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* Sam Stein unearths another doozy about armed insurrection from Sharron Angle:

"I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems."

So now is it okay to say that this is what she really believes?

* This sounds familar: Anonymous White House officials promise they'll fight to include carbon pricing in energy reform later on, in conference or something. Public option redux?

* Unlike in yesterday's speech, Obama used to have no problem talking openly about climate change.

* But Ezra Klein says, rightly I think, that there was no real way for Obama's speech to succeed, given what success broadly entails in this rather difficult situation.

* And the big "green" groups, which have been extraordinarily relutant to criticize Obama, insist that they're happy with his speech's general vow of big change.

* Good luck with this one: Scott Brown, who's being targeted as a possible Yes on energy reform, gives voice to the emerging GOP message that Dems shouldn't get distracted from fighting the Gulf spill by pushing a "national energy tax."

* This is helpful: Senator Dianne Feinstein calls on Dems to hold off on climate change, echoing the GOP message to the letter:

"The climate bill isn't going to stop the oil leak," said Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat. "The first thing you have to do is stop the oil leak."

* Dems challenge John Boehner to say whether he's willing to support legislation that would accomplish Boehner's goal of holding BP fully accountable.

* John Thune, apparently looking to drive a wedge, tells ABC's Top Line that Obama is losing his grip on Congressional Dems.

* GOP Rep. Steve King doubles down on Obama's pro-black, anti-white "default mechanism."

* And King calls for a national debate about that default mechanism.

* And, finally, the most ominous headline of the day, from McClatchy:

Obama besieged by worsening problems on many fronts

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  |  June 16, 2010; 5:40 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections , Climate change , Happy Hour Roundup , House GOPers , Senate Dems , Senate Republicans  
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White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs offered a noticeably snide dig on Wednesday to cable news critics who claim that the president is being too hands-off with the oil crisis -- specifically MSNBC's Keith Olberman, who harshly criticized Obama's Oval Office address the night before.

"I appreciate the hand on the pulse of America by those who live on cable TV," the press secretary said. "I don't actually think that is where all of real America lives."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/16/gibbs-chides-olbermann-ca_n_614897.html

Note to Olbermann: you deserved it.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

This aint the public option redux. Unlike the public option where many saw it in the administration as peripheral, this they see as essential. We don't see anonymous reports whispering on it being unnecessary. We don't see Rahm going around talking about it being a sliver or being quick to drop it, they KNOW it's essential.

What the conference situation makes sense in the fact that they get a bill through the senate without a carbon cap. Then delay conference until after elections. Then vote. Personally, that's the only way you'll get anywhere close to 60 votes in the senate. The count they have now is 52. That's close but not enough.

Posted by: calchala | June 16, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Reply to Feinstein: The bill is not DESIGNED to stop the leak but to stop us from having to stop the next leak, and the one after that.

Unless she is down on the gulf literally washing off oily pelicans, she needs to work on solutions for the future and near-future.

Pathetic fail.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 16, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

OK, I know this is silly, but on MSNBC today I saw the best crawl line ever:

"For the second time in five months, a car owned by Charlie Sheen was stolen and sent over a cliff."

You just can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 16, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Can we avoid the Public Option Part Deux snark? The post you link to concludes that it's actually not the same thing. I noted in one of Ezra's threads that the analogy isn't even apt between the bills, since the legislative outcome on health care morphed under pressure from events, not as a product of original intent.

Unless of course we're indulging in bloggy paranoia about the fix being in ahead of time and the WH team doesn't really mean what they say about their agenda.

Posted by: fbacon2 | June 16, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The one way that would force the Senate to act would be if the EPA acted on their SCOTUS mandate, and came out with rules regulating carbon.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama simply isn't a leader. Not a chief executive. Not a commander. Greg and the Obama cheerleading squad can't hide this with all their mockery about manliness or ridiculous talk (Bernie) of fascist swagger.

Can anyone imagine Obama captainig a ship? Leading troops? CEO? Construction foreman? How about actually handling a crisis on the ground?

No, of course not. He is Dukakis only taller and multicultural and more glib. After a year and a half of watching his whining and blame shifting, his lecturing and constantly peeved arrogance, his passivity and lack of leadership, the campaign image of transcendant leader has already been exposed as one of the great frauds in election history. He crafted a slick facade that really fooled a lot of people.

Of course, the idolators and true believer ideologues will never stop making excuses for him, but the rest of the country is indeed turning away.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 16, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I all my years I've never seen a president so disrespected. How do we expect the rest of the world to respect our leader when we don't?

Posted by: soapm | June 16, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

@qb1: Obama is a competent centrist.

"but the rest of the country is indeed turning away."

Obama is in about the same place in presidential support as 5 of the last 7 presidents. Your assertions don't constitute facts. Given the horrible set of problems he came into office facing, none of which have pain free solutions, I am suprised he is as popular as he is.

"Can anyone imagine Obama captainig a ship? Leading troops? CEO? Construction foreman? How about actually handling a crisis on the ground?"

I would pick him over Bush, Cheney, McCain, Boehner, McConnel, Kantor, Pence or Palin in a heartbeat to do any of those things better.

Posted by: srw3 | June 16, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Today was Obama's best day since the BP oil spill began.

He got BP to put $20 billion is an ESCROW fund to be given out by a third party.

He got BP to suspend their dividend payments for the rest of the year.

He got BP to donate $100 million to pay for the oil workers who are not working during this 6 month moratorum.

Obama got pretty much all he wanted.

Today was a good day.

Posted by: maritza1 | June 16, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Cachala that probably the ONLY way that a carbon price portion will be in the Energy bill is if the Senate passes an Energy bill in July.

Then after the election the House and the Senate combine the bills in conference and since the election is over perhaps they can get 60 votes.

Posted by: maritza1 | June 16, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

martiza1: you betcha! excellent day!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"So now is it okay to say that this is what she really believes?"

I gotta agree with Angle - I hope no one uses violence against Reid, too!

Posted by: sbj3 | June 16, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"Dems challenge John Boehner to say whether he's willing to support legislation that would accomplish Boehner's goal of holding BP fully accountable."

Boner said, "I think lifting the liability cap on BP and for this spill is appropriate."

BP only, this spill only - that's NOT what the proposed legislation does.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 16, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"BP only, this spill only - that's NOT what the proposed legislation does."

The proposed legislation is not needed for the BP spill.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

QB1:
"Can anyone imagine Obama captainig a ship?"

Well, yes.

I can't see any experienced mariners sailing FOR him, though.
He'd have a bunch of ignorant pollywog moonbats kvetching and snivelling about everything.

They'd be drinking their own urine and resorting to cannibalism within a fortnight.

"Leading troops?"

Only if your definition of "leadership" includes a disembodied voice over a radio from a command bunker in an undisclosed location.

But if by leading you mean actually with the troops in the field...where we have guns...with lots of real bullets for them...and cute little grenades?

No for long.

"Now where DID that AK-47 round come from that gakked the Ell-Tee?
Dang those snipers!"

(Moonbats will be horrified at some "Old School field leadership assessment techniques"...Eh, democracy in it's purest form, "Universal Instant Veto Power" included).

"He is Dukakis only taller and multicultural and more glib."

Yep...that nails him. Dukakis without the substance, or the executive experience.

"After a year and a half of watching his whining and blame shifting, his lecturing and constantly peeved arrogance, his passivity and lack of leadership, the campaign image of transcendant leader has already been exposed as one of the great frauds in election history. He crafted a slick facade that really fooled a lot of people. "

Hey, even the Euros, the most utterly clueless people on the face of the planet,are starting to get wise to the Alleged Hawaiian's game.

Bad sign.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 16, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
" But Ezra Klein says, rightly I think, that there was no real way for Obama's speech to succeed, given what success broadly entails in this rather difficult situation."

Ha-ha-ha!

Ha-ha-ha!

Sour grapes, much?

Even a moonbat with a mind as thoroughly laundered as Ezra Klein can't pretend that the Alleged Hawaiian's speech was anything but a dud.

But rather than lay the blame for the epic Oval Office FAIL at his Messiah's feet, he blames the "difficult situation" for his Beloved Master's failure.

Ha-ha-ha! Silly Kleine moonbat!

People care about the spill as in why the Odministration has been so inept, and when is BeePee going to pay for the tourists who won;t be down to not eat the seafood that won't be caught.

Nobody GAS about climate change legislation, carbon taxes, and the Unicorn Fart-powered Chrysler Initiative but idiot eco-moonbats and paid flacks for Chavez, the Saudis and the Russians.

POTUS...Puddin'head Of The United States.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 16, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

soap, all your years would have to be less than two. There isn't a more ridiculous statement you could make. And if you were old enough to remember Bush 41 you would remember Tom Oliphant drawing him with a purse until after the Gulf War.

You inhabit a fantasy world.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 16, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I see the ignorant racist bilgey is having another of his meth induced rants.

tell me bilge you ignorant racist, when is the oil just going to wash back out to sea!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Bilge, yeah I realized after I types that sitting in an airport that maybe I had shortchanged Dukakis by forgetting that he had actually been Governor of the PRM while Obama never ran anything but his mouth.

When I refer to leading troops for example I don't even mean to denigrate his physical courage, although Obama is a big of a pansy and is what the moonbats call a chickenhawk. He just doesn't command respect. He shirks responsibility. He inspires no sense that he has judgment, knows what to do, and will lead everyone through tough times. And he can't fake it. Not the first empty suit president, but the illusion has been broken.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 16, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

From a reader comment at TPM:

"The 20 billion fund should be viewed as a huge accomplishment for Obama. He had no actual power to compel that aside from moral suasion and the threat of having an unhappy president. Legally, BP could have just waited for the lawsuits and drawn the whole thing out for years. As a lawyer, I find it a unique and mind-boggling accomplishment.

It reminds me a little of something that happened during the Hurrican Rita evacuation. It was going to slowly and endangering the evacuees. Houston Mayor Bill White got on the phone to the Texas Department of Highways. He said, "make all the lanes of I.H. 45 one way north for the first hundred miles from the coast--the southbound traffic can find another route." He had no power to order that. But the officials just complied. He acted like a man in charge.

So, Obama comes along, says "set up a 20 billion fund, have an independent administrator in charge, and start paying damages." He had no power to order that. But BP said, "yes, sir." And it was done.

We shouldn't be nitpicking the particulars of it."

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 16, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

A chickenhawk would be fat lard like Gingrich or a little weasel like Kristol that talk tough about war with anyone non-Christian.

Obama just deals with who he has to without beating his chest like Bush asking the enemy to bring it on and end up blowing up 3000+ more of our troops.

Big diff.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

QB1:
"Not the first empty suit president, but the illusion has been broken."

For smart people, there was never an illusion to break.

For sane or sober people, the illusion has been broken.

These glazed-eye moonbats are only nominally "people"...ergo, they still BELIEVE, even if they know that there's nothing left to believe IN.

"Quand tout c'est perdu, sauve l'honneur"

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 16, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

BGin, not only does he secure the 20 billion on top of their liability to clean up the mess, they've suspended their dividend payouts which means they won't be depleting much needed capital for the escrow account.

I notice any time Obama accomplishes something substantial, the right wingers fire up all the tired Dukakis, empty suit, Carter, etc. comparisons.

In the mean time, emissions standards have become stricter, CAFE standards will be increasing substantially, the economy was brought back from the brink, he helped save the U.S. auto industry, investments in renewables where almost quadrupled in the stimulus along with a massive extension of rail in the U.S. and improvements to our infrastructure which will have long term affects on intra-commerce, almost all U.S. citizens will have access to affordable insurance, the Supreme Court will be more demographically diverse, etc, etc etc.

But hey, if the Dukakis comparisons keep you happy in your little world, then go right ahead. The rest of us will be enjoying a better America as a result of his competent leadership which was augmented by his ability to bring on board many more Dems into the House/Senate as a result of being down ticket during the 2008 campaign.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Mike, they can't hear you with their fingers in their ears and, for some, sh't for brains.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 16, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

and that's with only half a term.

He got his big initiatives passed.

Who was the last President to get any of their big ticket items they ran on passed?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"Big diff."

Right, because you say so. Obama was doing drugs and writing anti-defense tripe when he was of age.

Then he beat his chest throughout the campaign about how he would fight the "right" war with real war-making zeal.

The creep even had the nerve to mock John McCain for supposedly not having the courage to fight bin Laden.

You recall that illustrious chicken-hawk moment from Obama?

It's really ironic seeing mike accuse other people of being racists, btw, since mike is a racist.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 16, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"Who was the last President to get any of their big ticket items they ran on passed?"

LOLOL

You do know he had supermajorities? Duh.

Oh, he was able to raise cafe standards? No kidding! That's a titanic accomplishment.

"the economy was brought back from the brink, he helped save the U.S. auto industry"

Oh please, your capacity to believe your party's bs propoganda is unlimited.

"sh't for brains" -- yep, that's you two.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 16, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

qb, you aren't racist I don't believe. bilge is and deserves being called one. The guy is a cretin.

McCain deserved to be mocked. He said we wouldn't go after al-qaeda in Pakistan when in fact that appears to be working and Pakistan is going along with it. It was the right call and McCain was either misinformed by Scheunerman that it was not feasible or that Pakistan wouldn't corporate. Not sure which. Whatever it was, him and his advisers were wrong.

Projecting confidence is one thing, nonchalantly wanting to go to war with anyone is another. I never hear Kristol or the rest of those chicken hawks referring to the sacrifices of our troops when they flippantly speak of unilateral attacks on other countries.

I can see a difference between the two. I don't think we'll ever agree on it so be it.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

srw,

Obama's ratings have taken a plunge beyond the norm. Not much question about that, and it is the more remarkable given the sychophantic press and the millenial triumphalism with which he was ushered in.

"Given the horrible set of problems he came into office facing, none of which have pain free solutions, I am suprised he is as popular as he is."

Speaking of opinions not being facts, this idea of Obama's facing unprecedented disaster upon taking office is nothing but liberal Democrat mythology.

Bush inherited a recession and the aftermath of the collapse of the tech bubble and stock market, and faced 911 eight months in.

Reagan faced a significantly worse economic situation, the hostage crisis, oil chaos, and the very height of the Cold War.

Nixon inherited the Vietnam War and domestic crisis well beyond Obama in the form of riots, the aftermath of assassinations, etc.

True, Clinton inherited not much but a growing economy, although he lied shamelessly about during the campaign.

Give it a rest with the Obama, Savior of the World schtick.

"I would pick him over Bush, Cheney, McCain, Boehner, McConnel, Kantor, Pence or Palin in a heartbeat to do any of those things better."

Which I assume is not a strong endorsement, coming from you. But in any event. either you are pulling everyone's leg or are very lacking in judgment.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 16, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I noticed you left out the other things which I can only take as being an acknowledgment of them being a significant accomplishment.

Glad we could agree on something.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

mike & BG, while Obama didn't have legal precedent to demand the escrow agreement from BP, he did have leverage. With their stock sliding and the downgrade in rating, they really needed to quell the nervousness of investors, and that is why they had to agree. This agreement provides at least some certainty while not descimating them financially. Much more slippage in their stock value, or a downgrading to junk status would make them a target for a hostile takeover. They would do dang near anything to avoid that at this point.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Mayonnaise Mike the White Separatist from Aryanton:

Hello, my little moonbat Anti-Mandela! It's late, but I would not begrudge you your daily ration of abuse.

"BGin, not only does he secure the 20 billion on top of their liability to clean up the mess, they've suspended their dividend payouts which means they won't be depleting much needed capital for the escrow account."

Woo-hoo! Yay Team Obama!

Uhhh, except that watch they'll take that off their taxes as a charitable contribution.

Now if the IRS balks, they'll take it into court, and years from now the courts will likely give them some back tax relief.

And here's the part that you have utterly failed to realize, since you apparently aren;t in the habit of thinking three or four steps ahead of where your hooves are at the moment.

When gasoline and diesel fuel go to 10 bucks a gallon, they'll make that 20 billion back inside of a year...maybe less.

Read what they made in 2009 4Q and on the year:

"The company announced that underlying replacement cost profit for the fourth quarter of 2009, before non-operating items and fair value accounting effects, was $4.4 billion – an increase of 70 per cent on the same period in 2008. Full year replacement cost profit for 2009 was $14 billion, down 45 per cent on the record full year profit of 2008, mainly reflecting the weaker market environment of lower average oil and gas prices and depressed refining margins. "

from:

http://www.bp.com/extendedgenericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7059471

Got that, little honkie rent-boy?
In 2009, with gasoline averaging "only" about $2.50 on the year, they socked away 14 billion dollars.

Now in 2008, BeePee raked in 25 billion bucks, because of the "skyrocketing" price of fuels,(remember $4.00 a gallon gasoline?).

So don't break your own arm while you high-five the Obama Fathead on your bedroom wall.

Those boys at BeePee are going to make their money back, and profit, from The Alleged Hawaiian's moratorium and it's effect on gasoline prices.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 16, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's ratings have taken a plunge beyond the norm."

He's about where Reagan was so that must not be all that bad.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124922/Presidential-Job-Approval-Center.aspx

A tech bubble is nothing compared to an over leveraged country, both personal and financial institutions in which regular commerce was a result of borrowed money. Companies and individuals are still deleveraging which is resulting in lower spending.

Our financial institutions were basically insolvent and cries for the President to take over what people like Arianna Huffington and Krugman were calling Zombie banks were deafening. Instead, the admin held steady were able to, along with the Feds help, stabilize the housing market to a certain extent, which in tern has improved confidence in our financial sectors.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

sue, do you think this will stabilize their stock price? Methinks it might. If so, win/win.

The trolls wishing they had a Bush/Cheney instead of this kind of work on this problem is hilarious. Bush would do a tour of the region, fall off his mountain bike, and then mispronounce a bunch of hard words. Cheney would just snarl and tell everyone to suck it, "accidents happen."

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 16, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Bilgey the white supremacist honkey said:

"Uhhh, except that watch they'll take that off their taxes as a charitable contribution."

lies

You think I want BP to go under? I could give a crap. I just want the residents of the gulf to be compensated. I don't revel in BP getting stuck with the bill.

It's only right they get stuck with the bill. It's only business.

The only nut jobs that get emotional are white supremacist racists such as yourself in one of your meth induced rages.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

BG: "do you think this will stabilize their stock price? Methinks it might. If so, win/win."

At least in the short term, yes. Their stock opened this morning at $29.90, and closed at $31.85, with the rise coming right after the escrow announcement. After hours trade at $32.11, so the stability is already manifesting.

There is nothing the stock traders and investors hate more than uncertainty. Now they know they are dealing with $20b (for now) and no dividends for a year. That buys BP time, which they desperately needed.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I really think we should start our campaign now to nominate Bilgey to run for President under the new Confederate Party. He can promise everyone that he sees the future and it's not pretty so we might as well just give up now and hand over all our money to the oil rig workers relief fund before we perish. And since he knows absolutely everything there is to know about any subject under the sun and needs no assistance from anyone to govern we might as well just jump of the nearest bridge into the oil swamp that used to be called the GOM. He can spend eternity with his little groupy qb because they're the only two "real men" left in the world.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 16, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's because it's late, and maybe it's because I'm tired, or maybe it's just that I've had a bad day. . . but all of you keep telling me to ignore the Bilgeman and his hate-filled rants, suck it up and just scroll past him. If you read back through this thread it seems that at least half of it is Bilgeman tripe and then people responding to him. There is NO worthwhile conversation going on.

Posted by: Michigoose | June 16, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

kelley, that was me giving up. I can't speak for anyone else. I'm reading the oildrum and other sites and commenting less and less here. I'm tired of it as well although I did support his right to free speech, pretty soon he'll be the only one left.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 16, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I tried to ignore him and suggested banning him but since WaPo has decided not to enforce this "personal attacks or other inappropriate comments or material will be removed from the site" I've decided not to ignore his bigoted badgering and badger him back.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 16, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

You know what I find curious? I just don't understand why posters who have such great disdain for Greg, think he's an idiot, etc. etc. would come here day after day, hour after hour, and reward him with page view after page view after page view. All their clicks on this blog count as WaPo site traffic, and I'm sure WaPo is keeping track of how much traffic is generated from The Plum Line. They are helping him while hating him. Seems very odd to me. One might say dysfunctional.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 16, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, lms, you three are three of the folks that I'm going to miss, too. I've been spending time on TOD as well--although I'm not remotely qualified to post there it's absolutely fascinating to read, and the diagrams are mind-blowing--as well as a couple of different political blogs. I've noticed that CTVoter and sgwhite don't hang around much, either. The good comments made by good commenters are being drowned out. There are far more good ones than bad, but the bad get too much traffic.

Posted by: Michigoose | June 17, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

BP put out a press release of their understanding of the agreement reached today with the government. No surprises, but a bit more detail.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/06/about_the_fund.php#more?ref=fpblg

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 17, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

This will surprise no one:

House Conservatives Call Escrow Account 'Chicago Style Shakedown'

The Republican Study Committee, a group of conservative members of the House, released a statement today calling the $20 billion BP escrow account a "Chicago-style political shakedown."

The full statement:

We all agree that BP should be held fully responsible for its complicity in the oil tragedy in the Gulf," said Chairman Price. "In fact, BP has already begun paying claims. Any attempt by the company to sidestep that responsibility should be met with the strongest legal recourses available. However, in an administration that appears not to respect fundamental American principles, it is important to note that there is no legal authority for the President to compel a private company to set up or contribute to an escrow account.

BP's reported willingness to go along with the White House's new fund suggests that the Obama Administration is hard at work exerting its brand of Chicago-style shakedown politics. These actions are emblematic of a politicization of our economy that has been borne out of this Administration's drive for greater power and control. It is the same mentality that believes an economic crisis or an environmental disaster is the best opportunity to pursue a failed liberal agenda. The American people know much better.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 17, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

sue, the WH should aid the "study group" (yeah, keep studying) in disseminating that release far and wide.

I can't BELIEVE the American people would think that the escrow plan is a "shakedown"! Seriously? The Dems need to go on the offensive, and this again reminds me how tone deaf, no, STUPID, Feinstein and others are acting right now. This is NOT business as usual. The Senate needs to get out of its narcissistic loop and do the work of the people.

I wish Pelosi and the House could swing more weight in this kind of fight.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 17, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Kelley, I'll still check in and comment occasionally, I'm just trying to make better use of my time. The oildrum is going to be a great place to gather information on peak oil, it's what they're really about, as I'm sure you've discovered. I was happy to hear the President mention the diminishing returns regarding fossil fuels last night and I think as more people become aware of the scientific basis for a transition to renewables, we'll all become more aware of our individual responsibility to consume less.

It's funny after hearing everyone complain about Obama being weak, the word of the day was "limp", when he gets something substantial done re BP's financial accountability, suddenly he's a Chicago bully. Ironic and funny, but dangerous as well. They literally have no shame.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 17, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

And Sue, thanks for all the great links everyday, I for one really appreciate your eagle eye. I used to do more links, but have less time lately, so thanks.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 17, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

lms, hang in there and hope to hear from you. Your presence here is very much appreciated.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 17, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Ims, you're welcome. I also hate to see you go. And Michigoose Kelley, that goes for you, too!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 17, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Finally, Finally…I’ve been looking for this information for a long time. Thanks

Posted by: andeeaa | June 17, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

"Obama besieged by worsening problems on many fronts"

Reflecting the fact that Obama is choosing to tackle problems head on, instead of letting them fester as George W. did.

Posted by: rhallnj | June 17, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

@Ims - You aren't allowed to leave. Reduced frequency, understandable and I'll permit it.

"It's funny after hearing everyone complain about Obama being weak, the word of the day was "limp", when he gets something substantial done re BP's financial accountability, suddenly he's a Chicago bully. Ironic and funny, but dangerous as well. They literally have no shame."

No, they really do not, for the most part. The similarity between their value system and the corporate value system is pretty striking.

Corporations' duty is to produce profits (it's not to make the world a better place). The modern Republican party's duty is to gain power (it's not to make the world a better place - government cannot do that, axiomatically).

Posted by: bernielatham | June 17, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Honkie Separatist Federal slave from Aryanton:
"You think I want BP to go under? I could give a crap. I just want the residents of the gulf to be compensated."

Somehow, I think your not giving a crap extends to the residents of the Gulf also.
You're remarkably hateful towards non-Aryantonians...nothing but "RACISTS" out in Manassas and suchlike, according to you.

"I don't revel in BP getting stuck with the bill."

Sure you do.

"It's only right they get stuck with the bill. It's only business."

It depends on what is being compensated for.
Legitimate claims for losses and damages caused by the spill is one thing.

Lost wages and business from the moratorium is something else altogether. The moratorium was NOT caused by the spill but by Salazar's over-reaction and the Alleged Hawaiian's politics.
If BeePee is squeezed to compensate for that, that ISN'T "business", that's extortion by the government...are you so far gone that you don't realize the sinister turn that that is?

"The only nut jobs that get emotional are white supremacist racists such as yourself in one of your meth induced rages."

Oh please! Your fellow cattle see an oily pelican and have a group moonbat bum-out, and would happily legislate this country back into economic ruin,(although you're too ignorant to realize it...and too emotional to care).

I got a kick out of slavezkoo1 the other night telling me how oilfield workers should "not be stuck in the past" and get down and "embrace the "change"...and then she gushed all weepy over some alleged Cajun weekend hobby fisherman who allegedly cried,(what IS it with Louisianans and making crybaby on the TeeVee?), when he allegedly heard the Alleged Hawaiian talk about the Blessing of the Fleet.

Oil workers must change their way of life and their careers, according to eco-moonbattery, but God forbid that an oysterman has to give up his tongs, or that a shrimper puts down his beer-can,(you should see them navigate).

Moonbat....PLEASE!

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 17, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Prior to Obama's next address, I'd like to hear each pundit jot down two or three things they think they should hear or the speech will be a failure.

After this last one, I read at least 5-6 pundits write something about no mention of climate change, he didn't say this, he didn't say that.

Here's what I think goes on. There's one or two of them out there that are considered conversation drivers and the rest of the talking heads latch onto two or three phrases and tweet it out or include it in their commentary as if they are having some novel idea when in fact they are incapable of thinking for themselves.

I suppose that's what you get when seasoned journalists get crowded out by hundreds of amateurs. It reminds me of that Ladders job hunting web site where the tennis pro goes out into the court and hundreds of people rush the court with rackets who have no idea how to play and just make everyone look like an ass.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 17, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

It is a pretty rare occurrence that I might find cause to fault EJ's thinking. But I can't help but thinky that he (and many others) are missing the most fundamental reason why the phenomena he describes in today's column are happening.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/16/AR2010061604169.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Whether we look at Palin or the Tea Party or the national profile of people like Bachmann or calls for insurgency built upon completely irrational conspiracy theories or the constant counter-efforts against any Dem administration, not a single one of these things would be part of our political world or would not be anywhere near the magnitude we witness now if it weren't for talk radio and FOX.

Perhaps this goes unmentioned (or unperceived) because people feel there is nothing that can be done about it.

But if nothing is done about it, what is up the road? To the degree that this propaganda model continues to be successful, it will not merely continue but expand (as we've seen it do already). More media entities will be bought up or will be created or will be compromised.

Solutions to this, in the context of US culture, might not be easy to come by but let's not pretend that if some solution is not devised this will just go away. As the right is fond of saying now, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. But once again, they might be completely wrong.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 17, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

mike,

Regardless of what you think of Bilgeman, imo you are not someone who is any position to call anyone a racist or cretin.

As usual, your memory of Obama's mockery of McCain distorted and confused, conveniently so. Mocking McCain -- in Obama's supremely condescending way -- for supposedly not having the courage to "follow bin laden to the cave" he lives in was a chicken-hawk moment that can never ever be topped.

Obama didn't just debate a point of strategy but instead tried to pose as a tough, aggressive war leader as opposed to the wimpy and cowardly old McCain. If you saw it, you know that's exactly what he tried to do, and it was a perfectly obscene illustration of this man's poor character.

"Projecting confidence is one thing, nonchalantly wanting to go to war with anyone is another."

That's nothing but an idle bit of rhetoric. No one fits that description except in your extremist imagination.

"I never hear Kristol or the rest of those chicken hawks referring to the sacrifices of our troops when they flippantly speak of unilateral attacks on other countries."

Yes, your hearing is quite selective and distorted.

Your side decided to define any Republican who didn't serve but who supports any war as a chickenhawk, which is remarkable given that you did it after giving us the draft dodger Clinton and have now given us another chickenhawk in Obama.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 17, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

lmsinca,

"He can spend eternity with his little groupy qb because they're the only two "real men" left in the world."

Which again shows how poorly you read.

You know how much your respect means to me, right? Yes, that much.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 17, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Once again to all the liberal whiners and complainers trying to get Bilgeman banned:

You are hypocrites, every one of you. When I first came here to ask Greg some questions about accusations he was making, I was immediately descended upon by liberals personally attacking me and calling me ridiculous names.

And it has never stopped. I especially love how so many of you were sad Tena left, since she was one of the most vulgar and abusive commenters ever.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 17, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

All, morning roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/the_morning_plum_32.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 17, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised that liberals don't understand the difference between executive leadership and lawless "bullying"?

I've said that for weeks. Obama's problem really wasn't lack of angry ass kicking. It was lack of fundamental leadership, which remains his problem.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 17, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

As I said above, as this propaganda model proves successful, it will expand and be duplicated. Here's "Fox News North"... http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/16/canadian-billionaire-fox-north/

Posted by: bernielatham | June 17, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

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