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Sharron Angle versus Harry Reid: A clear contrast

As you know, Sharron Angle has now proposed to help solve the problem of unemployment by cutting benefits to the jobless, which she says will encourage people to reenter the work force at a lower point than they left it. Pat Garofalo responds:

Angle's clarification doesn't make her position look any better, and her assertion that there a multitude of jobs available for the unemployed is simply rubbish. First, the average unemployment benefit is just $290 per week. There are nearly five workers actively searching for work for every job available, compared to 1.5 per job opening before the recession began.

And so does Ezra Klein:

Right now, Nevada leads the nation in unemployment. The basic unemployment rate is 14 percent. The broader underemployment rate is about 20 percent...

The problem for Nevadans is not that they don't want jobs, but that they can't get them. And if Nevadans are suddenly cut off from unemployment checks and have to stop spending what little money they were getting, the businesses and landlords that were relying on money from those checks will find themselves in worse shape, and the state's economy will tumble further, and there will be even fewer jobs for Nevadans to get.

It's worth noting again that Angle's suggestion is an actual policy prescription on her part. Angle wants the job of U.S. Senator, and whether or not she thinks job creation is part of the gig, she's got very specific ideas on how to go about solving unemployment. And they contrast sharply with those of Harry Reid, who is trying (with no success yet) to help the unemployed by extending unemployment benefits and passing a jobs bill.

UPDATE, 4:53 p.m.: Obviously Angle will respond by saying that the current unemployment rates should be blamed on the ideas of Reid and Democrats, on the failure of the stimulus, and so forth. That's fine. That's what campaigns are for! The question is whether voters will find the suggestion that we can ease unemployment by cutting unemployment benefits to be preferable. Let the contrasting begin!

By Greg Sargent  |  June 30, 2010; 4:32 PM ET
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Ignorance is bliss.

Unless you're a teabagging redneck republican running for Senate and you're forced to answer real questions.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 30, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Those quotes from Pat and Ezra aren't exactly ringing endorsements for Obama and Reid, are they?

"There are nearly five workers actively searching for work for every job available, compared to 1.5 per job opening before the recession began."

Go Obama!

"Nevada leads the nation in unemployment. The basic unemployment rate is 14 percent. The broader underemployment rate is about 20 percent... "

Go Reid!

Posted by: sbj3 | June 30, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Those quotes from Pat and Ezra..."

As I said, ignorance is bliss.

SBJ, you're lucky you're not running for Senate. You'd have to explain why you're so ignorant. Here you can just ignore us after we destroy your talking points.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 30, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's just call her idea what it is: protection for the wealthy (for now) at the expense of those who are struggling.

The worst part of this is perhaps not the moral bankruptcy, but the bad economics. The economy did not get wrecked by people not wanting to work; it got wrecked by the wealthy party (the GOP's wars, tax cuts, deregulation) and the financial sector that fought with all its power to consolidate what it has at the expense of everyone else.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 30, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Ethan's at the plate. Here's the windup... the pitch...

"Swing and a miss! And it's strike three."

Posted by: sbj3 | June 30, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Shorter sbj3: "Post hoc, ergo propter hoc."

Posted by: bearclaw1 | June 30, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows that extending unemployment benefits over and over raises the unemployment rate. Watch the whole interview. She does a great job slicing up Ralston.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/videos/sets/2010/jun/29/sharron-angle-clears-air/

Posted by: Truthteller12 | June 30, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Reid should use the very words she used in an ad. At the exact moment that Reid has been trying to get a jobs bill and unemployment benefits extended, and this idiot is completely clueless. Send her ass back to the Salem Witch days where she clearly came from. What a wingnut loon she is.

Posted by: roxsteady | June 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I know it's hard for you to keep up, SBJ.

See, unemployment benefits during a recession help STABILIZE the ECONOMY.

Of course, I know better than to explain it to you. You're not even interested in the economy, just whining about anything the Dems do or say. You truly are the typical republican low-info angry-for-no-reason voter.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 30, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone knows that extending unemployment benefits over and over raises the unemployment rate."

Please tell us where you got this information. Provide links and evidence.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 30, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone knows..."

HAHA! "Everybody knows"! Hilarious.

Everybody knows that Rush Limbaugh is a pill-popping Oxycontin addict.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@ Truthteller12 :Everyone knows that extending unemployment benefits over and over raises the unemployment rate. Watch the whole interview. She does a great job slicing up Ralston.

Any statement that begins "everyone knows" is probably not true. Do you have any statistics or studies or mainstream economists that back up what "everyone knows"?

Posted by: srw3 | June 30, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The Essence Of SBJ, and other Right Wingers Complaints:

Why is it taking Obama so long to put out the Inferno, that the Bush/Cheney Arsonists started, and he should not be using so much water on the blaze.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 30, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

"Do you have any statistics or studies"

He doesn't understand, and wouldn't if you showed him exactly why he was wrong. That's WHY he says stuff like that. It's more a cry for attention than any other reason. Ignorant and pathetic is no way to go through life. It is sad, actually, when you think about it.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Senators Coburn and Grassley:

Two Senators without any legal training.

First Coburn tried to get Ms. Kagan to agree with him, that people have rights that are not to be found in the constitution.


Then along comes Grassley, and he does the exact opposite to what Coburn was trying to establish.

He wanted Ms. Kagan to agree with him, that rights have to based on the text of the constitution. Ms. Kagan agreed with him.

That means that Grassley thinks Coburn has got it all wrong,

But I bet you that both of them will vote against Ms. Kagan.

Of course Senator Coburn also appeared to be pleading with Ms. Kagan to get The Supreme Court to improve the low approval ratings, that Congress currently receives from the public.

Coburn is just as bent, as Obtuse Angle is.

Posted by: Liam-still | June 30, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Looks Like The Justice Dept. Has The Goods On Goldman Sachs.June 30, 2010 07:37:43 AM

WASHINGTON — Reversing its oft-repeated position that it was acting only on behalf of its clients in its exotic dealings with the American International Group, Goldman Sachs now says that it also used its own money to make secret wagers against the U.S. housing market.

A senior Goldman executive disclosed the "bilateral" wagers on subprime mortgages in an interview with McClatchy, marking the first time that the Wall Street titan has conceded that its dealings with troubled insurer AIG went far beyond acting as an "intermediary" responding to its clients' demands.

The official, who Goldman made available to McClatchy on the condition he remain anonymous, declined to reveal how much money Goldman reaped from its trades with AIG."


From McClatchy News.


Goldman admits it had bigger role in AIG deals

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/29/v-print/96779/goldman-admits-it-had-bigger-role.html

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Posted by: Liam-still | June 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3 : "There are nearly five workers actively searching for work for every job available, compared to 1.5 per job opening before the recession began."

Aren't you disproving Angle's idea that the jobless are just lazy and need to take lower paying jobs?

How many of the job losses happened before Jan 20, 2009 or actually Sept 2009 when the new fiscal year begins and Obama's first budget came into effect? Just askin'

Posted by: srw3 | June 30, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Does Kathleen Parker suddenly deciding to behave like she is full of raging testosterone, have anything to do with her new gig with Elliot Spitzer?


Has she stopped writing like "a real woman", in order to keep Elliot away from her, when they do there nightly TV partnering, on a rotating heart shaped bed?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 30, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Ronald Regan always tried to negoitate with the Democrats, especially Tip O'Neill. He also tried over and over to negotiate with Gorbachev.

According to Kathleen Parker's Gender Evaluation Standards:

That actually made The Gipper, America's First Woman President.

Guess what that made Nancy?

Posted by: Liam-still | June 30, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

@srw: "Aren't you disproving Angle's idea..."

I'm not proving or disproving anything that "whack" says. I'm merely pointing out - as Greg does in his update - that the quotes and facts and figures can easily be used against Reid. Folks might just end up thinking that they couldn't do any worse with Angle than they already are doing with Reid. Reid has been terrible. I thought we all - left and right alike - agreed on that! (BTW - unemployment benefits could be extended right now if the Dems would move it as a standalone bill.)

Posted by: sbj3 | June 30, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/happy_hour_roundup_40.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 30, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Plenty of jobs! Ask Harry Reid where they are! His Stimulus created millions of jobs and capped the unemployment at 8 percent!

Posted by: Post-man | June 30, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3:I'm not proving or disproving anything that "whack" says.

Wait a minute. She said that there were jobs out there for the unemployed. they were just to lazy and spoiled to take the lower paying jobs. In fact, there are 5 unemployed people for every job (at least, I bet it is more like 10 to 1). Doesn't that make Angle's statement false?

Now, I am no fan of Harry Reid. I regularly castigated him for spinelessness in dealing with the dem caucus. But at least he understands that unemployed people in Nevada are not just too lazy to take a lower paying job. I would take a mediocre senator over a person like Angle, who doesn't have the faintest idea about the state of Nevada's unemployed, how social security works (the lock box vs IOU thing is just too stupid for words, unless you believe that the US will default on its debt obligations--not likely), her insistence that all women must carry all pregnancies to term, rape, incest, or deadly fetal abnormality notwithstanding, etc. any day of the week. Tell me sbj3, would you vote for her given her shallow (and that is being generous) understanding of the major issues of the day?

Posted by: srw3 | June 30, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

this, from the onion, is a good portrait of the teabaggers:

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

ESCONDIDO, CA—Spurred by an administration he believes to be guilty of numerous transgressions, self-described American patriot Kyle Mortensen, 47, is a vehement defender of ideas he seems to think are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and principles that brave men have fought and died for solely in his head.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-what-he-imagines-c,2849/

Posted by: blahgblogwordpresscom | June 30, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

@pm: Plenty of jobs! Ask Harry Reid where they are!

from politifact

Both IHS/Global Insight and Moody's economy.com provided us with forward-looking projections for jobs created and saved. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter of 2010, IHS/Global Insight estimates that the gap between employment with and without the stimulus will be 2.45 million jobs, while Moody's economy.com finds the gap to be 2.5 million jobs. ...the independent economists who have produced studies agree that the stimulus has saved or created upwards of 1 million jobs, and that the bill will likely create another million or so jobs in 2010.

Posted by: srw3 | June 30, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

what is she crazy, calling the unemployed spoiled????? Sharron Angle should be fired from her position and now! Greedy fricken women. Obviously she is not for the American People!

Posted by: deborahmadden | June 30, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

i am so upset with sharon angle...how can she even think about cutting out the medicare,the umemployment,nd the food stamps knowing that thereis enough homeless and people that are disabled and have kids.if you allow that to happen you will have alot of people out there so mad.everyone is already losing their homes and if they lose the rest of their lively hood god help us.

Posted by: bbyface2156 | June 30, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

sharon please do not take away unemployment or food stamps.that is all we all have left.you take that away god help you.its wrong of you to support the rich peoplke ansd for get about the rest of us.you will never have my vote cuz you are putting us all in the street withj nothjing and there are aloyt of us that are at least trying to find work.we work for a temp agency cuz there are no jobs hiring...shame on you for letting us all to the dogs

Posted by: bbyface2156 | June 30, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

sharon please do not take away unemployment or food stamps.that is all we all have left.you take that away god help you.its wrong of you to support the rich peoplke ansd for get about the rest of us.you will never have my vote cuz you are putting us all in the street withj nothjing and there are aloyt of us that are at least trying to find work.we work for a temp agency cuz there are no jobs hiring...shame on you for letting us all to the dogs

Posted by: bbyface2156 | June 30, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

At first glance it would appear that she has no idea what it's like to be stuck on unemployment right now. A lot of us really don't have anywhere else to turn. And incidentally, it's an insurance system, not welfare. You wouldn't begrudge someone for collecting on their fire insurance if their house burned down.

But I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Angle is just trying to stir-up resentment among the gainfully employed toward their less fortunate, unemployed brethren as a completely cynical political strategy. People who have been driven to self-righteous indignation are more likely to get out and vote, even if the person fanning those flames is completely disconnected from reality.

Posted by: Caius76 | June 30, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone knows that extending unemployment benefits over and over raises the unemployment rate. Watch the whole interview. She does a great job slicing up Ralston."


You're kidding right? You're not actually that ignorant are you? As people lose their UI benefits they are no longer counted--so yeah, I guess it "raises" the rates. So what? We need to know how many people are really unemployed or nothing can be done about it. If that's how you want to count the unemployed (as we always have) then you can have Angle. In fact, let's enact all of the lame brained TeaBagger ideas and see where we get....deeper in a hole. Then you can blame that on Obama. Fools.

Posted by: Jeff_delaRosa | June 30, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I pointed this out on fix, but it fits here too.

Suppose that half of that 14% of Nevadans unemployed is maried. That is 21% of Nevadans who can expect to be totally out of luick in no more than 26 weeks unless Unemployment benefits get extended. SO, who is trying to get them extended? HR. Who says they should be cut because that 21% is lazy? SA. Who is likley to be more than mad enough to go vote? WHEN that 21% of Nevadan s goes out to vote, in an election where getting half the electorate out and voting is a real trick, means that effectively JUST the unemployed will be 40% of the vote. ALL HR's. Sharon better do a damn fine job of rallying her base, because harry needs 9% of the state to turn out for him under the circumstances. Are angry Hispanic voters at least 9% of Nevadans?

And Sharon has another four months to work her magic personality on Nevada.

Thanks, T-Party, for giving us six more years of Harry(quiet but effective) Reid.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 30, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

By the way, try campaigning on "There are no jobs" (Republicans' current most prevalent campaign claim) and "People without jobs shouldn't get unemployment because it makes them lazy" SA's current primary campaign plank, and see how many voters it gets you.

Posted by: ceflynline | June 30, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Right vs. Left, blah-blah-blah.
Under Bush:
Iraq/Afghan. War: 1 trillion
Money given to Banks: 1 trillion

Under Obama:
Iraq/Afghan/Pakistan War: 1 trillion
Money given to banks: Over 4 trillion and more coming.

Both parties are owned by Goldman Suchs. Get hip, m'chilluns.

Posted by: shred11 | July 1, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of the unemployment bill, I was watching C-SPAN 2 today when the Senate was about to vote to move forward on the bill. Just before the vote, Senator Hutchison R-TX asked Senator Reid if the new bill included new funding for Gulf homeowners to purchase federal flood insurance for which funding had expired. When Senator Reid replied in the affirmative, Senator Hutchison went on to explain that this was necessary because private flood insurance was not available to Gulf homeowners. She then proceeded to vote No to moving the vote forward.

Posted by: tsesee | July 1, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

ceflynline

Please get your parties straight. It is not the republicans saying there are no jobs.

Posted by: grhondi | July 1, 2010 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I don't put it past republicans to vote for such an incredibly ignorant person as this Angle.

They elected mr. flightsuit twice.

Republicans vote for party first, country second.

Posted by: binkynh | July 1, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama & Co. have driven the nation from $10 trillion in debt upon taking office, to a whopping $14 trillion in debt, all in a very brief eighteen months. This figure does not include all of the future spending committed to by Obama & Co. for the next ten years, which will drive the nation from its current 97% debt to GDP ratio to over 150% of GDP in the next few years, even if they can manage to keep private sector profit pirates like George Soros investing in their march to full blown socialism.

Posted by: fury60 | July 1, 2010 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Sharon Angle is even too extreme for Pay-lin to run in on her Grizzly and pump her ignorant lies into the campaign.

P = Please
A = Admit
Y = You
L = Lie
I = Incessantly
N = Nitwit

Posted by: yvonneweston | July 1, 2010 5:00 AM | Report abuse

"Everyone knows that extending unemployment benefits over and over raises the unemployment rate."

In graduate school there was a poster explaining common expression.

It is known = I Believe
It is well know = I know someone else who believes it.
Everyone knows = I know two people who believe it.

Posted by: kchses1 | July 1, 2010 5:54 AM | Report abuse

TO sbj.You left out one little fact that all Republicans and even most Democrats do.The BUSH RECESSION began in the fall of 2007. The BUSH RECESSION lost 800,000 jobs a month in 2008. THe BUSH RECESSION was caused by total NON REGULATORY POLICIES OF THE CROOKS ON WALL STREET by the Republicans. It's time the Democrats told the people that Obama has cut taxes AND id adding jobs. Not any where as fast as we want but,OBAMA ON HIS WORST DAY IS 1000% BETTER THAN BUSH ON HIS BEST!

Posted by: hughsie48 | July 1, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Hey Senator Reid, at least the unemployment rate is not 15%, like President Obama said yesterday. And what would the jobs bill do for Nevada? What would it do for the defecit? These people need private sector jobs. Nevada is mostly vacation oriented business. Good economy, more vacation. Government jobs will not fix Nevada.

Posted by: bobbo2 | July 1, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

The GOP accuses the Dem appointed judges of writing new laws when the opposite is true. Exxon did not have responsibility for the Valdez damage after fighting the fine for a decade so they reduced it. A corporation is an individual (framers had no mention of it with The East India Trading Co.) with free speech rights, so when they violate law we will throw the corporation in jail. The states no longer have the right to regulate their militias (did so for over 200 years), the Federal gov't (SCOTUS) does in Monday's Chicago decision. For Alito and Thomas there is no inherent right to privacy in the 5th, 8th, and 14th amendment, big brother can look and do as it wants. The conservative judges have biblical morals is a lie with no help for the little guy and poor but plenty for the rich (It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to make it to heaven, protect God's green earth, alms for the poor). Scalia said maybe married people would be happier with an orgy. Janice Rodgers Brown said social security was a nice experiment and of course business could exploit workers (no min. wage, workplace rules) and the environment, they have the money.

Posted by: jameschirico | July 1, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Most of the jobs in Las Vegas are service jobs. What would be "a lower point" than a busboy?

Posted by: dataflunky | July 1, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

It still amazes me that the economic mess that started in the waning days of Bush's inept reign, a mess that got worse once it got started, is blamed on Obama as if, like the gulf oil spill, he could fix it by himself overnight. The greedy Republicans in Congress have fought tooth and nail on everything (look at their current refusal to extend unemployment benefits), blocked legislation and appointments, and tried to shift blame from Bush to Obama rather than try to dig us out of this economic nightmare.

This Angle broad is about the limit in stupidity tied to for-the-rich GOP agendas. When oh when will voters finally discover that the GOP is and always has been the party of the rich and the corporate. Check out Barton's pro-BP spiel. The GOP does not care about average Americans. Angle is a dangerous moron.

Posted by: EdSantaFe | July 1, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why my 2 children, one 18 the other 21, were able to interview with only one employer each and both get hired at $10/hour and $12/hour. Sure these positions don't pay a lot, but getting the jobs was easy! And, if they failed to be hired the first place they interviewed, they had 5 more lined up that they thought they had good odds at.

There are tons...tons...of jobs in that $8-25/hour pay range.

Posted by: daninny | July 1, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

The one thing I find peculiar is that no one has mentioned that Angle's husband Ted long worked for the federal government's Bureau of Land Management. If you've spent any time in the West, you know that the BLM has been a hated symbol of federal authority for decades among hard right conservatives in Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho et al. I wonder why no one seems to have asked Angle how she feels about the tremendous amount of authority the feds have over land use in the state she wants to serve as a U.S. Senator?

Posted by: jhpurdy | July 1, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Angle should move to Arizona and be with its biggest moron, the Arizona Governor. Birds of a feather should stick together!

Posted by: oakiedokie | July 1, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

i don't understand how "obtuse" angle has any supporters, particularly those who seem to be in complete juxtaposition to her economic status, i.e., the unemployed and the poor. the only explanation to her appeal she has for these two groups is that they inherently know she will return this country back to the "patriots" and the rest of the country can return to the rightful place as second class cititzens (read non-whites, gays and foreigners). it's not about logic, clarity, or a collective vision for america. it's about scapegoating and blaming the country's ills on that pesky piece of legislation called the civil rights act. that is the unspoken agenda of the tea baggers in spite of their claims about overspending, government overreach and taxation.

Posted by: glenknowles | July 1, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

"Both IHS/Global Insight and Moody's economy.com provided us with forward-looking projections for jobs created and saved. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter of 2010, IHS/Global Insight estimates that the gap between employment with and without the stimulus will be 2.45 million jobs, while Moody's economy.com finds the gap to be 2.5 million jobs. ...the independent economists who have produced studies agree that the stimulus has saved or created upwards of 1 million jobs, and that the bill will likely create another million or so jobs in 2010." Posted by: srw3
========================================
$850 Billion (revised Stimulus Pkg Cost)/2.45 Million "Jobs"= $425,000 per JOB!

Posted by: OttoDog | July 1, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

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