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Obama doubles down on gov't as force for good

There's a meme building which holds that the Gulf spill threatens Obama's larger project: To restore faith in government itself as competent, as an effective force for genuine, lasting reform.

Both David Brooks and Frank Rich have sounded this alarm, with Rich noting that the out-of-control spill threatens Obama's effort to sell his "core conviction" that government is a "potential force for good."

So it's fascinating -- and heartening -- to see that Obama is set to double down on government as a "force for good" today. According to prepared excerpts, Obama's economy speech in Pittsburgh will draw a clear contrast between Dem and GOP visions of government:

A good deal of the other party's opposition to our agenda has also been rooted in their sincere and fundamental belief about government. It's a belief that government has little or no role to play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges...

As November approaches, leaders in the other party will campaign furiously on the same economic argument they've been making for decades. Fortunately, we don't have to look back too many years to see how it turns out. For much of the last ten years, we tried it their way. They gave tax cuts that weren't paid for to millionaires who didn't need them. They gutted regulations, and put industry insiders in charge of industry oversight...This the same crowd who took the record $237 billion surplus that President Clinton left them and turned it into a record $1.3 trillion deficit.

So we already know where their ideas led us. And now we have a choice as a nation. We can return to the failed economic policies of the past, or we can keep building a stronger future. We can go backward, or we can keep moving forward. I don't know about you, but I want to move forward.

As if to prove Obama's point about competing Dem and GOP visions, I'm told that GOP Rep. Eric Cantor will respond today by ridiculing Obama's failed Big Government schemes as "out of control" and "suffocating long-term economic growth."

Does the spill threaten Obama's efforts to restore faith in government? Who knows, but one imagines Obama could begin demonstrating more forcefully that government isn't just a force for good; it can also be effective check on the sort of out-of-control private entities that helped bring about the Gulf disaster.

Obama has belatedly set out on this course, finally threatening prosecution of BP after acknowledging that he'd initially placed too much faith in Big Oil's ability to police itself. And it may not be too late to turn the spill into a potent metaphor dramatizing what's really at stake in the ongoing clash of the Dem and GOP visions of government's proper role.

By Greg Sargent  |  June 2, 2010; 12:43 PM ET
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GOBAMA!!!11!!!ELEVEN!!11one!!!!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"It's a belief that government has little or no role to play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges..."

That is just total BS on Obama's part.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 2, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I hate the catch phrase "doubles down".

Especially when it does not apply. Maintaining the same viewpoint, is not doubling down, upping the anti, or any of those meaningless gambling terms, which do not apply to some politician expressing a consistent position.

Another one that is much over used, and not very meaningful is: "The White House Is Bracing For..."

Which reminds me of the old joke.

What is Irish foreplay?

Answer: "Brace yourself, Bridget!"

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Total BS, on the part of SBJ.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Liam, I don't believe he's made that point about the competing Dem and GOP visions of government this explicitly before.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 2, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Does Cantor mean schemes like saving GM, which announced today that sales rose 32% in May and 16% more than last year's total for the month of May?

Ya mean like THAT kind of "suffocation"?

"""U.S. auto sales rose in May, reflecting an economic recovery straining against volatility in the financial markets and deepening troubles in Europe, General Motors Co. said Wednesday.

GM reported a 16.6% year-over-year rise in monthly sales, with included a 32% surge for the company's four remaining brands: Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, Cadillac. The car maker held on to its market share despite shedding four of its eight brands last year."""

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703561604575282473282622364.html

More suffocation, please!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 2, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Why is it total BS, on the part of SBJ, I hear you ask? Well, let me tell you why.

Because SBJ claims that he is "A Libertarian", and we all know what The Libertarian view of Government is.

To use SBJ's own words: "He is being a disingenuous prick."

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Being more explicit, or adding clarity is not Doubling Down.

Beware of falling into the lazy journalisic trap of applying trite, and thread worn catch phrases.

Remember when almost all politicians and many journalists used to spout: "at this point in time"?

What the hell did it mean, except now?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

sbj, how is that BS? Are you saying that republicans prefer more than just a little role in facing the collective challenges of our country? Because I think most of them would disagree with you.

Posted by: SDJeff | June 2, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

You know, watching this underwater gusher of oil, I keep expecting some strange underwater sea creature to swim by and stare into the camera.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 2, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

""It's a belief that government has little or no role to play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges...""

Obama is right to call that belief BS.

The GOP IS the BS in this country. Jim Greer is the current poster child for that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 2, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

From a GM (Delphi) retiree, commenting on "saving GM" ...

One negative caveat. The Fed under the leadership of the Treasury Department hurried both GM and Delphi through bankruptcy. In so doing, the PBGC took over Delphi's salary pension fund even though it was over 85% funded. Normally, they only take over pension funds that fall below 80%. GM fully funded the UAW fund for Delphi, but not the salary fund. Many Delphi salary retirees have already had cuts to the pensions, some drastic. I've been ok for now because of my age, but they're not done yet. So, the Fed intervention - which allowed GM to vacate huge debt - hurt the salary retirees at Delphi. Hard to be proud of that effort, and hard to feel good about GM's turnaround when you're 71 and facing a cut in your pension.

Posted by: msmollyg | June 2, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@SDJeff: I believe that most conservatives and libertarians would argue that they disagree with liberals about the PROPER role that government should play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges. It's quite simply disingenuous to imply that the GOP believes that government has no role to play in helping meet collective challenges.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

And The Truth Shall Set You Free, and scare the crap out of the likes of SBJ.

Preach It Again, Brother Obama!!!

" A good deal of the other party's opposition to our agenda has also been rooted in their sincere and fundamental belief about government. It's a belief that government has little or no role to play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges...

As November approaches, leaders in the other party will campaign furiously on the same economic argument they've been making for decades. Fortunately, we don't have to look back too many years to see how it turns out. For much of the last ten years, we tried it their way. They gave tax cuts that weren't paid for to millionaires who didn't need them. They gutted regulations, and put industry insiders in charge of industry oversight...This the same crowd who took the record $237 billion surplus that President Clinton left them and turned it into a record $1.3 trillion deficit.

So we already know where their ideas led us. And now we have a choice as a nation. We can return to the failed economic policies of the past, or we can keep building a stronger future. We can go backward, or we can keep moving forward. I don't know about you, but I want to move forward."

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

well sbj, what do you think they would say is the proper role in meeting those challenges, just in general, you don't have to get too specific, I assume national security would be one? What else?

Posted by: SDJeff | June 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

sbj3 @ June 2, 2010 1:21 PM wrote "It's quite simply disingenuous to imply that the GOP believes that government has no role to play in helping meet collective challenges."

I beg to differ. Starting with 'Government IS the problem' Reagan (remember him?), I am hard pressed to think of a Republican who expected government to solve any problem. (Except of course for the S&L fiasco; the Bush/Cheney recession; the financial deregulation fiasco, etc.). I can safely say, that Republicans believe that government does not work, and prove it every time Republicans govern.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AMviennaVA | June 2, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

OT but the Irish are about to send a ship through the blockade to Israel.

Irish Aid Vessel Plans to Pass Through Israel's Gaza Blockade -- 'Most Serious Consequences' Promised If Passengers Harmed

http://www.alternet.org/world/147073/irish_aid_vessel_plans_to_pass_through_israel%27s_gaza_blockade_--_%27most_serious_consequences%27_promised_if_passengers_harmed/

Does this mean the 5 Irish and 5 Malaysians on board are terrorists, as the Israelis called the last ones, too?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 2, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

oh and I forgot.

Go Irish!

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 2, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"through the blockade to Israel." was supposed to be to Gaza.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 2, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Well sbj3, what about the classic changes that libertarians/conservatives have campaigned for:

eliminate:
Energy Dept
Education Dept
Federal Reserve
Commerce dept
FDA
EPA
NIH
NSF
SEC
FDIC
unemployment insurance
college loan program
Housing assistance
welfare payments to poor people
Social security (private sector can do this)
medicare(private sector can do this)

sell off public lands to balance the budget
go back to the gold standard
radically shrink the military (something that I agree with, BTW)
get rid of ADA
allow discrimination by private businesses

Well SBJ, isn't this the vision of the proper role of govt for libertarians? I think it is accurate to say that govt should have a radically scaled back role in helping meet collective challenges like poverty, homelessness, unemployment, medical care, retirement security, monetary policy, regulation of private business, environmental protection, etc. Isn't that accurate?

Posted by: srw3 | June 2, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@sdjeff: How about something from Reagan?

"We...believe that the preservation and enhancement of the values that strengthen and protect individual freedom, family life, communities and neighborhoods and the liberty of our beloved nation should be at the heart of any legislative or political program presented to the American people.

"...We believe that liberty can be measured by how much freedom Americans have to make their own decisions, even their own mistakes. Government must step in when one’s liberties impinge on one’s neighbor’s. Government must protect constitutional rights, deal with other governments, protect citizens from aggressors, assure equal opportunity, and be compassionate in caring for those citizens who are unable to care for themselves.

"Our federal system of local-state-national government is designed to sort out on what level these actions should be taken. Those concerns of a national character—such as air and water pollution that do not respect state boundaries, or the national transportation system, or efforts to safeguard your civil liberties—must, of course, be handled on the national level.

"As a general rule, however, we believe that government action should be taken first by the government that resides as close to you as possible.

"We also believe that Americans, often acting through voluntary organizations, should have the opportunity to solve many of the social problems of their communities. This spirit of freely helping others is uniquely American and should be encouraged in every way by government."

Posted by: sbj3 | June 2, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama, the new kind of politician, deals exclusively in three types of discourse.

Hyperbole
Distortion
Outright lies

The above is par for the course. On top of that, he's remarkably brazen in criticizing deficit records that he proceeded to leave in the dust in his mad scramble to "transfrom" the country into Europe.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama's in big trouble. He better dramatically change his focus. For most of the first two years, this administration has tried to placate the right. "We're not radical. We want to drill. We want to be at war. We want to be at war so we don't have to pay a lot for gas." Okay the last one he didn't quite disclose but you get the point. Too much of what he appears to pursue was pursued by his predecessor. And, we saw where he wound up.

I have no idea whether clean energy is a viable alternative. Windmills vs oil rigs? I don't know. But, the way that Bill Clinton ensured that he was reelected was he focused -- like a laser -- on making sure that people had jobs. He spent resources on the tech sector, helping to expand internet access for the millions who live in our country. He also made sure that the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes. The wealthier you are the larger your deductions are (look at mortgage interest). Raising taxes on the wealthy did contribute to the surplus. And, we became a much more efficient nation.

Again, I have no idea whether the green energy movement can produce similar results but we need a jobs producer.

Posted by: teoandchive1 | June 2, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

potent metaphor dramatizing what's really at stake in the ongoing clash of the Dem and GOP visions of government's proper role.

You mean like a add the reads: If you think the government is doing a good job on the oil spill, wait until they run heathcare! or If the government can't even clean up a oil spill, how can the run a national healthcare program? you'll be waiting in the doctors office like a burm waiting to be built on the gulf coast.

Posted by: obrier2 | June 2, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

SBJ and his Libertarian and Republican friends don't think Mossville, LA needs clean water:

They say the 14 chemical plants surrounding this African-American community are making residents sick.

As evidence, they point to government blood tests showing residents with three times the normal levels of dioxins in their blood. Dioxins are carcinogens, often called the most toxic substance known.

Health surveys in Mossville show widespread respiratory problems and other ailments. Residents also say many in the community have died young, from cancer.

After years of rebuffing their requests, the EPA in January agreed to test whether Mossville qualifies as a federal Superfund site.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/02/mossville.results.toxic.america/index.html

The oil disaster in the Gulf is terrible. But we have major environmental issues every single day in this country due to lax regulations and shoddy oversight. Quite frankly, in sum, the state of this country's environment is PATHETIC because of the Right Wing's indulgence of corporate welfare and corporate special interests. It is disgusting what their policies do to us (young children dying of cancer) and even worse that they try to cover their behinds with slick corporate lawyer talk like "free markets" and "suffocating long-term economic growth." These are truly despicable and demented people who promote this destructive ideology.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 2, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

There are some Irish Pubs in Israel. Why not allow a few of them in Gaza, and Israel would do itself a lot of good, if it would just send some senior members of the government to go on board the Irish vessel and sail into the Gaza port, and then hoist a pint or two with the Irish, The Malaysians, and The Palestinians.

All the confrontations, and suicide attacks, have only made things worse.

Time for some Guinness diplomacy.

Let the state of Palastine declare it's Independence, along the 69 borders, and have all who now reside within those borders be declared citizens of Palastine. If the ultra right wing settlers do not like that, then they would be free to go back to where they came from; The Legitimate State Of Israel.

Once there is an actual State Of Palastine established, any further attacks from there, on the state of Israel, would be acts of war, and Israel would be in much better standing, to treat them as such, and wage war against the aggressor state.

KISS.

Just do it now.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
"Does the spill threaten Obama's efforts to restore faith in government? Who knows, but one imagines Obama could begin demonstrating more forcefully that government isn't just a force for good; it can also be effective check on the sort of out-of-control private entities that helped bring about the Gulf disaster."

Yes, it does.
And I'll grant you that "restoring faith in government is what the Alleged Hawaiian is trying to accomplish,(because I doubt very much that he is).

The reason that it makes his restoration ploy such an obvious unicorn-fart is that the Macondo well was INDEED being regulated by government, (at least in theory), entities...namely the Coast Guard, the EPA and the MMS of the Department of the Interior.

And see how that worked out for ya?

"Obama has belatedly set out on this course, finally threatening prosecution of BP after acknowledging that he'd initially placed too much faith in Big Oil's ability to police itself."

Hey...if BP and/or Transocean executives and managers broke the law, then by all means, throw them in the pokey.

BUT.

What of the government regulators who were apparently not interested in doin' any regulatin'?
When is AG Holder going to investigate and prosecute THEM?
Or is the prosecution of civil servants limited solely to Bush DoJ lawyers who offer opinions on the legalities of how to interrogate declared terrorists and unlawful enemy combatants?

What faith in government is that kind of hypocrisy supposed to engender, moonbat?

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Birther Bilgey is off his meds again.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bilge, tell us that story again about how the tide will 'just wash the oil back out to sea'

We all need a good laugh.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 2, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse


As a person of Irish ancestry, I would implore the Israelis to move aside and let the drunken sods through lest you find yourself being drunkenly slobbered on by two girls named Molly and Shannon, both of whom are fighting over who gets the "swarthy guy".

Posted by: flipyaforeel | June 2, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

White House says Israel has all but committed to there being no repeat performance of the flotilla attack:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/white_house_to_israel_no_repea.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 2, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Glad Obama is on this track: this is the essential question of his presidency, and everything the administration does can and should be proof that government plays a key role in every citizen's life.

To argue to the contrary ("get your hands off my...") ignores reality.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 2, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

flipyaforeel

Your mother having been impregnated by an Irish Wolfhound, does not bestow "Irish ancestry" on you.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 2, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Starting with 'Government IS the problem' Reagan (remember him?)"

Your partial quotation of his statement makes yours a falsehood.

I'm shocked, shocked, that a leftwinger would misrepresent the facts.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"This the same crowd who took the record $237 billion surplus that President Clinton left them and turned it into a record $1.3 trillion deficit."

This, for example, is not only a distortion -- ignoring, for example, the role of Congress -- but includes an outright lie. Clinton left no such surplus. The illusion of a surplus is only created by not counting money borrowed from social security. Of course, the dishonest Obama only counts that way on the front end.

What a liar.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

About time. Obama has been forced into a didactic challenge he would have much rather avoided for the duration of his presidency. Government is how civilized people come together to solve our common problems. Government protects us from rapacious corporations. It protects out environment. It protects the weak against the strong. I think that Obama's inherently conservative nature has, so far, compelled him to seek compromise even with those who scorn him. My guess is that the Gulf Oil Disaster has changed all that and his conservatism will impel him to exceedingly reluctant to take extraordinary risks -- on policy, on principle, on results -- in an effort to appease the antigovernment forces that have rampaged through the nation for 40 years. The GOD has brought it home to Obama that some things cannot be compromised. For example: Don't hold your breath for offshore drilling to resume in the Gulf: It ain't gonna happen while Obama is president.

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Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, QB: Waiting for you to weigh in on Kirk's falsifying his service record. Or do your "requirements" only apply to Democrats? Don't bother: it's a rhetorical question. You got no bona fides, My Friend. You are a GOP propagandist.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Quarterback1: Obama, the new kind of politician, deals exclusively in three types of discourse.

Hyperbole
Distortion
Outright lies
-----

Good list but hey, you forgot the Straw Man argument, which he employs here, saying "It's a belief that government has little or no role to play in helping this nation meet our collective challenges...."

It's the national problems that are the responsibility of the gubmint: defense, tariffs, true interstate commerce. And I will never again use the word "collective," now that all the socialists have come out of the closet.

What Obama is arguing for is using the coercive power of the Federal gubmint to solve State or local problems.

Guffaw of the day: "Obama's inherently conservative nature...." Thanks, wbgonne.

Posted by: tanker2 | June 2, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama is a simplistic, divisive gas-bag.
Obviously he did not sleep through high-school rhetoric. But he did manage to ignore everything else. He is a pissant in every respect, from his undistinguished and misrepresented past, to his mysterious lack of moral credibility and personal responsibility. Even his being disbarred is conveniently hidden from the Citizenry. Goodness, how did we Americans let this happen? I suppose we have come to expect this as a "norm" for politicians. Curious, as I wouldn't accept this from my own family or friends, let alone Mr. Obama.

Posted by: wcmillionairre | June 2, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Cons prior to BP oil spill - "Drill Baby Drill! Less government, more private business! Govt only makes things worse, let business do it's thing!"

Cons after BP spill - "Where is the federal govt? Help us! We need money, we need resources, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!"

Posted by: BirchMan | June 2, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

wb,

Sure thing, even though their sins are not of the same order, Kirk should step aside, just like Blumenthal should step aside, and be replaced by a good candidate who can take down the unaccomplished and crooked failure the Dems are running.

Now waiting for you to man up on the Sestak affair.

But you won't, because you are an Obama shill. Tanker was right -- Obama as conservative, what a hoot. You have no credibility.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The unintended "guffaws" around here nearly always originate with you GOP idiots, a side effect, no doubt, of getting your "information" from FOX News and Rush Limbaugh. This is no exception.

P.S., My comment re: no more Gulf drilling during Obama's presidency should have been limited to "deepwater" drilling, i.e., where we have no idea what to do when something goes wrong.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Soul-less Livestock Ethan-slave offers:
"BJ and his Libertarian and Republican friends don't think Mossville, LA needs clean water:

They say the 14 chemical plants surrounding this African-American community are making residents sick.

As evidence, they point to government blood tests showing residents with three times the normal levels of dioxins in their blood. Dioxins are carcinogens, often called the most toxic substance known.

Health surveys in Mossville show widespread respiratory problems and other ailments. Residents also say many in the community have died young, from cancer.

After years of rebuffing their requests, the EPA in January agreed to test whether Mossville qualifies as a federal Superfund site."

Moonbat Liam, whose lack of a soul is rivalled only by his lack of functional brain cells, asks us all to believe that the EPA is the gubmnit butt-boy of the Republitarians and conservatives.

And the cud-chewing dirt-merchant thinks that I'm off MY meds?

Firthermore, moonbat Liam has never, I wager, been within 200 miles of Mossville OR Calcasieu Parish, LA, while I spent the summer of '08 working out of Cameron LA, just down the Calcasieu River from the joint.

The point being that for hundreds of miles along that arc of coast, Louisiana AS WELL as Texas, you have little OTHER than chemical and peroleum plants.

This is the "drain" of America's surface waterways, literally as well as figuratively.

It makes perfect sense to put such installations as far as "downstream" as you can.

One wonders if moonbats, for all their eco-wee-weeing, have ever gone camping for any length of time without ending up being hospitalized for self-infected dysentery, (or worse).

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey QB, why don't you call into Rush's radio show? I'm sure he'll be glad to talk to you about Sestak and all the imaginary crimes you conjure. Me? Not so much.

And the fact that you GOP morons are too dumb to recognize that Obama does indeed have a conservative nature is just par for the course. Talk to Rush about that one, too. Have a good time.

Bye.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey BP Bilgeslave!

Has the "tide" moved all the oil out of the marshes yet, as you predicted with all your "expertise"? Once that happens we're all set because, like Rush says, the ocean will simply cleanse itself. Just like the pelicans will.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

slavebgone:
"The GOD has brought it home to Obama that some things cannot be compromised. For example: Don't hold your breath for offshore drilling to resume in the Gulf: It ain't gonna happen while Obama is president."

And watch Moonbats and Democrats disappear into the bayous by boxcar-lots once Louisiana sees the oil industry jobs, (about the only jobs that REMAIN down his way, now), all "go away" thanks to the Alleged Hawaiian's pandering to the neo-Luddites of the Sweat Lodge.

Friendly advice to idiot moonbats...don't come to South Louisiana or Eastern Texas answering adds to "rescue afflicted Gulf oil disaster wildlife".
The natives down here are likely to feed you to the alligators.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama is conservative, compared to his pal Chavez, for example.

I also get a good laugh out of the shop-worn charge that conservative commenters get their info from Fox and Rush.

Isn't it ironic that we read leftwing blogs like this all the time. In fact, I spend much more time reading your leftist drivel than listening to Rush or Fox. And all of you are completely ignorant of what conservatives actually think and have to say. Because you are afraid of ideas different from your own and prefer your state of ignorance.

Cliches and unexamined assumptions are your way of life. Thanks for the chuckle, though. And be sure to get your talking points from Ubermoron and Madcow tonight.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

""""This is the "drain" of America's surface waterways, literally as well as figuratively.

It makes perfect sense to put such installations as far as "downstream" as you can."""

Simply, no.

You simply DO NOT pour dioxin in the water.

You simply DO NOT pour sulfuric acid in the water.

You simply DO NOT pour deadly chemicals in the nation's waters.

If you think that's okay, you're probably suffering from mental disorder from living in too close a proximity to industrial pollution.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 2, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It was a great speech - woohoo!!
And it's mindboggling that anyone could vote Republican considering they're STILL sticking with their FAILED ideology that has caused so much suffering for the middle class.
Weird.

Posted by: angie12106 | June 2, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

QB1:
"Yes, Obama is conservative, compared to his pal Chavez, for example."

Well, the Alleged Hawaiian IS "conservative".

He's all about keeping HIS money, ain't he?

He favors religious private-school education for HIS daughters.

He seems to have been favorably disposed in the past towards privatizing government housing as well.

slavebgone may have a point there.

If he brushes his hair and wears a hat, maybe none of the other moonbat cattle will notice...

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

BP Bilgeslave:

The fact that the best jobs in So. LA are on oil rigs is EXACTLY WHY Louisiana has been a basket case for 100 years. Oh, and it's also why the So. LA fishers will never work again. What a ringing success and why would Louisianans want to give up all that goodness? BTW: I've been to So. LA plenty of times. I love the area and I like the people and they like me. They aren't all morons like you. OTOTH, E. Texas is all yours!

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

quarterback wrote>>>And all of you are completely ignorant of what conservatives actually think and have to say. Because you are afraid of ideas different from your own and prefer your state of ignorance.

YES! we're afraid of Conservative ideas that were tried and FAILED.
Republicans are like Edsels - they're not coming back anytime soon.

Posted by: angie12106 | June 2, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Once more for those with Rush-damaged brains: Obama has a CONSERVATIVE NATURE. Do you even understand what that means? Or are you so brainwashed that every time you hear a buzzword like "conservative" you start spouting Rushbo like a Pavlovian dog?

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"This the same crowd who took the record $237 billion surplus that President Clinton left them and turned it into a record $1.3 trillion deficit."

This, for example, is not only a distortion -- ignoring, for example, the role of Congress -- but includes an outright lie. Clinton left no such surplus. The illusion of a surplus is only created by not counting money borrowed from social security. Of course, the dishonest Obama only counts that way on the front end.

What a liar.
__________________________________________
Then I guess this was proven when Dick Cheney said "Deficits don't matter". And why bust Obama for doing the same thing every CONGRESS since the Nixon Administration has done exactly this?

Posted by: PeterPamZ | June 2, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

"This is the "drain" of America's surface waterways, literally as well as figuratively."

Yeah, it's also known as the Mississippi Delta, the most fertile area in the whole d*mn country. Great idea to treat it like a garbage dump.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

slavebgone:
"Oh, and it's also why the So. LA fishers will never work again."

What a hyperventilating little hysterical moonbat twit you're being.

Is there still a fishing industry in Alaska?

"The fact that the best jobs in So. LA are on oil rigs is EXACTLY WHY Louisiana has been a basket case for 100 years."

Actually, the best jobs are on the beach in LA, SUPPORTING the oil industry.
Y'know...Halliburton.

And he fact that Louisiana has been a DemocRat bastion for 100 years, certainly has not helped the state.(Couldn't even build decent levees to keep Pontchartrain out, f'rinstance, despite New Orleans being the #1 tonnage bulk cargo port in the entire country).

"BTW: I've been to So. LA plenty of times. I love the area and I like the people and they like me."

O RLY? Look, just because they laugh and point their fingers at you in the carnival sideshow doesn't mean that they REALLY like you, moonbat-boy.

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Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

BTW: Because "the drain" is now poisoned there is already talk that the Bulefin tuna fishing off New England must be curtailed. NEW ENGLAND! This disaster is going to damage the entire country. ANd idiots like you want more. Drill Baby Drill. Right through Rush's fat head.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

angie12106:

Like Obama has said: The Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they want the car keys again. Good Americans don't let government-haters govern. Vote Democratic in November!

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

slavebgonne:
"BTW: Because "the drain" is now poisoned there is already talk that the Bulefin tuna fishing off New England must be curtailed. NEW ENGLAND!"

Don;t you know what that allegation is REALLY about?

BP having to pay "legitimate claims".

Cagey Yankee fishing concerns establishing their case for "free money".

This is how moonbats help the poor unemployed Louisiana fishermen...by hogging up the trough of money so that none is left for them.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a secretive, power-mad, arrogant, narcissistic, dictatorial, snobbish, the-only-virgin-in-the-Chicago-whorehouse, unChristian, unAmerican, petulant, fence straddling, enemy-appeasing nature, none of which is conservative.

You mistake dithering for analysis, and verbal diarrhea for leadership.

Posted by: tanker2 | June 2, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"Is there still a fishing industry in Alaska?"

First of all, before this is done the amount of oil in the Gulf will make the Valdez look like a thimble. Second, the Gulf is largely a contained bowl of water, unlike Alaska which is ... really big and spread out. Third, the Gulf Coast is highly developed which adds enormous additional stress on the sea. Fourth, I'll remember not to look up BP Bilgeslave next time I'm in LA. Fifth, it is idiots like you who are responsible for this Gulf disaster because, by cheering for Big Oil like it's a high-school football team, you have enabled Big Oil to buy off LA's politicians (both parties) forever.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"BP having to pay "legitimate claims. Cagey Yankee fishing concerns establishing their case for "free money"."

I'll bet BP is glad to have you on its legal defense team. The people of LA? Not so much. If you aren't careful, it will be YOU getting fed to the gators.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Then I guess this was proven when Dick Cheney said "Deficits don't matter". And why bust Obama for doing the same thing every CONGRESS since the Nixon Administration has done exactly this?"

First sentence is incoherent.

Second sentence misses the point. Obama is criticizing Bush for "record" defecits. But Obama is the biggest spender and deficit creator of all time, by a wide margin.

So don't ask why I am busting The One. Ask The One why he is busting Republicans. He obviously doesn't care in the least about defecits or profligate spending.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

shorter slavebgonne:

Just answer the question.

Is there still a fishing industry in Alaska?

Yes there is.

And there's still an oil industry there, too.

So, there goes you and your tree-hugging. pelican-sponging eco-hissy-fit.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey QB and BP Bilgesalve, looks like you found yourself a new friend in Tanker. He possesses the same paranoid imbecility as you. I'll bet you'll have lots of fun together.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Just watched the speech... BRAVO, Mr. President. BRAVO.

"The time has come to aggressively accelerate that transition!"

YES! Let's do it! We've been waiting far too long.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 2, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"tree-hugging. pelican-sponging eco-hissy-fit"

Wow! Just when I think you have peaked in stupidity and ignorance you go and pop another Personal Best. Kudos, My Friend: You are truly a Master Moron.

Speaking of ...

"But Obama is the biggest spender and deficit creator of all time, by a wide margin."

For the millionth time: Bush wrecked the economy and now you Republicans blame Obama for fixing it. You all are a bunch of juvenile delinquents who should be in reform school.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Enough fun with the trolls for me.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 2, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"For the millionth time: Bush wrecked the economy and now you Republicans blame Obama for fixing it. You all are a bunch of juvenile delinquents who should be in reform school."

Characteristic gobbletygook from a simpleton.

Obama hasn't "fixed" anything. He IS wrecking the economy and the country, by vastly expanding government and spending us into oblivion, for nothing.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

My daughter asked me this today "Why do people think President Obama is so smart?" Good question. Out of the mouths of babes........

Posted by: jefferson4 | June 2, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

QB:
"Characteristic gobbletygook from a simpleton."

slavebgonne would need a brain transplant and YEARS of intensive training to attain "simpleton" status.

And why would he want to put in all the work?

He prolly makes a good living as a carnival sideshow freak on the "Crawfish Circuit".

He certainly seems to appreciate the mirth that he inspires among the yokels.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 2, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Weather they are Dems or GOP they are all liars and crooks. It is time to get rid of the politicans and replace them with publis servants that have the peoples best intersts are heart and not this bunch that are more interested in build their little empires. To hear people say thisg like, "What's the big deal, Bush did it" is getting very tiresome. A crook is a crook period. And just because Bush did something doesn't make it right for Obama to be just as underhanded. AND HE IS!!!!! He is just as un american and dishonest as Bush. Maybe more so.

Posted by: Hopinghere2 | June 2, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Bilgeman,

"He prolly makes a good living as a carnival sideshow freak on the "Crawfish Circuit"."

My theory is that he posts comments during recess.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 2, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so it's "heartening" for you, is it Mr. Sargent, for Obama to "double down" on big government? Will it be "heartening" for you when he gets the Civilian National Security Force Established? When he finally comes to realize the true Value of Guantanamo (as a gulag) and starts sending journalists with whom he has issues down there on sabbaticals? Oh, we see you think it's just BP executives he's going to send down there. Keep whistling, Sarge.

Posted by: chatard | June 2, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

and with applause from the dems in the house and senate...
our freedoms are stripped away one by one...

Posted by: DwightCollins | June 2, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Doubling down" is a useful metaphor here. Unfortunately, he is borrowing from our grandchildren for the wager.

Posted by: edbyronadams | June 2, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Oboobma claims that "leaders in the other party will campaign furiously on the same economic argument they've been making for decades."

A hilarious claim inasmuch as it's Oboobma who forever wants to party like it's 1936.

But yeah, growth and freedom are old ideas — as old as the Republic. They drew people here from every corner of the globe — people fleeing oppression by a political elite.

Government is not a "force for good", for the simple reason that only some get to define the good, and everybody else is out of luck. To the extent government is necessary, it's a necessary evil. Beyond that, government merely serves to rob you of power and concentrate power in the hands of political elites.

Furious? Damn straight. Oboobma's extremist ideology and his insane campaign to destroy growth and freedom in America MUST BE ABSOLUTELY DEFEATED.

Posted by: thebump | June 2, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Doubling down, that's the marxist way; we'll look like the former USSR before it's all said and done, if this fool is around much longer.

Posted by: hared | June 2, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

No one has to say a word about Obama. He's his own worst enemy. He's done more harm to himself and the party then the Republicans ever could. We've been with government all our lives. Every year we pay taxes. Every day we live with laws and regulations of the government. To try and say the Republicans want no government in our lives are talking points for Obama and the Democrats. American's are not anti government. Their anti socialism. Don't confuse government with the socialism government Obama wants for us.

Posted by: houstonian | June 2, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

obama is doubling down to the extent that his socialist convictions and community organizer experience allow.

Posted by: wmpowellfan | June 3, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

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