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Sharron Angle floated possibility of armed insurrection

Here's another one that could be tough for Sharron Angle to explain away: In an interview in January, Angle appeared to float the possibility of armed insurrection if "this Congress keeps going the way it is."

I'm not kidding. In an interview she gave to a right-wing talk show host, Angle approvingly quoted Thomas Jefferson saying it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years -- and said that if Congress keeps it up, people may find themselves resorting to "Second Amendment remedies."

What's more, the talk show host she spoke to tells me he doesn't have any doubt that she was floating the possibility of armed insurrection as a valid response if Congress continues along its current course.

Asked by the host, Lars Larson of Portland, Oregon, where she stands on Second Amendment issues, Angle replied:

You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government. And in fact Thomas Jefferson said it's good for a country to have a revolution every 20 years.

I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies and saying my goodness what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out.

Larson says Angle was floating the possibility of armed insurrection if Congress keeps it up under Reid et al.

"If it continues to do the things it's doing, I think she's leaving open that possibility," Larson said. "And I think the founders believed that the public should be able to do that when the government becomes out of control. It just matters what you define as going too far."

The most charitable interpretation here was that Angle was floating armed insurrection -- or "Second Amendment remedies" -- as a defensible response if electoral politics fails to change where things are headed under the current regime.

Also, the larger context is key: TPM reports this morning that Angle was a member of the far-right Independent American Party, a pro-gun, states-rights party that warns against the threat of global government.

She has also said she's a member of the patriot group "Oath Keepers," though she's since disavowed that bunch.

By Greg Sargent  |  June 15, 2010; 1:32 PM ET
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In the context of that statement, the phrase "take Harry Reid out" (as opposed to "defeat Harry Reid" or "send Harry Reid home") is a little disconcerting.

Posted by: zimbar | June 15, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Tougher to explain away to whom?

The new Republican strategy is to avoid anything other than FOX and right-wing radio like the plague. I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of these hacks actually shows up to a debate.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | June 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

And Greg's "trickle" plan to help Reid continues...He DOES appear to need all the help he can get.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's see her try some of her "Second Amendment remedies."

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 15, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why extremists like Angle have a need to tone down their positions. Why not lay it all out and let the voters decide. Same with Paul. Why not just lay out there what you want and let the voters decide.

But hey, if they don't want to stand next to their statements its fair game to bring them up over and over to remind the voters who it is they are considering voting for.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
"The most charitable interpretation here was that Angle was floating armed insurrection -- or "Second Amendment remedies" -- as a defensible response if electoral politics fails to change where things are headed under the current regime."

I hope your mind isn;t rotted enough with moonbattery for you to fail to realize that this kind of rhetoric, while it makes your herd of beta-male livestock squawk and bleat in fear, actually is a big plus for Ms. Angle among us on the Right.

And I would observe that DemocRat Etheridge has proven himself far more violent than Sharon Angle is ever likely to.

You ARE calling for DemocRat Congressman Etheridge to resign his office for his unprovoked criminal assault and battery are you not?

Or do you condone violence by DemocRat politicians against members of the public?

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Fair game: "Reid stated that Obama could be a successful candidate because he ...speaks with "no Negro dialect."

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

sbj3:
"Fair game: "Reid stated that Obama could be a successful candidate because he ...speaks with "no Negro dialect."

Would that make Harry GReid an "Atypical White Person"?

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

What's there to explain for Angle? Obama started it with his Manchurian radical agenda that the voters hate. They expressed this clearly by voting for him overwhelmingly after he telegraphed exactly what he would be doing if elected.

How is this any better than King George and the British tyrants we already had to overthrow once?

Posted by: PaulW99 | June 15, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@Bilge:

"Reid's comments reflect the kind of insulting, subtle and patronizing racism that African Americans sometimes face from well-intended liberals...The idea that he would congratulate Obama for being less black sends a clear signal that he and other Americans would support Obama IN SPITE of his blackness, as if being "too black" were a liability that Obama had been able to overcome. Therefore, the whiter you are, the better you are."

http://www.bvblackspin.com/2010/01/09/negro-dialect-harry-reid/

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle:

Rebel Without A Clue!

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

sbj, we already had a long and fruitful discussion about how Obama WAS SUCCESSFUL precisely BECAUSE he was not an intimidating black figure. So yes, "as if being "too black" were a liability that Obama had been able to overcome." He won over the nation by being, to quote a book title, "The Bridge" between different groups of peoples.

You act as if there aren't real racist and racial resentments that still exist in a significant portion of the population.

Posted by: PaulW99 | June 15, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Trolls are obviously out in force to change topics today.

Why?

They're SCARED.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 15, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

Least charitable this a threat to assassinate senate majority leader.

Posted by: wiggyone87 | June 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Fair game: "Reid stated that Obama could be a successful candidate because he ...speaks with "no Negro dialect.""

Because an ill-advised, bigoted comment is EXACTLY the same as calling for the violent overthrow of the government.

And you all accuse the LEFT of moral relativism....

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

sbj3:
"Reid's comments reflect the kind of insulting, subtle and patronizing racism that African Americans sometimes face from well-intended liberals."

Well-intended liberals are the absolute worst of the worst.

Nothing like people being intoxicated with a sense of their own intrinsic goodness to turn them into soul-less monsters capable of any kind of heartless depravity.

They MEAN well.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Since Carly Fiorina cowered before Sean Hannity and apologized to him for saying that he "asked tough questions", isn't she too much of a coward, to stand up to anyone.

If Carly was scared out of her wits, just by the notion that mindless blatherskite Hannity might get upset with her, then she clearly would not be tough enough to withstand any pressure from lobbyists in Washington, D.C.

California: America already has too many Republican Bedwetters, who are afraid of their own shadows, and idiots, the likes of Hannity, so tell Carly to just keep wetting her own bed, on her own dime.

Since Carly is scared to death of Sean Hannity, she is the last person you would want to have making national security decisions.

Carly is too cowardly to protect the nation.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@PaulW: "You act as if there aren't real racist and racial resentments that still exist in a significant portion of the population."

Not at all. We have been invited to remind everyone of the stupid things that politicians have said. Using the phrase "negro dialect" (and later apologizing for insulting all offended) is clearly a stupid thing.

Really, Paul - you want to defend "negro dialect?"

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Some sick comments from the teabaggers. No surprise there. "Right" Angle is their kind of nutbag.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 15, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

@cat girl: "Because an ill-advised, bigoted comment is EXACTLY the same as calling for the violent overthrow of the government. And you all accuse the LEFT of moral relativism...."

I did not claim moral relativism, did I? Merely reminding folks of the stupid things that Reid has said. (BTW ==> are you actually claiming that Angle called for violent overthrow?)

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

repubs really really hate democracy, don't they? they lose an election and they start wanting to kill people.

Posted by: merlallen1 | June 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

She should be running in SC, she'd fit right in with that bunch...

Posted by: soapm | June 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent Moonbat Meme-Master:

Hey, anyword from the White House on why the Odministration favors a liability cap for BeePee of ONLY 20 Billion dollars?

C'mon, Sargent, you pestered Congressman Coppertone for a week about trying to make BeePee pay for Salazar's Moratorium.

Thought you'd go after the White House with equal ferocity.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@sbj: Here is the difference. Reid apologized for those PRIVATE remarks. Angle's positions that she is running away from come from her public website and public radio and press interviews. Rand Paul and Angle have not apologized for their stands, they are just trying to hide them.

Posted by: srw3 | June 15, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

we already had our insurrection... we threw the Dark Side, reicht wing wackos out and we didn't need no stinking guns. Democracy. Obama won by 8%, "war hero" and squirrel eater minus 8%.

Posted by: Geopolitics101 | June 15, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Reid's negro dialect comment up against Angle's wanting to have a revolution in the U.S. any day.

Reid used an outdated word. Angle wants to overthrow the Govn't.

Reid's comment is factual. Obama's doesn't use traditional dialect black people use.

Angle wanting to overthrow the U.S. Govn't and referencing our Founding Fathers while doing it was making a clear right wing anti Govn't position.

Sure, it goes over well with the right wingers. Bilge is proof of that.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

O/T:

Quick summary of Big Oil's Congressional testimony today:

1. All of Big Oil has the exact same response plan for a deepwater blowout as did BP for Deepwater. Most of the plans were just cut-and-paste jobs.

2. BP's response plan for a deepwater blowout is utterly ineffective. The same is true for the rest of Big Oil's response plans for deepwater blowouts. Big OIl does not have the ability to contain a deepwater blowout.

3. Big Oil is PRESENTLY operating in the Gulf at depths lower than the BP Deepwater operation, which was 5,000 feet. BP itself is presently operating in the Gulf at a greater depth than Deepwater.

4. If any of those other Gulf operations has a similar breakdown as BP's Deepwater, Big Oil has NO CREDIBLE RESPONSE.

5. The causes of BP's Deepwater blowout have not yet been established and the investigation is ongoing but Big Oil wants -- not only to continue its ongoing Gulf deepwater operations -- it also wants the 6-month moratorium lifted immediately so Big Oil can resume deepwater drilling in the Gulf.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

moonbat merlallen:
"repubs really really hate democracy, don't they? they lose an election and they start wanting to kill people"

See, I'd rather just see the South and other parts of the nation that share what could broadly be described as Southern values and culture, secede.

You don't like us, and it's plainly apparent. Well, we don't much like you-all either.

So why stay in this shotgun-marriage of 135 years' duration?

And pardon me, but I seem to recall all kinds of moonbat beta-male murder fantasies against Preznit George W Bush a few years ago.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

"are you actually claiming that Angle called for violent overthrow?"

Based on this:

"I hope that's not where we're going, but, you know, if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies"

coupled with her prior membership in the IAP, and her relationship with the Oathkeepers...yes I am.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

@srw: "@sbj: Here is the difference."

That is A difference - and there are many more. My only point is to remind readers of Reid's idiocy.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle wants to privatize the VA and leave thousands of NV vets out in the cold http://bit.ly/d4jSaJ

Posted by: JustinBarasky | June 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Bilge: Do you get your entire vocabulary from Rush and Beck, or could you speak unaided beforehand?

Posted by: sheehanjc | June 15, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Right Wingers, who hate President Obama, are now playing The Race Card, against Harry Reid, because they honestly believe that Sharron Angle is the Civil Rights Warrior that Nevadans have been waiting for.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Good job, Greg! Your readers are now convinced that Angle called for a violent overthrow of the government.

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Harry Reid... John Ensign... Sharron Angle... the best nitwits Nevada has to offer.

Posted by: whocares666 | June 15, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Angle wants to overthrow the Govn't.

Angle wants to get rid of Social Security.

Angle wants to get rid of the VA.

What else is there she's running from now?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Bilgeman 2:04,
You obliously don't know what violence is, I've seen mothers in the grocery stores reprimand their childern more "violently" than what Rep Etheridge layed on that punk.

Posted by: jmfromdc | June 15, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

O/T:

Quick summary of Big Oil's Congressional testimony today:

They all included a discussion of the effect of an oil spill on the walruses in the GoM in their environmental impact studies. (Walruses that don't exist in the GoM and haven't for millions of years.)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 15, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

P.S., and also O/T:

Whatever amount goes into the Gulf victims escrow account must be replenished as claims are paid. I'd suggest a $20B pot kept current monthly.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It's not just the democrats who need to be exorcised. The goddamn republicans with their just say no slash and burn approach need to be throw the hell out.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | June 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

SBJ's Conversion; On The Road To Damascus.

After the 2008 eight election; SBJ said that they only reason he went out to vote, was to stop Obama from becoming President.

SBJ said that if it had been Hillary V. McCain he would not even have cared who won, and would not have even voted.

He just wanted to keep that Non White guy from becoming President.

However, today he got thrown from his horse, on the road to Damascus,

and has now become an Ardent defender of The First Black President, to the point where even some one saying "Negro Dialect" makes him rush to protest such race tinged remarks.


St. SBJ has seen the light, and is now a staunch defender of President Obama.

Next up; SBJ will take his new gospel to the Birthers. SBJ is now off to baptize Birther Bilgey.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"They all included a discussion of the effect of an oil spill on the walruses in the GoM in their environmental impact studies. (Walruses that don't exist in the GoM and haven't for millions of years.)"

suekzoo1:

But we should trust them that another deepwater blowout is impossible. Shut down ALL deepwater operations until effective remedial measures are available. Anything else is not just irrational, it is insane.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Reid has done an admirable job for the country and for his state.He is a principled man, like his political views or job. She is a nut job though.

Posted by: cadam72 | June 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Mayonnaise Mike from Araynton:
"Obama's doesn't use traditional dialect black people use. "

How would YOU know? Seeing the racial disparity in Arlington, VA,(<10% African American), the closest you'd come to hearing "traditional black people dialect" would be on your teevee.

Or the field trips you;d make across the Potomac into DC's more "come as you are" sections.

"Angle wants to overthrow the Govn't."

I understand that you pass for a simpleton, and pretend that government can not and never has been wont to descend into tyranny, but you give the lie to yourself when contemplating the benign and compassionate, (if somewhat muddle-headed at times), recent administration of Georg W, Bush and Dick Cheney.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle also has tried to stop water fluoridation, and she is a member of The Church Of Scientology, Whack Job Cult.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

John Adams was not particularly impressed with Jefferson's comment about "the tree of liberty" needing to be "watered with the blood of patriots. He said words to the effect of "It's easy for Jefferson to get all dramatic about blood being spilled when no revolutionary blood was spilled anywhere near Jefferson's home on the Virginia frontier. He might see it differently if he'd been here in Boston with me where blood really was being spilled right in front of me."

Posted by: MichaelOwen04 | June 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow - amazing how low the Post will stoop in its vain attempt to protect and support Democrats. It won't work - they tried this with Deeds, Corzine, Coakley and failed everytime. Angle is 10 points up and after a few more obvious attempts at character assination by the likes of the Washington Post and MSNBC, she will move to 15 to 20 points up - just as Bob McDonnell after the Post try to ruin his reputation.

Posted by: Realist201 | June 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Slave jmfromdc:
"You obliously don't know what violence is, I've seen mothers in the grocery stores reprimand their childern more "violently" than what Rep Etheridge layed on that punk."

You are excused from the jury pool.

Violent criminal DemocRat Etheridge can tell that to the Judge...

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

"Right" Angle can start her insurrection after she bans alcohol in Las Vegas.

Note to Angle: No Las Vegas, no Nevada, you freaking loon. Your state would have fewer people than Wyoming. No one would care about Yucca Mountain, which oh by the way, Angle also wants to become a nuclear waste depository.

Seriously, who is going to vote for this nutbag?

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"What I don't understand is why extremists like Angle have a need to tone down their positions. Why not lay it all out and let the voters decide. "


Why did Barack throw his Uncle Jeremiah Wright under the bus?

Why did he pretend he didn't favor single payer?

Questions, questions.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington @ June 15, 2010 2:03 PM wrote "What I don't understand is why extremists like Angle have a need to tone down their positions. Why not lay it all out and let the voters decide. Same with Paul. Why not just lay out there what you want and let the voters decide."

Because it becomes obvious, as soon as they spout their opinions, that the public in general disagrees with them. So, since they don;t care what the public in general wants, it is best for them to hide their opinions.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | June 15, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for pointing this quote out, but you surely must be aware that this kind of talk is typical in the land of extreme right-wingers these days, and in fact one sees the same quote here on the WaPo web site every day. Pushed by the Tea Party, the Republicans have moved so far to the right that it will soon be acceptable for them to call for the assassination of moderate politicians. This is what it means to be a wingnut.

Posted by: gposner | June 15, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Bilge, how do you know I'm not black you dope.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle wants to eliminate Social Security and Medicare. She says that her position on that issue is non-negotiable. She says they must be eliminated.

The Tea Baggers have nominated a person who "wants to kill their Grannies".

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargent, while Lars Larson's radio show does indeed broadcast from Portland, Oregon, and while Mr. Larson got his start as a TV personality on a Portland station, he is a proud resident of Vancouver, Washington, where he apparently fled to escape what folks like him often describe as the socialism of Portland.

We're happy to have him gone.

So - could you please correct your note and identify him as "Lars Larson of Vancouver, Washington?"

Honor demands accuracy.

Posted by: dailykos2 | June 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Take out Harry Reid? Armed insurrection of the US Gov?

Would someone please tell Sharon she is running for the US Senate and not for a position as the new Dictator of Iran.

CindyLou@MyMidlife.com

Posted by: CindyLou3 | June 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Republicans get more insane and more violent by the day.

But what would you expect from a party with principle leaders like Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin and Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of tough questions, does anyone deny that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment is in fact to protect the unalienable right of self-defense against tyranny?


Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

None of which, of course, changes the fact that Harry Reid is unfit to serve. (Nor the fact that Angle will defeat him).

He himself offered aid and comfort to our enemies in Iraq. Some might consider that a treasonous act.

But you missed that story, dintcha' Greg?

Posted by: etpietro | June 15, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

You have to wonder what happened in these peoples lives to make them such miserable human beings.

Posted by: jckdoors | June 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The only one's who'll be taken out are the wingnut Republicans and their party of klansmen! They can't lay out their real views because they off their rockers and out of the main stream. Thankfully the Greg Sargents, Keith Olbermans and Rachel Maddows will not hesitate to expose these lunatics! Besides, we, the sane out number those idiots!

Posted by: roxsteady | June 15, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Reid is a desperate man. Right-wing Revolution!!! Woooohoooo!

Posted by: Truthteller12 | June 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I think all of these Nevada politicians have been out in the sun too long. Second Amendment remedies? Give me a break! I am all for the Second Amendment, but I have a problem with people who advocate violence to settle a purely political dispute. Those folks are deranged. And no, I'm no liberal pacifist. The whole idea behind our American heritage is that we are allowed to speak our minds, disagree and vote the way we want without fear of reprisal. It seems to me that there are too many people who believe in using any means, including violence and the threat of violence, to keep people from expressing views that go against what they themselves believe. Here's a warning to those people, don't try it, you'll be surprised at all the people from all political persuasions who will crush you for daring to try take away one our most fundemental American values. Namely, freedom!

Posted by: Sonny53 | June 15, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

All, a new poll actually tried to gauge WHY people disapprove of Obama's handling of the spill:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/why_people_dislike_obamas_hand.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 15, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3: That is A difference - and there are many more. My only point is to remind readers of Reid's idiocy.

A private comment that reid apologized for and the public positions that Angle and Paul have tried to hide but not disavow are not even in the same universe of discussion.

Paul and Angle either need to embrace their often stated positions or explain why their views have changed. Reid doesn't have this problem on the scale that the Angle and Paul do, unless you want to provide equally bizarre statements that Reid has made and not explained and tried to hide..

Posted by: srw3 | June 15, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Did Angle call for violent revolution? Yes she did. Does she favor civil war, killing of her fellow countrymen and the destruction of our republic? Apparently, yes. Did she call for the abolition of Social Security? Absolutely and undeniably yes. Is she a traitor to this country? I guess so. So too are conservatives who refuse to denounce Angle’s call for bloody uprisings, revolution and terrorism. Having made the call for armed revolt and the overthrow of the U.S. government, Angle cannot be trusted nor can she ever be granted a security clearance.

The GOP and the conservative movement have to take a stand on this traitorous woman. Are they Americans, do they believe in law and order, do they love their country – or alternatively, do they favor Ms. Angle’s stand that continued deficit spending means civil war? We all know, however, that conservatives are self righteous, petulant weasels who cheer for the destruction of democracy, the death of American troops and the destruction of our society.

Posted by: codexjust1 | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

She has also said she's a member of the patriot group "Oath Keepers," though she's since disavowed that bunch........She has never said this TPM said it about her. There are no direct quotes from her in the links you provided. And she hasn't disavowed the group either. So you are just making things up.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know what all those Nevada residents and employees think when Angle wants to take away their alcohol at their conventions and casinos. Talk about LOSING jobs! Honestly, Angle makes Palin look like a Rhodes Scholar.

Posted by: GenuineRisk | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh for the days when the leading GOP candidate in Nevada was "Chickens for Checkups" Lowden.

Harry Reid is the luckiest guy on earth right now. "Right" Angle is making Randy Paul look normal and reasonable.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

MichaelOwen04 :

Jefferson said that in reference to Shay's Rebellion, which occurred in MA while Jefferson wasn't even in the country (he was in France, I believe). And Shay's Rebellion not only preceded the drafting and ratification of the Constitution, it was one of the primary reasons the Constitutional Convention was called: the need for a strong federal government to fend off mob rule at the local level.

Ironic, huh?

See how educational Plumline can be?

Posted by: wbgonne | June 15, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we need arms to overthrow Obama or Reid. However, I think he underlying premise is right on. They must be taken out.

Posted by: nychap44 | June 15, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Note that the Republican Party will not disavow this call for treason, assassination and destruction of our government. It will instead support Angle's call with its silence.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse


"My boy Barry is a light-skinned Nigra."

- Harry the horse's asp Reid

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 15, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Bilgeman--- there will be no jury pool to be dismissed from. By the way I'm volunteering for the Rep Etheridge protection squad to hopefully get a chance to show him how it's really done.

Posted by: jmfromdc | June 15, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Greg is the Reid recycler. He is johnny come lately who thinks he is reporting new news. Everything he puts on this blog about Angle has already been out there for a long time. Guess what Greg. She made a similar comment in the Reno-Gazette Journal a while back. How long is is going to take you to Google that old story and recycle it. This is a pointless exercise. No one outside the lefty blog Eco-chamber is impressed with your little tidbits. Your getting no traction. Your posts have no legs. Reid has no traction.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | June 15, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

She accurately paraphrased Thomas Jefferson. Wow, that's proof right there she must be an "extremist".

Note also that she begins the second paragraph with the strange words "I hope that's not where we're going...". That would seem to refute your hysterical allegations that she was advocating violence in plain English. But why should such logic stand in the way of the Harry Reid liberals?

Posted by: DaMav | June 15, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

That's the Tea Party in a nut shell: Democratically elected legislature that uses majority rule to pass legislation you don't like is tyranny.

Posted by: AlanSF | June 15, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Truthteller" is to Truth, what Sarah and Bristol are to Sexual Abstinence.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Republicans by becoming more and more a right-wing fringe party, seem determined to go the way of the Federalists, Whigs and Know-Nothing party. This would be great if the Democrats truly represented ordinary people, but they don't and a viable, moderate, independent inclined, less ideological second party is needed.

Posted by: Aprogressiveindependent | June 15, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse


Dark circles under the eyes are a sign of homosexuality, Greg.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 15, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it would be a good idea to read the 2nd Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Please, someone show me in this sentence, where our forefathers were calling for the citizenry to use armed insurrection to overthrow the government? Maybe the very far right has a different alphabet then the rest of us!!
By the way, "take Harry Reid out" appears to me to be a threat of the first degree. Where's the Secret Service & the FBI when you need them.

Posted by: ArbeeIII | June 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to voting the other guy out?

Surely the Founding Fathers didn't think armed rebellion was an appropriate response to its own carefully designed democratic institutions.

The guys in power were elected. That's exactly what Jefferson and the Rest intended to happen.

You'd think there'd be armed rebellion when the Founding Fathers' nifty system actually got circumvented. Things like sketchy elections in Florida, collusion with energy companies and banks in writing regulations, ignoring constitutional (not to mention human) rights, and cutting under the table deals with military contractors during two wars.

Hey, wait a minute... I knew I should have grabbed my powdered wig and musket when the getting was good. Too late now, I guess.

I'll have to find another way to channel my rage. Like voting.

Posted by: itstrue | June 15, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, an annoyed Congressman shoving a couple of obnoxious kids with a camcorder is exactly the same as calling for the armed overthrow of the legally elected government. Really makes me want to change party registration, oh yes!

Posted by: Ellid | June 15, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

> and said that if Congress keeps it up,
> people may find themselves resorting to
> "Second Amendment remedies."

Against what? Tanks, airplanes, bombs, and nuclear weapons. Good luck with that!

Posted by: TidusNVA | June 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

This woman is NUTS.... we have ELECTIONS instead of REVOLUTION .... Maybe someone should TAKE ANGLE OUT before she gets the chance to screw up the country...

Posted by: EdSantaFe | June 15, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Moonbat Manor is feeling shockwaves of panic and fear at Harry's impending return to a life of private graft.

Hordes of new Moonbats are even coming out of their holes to chatter and scurry around in panic.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, the lamestream media has started doing the Chicken Little dance "...the sky is falling, the sky is falling..." when it comes to reporting on Mrs. Angle.

Any person that references Jefferson ain't all that bad - not by a long shot!!

Remember what Jefferson said: "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions, that I wish it to be always kept alive. ... I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere."

Harry Reid is Obama's lapdog, and beholden to SEIU and other big money unions. You cannot run NV without bumping into union lobbyists and their ilk. Reid knows them all.

Posted by: MoonDoggie | June 15, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Bilge, wait till the new census results come out.

I wouldn't be surprised if for Arlington the Latin community is 3x the last census and combined with all other minorities rivals that of other counties in VA.

We'll know shortly I suppose.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat ~ Reid's barely disguised bigotry about Obama's physical and cultural characteristics suggests that given the chance Harry would have Barry working for him as an unpaid house slave if he could.

Slavery is a rather violent sort of thing. Always the threat of death ~ for the slave, and sometimes for the master.

It's a different sort of violence than you get with armed insurrection againt a tyrannical and corrupt Congress, but anyone who thinks slavery is something better than a revolution is not anyone who ought to live in this country ~ there are over 100 OTHER countries where they'll let you be a slave all you want, and any talk of armed insurrection will be met with the extermination of your family out to your 6th cousins!

Posted by: muawiyah | June 15, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why what she said is offensive. She was just talking about why the country (not just Nevada) needs to get rid of Harry Reid (or take him out or whatever). Since when is that offensive? I think liberals need to find something better to do (like keep talking about your health care plan, tax increases and deficit spending).

Posted by: columbiaheights | June 15, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

A Well Regulated Militia as defined in the US Constitution is the US military; not some individual Wahoo’s with guns who bring Assault weapons to Town Meetings, Political Rallies and State parks to Intimidate people.

The US Military should have an Armed response to Traitors like Sharon Angle and Michele (armed uprising) Bachmann.

GOP pandering to right wing extremism, use of inflammatory rhetoric to characterize modest legislation, calls for arming (“Michelle Bachmann”), reloading (“Michael Steele”), and targeting (“Sarah Palin”) their political opponents are criminal actions that seek to divide our country for the benefit of a few rich individuals and corporations.

Anti Health Care reform advocate California GOP Congressman Wally Herger has expressed support for right-wing terrorism. Herger was hosting a town hall meeting when Citizen Bert Stead called himself a “proud right-wing terrorist.” Herger responded, “Amen, God bless you. There is a great American.”

Follow the money that funds the so call citizen protest groups.

The primary funding sources for the Tea Party are two conservative groups: Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks which receive substantial funding from David Koch of Koch Industries, the largest privately-held energy company in the country, and the conservative Koch Family Foundations. Koch industries are responsible for hundreds of Oil spills spread over multiple states.

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/assets/binaries/wanted-for-climate-crimes-cha

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries-secretly-fund

http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries

Posted by: liveride | June 15, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

What does anything stated by Ms. Angle or any of the right-wing trolls have to do with a well regulated militia?

Maybe in their hallucinogenic reality, they have been deluded by their opinion leaders that somehow the U.S. is not a free state and that the calculating centrist Obama is a stalking horse for a one-world socialist government.

Posted by: gschultens | June 15, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Thomas Jefferson also owned slaves, repeatedly raped some of them, and did not free them, even in his will.

That is not the sort of despicable hedonist that I would cite as a moral or constitutional authority, period.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Andrea_KC, finally, at long last, you slipped up and revealed your FOREIGN BIRTH and upbringing.

One of the things you learn from a very early age in the United States is that here SILENCE DOES NOT IMPLY CONSENT.

So, no, Republicans neither affirm nor deny anything in this matter ~ we are SILENT because we are allowed to be.

You want to try to pin a violent insurrection rap on us you gotta' come up with evidence and get an indictment and a trial.

Else, you're just spouting FOREIGN BS.

Time to get with the picture and assimilate.

Posted by: muawiyah | June 15, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party supports this call for murder and treason with its silence.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

liveride ~ point of order. The US constitution clearly discusses ARMIES and MILITIA separately!

In fact, Congress reserved to itself the right to call up the militia.

By logical extension of the common law, one manifestation of the "militia" are the police and firemen among us, and even registered nurses (who are registered for a reason). All your first responders are militia.

And, best of all, you and I are part of the militia. We can be called upon to secure the safety of the state and of its citizens.

Numerous Founders said the militia is the whole body of the people. That included George Mason who is father to the Bill of Rights.

I look forward to being called up with you ~ standing right beside me too. They know I'll keep my eye on you and make sure you do what is right.

Posted by: muawiyah | June 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

*this kind of rhetoric,... actually is a big plus for Ms. Angle among us on the Right.*

That is because much of the right wing is crazy and a marginal movement, which Angle will realize when she gets defeated in a landslide by Harry Reid. Even Republicans are abandoning her in droves, mostly because the stuff she says *is crazy*.

Posted by: constans | June 15, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

A Republican candidate clearly calls for murder of an elected official and treason in the form of a violent attack on our government.

And the Republican Party gleefully supports this with it's silence and it's full, active support of Angle's candidacy.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse


Sharron Angle, following her come-from-behind Republican Primary win Tuesday, has bounced to an 11-point lead over Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in Nevada’s closely-watched U.S. Senate race.

A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in Nevada, taken Wednesday night, shows Angle earning 50% support while Reid picks up 39% of the vote. Five percent (5%) like some other candidate, and six percent (6%) are undecided.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 15, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Reload" "I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

Palin's ignorant hybrid religion/political party of evangelical white supremicist and the tired old Atwater/Rove Southern Strategy GoP is appearing more dangerous every day.

Posted by: areyousaying | June 15, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The more I learn about Angle the more I wonder how even the right-wing Republicans can support her.

What a freakin' crazy woman. I know my home state of Nevada is fed up with Reid, but Holy Mackerel! This is the alternative. Yikes.

Good luck, Nevada. You either get Reid, or the whacko. One would never guess that Nevada actually has a good number more Democratic Party members than Republicans.

Wack-Angle and Rogue-Palin sound like they should hang out, but just not anywhere near an elected office, please.

Leave the guns in the hands of the mentally stable among us.

Posted by: RomeoJax1 | June 15, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

screw, how long are you going to post stale poll results?. I'm looking forward to the next poll, after some of "Right" Angle's nuttier positions have been aired.

Posted by: koolkat_1960 | June 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Angle: "You know, our Founding Fathers, they put that Second Amendment in there for a good reason and that was for the people to protect themselves against a tyrannical government."

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James Madison would strongly disagree. This is what he said when he submitted what became the Bill of Rights to Congress for consideration ...

In our government it is, perhaps, less necessary to guard against the abuse in the Executive department in any other; because it is not the stronger branch in the system of the weaker. It, therefore, must be leveled against the Legislative, for it is the most powerful and most likely to be abused, because it is under the least control. Hence, so far as a declaration of rights can tend to prevent the exercise of undue power, it cannot be doubted that such declaration is proper. I confess that I do conceive, that in a government modified like this of the United States, the great danger lies rather in the abuse of the community than in the legislative body. Prescriptions in favor of Liberty on to be leveled against that quarter where the greatest danger lies, namely, that which possesses the highest prerogative of power. This is not found in either the executive or the legislative departments of government bonds in the body of the people, operating by the majority against the minority.

James Madison, June 8, 1879

Posted by: James10 | June 15, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The more I learn about Angle the more I wonder how even the right-wing Republicans can support her.

What a freakin' crazy woman. I know my home state of Nevada is fed up with Reid, but Holy Mackerel! This is the alternative. Yikes.

Good luck, Nevada. You either get Reid, or the whacko. One would never guess that Nevada actually has a good number more Democratic Party members than Republicans.

Wack-Angle and Rogue-Palin sound like they should hang out, but just not anywhere near an elected office, please.

Leave the guns in the hands of the mentally stable among us.

Posted by: RomeoJax1 | June 15, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

She accurately paraphrased Thomas Jefferson. Wow, that's proof right there she must be an "extremist".

Note also that she begins the second paragraph with the strange words "I hope that's not where we're going...". That would seem to refute your hysterical allegations that she was advocating violence in plain English. But why should such logic stand in the way of the Harry Reid liberals?

Posted by: DaMav
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Jefferson was not suggesting that if folks felt like it, they could use their second amendment rights and overthrow the government being created under the Constitution, so Angle is historically illiterate. Treason is punishable by death.

I don't know how you read English, but "I hope . . ." only means I hope folks like me win and have our way, but if we don't, and Congress keeps passing laws we don't like, we need to exercise our Second Amendment rights (which of course she does not understand one bit).

She's calling for armed rebellion if her type doesn't get it's way. If you don't read it that way, you can't read. She's dangerously stupid if she doesn't realize that calling for treason is out of bounds.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"A Well Regulated Militia as defined in the US Constitution is the US military; not some individual Wahoo’s with guns who bring Assault weapons to Town Meetings, Political Rallies and State parks to Intimidate people."

Unadulterated BS. You have no clue what you are talking about. Just go away, along with the other morons. You are even dumber than the usuals.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

If there was ever any doubt that Republicans, and teabaggers in particular, were a pack of thugs favoring violence over the ballot box, then Angles open and clear call for assassination and treason, and the Republican ratification of this call by their failure to disavow it, should cinch the matter. Tim McVeigh was a teabagger before his time.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Right now, on MSNBC and CNBC, they are running a promo for Chris Matthews' supposed 'expose'' of the Tea Party tonight where they use video 'quick cuts' to try to elevate the anxiety level of the viewer purposefully.

Among the cuts are views of men in camouflage with rifles juxtaposed against Progressive politicians and the implication is that the hunter's quarry are in Congress.

Yeah, must be evil ReBoobs running Matthew's Media NOC. Right?

Posted by: notinsc | June 15, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

As a proud libery Democrat I strongly reject the statement that any one I know or exchanged messages with ever mentioned even jokingly that W should be "elminated" with violence. On the contrary as stupid as W was he was the lesser of two evils - Cheney to me is evil incarnate. I would have been happy for both to be impeached for lying, for outing an active CIA agent just to be snarky, for firing lawyers for not being private Republican attack dogs, for torture making us equal to German and Japanese leaders who did the same, for all the regulations they let slip including big oil and wall street.

I won't deny the Democratic party has some nuts who probably said much the same about W. The difference - they were a minority and most times were shouted down by other Democrats. I keep listening for "moderate" Republicans to speak up - I'm beginning to realize there are no moderates left or they are too afraid to speak out. So when I read comments that denigrate a President who did not lie us into war, did not crash the market and hand out $350 billion without asking for accountability, someone who seems to want to do the right thing in a MORE transparent fashion than before - I tend to rank the outrageous Republican comments as inferior, possibly racist and pretty ignorant -- that is probably unfair but hey, you guys don't seem to be interested in solving problems or being fair so I'm just going to quit listening to drivel and concentrate on helping my country - something I tried to do under Bush - but never blindly - God gave me a brain so I used it then and I use it now. Try it sometime, it's great.

Posted by: Lemon7221 | June 15, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

the right to bear arms is not the right to bear arms against the government. That's called treason, and it's punishable by death.

If you want a revolution, you have to win. otherwise you are executed.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Voters in Nevada, taken Wednesday night, shows Angle earning 50% support while Reid picks up 39% of the vote."

Rasmussen? Really? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....

Is that the best you've got?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Rasmussen again? How the old white Huckabees love George The Dumber's political operative turned pollster.

Posted by: areyousaying | June 15, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Civil War 2 by 2013.

Can you dig it?

Posted by: pmendez | June 15, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, the ghosts of the Fire Eaters, Yancey and Gist and Ruffin, have begun channeling through the T-People. Of course the Fire eaters had control of eleven states legislatures, and the T-People have control of no one, even themselves, but it sure sounds like the South in the 1850's.

This isn't how you win elections.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 15, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Bilgeman 2:04,
You obliously don't know what violence is, I've seen mothers in the grocery stores reprimand their childern more "violently" than what Rep Etheridge layed on that punk.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
PUNK ????? He was a college student and asked the question -"do you support president obama's agenda?"
Etheridge got "punked" !!!!!
He's the new Poster Boy for the 2010 Overthrow!! :-)
If I was that boys' father Etheridge would be in court!!
More proof that congressmen hold themselves above us!!

Posted by: thornegp2626 | June 15, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Truth in advertising! Given what he's spewing, Bilgeman is aptly named.

Posted by: GoneFromTexas | June 15, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"Civil War 2 by 2013.

Can you dig it?"

I'm pretty sure we'd let the south go without a fight this time - as long as you promised to take Angle, Palin, and Bachmann with you.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

sbj:

"And Greg's "trickle" plan to help Reid continues.."

That certainly seems to be the case, doesn't it;. No unstated agenda for him, though....

BTW, thanks for reminding us of the "negro dialect" bit. Kind of puts Reid's criticisms (along with his tortured defense of them) of Clarence Thomas as "an embarrassment" whose SC opinions are "poorly written" and "like looking at an eight-grade dissertation" into a more interesting light, doesn't it?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006106

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Before the Bill of Rights came to be the Founding Fathers wrote this ....

Article 3

Section. 3. Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

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If she is elected and the people exercise their right to bear arms is she saying it's justifiable to come after Sharron Angle?

Posted by: James10 | June 15, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

mavav - "She accurately paraphrased Thomas Jefferson. Wow, that's proof right there she must be an "extremist".

Note also that she begins the second paragraph with the strange words "I hope that's not where we're going...".
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Exactly. The Revolutionaries that rejected George III's "RULE OF LAW" made provisions that the US citizens could in all legitimacy fight the US Fed government itself if it became a tyranny, unaccountable to the People.

Everyone HOPES it won't come to that, but if it does, it does. Our firing ranges are crowded these days with people sighting their weapons in. Just in case.

There is a serious concern that America is dominated by unaccountable Elites. That have opened our Borders to invasion and criminals, nearly destroyed our financial system, shipped our jobs and industries to China. That have indebted generations to support a government now bent on suppressing a growing list of liberties and freedoms and made our courts and elections pre-arranged shams.

Buy a good centerfire rifle. Sight it in. Then stick it back in the closet and "hope for change".

Posted by: ChrisFord1 | June 15, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Later this hour, on the Dylan Ratigan Show on MSNBC he will have a portion of his program dedicated to the Great Tea Party Smear Effort that MSNBC is mounting at this time, them, being slaves to the Progressives.

The effort will include Revisionism against the Founders as a key methodology. Tune in for the fun.

Posted by: notinsc | June 15, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What's there to explain for Angle? Obama started it with his Manchurian radical agenda that the voters hate. They expressed this clearly by voting for him overwhelmingly after he telegraphed exactly what he would be doing if elected.

How is this any better than King George and the British tyrants we already had to overthrow once?

Posted by: PaulW99
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What? What does this say? This makes no sense. PaulW99 says "What's there to explain for Angle? Obama started it with his Manchurian radical agenda that the voters hate. They expressed this clearly by voting for him overwhelmingly after he telegraphed exactly what he would be doing if elected."

Dude, you seem to be saying that President Obama "telegraphed" a "Manchurian radical agenda" to voters who hate that agenda and that they expressed this hatred for this agenda by voting for President Obama.

The argument makes no sense. It is, however, a textbook example of tea bagger logic, bassackwards and completely loony.

Posted by: Observer001 | June 15, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Was there ever any doubt that the teabaggers were a pack of thugs bent on intimidating Americans with threats of violence?

Check out the comments on this thread about sock piling guns "just in case" the American citizens don't vote the way the teabaggers demand that they vote.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I am not surprised by her "armed insurrection" quotes. That's normal Tea Bagger revolution talk, which is nothing new.

However, what I am surprised by is her proposal for building a Nuclear reprocessing plant at the Yucca Mountain site in NV.

When I read several of these admissions from her, I thought to my self, this woman is C-R-A-Z-Y. And, I thought Palin was nuts.

But really, is she nuts?

What purpose would the U.S., need with Nuclear reprocessing plant, other than extracting "Plutonium" from irradiated nuclear fuel to build nuclear weapons.

Is it just me who's asking, or are there others?

Posted by: lcarter0311 | June 15, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

mavav - "She accurately paraphrased Thomas Jefferson. Wow, that's proof right there she must be an "extremist".

Note also that she begins the second paragraph with the strange words "I hope that's not where we're going...".
=================================
Exactly. The Revolutionaries that rejected George III's "RULE OF LAW" made provisions that the US citizens could in all legitimacy fight the US Fed government itself if it became a tyranny, unaccountable to the People.

Everyone HOPES it won't come to that, but if it does, it does. Our firing ranges are crowded these days with people sighting their weapons in. Just in case.

There is a serious concern that America is dominated by unaccountable Elites. That have opened our Borders to invasion and criminals, nearly destroyed our financial system, shipped our jobs and industries to China. That have indebted generations to support a government now bent on suppressing a growing list of liberties and freedoms and made our courts and elections pre-arranged shams.

Buy a good centerfire rifle. Sight it in. Then stick it back in the closet and "hope for change".

Posted by: ChrisFord1
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ChrisFord1: the post you are responding to suggested that we were misreading Angle. You appear to be suggesting that the Second Amendment is actually the right to bear arms against the U.S. if you don't like how the government is going. That's absurd, and you should read Article 3 on treason before you try it.

the founding fathers knew that if they failed at the revolution, they would all be hanged.

they did not write in to the Constitution the right to assassinate elected officials.

as some wit wrote centuries ago, "If you strike at the King, you must kill him." Meaning that if you start a revolution, you had better win, because if you don't, you will be executed. The Constitution does not include the right of armed rebellion.

you are proof that Angle's remarks are dangerous.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is a Myth. It does not exist. It is just a group of rabid right Wing Republicans, who only engage in Republican Party primaries, and Republican gatherings.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Speaking of tough questions, does anyone deny that the primary purpose of the Second Amendment is in fact to protect the unalienable right of self-defense against tyranny? Posted by: quarterback1"

Here's one. The Second Ammendment was written to protect Well Regulated Militia: Private military units, loyal to their organizers. They were the backbone of the revolution, and would have been the back bone of any Southern military force needed to put down the "Slave Uprising" so openly feared in the South. When the Civil War started, those militias were among the first to respond to their particular State Governments call to arms. They were all Federalized, (or whatever the equivalent was in the Confederacy) and some did great service throughout the war. After the Civil War they mostly went out of existence, but the Rough Riders were something of a vestige of those militias.

The Right to keep and bear arms had nothing to do with ownership of ordinary tools of survival, rifles, muskets, shot guns, knives, but with "Arms", the weapons carried by the military, Firearms, swords, Bow and Arrows, Pikes, lances, grenades, all of which were at one time or other or some state or other restricted by the Crown. The Crown tried to repeal Virginias law requiring that all able bodied men in Virginia practice with the long bow on Sundays, a law left over from Virginia's early days as a colony, where the same law existed in England as a vestige of the Hundred Years war.

The Second Amendment was never intended to be a cover for merchants of death to be allowed to sell any lethal device to anyone with the money to purchase it.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 15, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Mayonnaise Mike from Aryanton:
"Bilge, how do you know I'm not black you dope"

Because you don;t type using "traditional Black people's dialect".

You also are far too facile in calling people racist...even when they live in a community FAR more racially diverse than the Honkie Homeland of Aryanton.

A Black man wouldn't be so quick off the trigger in flinging the term "racist" about.

It cheapens the word when uptight honkie white separatists use it to deflect attention away from themselves and their own prejudices.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Right wing extremism, like that advocated by Angle, constitutes a clear and present danger to our Republic. Tim McVeigh killed 168 men, women and children in the Oklahoma City terrorist bombing. Last year three cops were killed by a right-wing gun nut, Richard Poplowski, in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania. Shawna Ford, a rightwing extremist leader of the Minuteman movement was arrested for killing a father and daughter in a home invasion which may have been part of a plan to raise money for the right wing revolution. This year saw the suicide bombing of the IRS offices in Austin Texas by another right wing nut job. Though many more may have been killed, only one person was murdered as a result of that right wing terror attack. Even more recently, two police officers were killed by right wing extremists in West Memphis Arkansas. The conservative movement is not just on the road to Revolution, they are already staining the streets of our cities with the blood of Americans. That is what makes Angle’s comments so outrageous, the silence of the media so shameful and the support of the Republican Party for this abomination of a candidate so treasonous.

Posted by: codexjust1 | June 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I didn't read anything "sinister" into what she said. Actually, I would agree with it.

If you look at the headlines in the papers ... rancher defending his family and property on the Mexican border, or the latest two terrorists being brought down by citizens ... it really is getting to be more and more obvious that the present government cannot protect the citizens of this country. It's up to us. That's what I read in her remarks, not a government throw down.

Posted by: playfair109 | June 15, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Its funny that when Obama acts he is part of a government run amock, but when he doesn't act he is failing to do his job. When I make bitter partisan attacks against politicians, I at least try to be consistent.

Posted by: SouthernerInDC | June 15, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still, of course the "Tea Party" it's a myth. Just like most of the BS the MSM reports. "Year of the woman", "anti-incumbent", blah, blah, blah. Reporters are dumb and they need to make up stuff to write about.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | June 15, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Those second amendment, gun owning clowns, are mostly cowards, who would be the last to show up to fight, were a tyrannical government to emerge.

None of those bedwetting, gun hugging cowards, resisted or complained about the Bush/Cheney massive, unwarrented invasion of the communications of the American people.

Those bed wetting, gun hugging cowards, also never joined up, and went to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Sharron Obtuse Angle, as a gun toting Insurrection leader.

It just might work, because many of the enemy would die from laughter.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Not that long ago it was radical Muslims saying "If we can't impose Islamic rule through elections, we will resort to violence." Here is a woman threatening publicly to resort to armed force if she doesn't get her way. How do we know Sharron Angle doesn't mean what she says? And should she -- or Glenn Beck, for that matter -- be treated differently from Muslim militant preachers who say the same things? Just because they cloak themselves in pseudo patriotism doesn't make their remarks any less treasonous -- they are talking about using guns to take over the government. And the Republican Party is not disavowing any of this.

Where does it go from here? The rhetoric can go no farther. Is the next step actual armed insurrection?

Posted by: tboyer33 | June 15, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't know the woman and can't vote in Nevada so I think it's up to the people there to decide. They know what kind of long term sleeze they have now and what he has said, done and contradicted over the years.

Between the words of a Reid and those of someone reminding the people of our founding fathers' words, my choice would be easy..

Armed insurection is our right, our duty if all other means fail.

Like most kids I had to memorize the Declaration of Independence ... and understood that it remains true today. The question is: will a minority government try to impose, dictate and no longer respond to the will of the people?

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness....

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Posted by: sally62 | June 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I didn't read anything "sinister" into what she said. Actually, I would agree with it.

If you look at the headlines in the papers ... rancher defending his family and property on the Mexican border, or the latest two terrorists being brought down by citizens ... it really is getting to be more and more obvious that the present government cannot protect the citizens of this country. It's up to us. That's what I read in her remarks, not a government throw down.

Posted by: playfair109
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nice try. lame, but E for effort. No, she was not telling us that the state and federal governments are failing to protect citizens from crime. Violent crime has been dropping for a decade, by the way. Nor was she talking about becomming Minutemen and guarding the U.S. border with Mexico. She was talking about bearing arms against the U.S. government if it keeps going in the direction she doesn't like. Denying that she was doing just that is dangerous, naive, and just plain stupid.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The extreme conservatives must be out of their minds. If memory serves me, advocating violent overthrow of the Federal government is a Federal crime.
By the way, they also forget that the "well-regulated militia" in the Second Amendment was intended to take the place of a standing army. It was controlled by the government.

Posted by: jlhare1 | June 15, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

@Schrodingerscat:

"Civil War 2 by 2013.

Can you dig it?"

I'm pretty sure we'd let the south go without a fight this time - as long as you promised to take Angle, Palin, and Bachmann with you.
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Sorry, it won't be so geographically neat this time. It will be urban vs. rural. Think Sarajevo -- sophisticated elites trapped in cities like rats, surrounded by the dumb-ol' rednecks who actually grow the food, dig the coal, and make the stuff.

Imagine living in Chicago without power, or LA without water...

Posted by: pmendez | June 15, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

@scott: "sbj: "And Greg's "trickle" plan to help Reid continues.."

I need to be fair to Greg here. He would no doubt tell you that he reports things as he learns them, and that he would never withhold info in order to release it in such a way that would be more damaging to anyone.

"Kind of puts Reid's criticisms (along with his tortured defense of them) of Clarence Thomas as "an embarrassment"

Let's hold this and roll it out under the next Angle post, shall we?

Posted by: sbj3 | June 15, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Ha! If Ms. Angle and her associates thinks NOW is the time for revolution, they are quite thin-skinned. I mean, all you have to do is look around the world to see where the threshold for triggering an armed revolt lies.

Ha! I can see it now: A group of poor, hungry Somalian revolutionaries saying, "Over in America, the rich actually want to overthrow the government for attempting to help the poor. Crazy Americans...."

Posted by: GreenMeansGo | June 15, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives won't start Civil War 2.

The war will start in the cities, when the Progressives get defeated in 2010 and 2012 and see their dreams of "transforming" America go down the drain.

Think the 1960's riots on steroids.

President Palin will have to mobilize the National Guard to put down the uprisings of urban yoofs and illegal aliens. It will be like the Spanish Civil War -- rural vs. urban.

When it's over, America will have a renaissance like Franco's Spain in the 1960's.

Posted by: pmendez | June 15, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"What purpose would the U.S., need with Nuclear reprocessing plant, other than extracting "Plutonium" from irradiated nuclear fuel to build nuclear weapons."

To extract fissile materials (for recycling) and to reduce the volume of high level wastes.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"what can we do to turn this country around? I'll tell you the first thing we need to do is take Harry Reid out."

Least charitable this a threat to assassinate senate majority leader.

Posted by: wiggyone87 | June 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse
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foolish is as foolish says

Posted by: micholina | June 15, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Nevada is not a liberal State.

Rasmussen:
In line with voter sentiments nationally, 58% of Nevada voters favor repeal of the recently-passed national health care bill, championed by Reid, while 41% oppose repeal. This includes 47% who Strongly Favor repeal and 29% who Strongly Oppose it.

Seventy-nine percent (79%) of those who Strongly Favor repeal support Angle. Eighty-five percent (85%) of the smaller group who Strongly Oppose repeal support Reid.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of voters in Nevada favor passage of a tough immigration law like Arizona’s in their state, nine points higher than support nationwide. Twenty-five percent (25%) oppose such a law in Nevada.

Angle gets 73% of the vote from those who favor a law like Arizona’s. Reid draws 84% support from those who oppose a law like that in their state.

Sixty-seven percent (67%) of all voters in Nevada also support the chief requirement of the Arizona law that local police check the immigration status of anyone stopped for a traffic violation or some other violation if they suspect the person is an illegal immigrant. Just 21% oppose that requirement.

Twenty-six percent (26%) of voters in Nevada have a Very Favorable opinion of Reid, who has represented the state in the U.S. Senate since 1987. Forty-five percent (45%) view him Very Unfavorably.

Angle, a teacher by profession who now serves in the state legislature, is viewed Very Favorably by 20% and Very Unfavorably by 23%.

Both candidates are well-known in the state, but at this point in a campaign, Rasmussen Reports considers the number of people with a strong opinion more significant than the total favorable/unfavorable numbers.

Posted by: sally62 | June 15, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I think it's the "American Independent Party," no? Sort of a Wallace remnant, plus maybe Buchananites, I forget. Extremists of the past.

The other piece of cant that I have to comment on is that the reason why the second amendment is there is so we can revolt against a repressive government. Try being a Black Panther or a Union organizer and letting that be your motto, first of all. They mow you down.

The other thing is that this interpretation is purely taken out of the nether regions of paranoia, not the actual constitution. I think I read the 2nd in the obvious way: the people can keep and bear arms because "a well-regulated militia (history: under state control)" is "necessary to the security of a free State." So the governor can call out the militia if the Indians, or the banditos, or the Fenians swoop down on our settlements. Nowhere is there the slightest mention of revolting against the government -- at least, as long as the government is elected by the people, no? A revolution that devalues an elected government because it was elected by a segment of the population it doesn't like isn't exactly a revolution, is it? It's more of a coup d'etat.

Posted by: jimhass | June 15, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Angle's statement of using "Second Amendment remedies" or an armed insurrection is a Federal crime and possibly treasonous to say the least.

What she is basically saying "if I don't get elected to get rid of Senator Reid or the U.S. government if it keeps going the direction I don't like, I will use the said remedy to fix that."

It will be hard for her to explain it away because it will demonstrate that her view is extreme to the right. Something the Republicans are trying to move away from to focus on Reid by nationalizing the election.

Posted by: beeker25 | June 15, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I had never bothered to look up the full letter that Jefferson wrote on this 20 year revolution stuff or in what spurred him to write the letter. I had always assumed it was the American Revolution he referred to. I was wrong. It was Shay's Rebellion of 1786/1787. When the US was under the Articles of Confederation. The rebellion [revolution] pulled Washington out of retirement to push for a stronger role for the Federal Government, sic, Constitution.

For the few people who may actually wish to think a little, here's the full letter with a link to Shay's Rebellion.
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In Defence of Rebellions

To Colonel Smith

Paris, November 13, 1787.

Where did it [anarchy] ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusetts? And can history produce an instance of rebellion so honorably conducted? I say nothing of its motives. They were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. We have had thirteen States independent for eleven years. There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century and a half, for each State. What country before, ever existed a century and a half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance ? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure. Our convention has been too much impressed by the insurrection of Massachusetts; and on the spur of the moment, they are setting up a kite to keep the hen-yard in order.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion
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I'm having a bit of a problem wrapping my brain around T. Jefferson supporting a revolution every 20 years instigated by a bunch of ignorant and misguided people.

It was this very revolution that resulted in tighter control by a central government.

You may recall that it was George Washington that put his foot down pretty hard on the Whiskey Rebellion. Though I do recall a letter written by Jefferson that hoped that the government would go easy on them. What a wuss.

You know what Jefferson did during the American Revolution when the Brits were marching towards Monticello? He got in his carriage and headed in the opposite direction. He might be calling for the blood of patriots to be spilled from time to time, but that didn't include his blood.

Posted by: James10 | June 15, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Of course, virtually all the Founding Fathers recognized the right of the People to rebel against Goverment abuse of power.

The only real point of disagreement among the Founding Fathers was how much abuse justified taking out your guns to correct the abuse.

The Founding Fathers tried hard through checks and balances in the Constitution to limit Government power, because they assumed any power would likely be abused.

The Founders weren't anarchists. They wanted a central goverment with greater authority than under the Articles of Confederation, because the States were often in conflict with one another, but they certainly didn't trust elected officials to exercise endless power wisely for long. They knew elected officials would utilize their power to sell favors.

Of course, the Founders expressed their theory/philosophy of Government in the principles of the Declaration of Independence, not in the Constitution. The Constitution is really like the owner's manual for a car. It tells us what the parts are and how the parts are supposed to work together, but it was never meant to replace the political philosophy of the Declaration of Indepemdence, which is based on:
(1) the People's rights come from a Creator, not from Government
(2)the People's rights are "unalienable" that is, the People cannot agree to give up their rights and any such agreement is unenforcable (you can't sell your free speech rights for economic security); and
(3) "when in the course of human events" Government abuses the People's rights, the political bands that connect people can be dissolved.

One can agree or disagree about whether the abuses of our current Government justify its dissolution, but we will all suffer if we ever give Government the notion that it cannot be dissolved by the People by whatever means are available to them at the time.

I suspect this is a debate Ms. Angle would like to have with Mr. Reid as the election approaches.

Posted by: jfv123 | June 15, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The crazies are afraid the gummint is gonna take their guns. Meanwhile, the banks and transnational corporations have been gutting & looting the country since 1980.

Posted by: Jihm | June 15, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

If Timothy McVeigh were still alive today;

He would be saying to Sharron Obtuse Angle;

"You Go Girl; and would you like some plans on how to destroy Government building and kill all the Men, Women, and Children in them?"

Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives won't start Civil War 2.

The war will start in the cities, when the Progressives get defeated in 2010 and 2012 and see their dreams of "transforming" America go down the drain.

Think the 1960's riots on steroids.

President Palin will have to mobilize the National Guard to put down the uprisings of urban yoofs and illegal aliens. It will be like the Spanish Civil War -- rural vs. urban.

When it's over, America will have a renaissance like Franco's Spain in the 1960's.

Posted by: pmendez
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please tell me you didn't just suggest that minorities and illegals will start a race riot if Republicans regain control of Congress and that Palin will put it down and reestablish white rule.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"What purpose would the U.S., need with Nuclear reprocessing plant, other than extracting "Plutonium" from irradiated nuclear fuel to build nuclear weapons."

To extract fissile materials (for recycling) and to reduce the volume of high level wastes.

Posted by: schrodingerscat

Any weapons related processing is done at other DoE facilities. They aren't doing any extraction of fissile materials. The major processing is vitrification of the radioactive liquid waste. There is something like 50 million gallons of liquid waste around the country that was supposed to be converted to a solid and stored at Yucca.

49 states think Nevada should do it. Nevada to date hasn't been real excited about the idea. I would propose that any or the other 49 states jump up and down and take the job. I'm sure they'll get Nevada's vote and 48 other votes. With one volunteer state that would make it unanimous.

Posted by: James10 | June 15, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

We don't like how the country's going, so let's start an armed revolt.
Will people actually VOTE for this woman?

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | June 15, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The "tea partiers" are all violent kooks. Angle is no exception.

If you want us to go the way of 1930s Germany, join up with these people. If you support our peaceful democracy on the other hand, you can pass.

Posted by: B2O2 | June 15, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3 - It's just like Harry's response when someone said Give 'em he//, Harry!. One only needs to say the truth and Angle thinks it's he//.

Jake in 3D out

Posted by: JakeD3 | June 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives won't start Civil War 2.

The war will start in the cities, when the Progressives get defeated in 2010 and 2012 and see their dreams of "transforming" America go down the drain.

Think the 1960's riots on steroids.

President Palin will have to mobilize the National Guard to put down the uprisings of urban yoofs and illegal aliens. It will be like the Spanish Civil War -- rural vs. urban.

When it's over, America will have a renaissance like Franco's Spain in the 1960's.

Posted by: pmendez
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Not really it will be the conservatives who will start the war because their brethren FOX News is amplifying that already for the last 10 years and when they lose the election 2010 and 2012, like they did in 2008, they will resort to threats of a civil war if things don't go the way they want.

Already you have promoted Palin being President when, in fact, she has not won anyone over except for the narrow minds of fellow like-minded conservatives like you and predicted how it is going to be like when you don't even know the unintended consequences of those actions. Demonstrates to me of "your head is in a sand" mentality.

Posted by: beeker25 | June 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

..."What's more, the talk show host she spoke to tells me he doesn't have any doubt that she was floating the possibility of armed insurrection as a valid response if Congress continues along its current course."....

"Asked by the host, Lars Larson of Portland, Oregon, where she stands on Second Amendment issues, Angle replied:"...
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Damn, and I thought she actually called for a revolution. Your headline was deceiving. Angle won't be running against Reid only. She's also running against the press.

Posted by: bethg1841 | June 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Well teabaggers out in force, glad two of them got nabbed trying to get into central command fully armed.....that's what is going to happen to you if you even think about picking up arms against the government...fools! (provided you didn't shoot your own feet or each other first)

Posted by: biglio | June 15, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

You're able to conclude she is floating the idea of an armed insurrection in spite of the fact she specifically stated she hopes it doesn't come to that.

Wow. Just wow.

No wonder the new Rasmussen poll indicates 66% of U.S. voters are "somewhat angry" with the media.

Posted by: Groty1 | June 15, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The right wing solution to most problems is violence. If this woman wants no part of fluoridated water, she can organize a posse to shut down the waterworks by force of arms. Gay couples, according to her understanding of Scripture, should decouple. She can use arms to encourage that. The Timothy McVeigh solution can be used, it follows, to close the Department of Education, one of her pet peeves. Would I vote for any of that? No. Sensible people don't want the collateral damage. So let her speak her opinions loudly, clearly, and often.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | June 15, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how the WP like all liberal press go after a conservative. Also when you use the word hack please make sure you add REID.
I would expect the AZ voters would vote for a dead man before this worn out shell of an honest man.

Posted by: mct1 | June 15, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse


The primary election was just one week ago and a Rasmussen poll of Nevada likely voters taker AFTER the primary has Angle leading by +11 points

Angle 50
Reid 39

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 15, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Just a hint: if you wingnuts expect to be taken remotely seriously here - you have got to stop citing Rasmussen polls. It's the equivalent of starting a sentence with "Glenn Beck said......"

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse


These are the same WaPo hacks who on the night of the Scott Brown - Martha Coakley election election called it "too close to call" and "a dead heat" and referred to a Daily Kos poll that called it "a tie"

Rasmussen predicted a nine point win by Scott Brown.

Senator Scott Brown won the election by about seven points.

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 15, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"I would expect the AZ voters would vote for a dead man before this worn out shell of an honest man."

I agree with that....especially since Reid is running in NEVADA.

Maybe you should lay off the Fox News and actually try to learn some basic facts before you go spouting off about the left-wing media.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

As a left wing Democrat I agree with Ms. Angle's statement regarding the right of our citizens to have an "armed" revolt if the Congress continues along its' corrupt ways. Why wait until our country is completely bankrupt before changing governments. Hooray for the second Amendment

Posted by: jimeglrd8 | June 15, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Bilge." Hmmm? Some of the common definitions include the lowest internal part of a ship and that foulness which collects there. In slang, it means foolish talk or writing. Seems an appropriate name for his/her comments. Is is so on the money, it makes me think good ol' Bilge might be pulling our legs. Now, Quarter"mind" is another story.

Posted by: kermit5 | June 15, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Angle's a whackjob according to her comments. The fact that she's keeping silent proves that. No, no... don't vote for me based on my views. Vote for me, because you don't know them, hopefully. That's the best Republican strategy there is.

Posted by: fbutler1 | June 15, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

"Those second amendment, gun owning clowns, are mostly cowards, who would be the last to show up to fight, were a tyrannical government to emerge.

"None of those bedwetting, gun hugging cowards, resisted or complained about the Bush/Cheney massive, unwarrented invasion of the communications of the American people.

"Those bed wetting, gun hugging cowards, also never joined up, and went to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan.

"Sharron Obtuse Angle, as a gun toting Insurrection leader.

"It just might work, because many of the enemy would die from laughter.

"Posted by: Liam-still | June 15, 2010 4:43 PM"

Got that right 100%, a bigger bunch of cowardly whiners who wet themselves in terror every time they open the door you won't find than the teabaggers.

And since they seem to enjoy the thought of violence aimed at their fellow US citizens, then the repulsive troglodytes supporting Angle in this thread were probably cheering the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, just like they cheered the Bush Jr regimes attacks on our Constitution with

The "Patriot" Act

Warrantless spying on US citizens

Torture as official US policy

Indefinite detention

Suspension of habeas corpus

Angle, and anyone supporting her on this call for treason, clearly represents the Usama bin Laden/Timothy McVeigh wing of the GOP.

Oh yeah, Angle's call for alcohol prohibition will play SO well in Las Vegas, and her fervent desire to have Yucca Mountain as the nation's nuclear waste repository will, no doubt, play well everywhere in Nevada, as will her calls to gut social security and veterans benefits.

Seriously, the fact that Angle's too scared to do interviews with other than the most softball of questions and fawning of hosts shows she's too scared to stand up to the privileged interests running this country.

Posted by: kingcranky | June 15, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

President Obama, Reid and Pelosi has done more for this Counrty than any Presidential regime in recent history, They have Completely and totally DESTROYED the Democratic party.

Don't stand on the tracks Liberals, there's a freight train coming snd you're in the way.

The Americans (yes we still have a few) will undoubtably take OUR country back in 2010 and 2012.

Posted by: FloridaCracker | June 15, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

@ FloridaCracker
"The Americans (yes we still have a few) will undoubtably take OUR country back in 2010 and 2012."
If by a few, you mean around 300 million then yes we do. However, since I know what you mean by that maybe you should check up on what it means to be an American.
It's not being conservative, being a republican, or being against any kind of welfare. It means you're a citizen of this nation and just because you might disagree with them doesn't make them any less of an American and doesn't mean they don't have the right for their voice to be heard.
If the majority of this nation were nudist and they voted to allowed nudism to be allowed everywhere than that's what the American people want and that's what they would get.

Posted by: brandon3557 | June 15, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse


I see David Plouffe has his minions out to villify the GOP candidates and the MSM got their talking points from him today.

They're after Angle, Paul, Fiorina and Whitman, oh, I forgot Haley, too.

But it's their guy Etheridge who was violent to a student.

And it was Obama and the White House who violated US Codes and the Hatch Act, offering jobs to Sestak, Romanoff, Paterson and pressured Israel to get out of the races of their annointed candidates.

It seems that when the Dems go after the GOP candidates, their own candidates do something stupid and their plan backfires.

We'll have to see how this all plays out in November.

But these liberal MSM lapdogs play right into Obama and the Administration's hands and what do they get in return - cake.

Posted by: janet8 | June 15, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Sally62,

Don't mix up the Declaration of Independence with the Constitution. One was a written document declaring our independence from England and containing the reasons/reasoning for the declaration; and, the other is the law of the land; the foundation for all the laws and government in the these United States. And, as a couple people have pointed out, all who signed on to the Declaration knew they would hang if unsuccessful in their bid. That is the price you pay for an unjustified revolution, or, even a morally justified one if your bid is unsuccessful. To the victor go the spoils.

In the mean-time, as many have also pointed out, under our laws of the land, both federal and state, armed insurrection/revolution is to be dealt with very harshly; and if treason is found, under federal and some state laws, the maximum penalty is death, even during peacetime.

We are a nation of laws. If we can live through 8 years of reduced liberties and secret warrantless searches during the Bush years, I think the right wingers should be able to handle 8 years of real freedom from government intervention in our private homes/lives/bedrooms.

Posted by: RomeoJax1 | June 15, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse


This article is part of a Washington Post continuing series of front page hit jobs directed against Sharon Angle. The articles are intended to help Harry Reid who is trailing Angle in recent polls.

Most stories will be front page above the fold, be sure to collect all 257.

Posted by: geo82170 | June 15, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

You're able to conclude she is floating the idea of an armed insurrection in spite of the fact she specifically stated she hopes it doesn't come to that.

Wow. Just wow.

No wonder the new Rasmussen poll indicates 66% of U.S. voters are "somewhat angry" with the media.

Posted by: Groty1
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wow nothing. "I hope things get turned around if right thinking folks like me get elected, but if they don't we need to take up arms against the government" is more than just "floating" the idea. you need to be outraged at Angle, not the media.

I can't believe I am sitting here reading people seriously suggesting that the 2nd amendment gives citizens the right to assassinate duly elected officials whenever they think they are wrong.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't they select a candidate who is more deeply into being like the white power armed militia psychos?

Posted by: revbookburn | June 15, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

This article is part of a Washington Post continuing series of front page hit jobs directed against Sharon Angle. The articles are intended to help Harry Reid who is trailing Angle in recent polls.

Most stories will be front page above the fold, be sure to collect all 257.

Posted by: geo82170
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you're suggesting that it isn't newsworthy that a candidate for U.S. Senate says we may need an armed revolt against the U.S. government if the duly elected Congress and President don't start behaving the way she thinks they should? Advocating treason is worthy of note in my book.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

nothing wrong with a "hit job" when the reason behind it is to quickly educate the voter as to who the hell the person is running for office; and to tell us all their views/positions/what they stand for.

Isn't your so-called "hit job" the real nuts and bolts, tried and true duty of the American press??? To get all the info out there for us, the public, to judge?

I may rant about mainstream media more often than not, but for the most part, this is one area, whether I like what they say or not, where they are doing their job.

The Republican party would love for people in Nevada/the nation to NOT know anything about Angle except for the fact that she is not Harry Reid.

Now, Reps like you are calling it a "hit job" because you don't like the fact that we are actually LEARNING about a candidate. It's called vetting. Every major candidate, Dem or Rep has to go through it, period. In recent memory, I'm sure hundreds of dirty/not so nice stories could be drudged up from media stories on McCain, Obama, Palin, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Kennedy, etc., etc. The point is, if your candidate can't stand the heat, then she'll have to get out of the kitchen. (Or, she will lose the race to an unpopular incumbent Senator.)

You Reps picked her. Now live with her. One more reason I could never go back to Rep party: you guys suck at picking mainstream candidates. Win or lose, your primaries end with even more extreme candidates than Dem primaries.

Posted by: RomeoJax1 | June 15, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

What should our response be when the President,Senate,House and Judiciary routinely violate the sprit and letter of The Constitution?Peaceful civil disobedience and "democracy"is a first option,but when a corrupt majority allows it,armed insurrection is tenable as a last resort.

Posted by: Robo14 | June 15, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

What a nut! Here's what Jefferson actually said:

"Let us provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods. What these periods should be nature herself indicates. By the European tables of mortality, of the adults living at any one moment of time, a majority will be dead in about nineteen years. At the end of that period, then, a new majority is come into place; or, in other words, a new generation. Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors; and it is for the peace and good of mankind that a solemn opportunity of doing this every nineteen or twenty years should be provided by the constitution, so that it may be handed on with periodical repairs from generation to generation to the end of time, if anything human can so long endure." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:42

Posted by: polisciprof3 | June 15, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"They're after Angle, Paul, Fiorina and Whitman, oh, I forgot Haley, too."

Wow...that Plouffe is a genius!

He got Angle to join the IAP and talk about an armed insurrection; he got Paul to say on national television that lunch counters should still be segregated; he got Fiorina to leave her mic on; he got Whitman to push a subordinate; and he got Haley to call a guy - who is now claiming he had an affair with her - in the middle of the night.

Apparently, he is not only a genius - he is a ventriloquist who owns a time machine.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse


But Barry the incompetent boob Obama the chickenhawk president and physical coward who never served a day in uniform tell America he is going to kick some ass. Too funny.

Miserable failure Obama

Posted by: screwjob16 | June 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

What a nut! Here's what Jefferson actually said:

"Let us provide in our constitution for its revision at stated periods. What these periods should be nature herself indicates. By the European tables of mortality, of the adults living at any one moment of time, a majority will be dead in about nineteen years. At the end of that period, then, a new majority is come into place; or, in other words, a new generation. Each generation is as independent as the one preceding, as that was of all which had gone before. It has then, like them, a right to choose for itself the form of government it believes most promotive of its own happiness; consequently, to accommodate to the circumstances in which it finds itself that received from its predecessors; and it is for the peace and good of mankind that a solemn opportunity of doing this every nineteen or twenty years should be provided by the constitution, so that it may be handed on with periodical repairs from generation to generation to the end of time, if anything human can so long endure." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Kercheval, 1816. ME 15:42

Posted by: polisciprof3
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indeed, he was referring to constitutional conventions and the amendment process.

beware of nuts who quote our founding fathers for stupid propositions, like the second amendment being about the right to commit treason.

Posted by: JoeT1 | June 15, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

"What should our response be when the President,Senate,House and Judiciary routinely violate the sprit and letter of The Constitution?"

Well - let's see....what did you all do when this was occurring during the Bush Administration? Oh that's right....you shut your mouth, waved your flag, and talked about how manly the president looked in a codpiece.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I used to think the usual Plum Line liberals were nitwits.

This new pack of moronic 'bats makes them look Pericles, Cicero, and Lincoln rolled into one.

schrodingder,

I don't see the problem. According to your side Rove did all that and much more.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I guess armed insurrection is only OK if called for or done by Ayers, Dohrn, and other of Obama's friends.

When some pointed out Obama's radical anti-US friends the WAPO told us it was OK and not to worry about it. When movies were made about killing Bush we were told it was--Art. Two years ago dissent was called the highest form of patriotism--Now its called sedition. When Rev. Wright said G@D D@mn America, we were told it was taken out of context.

It's those on the left who have actually advocated the violent overthrow of the US government--not Republicans.

Talk about a gross double standard. If your outrage went both ways, you might have some credibility.

Posted by: FergieTD | June 15, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Teabagger: A Republican stooge who spends half their time telling us that their violent image is a bum rap and the other half of their time talking about how they plan to murder our elected officials if their candidate doesn't win the election.

Posted by: Andrea_KC | June 15, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

So lets see... a states-rights pro-gun party is far-right ? Got it.

So IF Congress keeps bankrupting the nation... and passing laws like Obamacare and Cap & tax and amnesty that are OPPOSED by a BIG majority of Americans... Americans should just well bend over ? Ok Got it !

I suspect Sharron and her supporters will be satisfied IF we throw the bums out of Congress and than no insurrection will be needed. Got that ?

Posted by: Petras123 | June 15, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

While I can laugh at the idiotic utterances of Sharron "The 2nd Coming Of Sarah Palin" Angle and Rand "Be Nice To Me Or I'll Tell My Daddy" Paul, I am astonished by the total lack of understanding of and respect for the principles and process of democracy shown by the voters that elected them.
They are the dregs found in all societies.

Posted by: apspa1 | June 15, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

A woman quotes a passage from the founding fathers,and all hell breaks loose.
AMERICA IS STUPID. They believe everything they are told.They let the pres do anything he wants to. They have far too many people spending their money in congress.America wants to fight everyone but lets the bad guys do what they want.You can carry a gun but can't shoot it.(its like carrying a knife and fork but not eating)As I have said before
AMERICA IS STUPID
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Posted by: captgrumpy | June 15, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post shrinks from criticizing Democratic Congressman Etheridge, who engages in actual violence, but is all in a tizzy when a Republican senatorial candidate refers to the founding fathers because it detects undertones of potential violence?

Hilarious.

Posted by: coastofutopia | June 15, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope some of you blow hard, psuedo-tough guy Conservatives actually try something like "Second Amendment Remedies." Ultimate in Darwin Award winners. You think nobody is gonna fire back?

Posted by: Tiparillo | June 15, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Looking to blame someone for Reid's problems, try Reid's backroom deals and Obama's comments about avoiding Las Vegas!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | June 15, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Angle is proof positive the far-right Republican Party is cracking up.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | June 15, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

If Obama sets his goons, SEIU, onto the Tea Party participants, it very well may come to blows. You'd have to take Obama to task for that one, he and his gang are on the offensive and always have been.

Posted by: prossers7 | June 15, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

bring it on, you rightwing crazy as batshit second amendment freaks! We're keeping those jail cells warm and ready. Your jail husbands are standing by.

Posted by: janouzpoha | June 15, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

In the context of that statement, the phrase "take Harry Reid out" (as opposed to "defeat Harry Reid" or "send Harry Reid home") is a little disconcerting.

Posted by: zimbar | June 15, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse
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I'm pleased to know that you're attentive, perceptive, and alert. There are hundreds of thousands of Americans who've "Armed up" since late 2007. They're apprehensive, and anticipating some event. What, do you imagine it is???
Angle did say "I hope that's not where we're going," Do you believe her?
Dennis
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Tougher to explain away to whom?

The new Republican strategy is to avoid anything other than FOX and right-wing radio like the plague. I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of these hacks actually shows up to a debate.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | June 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse
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To which "hacks," do you refer??
You're right about "me" not viewing "anything" on the Left. I refuse to make a left turn, across traffic. I don't even wind tissue, or toilet paper to the left. If I find it wound wrong, I simply correct it, before I roll my paper. I fully support Right Wing, Radio, and other Media.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | June 15, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

In the context of that statement, the phrase "take Harry Reid out" (as opposed to "defeat Harry Reid" or "send Harry Reid home") is a little disconcerting.

Posted by: zimbar | June 15, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse
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I'm pleased to know that you're attentive, perceptive, and alert. There are hundreds of thousands of Americans who've "Armed up" since late 2007. They're apprehensive, and anticipating some event. What, do you imagine it is???
Angle did say "I hope that's not where we're going," Do you believe her?
Dennis
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Tougher to explain away to whom?

The new Republican strategy is to avoid anything other than FOX and right-wing radio like the plague. I'd be willing to bet that not a single one of these hacks actually shows up to a debate.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | June 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse
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To which "hacks," do you refer??
You're right about "me" not viewing "anything" on the Left. I refuse to make a left turn, across traffic. I don't even wind tissue, or toilet paper to the left. If I find it wound wrong, I simply correct it, before I roll my paper. I fully support Right Wing, Radio, and other Media.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | June 15, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If Obama sets his goons, SEIU, onto the Tea Party participants, it very well may come to blows. You'd have to take Obama to task for that one, he and his gang are on the offensive and always have been.

Posted by: prossers7 | June 15, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse
-------------------------------------------That could be the spark that ignites a National Conflagration. Tea Partiers have been very measured, and restrained, thus far. O'bama's SEIU goons, are comparable to the Hamas sponsored Blockade runners, in Gaza. They're pressing for, and hoping for an armed conflict, in response to their efforts.
Dennis

Posted by: Shadowsmgc | June 15, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with armed insurrection? The leftists do it and advocate it all the time. Do they have a (pardon the term) monopoly on revolution?

Posted by: RossOdom | June 15, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

How's she feel about civil rights?

Posted by: dudh | June 15, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't bode well for the GOP when their Senate candidate is saying things that could get her on a no-fly list, or hauled in by the FBI.

Way to go, Nevada.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 15, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

"That could be the spark that ignites a National Conflagration. Tea Partiers have been very measured, and restrained, thus far."

Please....the average tea bagger age is like 60. All we'd have to do is yell "Look....'Murder She Wrote" is on."

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

O'bama's SEIU goons, are comparable to the Hamas sponsored Blockade runners, in Gaza. They're pressing for, and hoping for an armed conflict, in response to their efforts.

==

You are hallucinating.

Posted by: Noacoler | June 15, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

She probably uses a gun for a d****.

Posted by: solsticebelle | June 15, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Well, yeah! That's why she got so many votes! Duh!

Posted by: georges2 | June 15, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

We had Democrat congressman commit assault and battery this week, but the moonbats are all wee wee'd up about a GOP candidate's stating the purpose of the 2d Amendment and the unalienable right to resist tyranny, upon which the country was founded.

What we can't forget is that leftists adhere to the German/Italian Marxist that the state has an absolute monopoly on power, and citizens have no rights but those which the state gives them. In other words, they reject the foundation of America.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

The first standard for holding elected office should be sanity. Unfortunately, the tea bag people are nominating Republican candidates who are so crazy they are unelectable.

We have real problems - economy, jobs, energy, global climate change, deficit, 2 wars - and need serious, thoughtful, intelligent people elected to office. We don't have any use for the nutters offered by the tea bag people.

Posted by: MNUSA | June 15, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Where do these people get so much stupid? Does listening to too much talk radio make your brains melt and run out your ears? One of them said:

"How is this any better than King George and the British tyrants we already had to overthrow once?" Here's a clue: King George wasn't elected.

Another one said:
"What we can't forget is that leftists adhere to the German/Italian Marxist "

What the heck is "the German/Italian Marxist?"

Some offshoot of the Baader-Meinhof Gang? Hmm - still need an Italian connection...


Posted by: orrg1 | June 15, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

As a Democrat...she's right. But not the kind of revolution she's thinking of. My ideal revolution would purge her type of idiot from this country.

Ban the GOP as a threat to the American way of life.

Now that's a revolution I could dance to.

Posted by: anarcho-liberal-tarian | June 16, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

"Ban the GOP as a threat to the American way of life.Now that's a revolution I could dance to."

That way liberals could actually run on their real positions instead of having to pretend their Republicans too to get elected?

Your idea sounds pretty Stalinist.

Posted by: EMT907 | June 16, 2010 5:05 AM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentleman, please welcome the NRA's latest insurrectionist!

Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion, anyone?

Ahhh...what use is history anyway?

Posted by: gritsjr | June 16, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

These guys have GOT to stop referring to groups as "pro-gun Christian" or "right-wing Christian." There's nothing Christian about their philosophies, approaches, or ideas.

What would Jesus do, indeed? Probably not carry a gun and advocate violent overthrow of the government. In fact, I think he was ultimately killed, in part, because he refused to advocate that way.

Posted by: jleachesq | June 16, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I have a really difficult time finding a problem with what she said.

Ever read the Declaration of Independence? It CLEARLY states the right of a free people to throw off a government that people think is not representing them - which is PRECISELY what the founding fathers did!

You see, the founding fathers were all - OH NO, DON'T SAY IT !!! - SECESSIONISTS !!! And they thought the whole thing was a RIGHT given by GOD!

Such thoughts today are beyond the realm of the typical liberal media, but it is the absolute truth!

We have a president and congress who pass health care edicts that EVERY SINGLE POLL showed most people don't want!

They oppose the Arizona immigrantion bill, which EVERY SINGLE POLL shows most Americans support!

They are pushing for cap and tax, which EVERY SINGLE POLL shows most Americans dont' want!

Sounds like tyranny to me.

Posted by: Jsalley82 | June 16, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hack job from WaPo. Vapor journalism. Simply creating terms "armed insurrection" from thin air. No wonder the newspaper is tanking. Mr. Sargeant please review the following:


li·bel /ˈlaɪbəl/ Show Spelled [lahy-buhl] verb, -beled, -bel·ing or ( especially British ) -belled, -bel·ling.
–noun
1.
Law .
a. defamation by written or printed words, pictures, or in any form other than by spoken words or gestures.
b. the act or crime of publishing it.
c. a formal written declaration or statement, as one containing the allegations of a plaintiff or the grounds of a charge.
2. anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.

Posted by: GiveMeThat | June 16, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This is so crazy. Some of the repub mindset is very dangerous.

Posted by: jillcohen | June 16, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Any of you lefties want to tell me where Ms. Angle misquoted Jefferson, or where she was wrong about the intentions of the founders in writing the Second Amendment? No, I thought not.
Now, do any of you want to explain that the American Revolution wasn't caused primarily by the government powers of the time ignoring the will of the American people?
Do any of you want to call this speech unAmerican? Then what about, "If this be treason, let him (King George III) make the most of it"? (For you liberals miseducated in government schools, that was said by a man named Patrick Henry. Google him. But WARNING: reading the lives of the founding fathers can and has led to conservativism.)
It is indeed possible that this congress and administration's continuing to defy the will of the people could have the direst results. I pray that is not the case, but killing the messenger will not affect the outcome.

Posted by: Larryfrom10EC | June 16, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

@Bilgeman for this: sbj3:
"Reid's comments reflect the kind of insulting, subtle and patronizing racism that African Americans sometimes face from well-intended liberals."

Well-intended liberals are the absolute worst of the worst.

Nothing like people being intoxicated with a sense of their own intrinsic goodness to turn them into soul-less monsters capable of any kind of heartless depravity.

They MEAN well.


Right like when religious wingers love to tell us all how you're morally superior and then go back home to their rentboys to carry "their bags". There is literally nothing worse than a stupid person who is smug and arrogant. That's why George Bush and Sarah Palin are so popular with non-authoritarian America. Sharon Angle is the gift that will put Harry Reid back in office, bet on it. While you're out there teabagging each other over her the rest of us will be pointing and laughing at all of you; it's Sarah Palin all over again.

As self un-aware as you are I'm really shocked you've not tried to run through walls or haven't managed to get hit by a bus all these years; it's like playing the odds with Rainman all alone. Oh and try to explain to any of why we should vote for Angle without attacking Obama or Reid; go for it. Republicans don't have a single policy idea worth looking at, it's all race-rooted absolute hatred of the bland policies of President Obama. By the way, if a conservative ever tells you they're well intentioned...cover your in-holes...and that means both literally if you're a young guy and metaphorically if you're everyone else.

Posted by: ClearPolicies | June 16, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

It's an amazing coincidence the government is only abusive when Republicans aren't in power. The GOP controlled congresses and the Bush Administration were two of the most rotted, rights abusing bodies in this nation's history. Every so often we have a period where the United States turns base and cruel, we saw this during the periods when various sedition acts were passed. And we also saw this under George Bush and his rubber-stamp cruel allies in congress. I remember Duncan Hunter answering questions about human rights abuses in Gitmo by read a lunch menu.

If Republicans want to debate about abusive Government, bring it on. Sharron Angle and the other proto-fascist authoritarians on the hard right are only rising to prominence because most of the more adult conservatives are dying out. Of course the McCarthyite contigent has always existed as a strain of the body politic since McCarthy drank and abused his position into oblivion. William F. Buckley was at least one to have a debate with, a conversation with and disagree and not look behind your back as you leave to see if he's pulling out a gun.

This is the modern right...a bunch of children angered and spoiled. You want to call the Government abusive because it gave healthcare rights and oppurtunities to millions of Americans shut out of the horrible system your parties terrible "ideas" created? Go ahead and debate me, I'm game. I could see it if the Democratic Party was at least left...but it's not. A left leaning party would have NEVER yanked single payer off the table without a strong government plan as comprimise. It would NEVER have allowed BP to lie and spew the gulf coast into the apocalypse. It would NEVER have given the central banks low interest loans while allowing the same grifting board of directors to call the shots; a left-leaning party would have nationalized them, cleaned house and broken them up and sold the pieces off.

That you wingers are so fumed at centrist policies shows A) how ideoligically bound and insane you all are and B) how easily lead authoritarian followers you are. Your bitter anger is just Newt Gingrich's gift to the body politic. I'm sure if any of you have the cajones (yes, I said cajones, now go sick the white supremacist-created Arizona law on me) to respond, you'll probably go into your usual Glenn Beck gibberish of how far left the Democratic Party is; spare me the abstracts.

Also, I don't recall anywhere in the Constitution or the Declaration where it says our government must be run by conservatives or it's tyrannical and should be overthrown; maybe one of you can locate the proper citation for me. You lost, get over it. We dealt with your gloating for eight long years against the rest of America because you had Bush and the GOP-controlled Congress. Now it's your turn to shut up and take it.

Posted by: ClearPolicies | June 16, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Greg but you are the anointed Spin Meister for the Dem party. I would take ANYONE over Harry Reid. ANYONE.

Posted by: dencal26 | June 16, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

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