid by 11 points. Of course, it is Rasmussen, but expect a lot of crowing."

"Crowing"?

What?

You're not in favor of "Change" anymore?

This dame is little Miss Nobody who came out of Nowhere.

You certainly did your part for her candidacy by your "Chickens for Checkups" bon mot, (which, truth be told, wasn;t too bad a crack).

So...you got what you wanted, Good Hair Lowden went down in flames, and you drew a Wild Card.

Who just may likely defeat Washington Establishment uber-insider Harry GReid.

You REALLY gotta make up your mind on whether you're really down with the whole "Change" thing, meme-master.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 10, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Says the simpleton who is still hoping for the restoration of The Slave Owning Confederacy.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Reid and Angle: You're screwed either way if you're a Democrat...

Posted by: sbj3 | June 10, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100610/ap_on_re_eu/eu_pope_priests

Pope defends celibacy for priests, at large rally of priests.

Pope remarked;

What the hell do you priests need sex with women for. Since when are little boys not good enough for you.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

@Greg, re: Sam Stein's Piece

Two things.

First, I love long form pieces like this. In fact, I think web journalism needs even longer, in-depth stuff. Not at the same speed as smaller up-to-date stuff, mind you, but consistently. I think it would most online journalism in a good direction.

Second, I think his premise - that labor somehow "lost" in all this - is flawed. As you've noted, this was still a big step forward for them when you look at the entire political landscape.

They didn't get EVERYTHING they wanted...but they got more out of Lincoln when it comes to Wall-Street reform than the other 58 Dems in the Senate could.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | June 10, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Soul-less Liam-slave-still:
"Pope remarked;

What the hell do you priests need sex with women for. Since when are little boys not good enough for you."

What's the matter with you?

Do you miss the candy bars you used to earn?

Or did you forget your catamite ointment?

There's a very good reason for clerical celibacy...to avoid Holy Mother Church becoming a "Family Business".

If you read your Scriptures and have a modicum of familiarity with the way Judaism was practiced in Jesus' day, you would know that His ministry was a threat not only on dogmatic, but also on economic grounds.
What made it worse, from the Levites POV, was that He himself was from a priestly class family.

Now go back to your closet and pollute yourself with your Devil-worshiping ways.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 10, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

What BBQ said. And I'll add that I hadn't seen that much enthusiasm in awhile from progressives. Hopefully it will be channeled into progressive candidates in the general election.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Blue Dogs had to be made aware that they can not always take the support of unions for granted. A shot across the bow was called for, since a lot of those Blue Dogs have been more intent on placating Right Wingers, than they have members of their own party.

Look what happened to Stupak. He tried to kill the health care reform bill, just to cater to the TeaBagger rabble, and when he drew the ire of his own Progressives, he tried to make an about face, and ended up having both sides mad at him, and had to get out of politics.

We do not need two Republican parties, so the challenge to Blanche should serve to get the attention of other Blue Dogs.

You stray too far off the porch, and we will pepper your Arses with buckshot.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Birther Bilgey defends the Woman hating organization that runs a Global Pedophile Protection Mafia.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

What ever became of the oil eating bacteria strains, that were supposed to be used to consume oil spills?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Soul-less Satan lover Liam:
"Birther Bilgey defends the Woman hating organization that runs a Global Pedophile Protection Mafia."

Y'know, I've never heard you give up the name of whichever priest or priests it was that nailed you, Rent-boy.

Why is that?

Who are YOU protecting?

I;m protecting my Church from the infiltration of perverts and sexual deviants...ther's more than a tough telephone poles and firewood to deal with such as they.

But what exactly are YOU getting at?

Did His Holiness Pope Benedict penetrate you?

He didn't?

Then get off it.

If that chorus of demons howling inside your head will let you, that is...

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 10, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

From the Sennsebrenner piece...

"BP and the government need each other," Sensenbrenner wrote in a column published Thursday on his website. "So, I question again, how is the president publicly chastising and threatening BP with criminal actions — a company that has pledged to pay for the damage caused by the oil spill accident and who likely wants this resolved more than anyone — helping to stop the oil?"

Teachers and black or white kids who smoke pot - there just has to be accountability for job performance and criminal activities.

Enormous corporations you own stock in are different. They are are on the very edge of unjust victimhood and need protection.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Sounds Like Birther Bilgey enjoyed being The Priest's Little Concubine, and Birther Bilgey wants nothing to do with V*ginas.

No one tell him, that without women, none of those clerical pedophiles, including the old German lunatic in Rome, would ever have been born.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's not getting any better out there re the fight between Dems and unions. I'm not sure what to think anymore but it sure seems like it's all going to hell in a hand basket. I guess we'll see who blinks first.

"Senator Robert Menendez, leader of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, sent out a memo deriding labor unions who supported Bill Halter as “special interests in Washington.”

"Tonight Arkansas Democrats nominated Blanche Lincoln, a proven independent voice for her state. In this race Blanche took on powerful special interests in Washington and won. In the Senate, she fights those same fights everyday, supporting home-state farmers, strengthening programs for childhood nutrition, and bolstering rural economic development. As Chairwoman of the Agriculture Committee, Blanche has stood-up and delivered for every region of Arkansas."

And if you aren’t sure this is an isolated incident from the DSCC, they posted this article from The Hill on the DSCC website. The editorial by Hill editor A.B. Stoddard, as posted on the DSCC’s website, congratulates Lincoln for:

"fending off Lt. Gov. Bill Halter and the unions and the netroots and the punishment the left promised to exact for her opposition to a public option in healthcare reform and to legislation, favored by unions, known as “card-check.”

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The more those Right Wing Republicand rush to defend BP(Big Polluter) the more I love it.

Are you listening to all those Republicans who are making excuses for the company that is destroying your shorelines, and your way of life, Gulf Coast Red States?

Your beloved Republicans, do not care a rat's Arse about you.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry that last was from Michael Whitney.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca

The Democratic leadership better stop bashing unions before they trigger a movement to run a candidate against President Obama in 2012.

It happened to President Carter, so it can happen again, and it destroyed the party for decades.

No wonder we could not get much passed, even when we had the sixty seats, and no wonder we lost the seat that Ted Kennedy held.

Our party, in the Senate, is being guided, by a cluster of tone deaf morons. It is now very clear that Schumer comments were calculated, and not off the cuff. He was just stating what he had already discussed with others.

I am out of here to watch the NBA game. Talk to you on the morrow, provided I evade that grim old creature,with the scythe, for another day.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Soulless Slave of Satan Liam:
"Sounds Like Birther Bilgey enjoyed being The Priest's Little Concubine,"

Stop projecting, devil-rent-boy, the sexual misconduct of the clergy seems to be your personal habitual hobby-horse.

I can only suspect that this is because you yourself were a "hobby-horse" for some of them.

"...and Birther Bilgey wants nothing to do with V*ginas."

It sounds to me like you wish you HAD a virgina.
There are doctors that you can go to for that now, y'know...

"No one tell him, that without women, none of those clerical pedophiles, including the old German lunatic in Rome, would ever have been born."

I hate to tell you this, but His Holiness will very likely pray for that blackened and shriveled little tumor that you call your soul tonight.

And as for the rest of the clergy, the vast majority of which strive to be good and true servants of Christ, you'd best stay away from them...some of them fellows are pretty adept at casting out unclean spirits from the living.

And if that happened to you, I'm afraid that you'd deflate like a balloon, and then we'd have to bury your mortal remains in a cigar tube.

I'm off to say my prayers and hop into bed.

Have fun howling at the moon and chewing the carpet, or whatever hideous and disgusting pastimes you engage in during your leisure hours...

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 10, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Birter Bilgey doth protest too much, and make too many excuses for the women hating clergy. Clearly Little Birther Bilgey was very fondle of his priest, and cherishes those memories, and wants no nasty women creatures, disrupting the status quo.

Birther Bilgey defends The Vatican Global Pedophile Protection Mafia, as ardently as he defends The Slave Owning Confederate States.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 10, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

My vote for quote of the day.

"As Republicans, however, both Fiorino and Whitman have more in common with Gordon Gecko than Abe Lincoln."
http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2010/06/whitman_fiorina_wins_not_likel.php#comments

Posted by: bernielatham | June 10, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Imsinca:

I am stunned that the DSCC has posted such a thing on its website. More:

"After spending years agreeing with Republicans and taking heat for it from national Democrats — as well as some back home — Lincoln scored an unexpected victory for the middle this week, fending off Lt. Gov. Bill Halter and the unions and the netroots and the punishment the left promised to exact for her opposition to a public option in healthcare reform and to legislation, favored by unions, known as “card-check.”"

THAT is an endorsement for a Democrat? Wow. These guys are f-ing retarded. I'm beginning to think the Democratic Party wishes it were the Republican Party. The "good news" is that Tweety had Harold Ford on to tell us that a Democrat is anyone who says he or she is a Democrat, regardless of what he or she stands for and regardless of how he or she votes. What happens if both political parties commit suicide at the same time?

I'm beginning to hope we find out.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 10, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"Though Lisa Murkowski's effort to block the EPA from regulating carbon emissions was defeated in the Senate today, six Democrats voted for it. You know who one of them was, of course."

And THAT is why the Republicrats have to go.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 10, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

"Fire chiefs along Alabama’s coast are complaining about BP’s response to the Gulf oil spill crisis. The 36-member Baldwin County Fire Chiefs Association sent a letter Wednesday to the unified command and Alabama Gov. Bob Riley saying the company appears to be purposely keeping trained local officials away from the spill response. They also say they’re getting far too little official information about what’s going on."
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/10/alabama-bp-oil-spill/

Posted by: bernielatham | June 10, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"BP manager hassles journalist reporting from a public beach, makes cleanup crew move away from him."
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/10/bp-hassles-abc-reporter/

The trend continues.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 10, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"Obama hits a new low in Gallup daily tracking."

I couldn't find the party breakdown on this but I'm guessing that, once again, the White House is pissing off the Dem base. Good grief. What is WRONG with these people?

Deep breath.

Go CELTICS!

O&O.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 10, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne, that DSCC quote is outrageous.

NO ONE should contribute directly to them. DFA or candidates directly, please.

Take away labor and netroots and what do the Dems have? As lms so beautifully said the other day, this should be coalition-building time, especially in the face of a deteriorating, rabid GOP that is losing its ability to gather any sort of majority.

The Senate is a nest of privileged idiots. They aren't even politically smart. All the more reason to support Pelosi.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 10, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

sbj:

“It's not really fair to post Klein without Rubin's response, now is it?”

No, but propagandists (in Bernie's sense of the word) don't usually do fair.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 10, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

‘ “Rubin as a "Very ugly...loathsome...rabid puppy." Indeed.’

How is it you know Rubin well enough to make such a claim?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 10, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Sennsebrenner asks:

“So, I question again, how is the president publicly chastising and threatening BP with criminal actions — a company that has pledged to pay for the damage caused by the oil spill accident and who likely wants this resolved more than anyone — helping to stop the oil?”

Bernie:

“Teachers and black or white kids who smoke pot - there just has to be accountability for job performance and criminal activities. Enormous corporations you own stock in are different. They are are on the very edge of unjust victimhood and need protection.”

This is a rational and substantive answer to his question...how exactly?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 10, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"* Matthew Yglesias goes deep on the flap over whether Chuck Schumer cheered Blanche Lincoln for taking on unions."
---------------------------------------------

Oh, we're getting just a little petty here now, aren't we? Are you seriously insisting the woman now be ostracized by her colleagues for her heresies against progressiverer orthodoxy? Do you agree with every single one of *your* friends on every single issue, 100% of the time? If not, does any disagreement mean you're not friends anymore?

Anyway, I seem to recall that it was the unions who declared holy war on Blanche Lincoln, not the other way around. Is the Senator not even allowed to defend herself when someone comes after her with guns blazing, hell-bent on her political destruction? I didn't exactly notice *them* pulling any punches in all that. Or you, for that matter. She won a tough race and she's entitled to a victory lap. Get over it.

Posted by: CalD | June 10, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

wbg:

“Good grief. What is WRONG with these people?”

How much time do you have?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 10, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, CalD, she was just minding her own business and got unfairly targeted.

Poor, poor Blanche.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 10, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I am sincerely confused and bewildered by what's going on. You could take one or possibly even two of these comments as a moment of glee or something, but with the DSCC weighing in and publishing the quote from the Hill it seems to be clearly deliberate. Various unions contributed almost $500k to the DSCC in the last election cycle. They may not have the might and influence they used to but what the hell? I guess everyone thinks because our choices are between Dems and Repubs the unions and progressives will just tow the party line but it's looking less and less likely to me.

Michael Conrad over at progressiveblue.com had a good post up yesterday about a strategy going forward which I will try to comply with. Basically, when Repubs pull their usual dirty tricks call them on it and don't let them get away with it.
Boehner's stunt today would be an example, he didn't get very far before having to walk it back. When Obama says or does something spectacular as he is definitely know to do, lavish praise (sounds sort of childish) and number three when he or Dems stray too far from our principles call them on it, keep pushing. I'll add my own fourth, like BG said just now and I said yesterday, give your money and time to progressive candidates. I'll say it again, I'll vote for a Dem any day of the week but I'll fight for the ones who share my ideals. That's the best I can do.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Bernie, unless you can back up this:

"But Palestinians aren't really like people any longer. They're much more akin to the "vermin" of 30's German anti-Jewish tracts."

...with some kind of evidence that shows that Rubin actually thinks such a thing, I think it is pretty clearly you who is acting in a loathsome, ugly manner.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 10, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

CalD, I've read a few of your comments here the last couple of days and I just have to say I completely disagree. How did Blanche reward Dems today, she voted with the Republicans on a bill Obama vowed to veto. She wasn't the only one, it was the usual suspects. People think she'll stay to the left in order to be competitive in Nov., I think she'll do just the opposite. She'll be going for the conservative vote. I'll leave AR to their own devices, we have enough problems of our own here in CA.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go catch up on the game, GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Olbermann interviews Alvin Greene and it was really hard to watch. The guy seemed like he had 10 minutes to prepare for an interview about being the Dem candidate for the US Senate. He's not, seemingly, aware of issues, and didn't have anything, anything, smart to say, even about how he campaigned or, um, anything.

Train wreck.

I felt sorry for him, but just at a human level. Wow.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

This Greene thing is just to odd to not have some crazy story that is going to break about his candidacy.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 10, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Basketball is just not my sport. Here's another quote re Blanche's victory Tuesday. Chris Matthews is one of the strangest guys I never want to meet. Apparently he didn't check out some of Blanche's ads or who paid for them before he went down this twisted path.

"What worries me are those who try to manipulate democracy, the pressure groups, the money people who’d like all elections to come down to who can buy the most advertising on television, most of it negative advertising."

"What gave me hope last night is that voters don’t like to be pushed around any more that I do. A lot of labor money went into the Arkansas Senate primary and produced a lot of drama — and a real
hero. The kind of stand-alone, what-side-are-you-on woman celebrated in that pro-labor film Norma Rae. The irony is that the heroine, the Norma Rae last night in Little Rock, was the Democratic Senator Labor tried to beat, Norma Rae’s name in this picture is Blanche Lincoln."

Posted by: lmsinca | June 10, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah lms, according to Tweety, Blanche is so independent that after the general she'll only represent herself.

That will really stick it to the bullies who tried to elect someone who cared about representing a plurality.

God this country is full of idiots.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 11, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

BG:

"God this country is full of idiots."

I guess then the Plum Line really is a microcosm of America!

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

A struggle for the soul of the Democratic Party is underway. Tweety is in the Clinton/Rahm/DLC wing and they are still the Dem Establishment. That explains why so many Republicrats are supported and so many Republican-lite policies are being advocated by the Dems. Then there are the real Dems, the rank and file, who the elite are trying to stomp down. As Randy Paul might say: We Want Our Party Back!

"Basketball is just not my sport."

Ha! Only cause you knew the Lakers were going down. Just kidding: these have been pretty ugly games and I'm a baseball guy anyhow. But I sure didn't expect the Celtics to be where they are right now. 2-2. If the Celts win the next one, should be fun back in L.A.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 11, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Interesting take on the economics of BP and Obama's response.

"Instead, Obama and others have played into BP’s hands. They’ve given reason for the British government and populace to think that the American government is treating the company unfairly.

Britain already faces a strong temptation to do something to help BP. The company provides one out of every six dividends in the British market, and is a mainstay of pension funds and conservative investors.

And the London press is already raging against American rage. “It is difficult to imagine that the President would have been so remorselessly vituperative had BP been an American oil company such as the even bigger ExxonMobil,” the Daily Mail's Stephen Glover wrote last week — and he is far from alone.

Prime Minister David Cameron stepped in today, saying that “BP needs to do everything it can to deal with the situation, and the U.K. government stands ready to help.” Cameron will talk with Obama about the matter this weekend. He’ll reiterate “that we need constructive solutions and that we remember the economic value BP brings to people in Britain and America,” said British Treasury chief George Osborne.

Investors were happy today because they figure that “constructive solutions” include shielding shareholders and lenders from the full costs of BP’s actions. As Obama has unhelpfully politicized those costs, he’s made a BP failure – or severe BP distress — even more politically untenable in the UK."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDNkYzkxMzViNDQ3YjJlZjY1N2EyZjYwZjgyMWVkMTA=

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

And I think that the various core Democratic groups -- labor, environmentalists, civil libertarians, MoveOn, etc. - must come together under a single umbrella organization to effectuate the necessary changes in the Democratic Party. I realize this will be difficult but I think it's the only way to gather enough power -- GOTV, money, thinking, etc. -- to restore the Democratic Party. Once the alignment occurs we can put real, sustained pressure on the EstDems. And if that doesn't work, another vehicle may be necessary and the organization will provide the base for it.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 11, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Scott: That's just how Too Big To Fail looks when it's a foreign company in jeopardy.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 11, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

sbj said: "One theory coming out of Republicans right now"

We'll see what comes up via further investigations but there are several prior cases of Republican operatives in SC putting up black males with criminal convictions as Dem candidates with at least one conviction resulting. (NPR yesterday)

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

wb:

"these have been pretty ugly games"

And ugly refereeing, too. Did you see that 3-second call on Garnett when only 4 seconds had run off the shot clock? Absurd.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

@ScottC
"Bernie:
‘ “Rubin as a "Very ugly...loathsome...rabid puppy." Indeed.’

How is it you know Rubin well enough to make such a claim?"

Ever personally met Charlie Manson? Robert Welch? National Party leaders of 60's SA?

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

wbgonne, I woke up thinking about all of this and it occurred to me that the Dem Est. is painting Lincoln as a local hero, bucking the system and speaking for the people of AR. It's just difficult to force that to gel with the fact that she voted against the EPA and emission limits yesterday, our only resource right now to promote change in our reliance on oil. Like I said I'll let the people of AR figure it out. I'll just keep fighting for the causes I believe in.

I do think there's a fight looming for the heart of the party, I just don't know how it's all going to end. Obama has his work cut out for him on all fronts.

Congrats on the game, you caught me, I hate to lose. LOL

Posted by: lmsinca | June 11, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Here is some other commentary from Great Britain on how Obama's deft handling of the Gulf fiasco is further fraying that relationship, which he had already left in tatters. There is a link to an interesting London Evening Standard article.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/06/10/bp-rage-aided-and-abetted-kick-rhetoric-plus-developing-foreign-relation

I'll say again what I have before: While liberals think he is gracefully and masterfully rescuing the world and "moving us forward," Obama is a slow-motion train wreck, both for the country and politically for his party.

He will be a one termer without a doubt if Republicans nominate any respectable candidate.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 11, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

ScottC re Sennesebrenner: "This is a rational and substantive answer to his question...how exactly?"

It really would be more fun if you tried harder, Scott.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

ScottC3; The refs are HORRIBLE. I've never seen such poor officiating in the Finals. Embarrassing for the League and infuriating for the fans. These games are tough to watch.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 11, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"Ever personally met Charlie Manson? Robert Welch? National Party leaders of 60's SA?

Nope, but I haven't described any of them as loathsome and ugly. But if I did and someone asked me to justify the description, I wouldn't obfuscate.

Shall I take your response to mean that yours was no more justified than any other ad hominem?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

NBA officiating is poor? No way! I am shocked, shocked!

This is one reason why I have not watched it much for fifteen years or so. Perhaps it a perception based on my age, but I thought it got out of hand around the Jordan era and never has recovered. Sort of a joke.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 11, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Imsinca: I think the 2-aprty system has broken down. The GOP has gone off the rails and the Dems occupy the full spectrum of rational political though in America today. The Dem Party really contains BOTH parties, which is why we have Lincoln, Landrieu, Tweety, Harold Ford, etc, claiming to be Dems. And that's why there is such strain inside the Dem Party. Whenever this has happened throughout American political history big changes occur in the system. It is time to al least get ready if not catalyze those changes.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 11, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

@ScottC: re Palestinians as vermin. Again, try harder. Have you read some of the tracts I refer to? (Shirer's book documents the period and the anti-semitism of it very well). As is universally the case, de-humanization of the target population is a key means of projecting them as blame-worthy, projecting the targeting population as blameless, and setting up the justification for treating the target population as animals or as less than human. I don't know how much you read that comes out of the settler movement or how much you read about condition in the occupied territories but it clearly isn't enough.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Meme Du Jour Alert!

Obama is antagonizing our Mother Country and jeopardizing Our Special Relationship by being mean to BP.

A/K/A Too Big To Fail, British Edition.

Gotta run.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 11, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Bernie evidently makes no distinction between the need for effective leadership of an effort to stop and clean up the oil spill on one hand, and the proper assignment of accountability for the spill on the other.

Or he ignores the distinction when convenient in taking a cheap shot at Sensenbrenner.

People really aren't that stupid, Bernie. Your non sequiturs need to be better to fool more people into thinking you are a serious commentator and not a propogandist.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 11, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"It really would be more fun if you tried harder, Scott."

You're being dishonest. You are not interested in responding to any real challenge to the liberal mythology you spout on about, as yesterday proved. You are only interested in discussions which accept your liberal premises upfront. Whenever I challenge those premises, which is the root of the problem with much of your thinking, I'm suddenly "uninteresting" or "silly". In other words, you are only interested in playing with a stacked deck, and whenever I call you on it, you quit.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Do try harder, Scott. "Nope, but I haven't described any of them as loathsome and ugly."
You would though and be justified in doing so (at least in accord with normal standards) even not having met them.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

"He will be a one termer without a doubt if Republicans nominate any respectable candidate."

Like who?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 11, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

ps - but I'll let you take the matter up with Klein who wrote the sentence to which you object.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

All, morning roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/the_morning_plum_29.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 11, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"Have you read some of the tracts I refer to?"

You are obfuscating again. The clear implication of your post was that Rubin believes or portrays Palestians as less than human and as "vermin". I challenge you to substantiate that charge. Can you? If not, then I will say it again...it is you, not Rubin, who is behaving in a loathsome and ugly manner.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"but I'll let you take the matter up with Klein who wrote the sentence to which you object."

That is very cowardly of you, Bernie. Seriously. You quoted Klein and clearly expressed agreement by saying "Indeed", and then even introduced your own accusations about Rubin. But now you are going to avoid defending your charge by hiding behind an "I didn't say it" claim. Such a dishonest, cowardly move.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"Meme Du Jour Alert!

Obama is antagonizing our Mother Country and jeopardizing Our Special Relationship by being mean to BP."

Are liberals really unable to grasp the problem with how Obama has handled this?

What he should have done was show immediate positive leadership in stopping and cleaning up the spill. Early on, he should have said something along the lines of:

"We are bringing all parties together to work together to stop the spill and contain and clean it up as rapidly as possible. It is important that responsibility for this disaster be determined and that the responsible parties be held responsible for the harm, but right now the priority for all of us has to be stopping the leak and cleaning it up, and I as President am going make certain that all of our energies and resources are focused on that priority, and that we all work together to achieve those goals as quickly as possible."

Instead, he failed to provide that leadership and made it his priority to declare BP's criminality and impending ordeal at his hands. When Salazar announced the "boot on the neck," the admin first said that was excessive rhetoric but then effectively adopted it as its theme.

Then they sent Holder out to declare a priority on prosecuting BP to the fullest extent possible, which was the least productive thing Obama could have done in dealing with the ongoing disaster.

And now he continues to ratchet up the bellicose rhetoric -- purely for political positioning. He said he wouldn't meet with Hayward, suggesting that Hayward would not be truthful with him anyway.

Wrap your mind around that. He will meet with virtually anyone. He chums around with people like Chavez but wouldn't, on some misguided principle or pique, meet with Hayward.

Then he flip flops after being asked why not by Matt Lauer.

His performance has become comedic, but unfortunately it has also made the disaster as damaging as possible to our relationship with our historically closest ally. If the BP's liabilities for the spill, as ultimately determined by the courts, wipe it out, that will be the sad reality. But it wasn't Obama's job to deal with the spill by declaring BP a corporate criminal and liable for everything including the economic damage from HIS OWN moratorium on drilling. He not only failed to show leadership focused on the right priorities but did so in a way so as to antagonize Great Britain to the maximum extent possible.

That's not "too big to fail," it's just poor and stupid leadership by a President whose lack of experience and depth is showing.


Posted by: quarterback1 | June 11, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"Do try harder, Scott."

As hard as you are trying to confuse the issue? Whether or not I would describe them as such is irrelevant. The point is that, if I did, I would not be unable/unwilling to substantiate the characterization, which, manifestly, you are. Again, you are being dishonest and cowardly.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Oh Scott. You aren't that threatening in argument. Too often, you are just a waste of time. It doesn't have to be that way but you keep falling to the insults and the playschool challenges and the carelessness.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

There's a delightfully ironic aspect to this "the Brits are upset at Americans being upset at BP" narrative coming from the right here.

Brit opinion (or any other nations' opinion) isn't relevant to the American right except where it might concur with what the right would like it to be. Thus the overwhelming Brit citizen or Canadian citizen or Australian citizen etc anger at the US attack on Iraq was not noteworthy except as proof of widespread "anti-Americanism". Where Britain or some other nation has protested the US violations of existing treaties, that has been, for the modern right, a loathsome attempt to "internationalize" the world and carve away at American sovereignty.

But now, rather magically, American policy and the President stand indicted by Brit opinion and the indictments are worth attending to, even of such value that they ought to trump US leaders' policies. Even, we'll note, should trump American citizens' justified fears that they, as taxpayers, will have to cover the costs themselves.

The conservative movement. Supporting anti-Americanism abroad. When corporate interests are in jeopardy, of course. Taxpayer interests? No relevant.

It would be interesting to hear Norquist on the question of whether American taxpayers ought to be saddled with the costs that will accrue from this ugly frigging disaster in the Gulf.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"It doesn't have to be that way but you keep falling to the insults and the playschool challenges and the carelessness."

You can put on your disappointed "I wish you were better" act if you want, but you and I both know what you are doing. And so, probably, does most everyone else here, even if the progressive peanut gallery would never admit it. You made an outrageous accusation, cannot back it up when called on it, and are too dishonest and cowardly to own up to it.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

PolitiFact concludes Huffinton's claim half true. Here's the final graph...

"In ruling on Huffington's statement, we find much in the public record to support her statement, most notably the Justice Department lawsuit. Certainly there have been hundreds of millions of dollars that Halliburton's KBR attempted to charge the government that have been denied. Government audits of KBR's work in Iraq will likely continue for some time, and we do not expect a final accounting on these fronts anytime soon. Huffington glossed over some of these points in her back and forth with Liz Cheney. There's also much evidence that makes us believe that hundreds of millions of dollars were lost to waste and inefficiency, not deceitful fraud. So we rate Huffington's statement Half True." http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jun/09/arianna-huffington/halliburton-kbr-and-iraq-war-contracting-history-s/

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Conservative guru Grover Norquist, of Americans for Tax Reform, said the tea party is infusing new life into the Republican cause.

"Many people who are moved by issues but aren't traditional political people can be disruptive and can appear cranky, but the assimilation is good for the GOP," Norquist said. "And you see this especially in primaries, because that is where people who are passionate about issues can take up the fight." http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/27597/20100609/primary-elections.htm

A couple of points. One, note that the piece from which the above is extracted forwards the "Republican women" narrative.

But re the extract, Norquist is forwarding another narrative - tea party as source of "new life" for the party. True insofar as this might mean a new marketing theme. But Norquist is really just forwarding the '94 narrative of fresh faces and non-Washington (always a good one coming from Norquist, the ultimate DC insider).

The big lie in here however is the "assimilation" claim. As we understand now, the tea party crowd is the conservative base. If there is "assimilation", it is most importantly the inclusion of a sector of American political life for which even Buckley had no use.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

@Scott - well, that's fine then isn't it?

Posted by: bernielatham | June 11, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

As Bernie might say, he needs to "try harder" to think outside his dogmatic, ideological patterns.

Obama's priority on a bellicose "foot on the neck" stance with BP -- as well as his overreaching attempt to assign BP liability for his own drilling moratorium -- happens to be counterproductive for stopping and cleaning up the spill, and happens to be needlessly antagonistic to GB at the same time.

This says nothing about ultimately holding BP responsible for that which it is properly held responsible. It is, rather, a matter of effective leadership in crisis, and diplomacy.

Is Bernie unable or simply unwilling to recognize such relevant distinctions? One can "care" about British (or Canadian or Australian) public reaction to, say, the Iraq War without allowing them to dicate what we must do in our national interests.

One can also recognize that it is unwise to handle the Gulf spill crisis in a way that is counterproductive both in stopping and cleaning it up and in needlessly and prematurely antagonizes our ally.

In the Iraq situation, moreover, British public opposition and anger were principally directed at its own government, which joined the US in removing the Hussein regime. Here, Obama is gratuitously antagonizing not only the British public but its government leaders, and not by a foreign venture but by his domestic dealings with one of GB's leading companies.

These things, pace Bernie, are not alike, nor is anyone saying that BP should not be held responsible for the spill. It is a matter of how it is handled.

But Bernie sees only through his ideological lens.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 11, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

From Bernie:

"Brit opinion...isn't relevant to the American right except where it might concur with what the right would like it to be"

This is, naturally, just so much propagandist gibberish. Just as an example, in the lead up to the Iraq war, it was "Brit opinion" that the US operate through the UN, seeking its sanctionl for any action. This was not what the Bush admin wanted to do, but in deference to the political realities faced by Tony Blair in the UK, it acquiesced to this.

Bernie seems to be conflating the ofificial "opinion" of the British government on a given matter, which is what we do and should care about, with the opinons of protest groups on the street, which are less important except insofar as they drive official Brit policy. For example, when he says:

"Where Britain...has protested the US violations of existing treaties..."

...one wonders whether by "Britain" he is referring to the unemployed loons who spend their day in Trafalgar Square harranguing passersby in protest over [insert American policy here], or does he have in mind the actual British government, in which case just which official protest he is talking about? In any event, there is no disconnect or irony in dismissing the anti-American ramblings of some British lunatic spouting on Speakers Corner and at the same time being concerned that a particular American policy will injure the historical relationship between Downing Street and the White House which is has made Britain the US's closest ally for decades.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 11, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama wrecked the Gulf region with his Oil Rig PSYOP, another inside job! Dam Globalist puppet!

REP BACHMANN: OBAMA WORST PRESIDENT in UNITED STATES HISTORY
WEUS 810 AM
June 11, 2010
SHAPIRO: Is President Obama better or worse than Jimmy Carter? BACHMANN: Worse. Easily worse. SHAPIRO: I agree. So far, you’d have to say he’s the worst president in United States history … BACHMANN: No question. No question. Hear other highlights of the interview at Big Government. Follow the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB-DU8VhdZk&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: PaulRevere4 | June 11, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

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