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* It's the deregulation, stupid: One of the outstanding questions about Obama's handling of the spill has been whether he'd seize on it to make an aggressive case against the knee-jerk deregulatory ideology that ran rampant before he took office.

Now he's done that in an interview with Politico, taking direct aim at the hypocrisy of those who pose as anti-government diehards but are suddenly demanding a robust Federal response to the spill:

"I think it's fair to say, if six months ago, before this spill had happened, I had gone up to Congress and I had said we need to crack down a lot harder on oil companies and we need to spend more money on technology to respond in case of a catastrophic spill, there are folks up there, who will not be named, who would have said this is classic, big-government overregulation and wasteful spending."...

"Some of the same people who are saying the president needs to show leadership and solve this problem are some of the same folks who, just a few months ago, were saying this guy is trying to engineer a takeover of our society through the federal government that is going to restrict our freedoms."

The problem for Obama, of course, is that the perception of government impotence in the face of the spill risks undercutting Obama's larger project of restoring public trust in government's competence.

It's an interesting paradox: Even as the spill's destruction dramatically illustrates the need for more robust Federal regulation, the government's inability to respond effectively to the spill now that it's in motion risks undermining his larger effort to move the debate in the right direction. Polls show very low confidence in the government's handling of the spill.

One can only hope the public realizes that the inability to halt the spill shouldn't have any bearing on the argument over whether more Federal regulation, and real Federal energy reform, are required to prevent such disasters in the future.

* Senator Bill Nelson, for one, is not satisfied: He wants to know who's in charge of the cleanup.

* Michael Crowley on why the Gulf spill may not trigger a major shift in the conversation: We're stuck in a recession, and Big Oil still holds vast sway over our economy.

* Obama Anger Watch: President also tells Politico that the public doesn't want him to show emotion, just to solve the problem: "The media specifically is demanding things that the public aren't demanding."

* New York Times urges Obama to push both Israel and Turkey to embrace an international probe because it's in Israel's best interest.

Not gonna happen, though: The White House has already said it favors an Israeli-led investigation (with some kind of international hand).

* Charlie Crist continues shedding his GOP skin, bashing Marco Rubio for favoring expanded drilling.

* And Weigel suggests that Sarah Palin's criticism of a previous Newsweek (owned by the Washington Post Company) cover just may have paid off:

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What else is happening?

UPDATE, 4: 05 p.m.: Harry Reid is first out of the box with this new ad attacking Sharron Angle:

By Greg Sargent  |  June 12, 2010; 10:20 AM ET
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Greg,

Are you aware of any reporters having looked into which politicians were behind the 75 millon dollars oil spill liability cap?

I think the public needs to know the complete history of how that became law. It made it cheaper for BP to cut corners, with such a small liability, than it would have been for them to build in proper safeguards, and well shut down technology. When was the law passed, and who sponsored it, and voted for it? We need to know the entire history of how the game was fixed for Big Oil.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Re: Newsweek cover of Grizzly Palin:


Looks like her prayers were answered, according to reports, God gave her a new pair of bigger breasts!

Not sure if she can still claim to be in "a traditional marriage", now that Todd is actually married to Three large boobs.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Does the Mineral Management Services own any submersible craft?

If not, then how the hell could they do any independent surprise inspections, of offshore wells, where they enter the sea bed, before signing off off on inspections?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Greg:

I think Crowley is wrong. At best, his predictions are grossly premature (even allowing for the nature of predictions). The magnitude of the Gulf Oil Disaster is not even close to realization yet. The oil leak hasn't even been stopped yet and can't possibly be stopped for at least 2 months. By that time, the amount of oil in the Gulf will make Valdez look like a triviality. And the Gulf, in contrast to Alaska, is heavily populated and developed for tourism and fishing and pleasure boating; it is not ONLY an oil resource. In short, the scope of this disaster will be staggering and it is just beginning to come into view. American public opinion will alter significantly, I predict, as the scale of the disaster becomes more apparent and the role played by the anti-government, anti-regulation forces in the country comes into stark relief. Just look at the poling on offshore drilling; already support is dropping like a rock and we are only at the beginning of this. One thing Americans hate: bad stories that won't end. And this may well be the mother of them all before all is said and done.

I do think this will be a game-changer regarding energy in the U.S. The most likely reason to doubt that fundamental changes will occur, I'd suggest, is the fecklessness of the Democratic Party (the current GOP is irrelevant to any sensible discussion). Just like with other major issues, like health care and Wall Street regulation, public opinion will be far ahead of political will. (Yet another reason why the Republicrats are worse than useless; they are counterproductive.) If the politicians just get out of the way and follow public opinion, grand changes will occur.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 12, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Liam -- I think that's a good question about the liability cap. It's also worth asking why the admin won't commit firmly to supporting not just lifting the cap, but also retroactively applying it to BP.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 12, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Reid ad slams GOP nominee on Scientology, Medicare

"Angle is testing the limits of anti-Washington sentiment in a year when many voters are eager for change. She wants to abolish the Education Department and repeal the 16th Amendment that established the federal income tax. She has said Social Security and Medicare are "broken and bankrupt" and should be privatized."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gE82X-KeYxz-1keatRaHyrGSJpRgD9G9ETLO2

That's the ticket, Harry. I think Reid wins this handily.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

wbonne, I really hope you're right about this being a game changer, but I fear you're also right about Dems being too feckless to seize this moment. It's very depressing. As Obama might put it, if not now, when?

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 12, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I think wbgone's right, the BP gusher is the nuclear bomb of our generation. Without the spectacle of instant devastation as in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but with all the unfolding, long-lasting devastation. We've only begun to get our arms around this.

Posted by: KathleenHusseininMaine | June 12, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

We need to have the names of all those politicians who pushed through the tiny liability cap on oil spill damages. We have to expose them now.

It was like limiting each drunk driving penalty to a One Dollar maximum fine.

We need those names now, so that we can expose those politicians, while the voters' attention is focused on the completely avoidable disaster.

Greg,

Get us the the names. This is an election year.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid has picked up a couple of Nevada Republican endorsements. The mayor of Reno, who says that Sharron Angle is just too extreme, and the (almost) ex-wife of Gov. Gibbons, who says nearly the same. Angle's support of storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain is deeply unpopular in NV.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 12, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

I do not see how a law can be changed to allow a raised liability cap, to apply retroactively, after the damages were caused under the existing cap. I doubt if it would hold up in court.

The cap limits should be eliminated entirely, for all future cases, but the current case should probably be handled in the courts, by bringing criminally negligent charges, and going after massive fines, and reparations, to get around the current liability cap.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

The Oil Pollution Act of 1990 was passed in the house 360-0, with 72 not voting.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1990/roll320.xml

It was passed unanimously in the Senate by voice vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Pollution_Act_of_1990

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 12, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

That does not tell us who sponsored the liability limitations amendment.

We need to know who slipped that into the legislation.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

This is where we should be able to go into court, and get around the liability cap.

"The law stated that companies must have a "plan to prevent spills that may occur" and have a "detailed containment and cleanup plan" for oil spills."


BP has violated that section of the law, so therefore, they are no longer protected by the liability cap limits clause.

BP did not meet the law's requirements; "to have a detailed containment and cleanup plan in place"

Asking the public to submit suggestions in how to contain the spill, and clean it up, after the spill has already happened, is clear proof that they had not plan in place, that would satisfy the requirements of the law.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Time to watch some world cup soccer. Have a good day all.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Here ya go, Liam:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d101:H.R.1465:

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 12, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

List of 79 cosponsers of the Oil Pollution Act, 1990.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d101:HR01465:@@@P


I still would like to know the names of those who promoted the insertion of the liability cap, into the bill.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 12, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Liam, the whole history of the bill is located at the link. Feel free to dig around and get the information you are looking for. Goodness.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 12, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Greg, two things about the cap. One is that Constitutionally, I don't think they could make it apply retroactively if it weren't negligence BUT

As Far as I can tell about the cap liability of 75 million, that only applies if there wasn't criminal negligence or it was done intentionally, hence the DOJ's involvement. Since it's likely that it was one or the other, that 75 million number is meaningless.

Posted by: calchala | June 12, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Liam, I've got your answer.

It was Pete Wilson who submitted the cap of 75 million. BUT, it was approved on voice vote.

Here's the info: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d101:11:./temp/~bdp3gT::

Posted by: calchala | June 12, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

7 co-sponsors:

Sen Chafee, John H. [RI] - 8/3/1989
Sen Lieberman, Joseph I. [CT] - 8/3/1989
Sen Cranston, Alan [CA] - 8/3/1989
Sen Gorton, Slade [WA] - 8/3/1989
Sen Graham, Bob [FL] - 8/3/1989
Sen Durenberger, Dave [MN] - 8/3/1989
Sen Roth Jr., William V. [DE] - 8/3/1989

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

"Liam":
"I do not see how a law can be changed to allow a raised liability cap, to apply retroactively, after the damages were caused under the existing cap. I doubt if it would hold up in court. "

Who are YOU and what did you do with my chum the moonbat slave Liamility?

Halleluiah! It finally sank in.

Now let me give you a wee "inside baseball" tip.

The other oil companies and consulting firms are going to line up to testify that there WAS criminal negligence at Macondo, and that BeePee was the responsible party.

What happens in a school of sharks when one shark gets a cut and starts bleeding?

That takes care of BeePee's OPA90 liability limit cap.

But...the price for the others taking part in the "gang-bang" against BeePee, is going to be a liability cap of SOME amount.

Unlimited liability is unreasonable and frankly, absurd. It really will shut down offshore everywhere, and then trial lawyers will eventually start seeking unlimited liabilities everywhere.

Not even governments accept unlimited liabilities. If they did, Indian Reservations would be 70% of our land mass, and every emancipated slave would have had title to 40 acres of whatever was left over and NOT reservation.

And a free mule.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

What if they cannot stop this leak? That would be a condition of "runaway", according to this author: http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/business-technology/bp-and-the-gulf-oil-spill-lessons-for-it-and-business/ - Ch. 21 of his book "I.T. WARS" is a real eye-opener too – can Google to it.

Posted by: janice33rpm | June 12, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Against my better judgment I looked into the Oil Pollution Act ("OPA"). This is a summary:

1. BP is responsible for all cleanup costs.

2. BP is also on the hook for economic damages (lost income) to the Gulf fishers, hoteliers, restaurants, etc. HOWEVER, BP's liability for these economic damages is capped at $75M UNLESS "gross negligence" or a violation of another law caused the spill.

3. The $75M figure was in the bill as originally proposed in both the House and the Senate. (The House version was ultimately adopted.)

4. Rep. Miller (D-CA) attempted to amend the law before passage by changing the trigger for exceeding the $75M from gross negligence to simple negligence but that effort failed.

5. When the 75M cap is reached, economic damages are compensated through the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund ("OSLTF"). the OSLTF is funded largely through per barrel tax on American oil. There is presently approximately $1.7B in the OSLTF.

6. HOWEVER, the amount available from the OSLTF is capped at $1B per incident.

7. None of the dollar amounts in OPA have been increased since passage in 1990.

So the biggest questions are:

A. Will BP get away with paying just $75M (plus whatever it voluntarily agrees to pay) for economic damages and then draining the OSLTF?

B. What happens when the $1B OSLTF is depleted?

C. Assuming access to the $.7B above the $1B OSLTF per incident cap, what happens when the $1.7B OSLTF is completely depleted?

Have fun y'all!

Posted by: wbgonne | June 12, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"The other oil companies and consulting firms are going to line up to testify that there WAS criminal negligence at Macondo, and that BeePee was the responsible party."

And the evidence of the others doing this is already starting to become...evident.

Note the WSJ letter to the editor from Terry Barr, President of Samson Gas & Oil calling out the red flags that BP ignored. He concludes (but read the whole letter):


"This well failed its casing integrity test and nothing was done. The data collected during a critical operation to monitor hydrocarbon inflow was ignored and nothing was done. This spill is about human failure and it is time BP put its hand up and admitted that."

He's wearing a "Witness for the Prosecution" t-shirt.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703303904575293270746496824.html?KEYWORDS=Samson#articleTabs%3Darticle


Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 12, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Salazar is going to be the next piece of dunnage included in the next Junk Shot:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/06/026520.php

"The seven experts who advised President Obama on how to deal with offshore drilling safety after the Deepwater Horizon explosion are accusing his administration of misrepresenting their views to make it appear that they supported a six-month drilling moratorium -- something they actually oppose.

The experts, recommended by the National Academy of Engineering, say Interior Secretary Ken Salazar modified their report last month, after they signed it, to include two paragraphs calling for the moratorium on existing drilling and new permits...

...Salazar apologized to those experts Thursday."

Time for Mr. Salazar to retire.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

suezkoo:
"Note the WSJ letter to the editor from Terry Barr, President of Samson Gas & Oil calling out the red flags that BP ignored. He concludes (but read the whole letter):"

Good Lord, but that's powerful!

The ugly naked truth, laid out as linearly as one could ask for.

These moonbats are barking up the "Liability Cap" tree for a different reason than they are claiming.
BeePee ain't getting out of it's responsibilities for Macondo by invoking OPA'90.

One of the many other dogs that haven;t barked is the communications records and paper trail between Company Man Vidrine and BeePee World HQ.

That evidence should be illuminating.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Good heavens, Bilgeman, you're making your points without resorting to name-calling! You make a lot more sense this way. . . although I'm still going to reserve the right to disagree with you. Back to the World Cup! USA!!

Got a couple of drinks riding on this with a Limey. . .

Posted by: Michigoose | June 12, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

And your comment about the interest of the comm records is right on point.

Posted by: Michigoose | June 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I take issue with the Newsweek cover. It's not "Saint Sarah"; it's "Our Lady of Perpetual Butthurt". As I pointed out on my own blog, http://3weirdsisters.wordpress.com - where I also noted the eerie similarities between Palin and politician Greg Stillson of Stephen King's The Dead Zone.

Posted by: JennOfArk | June 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Michimoonbat:
"Good heavens, Bilgeman, you're making your points without resorting to name-calling! You make a lot more sense this way. . . although I'm still going to reserve the right to disagree with you."

Busy day at work.
It looks like somebody's ship is getting chartered by the company that MAY have the contract to raise a piece of gear or two from the Macondo.

Perhaps the erstwhile blowout preventer.

Everyone who IS in the know is pretty mum about it, but we had to take our own ROV's, control vans, Launch And Recovery Systems,(LARS), and umbilical winches OFF so that the charterer could put their own ROV's etc. ON.

That's a LOT of work just to go out, dunk the robots, and have them turn a valve or two somewhere.

I could be totally wrong, but we're being told about no smoking on deck in the vicinity of "the well"...and 't'ain't many offshore wells that have THAT restriction.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Against my better judgment I looked into the Oil Pollution Act ("OPA")."

This comes after days wb's making bogus assertions and ridiculous arguments about the OPA and BP's liability.

SOP for liberals, I guess.

Isn't it something how the statute explicitly distinguishes between removal costs and damages?

Just like I told you people, only to have the peanut gallery led by Ethan call this nothing but semantics. Now, finally, wb goes to the trouble of giving a basically accurate summary of the act!

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Liam said:

"I do not see how a law can be changed to allow a raised liability cap, to apply retroactively, after the damages were caused under the existing cap. I doubt if it would hold up in court."

I believe that would be the correct constitutional ruling, but, as I have said before, the Court has not always applied the ex post facto clause very strictly in the civil context.

One of the broader consequences of retroactive repeal in a situation like this is that it represents a gross departure from the rule of law, which is critical to maintaining a sound and growing (if it ever grows again after Obama) economy. The more arbitrary decisions like this, the more capital is frightened away.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

QB1:
"This comes after days wb's making bogus assertions and ridiculous arguments about the OPA and BP's liability.

SOP for liberals, I guess."

Yeah, right?

Remember four years of ceaselessly being told how Al Gore won the "popular vote" and W had been "selected"?

And then when 2004 rolled around, they nominated John Freakin; Kerry!

How many thousands of Americans have died from lack of affordable health insurance/care/ OPM since the "ram-down" of Socialist Utopia ObamaCare?

146 a day, or whatever the number broke down to, to whip the livestock into a stampede.

And then Socialis Utopia ObamaCare doesn't even take full effect for YEARS.

It's like living with a hysterical paranoid schizophrenic...with Alzheimer's Disease.
(They forget who it was that was all trying to kill them two hours ago because now there's a whole differnt set of enemies trying to do them in)

Maybe we could put medication in their lattes or something,

Or broadcast sub-aural "be-cool and relax" sounds over their cell phones.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"Anxious that Wikileaks may be on the verge of publishing a batch of secret State Department cables, investigators are desperately searching for founder Julian Assange. . . . Daniel Ellsberg tells The Daily Beast, 'Assange is in Some Danger.'"

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-10/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-hunted-by-pentagon-over-massive-leak/full/

Posted by: jzap | June 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"One can only hope the public realizes that the inability to halt the spill shouldn't have any bearing on the argument over whether more Federal regulation, and real Federal energy reform, are required to prevent such disasters in the future."

Greg, I think your paper's own poll revealed that the public may realize that:

"The new Post-ABC poll reveals a widespread perception that poor federal regulation was at fault in the gulf spill. About 63 percent point a finger at inadequate enforcement of regulations, and 55 percent see an overall weak regulatory structure. "
[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/09/AR2010060903547.html]

That suggests that the public understands the need for more strictly enforced, updated (i.e., better), and/or additional regulations.

Also, considering the plunge in support for offshore drilling that Post poll found (others have found similar results), the public may be in a position to embrace a more progressive. clean energy platform.

Posted by: associate20 | June 12, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Bilge,

"Remember four years of ceaselessly being told how Al Gore won the "popular vote" and W had been "selected"?"

and how Gore "won" Florida, even after a review spearheaded by liberal media found . . . he didn't!

It doesn't surprise me anymore, but it still boggles my mind how someone like wb can spend days making strident and vitriolic claims about something and then admit he finally forced himself to go read the law about which he has been shrieking.

Slaves not only to the Big Nanny state but to fanatical ideology.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Lots of oil-spill data for your inner geek:

http://www.energy.gov/open/oilspilldata.htm

Posted by: jzap | June 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Liam -- I think that's a good question about the liability cap. It's also worth asking why the admin won't commit firmly to supporting not just lifting the cap, but also retroactively applying it to BP."

Ethan and wb have given you the only possible answer to that question in their hysterical rants and lectures this week.

Obama and his flunkies are obviously rapacious capitalist criminals who are in pay of Big Oil and put the interests of the criminal enterprise known as BP over those of hardworking Amurcans.

They JUST DON'T CARE about Amurca.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

QB1:
"It doesn't surprise me anymore, but it still boggles my mind how someone like wb can spend days making strident and vitriolic claims about something and then admit he finally forced himself to go read the law about which he has been shrieking.

Slaves not only to the Big Nanny state but to fanatical ideology."

Or a paid stooge for Chavez.

From that neo-Noriega's POV, whipping up as much hysteria as possible among the moonbats and trying to cause a mass episode of popular mental flatulence would benefit him greatly.

Especially seeing as how we have a weak-minded buffoon who's most notable accomplishment has been voting "Present" sitting in the Oval Office.

Too many foreigners have a say in our domestic politics for my taste.

And yes, that goes for conservative ones too.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

http://billhalter.com/

Ha-Ha-Ha Halter!

Just thought y'all might want to take one last wistful look at the page before Ha-Ha-Ha Halter vanishes into oblivion.

Ha-Ha-Ha!

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Bilgey,

Come on now, Obamessiah was a community agitator and did some time suing banks to force them to make risky loans, too.

No one was ever better prepared and qualified.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

QB1:
"No one was ever better prepared and qualified"

For what, though?

Ever since Pelosi's little on-camera melt-down over the CIA and the EIT briefings that she claimed she'd never been to, I've been fascinated by watching her hands whenever she gives a speech.

It;s most noticeable when it's a formal speech, the yak to the House exhorting passage of Socialis Utopia ObamaCare was a classic.

She does these weird starnge hand gestures...like she's using Extra-terrestrial Sign Language or something, (which is a distinct possibility). or she's manipulating her invisible puppet.

Or, 'scuse me...avatar.

Maybe the Alleged Hawaiian is Pelosi's avatar?

He's freakishly tall and differently colored, and he does bear a certain resemblance to a highly regarded space alien:

http://www.photochopz.com/gallery/data/500/Lieutenant_Commander_TUVOK_OBAMA_BLOG.jpg

and:

http://www.starfleet-knights.com/Pictures/tuvok.jpg

So maybe that's the deal, Obama is an avatar and Pelosi is his puppet-mistress.

All funnin' aside, her hand jive really bothers me. People with mental illnesses have been known to do that.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hard to imagine the craziness getting even worse but it is. New threat from progressives ... the World Cup
http://mediamatters.org/research/201006110040

There may not be a limit to the downward here.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 12, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"There may not be a limit to the downward here."

OMG - school children are playing soccer!!! Oh No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 12, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Why the friggin' hell are the media less concerned with the corporate denial of thier access to public areas affected by the spill than they are about Obama's anger-level? Of all the crap going on right now, this one really pisses me off.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201006110040

Posted by: bernielatham | June 12, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

As I am unable to pay for the Newsweek from Hell with its horror pict on cover -- my fingers would fall off leprosy-like -- do let me know if there are any tidbits worth cutting down a tree for.

I'm in deep mourning that Sue "ChickenChick" Lowden is in the rearview mirror. Quelle domage! -- what a shame! The New Nut may be great eventually for Humor Inc, but the Chicken gig was tops in quirk.

Posted by: wendyf | June 12, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Bernie, remember that's how they found out the Russkies (commies, reds) were in Cuba: sat photos of soccer fields.

So I'd assume that every soccer pitch built in America makes Uncle Sam cry.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 12, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Canadian Man-bag:
"Why the friggin' hell are the media less concerned with the corporate denial of thier access to public areas affected by the spill"

Can't speak to whatever allegations are on about the shoreside, but out at the site, we do not need helicopters and airplanes and boats full of gawkers, professional or otherwise, gettting in the way of operations.

Now you DO understand that no news organization would EVER admit to "interfering", but then most reporters would be so woefully ignorant of what is going on that they really would not know enough not to endanger us...and themselves.

And there are dangers on-site. Methane is escaping that well, too. Methane goes BOOM!, even up in mid-air.
And the well might belch forth some even nastier stuff...Hydrogen Sulfide comes to mind. Very stinky, then your olfactory nerves get anesthetized, and then you die of asphyxiation.

Also, consider that almost every vessel out there has a helicopter landing pad on it...these get used, y'know, so having a fleet of news helicopters buzzing around us at less than 3000' WILL get in the way of flight ops.

And frankly, there just ain't that much to look at.

Yes, there's an oil slick.

There's a ship....there's another.

Big Whoop.

Kinda like that other crazed moonbat who kept demanding the State Police's submarine to go down and show the REAL STORY on the sea-bed.

When I challenged him on what he thought his own chartered ROV's might show that BeePee's chartered robots supposedly weren't, he responded with crickets.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The introduction and insidious promotion of soccer on the USA is most definitely part of the commie pinko plot against us. It is all part of the master plan to seduce our youths away from wholesmome American sports like football and baseball and the values and traditional of our nation that they embody. Thus the constant drumbeat of promotion and propoganda for the past forty years for this wretched and debased game that most decent Americans still want no part of. I knew we had gone to hell in a handbasket when ESPN started forcing this travesty of a sport on us. The fix is in. The commies are everywhere.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

BG - Good point.

Here's Rand Paul on mountaintop mining and how "no one is going to miss a hill or two"
Included in the piece is a sat photo of the Appalachians showing all the hilltop mining operations there. Take a look.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/rand-paul-mountaintop-removal-i-don

Is he merely really stupid about this or what? How do we properly refer to the claim he makes and its distance from real states of affairs? It's not a lie in the definitional sense though a lie by consequence (people tricked into thinking something seriously untrue).

Posted by: bernielatham | June 12, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

It all started with he involuntary flouridation of our drinking water.

We were dosed against our wills,like cattle, and told that it was good for us.

And we believed it.

And if any of you moonbats really want to argue the case, I'll put your Statist arguments to rest by pointing out that Europe does not flouridate its drinking water.

http://fluoridealert.org/50-reasons.htm

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 12, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I flipped over to FOX last night to see a portion of this Fiorina performance on Hannity. It was groveling while pretending, of course, something other. Not easy to watch... http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/rand-paul-mountaintop-removal-i-don

Posted by: bernielatham | June 12, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Bilge, given the state of English teeth, I think fluoride would have been worth the mind-control risks.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 12, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Once they control your drinking water and start putting chemicals in it, well, it's curtains. Soon comes the takeover of the universities, the schools, the media, and the corruption of our youth with the socialists' sport.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 12, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second... Saint Sarah? When did she die?

Posted by: wiscoman | June 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The Gulf Oil Spill Disaster, Part 2:

In the preceding post I gave a thumbnail sketch of the legislative history of the Oil Pollution Act' damages provisions. In any legal case there the two parts: 1) liability; and 2) damages. The prior discussion pertains to damages only.

As for liability, there are two facets: 1) the Energy Act enacted under the Bush Administration; and 2) the regulatory world of MMS under the direction of the Department of Interior. I haven't much researched the Bush Energy Act but it seems to be just what it sounds like: the Bush Energy Act. Use your imagination for the time being.

For the regulatory story, I commend the article by Tim Dickinson in Rolling Stone. (I know that this article has been mentioned on this site by, I think, MikefromArlington among others, but I didn't read it until today when my copy arrived in the mail.) It is a damning portrait of utter corruption of MMS under Bush. The complete breakdown of the regulatory process. And the failure to change those policies or replace agency leaders coupled with the continuation of Bush's MMS practices under Salazar and Obama. If that article is accurate, Ken Salazar should be fired immediately.

And by way, the Gulf Oil Disaster is far worse than we are being told.

O&O.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 12, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

"When did she die?"

I'd say in her mid- to late-teens. I don't think she was born dead.

Posted by: jzap | June 12, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

qb:

"The introduction and insidious promotion of soccer on the USA is most definitely part of the commie pinko plot against us."

Indeed. What other than a socialist sport would consider a draw to be a "result" worthy of awarding points? An undeniable attempt to kill our competitive spirit.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 12, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

As I understand it, for every barrel of oil spewed out – lost – poured out in a disaster, a fine will be imposed. It would seem that this knowledge has been behind the reason BP initially downplayed the estimate of oil at 5000 barrels per day. Now that a tally can be kept of what is being piped aboard the other rig and boats that will store, for processing, this oil, a better estimate of the fines accruing can be made.

This will not of course include all the millions of barrels of oil BP has dispersed – via the use of toxic chemicals – into the waters of the gulf, and possibly worldwide!

I mean if you can’t see it, you can’t count it – so therefore it isn’t there coz YOU can’t prove it!

FULL STORY

http://just-me-in-t.blogspot.com/2010/06/if-you-cant-measure-it-how-can-you-fine.html

Posted by: justmeint | June 13, 2010 3:56 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry! That "perception" of government incompetence is merely the increasing frequency of policy failure and administrative inaptitude. The reality is tragicomedy.

President Should-a Could-a.

Posted by: tao9 | June 13, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Currently the number 1 bestseller on Amazon...The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=sv_b_3

Highly recommended reading, especially for the economic "differently-abled" here on Plum Line.

FYI for Bernie...the book was written in 1944 England, so your predictable "Republican propaganda" dismissal will be a tough sell, although with the crowd around here, I wouldn't be surprised if you found a couple of buyers.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I wrote a post yesterday on the professional marketing campaign that underlays the "tea party" and "grizzly mama" narratives, noting the case of Rebecca Wales, founder of the DC Tea Party and Dir of Communications for Smart Girl Politics who is also Production Director for Republican advertising firm, Sandler-Innocenti (she'd also been employed by that firm to organize for the McCain-Palin and Giuliani campaigns). The Sandler-Innocenzi website "who we are" section tells you what is going on here (if you missed it, go look) http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/happy_hour_roundup_27.html#comments (10:07am)

I also pointed to the entirely-by-design manipulation of media content and narrative by operations such as this. Here's another example this morning from the Boston Globe...


"WASHINGTON — A record number of Republican women are running for federal and statewide offices this year, encouraged by GOP recruiting organizations, the high-profile candidacy of Sarah Palin in 2008, and voters who see the women as natural agents of change, according to political analysts and officials.

Such an influx is expected to have significant implications for the image of the Republican Party, which has long been seen as a party dominated by white men. As the number of female voters continues to rise, more diverse tickets would broaden the appeal of the party, especially with independent voters who could be critical in several fall midterm races, said Jan Larimer, co-chairwoman of the Republican National Committee.

“It’s time for a new generation of conservative leaders,’’ said Kelly Ayotte, a former New Hampshire attorney general running for the GOP nomination for US Senate. “We need reform in Washington. Look at what the good old boys network has gotten us.’" http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2010/06/13/gop_women_a_rising_force_in_the_party/

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

ps...that's a page one story

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Scott - Interesting. What happened ten or eleven days ago?

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Ohhh...Glenn Beck happened.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"I also pointed to the entirely-by-design manipulation of media content and narrative by operations such as this. Here's another example this morning from the Boston Globe..."

So let's get this straight...The left routinely pushes the theme that the Republican party is a party for old, white men. The Republican party sets out to counter this by proving it wrong, recruiting women candidates from its ranks and making them the face of the party. And to Bernie this is nothing more than "manipulation of media content and narrative".

In other words, Bernie is attempting to create his own narrative in order to save the increasingly implausible old one that Republicans are all old men.

Can you say propaganda?

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

XenophobeinCHI:
"Bilge, given the state of English teeth, I think fluoride would have been worth the mind-control risks"

Don't be an Ugly American parochial chauvinist!

Different cultures have different standards of attractiveness.

Apparently in Britain, crooked and chipped teeth are considered beautiful...

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 13, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

@Scott - Perhaps you are going to advance the claim that Republican women hold office at similar percentages to Dem women in office? That ought to be fun to read.

And, again, from the Sandler-Innocenzi "who are we" page (just a tidbit)...

"Sandler-Innocenzi has provided our clients with the most cutting edge strategies order to help them craft their messages. We have assisted in the creation and strategic communications, the production of films, television and radio commercials, media planning and buying, political consulting and media training.

Sandler-Innocenzi has established proven methods of delivering messages that resonate with voters, move public opinion and effect change. Sandler-Innocenzi can provide the political communications expertise needed to overcome any obstacle. In short, we move public opinion through political communications and advertising...successfully."

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"The introduction and insidious promotion of soccer on the USA is most definitely part of the commie pinko plot against us."

This and the fluoride stuff is qb and bilge being funny right? I missed most of the comments yesterday and I'm off to a slow start this morning. Is there a joke going around?

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

We knew that Cheney's ex communications aide Anne Wolmack-Kolton had been hired on by BP to do message/damage control PR. I didn't know Josh Bolton, former WH Chief of Staff for Bush was in the mix here too...not to mention a cute little crowd of Goldman Sachs folks... http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/article7147145.ece

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Ims - joke? Oh, yes... http://mediamatters.org/research/201006110040

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Good Wonk Room piece on BP and dispersants
http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/13/too-much-dispersant/

As I noted the other day (and as Ims has likely pointed out) the chemical makeup of dispersants is proprietary and so nobody knows what these chemicals are other than the producers (in the case of Corexit, produced by Nalco, an oil industry company connected to BP and Exxon).

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Weigel points to this Ryan Grim piece on message control... diverting attention from the spill and it's causes/consequences onto the moratorium... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/11/republicans-jubilant-abou_n_609430.html?ref=twitter

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Bernie, somehow I missed all of that soccer silliness. They're digging pretty deep on that one. And you're right about the dispersant, no one know the long term effect. It's never been used on this scale or this deep so there's definitely some concern over what the heck's in it. A grand experiment in the GOM. I've got my fingers crossed.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

" Senator Bill Nelson, for one, is not satisfied: He wants to know who's in charge of the cleanup."

Given the long experience of the Coast Guard with oil spills, including particularly Commander Allen, and the overwhelming desire of them and BP to get this thing under control, I do not believe this "who's in charge" meme at all. I do not believe that the response is disorganized.

Nelson has oil globs threatening Florida beaches, and has got to make a show of anger and outrage for the folks back home.

Posted by: rhallnj | June 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ims - The World Cup thing Media Matters details is really quite interesting. The xenophobia is celebrated. Then, of course, there's Canadian hockey, Scandanavian skiing, etc etc. True patriots play baseball (well, maybe not, as it originates in Britain or France), football (poop, English) and shoot craps (oh, damn, dice are Asian). Well, anyway, for some a few sports were written into the Constitution, or something.

Beck is something of a blessing. Who would have imagined somebody would come along further into the crazy than Limbaugh and gain such a following on the modern right? It seems an inevitable consequence to the extremism and paranoid sense of victimhood that marks the movement. Sort of a "this is who we really are!" perspective results.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

It is mostly in good fun but not totally. ; ) I have been a vocal member of the soccer resistance for decades.

I hate the game and really hate how it has been forced upon us on political grounds. I started hearing it back in the seventies: We should play soccer because it is the world's game. It is Democratic and nonviolent. It is multicultural.

I grew up in a football crazy area. All boys wanted to play high school football. Football was everything. We played the other big sports too but football was king.

But most of us grew up in a peace church denomination as well, and there was always a little undercurrent against our beloved but violent sport. Our moms were reluctant supporters.

And we once had to talk one of our friends and top athletes out of going to the local Christian school, where they played . . . soccer. I've known it was evil then.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 13, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

@rhallnj - My take is a bit different. I don't think Nelson or Jindal or Carville are merely playing to audience here. I think they are each truly worried about the consequences, both short term and long, of this spill. And I think too that their emotion is not, for the most part, faked. Surely BP is operating mainly to minimize their liability up the road (quite a different motivation than doing what they ought to do for the overall good) and that motivation is certainly, I think, making matters much worse.

But the significant factor in this is the size and the nature of this disaster and the helplessness we all feel in response. Lots of folks are lashing out at whatever target is at hand. Not rational but understandable.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

My vote for quote of the day, from Kevin Drum (h/t Benen)...

"Who could have predicted that a cranky, leaderless movement with no real goals and driven mostly by an inchoate sense of persecution, aggrievement, and Sarah Palin hero worship would eventually turn in on itself and splinter into a thousand embittered little pieces?" http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/06/it-beginning-end-tea-party-movement

This beats out the number two contender, from Bill Kristol at Weekly Standard...

"Everything Mark Steyn writes is worth reading."

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

As a sports enthusiastic family, both watching and playing, we always just encouraged participation of what the kids seemed inclined to enjoy. Most kids growing up don't end up playing professional sports, so it's all about participation, discipline, team work, and exercise for us. Baseball, football, soccer, rugby, rowing, skiing, dancing, snowboarding, surfing, sailing, swimming, basketball, we've pretty much done them all. Feels like a made-up controversy to me.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

What will be the health consequences of BP burning the amount of oil they plan to set alight? I've wondered when this question was going to be addressed...
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/11/95781/plan-to-burn-excess-oil-from-bp.html

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"One Man Government". Fallows on Mitch McConnell's selfless endeavors to improve the country through personally derailing the confirmations of more than 80 federal appointees...
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/06/one-man-government-the-clock-ticks-on/58014/

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse


qb:

"The introduction and insidious promotion of soccer on the USA is most definitely part of the commie pinko plot against us."

Indeed. What other than a socialist sport would consider a draw to be a "result" worthy of awarding points? An undeniable attempt to kill our competitive spirit.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 12, 2010 10:48 PM

.....................

FYI

American Football. NFL rules.

"n a regular-season NFL game, if neither team scores in overtime, the game is a tie."


Try to remember that; you Right Wing Jingoistic Moron.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Here's a great run down of the 10 things that frighten right wingers. Nice to have it all in one place.

#9. The browning of America

"Rather than shaking over the prospect of a white demographic minority like Buchanan, they’re afraid the venom coming from Republicans like Tom Tancredo (R-CO) and JD Hayworth (R-AZ) will saddle them with a structural inability to win national elections for a generation. As former Republican House majority leader Dick Armey, the chairman of the corporate-funded front-group Freedomworks and a key organizer of the angry and ostensibly “grass-roots” Tea Parties, put it, “Who in the Republican Party was the genius that said that now that we have identified the fastest-growing voting demographic in America, let’s go out and alienate them?"

http://www.alternet.org/news/147159/10_things_that_terrify_right-wingers/?page=3

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

@Ims - It's the Freedom Fries version of patriotic sporting. Mind you, if the US team advances very far, what is and is not patriotic will be carved out rather differently by the spinning-eyeball crowd.

Have a fine day, all.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry! That "perception" of government incompetence is merely the increasing frequency of policy failure and administrative inaptitude. The reality is tragicomedy.

President Should-a Could-a.

Posted by: tao9 | June 13, 2010 7:53 AM
......................

Right Wing Republicans killed government ,and the regulation of rapacious big business, and now complain about the government they weakened, being too weak.


You disingenuous clowns, are like the guy who killed both his parents, and then started whining about being left an orphan.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

So, was the 75 million spill liability cap, set back in 1990, a hard figure to last through the ages, with no annual adjustment for inflation?

What was the purchase power of 75 million, back in 1990, compared to now, two decades later?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"So, was the 75 million spill liability cap, set back in 1990, a hard figure to last through the ages, with no annual adjustment for inflation?"

Liam: There was no adjustment for inflation built into the law and the law has never been amended so the $75 is still in place.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 13, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Reality Check:

Keep reminding the people;


Under eight years of Bush/Cheney; not one net job was added in the United States Of America.

Not one net job, folks, even thought the population seeking jobs, expanded by several million.

For eight years, the Republican Administration; did not even keep up with population growth, so in reality, millions of jobs were lost, and none created in the entire eight years, that they were in the White House.

You have to keep reminding the public of that harsh reality.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"So, was the 75 million spill liability cap, set back in 1990, a hard figure to last through the ages, with no annual adjustment for inflation?"

Liam: There was no adjustment for inflation built into the law and the law has never been amended so the $75 is still in place.

Posted by: wbgonne

.......................

I thought so, and I just wanted to shine a spotlight, on the short sighted morons we have enacting enduring national legislation.


Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I see that President Obama has now come around to asking for a BP compensation escrow account, to be set up.

That was something I called for, on this blog.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

There is a huge battle looming in the next week of recovery vs. deficit reduction. It's a fight Obama needs to win. I remember so many months ago some of us here arguing against the deficit commission until economic recovery really took hold. Now we're seeing the results of not enough short-term spending and looming economic misery. Now he gets it.

"On Saturday night, the White House released a letter Obama sent to congressional leaders of both parties asking for nearly $50 billion in emergency aid to state and local governments to fend off "massive layoffs of teachers, police and firefighters" and to prevent a possible double-dip recession."

"We are at a critical juncture on our nation's patch to economic recovery," the president warned. "It is essential that we continue to explore additional measures to spur job creation and build momentum toward recovery, even as we establish a path to long-term fiscal discipline. At this critical moment, we cannot afford to slide backwards just as our recovery is taking hold."

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Mark Kirk:

The Peter Pan Of Military Service:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/elections/ct-met-senate-kirk-giannoulias-20100612,0,2203077.story

"Kirk again challenged over military record
Congressman's use of 'deployment' comes under scrutiny

By John Chase and Todd Lighty, Tribune reporters

June 13, 2010

When Republican Senate candidate Mark Kirk says he repeatedly deployed to Afghanistan with the Navy, he's referring to two-week training missions as part of his annual reservist requirements.

After acknowledging a series of misstatements that embellished his Navy service, Kirk is being challenged over his use of the military term "deployment," and this could be yet another opportunity for critics to parse his words in what has recently become a resume-bashing battle with Democratic Senate opponent Alexi Giannoulias.

Deployment can mean more than one thing in the military, but it is often used to describe service members going off to war for an extended time.

Navy Cmdr. Danny Hernandez said there is a difference between annual training and being deployed, which can sometimes last more than a year.

"I would think that would be (considered) two weeks of annual training," Hernandez, a Navy spokesman, said of Kirk's stints. "A deployment is a deployment and annual training is annual training.""

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Tuesday night Oval Office Address after visiting the Gulf again.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

All, Boehner buckled and supported lifting liability cap for BP:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/pressure_on_boehner_pays_off.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Bernie asks:

“Perhaps you are going to advance the claim that Republican women hold office at similar percentages to Dem women in office?”

No, I am advancing the claim that I made, not one you would like me to make. Perhaps you are trying to change the topic?

The truth is that you object to Republicans highlighting the existence of their women candidates because it shows leftist propaganda about Republicans being sexist, old men to be precisely that...propaganda. So now you create a new propaganda line in an attempt to save the old one. Your effort is silly and transparent, even if the choir to which you are preaching here is too dim to see it.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Republicans are busy trying to pass laws to invade a woman's right to make her own health care and reproductive decisions.

Republicans have aligned their party with Red State Christian Ayatollahs, and The Vatican Global Pedophile protection Mafia, in order to dominate and control women.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 13, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

All, new thread:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/pressure_on_boehner_pays_off.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 13, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

"Try to remember that; you Right Wing Jingoistic Moron."

Heh.

I'm well aware of the rules of the NFL. Are you aware that there are no ties in the NFL playoffs, which is the proper analogy to the World Cup? Are you aware that, even during the regular season, no NFL team actually plays the game to get a tie, unlike many teams in the World Cup? Are you aware of an announcer at an NFL game ever saying in all seriousness "A draw here would be a good result for both teams"?

Draws are very, very much a part of soccer culture. Not so much the NFL.

Now, let me give you a little information that you are most certainly not aware of. I have been a soccer fan since I started playing the game as a 6th grader. I played all through high school and actually got pretty good...got recruited to play at a couple of small colleges. I am a huge follower of the Premiership in England, and would wager that I could name more current international players than you have ever heard of in your life. I will watch as many World Cup matches this year as my schedule will allow, and I have spent more time defending the game of soccer from criticisms (mostly from my brother, who just can't appreciate it) than you have spent whining and moaning about the right. (Yes...that much!) I am, at the moment, winning the World Cup pool that I have organized for family and friends.

However, despite my genuine interest in the game, I wholly understand and in fact agree with much of the criticism of the game that emanates from people in the US. The game is far too often a defensive battle (and far too easily played to be one.) The fact that draws are such a common occurrence, particularly in the World Cup, is a real travesty. And the promotion of the game for political purposes, as qb notes, is ridiculous and merely invites the kind of metaphors and mockery that Beck offered up the other day.

Try to remember THAT you ignorant, humorless, geriatric buffoon.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Attention, geriatric and humorlessness buffoon named Liam: There is no such thing in the USA as American Football. There is football and there is soccer.

That is all.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 13, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

qb:

"There is football and there is soccer."

It is interesting that most people seem to think that "soccer" is an American term created to distinguish English football from our own. That is false. In fact the term "soccer" is an English term. England originally had two kinds of football, Rugby football and Association football. In order to distinguish between the two, the slang terms "ruggers" and "socca" (short for "association") came to be used. "Socca" eventually became a legitimate word as "soccer". At least that is what I was told when living in the UK.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"No, I am advancing the claim that I made, not one you would like me to make. Perhaps you are trying to change the topic?"

Come on, Scott. If criticisms of the GOP have related to higher levels of gender discrimination and if those higher levels of discrimination are, you know, like real, then you don't have much of a case for indicting such criticisms. Doncha think?

"The truth is that you object to Republicans highlighting the existence of their women candidates because it shows leftist propaganda about Republicans being sexist, old men to be precisely that...propaganda."

Actually, what I've been doing is describing a particular and quite specific marketing strategy that's been in place since the Palin nomination. Both the 'tea party' narrative and the 'mama grizzly' narrative have been concocted and/or fowarded in the board rooms of Republican marketing companies, Sandler-Innocenti being one. As the quote above from Sandler-Innocenti demonstrates clearly, that is exactly what the purpose of their operation is. Yes or no? Along side this strategy has been a propaganda operation in place most particularly including FOX but not exclusively there (see NRO, talk radio, and many others).

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Scott,

That's interesting. I vaguely knew "soccer " was not an American coinage but didn't know that history.

I have tried to appreciate rugby but find it boring. It always reminds me of an organized, team form of a game we played in my part of the country called Smear the Queer. Now, that was many years ago, and I have no idea how it got that name. We were playing it as kids before we would have had any clue about the connotation. The kids today call it Kill the Carrier. : (

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 13, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

lms: "Is there a joke going around?"

Two, I'd say, at least.

Posted by: jzap | June 13, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"...not to mention a cute little crowd of Goldman Sachs folks."

My guess is that Bernie wasn't quite so contemptuous of Goldman's assistance when that "cute little crowd of Goldman folks" were acting as the second largest group of contributors to the campaign of one Barrack Hussein Obama. Nor when those same employees were directing some 75% of their political donations in 2008 to Democrats. Nor when they contributed to Dems over Republicans at a rate of 2 to 1 ever since 1996.

One could be forgiven for thinking that perhaps his selective derision towards Goldman people is a bit opportunistic and cynical. Perhaps, one might say, even propagandistic.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Bernie: "... Corexit, produced by Nalco ..."

Nalco -- what a foul-sounding name, eh?

Posted by: jzap | June 13, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

qb:

"Smear the Queer"

Oh yeah, I remember that one. Naturally, the name has had to change. These are sensitive times.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"If criticisms of the GOP have related to higher levels of gender discrimination and if those higher levels of discrimination are, you know, like real, then you don't have much of a case for indicting such criticisms."

And what better way to engage in "real" discrimination than putting forward and promoting candidates that are, like, women. Those Republican marketers are really out-of-the box thinkers. What a clever and nefarious plan to hide their true thinking.

"As the quote above from Sandler-Innocenti demonstrates clearly, that is exactly what the purpose of their operation is. Yes or no?"

Yes Bernie, marketing firms often engage in, er, marketing. That's quite a discovery you've made. And, no doubt, both the Dems in general and Obama's operation in particular are entirely unfamiliar with either marketing or marketing experts.

You are silly.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Scott - you've fallen back into the spitting thing. I've no interest in playing.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

jzap:
"Bernie: "... Corexit, produced by Nalco ..."

Nalco -- what a foul-sounding name, eh?"

Product naming (or ingredient naming) is fun to observe. A classic case was the Renault (R-17 or some such) which when renamed as "Le Car" suddenly saw sales rise by many multiples.

Industrial terms (corp names or product names) tend to stay away from that sort of "cute" wordplay and head towards the severe or abrupt (quite like military terminology).

It simply wouldn't do for Northrup to name one of their products as "Le Death".

Posted by: bernielatham | June 13, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"I've no interest in playing."

So what? I guess what you haven't figured out is that I am not soliciting responses from you. The Rubin episode the other day showed what you are really about. I'm content with simply pointing out the silliness of your obsessions regardless of whether or not you are "interested".

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It's really comical but is getting boring to see Bernie daily peddling the garbage about vast right-wing marketing conspiracies. Propoganda!!!

As if his side isn't populated with hordes of professional marketers, spin shops, friendly media, shadowy money networks, political hatcheteers and freelancers, and all the rest.

Good grief, Obama himself has Axelrod as his political svengali and runs the biggest astroturfing operation in the world. Then there are Soros, Media Matters, Tides, Schumman, MSNBC, the Nation, American Prospect, New Republic, NYT, WaPo, netorks, Hollyweird moguls, Goldman cronies, Move On, on and on and on.

Silly indeed.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 13, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca:

"Here's a great run down of the 10 things that frighten right wingers."

Oh my. An inside look at the minds of conservatives from a loon blogger who, by all evidence, has never actually met one.

Please tell me you were being ironic, lms. Otherwise I'll have to seriuosly consider the idea that Bilge was really on to something when he called you lmstonedinca.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know Scott, we had a dinner party last night for old friends and the two gun owners seemed worried about quite a few of those ten scenarios. Interesting night.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the cover photo is of Dana Carvey.

Posted by: hoser3 | June 13, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

It should be called 10 things liberals are confused about.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 13, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the list made you guys nervous. Do you see yourself in there somewhere?

Posted by: lmsinca | June 13, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

lms:

"I think the list made you guys nervous."

Which just goes to show that there is just no accounting for the liberal thinking process.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 13, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

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