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* Commentators will understandably ask tonight whether Obama's big Oval Office speech solves his "Obama's Katrina" problem by showcasing a tough, compassionate, hands-on president.

But it's also worth asking: Will it shake up the sclerotic dynamic in the Senate, where one of the most massive environmental calamities in our history has inexplicably failed to make action on climate change more likely?

Will Obama's speech succeed in triggering a national debate about the need to pass comprehensive climate change and/or energy reform legislation or shift the conversation in any meaningful sense? If there were ever an opportunity to communicate the urgency of the longer-term challenge to hidebound Senators and to the public at large, an Oval Office address would be it.

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* It's being widely reported that Obama will argue tonight that the spill demonstrates the need for reform, and he's expected to call for legislation that's "comprehensive."

* Aides also say that Obama will "talk about what we must do to decrease our dependence on oil and other fossil fuels."

* But Ezra Klein wants to know whether he'll take on the topics of carbon pricing, climate change, and global warming, which are apparently politically difficult subjects.

* New GOP messaging: Republicans are prepared for a re-ignited conversation over energy reform, and House GOPers will roll out a new argument: Obama should solve the Gulf spill crisis before distracting himself with climate change legislation that Americans don't want.

Minority whip Eric Cantor's office emails a preview of the new message:

According to reports, President Obama will attempt to do with the oil spill precisely what he has done before: utilize a crisis to force the country to accept "comprehensive" reforms that people do not generally support. The President should be ensuring that everything is being done to solve the immediate problem before he even thinks about pursuing uncertain, job-killing legislation.

* Obama is also expected to address the need for better regulatory oil industry oversight, which raises another question: Will he directly fault the deregulation mania that ran rampant before he took office?

* With multiple Big Oil execs (not just BP) headed to the Hill today, House Dems are gearing up to grill them on whether they're prepared to handle future disasters.

* And House Dems are relishing the political opportunity to keep the focus on Big Bad Oil.

* Are the big "green" groups quietly giving Obama a pass on his handling of the spill in order to preserve good relations with the White House?

* Senator Jeff Merkley of Oregon is quietly emerging as someone to watch as the climate change debate unfolds.

* While you weren't looking: With Obama already consumed by the Gulf crisis and the economy, Congressional Dems start hitting the panic button about Afghanistan.

* Stu Rothenberg says Harry Reid could still be in trouble even facing Sharron Angle, because it was always clear he'd be facing an, er, unconventional candidate.

* And Angle is privately reassuring Republicans that she won't allow herself to be painted as a whackjob.

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  |  June 15, 2010; 8:23 AM ET
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Palin has two possible roles up ahead re the Republican Party, either as a symbolic figurehead who can motivate the base and who will be used to assist others into office, or as a symbolic figurehead who will run for the Presidency. The "positioning" here suggests she really may be going for the second.


"Sarah Palin, the once obscure governor from Alaska who is shaking up rightwing US politics, is promising to honour the woman she calls the Iron Lady by visiting Britain to see Margaret Thatcher.

Today Palin told her 1,630,386 Facebook fans that she was in discussions about meeting the baroness. In typically convoluted Palin language, she said she had received an invitation for a visit to London that "included the offer of arranging a meeting" with Thatcher."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/14/sarah-palin-meeting-margaret-thatcher


Again, is it possible the party has become this degraded?

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

“What should Obama say tonight about the Oil Disaster?”

Like the one word advice that Dustin Hoffman received in "The Graduate",
Obama should level with and advise the American people;

"I've got one word to share with you folks. Our future and survival
depends on confronting it. Just one word to say to you --- EMPIRE."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHGCvJjat1E&feature=related

Here's my slightly more explanatory answer to the NYTimes' article, ""Obama
Plans to Force BP's Hand on Oil Spill Fund", on what Obama must say:


"First, it's not a 'SPILL' and should never be referred to as such, since
doing so merely helps the global corporate/financial/militarist EMPIRE's
continuing propaganda war against all of us, our children, 'our' former
country, 'our' former democracy, our dying environment, our assaulted earth,
and our very species.

Obama's coming address will mean absolutely nothing (except that he is a
pawn of this global EMPIRE) unless he "Breaks the Silence" (as Martin Luther
King did in 1967 at Riverside Church, and JFK did in 1963 at American
University) about the disguised EMPIRE which is the proximate CAUSE of all
foreign and domestic "Sorrows of Empire" [Chalmers Johnson], such as all the
EMPIRE-CAUSED; imperialist foreign war crises, domestic financial crises,
global environmental crises, economic oppression crises, social injustice
crises, torture crises, spying crises, 'police-state' tyranny crises,
'targeted assassination' crises, unSupreme Court
unlimited corporate cash crises, the overall democracy crises, and
all inhumanity crises directly CAUSED by this inhuman global corporatist
EMPIRE."

Alan MacDonald
Sanford, Maine

Posted by: alanmd | June 15, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

I think it's not only possible Bernie, but they have. They are strictly focused on short term political victories, for example read Cantor above. There seems to be no reasoning with any of them as our country slips further down the rabbit hole.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 15, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg:

"...where one of the most massive environmental calamities in our history has inexplicably failed to make action on climate change more likely?"

Inexplicably? The current environmental calamity has absolutely nothing to do with "climate change". Nothing whatsoever. There is no reason that one should expect the oil spill to prompt "action on climate change" unless one expects politicians to cynically and dishonestly exploit a crisis in order to further their unrelated poltical agenda....which I guess does make a certain kind of sense given the current occupant of the Oval Office and his band of merry men including Rahm "never let a crisis go to waste" Emmanuel.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"that she won't allow herself to be painted as a whackjob."

This is a viewpoint that upsets me. Rand Paul and Angle have not allowed themselves to be "PAINTED" as whackjobs!!! This is what is disgusting about the tenor and nature of the coverage of today's political debate. Paul and Angle both hold viewpoints that are far from mainstream. There is nothing wrong with that...may make them difficult to elect...but IT IS WHAT IT IS!!! Paul and Angle HOLD VIEWS that are not mainstream and so are consequently viewed by many as "whackjob"

Enough with the apologies and BS...Angle and Paul are not being pilloried or persecuted....THEY ARE SIMPLY HAVING THEIR STATEMENTS AND VIEWS REPORTED!!!! If a majority of folks find their views to be a bit whack then so be it...it the majority of the country is ready to do away with government...then bring on the freaking anarchy and the South American Junta style governments favored so widely by Milton Friedman and other greedy Republican economists.

Posted by: rukidding7 | June 15, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Greg:

"And House Dems are relishing the political opportunity to keep the focus on Big Bad Oil."

Dems are playing politics with this crisis? Shhhhh...don't tell Bernie.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

The fall of the BP empire, destruction of the GOM, deregulation & profit before safety, rising gas prices, an environmental crap shoot, a majority of Americans now against off shore drilling and 71% of Americans wanting the President to be harder on BP sounds like an opportunity to rally the troops behind energy legislation to me Scott.

Posted by: lmsinca | June 15, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"it the majority of the country is ready to do away with government...then bring on the freaking anarchy and the South American Junta style governments favored so widely by Milton Friedman and other greedy Republican economists."

Interesting platform -- South American junta-ruled anarchy. Good, clear thinking for sure.

And how dare a candidate not agree he or she is a whackjob!

This, following more banal comments about how Republicans are all cynical politicians -- comments to a post by Greg that largely raises questions of just how exclusively Democrats will continue to focus on political attacks and machinations.

Another day in wonderland.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"The current environmental calamity has absolutely nothing to do with "climate change". Nothing whatsoever."

Scott C. That may be the lamest post you've ever offered. We understand that you do not wish to believe climate change is connected to our use of fossil fuels. However the CONSENSUS of respected scientific thought is in disagreement with you.

Regardless of your feelings about the CAUSES of Global Climate Change it is just ONE of the reasons our dependence on fossil fuels cannot go on!!! Totally effing up our environment..whether through Carbon emissions or dumping millions of barrels of oil into the Gulf of Mexico is simply ANOTHER reason we need to address our dependence on fossil fuels and DO IT NOW.

Posted by: rukidding7 | June 15, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

("Don't tell Bernie". It's alright, Bernie already knows and approves.)

The WSJ editorial page is fairly dependably the voice of financial and corporate elites. But this editorial is maybe the most repugnant piece of pro-corporate and anti-citizen propaganda I've ever read...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704324304575307111725173500.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama should just cut to the chase and demand legislation that would mandate discovery or invention of a new source of unlimited, clean energy.

That's what all the rhetoric about comprehensive energy legislation means boils down to.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Quite a lovely piece from Lind at Salon...

"Why do conservatives want to European-ize America?
Supposedly, the left is in love with Europe. But have you heard of laissez-faire and the Austrian School?"
http://www.salon.com/news/economics/index.html?story=/opinion/feature/2010/06/15/conservatives_economics_european

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

@qb1: how exclusively Democrats will continue to focus on political attacks and machinations.

Quoting Paul's and Angle's statements and writings, like Paul's letter to the editor stating that the ADA and desegregation of public accommodations (private businesses that serve the public) are unconstitutional and Angle's plan to privitize social security and the VA is not inherently a political attack. These are the things that they have said and not walked back. Since neither will give an interview to any reporter (Faux news' love fests don't count as interviews) then people have to rely on their paper trails to find out about them. The sooner they address there issues the sooner people will understand their positions.

Posted by: srw3 | June 15, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

There is an astounding confluence of events that has led to this critical moment in American history. The collapse of the American automobile industry, the increasingly dire urgency of global climate change, the self-destructive foreign policy dictated by America's addiction to oil, and now, the Gulf Oil Disaster. If I were a godly man I might detect an unseen hand at work. Either way, we have arrived at this historical inflection point with Obama as our president. To date, Obama has refused to accept the mantle of being a transformative president in the mold of FDR. I think history is telling Obama that he cannot avoid his destiny any longer. The United States must emerge from its Dark Age of greed, denial and anti-intellectualism. Now is the moment.

Posted by: wbgonne | June 15, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Sharron Angles thoughts...

The central claim of the Oath Keepers is that they are the last line of defense for the Constitution and our national values. This is what Angle says too. She recently noted that ammunition appears to be selling very fast. "That tells me the nation is arming. What are they arming for if it isn't that they are so distrustful of their government? They're afraid they'll have to fight for their liberty in more Second Amendment kinds of ways? If we don't win at the ballot box, what will be the next step?" http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/06/10/angle_oath_keepers

As Mike Tomasky says, "That's not even subtle."

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

ruk:

"However the CONSENSUS of respected scientific thought is in disagreement with you. "

It matters not whether AGM is real, or whether the use of fossil fuels contributes to it. The current crisis, ie the oil spill, is neither a result of nor a symptom of nor a cuase of climate change, and there is no sensible reason that the spill should cause anyone to rethink their objections to so-called climate change legislation. Again, the effort to link the two is a transparently dishonest and cynical political ploy. No surprise that Greg and others are encouraging just such dishonesty and cyncism, but, pace Bernie, let's not pretend it is anything other than that.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Tomasky adds...

"If the Democrats can't paint this year's crop of GOP candidates as extremists, then they're really out to lunch and should retire. This campaign is going to take one of two basic forms:
1. Are the big-government Democrats out of touch and dangerously statist?
2. Are the Republicans just way too extreme to be productive human beings who can contribute to problem-solving?

That's it. The basic dynamic is going to be decided in the next few weeks" http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky

Yep.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

@RUK: SC3 is correct for once. The gulf oil disaster has more to do with the problem of peak oil than the climate change issue. The well is spewing huge amounts of methane, which is a potent greenhouse gas, so that part does make the greenhouse effect more robust. But the real lesson of this disaster is that our drilling technology has outstripped our ability to manage the wells safely. All of the excuses about working a mile deep are crap. Its not a mystery that any repairs need to be made in a dark, high pressure environment. The oil industry should have been practicing how to deal with this kind of situation years ago.

Posted by: srw3 | June 15, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

IMO, the debate should take place around ENERGY INDEPENDENCE.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | June 15, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting little tidbit of information from attaturk. Amazing.

"This may require Glenn Beck’s blackboard, or better yet, one that makes sense, the LA Times.


Under International law, offshore oil rigs like the Deepwater Horizon are treated as ships, and companies are allowed to “register” them in unlikely places such as the Marshall Islands, Panama and Liberia — reducing the U.S. government’s role in inspecting and enforcing safety and other standards.

Sounds more than dodgy enough, the Amoco Cadiz after all was owned by Amoco, but registered in Liberia, go on…

The Deepwater Horizon oil rig that exploded in the Gulf of Mexico was built in South Korea. It was operated by a Swiss company under contract to a British oil firm. Primary responsibility for safety and other inspections rested not with the U.S. government but with the Republic of the Marshall Islands — a tiny, impoverished nation in the Pacific Ocean.

Hey, the Marshall islands are only in two completely different hemispheres, but I understand they are to oil rig inspection what the Swiss are to chocolate.

The Marshall Islands, where have we recently seen that name crop up?

Oh yeah, Casino Jack Abramoff."

Posted by: lmsinca | June 15, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

"If the Democrats can't paint this year's crop of GOP candidates as extremists"

Bernie - I hate that Tomasky used the term "paint" because it implies that the Dems are going to tar their opponents with something untrue. Fact is, many of this year's GOP candidates ARE extremists - no painting necessary - he should have said "If the Dems can't communicate to the voters that this year's crop of GOP candidates are extremists".

Posted by: schrodingerscat | June 15, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama should announce he's going to invade Iraq in response to the oil spill.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Here's a McClatchy piece from yesterday I didn't see anyone link to.

WASHINGTON — BP's latest plan to capture the oil gushing from the runaway Deepwater Horizon well poses significant safety risks for "several hundred people" working aboard the ships that will process the corralled crude, the oil giant has told the Coast Guard.

In a letter dated Sunday, BP Vice President Doug Suttles said the new scheme would have three ships in place by the end of June capable of processing as much as 53,000 barrels of crude from the well a day, and by mid-July would have four ships collecting between 60,000 and 80,000 barrels a day.

Suttles cautioned, however, that the "multi-vessel containment plan" would pose health and safety risks for workers that "must be carefully managed."

"Several hundred people are working in a confined space with live hydrocarbons on up to four vessels," Suttles wrote. "This is significantly beyond both BP and industry practice."

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/06/14/95867/bp-warns-that-its-new-oil-collection.html#ixzz0qvlZAHMk

Posted by: lmsinca | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

"Obama should announce he's going to invade Iraq in response to the oil spill."

No, he should just mandate invention or discovery of new, unlimited, clean energy.

Heck, require BP to do it. Kick their asses until the do.

Problem solved. That's how competent government works to move us forward.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

schrod - your point is well taken. But it is difficult to find any verb synonym which doesn't leave open the connotation of possible misrepresentation. What we most need to appreciate, I think, is that the Republicans will be active in constructing a particular narrative and we have to be as active and smart in this as well. But we also have to attend to - and then convey - something as close to real states of affairs as we can manage. That's not just a matter of integrity (thus being trusted) but of avoiding the crippling consequences of self-delusion (god will solve stuff, our enemies only understand force, etc).

Scott has a bee in his undies on my use of "propaganda". But it is a concept which we can't ignore, particularly presently, and which we have to understand properly. The term was (as I've mentioned before) used by the emerging marketing industry as their own descriptor of what they did. It was a far more neutral term than now. The change in connotation came about as a consequence of German and Russian techniques of information control. We all "propagate" ideas and narratives. What differentiates one sort from the other is where there is a conscious effort to misinform.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

It's quite obvious that the Republicans simply don't understand the energy debate because they've been ignoring it for so long. That's what happens when you are beholden to a special interest the likes of the oil industry. You simply do as they say for an extended period of time such that your knee-jerk defense of that interest becomes ingrained whether it meets the test of facts and science or not.

The Right is in the grips of the oil industry to the point where they are totally delusional and in denial.

Delusion and denial are two symptoms of addiction. If you look at a list of symptoms that addicts exhibit, it is almost precisely matching with the Republican Party's behavior. We need to have an intervention.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 15, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

wbgonne, agree with your post above on Obama taking a transformational role in moving this country out of what is starting to feel like a dark age. The rise of Palin and those like her signals a turning away from the kind of enlightened society envisioned by everyone who embraces progress. Fear and greed are what the Cheneys and the Palins offer and I'm sorry to see so many embracing these dire alternatives. We need more courage.

Posted by: BGinCHI | June 15, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Americans don't want carbon taxes, no matter what you call them, no matter why you impose them, no matter how much they cost.

Posted by: ecocampaigner | June 15, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Slave Sargent:
"But it's also worth asking: Will it shake up the sclerotic dynamic in the Senate, where one of the most massive environmental calamities in our history has inexplicably failed to make action on climate change more likely?"

Are you sure that you don't want to make the case that the BeePee oil spill has highlighted the need for action on DADT and Gay Marriage legislation?

How about using it to call for Financial "Reform".

And don;t forget more money for schools...and public housing...and...

and...

and...

If moonbats conducted their personal lives the way they conduct their politics, they'd dial the telephone when they wanted to flush the toilet.

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Now, here's something I did not know and hadn't even thought about (slap head):

"All of which is a reminder, incidentally, that German newspapers are incredibly popular compared to their American counterparts. The big national tabloid Bild has a circulation that absolutely dwarfs anything in the United States and they have several “quality” national broadsheets whose circulation compares favorably with the New York Times on a per capita basis."
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2010/06/german-newspaper-circulation/

And, though I'm sure there's been studies or mention of it, I've not seen any discussion of how the newspaper industry in the US might be different from the experience in other nations. That's a pretty big hole in my own noggin for not thinking of this.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Good TP piece on Beck, including the factoid that he just had his worst ratings week of the year... http://thinkprogress.org/2010/06/15/beck-journalist-not-journalist/

Thank god he's got the Dostoevsky career to fall back on.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Jesuschrist! I had never seen this before. According to Digby, these were passed out in Dallas the day before Kennedy was assassinated.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9ks36c549BI/TBcBkSggxfI/AAAAAAAABck/QJOn2dl72Sg/s1600/Wanted_for_treason.jpg

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"Quite a lovely piece from Lind at Salon..."

If by "lovely" he means "based based on a disingenuous premise", then yes, it was quite lovely!

Lind's premise:

"I want to focus here on the assumption that...American conservatives are proud intellectual and political nativists."

Not sure who Lind thinks "assumes" this, other than perhaps his fellow travellers, but no intellectual conservative worth the label thinks that conservative intellectual ideals have their historical roots strictly in the US. The whole piece is founded on a huge red-herring. There is quite a difference between celebrating the fact that modern American culture is more conservative than modern European culture (which conservatives naturally do), and thinking that modern American conservatism has no roots ouside US history (which conservatives do not). Lind (and Bernie) should learn the difference.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

@Scott - Let us sit down one day and share a plate of Freedom Fries. With perhaps a latte to top it off.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Slave Ethan:
"Delusion and denial are two symptoms of addiction. If you look at a list of symptoms that addicts exhibit, it is almost precisely matching with the Republican Party's behavior. We need to have an intervention."

Once again, you single-handedly deliver the morning moonbat mirth!

"We"? Who is this "we" that is going to hold an intervention? And upon whom?

Delusion and denial are often followed by paranoia, moonbat. As in seeing massive conspiracies by everybody everywhere when the sane world continues to refuse on buying into YOUR insanity.

For instance:
"The Right is in the grips of the oil industry to the point where they are totally delusional and in denial."

You forgot the Coal and the Nuclear industry, bubba. Every time an energy or environmental issue bubbles up, the GOP can be found advocating for taking a conservative approach to whatever "reforms"
(I'm being charitable about what constitutes reform), is being proposed.

Or...has it ever occurred to you that it is YOU who are in denial about your delusions.

See, it is equally valid to observe that you are predictably and slavishly on the side of those who would, if they could, impose an outright ban on the energy resources that we need and that we use RIGHT NOW.
And you lot offer nothing really to replace it but federally subsidized unicorn farts.

"That's what happens when you are beholden to a special interest the likes of the oil industry. You simply do as they say for an extended period of time such that your knee-jerk defense of that interest becomes ingrained whether it meets the test of facts and science or not."

"Science" is not just the guy in the white coat who is paid to agree with you.
The Climategate e-mail disclosures are putting paid to THAT little jalopy of a secular religulous moonbat belief.

But when you are so menatlly and emotionally beholden to your own neo-Luddite political tendencies and false belief systems, (despite dressing them up in a white lab coat and calling them "Environmental Science"), that you reflexively attack the resource extraction industries that power modern civilization.

And as I pointed out already, you offer nothing to replace the resources that can be used right now.

BTW, do YOU personally own and operate an automobile?

Posted by: Bilgeman | June 15, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Everyone should check out this latest polling on the pending energy bill:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_jb.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 15, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Bernie, it's the same garbage the fanatics on the right are saying today.

They live in some alternate universe filled with straw men only they see.


Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Looks like today is paranoid delusion day here at Moonbat Manor.

Really, folks, scan over your collective comments. Notice anything . . . paranoid?


Scott,

Your absolutely right re Lind. It's such a dunderheaded thesis, as evident just from the snippet Bernie gave.

ALL prominent strains of American political and economic thought have European origins. Duh!

But today's Europe is hardly following the Austrian school of economics.

What an idiotic argument, and all for no purpose except to blow an intellectual raspberry in the vein of "takes one to know one."

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Racist Slave-Master Bilgefreak:

Read the link I posted above. It shows just how far out of the mainstream you really are.

Here it is again:

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM130_jb.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | June 15, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

mike - The similarities to the present are what struck me so forcefully.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"Jesuschrist! I had never seen this before. According to Digby, these were passed out in Dallas the day before Kennedy was assassinated."

It's always wonderful how you take care with the religious sensibilities of others.

You've seen the large catalogues of hate literature against GW Bush I've linked here before. You didn't have to go back so far in history to find such material.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Ethan. Looks very positive but I'm not a polling guy. Hopefully, Nate will go through this one and check it out.

Posted by: bernielatham | June 15, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Republican's are getting good mileage painting all the Democrats legislation as "job killing" while reality shows we lost more jobs because of their tax cuts. You know, the ones that encouraged our jobs going overseas.

If the Democrats want to minimize their November losses, they really need to start talking about the elephant in the room. They have got to start pushing back against the Republican rhetoric machine...

Posted by: soapm | June 15, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"Jesuschrist! I had never seen this before. "

I guess your library doesn't include any Kennedy conspiracy books. It is a perrennial exhibit for those who try to pin the assassination on the CIA, or right-wing radicals, or pretty much anyone other than the left-wing loon who actually did it.

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"Bernie, it's the same garbage the fanatics on the right are saying today."

How many times have you seen Plum Line become a forum for the still-rampant shrieking from Dems that Bush and Cheney are guilty of treason and should be tried and executed, or guilty of war crimes and should be sent to the Hague for trial?

Countless times is the answer. You might be guilty yourself.

And don't try to tell me "they deserve it" (per Tena) or you disagree with it (since liberals at Plum Line never say a word about it), either.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"It's always wonderful how you take care with the religious sensibilities of others."

Whhaaa?

and...

qb, the big diff is Bush wasn't assassinated by some left wing whack job.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | June 15, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The democratic line should be, "now is the perfect time to pass new energy legislation. We know there was not enough oversight to prevent the well currently leaking but we must do what we can NOW to stop repeats of this disaster"...

Posted by: soapm | June 15, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

All, my take on what Obama should say on climate change:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/06/what_obama_should_say_on_clima.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | June 15, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"qb, the big diff is Bush wasn't assassinated by some left wing whack job."

I see, so it's okay to encourage assassination, so long as it doesn't happen or call the President wanted for treason, as long as he isn't actually assassinated.

Of course, Kennedy was assassinated by a misfit communist, not a Republican who saw a flyer.

Posted by: quarterback1 | June 15, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"Scott has a bee in his undies on my use of "propaganda"."

Insert "hypocritical" before "use".

Posted by: ScottC3 | June 15, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

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