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Journolist flap shows conservative media conspiracy, not liberal one

That's the real story behind the Journolist flap, no matter what you've read to the contrary on news sites, reputable or otherwise.

Consider today's lead story on the Daily Caller, the conservative site that's led the charge on the J-list "scandal." The story "exposes" a J-List thread in which the topic of some kind of journalistic coordination came up. It has this huge headline:

Journolist debates making its coordination with Obama explicit

But way down in the 13th paragaraph, the story quotes a post from the very same thread in which J-List founder and Post blogger Ezra Klein excplicitly rules out any such coordination:

Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, the founder of Journolist, quickly jumped in: "Nope, no message coordination. I'm not even sure that would be legal. This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character," he wrote.

In other words, the headline on this story could have been: "J-List founder ruled out conspiracy." That might not have been suitable as a lead story, however. Just pause for a moment to consider how amazingly misleading this is: The same thread in which the founder of J-List ruled out any conspiracy is the basis for an enormous headline claiming J-List "debated" making it a conspiracy!

By any measure this snippet from Ezra should close down this story. But while the J-List flap hasn't penetrated to the mainstream media, it continues to rage in right-wing media precincts.

And that's the broader point here: The only media conspiracy involving J-List has been on the right. It's a conspiracy to pretend there's a story here, when there isn't one.

Full disclosure: I was associated with J-List myself, and I described the timeline of that association right here.

By the way, the conspiring on the right goes beyond this: The Daily Caller appears to be deliberately picking subjects from J-List threads that will get it maximum pickup from the conservative media -- and right-leaning outlets are obliging.

The Daily Caller builds stories by cherry-picking from threads about Fox News and Rush Limbaugh -- and gets rewarded with pickup on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. It does a story transforming J-List discussion about Sarah Palin into "coordination," and Palin -- who's fast becoming a media figure in her own right -- responds by giving it a big push herself. And on and on.

The real story here is that right wing media are engaged in a coordinated, conspiratorial effort to pretend that J-List proves that there is a Vast Left-wing Media Conspiracy, when the evidence conclusively shows otherwise.

By Greg Sargent  |  July 26, 2010; 11:01 AM ET
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Thank you for digging deeply as usual and not getting cowed by the cons or waylaid by the meta narrative. Breath of fresh air, happy Monday!

Posted by: KathleenHusseininMaine | July 26, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

But but....Wright, Ayers, ACORN, FEMA Camps, the tooth fairy!, etc etc etc...

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/06/boehners-new-media-director-insults-blogs-conservative-movement-on-private-listserve.html

This story actually came out on a right wing listserv which actually included representatives of Republican politicians. J-list forbade involvement of anyone involved with government.

Klein's take on the right wing listserv.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/06/a_tale_of_two_--_actually_many.html

Posted by: DDAWD | July 26, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Troll frenzy in 3... 2... 1

Posted by: cmccauley60 | July 26, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Republicans -- and their media lapdogs -- are lying assh0les.

Re-posting my comment about Republicans and the media from morning thread:

"""They've admitted to their cynical strategy of saying no to everything that would help the economy.

They've admitted to deceiving the American public on "complicated" bills.

They've admitted to inappropriate cavorting with female lobbyists.

They've admitted to attacking NAACP because the NAACP called out racist elements in the Tea Party.

They've admitted that they want Obama to fail and that they wanted HCR to "break" the President.

They've admitted that they don't want any limits at all on corporate donations in elections.

WHERE THE F__K IS THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA'S REPORTING ON THE GOP?

It's here:

*GOP lawmakers optimistic about 'no' votes*

A disgraceful puff piece that says nothing. America is going to be totally and completely screwed if the GOP wins power and there's not even so much as a hint at what they WANT to do and HOW they intend to get there. I say again, this country is so screwed up it's not funny. I still have high hopes for Obama and the Dem agenda, but given the extreme views of the GOP and the fact that they will be gaining seats, if not control, America is probably well beyond repair at this point. THANKS GOP! THANKS PATHETIC MEDIA. Heckuva job. It should be fun being a former superpower."""

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Let's assume just for argument sake that this is a right wing media plot. You would have to admit, we're smarter than the libs because we are able to beat them at their own game.

Ask Van Jones, ask Shirley Sherrod and now ask the writers from Journolist if they have a better understanding now about how Sarah Palin feels.

The shoe really hurts when it's on the other foot, now doesn't it?

Just desserts are dishes best served cold.

Posted by: ReaganTMan1 | July 26, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

ya, this will probably bring out the trolls, some regular ones and probably a lot of new ones.

as i and others have noted before though, simply providing them with facts won't change their minds. they decided what the 'real facts' are and nothing will dislodge those facts from their brain stems.

this just fits too well with their myths of the 'liberal media' and their faith in right wing 'crusaders' who fight the evil media machine.

tpm has a piece up about breitbart attending an rnc function next month and even co headline a reception with steele:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/steele-to-hold-rnc-event----co-starring-andrew-breitbart.php?ref=fpa

Posted by: blahgblogwordpresscom | July 26, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargent, this is unusually weak sauce you are serving.

"Aha! Klein said there was no conspiracy! Ergo, no conspiracy! All of that conspiring to get 'on message' about Jeremiah Wright and Sarah Palin was just a couple-hundred white guys sittin' around talkin'!"

Pathetic. Truly pathetic. Fortunately for you, your media co-horts are ignoring this story.

Posted by: liee | July 26, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"ask the writers from Journolist if they have a better understanding now about how Sarah Palin feels."

She's a complete air head barely able to form a complete coherent thought. Who's her equivalent on the Journolist?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

gosh, no Skippy yet? I'm disappointed.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | July 26, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

From TPM.

"TPM Exclusive: Steele To Hold RNC Event -- Co-Starring Andrew Breitbart"

TPM has a copy of the Invitation.

This ties the RNC directly to The Racist Evil Propagandist, Andrew Breibart.

The Republican Party has been exposed.

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Note that liee is unable to grasp that Ezra ruled out coordination in the very thread that the DC is citing in order to suggest coordination. Amusing.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Yes! This journolist thing is really a right wing conspiracy even though the posters on the list thingy were liberal/ultra liberal.

And beyond that - black is really white, up is really down, rich is really poor, and this stupid writer is really very smart!

Posted by: bandmom22 | July 26, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Worth looking at today's piece in the American Spectator, where Jeffrey Lord's headline calls Shirley Sherrod a liar because her lynched uncle was beaten to death by a mob on the courthouse steps in broad daylight, rather than hanged by a mob on the courthouse steps in broad daylight.

This is exactly the kind of relentless, baseless smear campaign against Sherrod we would have seen if Vilsack hadn't fired her.

Which is why it's so ridiculous that we keep pretending the story here is what the White House did.

The story is Breitbart and Fox. That would be the same Breitbart who is joining Michael Steele of the RNC to host a 3-day fundraiser in California to support the Republican Party. Oh, and the Lt. Governor will be there as well.

But by all means, let's continue to deflect attention from Breitbart and his buddies at Fox. Yep, they're not the prime mover in this summer-long race-baiting fiasco at all. Nope, just a bunch of guys reporting on the story. Or something.

Posted by: theorajones1 | July 26, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Racist Media racistly obfuscate the meaning of Racism in America
(blacks, Latinos, Asians, Indigenous... don't have power to engage in Racism - the First Lady can't even wear her hair Natural - because of white supremacist racism!)
(Racism [in America] serves to maintain advantages European-Americans [who are referred to only as "white" by racist media] - latinos, blacks, asians, etc don't have any Advantage politically or corporately or with regard to teaching true history or with regard to influencing economic or religious culture or values...)
But racist media - newspapers, talkshows, and other "white only - except for indoctrinated [often straightened hair] minorities", will continue to obfuscate what racism is because that serves to maintain advantages for European-Americans aka "whites"....


so we do live under Judaic-Christianic terrorist rule... except the citizens of Jewish and Christian sects consent.No wonder Michelle Obama keeps her hair straightened.the only parts of the Constitution that is supported by juridical, congressional, and executive terrorists are the parts from which they suck their authority.

"What is racism?

Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans."

"...Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views. Evidence suggests that the More strongly we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem to support these views. We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person=s speech than in a White person=s; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back..."

Excerpts from what was Written by ..., PhD
At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Posted by: stephendavid2002 | July 26, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Mr. Sargent would be eager to accept ANY right-wingers explanation of ANYTHING with a simple, "well, so and so said it wasn't true, so that's good enough for me!"

You people act so smart, and think you're so smart, but you're so easily owned. You don't think anymore, you just react.

I wonder how you react to this:

http://www.marinkapeschmann.com/2010/07/26/memo-to-journolist-fbi-documents-show-alliance-between-obama%E2%80%99s-associates-rev-wright%E2%80%99s-black-liberation-movement-and-bill-ayers%E2%80%99-weatherman/

Posted by: liee | July 26, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"...the new racism describes a more elusive, political, almost abstract language of race which avoids blatantly negative racist statements in favor of political codewords and symbols. This new racism is partly based on a view of racial discrimination as being outdated and puts the onus of achievement and equality on African Americans and other ethnic minority people. If African Americans would, for example, stop clamoring for special treatment and simply work harder, they could achieve the American Dream. The idea is that it is African Americans= own deficiencies B whether they be greed, laziness, violence, and so on B that are the cause of their problems, not the history of slavery, segregation, discrimination, prejudice, and racism which is assumed to have come to an end...."
Excerpts from what was Written by ..., PhD
At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

"Pitfall # 1: Defining Racism as Pathology or a Mental Disorder
A common myth that many hold is that racism is the result of extreme pathology, that it is a "sickness", "unhealthy" and a function of disturbed minds. Some have even argued that racism should be classified in DSM�IV�TR as a mental disorder and "racists" should be considered mentally disturbed. Indeed, it is possible to argue that White Supremacists are filled with such hatred and bigotry that they see the world in delusional terms. While I entertain the notion that those who perpetrate hate crimes may suffer from some form of mental disorder, they represent a very small fraction of the racism problem. Studies suggest that racism is very pervasive, that it is present in nearly everyone, and that it is the more subtle and unintentional expressions, racial microaggressions, that truly do the greatest harm to persons of color. To equate racism with pathology, unfortunately, diminishes the widespread nature of racism and allows us to escape entertaining the notion that we all harbor racist attitudes and engage in discriminatory behaviors, not just the mentally disturbed.

Pitfall # 2 � Belief that Racism is Not Normative or Widespread
The near unanimous public outcry against hate groups and the condemnation of these acts may seduce us into the belief that we are not bigoted because we are not hate mongers. We now understand that racism is, in many ways, very normative, an everyday occurrence, and generally invisible in our lives. They occur almost constantly in the form of racial microaggressions; invisible and outside of conscious awareness. Their frequency in everyday interactions suggests that racism functions as a default standard. By making racism invisible, we unintentionally enable and empower its manifestation. The result is that we preserve our self�image as a good, moral and descent person, and allow us to deny its existence in ourselves, our family, and our friends.

excerpt from COMMUNIQUÉ
SPECIAL SECTION: PSYCHOLOGY AND RACISM

Posted by: stephendavid2002 | July 26, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Sargent's headline is just as misleading as the one he attacks at Daily Caller. Conspiracy requires a "a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act." Sargent shows no such agreement. On the other hand, Journolist eminently shows collusion and conspiracy -- even if some list members dissented from some proposed actions.

Posted by: scolaighe | July 26, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

bandmom...all that means is that the daily caller is a little more fair-minded in representing others than ummm...400 journolisters

Posted by: liee | July 26, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Pitfall # 3 � Belief that White Supremacists Are the Ones Who
Perpetrate the Greatest Harm to People of Color

Hate crimes represent only the tip of the racism iceberg. The more insidious, damaging and harmful forms of racism are expressed through the everyday, unintentional, and unconscious racial microaggressions perpetrated by ordinary citizens who believe they are doing right. It isn't the White Supremacist who controls the tools which result in educational, economic and political disparities that work to the detriment of Persons of
Color. In fact, these overtly racist individuals affect only a small part of my life. It is people we elect to office, teachers who educate our children, business leaders who carry out the policies and practices of their corporations, government leaders, law enforcement officers, physicians, dentists, construction workers, our family, friends, and neighbors. It is ordinary citizens who experience themselves as good, moral and descent individuals, who consciously believe in democracy, and who would never consciously discriminate.


Pitfall # 4 � Racism Only Harms People of Color
Many White Americans are unaware of how racism also harms them. They live a false racial reality and operate within a "matrix" that allows them to see the world through "rose colored glasses" and prevents them from seeing the ugliness and reality of racism. In some respects, our White people are also victims of racism. Their victimization however is different from People of Color. Whites have been fed a racial curriculum based upon falsehoods, unwarranted fears and in the belief in their own group's superiority. As a result, they have unwittingly conspired with a part of the system that advantages them, while disadvantaging people of color. Most Whites were socialized into oppressor roles, yet taught concepts of social democracy, fairness, justice and equality. Recognizing the polarities of the democratic principles of equality and the unequal treatment of persons of color is not pleasant for White Americans.
Being an oppressor (even unknowingly) means the dimming of perceptual awareness and accuracy. Allowing the degradation, harm and cruelty to Persons of Color mean the diminution of one's humanity, and lessening compassion toward others. At some level, oppressors become callous, cold, hard and unfeeling toward the plight of the oppressed. It means separating yourself from others, seeing them as lesser beings, and in many cases subhuman aliens. From this perspective, racism serves as a clamp on one's mind, allowing for the systematic mistreatment of others by perpetuating a false illusion of one's racial superiority. To continue allowing systems of injustice to exist and to deny complicity in the oppression of others means denying reality."

excerpt from COMMUNIQUÉ
SPECIAL SECTION: PSYCHOLOGY AND RACISM
Ten Years After the Miniconvention AUGUST 2008
...American Psychological Association

Posted by: stephendavid2002 | July 26, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

This is huge. Get on it.


From TPM.

"TPM Exclusive: Steele To Hold RNC Event -- Co-Starring Andrew Breitbart"

TPM has a copy of the Invitation.

This ties the RNC directly to The Racist Evil Propagandist, Andrew Breibart.

The Republican Party has been exposed.

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 11:37 AM

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Talk about cherry pikin...

You (Greg) point to a passage in the DC story...

"Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, the founder of Journolist, quickly jumped in: "Nope, no message coordination."

end of story you suggest... nothing to see here folks...

did you stop reading there?

sure Luke Mitchell agreed... “Fair enough, Ezra!"

But some writers went on to strategize anyway... in a not so clever... kinda... I'm not strategizin but...

what be be wrong with saying... the kinda language parents use around thier less sophisticated children..

or abbott might trick costello...

For example.. Todd Gitlin... Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism...

qoute from article:
“On the question of liberals coordinating, what the hell’s wrong with some critical mass of liberal bloggers & journalists saying the following among themselves:

“McCain lies about his maverick status. Routinely, cavalierly, cynically. Palin lies about her maverick status. Ditto, ditto, ditto. McCain has a wretched temperament. McCain is a warmonger. Palin belongs to a crackpot church and feels warmly about a crackpot party that trashes America.

did you read that far?

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/26/journolist-debates-making-its-coordination-with-obama-explicit/2/#ixzz0unqV2b7Z

Posted by: darrell55 | July 26, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

From TPM

"Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele has a party fundraising event coming up in August that is scheduled to feature a very special guest: Conservative media activist Andrew Breitbart, according to a copy of the invitation exclusively obtained by TPM.

The fundraising event, billed as an "Election Countdown," will take place from August 12-14 in Beverly Hills, California, and will also feature other politicians such as California Lt. Gov. Abel Maldonado, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, and Nevada Republican gubernatorial nominee Brian Sandoval. Steele and Breitbart are scheduled to co-headline a welcome reception on the first evening, August 12."

....................
Truth In Advertising.

Republicans should now move to change their identity tag from GOP to:

GORP: Gathering Of Racist Propagandists.

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

O & O till the next topic.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | July 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Racist Media racistly obfuscate the meaning of Racism in America
(blacks, Latinos, Asians, Indigenous... don't have power to engage in Racism - the First Lady can't even wear her hair Natural - because of white supremacist racism!)
(Racism [in America] serves to maintain advantages European-Americans [who are referred to only as "white" by racist media] - latinos, blacks, asians, etc don't have any Advantage politically or corporately or with regard to teaching true history or with regard to influencing economic or religious culture or values...)
But racist media - newspapers, talkshows, and other "white only - except for indoctrinated [often straightened hair] minorities", will continue to obfuscate what racism is because that serves to maintain advantages for European-Americans aka "whites"....


so we do live under Judaic-Christianic terrorist rule... except the citizens of Jewish and Christian sects consent.No wonder Michelle Obama keeps her hair straightened.the only parts of the Constitution that is supported by juridical, congressional, and executive terrorists are the parts from which they suck their authority.

"What is racism?

Racism is racial prejudice that has been incorporated into the activities and procedures of major institutions, corporations, social systems (such as those related to housing, education, and health), and other arenas of major social activity (such as politics, the media, finance, and banking). Racism serves both to discriminate against ethnic minorities and to maintain advantages and benefits for White Americans."

"...Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views. Evidence suggests that the More strongly we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem to support these views. We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person=s speech than in a White person=s; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back..."

Excerpts from what was Written by ..., PhD
At the request of the American Psychological Association
Public Interest Directorate

Michelle Obama's hair (along with other Americans of African descent that are allowed to be talking heads...) is a tribute to white supremacist racism (and media 'aparently' "dominated by [Jewish men]"

Posted by: stephendavid2002 | July 26, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Whether you use the word conspiracy or not, it should be obvious by now that extremist right-wing media led by Fox is the biggest threat to American democracy since Joseph McCarthy. And unlike the McCarthy era, responsible conservatives and the Republican Party appear powerless to stop it. If McCarthy had a TV "news" network actively spreading his lies and slanders, he would have been infinitely more dangerous. But the news networks at that time were in the hands of rational people who didn't buy what McCarthy was selling.

Posted by: tboyer33 | July 26, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This further right wing conspiracy is intended to distract from the absolute hypocritical hogwash that is the GOP:

Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) said over the weekend that House Republicans will throw “everything we’ve got” into extending the tax cuts for the rich.

But just one day before promising to go to bat for the rich, Pence was excoriating the Obama administration about the deficit. “This year alone the deficit is projected to surpass last year’s record and soar to $1.47 trillion,” Pence said. “We cannot continue to postpone the hard choices and sacrifices that are necessary to stop this fiscal train wreck.”

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/07/26/deficit-fraud-pence/

Posted by: cmccauley60 | July 26, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

You're kidding, right? The entire mainstream media is an aggregate volunteer errand boy for left wing politicos and their pet projects. If the right is finally pushing back, it's about time! And that overdue reaction is what you guys are really upset about. You've had this all to yourselves forever, and now you're getting a little competition. Poor babies. Get your pacifier and suck until your anxiety wains.

Posted by: Larryw21 | July 26, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, the founder of Journolist, quickly jumped in: "Nope, no message coordination. I'm not even sure that would be legal. This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character," he wrote.
_____________________
And Ted Bundy said he was just concerned that the girls got home safely. David Berkowitz was just trying to keep his dog happy. What utter nonsense. Would you expect Ezra Klein to admit that he was trying to manipulate news coverage?

Posted by: righton2 | July 26, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Who really cares? There is so much crap on the Internet and cable news that is biased and untrue. My recommendation is to unplug yourself and get outside and enjoy life again. Leave the ranting behind.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | July 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

The Vast Majority of MSM is owned By Large Right Wing Corporate Types.

They are closer to being Christo Fascists than to ever being Progressive Media Operations. They have completely taken over all talk radio.

There are no liberal equivalents to The Big Fat Pillbilly, Raw Insanity, Beck and call toward Racists, or Big O'Lie Easily.

The Right Wing Owns all the stations, and will only carry the voices of The Right Wing Hate Mongers.

"Liberal Media" is just a Big Lie Propagated By The Right Wing Propagandists Who Control The Air Waves.

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Fox is the modern day McCarthy.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Funny the Liberals OWN most of the media and now they want to eliminate one of the views bastions of truth - Fox news - but it won't happen and the Dems will get destroyed in the midterms and 2012 General elections. The more the Post and the liberals attack Fox news and others, the more independents and other groups flock to the GOP! Keep it up nitwits!

The desperation emiitting from the Democrats is overwhelming - they know they are finished.

Posted by: Realist201 | July 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Gotta admit, Greg Sargent has got the rabid right-wingers dead to rights on this one.

The Daily Caller deliberately CHERRY-PICKED emails on topics of interest to it's audience - such as the 2008 election, Obama, and Palin - and left out e-mails concerning low-fat recipes and the sexual practices of New Republic staffers.

And that's just evil.

Posted by: kryon77 | July 26, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

What a complete pant load...

We already KNOW you were a Journolist member....

You even confessed while doing the downplay dance...

-----------------------

Your Confession:

At risk of getting drawn into this debate, I was a member of J-List for some time, but never when I was writing for The Post. I'd originally signed up as a member when I was at TPM, and remained one after The Washington Post Company hired me to write for WhoRunsGov. But I almost never participated -- I was a lurker -- and I removed myself from the list well before my blog was moved over to The Post proper, mainly because I was sick of being overwhelmed by emails.

-------------------


Now you of course go into full " I have to save my reputation" mode...do your faithful duty...and point your finger twords the "vast right wing conspiracy"...

Save it for the libtards...they are the only ones who will believe you now as is self evident by many comments here...

Any shred of credibility you had you squandered by failing to break this story yourself...

You are part of it now....and everything you will ever write is tainted goods..

I hear McDonalds is hiring..

Have a nice day.

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

All, finally a big news org weighs in on the Breitbart elephant in the room:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/no_both_sides_dont_do_what_bre.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 26, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Dear Republicans,

Do you EVER get tired of being wrong?

Shirley Sherrod
Van Jones
ACORN
Obama's a Kenyan
Obama's a Muslim
Obama's a Racist
Obama caused the oil spill on purpose
Obama wants to indoctrinate our youth
Obama "promised" unemployment wouldn't go higher than 8%
Death Panels
"Family Values"
Iraq War
Torture
Tax Cuts for the Rich increase govt revenue
Such and such Dem policy is a "job killer"

Honestly...

There have been too many of these flagrantly false dirty tricks to count, and it has been proven over and over again that NONE of them have ANY validity whatsoever.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

Have you ever stopped to think that maybe the next Breitbart/GOP ploy will be proven false, just like all of the rest?

Are you even capable of critical thinking anymore?

Have you lost ALL common sense and decency?

Do you care at all about America or just the Republican Party?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Racism is different from prejudice and is different from discrimination.

Prejudice--I don't like you because you wear wingtip shoes

Discrimination--I won't serve you coffee because you are wearing wingtip shoes.

Racism--The interlocking web of cultural, economic, and political rules and norms that empowers a dominant group to impose restrictions on the economic, political, and social actions and transactions of a non-dominant group.

Intentionally segregated, separate but equal, public schools and protective covenants that prevent racial or ethnic minorities are examples of de jure racism.

Redlining, where banks refuse to lend money to minorities who want to buy in certain areas, or only lend to minorities who buy in certain neighborhoods is an example of de facto racism.

Note that a disempowered minority is not able to practice racism against the dominant group. They can harbor prejudice and discriminate against the dominant group (although that has little effect since the disempowered group generally has no resources that the dominant group hasn't already taken). But they can not be racist, because the disempowered group does not control the legislative, legal, and cultural institutions that impose racism on a group.

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The DC is not claiming that the Journolist represents a monolithic cohort of conspiratorial coordination of pro-Obama coverage. It's merely showing that among a diverse group of participants, there were indeed many who felt it safe and normal to solicit coordinated coverage from fellow participants.

No one has argued, I don't think, that the very purpose of the list was to coordinate coverage. That participants obviously did coordinate coverage, though, shows that however salutary the purpose of a thing, when abuse is tolerated and perhaps given a wink and a nod, such abuses will proliferate.

Consider the complete thread on Trig Palin, just released. It shows the list had both saints and devils, and it does show an expectation by many that their list peers would be sympathetic to the hope of using Trig as a political club to whack Palin. Kudos to the listers who expressed their disdain for the whole conversation -- but the hacks continued without regard for this internal voice of conscience.

That division in the list makes it impossible to defend "the list" in a general way; one has to examine specific participants. The left would rather defend "the list" in order to avoid that, but that's just not going to work here. It feeds into the right's ability, against general defenses, to cite specific egregious cases.

Whatever. We're beginning to see who the scumbags on this list are, as well as the angels.

Posted by: rasqual | July 26, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

A group of liberal reports discuss media manipulation and news suppression in a coordinated forum and you call it a right wing conspiracy? I think Edward R Murrow would be rolling over in his grave. I teach a college media class and this is clearly unethical behavior and should not be part of a professional journalist's protocol.

Posted by: sarno | July 26, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!
Greg Sargent says:
"Journolist flap shows conservative media conspiracy, not liberal one."

Hey Greg, try this one: "I know you are but what am I?'
Or this: "I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."

Greg goes on to say: "In other words, the headline on this story could have been: "J-List founder ruled out conspiracy."

Riiight. In other words, Ezra Klein investigated himself and found himself innocent. Or at the very least did some serious CYA by saying: "Nope, no message coordination. I'm not even sure that would be legal."

The left-wing media continue to flail about making themselves look ever more incredibly preposterous.

Posted by: spamsux1 | July 26, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"I teach a college media class and this is clearly unethical behavior and should not be part of a professional journalist's protocol"

sarno, what's FOX NEWS to you then, paradise?

They fail Journalism 101 on a daily basis.

FKING HYPOCRITE.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

You are not qualified to teach a dog how to retrieve a newspaper, never mind teaching a college media course.

Right Wing Nut Jobs love to start out by claiming to have credentials that they do not have.

Edward R. Murrow would have laughed at your pathetic defense of The Right Wing Oligarchs domination of the American Media.

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"making themselves look ever more incredibly preposterous. "

What's your view on Fox News?

Let me guess:

There's no bias. It's only factual reporting. And Hannity is always right.

Am I right?

HYPOCRITE.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Nice argument, Sargent.

What are you, five?

Posted by: etpietro | July 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

No offense Greg, but Ezra Klein does not decide if the Journolist story is valid. Nor do you, nor does Kathleen Parker. The news reading public gets to decide. And as far as I can see all of these "Daily Caller" stories just back up history. All of this Journolist crap has already happened. This is exactly how this past election cycle was covered. Reverend Wright, William Ayers, Sarah Palin, this is exactly how the media covered these stories. It is in the bag. It can be verified. It is history now. Republican, right-wing, blah blah blah. Bush, Rush, Sean, Rove, blah blah blah. Leave that for all of your Democrat flat-lining, mind numbing, koolaid drinking stooges. No wonder why nobody cares about the current corruption in the government, because the media is corrupt. Corruption is all in the family, isn't that the Chicago way? Nobody made you behave the way you did, but the way you behaved is now in the journalism history books. IT HAS ALREADY COME TO PASS!

Posted by: jondos | July 26, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse


Who really cares? There is so much crap on the Internet and cable news that is biased and untrue. My recommendation is to unplug yourself and get outside and enjoy life again. Leave the ranting behind.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | July 26, 2010 12:06 PM
.................

When People like you register, just to post such condescending drivel, the following line from Blazing Saddles, always comes into my mind.

"What's a dazzling urbanite like you doing in a rustic setting like this?"

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"ask the writers from Journolist if they have a better understanding now about how Sarah Palin feels."

She's a complete air head barely able to form a complete coherent thought. Who's her equivalent on the Journolist?

Posted by: mikefromArlington |

____________________________________

Based on many the idiotic comments posted on Journolist, ummmm, I'm going to say pretty much all of them.

Actually that's not fair.......

.........to Sarah Palin.

Posted by: etpietro | July 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Ezra certainly deserves credit for insisting that there be no coordination (although the emails that follow certainly sound like what coordination would sound like, although all without Ezra's active participation).

However, now that TheDC is providing the full context of the threads for it's stories, the blanket defense being provided sounds implausible. That is: yes, TheDC is being sensationalistic. Yes, this is all overblown. Yes, these are mostly just like-minded people talking amongst themselves about the kinds of things they mostly all agree about.

However, if you can't read what was in the Journolist and understand why some folks, right-of-center, would arch an eyebrow, you either (a) completely lack any sort of empathy for anyone who is not, by and large, identical to you in every way or (c) are disingenuously trying to spin the story without stopping to think that a spoonful of sugar might seriously help the medicine go down.

Also, it might be worth a moment to acknowledge that all the uber-smart j-listers attacking Sarah Palin on her position on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae turned out to be wrong, while backwoods hick (so-described by j-listers) Sarah Palin turned out to be factually and prognostically correct.

But it's also worth it to note that Ezra never, ever conducted himself with the kind of Trig Trutherism and violent death fantasies of right winger of some of the other j-listers. Compared to most of his fellow j-listers, Ezra Klein was Walter Cronkite, Edward R. Murrow, and Tom Brokaw all rolled into one.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | July 26, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

This article fools no one. It is common knowledge that 90% of the MSM are liberals. Obama has blatantly used NBC as his mouth piece. There is no real reporting out there. They colluded to get Obama elected. Now that the country is angry with Obama's agenda, which they did not want, it is time for the left to smear any thing conservative and play the race card. Why do you think more people are watching Fox news than all the other cable networks put together? It is because their news reporting is better as well as excellent business news. The opinion shows are fair and balanced and when they slant conservative or libertarian they say so unlike the MSM which pretends to report the news but is very biased to the left. Breitbart was wrong on his web site but Fox never reported that story until she was fired. When they realized the mistake they apologized to Ms. Sharrod immediately. Racist blame from the NAACP about the Tea Party was totally wrong also. They made a mistake also and every one in the country wants the real issues discussed not this race baiting. Can we stop now?

Posted by: katie6 | July 26, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Too bad they can't just go to an alternate universe where up can be down and around can be under and leave the rest of us alone!

Posted by: SarahBB | July 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargent, you are truly pathetic

After the daily caller spends upwards of a week posting an ocean of evidence to show that the "journolist" consisted of hundreds of leftward "journalists" comparing notes and thinking up ways to manage the news, this is what you come up with as an answer? ONE instance in which the guy who put the group together says no to ONE of the strategies?

Funny, you didn't mention that, in the same article, Luke Mitchell who then was a senior editor for Harper's said "...a concerted effort on the part of the left partisan press could be useful. Why geld ourselves? A lot of the people on this list work for organizations that are far more influential than, say, the Washington Times."

And you somehow overlooked Ryan Avent of The Economist saying "If we were the GOP, we’d be taking this opportunity to shout long and loud how unprepared Palin is—‘She doesn’t even know what Fannie and Freddie are…in the middle of a housing crisis!’….That’s the difference in the game as played by us and by them.”, with Michael Tomasky of The Guardian saying “So why aren’t Dems doing that? Just wundrin’.”

Again, all of this is in the same article as Ezra Klein's comment.

In other words, to protect the Washington Post's Ezra Klein, you cherry-pick one statement of his where he declines to engage in a media conspiracy on behalf of Obama, ignore all of his other comments posted over the past week, and ignore his fellow journolistas disagreeing with him.

Too bad the journolist doesn't still exist. With "journalism" like this, you'd be on on the executive council for sure.

Posted by: kbmr | July 26, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

This column makes Mr. Sargent sound like a child. The lefties got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Be a man. Admit it. The Journolist was collusion. Worse still, they are regrouping elssewhere to continue the same behavior.

Posted by: Robert2008 | July 26, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Can we stop now?"

Haha, after a paragraph of Republican lies, you have the gall to ask if "we can stop now?"

HAHA!

NO we cannot stop now.

YOU and your religious devotion to the GOP are the reason we cannot stop now.

We must keep working to make sure that the racist Republican Southern Strategy fails.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sergant, You claim the Daily Caller is cherry picking.

Quit acting like the usual little liberal wuss then and put the entire journOlist archive online.

In other words prove your point instead of whining about the mean republicans being mean to you.

Posted by: robtr | July 26, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

The right wing propaganda machine is a well oiled, finely tuned, and highly motivated piece of..... Their methodology and use of bullying, mocking, ridiculing, distorting, and inciting their opponents into oblivion is masterful. Therefore I believe they are run by the master himself - SATAN.

Posted by: Janet1 | July 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not a crook" - Nixon

If you believe that, then Watergate never happened. So why would anyone want to believe that Ezra Klein, who was the founder of the JournOList, can somehow exonerate himself? Nothing to see here, move along, seems the Washington Post forgets that it once investigated stories. Ironically, if Nixon were president today, the Washington Post would have whitewashed Watergate, not exposed it.

Posted by: Demosthenes-V | July 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The beautiful thing is...daily Caller has ALL the archives...

I cant wait to see what nuggets of wisdom are revealed that Greg feels the need to scream "NOTHING TO SEE HERE...MOVE ALONG DAMN YOU!!!

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And whatching you libtards out there trying to spin what is self evident is truely hillarious...

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

A question regarding a conflict of interest: should anyone listed on Journolist cover the story itself or leave it to others to deal with (whether it's other writers, the Ombudsman, writers on other papers who aren't listed, whoever). Because if journalists are named and start defending themselves, they are going to come off as opinion writers or something else. I'd have the same issues if there was a conservative list and conservative writers were named and started writing about the list on which they were named.

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

robtr, wow you sure are a whiner.

Greg has repeatedly called for publishing the whole list.

Oh wait, Rush didn't tell you that? SHOCKER.

Keep thinking anything "THEY" tell you is the absolute truth...

...it's amazing that you haven't picked up the pattern of what has happened with EVERY SINGLE RIGHT WING LIE:

THEY lie,
YOU fall for it,
the facts come out,
you're all proven wrong.

Get tired of chasing windmills?

Or are you willing to be proven wrong AGAIN and AGAIN for the rest of your life?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the timely article.

As others have pointed out, this is just another of many examples of the ridiculous "gotcha journalism" carried out by the right-wingers. And they do get away with it, at least with their brainwashed followers and apparently many independents.

The thing to keep in mind is that none of the right-wing lies would go anywhere if the MSM didn't allow it. They are complicit in this travesty for a number of reasons. All the "real media" would have to do is to shoot down these lies (which is usually rather easy) and explain to their readers that these lies are a continuation of the typical republican strategy of sliming their many enemies. But the MSM is virtually silent, and even supports Fox "News", a clear embarrassment to the media's "profession". This is again why Sargent's article is so unique and important.

Posted by: dougd1 | July 26, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The liberals of this country must declare war on the right wing propagandists if we want to keep our country from going to pure facism. The two sides are hopelessly divided and will never accept each others views. We should divide the country into two and be done with each other. Eitehr that or we will have a civil war very soon.

Posted by: Janet1 | July 26, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

only a non-reporter would think (as no evidence is provided) that there is a "conservative media conspiracy".

maybe it's time that ALL bloggers be killed? they have no apparent value.

Posted by: perryrants | July 26, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

http://noisyroom.net/blog/2010/07/26/socialist-journolistas/

Posted by: liee | July 26, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Quote:

I confess: I was a card carrying member of Journolist for a little while: Greg Sargent


Game ...set...match.

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

It would be funny that the trolls here are insisting that Carlson's selected and edited emails are "the truth" about the list, if it wasn't so indicative of their ridiculously narrow and distorted view of the big universe we all share.

If TC actually had any journalistic chops, he would publish the unedited threads that include the quotes he excerpted so that everyone could actually judge for themselves if a vast left wing conspiracy to destroy democracy and steal your apple pie was really happening.

Of course, TC says "Trust Strong and me, because...well just because" and won't release the original listserv. After all, no conservative blogger would selectively edit say a video pro-porting to show racism at the USDA or aiding pimps at ACORN, would they, Breitbart?

I understand why Klein won't release the transcripts. He promised not to. But clearly TC has no such impediment. Until he does release unedited list threads that include his selective and edited quotes, this is really a non-story.

Trolls, why won't TC release the threads? And don't give me that bull about stretching out the buzz. He could just release the portions of the threads that include his excerpted quotes, so he has a segment with each "story" he posts.

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What a surprise! A member of Journolist, Greg Sargent, claims that Journolist was clean as the driven snow.

Now that's JOURNALISM, folks! Next up, the good folks from the KKK will report that they're really just misunderstood, too.

But I thought the WaPo was in full duck-and-cover mode over Journolist? Or have you changed strategies and now you want to defend it? Should we remind you that you guys called for violence against people just because they disagree with you. You called for government restrictions against other media just because they disagree with you.

You're a bunch of fascists, but hilariously you're childish petty gossipy little fascists who like playing internet tough guy but would curl up in a ball and cry for mama if you ever did face real trouble. Cowards.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | July 26, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

um ... with respect ... and of course, without having read the thread myself ... it don't take a rocket scientist to see, despite what Klein may have posted, a great many of the other posters were indeed advocating coordinating their message and even going so far as to flat out do it.

To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

Posted by: r_g_poole | July 26, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Greg -

I would compare you to a prostitute except I wouldn't want to insult the "ladies of the evening."

Posted by: brianc2221 | July 26, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Another one bites the dust.

Journolist and it's defenders are rapidly destroying whatever credibility the Washington Post has left.

At least we can assume that the President is having a pretty good. If he wasn't, I am confident that Mr. Sargent would have randomly chosen somebody to call a racist.

It is what they do.

Posted by: TECWRITE | July 26, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

@Z2: I cant wait to see what nuggets of wisdom are revealed

You prove my point. Only nuggets are released. People with a shred or integrity who promised that the list contents were off the record have an obligation to not publish the threads. TC has no such obligation. Why won't he RELEASE THE THREADS! Z2, your bias is showing, make sure to cover up...

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Is Joe Klein going to be charged with plagiarism for lifting material from Journolist or did he compensate others for his work? Did his editors know that he was relying on the assistance of 399 other people (more or less) to create or edit his material.

A question of journalistic integrity: shouldn't a writer's sole loyalty be to his employer and not others in a private, invite-only group? Public Editor's views on this? Ombudsman's views?

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that Palin is being elevated to the status of Limbaugh & co. among the right wing Mediocrocy. The more she's identified as one of the hotheads, the more out of the mainstream they all become - so she's doing God's work after all!
Keep up the good work Sarah...

Posted by: thanksforfish | July 26, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@RGP: um ... with respect ... and of course, without having read the thread myself ..

You clearly have no self respect if you take story with selected and edited snippits, and can say " a great many of the other posters were indeed advocating coordinating their message and even going so far as to flat out do it." You don't even know what % of the posters agreed or not.

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

To all these people decrying "journalistic integrity":

You people watch FOX NEWS!!!!!!!

And listen to RUSH LIMBAUGH!!!

And Glen Beck!!!

And you're concerned about "JOURNALISTIC INTEGRITY"???

Are you FOR REAL?

Could you POSSIBLY be bigger hypocrites?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"...while the J-List flap hasn't penetrated to the mainstream media"

I wonder why. You just made the left wing bias argument even more credible with that statement. Because you are all protecting your own.

Admit it, the entire "mainstream" media was in the tank for Obama with nothing but puff pieces.

Posted by: TJinCA | July 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do people assume anyone questioning journalistic integrity comes from the Right, is conservative or independent, watches Fox News, etc? These issues are going to affect everyone. That's like saying "how dare you defend this group under the Constitution, don't you know they are terrorists?" Yeah, but unless you missed it, the rules and laws have to apply to everyone. So when you threaten to shut down on channel today, tomorrow the channel that people may advocate shutting down may be one of your favorites. Come on, I thought that was Civics 101.

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

well this is completely wrong:
================
Note that a disempowered minority is not able to practice racism against the dominant group. They can harbor prejudice and discriminate against the dominant group (although that has little effect since the disempowered group generally has no resources that the dominant group hasn't already taken). But they can not be racist, because the disempowered group does not control the legislative, legal, and cultural institutions that impose racism on a group.
==========================

This is trite liberal pap and is simply not correct in our modern America. Decades of affirmative action has placed folks like Ms Sherrod in positions of significant power. What did the liberals expect?

and what about the liars on the CBC? They have been unable to prove their counter claim of N word use against the tea party, but they had NOOOOO problem hammering whitey to protect Frankie Raines during the OFHEO hearings.

Ultimately there are at least two things wrong with the above:

(1) the core assumption is that there is a "dominant group" and that dominant group is whitey. Perhaps srw3 should read Senator James "I never used the word Macaca" Webbs WSJ editorial published last friday.

(2) The assumption of "powerlessness" is flat out wrong in America today. The use of this nonsense simply proves that the liberals will never get enough. We've gotten past all that stuff but liberals don't believe it. After all, to admit that Americans are not racist would be tantamount to admitting that most of the government infrastructure that seeks to discriminate against whites in preference to blacks would no long be necessary.

And it would mean that blacks are on their own to stand and fall based on their own merits. Blacks might actually wander off the liberal plantation and take their votes with them.

Can't have that, oh no.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | July 26, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Why do people assume anyone questioning journalistic integrity comes from the Right, is conservative or independent, watches Fox News, etc?"

Read the right wing comments on this thread.

There are DOZENS of them to choose from.

How many of them are upset at the OBVIOUS lack of "journalistic integrity" at Fox News?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter, Equal Protection, Due Process, it doesn't seem to mention anything about Left vs. Right, Democratic vs. Republican. ACLU defended the Klan's rights, so be bold.

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Funny the Liberals OWN most of the media and now they want to eliminate one of the views bastions of truth - Fox news - but it won't happen and the Dems will get destroyed in the midterms and 2012 General elections. The more the Post and the liberals attack Fox news and others, the more independents and other groups flock to the GOP! Keep it up nitwits!

The desperation emiitting from the Democrats is overwhelming - they know they are finished.

Posted by: Realist201 | July 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse


Really! Really?! - I'd check the owners of various newspapers and television/radio stations before I made that blanket statement.

And, even IF, what you say is true (it's not) then how exactly do you pigeonhole FOX news? Can you say with a straight face, that the Washington Post, New York Times, etc. are biased towards liberal causes without admitting that the FOX network is slanted rightward?

Can't have it both ways...or maybe that's too REAL for you, realist?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Everyone should be concerned that all views in the media are able to be expressed without coordination behind the scenes, no matter what their political orientation. If there is coordination, people should be made aware of it so they are educated consumers of what they are hearing, reading, or watching.

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

One of the things that the Journolist conspirators were plotting was to detract attention fron the Revernd Wright story (damaging to Obama), by picking out a conservative ( "any conservative"), and accusing them of racism. In other words, a diversionary tactic. This is the same technique.
Your cohorts got caught with their pants down, so you're finding another story to divert attention. When I just googled "journolist", what automatically came up was " Breitbart journolist". The very first story that comes up is this one! I didn't google "breitbart": I googled "jounolist", and THIS is what I got! So who is that man behind the curtain?

Posted by: philagumbo108 | July 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

To: srw3

LMAO..you took me OUT OF CONTEXT..while complaining about CONTEXT...LAME...and prototypical libtard behaviour.

The full quote:

"I cant wait to see what nuggets of wisdom are revealed that Greg feels the need to scream "NOTHING TO SEE HERE...MOVE ALONG DAMN YOU!!!"

As I Stated...DC has the entire archive...and this is just the tip of the iceberg...

Thankfully...This article too has been archived for the time it disappears down the memory hole...when Gregs e-mails come to light that blow his denial right out of the water...

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The use of this nonsense simply proves that the liberals will never get enough. We've gotten past all that stuff but liberals don't believe it. After all, to admit that Americans are not racist would be tantamount to admitting that most of the government infrastructure that seeks to discriminate against whites in preference to blacks would no long be necessary.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | July 26, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

!!! To paraphrase from some dumb Adam Sandler movie - "we have now lost 20% of our IQ by just reading this"

Where do you live? Happytown, MD? Come on down to Texas, son, and I'll show you exactly how wrong that statement that you made is..probably won't even have to leave the airport.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So jcannes76,

The "journalistic integrity" of journalists' private conversations is more important to you than "journalistic integrity" of a major news channel?

That is some twisted logic.

If you had a problem with the REPORTING of these various bloggers, that would be one thing. But no. You are accusing a journalist of "plagiarism" simply because he participated on a listserv, while TOTALLY IGNORING Fox News.

Please. You are a hypocrite just like all the rest of the dittoheads.

Go ahead and decry Fox News for a lack of journalistic integrity.

Go ahead, hypocrite.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@srw3. You miss my point, but I grant you that I don't know what the % of list participants agreed with Klein. Since my only sample is the article Sargent is taking issue with, that'll have to do for now.

Frankly, I could care less what the participants of the listserv were or were not doing. *My* point is for Sargent to seize on a quote by Klein and use it to make everything else in the story go away is silly.

You have a different point: the article itself is inherently biased. If I had your point of view, I'd likely agree. But fortunately for me (and my self respect), I do give a rat's behind one way or another about what various right or left wing nuts scream at each other over the internets.

Posted by: r_g_poole | July 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Relax, I think you need to look up what a hypocrite is vs. double standard (which I think is what you meant).

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

pardon, that should be "don't give a rats behind"

Posted by: r_g_poole | July 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"Relax, I think you need to look up what a hypocrite is vs. double standard (which I think is what you meant). "

Shorter jcannes76:

"No, I will not criticize Fox News because I am a hypocrite"

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 ...

Clearly...your word of the day...hypocrite..

You may want to look it up...

Greg is blasting a conspiracy of co-ordination(from the right)....while having confessed to being part of that very thing on journolist(from the left)...

That is the very definition of hypocisy.

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Congratulations, Greg. You make me proud."

Joseph Goebbels

Posted by: brianc2221 | July 26, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The GOP and Fox noise are nothing but traitors. They don't care what happens as long as they can give tax cuts to the rich.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | July 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

@z2: Free the threads. Neither TC or you have given any reason to not release the original unedited transcripts. Until we see these its just like the ACORN video and the Sherrod video.

Here is your remark in full:

The beautiful thing is...daily Caller has ALL the archives...

I cant wait to see what nuggets of wisdom are revealed that Greg feels the need to scream "NOTHING TO SEE HERE...MOVE ALONG DAMN YOU!!!

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

And whatching you libtards out there trying to spin what is self evident is truely hillarious...

There is no context robbing from me. It's not self evident since we don't have the evidence, ie. the actual unedited portions of the transcript that TC is grabbing his nuggets from.

Exactly how did I take your comments out of context.

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

western support for apartheid israel ongoing ethnic cleansing of palestinians
exposes fake western human rights organizations, fake free media, fake advocacy of tibet/tehran human rights.

Posted by: MumboJumboo | July 26, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

COLEBRACKETT:

"The GOP and Fox noise are nothing but traitors"

Spoken like a truely useful idiot...we know what happens to traitors...

You dont simply wish to silence your political opposition....you wish you could eliminate it altogether...

I love it when the little facist peeks out from behind the liberal mask of caring , equal rights, and civility...and we get to see who hides behind the mask...

You are welcome to try to implement your "final solution"....but you will soon find out...we own all the guns...

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is such a silly piece. Sadly, the so-called right wing doesn't even have any organizations like the left has --unions, Black Panthers, and various other for-hire thugs --to call on for their dirty business. So a conspiracy? Surely you jest. The center and the right aren't that organized, sad to say. No broken windows, no fires set -- not even littering at their various public gatherings. And you have to look hard to even find out about them. No big list or underground.

And why is anything NOT in agreement with you and others of your ilk always "right-wing" rather than simply a matter of disagreement?

Citing one "journalist" who fears getting caught doing something illegal is HARDLY an argument against the existence of a left-wing conspiracy. Fear of punishment is not the same as having a solid sense of doing the right thing by one's profession.

So stop whining when you get caught.

Posted by: Beauxo | July 26, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

There must be A Liberal Media Bias, Because all the Right Wing Wind Bags That Monopolize The Airwaves, such as The Big Fat Pillbilly, tell us that their is.

They tell us that Big Lie; every day, and since they monopolize the airwaves, they are the only ones that the listeners hear. The Right Wing are a collective of Media Fascists.

Posted by: Liam-still | July 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"Greg is blasting a conspiracy of co-ordination(from the right)....while having confessed to being part of that very thing on journolist(from the left)..."

Zeitgeist2,

What the Right does is NOT a conspiracy. It is fact that they collude to produce stories at Fox News. Again, that is an INDISPUTABLE F-A-C-T.

What happened at Journolist IS a right-wing conspiracy because there is NO evidence that there actually WAS any coordination in stories.

The fact that you can't tell the difference between the two lends me to question your intellect.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"You are welcome to try to implement your "final solution"....but you will soon find out...we own all the guns..."

Zeitgeist2, I am Jewish and I take great offense at your comments.

In addition to being ignorant and blind to reality, you are an insulting piece of garbage.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO

Funny stuff, WaPo. Completely unrelated to reality, but that's what we expect from liberals.

Posted by: malclave | July 26, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow, liberals have gone completely delusional. I mean, so far gone, not even tethered to reality.

Posted by: ButterflyDragon | July 26, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh so they didnt coordinate on jourolist, they probably just started emailing each other and CCing. I mean, does anything from today's revelations give you any confidence many of the people Klein was addressing did not coordinate in the end?

you're losing credibility trying to defend this trash, greg. learn a lesson from obama: just throw em under the bus.

Posted by: dummypants | July 26, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

More insane leftism from the Post/Journolist member.

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

srw3: actually, TheDC is now releasing the "full context" of a given thread. Not the whole list, but once they've decided what story they are going to pull, they seem to be releasing the whole threat (at least, they have for the last two stories).

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | July 26, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

Ah yes...the "I'm jewish" card....as though that means anything..

I'm not jewish and take great offense to the liberal treatment of Isreal going so far as to call it an "appartied state".

How about you?

Here's a great thing about America...I dont care if you are jewish...

Yet I care if Obama sat in wright the jew hater's pew for 20 years and nodded to his vitriol heaved upon the jewish people...

The question is...why dont you?

Becuase you are a liberal first...and jewish second...if at all...

I fully support the right of Isreal to exist and of the jews to defend themselves from the palistinian rabble shooting rockets into civilian areas...

Do You?

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, liberals have gone completely delusional. I mean, so far gone, not even tethered to reality."

Says loyal Fox News/Rush Limbaugh/Glen Beck/Sean Hannity dittohead ButterflyDragon.

Hey ButterflyDragon, do you know what a fact is?

Do you understand the difference between right and wrong?

Do you understand that it is wrong to lie?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

You know conservatives are winning when liberals are forced to publish drivel like this. You are not fooling anyone, Sargent.

Posted by: TheLastBrainLeft | July 26, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Still trying to understand why Liberals love Al Queda, Hugo, Iran, etc. but are so scared of the truth coming out of Fox News. Shirley said many racially insensitive things in her speech.

Journolist is a bunch of fru-fru boys and their manly women hating on the rest of the country. Their coordination in advance of big appearances on cable channels people don't watch and magazines that no one subscribes to is fun to laugh at and I love each revelation from the Daily Caller.

Fox didn't get stimulus or TARP $. GE and MSNBC and NBC did.

WaPo is a joke. Notice how they are jeopardizing national security and don't seem to mind?

Posted by: Cornell1984 | July 26, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

BTW..the NEW journolist is called "cabalist"..

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2010/07/meet-the-new-journolist-smaller-than-the-old-journolist/60159/

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it must really irk the left that they got caught with their pants down. Ezra Klein telling the journolisters that the list should remain a discussion site is like the father telling the teenager there is no drinking while he stays at home alone for the weekend. Do the left really think they can merely deny the truth and it is no longer the truth? I watch this administration and it would seem so.

Posted by: allstonians02134 | July 26, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"The GOP and Fox noise are nothing but traitors. They don't care what happens as long as they can give tax cuts to the rich."

Whose rich? Anyone who pays taxes? How many jobs do the "poor" create. Read a book on economics. You have to have capital to create wealth.

BTW, to the idiot who compared Fox to McCarthy. McCarthy was correct and it was proven when documents were released by the former Soviets but the facts get in the way don't they?

Just because the right doesn't want to repeat the communist mistake doesn't make them wrong or evil, just realistic.

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Hum, we all know what went on during the campaign. You can't change that. The people on journolist are unethical and no one should believe them or the people taking up for them.

Posted by: Tinker-Thinker | July 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Seriously? You're actually attempting to spin this into a conservative conspiracy...hahahah

Posted by: jtmuz | July 26, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

[In other words, the headline on this story could have been: "J-List founder ruled out conspiracy."]

Or it could have been "J-List founder says don't TALK ABOUT 'coordinaton' - because that may be illegal; instead, 'discuss'."

See? "Discuss". Isn't that better?

Posted by: rvastar | July 26, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The coordination of leftist journlists to invent means to actively campaign for Obama and against McCain/Palin, and to put such coordinations into effect within their given publications, is wrong. You can say it was just a "think tank", you can say it was just "bar-room political speak", but that would mean that such conpsiring was only limited to the discussion of it. Journolisters combined efforts to produce a constant, effective drum beat against "their" opponents.
Just read the complete postings on Daily Caller regarding what to do with the sicko DailyKos story that Trig was not Palin's son. Every other word is "we"..We should do this, we shouldn't do that. Besides being unethical, I find most of these journolisters to be immature and ignorant. Except Ezra Klein..he at least tried to keep it in the realm of decency.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/26/raw-journolist-emails-on-palins-downs-child/

Posted by: JanMet | July 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Zeitgeist2,

YOU used the words FINAL SOLUTION, not me.

Screw you hatemonger.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"go ahead and decry Fox News for a lack of journalistic integrity."

Which would be??? You mean like Rathergate? or Trutherism? or Van Jones? or the firing of Sherrod? or Trig Palin? or not knowing about the Black Panthers intimidating voters?

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty clear now Greg, you are on journolist. hahahahaha

Posted by: Tinker-Thinker | July 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Zeitgeist2 is the perfect example of a Republican.

Rant about "fascism" and the "final solution" and when he is called out for such hate speech by someone who is Jewish, ATTACK THEM.

Such hate and arrogance has NO PLACE in an intellectual discussion. Zeitgest2 and all the hypocrites who defend Fox News and the racist Republican agenda embody the worst of America.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Gotcha - You were on the list, and Klein says there was no coordination, and you guys should know. That clears it all up.

Posted by: metson | July 26, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

@skipsailing28 : There is nothing to say to someone who refuses to see what is in front of their eyes every day.

If you don't accept the common and widely held definition of racism from the sociological literature on the subject, what is the point of addressing the other plainly false statements you made?

" the core assumption is that there is a "dominant group" and that dominant group is whitey [sic]."

Look at the world around you. Corporate boards, legislatures, etc., all of the levers of power in the US are dominated by white (overwhelming male) people. Blacks and other racial minorities are far underrepresented given their numbers in society. If all is equal as you say, then what explains the continued underrepresentation?

OTOH, prisons are overwhelmingly populated by minorities far in excess of their numbers in the population. Either, minorities are more violent and criminal than whites or some other mechanism is working to incarcerate minorities.

"We've gotten past all that stuff but liberals don't believe it."

Right. Get out of your basement and talk to actual people of color.

Why is it that your chance of getting the death penalty is much higher if you kill a white person than if you kill a black person. Why do blacks get longer sentences for the same crimes?

The statistics are there. You choose to ignore them.

"In these experiments,
typically referred to as audit studies,
researchers carefully select, match, and train individuals
(called testers) to play the part of a
job/apartment-seeker or consumer. By presenting
equally qualified individuals who differ only
by race or ethnicity, researchers can assess the
degree to which racial considerations affect access
to opportunities. Audit studies have documented
strong evidence of discrimination in
the context of employment (for a review, see
Pager 2007a), housing searches (Yinger 1995),
car sales (Ayres & Siegelman 1995), applications
for insurance(Wissoker et al. 1998), home
mortgages (Turner&Skidmore 1999), the provision
of medical care (Schulman et al. 1999),
and even in hailing taxis (Ridley et al. 1989).

For example, in a study
by Bertrand & Mullainathan (2004), the researchers
mailed equivalent resumes to employers
in Boston and Chicago using racially
identifiable names to signal race (for example,
names like Jamal and Lakisha signaled African
Americans, while Brad and Emily were associated
with whites).2 White names triggered a callback rate that was 50% higher than that of
equally qualified black applicants. Further, their
study indicated that improving the qualifications
of applicants benefited white applicants
but not blacks, thus leading to a wider racial gap
in response rates for those with higher skill.

see http://www.princeton.edu/~pager/annualreview_discrimination.pdf

Ready for your dismissal of egghead studies...

You choose to remain willfully ignorant.

It is typical (not determinative) of a racist attitude, to ignore the effect of racism on minorities.

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Such hate and arrogance has NO PLACE in an intellectual discussion. Zeitgest2 and all the hypocrites who defend Fox News and the racist Republican agenda embody the worst of America.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Such hate and ignorance of truth embody the worst of you.

How dare you cast all people who believe in limited government as racist. You gave you the power to see into a person's heart to know of their true beliefs?

Such stereotyping for purely political means is despciable. And you make any thoughtful policy argument you may put forward worthless, because you come to the discussion tainted with hatred and ignorance.

Posted by: JanMet | July 26, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Please stop calling people racists. You have no idea what race people on here are, what they've done in their lives, or what they have sacrificed to do those things for themselves and others. Don't call people traitors (I know people of all political backgrounds would OBJECT GREATLY to that word being tossed out there) and don't bash them. Stick to the arguments based on this thread alone regarding possible media bias, coordination, etc. and arguments based on that. Thanks.

Posted by: jcannes76 | July 26, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@JM: Just read the complete postings on Daily Caller

I would if there were any. TC won't release the full threads because he is scared that his selective use of quotes to push his right wing memes would be exposed.

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse


Slamming Fox News is really slamming a lot of people who watch Fox News, many more people then those few who watch CNN, MSNBC, etc.

Obama wants to shut down the Internet; all of a sudden, someone floats 'classified' information on the Internet - cause for a shut down?

Obama wants to shut down opposition voices - true Communistic point of view.

Obama hates Fox News; all of a sudden, Journolist's unprofessional hanger's on all go hysterical about Fox News in the media, all at the same time, all in one voice. Pathetic.

Why aren't the people who follow Obama with such fervor afraid of the path he's taking them down, down, down. It it because it's the path of least resistance? Or, are these individuals mindless and incapable of thinking on their own?

Who knows, but there is a wall ahead of these Obama followers, so put your crash helmets on, folks.

Posted by: prossers7 | July 26, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Agenda is RACIST. PERIOD.

And on top of that, today alone I have been insulted by a Right Winger who used Nazi-inspired rhetoric, then attacked for standing up for people in my religion.

JanMet, jcannes76, SCREW YOU defenders of racism and bigotry.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

@ haunches : McCarthy was correct

The black lists were a completely legal and ethical way to weed out subversives. Pete Seeger and John Henry Falk were dangerous communists plotting...??? The screen writers who had to have their work put under other peoples names were plotting...???

Saying that there probably were some soviet operatives in the US is not equivalent to "McCarthy was right."

Well we can ignore this troll starting now...

Posted by: srw3 | July 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

Hey ButterflyDragon, do you know what a fact is?

Do you understand the difference between right and wrong?

Do you understand that it is wrong to lie?

---------------------

Right back at you...LIAR.

I never defended Fox news...not once....go back and look...

I also noticed you dodged every question relating to the right of Isreal to exist and defend itself...while claiming to be jewish..

Then you spew invectives when backed into a corner...

Typical little lying libtard...squeal like a rat caught in a trap of your own making...


Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ethan2010

I have no idea whether or not you are Jewish. And I have no idea what that has to do with anything, other than a clumsy attempt on your part to bait people into saying something negative about Jews (much as the CBC members intentionally walked through the Tea Party crowd to bait them into saying something racist - which no one did).

How about sticking to issues, instead of trying sophomoric debating tricks that are about as stale as a Nelson Eddy-Jeanette McDonald duet.

Posted by: kbmr | July 26, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Agenda is RACIST. PERIOD.

And on top of that, today alone I have been insulted by a Right Winger who used Nazi-inspired rhetoric, then attacked for standing up for people in my religion.

JanMet, jcannes76, SCREW YOU defenders of racism and bigotry.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:48 PM


Lets see you stand up for Isreal...c'mon...you can do it...

Stop dodging and trying to play the victim card while spewing invectives...

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

My opinion of the media seems to be confirmed by the revelations from journolist. It seems that news stories are driven by twenty-something’s with juvenile attitudes. I don't see much wisdom displayed by the jurnolisters or frankly from the White House or Congress. Frivolous charges of Racism, using positions in the media to promote only one political party over another, coordinating personal attacks on opponents, trying to destroy people with opposing views by any means necessary does not make these professionals look very professional.

Posted by: peakbagger | July 26, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"I also noticed you dodged every question relating to the right of Isreal to exist and defend itself...while claiming to be jewish.."

What the fk is "ISREAL" you ignorant hatemonger?

Go back to your hole, scum.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 is your typical Daily Kos/Media Matters devotee - he has an IQ below room temperature and thinks that "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST" is a valid argument. Truth be told, Ethan is just another liberal bigot. He prefers to believe his own stereotypes about an entire class of people (conservatives) rather than actually listen to the facts. There's quite a few liberal bigots out there and none of them are worth giving attention to.

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

New Conservative Media attempt at honesty with their new motto.

"That's Right We Make This Sh!+ Up What R U Gonna Do About It?"

Posted by: 1FLWB2 | July 26, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I love these liberal definitions of racism that are floated up above. By these definitions, pretty much anything that a white guy does is racist, which is absurd. Can we get back to the realm of reason here somewhere and actually admit it's possible for people of all colors not to be racist?

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

kbmr,

This is what Zeitgest the hatemonger said:

"""I love it when the little facist peeks out from behind the liberal mask of caring , equal rights, and civility...and we get to see who hides behind the mask... You are welcome to try to implement your "final solution"....but you will soon find out...we own all the guns..."""

See, he called liberals "fascist" and then said we are going to try to implement our "final solution"...

CLEARLY a reference to the Holocaust.

I called him out on that because I find that to be utterly offensive.

And you, kbmr... Who the fk are YOU to tell me how to feel about the Holocaust? If YOU had any decency at all, YOU would object to anyone using the words "final solution" too, because it refers to a time when more than 6 MILLION of my brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents and grandchildren were MASS MURDERED.

But no.

Gotta attack the Jew for standing up to the right's use of Holocaust lingo.

Heckuva job kbmr, heckuva job Republican Party: defender of all that is wrong in the world.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Agenda is RACIST. PERIOD.

Posted by: Ethan2010

Your stating it does not make it true. Care to offer any examples, be specific mind you, of what makes the republican agenda racist?

Posted by: JanMet | July 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

All, come over and comment on this:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/dems_underestimate_gop_strateg.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

chemjeff,

The Republican Party has a RACIST AGENDA.

PERIOD.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and to all those people who think Tucker Carlson should just post all of the unedited JournoList emails:

First, if he did do that, you all would have an even bigger fit, screaming "invasion of privacy! invasion of privacy!!!!" when the emails came out that discussed personal, non-political matters, such as the sexual exploits of New Republic staffers.

Second, if TC is so inaccurate, why doesn't any of the JournoListers (Greg Sargent, maybe?) post the corrected record? There were 400 of them after all.

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"Care to offer any examples, be specific mind you, of what makes the republican agenda racist?"

The Southern Strategy. Look it up.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"I also noticed you dodged every question relating to the right of Isreal to exist and defend itself...while claiming to be jewish.."

What the fk is "ISREAL" you ignorant hatemonger?

Go back to your hole, scum.

Posted by: Ethan2010


Oops...is called a typo...try Israel.

Now go ahead...defend the right of Israel to exist and defend themselves from palistinian terrorists..

I'll be waiting...try it without spewing invectives or using the word "zionist"..

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"

chemjeff,

The Republican Party has a RACIST AGENDA.

PERIOD.
"

Translation: YOU ARE A DOODY-HEAD.

Wow, that's intelligent!

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Possers7 wrote: "Slamming Fox News is really slamming a lot of people who watch Fox News, many more people then those few who watch CNN, MSNBC, etc."

Actually the numbers on Fox is down by 6%. Maybe their viewers couldn't find their remotes. And yes Fox does have a larger viewership than CNN or MSNBC. But think abut this. All of the people who watch Fox are only about a million or so. But there's about 350 miilion Americans. So they are actually a Minority. Everybody else is spread across all of the other channels.

At least when the very feeble minded conservatives are watching Glenn Beck we know where they all are. (Putting all their gold in envelopes to mail in...)

Posted by: 1FLWB2 | July 26, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

srw3 provides absolute nonsense.
We've been at affirmative action for decades pal. Why hasn't it worked?

We've been at the great society transfer payment schemes for generations pal. Why haven't they worked?

The simple fact is that most of that affirmative action stuff was and remains focused on government jobs. That's where the liberals get their power. Ms Sherrod held a pretty powerful position. So spare me the nonsense.

And yeah, let's talk about the prison population for a moment. Of course you want to blame whitey because in your guilt ridden mind it must be the white man's fault.

But the data gives the lie to this. Currently about 70% of all black babies are born to single moms. About 50% of the jail population came from single mom homes.

Young men need the guidance and good example of older men. Where are the good black men pal?

And why are black men 26 times more likely to be murdered than white men? And it ain't whitey doing lynchings. It is black people killing each other. The data is out there.

Instead of blaming whitey, which is the Otis Moss/jeremiah Wright/black liberation theology approach, the blacks have to gain control of their own culture. The liberal policies got them isolated in the ghetto. In America we have two choices: assimilate to the dominant culture or leave. The natives have their reservations. Thanks to idiot liberal policies the blacks have the ghetto.

I'm sure they're thanking thoughtless guys like you each and everyday.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | July 26, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"""Oops...is called a typo...try Israel."""

Actually, you called it "ISREAL" 4 times.

FOUR times.

That is not a typo. It is plain ignorance. Ya hear that Zeitgeist2? IGNORANCE. YOU are IGNORANT.

I will not respond to anything you say until you APOLOGIZE for using the phrase "final solution" and for implying that Democrats -- like myself, a JEW -- are fascist.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Uhoh, Ethan is all outragedly outraged. Time for his nap.

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"The liberal policies got them isolated in the ghetto. "

Really? You don't think many ghettos were the result of them being pushed into neighborhoods because of fear of repercussions of moving into a predominantly white neighborhood?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

the left and the right have both gone off the deep end. i was a dem for 20plus years. no longer. the fringes are taking over both parties and now they both stink to high heaven. all career politicians OUT.

Posted by: bruce30 | July 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice try but no cigar this time. What's amazing, when you read some of the postings, is how much of it actually happened. Like shutting out Fox News, Obama forced the issue by saying he wouldn't participate in any debates that were on Fox News.

How about the way Sarah Palin was trashed? Every LSM media outlet participated, in one way or another. Many of the suggested strategies were those that were actually used.

Finally, Obama was never vetted. The last tough question he got was in the debate that the Journolist people were all exercised about. I can't believe no news organization wanted to ask a tough question or 2. If not, then we have no news organizations any more.

As Roger Hedgecock says, the media wing of the Democratic Party and these e-mails prove it.

Posted by: bflat879 | July 26, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


Please help me! Do I read Washington Post or Josef Goebbels and Stalinist "Pravda." The Big Lies

We cannot have a rational and civilized discussion with Greg Sargents and his ilks. Their cynicism and dishonesty have no borders. They shall be despised and ignored.

Posted by: BarbaraLeese | July 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"How about the way Sarah Palin was trashed?"

I'm sorry but she came across as a complete dunce. She brought on the criticism herself by not preparing for anything and thinking her folksiness could get her out of taking anything seriously.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow!! You are a genius! Ezra said it didn't happen and shouldn't happen so it didn't happen. You must have gone to Harvard to be so astute.

Move along folks. No story here. Greg has made that perfectly clear.

Posted by: aloysius1 | July 26, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010

One can easily make the argument that the Democratic agenda, which tends to foster a reliance on government by the lower economic classes (who I contend are disproportionately minority) is inherently more "racist" than the Republican agenda which rewards self reliance.

Posted by: r_g_poole | July 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"Every LSM media outlet participated, in one way or another."

Maybe because, ummmm, Sarah Palin is OBVIOUSLY an idiot?

What newspapers do you read?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

While everyone bickers over peanuts, herein lies the real problem:

• 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.
• 61 percent of Americans “always or usually” live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.
• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.
• 36 percent of Americans say that they don’t contribute anything to retirement savings.
• A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.
• 24 percent of American workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age in the past year.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008.
• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.
• In 1950, the ratio of the average executive’s paycheck to the average worker’s paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.
• As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
• Average Wall Street bonuses for 2009 were up 17 percent when compared with 2008.
• In the United States, the average federal worker now earns 60% MORE than the average worker in the private sector.
• The top 1 percent of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America’s corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.
• In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.
• More than 40 percent of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.
• or the first time in U.S. history, more than 40 million Americans are on food stamps, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011.
• This is what American workers now must compete against: in China a garment worker makes approximately 86 cents an hour and in Cambodia a garment worker makes approximately 22 cents an hour.
• Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010 – the highest rate in 20 years.
• Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
• The top 10 percent of Americans now earn around 50 percent of our national income.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The Southern Strategy. Look it up.

Posted by: Ethan2010


You do realize this is 2010 and not the 1960's, right?

Also, the New York Times had a very interesting article stating that the southern strategy was a MYTH. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/magazine/10Section2b.t-4.html?_r=1

I'll rephrase the question to make it a little easier on you:
Can you name one CURRENT SPECIFIC republican plan, agenda, or ideal that is racist?

Posted by: JanMet | July 26, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

JanMet, you're absolutely right. That one opinion article disproves Republicans and conservative operatives and strategists ever used race as an electoral strategy.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

r_g_poole: "One can easily make the argument that the Democratic agenda, which tends to foster a reliance on government by the lower economic classes"

Okay, go ahead and make that argument using provable facts. You said you could EASILY make that argument. GO RIGHT AHEAD!

And given that you intend to make that argument in an intellectually honest fashion, I'm SURE you will note the vast improvement in economic and social standing that the African-American community has experienced since Civil Rights Era. In 1960 only 20% of the black population graduated High School. In 2006 that percentage for African-Americans age 25 and 29 was 86%. The black middle class has grown extensively during the last five decades, during which African-Americans have voted almost exclusively Democratic.

So, go on now. Make your "easy" case that the "Democratic Agenda" is racist. Go ahead.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sargent's post is the dumbest thing I've read today. The WaPo is deteriorating rapidly.

Posted by: ThisIsReality | July 26, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

HA HA what a joke of a journalist or is it journolist? I didn't think you could be as dumb as you appear in your photo but congratulations on proving me wrong.

A former member of the list charging that it's all a right wing conspiracy. Give me a break. And there was no conspiracy because Ezra said so. Great argument. You read the rest of the posts in that article?

Face it a bunch of smug a-holes conspired to steer public opinion, lied about and disparaged people they disagreed with politically and broke all ethical boundries of their profession. Own it. Embrace it. Be proud of it.

Posted by: gbrum123 | July 26, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

oh and srw3, one more nail in your racist coffin.

Have you seen the espenshade/radford study of college admissions? It is fact based and quite daming. Webb got it right.

Here's a snippet, just for you.
this is from a review of the book. the address is this:
http://www.mindingthecampus.com/originals/2010/07/how_diversity_punishes_asians.html

and from that site:
"The box students checked off on the racial question on their application was thus shown to have an extraordinary effect on a student's chances of gaining admission to the highly competitive private schools in the NSCE database. To have the same chances of gaining admission as a black student with an SAT score of 1100, an Hispanic student otherwise equally matched in background characteristics would have to have a 1230, a white student a 1410, and an Asian student a 1550. Here the Espenshade/Radford results are consistent with other studies, including those of William Bowen and Derek Bok in their book The Shape of the River, though they go beyond this influential study in showing both the substantial Hispanic admissions advantage and the huge admissions penalty suffered by Asian applicants. Although all highly competitive colleges and universities will deny that they have racial quotas -- either minimum quotas or ceiling quotas -- the huge boosts they give to the lower-achieving black and Hispanic applicants, and the admissions penalties they extract from their higher-achieving Asian applicants, clearly suggest otherwise."

Whites and others are routinely discriminated against. Liberals cling to their decades old "understanding" of the way things are without even bothering to understand how their own policies have changed society.

That's why I ask when affirmative action will succeed. That's why I ask when welfare will work.

Liberals, it seems to me, visualize America as it was quite some time ago. They are trying to solve the old problems and not the new ones. And it easy to understand why. by and large they created the new problems via their idiotic social engineering.


Posted by: skipsailing28 | July 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"• 83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people."

Not a problem. I don't care how much money Bill Gates or Warren Buffett has. Why do you?

"• 61 percent of Americans “always or usually” live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007."

Gee, that's weird - in a bad economy, people's personal finances get worse. Who woulda thunk it? When the jobs return, so will people's personal finances.

"• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans."

I don't care. See above.

"• 36 percent of Americans say that they don’t contribute anything to retirement savings.
• A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement."

Why should anyone save for retirement - won't Uncle Sugar Daddy save them? This is typical Baby Boomer entitlement mentality - spend now and don't save a dime and count on government to take care of you.

"• 24 percent of American workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age in the past year.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008."

Bad economy, etc. See above.

"• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975."

I don't understand this one - please elaborate.

"• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together."

Yeah that's what happens when a housing bubble bursts. No surprise there.

And the rest of your bullets are just class warfare nonsense. Honestly, why do you care how much money the rich have? Do you feel some sort of entitlement to it? Do you think the only reason they got rich was by extorting you out of your money? This is liberal greed, plain and simple. It is ironic that so many liberals accuse conservatives of being greedy SOBs, when it's liberal tax policy which represents the very embodiment of greed - take money from the rich just because they have it!

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

So if I understand you, Greg, you are saying that there is not a vast left wing conspiracy because the conspirators say so. Is that about right?

Wouldn't be much of a conspiracy if they just admitted it when caught. Anyone could tell you that.

Posted by: jbianco28 | July 26, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

JanMet:

"""Republican candidates often have prospered by ignoring black voters and even by exploiting racial tensions," and, "by the '70s and into the '80s and '90s, the Democratic Party solidified its gains in the African-American community, and we Republicans did not effectively reach out. Some Republicans gave up on winning the African-American vote, looking the other way or trying to benefit politically from racial polarization."""

~ RNC chairman Ken Mehlman, 2004

They have never stopped using this strategy.

All you have to do is look at who the Right targets.

"SCARY" BLACK PEOPLE: Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod, NBPP, NAACP, Skip Gates, on and on and on.

The Republican Party has a RACIST AGENDA.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Ethan, you've lost your binky again. Time to climb back into your crib.

Posted by: chemjeff | July 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Right-wing controlling the media? Seriously? We've got like three, you lefties have dozens. And yet somehow we control you. I'll admit it - we're geniuses, and we control everything. And we're getting stronger.

Right now we're working on controlling your thoughts, so you better watch out. We might decide to make you into screaming, drooling crazies next. Oh, wait......

Posted by: Squiggy1 | July 26, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

ethan2010

If I had any doubt at all that you're trolling the room, I don't anymore.

Personally, I have my doubts you're even Jewish. You're working too hard at wearing it on your sleeve - that's people do when they're playing let's-pretend.

And before you whine out your next trolling attempt, be aware that, whatever you are or aren't, I AM Jewish.

And I resent people like you, who invoke Judaism as a diversionary tactic to, in this case, bait people into talking about something other than the shameful, inexcusable existence of the journolist.

Posted by: kbmr | July 26, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Teen Idol Ezra says no to working toward a common goal and leftist media attack dogs bow in subservience.... Is that your argument? The Wright story goes by the wayside with barely a glance from the old tired media and it's all coincidence? I am so glad you cleared it all up.....

Yeah Greg you and your Journolisters...lol....should be so proud of your ability to keep yourselves in line and obey the Boy Wonder Ezra..... milk and cookies anyone?

Posted by: dartagnansblade | July 26, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Ethan201:-

I will not respond to anything you say until you APOLOGIZE for using the phrase "final solution" and for implying that Democrats -- like myself, a JEW -- are fascist.

----------------------------

Well that IS good news...as it means you will never respond to me again...

Have a nice day you little facist bombthrower...

The jew who couldnt defend Israel from terrorists...

Remember...if you EVER respond to me..you are a flat out LIAR too..

Posted by: Zeitgeist2 | July 26, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

kbmr:

"""whatever you are or aren't, I AM Jewish."""

And a Right Winger suggesting that the Dems are fascist and have a "final solution" doesn't bother you?

If it doesn't, it should.

Either that or you're lying that you are Jewish.

"""bait people into talking about something"""

Hahaha!

How does DEFENDING myself from hate speech amount to "baiting" people?

You are delusional, kbmr. Truly off your rocker.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010

I would argue that the Democratic agenda is more "racist" not on the basis of results, but rather on the considerations given to the individuals, particularly the poorer folks who, as I mentioned before are disproportionately minority.

The overall spirit of the welfare mentality as executed seems to be rooted in the supposition that these people of lower means cannot improve themselves, that government must do it for them. In other words, they are inferior. That, to me, is racist.

Posted by: r_g_poole | July 26, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This one's for you, too kbmr:

"Have a nice day you little facist bombthrower..."

From your friend who I "baited," the hatemonger and racist, Zeitgeist2, who suggested that the Dems have a "final solution."

Good luck sorting that out kbmr, fool.

Somehow I'm sure it's my fault for "baiting" him into calling me a "little facist" [sic] and for not defending "Isreal" [sic].

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!

Liberalism truly is a mental disorder (the evidence here speaks for itself).

Sherrod blatantly showed she is a racist (racism IS the heart of the Democratic Party) with her claim that "Now, we endured 8 yrs. of the Bush's and we didn't do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black president."

Talk about living in cuckoo-land!

All the vehement opposition, the 'kill Bush', Bush/Hitler, war-criminal, etc, etc., etc. signs (love the extravagant, hand-crafted guillotine and mock Bush being decapitated at rallies), and endless incendiary comments are just a figment of one's imagination.

But now, the racists liberals simply label anyone who opposes the DISASTROUS Obama policies a racist.

Of course, conspiring to divert attention away from the disastrous Obama by calling Republicans racists is right there in the revealed Journolist!

Even the racist NAACP simply made things up in their condemnation of th Tea Party (their lies being the very reason Breitbart hit back).

And someone needs to tell racist Shirl that neither Breitbart nor any Republican wants to go back to the days of slavery because, well, we ALREADY have the racist Dems in control and that's what we want to change.

The blacks who HAVE fled the shackles of slavery are Republicans. The rest continue to reside on the Democratic Plantation.

Posted by: chibay | July 26, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

chemjeff, the point of those stats is to show how this countries working middle class is deteriorating and how more are being driven down into poverty.

As much as you might hate them, unions were responsible for bringing up wages of the working class and brought untold millions out of poverty. We remained a competitive country and outperformed everyone globally, that was until U.S. companies decided to undercut each other and start shifting jobs overseas. It wasn't really any fault of their own. Once the giants like Walmart started, they had no other option but to either shift their jobs overseas or go under.

Either international labor standards have to be addressed and both Democrats and Republicans have to put the partisan crap behind them or we continue this downward spiral where more labor is outsourced and we continue to pull down wages of American's.

It's getting ugly out there and all this other crap is stupid trivial crap.

And no, I'm not anti rich but when they are the only ones getting somewhere, what it tells me is that the playing field isn't even. The rules have shifted too much to benefit the business leaders and the investment class while labor suffers.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | July 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Shorter Greg Sargent:

"2+2=5! I know this because my former boss, Josh Marshall is also a JournoLister and he isn't a low down political hack who conspires to smear and create negative memes against Conservatives."

How many left-wing hack bloggers does the Washington Post employ for crying out loud? Look how incestuous all these far-left crackpots are.

Sargeant doesn't have the standing to comment on the JournoList in a non-partisan way since most of his friends and employers were members. Half of them probably told him what to write in this partisan article.

Posted by: OxyCon | July 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Shorter r_g_poole:

I have zero evidence that the Dem Agenda is "racist."

Nice. Way to "easily" prove your point by leaving out facts! Hilarious. Unfortunately, that strategy of "leaving out facts" is the Republican Party's only way of participating in "debate." It is intellectually dishonest and, bottom line, amounts to a political scam.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaay funny!! Sooo. . . one line from one person saying don't conspire is all it takes for this idiot Leftie to then believe there is nothing but pure thought and kindness. WOW! Talk about cherry picking to make yourself sound completely innocent of collusion.
Now go read what was said AFTER Ezra chimed in!

The real story here is:
LIBERALS LIE!!

Now how about Liberals all LYING about Fox News airing the Sherrod vid , when they did not . . . . because Obama Screwed up and Fired the woman for being a racist because he Thought Fox New was going to show it.
By the way, turns out Sherrod IS A RACIST. Just watch the rest of her vid! And pay attention to what she has said on all of the interviews.
Anyone wonder WHY she was not on any more Liberal news outlets this weekend?? They all know she is a walking disaster for them!

Posted by: momoski33 | July 26, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"Journolist flap shows conservative media conspiracy, not liberal one"

ROTFL! Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more.

Posted by: jweaks | July 26, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

So if I understand you, Greg, you are saying that there is not a vast left wing conspiracy because the conspirators say so. Is that about right?

Wouldn't be much of a conspiracy if they just admitted it when caught. Anyone could tell you that.

Posted by: jbianco28

---------

Ya notice that too?

Remember the first far-left meme they created to try to cover their butts over this JournoList controversy?

It goes something like this "Surprise, far-left Liberals all think the alike...nothing to see here...move along".

Now this new attempt at spin basically goes "I know you are, but what am I".

Pathetic!

Posted by: OxyCon | July 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

chibay,

You seem SO CONCERNED about racism against African-Americans!!!

What would you have the Republican Party do to support African-American communities?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

moving on from the troll....

Just asking: If a group comprised of right wing, Republican-supporting "journalists" had been uncovered, and a week's worth of articles were published in which they clearly were conspiring with each other to manipulate the news, do you think mainstream media would have spent that week zelously protecting the group's members and making sure that this information did not see the light of day?

Me neither.

Then they wonder why people call them biased....

Posted by: kbmr | July 26, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength and Journolist is proof of a Conservative Media Conspiracy.

Oh my! This would be funny if it wasn't so glibly deceptive.

Posted by: fallenstar2005 | July 26, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

kbmr, the MSM doesn't even talk about Fox News!

And that is not just some conspiracy, but it is a known fact that the network's reporting often bears NO RESEMBLANCE to fact. You can flip on that channel ANY DAY OF THE WEEK and hear non-stop fact-free conspiracies against Obama.

There is nothing even REMOTELY as irresponsible as Fox News anywhere else in the mainstream media. And yet, for the most part, the MSM is totally silent about Fox News' relentless onslaught of lies.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"If a group comprised of right wing, Republican-supporting "journalists" had been uncovered, and a week's worth of articles were published"

Again, that is just an INCREDIBLE statement when you put it up against the fact of what Fox News IS ALL ABOUT.

Sean Hannity
Glen Beck
Bill O'Reilly
Greta van Susteren
on and on and on...

Do you honestly think, kbmr, that these people DO NOT collude on pro-Republican stories?

Does it not matter to you at all that the stories they publish have a pro-GOP bent and yet they are called Fox "NEWS"?

Does it not matter that they have produced pro-Republican programming EVERY SINGLE DAY since the network's inception more than a DECADE ago?

I mean, cmon. Are you for real?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll avoid directly talking to the troll and point out that the Fox News prime time lineup is comprised of commentators, not hard-news reporters. I no more expect them to be journalistically neutral than I expect it of the hard-left prime-time lineup at MSNBC.

Consider that the last comment I will make, even third-person, to this obvious troll.

Posted by: kbmr | July 26, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"conservative media conspiracy, not liberal one"

Yeah, and Poland attacked Germany.

Posted by: DesScorp | July 26, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

All, Senate Republicans want hearings into New Black Panther story:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/07/flashback_senate_gop_already_p.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 26, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Fox News prime time lineup is comprised of commentators"

HAHA!

And what do you think Ezra Klein, Greg Sargent, and the vast majority of Journolist members are?

I'll give you a hint: *NOT* HARD JOURNALISTS!

They're almost ALL bloggers and commentators, ala Sean Hannity, et al!

This is the description of Ezra's blog on the blog's About page:

"Ezra Klein writes an opinionated blog on economic policy, collapsing banks, cap and trade, health care reform and pretty much anything else you can attach a chart to. His blog points to the hottest policy ideas on the Web and provides his own up-to-the-minute take."

Okay?

*NOT* hard journalism.

WAKE UP!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

"Ezra Klein of the Washington Post, the founder of Journolist, quickly jumped in: "Nope, no message coordination. I'm not even sure that would be legal. This is a discussion list, though, and I want it to retain that character," he wrote."

Oh please Buckie!
I’m not that stupid, perhaps you are that stupid, the point of this list was coordination of the message.

Seriously Buckie!, jails/prisons are full of folks who did nothing wrong or illegal, just ask the inmates.


“Full disclosure: I was associated with J-List myself”

Great! So please explain how the bogus “Palin Yahoo e-mail for government business” made the leap from left wing nutcase site “Mother Jones” to “Main stream Media” like the “Washington Post”?

Could it be?

Ezra Klein – Washington Post, Newsweek, The American Prospect
Dave Weigel – Washington Post, MSNBC, The Washington Independent
Greg Sargent – Washington Post
Alec McGillis – Washington Post
Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones
David Corn – Mother Jones Nick Baumann – Mother Jones Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones Laura Rozen – Politico, Mother Jones

Collusion?

Posted by: dschoen1 | July 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Ezra Klein – Washington Post, Newsweek, The American Prospect
Dave Weigel – Washington Post, MSNBC, The Washington Independent
Greg Sargent – Washington Post
Alec McGillis – Washington Post
Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones
David Corn – Mother Jones Nick Baumann – Mother Jones Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones Laura Rozen – Politico, Mother Jones

= POLITICAL COMMENTARY

Sean Hannity - Fox News
Glen Beck - Fox News
Bill O'Reilly - Fox News
Greta van Susteren - Fox News
Steve Doocy - Fox News
Brit Hume - Fox News
Gretchen Carlson - Fox News
Chris Wallace - Fox News

= POLITICAL COMMENTARY

WHAT'S YOUR POINT?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

This is going to blow the mind of you lefty marxists but Fox isn't right wing, it's just not completely in the tank for the far far left. For example, noting that Obama was pals with terrorist Bill Ayres is a fact but went unreported in the in the tank lefty media. You get a clue.

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

Empowering the individual, NOT the state.

Creating dependence on the state does NOT empower individuals. It robs individuals of personal responsibility, thus destroying the human spirit and the power of personal achievement and pride in self.

Posted by: chibay | July 26, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"Does it not matter that they have produced pro-Republican programming EVERY SINGLE DAY since the network's inception more than a DECADE ago?"

Does it not matter that CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, the Washington Post, the LA Times, The Chicago Tribune, etc. etc. have produced pro-leftist programming and propaganda EVERY SINGLE DAY for at least 35 years?

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Empowering the individual, NOT the state."

So, in other words, you wouldn't help the African-American community at all. You would remove the social safety net of public programs that has contributed to the growth of the black middle class, making them poorer and more miserable like they were before Civil Rights.

Gotcha.

Have you ever stopped to think for just ONE SECOND that the policies you prescribe for the African-American community have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED BY THAT COMMUNITY FOR DECADES?

Guess not.

Well... Thank you for answering my question honestly, at least there's that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Does it not matter that CBS, NBC, ABC, NYT, the Washington Post, the LA Times, The Chicago Tribune, etc. etc. have produced pro-leftist programming"

Hahaha! I forgot. Regardless of the facts, anything that isn't a Fox News conspiracy is "pro-leftist". I have to remind myself that people like you aren't concerned about truth or America or any of that, just your own intellectually and morally bankrupt political party, facts and honesty be damned.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"Have you ever stopped to think for just ONE SECOND that the policies you prescribe for the African-American community have been RESOUNDINGLY REJECTED BY THAT COMMUNITY FOR DECADES?"

And how are they doing with the lefty ones? How's LBJ's war on poverty going? How is the state school education plan working out for them? What's their out of wedlock birth rate? How is the genocide by abortion working out for them? You or one of your comrades complained about the incarceration rate upthread, that seems good to you? How about the AIDs rate, obesity, high blood pressure, et al? How's that black on black crime going? Eradicated by the left in all the blue big cities? No. The left is USING the African American community and has been for years.

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Hahaha! I forgot. Regardless of the facts, anything that isn't a Fox News conspiracy is "pro-leftist". I have to remind myself that people like you aren't concerned about truth or America or any of that, just your own intellectually and morally bankrupt political party, facts and honesty be damned."

HaHAHA! I didn't forget. Regardless of the facts, anything that isn't a leftist talking point is "right wing". I don't have to remind myself that people like you don't care about the United States, the rule of law, the constitution or liberty, you only care about some discredited ideology, leftist propaganda and lies, facts and honesty be damned.

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"""And how are they doing with the lefty ones?"""

The black middle class is growing rapidly. Compare their status today with pre-Civil Rights era demographics -- only 50 years ago -- and it is not even remotely comparable. So, while not 'there' yet, they are much better today than even 20 years ago. For example, in 1960 only 20% of the black population graduated High School. In 2006 that percentage for African-Americans age 25 and 29 was 86%. From 20% to 86%.

All of those issues where there are still problems are concerns, obviously, but to deny and improvement in the community is itself a form of soft racism.

"""The left is USING the African American community and has been for years."""

What an asinine comment. The African-American community is a vibrant and vital part of "The Left" and has been for decades. Are you biased, ignorant, or both?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"""And how are they doing with the lefty ones?"""

The black middle class is growing rapidly. Compare their status today with pre-Civil Rights era demographics -- only 50 years ago -- and it is not even remotely comparable. So, while not 'there' yet, they are much better today than even 20 years ago. For example, in 1960 only 20% of the black population graduated High School. In 2006 that percentage for African-Americans age 25 and 29 was 86%. From 20% to 86%.

All of those issues where there are still problems are concerns, obviously, but to deny and improvement in the community is itself a form of soft racism.

"""The left is USING the African American community and has been for years."""

What an asinine comment. The African-American community is a vibrant and vital part of "The Left" and has been for decades. Are you biased, ignorant, or both?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

"""Regardless of the facts, anything that isn't a leftist talking point is "right wing"."""

Okay let's look at just a few recent Republican stories:

Shirley Sherrod is a racist
Death Panels
Obama is a Kenyan
Obama is a Muslim
Obama blew up the oil rig on purpose
Obama wants to indoctrinate our youth
Obama "promised" unemployment wouldn't go higher than 8%

SHOW ME THE FACTS.

SHOW ME HOW THOSE STORIES ARE TRUE.

Now show me a list of stories on those msm sites which are as wrong on the facts as "Obama is a Muslim".

There's no way you can do it.

Because "Obama is a Muslim" is a flagrant lie and there's nothing even remotely like that from the Left at all, whether on the MSM or not.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 26, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Sure, the black middle class is on the rise, thankfully, but are in danger of slipping back into the lower class because of the marriage rate and the discrepancy in female vs male college degree attainment.

The Republican's championing the Civil Rights Act in 1964 certainly did improve the status of the African American Community as did the Republican signed emancipation proclamation, et al.

You are the ignorant and asinine. The efforts of the far left have in no way improved society for anyone except corruptocrats like Rangel, Kerry, Pelosi, etc.

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Who said Obama is a muslim? Where when? Show me who said it and where? No one said that. Obama's father and step father were muslims and Obama went to a black liberation theology church for 20 years with an antisemetic preacher but who said he is/was a muslim? FACTs please, not the ranting of a delusional paranoid.

And who cares if he is as long as he puts the interests of the United States before those of any other country or group?

Posted by: haunches | July 26, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I was perplexed that no journalists other than Andrew Sullivan and a bunch of bloggers addressed the odd Trig Palin birth story. It seemed a natural investigative story even if the outcome were to be that she did in fact give birth despite all the facts and circumstances that indicate otherwise. Reading through the back and forth it seems that the participants erred aggressively on the side of caution by not covering it.

Personally I like instant gratification. I suppose I will have to wait until she comes under republican attack if she decides to run in 2012. I would have thought Sarah Palin would have been mum on the issue but in fact she has a new comical facebook post which can be summed up as "...well, I never! hmfff" No bone of proof thrown only indignation.

Posted by: Brbr2424 | July 26, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Quoth the liberal: Full disclosure: I was associated with J-List myself.

Buried in the middle of his missive. Well, if the libbies say there's no conspiracy, then there must be none!

How idiotic you people can be. How completely ignorant and idiotic. Can't wait to see your brand of yellow journolism go the way of the Do-Do bird.

Posted by: stinkyliberals | July 26, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to the Republican Congress having hearings to get to the root of in-kind contributions from the Corrupt Media! JournOlist will become fair and balanced whether they like it or not or they will go broke defending their FREE commercials for Democrats.

OBTW I guess your endorsement of Gerry Connolly is forthcoming and of course you will be ignored just as you were on that POS who ran against McDonnell. 2008 the Corrupt Media died and 2010 Andrew Breitbart has put the first fistfull of dirt on your graves!

Thank God for new media and the TRUTH!

Posted by: Jaded2 | July 26, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

POLITICAL COMMENTARY
WHAT'S YOUR POINT?
Posted by: Ethan2010


A little slow, yes?

I listed known members of “J-list” who work for “Mother Jones” and WAPO.

The Bogus story got from “Mother Jones” to WAPO without WAPO naming the source “Mother Jones”.

How does that happen?
The Story was presented as fact when in reality it was bogus, dismissed twice in Fed court.

How could a story this bogus from “Mother Jones” be reported by WAPO as fact?

Andrée “5150” McLeod was scolded by the judge not to file suits based on her “hypothetical theory”. The Judge had to point it out to Andrée “5150” McLeod that "realty" requires facts.

Either there was Collusion tween WAPO J-list buddies and “Mother Jones” J-list buddies
OR
WAPO has the most pathetic reporters in the history of journalism.

I don’t believe in coincidence, when there is a direct connection, do you?


Posted by: dschoen1 | July 26, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

“Full disclosure: I was associated with J-List myself.”


If these pathetic morons had any dignity or professional etiquette WE would have known about this “J-list” a long time ago.

Trying to white wash it now only leads to 2 possible conclusions.

1. You are lying now
Or
2. You were lying then.
Sorry but WAPO has less credibility than “Star Magazine”.

Posted by: dschoen1 | July 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Let me deviate a little. Ranold Reagan sold arms to IRAN, made deal with IRAN to embarrass Carter. Now why would RE-GUN and the RIGHT WING, Country First, NUT CASE CROWD do such a thing? NOW THE MILLION DOLLAR ? Can you imagine Obama even AS MUCH AS thinking it. Now we have Rush/L who wants to put to jail every negro that smoke pot, yet when caught doing drugs his fancy multi-million defence is addiction to pain killer. Now we know why jails have more poor people locked up. Rush is also the cheer leader of wanting Obama fail and give him credit he his brave enough say it out loud. On the contray the, the business cowards such as Steve Forbes blames it on Obama. Ladies and gentlement it is mostly all about racism. Clearly, Obama could not win without large number of white votes, however the racist segment of the society is still out there and fummed with hate from the Fox noise machime they lie often enough about Obama, just like a defence attorney does in court, you will manufacture some reservation about the man. As one describe it. They conciously make their racist remarks hoping to get away with it and when caught; LIKE A POLICEMAN GIVING A TICKET for speeding these RACIST RIGHT WING NUT CASES pretend THEY NEVER MADE RACIST STATEMENTS, JUST AS THEY WOULD DENY they were not speeding knowing dam full well they were driving 60 in 15 mph zone.

Posted by: aberdeen003 | July 27, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Greg, get your head out of your arse. Torturing logic in order to rationalize and deceive yourself about your behavior is sad.

Posted by: thegreatbeast2000 | July 27, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

So is this the new, workshopped strategy that you and Spencer and Ezra decided upon? Journolist is a RIGHT wing media conspiracy?

ROFLMAO!

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Mick_from_Geelong | July 27, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

So is this the new, workshopped strategy that you and Spencer and Ezra decided upon? Journolist is a RIGHT wing media conspiracy?

ROFLMAO!

Good luck with that.

Posted by: Mick_from_Geelong | July 27, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent digs up some obscure conservative site to back up his argument. Who the heck has ever heard of "the Daily Caller"? Ridiculous The Mainstream Media has been slanted to the left for decades and Sargent insults readers with his weak argument. Mr Sargeant, I'm sure you're preaching to many members of the choir here but the bulk of Americans is finally wising up to who runs the media in this country and we're angry.

Posted by: thebink | July 27, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

BS to english translation for the logically challenged:

I'm involved in this up to my neck so please feel free to quote me as an objective observer. We colluded to slant and spin the news to alter the election and we got caught. I blame everyone but myself. BUSH....CHENEY, aaacccckkk PALIN! Right Wing CABAL . Aaaah there out to get us. Pay no attention to the evidence right before your eyes. FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE !!! drool, froth.

Thank You for your attention

Posted by: theduck6 | July 27, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

"The Daily Caller appears to be deliberately picking subjects from J-List threads that will get it maximum pickup from the conservative media -- and right-leaning outlets are obliging."

No BLEEP, Sherlock. Did they teach you this hard-hitting investigative reporting in your highfalutin journalism school? "Gee, when we write amongst each other about giggling like maniacs as someone has a heart attack before our eyes, that person might comment on it on their radio show." CONSPIRAZY !!11!!11!!

Maybe you and your little Juice Box Mafia friends -- we all know you've regrouped in a new listserve with Matt Yglesias to figure out how to spin this scandal -- should get another little club together and call it... MoveOn.org? Kinda catchy. "Nothing to see here, folks. MOVE ON." (Peanut gallery: BJ) "Shut up, RACIST!"

Posted by: 2partsgin | July 27, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, NO coordination, right.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Thanks for the laugh! Just like ol' Jimmuh, you never really cheated, you just lusted in your heart. And all your Journo list compas, they didn't cheat either. You just read the same posts about how to screw the reporting thing and spin for Obama and the Demos. It is just a COINCIDENCE that your "news" all looked like the spin!

Right! And bears don't s*** in the woods...

Posted by: novaculus | July 27, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I almost forgot.

I think you and most of the Journolist scum are liars who pimped their profession and prostituted themselves in the service of their political agendas.

The proof is in the pudding, and there is a lot of pudding under the Journolist topping.

If you REALLY want to prove your point, Sargent, just publish ALL the Journolist archives.

Then we can decide for ourselves, and we won't be relying on spin from people with pudding on their chins who are trying to hide the truth.

Posted by: novaculus | July 27, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Remember the so called vandalism at Democrat campaign offices during the 2008 Elections, as well as stories of racism? Compare with the latest revelations of coordination with
Journolist. Just cross-check the names against the stories during that period. Doug Ross was already a step ahead!!
===================================================

Heres the story I googled:

Racist Incidents Give Some Obama Campaigners Pause

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/05/13/ST2008051301359.html?sid=ST2008051301359
———————-
And,

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/07/trip-through-archives-what-kind-of.html

This was not casual fraternization among like-minded professionals. These JournoLists were coordinating their efforts to serve as an embedded campaign.

Dylan Matthews
Aug 30, 2008, 12:21am
Obama absolutely cannot touch this. Even if it’s true.

Mark Kleiman
Aug 30, 2008, 1:03am
Absolutely don’t touch it.
Hit her on bringing the cameras when she visited the wounded warriors. That’s fair game, and that will hurt with her base.
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/08/ewww_ick.php

But leave the kid alone.

Sounds kinda like they’re thinking how to discredit Palin?

Adele Stan
Aug 30, 2008, 2:49am
Lots about her that’s fair game: climate change, intelligent design, ANWR drilling, dishonest representation of Obama’s energy plan.

Adam Serwer
Aug 30, 2008, 12:25am

The tone of the alaska newspaper article is definitely that there’s something fishy going on, it reads very bizarre.

Of course, Palin could just be really weird, and the reporter who wrote that story could just be particularly paranoid.

Ryan Donmoyer
Aug 30, 2008, 7:52am
I do wonder, however, whether at least one authoritative piece ought to be done to try to put the issue to rest —
not as a hit job on Palin

As long as it’s in the rumor stage it rivals the disinformation disseminated about Obama

Kathleen Geier
Aug 30, 2008, 9:13am
Obviously, neither Obama nor any other Democrat should touch this story. At all.

Kathleen Geier
Aug 30, 2008, 9:49am
It looks like the daughter *could* be pregnant — especially in the first picture.

And it seems odd that Palin would wait until her 7th month to announce her pregnancy.
None of this is evidence of anything, of course — but I do relish the idea that if this were true and discovered, Palin would take the crown from Eagleton as the most disastrous veep choice ever.
I am really hoping Palin will self-immolate and bring down the ticket with her.

Because if she proves to be a popular choice who doesn’t screw up too badly, she could be really, really dangerous in the years to come.

Lindsay Beyerstein
Aug 30, 2008, 10:59am

However, if some reporter thinks this rumor is worth investigating further, and he or she absolutely nails this story, that would be great.

* Why could that be? *

Posted by: 2partsgin | July 27, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

@ Ethan2010

Do we have a WINNER? :)

You raise an interesting point about whether Obama is a Muslim.

His obvious antipathy towards Israel, the report that he told an Egyptian diplomat that he is a Muslim, his “alleged misstatement” that John McCain had “not talked about [his] Muslim faith,” bowing to the Mayor of Tampa Pam “CAIR Day” Lorio, NASA Muslim outreach, Nicholas Kristof writing in the New York Times that he recited the Arabic call to prayer in a “first-rate accent,” his 57 states comment, his statement in the Audacity of Hope that he will “stand with Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction," his odd interest in the long-term consequences of al Qaeda’s actions vs. the “short-term tactical gains” of these actions, etc. And now his consenting to the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

Is Obama a closeted practicing Muslim? Perhaps not. Do his loyalties lie with Islam over this country? A whole lot of smoke says that they are at the very least divided.

Posted by: 2partsgin | July 27, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Ethan 2010 wrote:

Ezra Klein – Washington Post, Newsweek, The American Prospect
Dave Weigel – Washington Post, MSNBC, The Washington Independent
Greg Sargent – Washington Post
Alec McGillis – Washington Post
Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones
David Corn – Mother Jones Nick Baumann – Mother Jones Jonathan Stein – Mother Jones Laura Rozen – Politico, Mother Jones

= POLITICAL COMMENTARY

You forgot one.

Michael Scherer - Time magazine

He will now be on the board of directors of the White House Correspondents' Association.

Posted by: 2partsgin | July 27, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Since the Democrats' favorite line of attack is accusing their opponents of racism, and Ethan2010 brings up the "Southern Strategy," let's talk about that.

From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”

In other words, this story would indicate that the Democratic party has historically accommodated racists for political gain... exactly what they accuse Republicans of. It would explain how Robert C. Byrd kept his power in DC for so many years. Which brings me to my next point.

The shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth. In the postwar era, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however — and here’s the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.) To give just one example: in the 50s, among Southerners in the low-income tercile, 43 percent voted for Republican Presidential candidates, while in the high-income tercile, 53 percent voted Republican; by the 80s, those figures were 51 percent and 77 percent, respectively. Wealthy Southerners shifted rightward in droves but poorer ones didn’t.

Posted by: 2partsgin | July 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent's article is so strange and borders on parody. What a pathetic worldview.

Posted by: sheryl7962 | July 27, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Soooo, Levin ruled it out, did he? It didn't happen!

Next time, tell the traffic cop "I couldn't have been speeding, officer, my mother in law won't allow it!"

Most 8 year olds can see right through this less-than-flimsy "argument", Blum.

Posted by: HarryBergeron | July 27, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Yes, a large group of journalists were coordinating in secret to decide storylines, push or bury stories, and share ideas and ideals to push or bury.

Many of the "discussion points" on the list became the storyline for several news organizations; in many cases almost verbatim... but there was no coordination? Yes, all the MSM News sources spontaneously came up with the same attacks, the same defense of Liberals, and the same lies. Oh, and evolution is fake, dogs and coyotes for example looking similar? Just coincidence.

What, if you'll beleive that the journalists having secret discussions about the news of the day then posting the same story everywhere isn't coordination but just coincidence I suspect you'd buy that evolution is hokum and all animal similarities are coincidental too... (or anything else, if you're that stupid).

So it was vast, it was left wing, it was a secret organization, and it was coordinated.

"J-List founder ruled out conspiracy."

Yeah Greg, a denial by the person running the list clearly shows the list is ok... when you want to know if there's a conspiracy, you ask the ringleader if there is one. If he denies it, there can't be one... are you this naive, gullible, and stupid; or do you simply hope your readers are?

"Nixon claims self not crook, nothing to see here, move along." Nixon was innocent.

"Enron CEO states their accounting practices are ok, no reason to investigate" Enron was squeaky clean, they themselves said so. Why would anyone investigate further?

"Clinton denies having sex with Lewinsky, rules out possibility of any problems" Who could doubt Clinton?

I mean seriously, what you think the person running the list is going to say? "Yes, lets get me down on the record as stating that I want a big conspiracy controlling the media"?

But I'm sure in your magical world, Nixon was innocent, Enron accounting was perfectly ok, Clinton never had extramarital sex, and J-list had no coordination. Does your world have unicorns and fairies?

Posted by: gekkobear1 | July 27, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

in true orwellien form,, a rebuttal that seeks to cover up the historical fact that left leaning media organizations shilled for obama while seeking to marginalize republicans, sought to ambush bush twice with strategically timed hit pieces prior to elections and a multitude of hit pieces during his presidency.
the coordination is there,,,for some it is not intended but that's because of the lack of any original thought and the lazy urge to just repeat what they feel instead of reporting with integrity.

Posted by: infinitewisdom4u | July 27, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Much like the insistance that Major Hasan was suffering from some sort of "pre-stress" disorder and uninvolved in Islamic based terrorism; it seems that some usually smart people can really talk themselves into believing anything.

Mr. Sargent quotes Ezra Klein in stopping an attempted collusion and uses this as the reason why there should be no story here. He then goes on to describe the "real" story here - the vast right wing conspiracy.

Everyone *does* know (don't they?) that such Orwellian denial of the obvious (along with the then predicatble counter claim) does nothing more than give further credence to claims of "over the line bias".

I suggest Mr. Sargent's next article go on to show how the vast right wing media machine colluded to label Mr. Hassan an Islamic Terrorist instead of the "pre-stress-disorder" addled non-terrorist who just "snapped". He would be in good company with this attempt (Joe Klein, Ezra Thomas) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111209824.html

Why bring up the Fort Hood situation? It exemplifies how a group of like minded "journalists" have a "goal oriented" POV that can ignore facts almost to the point of absurdity.

Much like the Wikileaks info on Afghanistan; the Journolist story really does not tell us anything that we did not already know - it is just interesting to see it in writing.

Posted by: Publicola1 | July 28, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

It is amusing to see so many people trying to cry racism at the people who found out that Journolist was suppressing the media and playing up stories to divert people from the real issues in the 2008 elections.

I watched it all in 2008 and guess what they were doing then? Calling everyone racist at the least questioning of Obama being ready to be President, and threatening blood in the streets if he was not elected.

Now who are the racist?

Posted by: letscheck | August 1, 2010 4:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm trying to figure out why we should care what Greg Sargent, a suspected member of Journolist, has to say in defense of Journolist.

When I'm talking to the fox about the henhouse, I'm watching the fox pick feathers out of his teeth, not listening to the explanations tumbling out of his bloodstained mouth, or reading the phony words coming off his keyboard.

Come clean about your time on Journolist, Sargent.

Posted by: pwel | August 1, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

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