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New Reid ad rips Sharron Angle's scheme as "crazy"

Harry Reid has just gone up with a second ad attacking Sharron Angle on Social Security, another sign that Angle's apparent desire to phase out the popular program will be central to Reid's efforts to define her as dangerous and extreme before the campaign gets off the ground:

The ad, in keeping with the Reid strategy of relying on Angle's own words, blasts Angle for this recent quote comparing Social Security to welfare:

My grandfather would not even take his Social Security check because he said he was not up for welfare, he had planned for his retirement, and he wouldn't take it.

But the real key to understanding this spot is its very last spoken word: "Crazy."

The spot closes with the words "just too extreme" on the screen, and quotes an advocate for retirees saying of Angle's Social Security position: "People depend on these checks. It's their livelihood. It's their food. It's their prescription drug costs. This is crazy."

The Reid game plan is to paint Angle as not just merely extreme, but dangerously unhinged. This is central to Reid's message. Listen closely and you'll hear lots more like this.

By Greg Sargent  |  June 23, 2010; 3:36 PM ET
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EXCELLENT ad.

And, sad to say, it's all true. She is too extreme for the Senate and calling for the end of Social Security IS crazy.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"The Reid game plan is to paint Angle as not just merely extreme, but dangerously unhinged."

I wonder what happens if they debate and she comes across as NOT crazy?

Posted by: sbj3 | June 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile we have what has been dubbed the "Cat Food Commission" meeting behind closed doors, chaired by former Sen Alan Simpson (R-Wyo) and former Clinton White House Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles, and dominated by a bunch of people who are inclined to attack Social Security and Medicare. Simpson has specifically made an a$$ of himself with his lies about Social Security. Sharron Angle fits right in!

Posted by: msmollyg | June 23, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I canvassed northern NV in 2008 extensively for the Obama campaign, and I must say, the older voters I met there were mostly non-wingnutty, and several in their 70s and 80s were die-hard Obama supporters because they didn't trust McCain with Social Security and Medicare.

I think Reid and his people know his constituents pretty well.

Posted by: allanbrauer | June 23, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what happens if they debate and she comes across as NOT crazy?

==

And do you really think there is ANY chance of that?

Really?

Posted by: Noacoler | June 23, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

SBJ is Don Quixote: He loves to dream the impossible dream, when it comes to Sharron Obtuse Angle.

Angle also wants to eliminate Medicare, which would be A Death Sentence For All Your Grannies.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I am confident that Angle will not spin her head ala The Exorcist should there be a debate but the fact is that her positions on many of the great issues of the day are undeniably crazy to most reasonable observers.

Don't you agree, sbj?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | June 23, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Come on SBJ, you are in denial. You do make sensible comments from time to time.

That is extreme and crazy is not in doubt. She is on video saying things about social security and medicare that are out of the mainstream. The operative word here is mainstream. Nobody forced her to say those things. She was proudly exercising her "freedoms" and first amendment rights. She is hero to the fringe, I give her that.

Why do you think she is running away from the cameras? She does not want to talk about social security and medicare right through the election day because she knows she cannot defend her statements. Nobody will buy that 'I want to personalize social security' BS. I don't know what 'personalize social security' means.

Posted by: TS11 | June 23, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know what 'personalize social security' means."

TS11, it means the same thing as Bush's "privatization" push.

That being: END SOCIAL SECURITY.

It's a crazy position for a 21st century politician, and SBJ knows this.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 23, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

all reid has to do is quote her own words in the debate as in this commercial and ask her if she stands by them or not.

she has the impossible task of keeping her teabagging base happy while, at the same time now that we're in the general, she has to appeal to a significant number of people that are not so far on the fringe.

i never much liked the phrase, but this really is a zero sum game: by appealing to one group she alienates the other.

the appeals to the different demos are mutually exclusive.

you can bet your savings account that reid will plaster the airwaves with her kooky positions and comments and challenge her to either reiterate or repudiate them.

Posted by: blahgblogwordpresscom | June 23, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Since Sharron Obtuse Angle is a member of The Church Of Scientology(Love that word: Scientology. It sounds like a word Steven Colbert would come up with, to label some pseudo-science racket.) she just might want to solve everyone's problems with a series of Dianetics treatments.

After all; Look at how mentally well balanced Dianetics has made Sharron!

Posted by: Liam-still | June 23, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Off Off: Mark Halperin's Page:


McCain: "We are confident that General Petraeus' leadership will have a … positive effect."

Graham: "There are lines you cannot cross in the military... David Petraeus is our best hope."

Lieberman: "A decisive show of presidential leadership.... This was a commander in chief."

Kerry, Boehner, Skelton all nod in agreement.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 23, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Since people are putting in requests for features they would like to have on the blog:

I would like a Peek-A-Boo feature, which I can use to appear to not be here. I would also like to have the use of a Plumline Rabbit puppet, to do my swearing for me, like Craig Ferguson has.

Of course; since there is only seven days left, before I retire from all politics and blogging, Greg, will have to put in a rush order for my Cussing White Rabbit puppet.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 23, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Reid has a great machine, no doubt about it! He even manufactures "news" and then uses it in ads (see below)!! His campaign staff even ran the audio/visual equipment for the completely staged "news event." Reid is slick!!

Only when unemployed voters realize that Harry Reid screwed taxpayers and workers by refusing to allow a vote on SA 239 in 2009 (after the House voted 407 to 2 to pass it), ensuring that $800 billion stimulus is available for illegal aliens instead of American citizens, will unemployed NV Dems. turn on Reid.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/reid-machine-dwarfs-angle-96747169.html

"What Ilchene didn’t say in his remarks on Wednesday is that the Democratic Party called him to speak at the meeting, which was arranged by the Nevada Alliance for Retired Americans.

Leaders of the group support U.S. Sen. Harry Reid and are on a list of “seniors for Reid.” And the AFL-CIO union backing the Democratic incumbent launched the alliance, which officially is non­partisan.

Several Democratic Party and Reid campaign staffers attended the meeting at the Cambridge Community Center. They operated the sound and computer equipment that projected this plea: “Sharron Angle Don’t Kill Social Security.” The staffers also helped arrange interviews with seniors for local television news stations that covered the one-hour, made-for-TV event.

And after the TV reports aired, Reid campaign officials promoted and distributed them across the Internet and in e-mails, saying, “Local seniors protest Sharron Angle’s plan to kill Social Security.”

Posted by: ejr2 | June 23, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, ejr2, for that fascinating article about the Reid campaign/PR machine. Angle doesn't have a chance against that organization. I wish Greg would take a looksie - Reid hardly needs his help!

Posted by: sbj3 | June 23, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

ejr2, do you support the elimination of Social Security?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 23, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Not everyone scared of Angle is a Democrat.
I am a registered Republican and I am scared of her. Well not her necessarily. I'm afraid of the trend in the Republican party. Lowden was all we needed to get this seat. She would have made a fine Senator. So she goes "chicken lady" on us and it was all the opening that Reid's satellite organization needed to pound her down with ads. Those anti Lowded ads were funded by Reid, not Angle... she was broke.

But back to my point: we, the GOP, are in a terrible time right now. We are ruled by the wingnuts like Angle. We all know this republican "RINO cleansing" will fail (see Crist) but the failure will cost us perhaps ten years of progress.

I also think many of we Pubs are looking at moving to independent.

Posted by: ronsmith100 | June 23, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

ejr2, maybe next time the Repubs want e-verify in a stimulus bill they'll negotiate in good faith with Menendez. e-verify without visa recapture was the deal breaker and only three Repubs were going to vote for the stimulus anyway. It was a ploy to backdoor immigration reform.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 23, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

ron,

nice comment -- it's refreshing to hear from the sane bloc of your party. do you ever check out redstate, human events, townhall, etc?

if not, i'm sure you're familiar with the narrative -- they really hate the 'rinos' and someone at redstate just today said the so called rinos were even more of an 'enemy' than those of us to the left of center.

do you think they might end up going indy? that your bloc actually will do so? or that their fire will die down and the repubs will moderate without a split?

Posted by: blahgblogwordpresscom | June 23, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah seconded to ronsmith. You guys don't really have a party right now, your nominal one has been hijacked by whack jobs.

I thought the GOP jumped the shark when Reagan was running guns to teenage terrorist gangs in Nicaragua out the White House basement but those times were sane and centered compared to now. Hell, even Bush II was sane and centered compared to the nutjobs the teabaggers are pushing.

I didn't agree with the old GOP, but at least it was a legitimate foil to the excesses the Democrats are prone to. No longer. Now the GOP is a force to be resisted and thwarted indiscriminately.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 23, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/happy_hour_roundup_35.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Even my Black Forest Grandfather Clock responds to the Sharron Angle candidacy with simple, yet defining accuracy every hour on the hour: "...cuckoo...cuckoo."

Posted by: benighse | June 23, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope the teabaggers get a lot more of their uh people nominated. Then we can put an end to all this "resurgence" junk this paper keeps shining up GOP butt.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 23, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

schaller at 538 quotes a new cap piece by teixeira

"The Democratic Party will become even more dominated by the emerging constituencies that gave Barack Obama his historic 2008 victory, while the Republican Party will be forced to move toward the center to compete for these constituencies. As a result, modern conservatism is likely to lose its dominant place in the GOP," he writes, adding that "the Republican Party as currently constituted is in need of serious and substantial changes in approach."(Emphasis mine; will return to this point momentarily)"

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/06/emerging-republican-minority.html

Posted by: blahgblogwordpresscom | June 23, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

My God what has happened to the conservatives that the best they can get to knock off Harry Reid is a screwball like Anlge? Her treatment of social security is enough to drive away voters in droves. And how many politicians are nuts enough to get themselves entangled with Scientology? This nasty and very aggressive cult in known for criminal behavior and scandals. L. Ron Hubbard's wife was among those who went to federal prison for the burglary of government offices. Recently Anderson Cooper did a week long special on beatings and abuse in that cult. So where was her thinking in all of this? Where was her discernment? And where was her common sense?? After all, when we elect people to office to use their judgement. So where was her's?

Posted by: rob4bbw228 | June 23, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Republicans, since Reagan, have demonized welfare recipients as lazy, unwilling to work, Cadillac-driving social parasites.

Likening aged Americans collecting Social Security benefits to Welfare Recipients is a losing strategy and, quite frankly, CRAZY!

Another cup of tea with your Crazy Crackers?

Posted by: thebobbob | June 23, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"The Reid game plan is to paint Angle as not just merely extreme, but dangerously unhinged. This is central to Reid's message. Listen closely and you'll hear lots more like this."
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Apparently that's a painting that requires very little in the way of embellishment. A commenter on another blog mentioned earlier that when Angle served in the (42-member) Nevada state assembly, they had an expression: "41-to-Angle" -- meaning that when you find something that any reasonable person can pretty much agree on, that wouldn't include Sharron Angle. Sounds to me like all that old Harry really needs to do is tell the truth on her.

Posted by: CalD | June 23, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

As the majority leader of the Liberal-Democrats, you cannot trust Se. Harry Reid (D-NV) as far as you can spit? The ominous undertones of a land sale in Nevada, that captured Reid millions of dollars in profit and never fully explained? The fact that he flip-flopped from enforcing immigration laws and now is just the opposite. He is pushing --AMNESTY--for illegal immigrants and was irate after he failed to table the local police 287 (g) policing law and E-VERIFY to identify illegal labor recruitment. Read his immigration grade at NUMBERSUSA, to see his ( F- ).

Posted by: infinity555 | June 23, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

The Nevadans agree that old Harry tricks are over. Bye bye Harry

Posted by: johnrick | June 24, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Infinity you are absolutely right on every point. Reid needs to go. But the baggers loaded blanks with Angle. Lowden was 10 gauge all the friggen way!! Somewhere somehow we Pubs need to step back and compromise with each other. Stop fighting our party for crissake!! Beat the liberals!!!

Posted by: ronsmith100 | June 24, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

ron,

the repubs made a deal with the devil when they courted the baggers and their predecessors, going back to goldwater, the nixon's southern strategy, then reagan starting his campaing in philadelphia miss where the freedom fighters were murdered.

the bill is now due. you screwed yourself. you wanted to 'beat the liberals' so badly that you only thought of the short term in your alliance with the nutjobs in a shrinking demographic.

and, by your actions, you have made sure the liberals will win.

i can't say i have any sympathy.

Posted by: blahgblogwordpresscom | June 24, 2010 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Angle is an unabashed 'bagger lunatic. The GOP will rue the day they jumped into bed with these clowns.

Posted by: Rokker | June 24, 2010 3:15 AM | Report abuse

by: sbj3 |
[[wonder what happens if they debate and she comes across as NOT crazy?]]
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Ahh, but she is. Angle also thinks the unemployed are lazy. Cool lady, huh? A giant B is more like it. We in Nevada have known for awhile that this woman is human crazy glue. Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann can get away with nutty talk for a very simple and sexist reason -- they are attractive and in the world of politics -- relatively young. Sharron Angle does not have compassion working for her, she does not feel your pain and she is 61 and looks it. And really, who wants anything to do with a person who thinks the answer to a loss at the ballot box is a bullet? Nevada, while not a liberal state, is not an extreme right wing state, either. By the time November rolls around, Reid will best her by 10 points.

Posted by: Sandydayl | June 24, 2010 3:39 AM | Report abuse

They should have one where she is eating Cocoa Puffs with a Coo Coo clock.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | June 24, 2010 4:15 AM | Report abuse

Angle is a lunatic.... even McCain, married to a millionaire, takes his Social Security check!

There is no way to privatize this fund and more and more Americans will be depending on it since 401Ks have tanked.

ANGLE GO HOME.

Posted by: EdSantaFe | June 24, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

What a terrible set of choices. There was Miss Trade a Chicken who wanted a taxpayer subsidy for a stadium on The Strip to be built on land she and her husband own. That did not fly. There was the Wall Street type who lives for a day or two a year up in North Nowhere NV who drove 95 and got away with it. There is Miss Can't Qualify a Property Tax limitation initiative aka Angle who spouts the Real American party line from the 1930s (Social Security) and 1960s (Medicare). There is Harry Reid who will legalize the illegals -- because they will vote for the Democrats. Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Spanish. Press 3 for Aramaic. My favorite candidate is None of the Above. If we are lucky the planet will be struck by a comet before the election.

Posted by: BeanCounter49 | June 24, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

A whack job for sure. A tea party favorite, backed by Palin and she wins the GOP primary. The new GOP also known as "conservatives unhinged".

Posted by: James10 | June 24, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Go Sharron!! Rid America of this slimy idiot!

Posted by: thebump | June 24, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

The dems voted her in so they could have a fighting chance for Dirty Harry. If the people of the state vote him in again, I think the other 49 states should boycott the state.

Posted by: dy19spider57 | June 24, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Thank goodness for her! If the teabaggers had actually put up someone more moderate (not likely) or with brains enough to keep their mouths shut (frightening) they might have been able to take Reid down. No one has faced more vilification by the wingnuts and no Democrat has shot himself in the foot as often (sorry guys, Joe Biden knows exactly what he's doing). At least Angle proudly declares her lunacy and let's thank her for it.

Posted by: joebanks | June 24, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"I wonder what happens if they debate and she comes across as NOT crazy?"

And I wonder what happens if the sun rises in the west.

Posted by: therev1 | June 24, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the campaign run by Deeds in Virginia. Reid is going to paint her as crazy, and then when she starts talking, she won't be nearly what he has implied. Then he will look like someone who exaggerates. Plus, she is right on social security. It is unsustainable and the only way to protect it is to make it so the government can't raid it. And really the person who is too extreme is Harry Reid. His Senate is full of back-room deals and new laws that have stopped the economy from growing and creating jobs. Sorry, but the record is what counts and his is dismal. Plus, he doesn't drink and I don't trust any who doesn't drink.

Posted by: columbiaheights | June 24, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Harry Reid won't have to reach very far to paint this woman as "crazy" - she's doing a pretty good job of it herself. Just keep talking Ms. Angle. What may appear to be smears like in other campaigns, will be 100% truthful, backed up with recordings of her very own statements. She can run from the media, but she can't hide. It's a slow motion implosion.

Posted by: notfooledbydistractions1 | June 24, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The citizens of Nevada have to ask themselves a question: do I want one of my Senators to be living in a time warp? Engle's philosophical oppostion to Social Security places here at the forefront with many other ultra conservavtive thought leaders. Only problem is that the case for or against SS was settled about seventy years ago. Do Nevadans want their elected officials to spend time and energy on reversing the calendar almost a century or solving our current problems?

Posted by: bobfbell | June 24, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Social security is only "unsustainable" because republican presidents and congress's have raided the trust fund to fund tax cuts for the wealthy and unsustainable military adventurism. Reduce the social security tax on working folks, and apply it to ALL income. It is the most regressive tax on the books, then the cons have gall to claim that 50% of americans "don't pay taxes". Excuse me, when you take our FICA taxes and put them into the general fund to mask the true size of the deficit, then decide that paying the promised benefits are "unsustainABLE, it most certainly is a tax.

Posted by: mikelemm | June 24, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

"The Reid game plan is to paint Angle as not just merely extreme, but dangerously unhinged."

I wonder what happens if they debate and she comes across as NOT crazy?

Posted by: sbj3
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The GOP (which owns the teabaggers despite what they believe) is certainly coaching her right now to sound less crazy. But have you heard her speak?

The only way she will come off as not crazy is if she abandons her crazy positions or if she doesn't utter a single word until the elections.

If she does the first, then she will have abandoned the teabaggers, if she does the second, she just might get elected.

Posted by: arancia12 | June 24, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

What about the fact that it's not actually possible to "refuse" a Social Security check? Maybe one debate question should be *exactly* how her grandpa accomplished this.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 24, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"Right" Angle is a world-class nutbag. And even worse for her, she's quite homely, so Palin, Bachmann, Haley, et al won't be caught dead with her.

Sorry, baggers, but this one's a loser.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 24, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

What has America come to when a government handout like SS has become a sacred cow? Social Security was NEVER ment by democrats (including FDR) to be the sole support of senior citizens. It has only evolved into that as people have become lazy about planning for their retirement and companies have phased out defined benefit plans. To say you have too much pride to accept a 'government handout' is not 'crazy' it is commendable. What a pitiful bunch of socialist parasites these 'so called' mainstream posters are.

Posted by: killerm1 | June 24, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

SS is one of those issues that a politician can not and will not run against and be successful.

It's just going to take a collapse of the program before any politician tries to do anything to change/fix/abolish it. Naturally, that election cycle will be a total defeat of whichever party is in power at the time as that's just how politics work.

Posted by: kanebrandon | June 24, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Also, SS should not be thought of as welfare as one pays into the system their entire working life. It's their money to be taken, much like unemployment.

Posted by: kanebrandon | June 24, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

It's absolutely CRAZY the things Republicans are willing to accept to satisfy that intolerance craving they have. You just can't be that willing to ignore common sense. Like not being willing to accept 20 billion dollars to help good people in the gulf survive. The day the money was set aside you were screaming. Slush fund, shake down, Your patriotism has been poisoned.

Posted by: minco_007 | June 24, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait for the Reid-Angle debate. I hope it's televised nationally.

It is going to fun watching the senator take this fool apart point by point. I want to watch her defend her positions: privatizing the Dept of Veteran's Affairs, abolishing the Dept of Education (which she calls an "unconstitutional" agency), privatizing Social Security, privatizing Medicare and withdrawing from the United Nations and prohibiting the production and sale of alcoholic beverages (Snort! A candidate from the Casino State?)

Sadly (for them), Republicans probably had a better-than-even chance of defeating Sen. Reid with a moderate candidate, and that would have been an exciting race to watch.

But the Reid-Angle debate going to be FUN to watch because Reid will publicly and utterly destroy this Tea Party woman. And he's going to do it with a smile on his face the entire time.

Posted by: dastubbs | June 24, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Angle is merely reflective of the right of center that has taken control of the republican party. There are many, many other examples. Examples: Rand Paul; Jim DeMint Sen from S.C.; Gov. of Texas; & you can name at least 100 more, including Ms. Palin.What has happened to the republican moderates but conservatives like Bob Dole, Howard Baker, Even President Bush number 1 & his son Jeb; or for that matter Bush 2, who was very moderate except for being lead astray by Dick Cheney on policies of war, which was & is adverse to historic conservative doctrine.The so-called T- party folk that this candidate follows after ARE NOT traditional conservatives.They are closer to the far right fascists.

Posted by: tlrasnic | June 24, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Walking too far down the "right" path can lead one to some very dangerous places. Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Franco's Spain and all the military dictatorships of Central and South America, to name a few.

As the US moves further and further to the right, there is no real opposition and no open debate. The right controls the debate and the issues, their issues, that are to be debated.

We have a well entrenched far right political flank but nothing on the left to counter it. The Tea Party and the extremist militia types, the skin heads, the racists, the far right religious fundamentalists, the Libertarians..... all have control over what our democracy will debate and discuss. Extremist far right reactionary talking heads spew lies and propaganda over public air waves, with no regard for fairness and balance. Where are the spokespeople for the left to counter them? Which do we have more of: far right groups or far left? When shall we as a people revisit the Fairness Doctrine?

Wait until you see the lies about Social Security. They're already starting. And Angle is one who is telling the lies.

Posted by: flamingliberal | June 24, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

But this is the kind of campaign harry always runs. but, harry has a record he needs to defend as well, this won't only be an offensive campaign. let's see how he explains the health care bill and defends why buying votes in the senate is fine. let's see how he defends the stimulus which was suppose to cap unemployment at 8% and now nevada has the highest unemployment rate in the country. harry doesn't have a lot of positives to run on, so he'll try to distort angle. yes, this will be interesting.

Posted by: termiteavenger | June 24, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

You aa missed the point; after all these years in the Senate, Reid should have no problem defeating Angle just by listing his accomplishments. The question is, does he have any accomplishments the he can proudly point to? Of copurse not, and that's why he is resorting to personal attacks. Shame on him!!!

Posted by: Veridico | June 24, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Angle's a nutball alright. While I'd like to see Reid win and retain his senate seat, I want him removed a the democratic majority leader, he isn't a good one, he means well, but just doesn't have the spunk for it.

Posted by: mtravali | June 24, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The dilettantes are out this morning, what with their comments supportive of the contemptible Harry Reid.

Independent polls all identify deficit spending and the national debt to be one of U.S. voters’ top three concerns.

Scumbag Harry Reid has no plan to fix SS or Medicare and Medicaid. His ad isn’t even clever. Just set up a straw man and knock him down.

Got anything substantive, you scoundrel Reid?

Posted by: hungrypirana | June 24, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

How does this ANGLE MORON figure that Social Security is welfare? I've been paying into the fund for almost 50 years and I expect to get my retirement checks!

Angle can go privatize her own SS account.... leave mine alone.

Posted by: EdSantaFe | June 24, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I doubt this will ever get on this forum because every time I try to make a comment on these blogs I get censored by the majorly left leaning moderators at the Wash Post. But, in the small chance that it actually does get posted, I can tell you from first hand experience having just got back from a trip to NV last week to visit my parents that people can't wait to get rid of Harry Reid and he will be stomped in November. If he knows his constituents so well, then he should know that they don't want socialism and that is definitely his agenda along with Obama, Pelosi, and the rest of the Dems. Seriously, after all the insane things that Harry Reid has said and done over the years, how can you say it's Angle that nuts. You left wingers are living in a dreamworld. November will be the wake up call---trust me... Harry Reid's son can't even use his last name in campaign adds for governor---that's about as bad as it gets. Social Security is bankrupt, the country is on the brink of bankruptcy and people know it, and they've had enough!

Posted by: danminter | June 24, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

It must be great being a politician for the democrat party, you really don't have to spend any money on attack ads, you have the Post to do it for you. FYI: social security is mathmatically certain to fail. It is a Ponzi scheme. It lost money last year. Did you know that Cubans that come to Miami and are older than 65 get full SS and medicare (which will be gutted under Obama) benefits though they have not paid ONE DIME into the sytem?

Posted by: naughtiusmaximus | June 24, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Angle hold many positions that are anathema to most Americans. As her political opponent, Reid has to let Nevada voters know what they would be getting in electing her:

1) The end of Medicare and Social Security
2) The return of Prohibition on alcohol
3) The US withdrawal from the UN
4) An end to water fluoridation
5) The abolition of the IRS (how the govt pays its bills is left unanswered)
6) Complete denial of climate change
7) Unlimited off-shore drilling
8) Using Nevada as a nuclear waste "reprocessing" center
9) The end of Federal funding of college education
10) The end of Federally subsidized mortgages
11) Complete denial of gay rights

If you favor these policies, then vote for Angle, and let me know so that I can stay as far away from you as possible.

Posted by: AxelDC | June 24, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me that Angle is just trying to bring some sanity to dealing with these trillions of dollars of unfunded liability that are Social Security and Medicare. You libs remember sanity, don't you? Maybe not. But to think that she wants to cut off SS checks to seniors is to not think at all. She's talking about phasing it out over several generations. The unsustainability of these kinds of entitlements is clear to anyone willing to open their eyes. To those opposed to addressing the SS and Medicare issues: what's your plan on how to deal with them? More neglect?

Posted by: RossOdom | June 24, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Just because someone has recorded Ankle on tape saying all this nutjob stuff doesn't mean she actually spoke any of the words attributed to her. I am sure that if you show her the video of her, with the words coming out of her mouth, that she will claim that it isn't showing what she really said. When she is elected, I am sure that she will end this, by sponsoring a bill to arrest and deport evil twins from an alternate universe. I wonder if her alternate twin (and I am not sure if it is the evil one, in her case) has a beard like Spock.

Posted by: daweeni | June 24, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

it's insulting and stupid to call it welfare, because, for all it's flaws, we do pay for it from our payroll taxes, not ourselves, of course, but still, it ain't welfare by any stretch.

and privatizing it would cost a couple trillion bucks, because it's paid for in arrears with current wage earners paying for current retirees. you can't reverse that without paying the benefits of future retirees with general revenues once future workers stop paying in. Where's Angle think she's going to get the money? raise taxes?

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 24, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Of copurse not, and that's why he is resorting to personal attacks. Shame on him!!!

Posted by: Veridico | June 24, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse"

Please, bagger, mocking Angle's POLICY positions are not personal attacks. You baggers need to get a grip...on reality.

The reality is that "Right" Angle is a wackadoo.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 24, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Sharron is bringing in some Big Guns [not assault weapons, although I am sure she has them if government 'spends too much] -- you know that 'second amendment remedy' she talks about:

Some savory character, eh?

"John Brabender, Media Adviser -- Another veteran of the losing side of the 2008 presidential race, Brabender was an adviser to Rudy Giuliani's campaign two years ago. As The Hill reported, Brabender's career includes a long stint with a man closer to Angle's end of the political spectrum than Giuliani: former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum. Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH), of Jack Abramoff scandal fame, is a past Brabender client. So is Lousiana Sen. David Vitter -- no stranger to scandal himself."

Posted by: drindl | June 24, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

killm1 says: "It has only evolved into that as people have become lazy about planning for their retirement and companies have phased out defined benefit plans."

What about those people who were not lazy or careless, who saved in 401k's and the like, and watched with horror as their life savings went down the drain in the great crash of 2008? What about those folks who worked hard, pushing brooms or collecting garbage or driving delivery trucks, paid their SS taxes on their full incomes (because they never made enough to get above the cutoff point) but never had enough excess to save anything substantial? And all those millions of people who got laid off lately, did they all suddenly decide to become lazy parasites at once?

For many, SS is the difference between utter misery and bare survival. It is insurance, not welfare. How much you get depends on how much you paid in.I began paying my FICA tax at age 17 and continued every quarter until I was 62. Am I a parasite too? (I also saved a lot, being a Depression baby I never trusted that the future would always be like the booming present. And I didn't plunge it into the stock market either...if I want to gamble I go to Foxwoods or AC, where the wheels are honest.)


I'd really like to hear an honest answer...that's not a rhetorical question. And don't worry about hurting my "librul" feelings. I'm a big boy and really don't give a f---inf f---k what you "think", if I can call it that. I really think you should move to Texas so when they secede you will be gone from my country. I hear they will make Glenn Beck their President, and Sarah Palin SEc. of Defense. Then they will be a province of Mexico in about 20 years.

Posted by: jprfrog | June 24, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare, Angle. We will not allow you to turn our retirements over to Goldman Sachs.

Posted by: drindl | June 24, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

ejr2 sez:

....Only when unemployed voters realize that Harry Reid screwed taxpayers and workers by refusing to allow a vote on SA 239 in 2009 (after the House voted 407 to 2 to pass it), ensuring that $800 billion stimulus is available for illegal aliens instead of American citizens, will unemployed NV Dems. turn on Reid.....

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Only when voters see that not one Republican voted for OBAMA'S jobs bill will they realize that Republicans won't care about the unemployed until they can make ALL of them work for minimum wage...

".....ensuring that $800 billion stimulus is available for illegal aliens instead of American citizens..." - This is a bigger deceitful smear than the skidmarks on your underwear.

You Mad Hatter Tea Party fools been sucking the lead out of them thar bullets you're going to bite in November.

Posted by: HiloBob | June 24, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

In her seven years in the Nevada Assembly Angle had NO influence in Carson City. She should double that influence on Capitol Hill since the GOP is reeducating her on how to use the rubber stamp. CHEERS!

Posted by: whocares666 | June 24, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The United State of Mexico

New weekly jobless claims drop by 19,000; May durable goods orders down, too


Republican lawmakers are expressing shock over a Labor Department ad campaign that offers government assistance to illegal immigrants who think they're getting shortchanged for their work -- and at least one of them is planning to write to Labor Secretary Hilda Solis for an explanation.

Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz says he wants to know why taxpayers are being asked to spend money to ensure that illegals get assistance for fair wages while millions of unemployed Americans struggle to find jobs.

And they want The Mexico National Anthem played at all events in California

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"The Reid game plan is to paint Angle as not just merely extreme, but dangerously unhinged."

I wonder what happens if they debate and she comes across as NOT crazy?

Posted by: sbj3 | June 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

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Her positions are crazy. If she defends them in a debate, she will appear as crazy also.

Posted by: maggots | June 24, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

There won't be enough time in the debate for Reid to get to all of "Right" Angle's nutsack positions.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 24, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The gopers surely won't allow her in a debate. There's not enough time between now and November to electroshock and reprogram her entire 'brain'...

And she's going to be speaker at a Tea party nation event in July. that should generate lots of juicy nutbag material!

Posted by: drindl | June 24, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Senate Democrat Majority Leader Harry Reid is quietly trying to nationalize rules governing every police, fire and first responder union in the nation. Through the benignly named Public Safety Employer-Employee Cooperation Act (H.R.413) Reid wants all first responders represented by collective bargaining rules emanating from Washington D.C. Naturally he thinks that it is necessary as a matter of national security.

Imagine the loss of control that local governments will face when first responder unions no longer have to deal with local rules and laws but can force a federal one-size-fits-all style rule on all local governments. Localgovernments will no longer be able to determine pay scales and benefits and will lose control of their own ability to budget. Reid’s plan will also completely remove the ability of voters to have any say in local matters as a top down control from Washington will rule the day where it concerns local police, fire and other first responders.

H.R.413 also outrageously violates the most basic tenet of American politics: local control. This is the worst example of statism, one that must be defeated

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

She also thinks we should use the barter system for uninsured patients. So, how many pigs for a sparained ankle, and how many for a heart replacement?

Posted by: jckdoors | June 24, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

..."Givem hell Harry! Wish Tennessee had you for our U.S. State Senator instead of the fools we do have, loser/Lamar and Bob, Corker, what a name Corker...lol...

...One more thing folks I don't know of any Republican do you who's sending back their Social Security Check, buy boy don't they like to blame the Federal Government who's giving it them?

...After losing a record 8.5 Million Jobs, as the Blew it Bush/Republicans/did, "PARTY of NO, who also left a record/debt/BILL/DEFICIT $1.5 TRILLION DOLLARS!

..."Wow, no wonder America is in deep trouble it keeps putting itself in deep trouble every time it votes Republican!

..."Wow America have the Republicans RUINED YOU BUT GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!

..."Be sure now YOU/RUN and put some more back in they really do "APPRECIATE IT!

Posted by: ztcb41 | June 24, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Barter services became popular during The Great Depression in the 1930's, which witnessed a scarcity of money. The barter system was used as a way of obtaining things like food and other services. The trading was done between people or through groups, who acted as agents and facilitated third party bartering. These groups were like banks, where people maintained their accounts. In case of sale of any of the items, the account of the owner would be credited and the account of the buyer would be debited. It is worth mentioning that Adolf Hitler also used barter system to collect money for funding the war. He was engaged in barter trading with Greece, Sweden and Russia. Post World War II, the people of Germany too resorted to bartering, as the German currency had lost its value.

Barter system has been in use throughout the world for centuries. The invention of money did not result in the end of bartering services. Sometimes, monetary crises fueled the revival of the barter system, and the current recession has once again set a stage for its comeback. Even though money is there for trading and for business, barter system still exists and has become more strong and organized.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle AND Rand Paul in the same year!

The mutant seeds planted by the likes of Bush/Cheney/Rove/Limbaugh are taking root.

We are witnessing an Alice in Wonderland parade of tricorn and buckskin wearers, flint-lock toters, anti-government Social Security and Medicare receivers, militia monkeys, Republican congressional Tweedledums and Tweedledees and sundry Mad Hatters.

Ample evidence of this can be seen here as the rudderless supporters of Angle, The Queen of Hearts, toil to divert this discussion away from her mindless "off with their heads" pronouncements.

The pool of right-wing conservative ideologues has been shrinking after 30 years of nearly constant use beginning with the Reagan administration.

Having watched the actions of the "best and brightest" of the Republican Party for the past two years I believe we can safely say the pool has been depleted to the point that what is left (Angle, Paul, Boehner, Palin, Kirk, Pence, Barton, De Mint, Cantor, etc) are the dregs.

Posted by: apspa1 | June 24, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

As crazy and extreme as she may be, GOP attack adds based on his leadership in this last congressional session will surely lead to his rejection by a fed-up electorate.

Posted by: red4ever2 | June 24, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

AxelDC informs us that Ms. Angle wants to abrogate infusing our drinking water with fluoride.

That was a campaign of the John Birch Society in the late 1950's, early 1960's. They maintained it was a Communist plot to take over the US.

They never give up, do they? And just like the right today, they ignore scientific studies of half a century when it doesn't fit their political schema. Or latch onto the one study out of a hundred that confirms their view.


Posted by: flamingliberal | June 24, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

fed up independent


Republican lawmakers are expressing shock over a Labor Department ad campaign that offers government assistance to illegal immigrants who think they're getting shortchanged for their work -- and at least one of them is planning to write to Labor Secretary Hilda Solis for an explanation.

Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz says he wants to know why taxpayers are being asked to spend money to ensure that illegals get assistance for fair wages while millions of unemployed Americans struggle to find jobs.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Bless you, Sharron. Reid probably couldn't have won til the extremists voted YOU in as their candidate. And you're crazy as a bedbug and will insure Harry's re-elected!

Thanks, hon. And thanks to all you Republican primary voters out there!

Posted by: boogalooba | June 24, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Eight Republican senators and an independent group that supports tighter limits on immigration are warning that the Obama administration is drafting a plan to "unilaterally" issue blanket amnesty for millions of illegal immigrants as it struggles to win support in Congress for an overhaul of immigration laws.

The senators who wrote the White House on Monday say they are concerned that the administration is readying a "Plan B" in case a comprehensive reform bill cannot win enough support to clear Congress.

"It seems more real than just bullying (Republicans) into a bill -- that it's a plan that they can actually put forward ... circumventing Congress.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Angle is another wacked out teabagger.

Posted by: calif-joe | June 24, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle is a gift from God to Harry Reid. Not only that, she's not a one-off. This gift keeps on giving every time she opens her mouth. She's just plain weird.

Posted by: moninga1 | June 24, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Teabaggers are just paid hacks of the FreedomWorks and Club for Growth as well as other hate groups. The Grand nO Tea Party will lose big in November. Just mark my word. We will reject the extremists and apologists for corporations.

Posted by: numbers28 | June 24, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Who was it that said.?..you don't have to fear the teabaggers....just fear it self.

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Reid should be saving all that Ad money for when he's unemployed...

Posted by: Dnordgre | June 24, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Now is a very appropriate time to bring up issues like Social Security and Medicare. We'd better think thrice about abolishing these programs at the present time. State pensions are deep in red ink and being scaled back or going broke. 401(k) plans are diminishing and scaling back retirement benefits. Social security is looming as THE stable retirement choice for seniors.

I don't think we should view SS recipients as parasites and socialists. It's a way for the middle class to enjoy a reasonable retirement, either as the sole source or supplement. If you paid in then you should get the benefits. I believe the majority of Americans support SS and Medicare.

I don't find individuals who say they would refuse social security checks to be credible. Obviously, you all are not about to face retirement sometime soon.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | June 24, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

It appears, once again, that truth and reality have a liberal bias. I think it's commendable that Senator Reid is using all of Angle's many extreme words and positions against her. She probably thinks that's highly unfair. Most radical right-wing Republicans feel that way. How many times do the American people have to make it clear that they don't want Social Security "privatized" or demolished?

Posted by: ejs2 | June 24, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Reid is toast and nothing but a third candidate splitting the vote can save him. Not a single negative campaign against women has worked since 2008. And the anti-reid ads sum it up with facts and figures without a single personal attack.

Posted by: NoWeCant | June 24, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Keep your hands off my Social Security and Medicare, Angle. We will not allow you to turn our retirements over to Goldman Sachs."
Posted by: drindl | June 24, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse
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Too late. Obama, Frank, Dodd & Geitner already did that.

Posted by: OttoDog | June 24, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Is this the same lady that suggested we barter for health care?

Posted by: eaglechik | June 24, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"The Reid game plan is to paint Angle as not just merely extreme, but dangerously unhinged. This is central to Reid's message. Listen closely and you'll hear lots more like this."

But Reid is spot on, Angle is plum mad-dog crazy. If one is to listen to the stuff that Angle has come up with in the past couple of years, one can only conclude that she is a couple of beers short of a 6 pack. The woman would do well to get some therapy.

Posted by: bushidollar | June 24, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Keep smoking the Hopium, fools. Reid's toast.

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2010/06/24/nv-sen-poll-angle-7/

Damn, it's so bad, Reid's son, Rory, can't even use his surname in his political ads for the Governor's Race (he trails by double digits, btw):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/governor/nv/nevada_governor_sandoval_vs_reid-1137.html

Face it, Dirty Harry's circling the bowl. Let's hope the good people of Nevada keep the lever pressed down.

Posted by: OttoDog | June 24, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Barter services became popular during The Great Depression in the 1930's, which witnessed a scarcity of money. The barter system was used as a way of obtaining things like food and other services. The trading was done between people or through groups, who acted as agents and facilitated third party bartering. These groups were like banks, where people maintained their accounts. In case of sale of any of the items, the account of the owner would be credited and the account of the buyer would be debited. It is worth mentioning that Adolf Hitler also used barter system to collect money for funding the war. He was engaged in barter trading with Greece, Sweden and Russia. Post World War II, the people of Germany too resorted to bartering, as the German currency had lost its value.

Barter system has been in use throughout the world for centuries. The invention of money did not result in the end of bartering services. Sometimes, monetary crises fueled the revival of the barter system, and the current recession has once again set a stage for its comeback. Even though money is there for trading and for business, barter system still exists and has become more strong and organized.

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LOL I can see it now....
"This is Blue Cross, following up on your bill for the surgery that was performed last month?"
"I'm sorry I'm late on my payment, but I couldn't figure out how to get these chickens in the envelope... can I send the chickens on line?"

Posted by: PeterPamZ | June 24, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

What happens when Social Security and Medicare require additional funds to make payments? Do we just fire up more printing presses? Does China continue to lend us the money to grow our debt?

But here is the real frightening point, if it can be scarier. The government appears to use the Low Cost scenario when they estimate our unfunded obligations out the next 75 years. As if $54 trillion doesn't sound bad enough out through 2085, how does $414 trillion sound in the Intermediate Cost scenario?

Oh, you're not worried enough yet? The high cost scenario shows a shortfall in unfunded obligations of.... wait for it.... $1.1 QUADRILLION (thousands of trillions) out to 2085.

Now every time reform of Social Security and Medicare have come up, which political party has absolutely refused to address it? But if reforming Social Security or Medicare is the 3rd rail of politics, then is it already too late to save ourselves from ourselves?

Posted by: corebanks1940 | June 24, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"The War is Lost" Harry Reid (D) Nevada

Defecating on our troops in time of war for cheap partisan political points is more crazy.

Posted by: jcrue | June 24, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Rory is just reading the writing on the wall and sees his political fate through the prism of many other offspring of well-known politicians that have lost primary bids.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2010/06/harry-reids-son-ashamed-of-his-own-last-name/

Posted by: petewestwood | June 25, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Rory is just reading the writing on the wall and sees his political fate through the prism of many other offspring of well-known politicians that have lost primary bids.

http://scallywagandvagabond.com/2010/06/harry-reids-son-ashamed-of-his-own-last-name/

Posted by: petewestwood | June 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Harry, get you fact correct before you air an add that is untrue. By the way when are you going to drop your last name like your son did in his adds?

Posted by: magical672 | June 25, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

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