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McConnell: Response to spill should undermine our faith in government

It was inevitable that Republicans would move from criticizing Obama's specific response to the spill to making the case that it should undermine our faith in government in general.

And that's exactly what Mitch McConnell has now done, in response to Obama's announcement over the weekend of 50 billion in emergency aid to state and local governments:

"Democrats are showing either that they just don't get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just don't care. Right now, among other challenges, we have a debt crisis, a jobs crisis, a housing crisis, a financial crisis, and an oil spill that the American people clearly don't believe government is effectively responding to. So you can understand the American people's skepticism when they're told that simply adding more government is the solution to government's previous failures."

As I've been noting here regularly, the paradox of the spill is that even as it dramatically illustrates the need for more effective Federal regulations, not to mention energy reform, the government's inability to stop the spill risks undermining Obama's larger project of restoring faith in government's competence.

This shouldn't be the case -- dismay at the inability to stop the spill shouldn't have any bearing on the question of whether the Federal government should take steps in advance to prevent such clamaties from ever happening again. But McConnell, clearly, is now trying to encourage this dynamic.

Expect more along these lines.

By Greg Sargent  |  June 14, 2010; 11:51 AM ET
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Comments

I'll just copy/paste my post at the bottom of the previous thread since it has bearing on this:

The Republican Party is obviously only interested in distracting from the fact that their position is that the people of the Gulf should suck up the costs of billions upon billions of dollars in damages. That is quite clearly UNACCEPTABLE.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 14, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I would guess Obama's address that's coming up this week will be aimed at this. He needs to make it clear that CAUSES of this disaster DO lie with the government, but with a specific, deregulatory approach to government. The GOP needs to stay on the hook for that.

Or, as Pelosi said: We'll stop blaming Bush and the GOP when the consequences of their actions are over.

David Plouffe, your summer vacation is finished. Get to work.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 14, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Right Wingers "Drowned Government In A Bathtub", and now have the nerve to complaint about it been dead.

Republicans are like the guy who killed both his parents, and then started crying because he had been made an Orphan.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

While the oil spill may have shaken some people's faith in government it should have more so shaken people's faith in the oil companies who promised us drilling was safe and that they were fully prepared to deal with any problems. It should also shake the faith in Republicans who echoed that nonesense whilst shouting (and sometimes singing) "Drill Baby Drill"

It always amuses me when somebody who has been in the government for as long as McConnell has and is in a leadership position talks about how terrible the governemnt is. By that logic he himself shouldn't be trusted and the people of Kentucky should have bounced him out the last election cycle. Or better yet he should resign.

Oh and not for nothing but I wonder if he spoke those same words after Katrina. See the government for "conservatives" like him is only a bad thing when they aren't in power. FOH

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | June 14, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Ask Mitch McConnell why he is saying that what a Private Corporation did to the Gulf Coast, should cause people to no longer trust The Military, The Fire Depts, and The Police Depts.

The Gulf Oil Chernobyl was perpetrated by Private Enterprise, and yet, Mitch wants to use their criminal negligence, to tear down the Government,even more that Republicans have already done.

Rand Paul, and Mitch McConnell, A Fine Pair Of Bluegrass Nihilists.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:

Since when did having "faith in government" become a prerequisite?

How much faith in government did you have when George Bush was the President?

If you read the Founders, it's pretty clear that whatever faith they had in government was grudging at best.

Put your faith in God, not in government.

Government is a mob of people sticking a gun that you bought for them in your ear to take your belongings.

George Washington had it right.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 14, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Put your faith in God".

That Imaginary Creature has not done much to prevent earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flash floods, Tsunamis etc.

Put You Faith In Grizzly Palin's African Witch Doctor Spell Casting. That Is The Only Way To Work Modern Day Miracles.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Why Do Republicans Love and Protect A Foreign Criminal Enterprise, and hate the hard working people of the Gulf Coast?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are like the guy who killed both his parents, and then started crying because he had been made an Orphan."

Amen.

Absolutely Obama should have cleaned house at minerals management earlier and done more. But imagine if he'd gone to Congress, asking them for the power to break up the enforcement and revenue arms of MMA to get rid of the conflict of interest. I'm sure McConnell would have been wonderfully supportive of this regulatory effort.

McConnell is the jerk who ties your shoelaces together and then makes fun of you for falling. Unreal.

Posted by: theorajones1 | June 14, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

You have to admire the sheer audacity of Republican hypocrisy. To protect the oil industry from government regulation that might prevent it from continuing to drill without supervision off our shores, Republicans attack the competence of government to adequately undo the environmental disaster created by an unregulated oil industry operating off our shores. It's beautiful in its own perfectly evil way.

Posted by: TedFrier | June 14, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

My final word on the call for banning someone from the blog.

I am a firm believer in giving the widest possible latitude, when it comes to free speech. I see no reason to ban Birther Bilgey, just because I disagree with every thing he stands for.

Just scroll past his comments. His repetitive opening lines, make it very easy for you to always identify his posts, which makes it easy to scroll past them.

I did not like what was done to Sinead O'Connor, or the Dixie Chicks, when they spoke their minds, and they have since been proven right, with regard to how the Vatican operates, and the stupidity of Invading Iraq.

Just because what someone says, makes you mad, is no reason to ban them.

Bilgey and I will probably never agree on anything, but I will fight for his right to speak his mind.

Let Bilgey be Bilgey. Let him rave on.

This is my last word on the subject. I hate censorship, even when it is being used against my harshest critics.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

A week back the rethugs like jindal were whining about 'inadequate' gobinment support. This week it's too much gobinment from this rethug. And yet the pathetic media laps it up. Media will be and is the root cause of the american state.

Posted by: amkeew | June 14, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: Isn't it just a bit hypocritical to complain about McConnell pointing out that the American people don't believe government is effectively responding to the spill, when in your last post, you implied praise for "Dem Senate leaders [because they] recognize they have a winning issue on their hands and intend to press the point?"

Posted by: sbj3 | June 14, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Liam - Then Greg should remove the chest thumping disclaimer at the bottom of this page.

Posted by: amkeew | June 14, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Shorter McConnell: "Vote for us. We'll do less."

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 14, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I tend to lean in Liam's direction on this. Not sure that anything that stops short of outright threats of violence or overt racism/anti-semitism/gay-bashing and the like merits getting blocked.

But I'd like to hear from others on this.

Posted by: sargegreg | June 14, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Agree with Liam. Ignore but don't censor.

Also agree with this: "Media will be and is the root cause of the american state."

OK, maybe a bit hyperbolic, but if the media started to admit that the GOP emperor has no clothes, maybe honesty and shame would get us a better class of politics. More hard work and courage in the media, please.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 14, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

This post from Benen is related and interesting:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_06/024238.php

"Last month, NRCC Recruitment Chair Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said that some leading Republicans have told him privately that they want to make gains -- but not enough to actually get a majority. This attitude is apparently more widespread than I'd expected.

Republicans have been engaging in some premature drape-measuring for a few months in anticipation of winning back control of the House of Representatives. Some top GOP aides privately admit that they got ahead of themselves.

Turns out, not all Republicans are rooting for their own to win the House.

"I want Republicans to make massive gains but I want them to fall one vote short of taking the House," said Ari Fleischer, White House press secretary to President George W. Bush. "I want to see more evidence that Republicans are ready to govern. I want to see more substance, particularly on what spending they will cut."

Rep. Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who has been tasked with recruiting candidates by House Minority Leader John Boehner, confirmed that this view is held by numerous party operatives and leaders, though none in Congress.

There are apparently a variety of factors driving this motivation -- including the notion that President Obama would be more likely to win a second term if he ran against a GOP House -- but the core concern seems to be that governing next year will be hard, and their proposed cuts might spark a backlash, so Republicans might as well let Dems worry about doing the heavy lifting."

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 14, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Slave sargegreg:
"But I'd like to hear from others on this"

Hey, I told you already that I;d be prefectly fine with changing the "Report Abuse" link to read "Ban Bilgeman".

And btw, can I get in contact with your Comment Moderation Coolie through the WashPest?

Maybe I'll send him or her some fudge:

http://www.gethsemanifarms.org/fudge.aspx

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 14, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

sbj:

"Isn't it just a bit hypocritical to complain about..."

Ya think?

It's truly astounding to listen to Greg and the sheeple here go on and on about how Obama and the Dems need to use this accident to make hay in pressing their political agenda, but become critical of R's who do the same thing.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 14, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"I'd like to hear from others on this."

Don't ban anyone.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 14, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The "sheep" are "making hay"?

Come on, Scott, let's watch the mixed metaphors.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 14, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The real pernicious disease in Modern America

Professional Lobbyists.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Soul-less slave Liamility:
"That Imaginary Creature has not done much to prevent earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, flash floods, Tsunamis etc."

Why do you think that He's supposed to?

People choose to live where these things happen, and then weirdos like you take it as a sign that God is negligent or non-existent when it happens?

Riiiiiight.

The only thing "Imaginary" around here is your means of transportation.

Again, do you personally own and operate an automobile?

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 14, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Mr. McConnell's party was instrumental in GUTTING the oil regulatory agencies and filling them with lackeys...

...and then criticizing them for their poor performance.

He's both disingenuous and corrupt.

Posted by: vigor | June 14, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. No censorship. The community will tend its own. I've learned to skip Bilgey and QB's posts.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 14, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not for banning either. Colorful language and name calling has existed here since I showed up last August. Why change now? If you don't like it, just ignore it. And it seems like a pretty slippery slope to me.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that McConnell's pitch above will continue to work much longer if it is working now for anyone outside the conservative base. It's one thing to make the abstract claim that "government is the problem" during a period of relative prosperity but it is quite another thing to insist to citizens that their only hope in a crisis is God or some for profit corporation. People pretty generally understand that it is their government who has their back in a crisis.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 14, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Banning for the sorts of extreme ugly that Greg mentions is perfectly fine with me. But that's it.

We really do have effective power in ignoring posters who are non-contributory. It just takes the discipline to ignore (not reading really helps, folks).

Posted by: bernielatham | June 14, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm for banning after a warning. This poster has shown a consistent penchant for name-calling and insults. Warn him, then ban him if he doesn't stop.

The Republican Party is ONLY interested in deflecting away from the SUBSTANCE of the oil spill issue. You can see it in EVERYTHING they do and say.

Please keep us informed on any modifications to the GOP's take on the damages/cap issue and also keep us informed about Obama's performance this week. We CANNOT be dragged into a food-fight during this most critical of weeks.

Please keep it on the substance of what is happening with regard to the spill, the cap, and Obama's efforts to address the situation.

This is NOT a politics fight, this is a POLICY fight. Let's remember that this week.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 14, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

It seems inconsistent to campaign on "drill baby drill" then after the worst environmental consequence of that mentality, to try to make any such argument stick. BP is not exactly popular right now and the only thing standing between them and us is the government. What the government can and should do is something we could debate, but not the fact that big business has run amok.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 14, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I've complained in the past and complained again on Friday specifically about Bilgeman and forwarded the complaint to Greg when the "Report abuse" button proved to be worthless. I don't want to ban Bilgeman (or any of the others) forever and always, but I object strongly to (1) the constant use of the term "Slave" as a salutation, and (2) posting nothing but a long, hate and slur-filled rant that contributes nothing to the conversation. All of these people have valid points to make and all of them (even Bilgeman on Saturday) can make them without resorting to hate-filled posts. Scrolling past them IS a work-around occasionally, but when the very first thing below the Sponsored Links box starts out with "Slave Sargent" it drives me--and I imagine others--right off the site. I don't contribute much myself, but I try to stay civil. Much more of the hate and I'm out of here for good, which will be probably my loss, but Greg's (and all of ours) when we've never heard from people to start out with because the hate drove them away the first time they landed here.

Posted by: Michigoose | June 14, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Well look at this.

Two consecutive threads of Moonbat Bandemonium.

It's a wonderful sign in that the peanut gallery really cannot come up with a cogent argument and is reduced to stamping their feet and screaming:

"Shut UP!"

And inciting criminal violence when their tantrums are ignored.

(right, latenightmoonbat?)

Off to the Kiddies' Table with you youngsters, now...

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 14, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Put your faith in God, not in government.

Posted by: Bilgeman

=========================================

let your children be molested by priests ???

give your money to an organization that protects child molesters ???

or maybe we should follow ted haggard's god, and give our money to ted, so he can spend it on male prostitutes and meth

or maybe the god of mark foley, mark sanford, john ensign, david vitter, and the rest of the republican moral majority

if the choice is between god and government, I'll choose GOVERNMENT

Posted by: nada85484 | June 14, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"...either [Republicans] just didn't get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just didn't care. Right now, among other challenges, we have a debt crisis, a jobs crisis, a housing crisis, a financial crisis..."
____________

I find this simply hilarious!

Republicans couldn't borrow and spend enough, AND THEY CAUSED THE "DEBT CRISIS" the "JOB CRISES" and the "HOUSING CRISIS", now they want to preach!

Here's my advice to the wildly inept Mitch McConnel: Stay out of the White House and let the adults handle this.

What a complete moron!


Posted by: lindalovejones | June 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

wbg:

"The "sheep" are "making hay"?

Nope...read it again. Obama/the dems are "making hay", encouraged by Greg and his loyal sheeple.

No mixed metaphor there.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Put your faith in God, not in government.

Posted by: Bilgeman

=========================================

let your children be molested by priests ???

give your money to an organization that protects child molesters ???

or maybe we should follow ted haggard's god, and give our money to ted, so he can spend it on male prostitutes and meth

or maybe the god of mark foley, mark sanford, john ensign, david vitter, and the rest of the republican moral majority

if the choice is between god and government, I'll choose GOVERNMENT

Posted by: nada85484 | June 14, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargant is not a slave.

No one ever should call him that.

He consentingly and fully VOLUNTEERED for his wrong-headed, insane liberal kneepads and pom-poms.

Totally different from being a slave (except maybe in the S&M sense of the word).

You can rant and rave all you want. Mitch McConnell has a winning argument here.

Posted by: etpietro | June 14, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Bilge, did it ever occur to you (what am I thinking--of course it did!) that using the term "Slave" as a salutation might not be the most appreciated word in this country. People fought a war over this.

Posted by: Michigoose | June 14, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Like everything else of any consequence in this world there are no simple answers. I disagree with McConnel 99.8% of the time and think he is a weasel. But in this case there is indeed some truth to his screed. If we are to funnel 50 billion dollars to the region it had darn sure come with some real oversight and control. We have ample historical data from the past decade to see that throwing money at a problem without a plan is foolish and wasteful and will leave us with as big or a bigger mess (see Iraq reconstrucion, Afghanistan nation building, New Orleans rebuilding, the banks, Wall Street, etc.). A second but related point. While I am sympathetic to the plight of those living along the Gulf Coast we must remember that they -- the residents of the coast -- made a conscious decision to elect folks who are pro-oil, anti-environment, anti-government, --- they helped to elect the anti-regulation pro-oil Bush administration --- and there ought to be a debate on how much the rest of us should have to pay for their incorrect choices. Hell even as the oil poisons their fish and defiles their wetlands and beaches their politicians are demanding that oil production come back on line.

Posted by: army164 | June 14, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

OK, Scott, my tongue is out of my cheek now.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 14, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

This much is certain...The Post is working overtime to spin the fact that Status Quobama HAD AMPLE TIME to shake up the MMS for which he dind't act, didn't do his homework when it came to approving MORE OF THE SAME drilling in Alaska and Virginia, took more in BP donations THAN ANY OTHER candidate in the 2008 election and ultimately FAILED TO ADEQUATELY RESPOND to this crisis. But somehow this translates into the GOP's problem, right? I guess we'll guage that sentiment in November...

Posted by: Digitalman08 | June 14, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"...either [Republicans] just didn't get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just didn't care. Right now, among other challenges, we have a debt crisis, a jobs crisis, a housing crisis, a financial crisis..."
____________

I find this simply hilarious!

Republicans couldn't borrow and spend enough, AND THEY CAUSED THE "DEBT CRISIS" the "JOB CRISES" and the "HOUSING CRISIS", now they want to preach!

Here's my advice to the wildly inept Mitch McConnell: Stay out of the White House and let the adults handle this.

What a complete moron!

The only people who blame President Obama for the Gulf Oil Spill are the ones who are just dying to blame President Obama for anything and everything, no matter what.


Posted by: lindalovejones | June 14, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

All, my take on why BP will cave to Obama's demand for escrow account:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/legal_authority_bp_will_mostly.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 14, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

"It always amuses me when somebody who has been in the government for as long as McConnell has and is in a leadership position talks about how terrible the governemnt is. By that logic he himself shouldn't be trusted and the people of Kentucky should have bounced him out the last election cycle. Or better yet he should resign."

I was thinking more or less the same thing. If McConnell truly believes this why doesn't he simply resign out of principle? (LOL!)

Posted by: akaoddjob | June 14, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

lms:

"What the government can and should do is something we could debate, but not the fact that big business has run amok."

Uh...why not? Let's assume the very worst, and that the spill is the direct result of BP's criminal negligence. How does this indicate in any way at all that "big business" has "run amok"?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 14, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Mitch's wife worked in government, for decades.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 14, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"He consentingly and fully VOLUNTEERED"

Uh, no. I'm sure this blog is a paid gig for Greg. Moreover, being a site attached to a commercial enterprise, traffic is no doubt monitored.

It never ceases to amaze me that posters here who are so totally disdainful of Greg continue to reward him over and over with page clicks and page views. I just hope that he is compensated accordingly, i.e. more traffic, more $$.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 14, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The republicans are a bunch of whining cry babies. If this were Bush, they would be falling all over themselves to spend BILLIONS to help BP clean up this mess and BILLIONS more for their financial losses...


Posted by: demtse | June 14, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Interesting. It seems bizarre to me that anyone could REALLY think that government does ANYTHING well. Think about it: overpaid feds with lifetime tenure who would quit and go home at 5:00pm even in the middle of a crisis.

Of course, the government isn't responsible for the oil spill or its resolution. But why would we continue to expand a government that has so little expertise and provides so little value?

Posted by: dknight12345 | June 14, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Michislave:
"Bilge, did it ever occur to you (what am I thinking--of course it did!) that using the term "Slave" as a salutation might not be the most appreciated word in this country. People fought a war over this."

So I'd heard, although there were other more primary motivations, but certainly one of them was over the issue of chattel slavery.

What I find mystifying is that those who claim to be the inheritors of the region that supposedly combatted the institiution are now all gung-ho to become slaves themselves.

In case you haven't heard this before:

With the passage of Socialist Utopia ObamaCare, the Federal government can now fine and imprison you for failing to secure a maintenance contract for your "own" body with a third party, (a commercial enterprise and no doubt a government-approved one).

This is tantamount to a Lien, and since Liens can only be placed upon Property, rather than Persons, then it follows that your body is now the Property of the Government.

Now you can quibble over whether it is "good" to belong to the government while it is "bad" to belong to a private party, but to my mind, this misses he point entirely.

A slave is a slave is a slave is a slave.

Free your mind and your behind will follow.

A good place to start is by NOT placing your Faith in Government...no matter how many of the "Kool Kids" do it.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 14, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

i would call mcconnell a snake, but i have far too much respect for snakes.

Posted by: socomfy | June 14, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

McConnell--what a splendid piece of work (warning: irony alert!)! Of course, it's his job is as Senate minority leader to spin whatever can be spun, however utterly apolitical the reality of the particulars may may (and an oil spill is mostly apolitical . . .). For the record, that's Reid's job, too, as Senate majority leader, and he is equally contemptible (I'm an equal-opportunity curmudgeon). I am not surprised at McConnell's crassly hypocritical and opportunistic comments.

Read Thomas Frank's _The Wrecking Crew_ about the right wing's crusade to dismantle government. Warning!: Frank is an out-and-out partisan, so dismiss fully half of what he says if you're inclined (as a centrist, it's my business to be skeptical!). What's left will still enrage you. Bottom line: I know McConnell is lying when I see his lips moving.

Posted by: post_reader_in_wv | June 14, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

A man who has worked for the government for 26 years has no business whining about government.

Posted by: dottydont | June 14, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Michigoose: But that's exactly what posters like Bilgeman want, to drive away anyone insterested in actual fact-based discussion of issues.

I'm not a censorship fan. Banning a troll gives them the impression that if we care enough to ban (martyr) them that they must be important. In addition, most blog trolls are their own worst enemy by being so over the top they drive away any potential converts to their cause.

Blog trolls aren't here to convert, or even debate. They're just here to poison the well and raise the noise level.

Not reading trolls takes self-discipline. Not responding to them after reading them takes even more self-discipline. If they're on topic, fine. Otherwise...

Don't feed the trolls. It only encourages them.

Posted by: Gallenod | June 14, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

McConnell is the poster boy for what's wrong with the GOP.

Posted by: jckdoors | June 14, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating - all it takes for Republicans to finally care about the environment is a Democrat in the White House.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | June 14, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

wb said:

"I've learned to skip Bilgey and QB's posts."

I don't doubt it, after my having factually and legally demolished his strident and vituperative claims about the OPA and BP liability, followed by his admission that he had finally forced himself to read the law he had been misrepresenting along with his pal Ethan.

And those two know a lot about name calling and substanceless accusations. I've said the rest of what I have to say about the censors on a previous thread. Colossal hypocrites one and all.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 14, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Funny how somone like Mitch McConnell, who has been in public service since 1967, denigrate government. Maybe he should spend a few minutes reviewing his resume.

Posted by: EnemyOfTheState | June 14, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Bilgeman: "With the passage of Socialist Utopia ObamaCare, the Federal government can now fine and imprison you for failing to secure a maintenance contract for your "own" body with a third party, (a commercial enterprise and no doubt a government-approved one)."

This is patently untrue. Google it. Their is a civil penalty of $95, with a maximum of $650 for repeaters. There is no enforcement mechanism. No IRS provisions, no nothing. There is no criminal penalties whatsoever.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 14, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Shorter Mitch McConnell: Republicans broke government, so no one should ever trust it again.

Posted by: lexalexander1 | June 14, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Greg, Why do you think government regulation can prevent disasters? It didnt work in the financial markets, or with this well and it wont work in the future. The government is populated with humans who make errors, just like the banks, oil companies etc.

Posted by: bruce18 | June 14, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"People fought a war over this."

Given that he still refers to it as the war of the Northern aggression, somehow I doubt he'll be moved much by your comment.

Posted by: akaoddjob | June 14, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"But somehow this translates into the GOP's problem, right?"

You don't change eight years of incompetent corruption enabled by thirty years of bullshit sloganeering in less than two years.

If you think otherwise you believe in the tooth fairy (ie., you are a political conservative).

Posted by: akaoddjob | June 14, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

"I don't doubt it, after my having factually and legally demolished his strident and vituperative claims about the OPA and BP liability"


Bitter, citation-free invective does not equal facts, except in the world of those who believe in the tooth fairy (and wonder why a Fox television torture celebration/tv show isn't an automatic demonstration to all the world of how a manly man behaves).

Posted by: akaoddjob | June 14, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"It didnt work in the financial markets, or with this well and it wont work in the future."

?

It worked for decades - until the Republicans decided not to fund enforcement anymore.

Posted by: akaoddjob | June 14, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"You don't change eight years of incompetent corruption enabled by thirty years of bullshit sloganeering in less than two years."

= BS sloganeering.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 14, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Slave suezkoo1:
"Their is a civil penalty of $95, with a maximum of $650 for repeaters."

This is a punishment for being a bad slave.
Akin to an electric cattle prod that is used on livestock.
And by what authority does the government undertake to punish you for not buying the product that they have mandated?

You are being penalized and punished "for your own good".

Gee...can Our Federal Masters get any MORE solicitous of we their herd?

"There is no enforcement mechanism. No IRS provisions, no nothing. There is no criminal penalties whatsoever"

Somehow, I don't think that that is so.

It rather beggars the question of what be the point of passing a "law" and providing for no mechanism whatsoever, (vice you and your Google), for not also compelling obedience to it.

Rather like a "punishment" that, by it's very nature, is NOT "cruel and unusual", (here's a hint...it's not a "punishment" at all, but rather a "reward").

When the IRS sends you your "Bad Slave Fine" notice, don't pay it, and when they send you the "Double-Secret Bad Slave Fine" notice, invite them to perform an acrobatic sexual act upon a rolling breakfast pastry, and see if there are no penalties of any kind...

Betcha won't.

Because I betcha that the G-men, if you are so bat-poop insane as to entertain the notion that you are Free Citizen of a Democratic Republic,(and therefore a member of a free association of equals,instead of a side of meat to be profited from at will), will show up with the Black Helicopter, the gas-Bradley and the Ninja SWAT team and lay a "Waco" on your uppity behind.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 14, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Just another fine example of Mitch McConnell is not fit to hold office. He is the problem in the Beltway. The governments budget crisis and the energy policy or lack of rest in his lap. You can throw John Boehner in there to, he's up to his eye balls in this insanty.

Posted by: petergatliff | June 14, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

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