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Why GOP obstruction helps Republicans, part II

As you regulars know, I've been noting here regularly that GOP obstruction could perversely end up benefiting Republicans politically, because voters may end up holding Dems accountable for government dysfunction, since they run the place.

Here's yet another data point for this argument, though I'll admit it's highly speculative. What if the GOP's successful efforts at obstruction in the Senate are also partly responsible for the "enthusiasm gap" between the two parties, which is also widely expected to help Republicans?

The latest Gallup polling shows that Republicans and Dems remain tied in the generic Congressional matchup. This is the case despite multiple polls showing that majorities are convinced that Republicans are more interested in blocking the Obama/Dem agenda then in reaching a good faith compromises. That alone suggests Republicans aren't paying any price for obstructionism.

But Gallup also finds that Republicans remain significantly more enthusiastic about voting this fall than Dems are. Though the gap has shrunken a bit, 38 percent of Republicans say they're very enthusiastic about voting, versus only 25 percent of Dems, a double digit spread.

What if this is partly due to GOP obstructionist tactics? Seems plausible that Republican successes in stalling or halting the hated Obama/Dem agenda excite the Republican base, and give them a reason to feel hopeful. Meanwhile, no matter how much the Dems scream that the GOP is the "Party of No," the Dems' failure to get around GOP obstructionist tactics just demoralizes the Dem base by contributing to a sense that Dems are hapless and ineffectual.

If this is true, it's yet another way that the alternate universe known as the U.S. Senate is making a perverse mess of our politics. Again, I admit this is highly speculative. But I just wanted to throw the idea on the table for discussion.

By Greg Sargent  |  July 8, 2010; 12:19 PM ET
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You are dead right, Greg. This is another example of the Dem-Obama political incompetence: the incessant and futile bi-partisan efforts just make them look weak. People want results, not happy talk. Failure accrues to the GOP's benefit, however it happens.

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to go along with your speculation, simply for the fact that I would have been much more enthusiastic about voting for the Democrats in 2002, 2004, 2006, and 2008 if they had ever tried to obstruct any of W's destructive foolishness. To be fair, they did derail his plans to hand over Social Security to Wall Street, but I would have been a lot more enthusiastic if they had blocked him on tax cuts for the filthy rich, Iraq, PATRIOT Act, etc etc etc.

What we have here are two teams playing different games or at the very least with a very different understanding of the rules. Democrats seem to sincerely believe that when they are in the minority, the majority's wishes should be honored by allowed their opponents' agenda to proceed. Republicans believe that their job is to represent only the people who voted for them, regardless of how small a minority of the general public that may be.

Posted by: JennOfArk | July 8, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "The U.S. Senate is making a perverse mess of our politics."

Is this true only when we have a Dem President, a Democratic majority House, and a majority Democratic but not filibuster-proof Senate?

Were you complaining, Greg, when the Jim Jeffords switched parties to make a perverse mess of our politics by impeding the Bush agenda?

Posted by: sbj3 | July 8, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

sbj -- are you seriously arguing that Dem filibustering compares to the scope and extent of GOP use of the tactic?

Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

...and thanks wbgonne and jennofark, great points. Dems just don't seem like they're playing by the same set of rules, and the public isn't prepared to reward them for that.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | July 8, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "Are you seriously arguing that Dem filibustering compares to the scope and extent of GOP use of the tactic?"

Is that all that you are arguing? You are complaining that the GOP is using a tactic that the Dems have given them? You're blaming the wrong party!

Posted by: sbj3 | July 8, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

You just don't get it do you? The republicans are doing what their constituency wants which is to stop the left all means necessary. They are succeeding at least on a small scale and will be rewarded for it.

The democrats and Obama have decided to flip the middle finger at the majority of the American People because they feel they know better than the masses. They to will collect their just reward.

Posted by: Pilot1 | July 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Pilot1, except for the other majority that put them into office. You can try to win it back, but not without a fight. We're getting things done on the scale that the institutional and corporate funded Senate will allow. I wouldn't predict a landslide victory for your "majority" just yet.

Posted by: lmsinca | July 8, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Democratic Party has the guts to run on its accomplishments, since for once they has some. List the horrors of no health care, and brag about what they did to address them.

So the oil wasted gulf, oil funded terrorists etc and push energy reform, and either brag about what they did, or show the votes where the Republicans blocked them

Same for minimum wage, unemployment insurance, and contrast to Rep Apologizing to BP

The Democratic Party should RUN at the election straight up and at full speed.

Posted by: Muddy_Buddy_2000 | July 8, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@Greg: "Dems just don't seem like they're playing by the same set of rules, and the public isn't prepared to reward them for that."

Let's see - for HCR Dems avoided conference because Brown was elected (unprecedented) and then they went to reconciliation. Two tactics available to them to thwart the dastardly GOP. You don't think the public is prepared to reward the Dems for playing hardball with HCR? I wonder why that might be... ?

Posted by: sbj3 | July 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Some of the Gallup polling is a direct result of the more liberal goups and blogs who have constantly criticized Obama on every front. It's not good for him and it doesn't bode well for Democrats.

Take health care. I mean, Obama delivered on preexisting condition discrimination, on gender discrimination, on price based on basic medical history, etc. Yet, because the public option was discarded late in the game -- thanks to Lieberman and Snowe -- the liberal blogs criticized Obama for not further pushing these and other senators. They throw out the successes and focus on what they perceive as failures.

And, the worst part about it is that many of these same liberal groups then suggest that Obama is to blame for the midterm struggles, for he "negotiated" with the GOP. In the senate, he needs 60 votes to pass anything at all. That is how the GOP is playing their minority status. It's how Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman are playing their parts as senators, too. So, the bloggers should understand that Obama's going to need these senators on any initiative. They shouldn't criticize him for acting in that manner.

Is Obama perfect? Of course not. He has had a lot handed to him and a lot of it is really tough. But, he is working on a lot of issues in the right way. Democrats should be excited to support him -- and should remember where they'd be with Mac in charge.

Posted by: teoandchive1 | July 8, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3: Is that all that you are arguing? You are complaining that the GOP is using a tactic that the Dems have given them? You're blaming the wrong party!

Well sbj, the outright obstruction by the repigs has been out there for everyone to see. I would note that while dems opposed a lot (clearly not enough) of the Bush agenda, they did allow votes on those measures. They didn't hold up nearly as many appointees. Every single initiative has to go through multiple cloture votes. Even if dems win all of them, the 30 hrs of debate for each vote means that the senate is in neutral for weeks at a time while the republican delay tactics play out. I don't believe the dems did this to every bill that bush and the repub congress proposed...

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

@srw3: "I don't believe the dems did this to every bill that bush and the repub congress proposed..."

Well of course not! They didn't have to because the GOP had majority control of both houses for only five of eight years - with tighter margins.

Posted by: sbj3 | July 8, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

If they have enough money, which they might, Republicans can just buy their way back into power. Looks like they're going to have an unprecedented $200m for the mid-terms. Lucky us. Who needs policy?

"Democrats, while predicting that the $200 million objective likely won't be reached, are prepping for an avalanche nonetheless. "It is just one more chess piece on the board," said J.B. Poersch, executive director of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. "Today, I assume, at least the Chamber's money is real because it was real before. If they say they are going to spend $75 million, I have to assume it is real."

"There's no doubt the Bush boys and big corporate interests -- those who lost the most in the last two years -- are going to try to buy their way back in to power," said Hari Sevugan, press secretary for the DNC. "We are confident that Democrats, as well independents, who don't want that to happen, will put up the resources to ensure that it doesn't."

That confidence is far from universally shared. While it's anticipated that both parties will be able to maintain approximate parity in the amount of money they can spend on congressional races, top strategists are resigned to the likelihood that Democratic interest groups won't match their Republican counterparts. So far this cycle, the activist base -- personified by groups like MoveOn.org -- has been motivated by issue-advocacy and primary challenges, not the Democratic Party's well being."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/08/democrats-fear-they-cant_n_639202.html

Posted by: lmsinca | July 8, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, they spent a year on HCR and let the economy continue to loose ground. They taxed health insurance plans that were good, not great plans. Can't stop talking anout a carbon tax and a soda tax. Then passed a crappy bank bill that dems helped water down. Then sued Arizonia for passing a immigration bill that 60% of the country likes. Obama's approval will be 15% with independents by the end of August. And you'll never win without them!

Posted by: obrier2 | July 8, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious stuff. So the party with the massive majorities can't get enough of its own members to support its initiatives and the minority party is to blame?

Here's a thought: perhaps the Republican opposition tactic has been so successful, because most Americans aren't socialists. Your turn.

Posted by: dknight12345 | July 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't have thought this blog would be so explicit in promoting the memes of "GOP's successful efforts at obstruction" and "the Dems failure to get around GOP obstuctionist tactics."

Dem accomplishments you want?

http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/reports?id=0380

Posted by: converse | July 8, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Pardon the digression but the earlier note about CNN firing its Mideast editor, a 20 year CNN employee, because she expressed admiration for a deceased Muslim cleric deserves note because it just goes to demonstrate yet again that the Conservatives and the GOP have adopted the worst habits of the Liberal Left as it lost meaning in the 70s. This is political correctness, Conservative style. It goes well with the GOP's incessant whining and claims of victimhood that are sure hallmarks of a movement in steep decline.

Stop the proud idiots from taking the country back! Vote for Democrats!

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sprays self with TrollIgnore™

Posted by: Ethan2010 | July 8, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3: Well of course not! They didn't have to because the GOP had majority control of both houses for only five of eight years - with tighter margins.

What is your point? When Dems got control of the senate in 2006, the gop immediately began filibustering every dem proposal. During the 5 years of complete repub control, the dems didn't simply stall every bill and appointment through anonymous holds, multiple cloture votes (each requiring 30 hrs of debate, which was invoked simply to stall the process and not for any substantive debate), and generally not agreeing to unanimous consent for anything.

"HCR Dems avoided conference because Brown was elected (unprecedented) and then they went to reconciliation. Two tactics available to them to thwart the dastardly GOP. "

It is also unprecedented for the gop to insist on multiple 60 vote majorities (and attendant delays) for every single bill introduced into the senate and to multiple 30 hr delays for each stage of the legislative process. And if the house and senate both pass the same bill, then there is no need for a conference report. I am sure that the dems would have gone to conference, if the repiglicans would have allowed an up or down vote, so blaming the dems for trying to get around massive republican obstruction is pretty weak tea.

As you well know, you can't blow your nose in the senate with out unanimous consent and republicans have been withholding that for things that were completely routine just a few years ago. That is what is really unprecedented.

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"Obstruction" is another word for check-and-balance.

Whatever they think of the GOP per se, a substantial and growing plurality if not majority of Americans are VERY grateful that SOMEBODY will put the brakes on Oboobma's destructive and extremist ideology.

Posted by: thebump | July 8, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Ethan, I think there's a Fabreze scent called Trollgnore. Kind of lemony.

Greg makes a great point above: are the GOP obstruction facts the same as what the Dems did in the minority? No. Not even close.

And the difference is simple: the GOP wants government to fail, both when they're not running it and when they are.

THAT's what the Nov election HAS to be about, or we're cooked.

Posted by: BGinCHI | July 8, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I think the obstructionism will undoubtedly benefit the GOP, but I think it's for a completely different reason. Republicans can do and say whatever they want. Their supporters are a huge, massive horde of mindless sheep who will believe anything any rethuglicon leader or pundit has to say. Being in the GOP has huge advantages. There is no accountability, because their supporters aren't smart enough to recognize when they should be taken to task. They can make up outrageous lies, and despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, the sheep will choose the lie over reality every single time. What the repiggers have done since Obama was elected (gee, an actual elected president, how refreshing after two rigged elections in a row) was basically accuse the administration of the exact same things the bushies did, only to a far greater degree. Did i dream it, or were dems minions of Satan for using the filibuster when king george was in power? The list could go on for days. I'm personally astounded at what the repigs get away with, but then i just remind myself that those who vote for them are mindless sheep who are embarrassingly easy to manipulate and it makes perfect sense. When you're a republican "leader" it's awesome. You never have to answer one single question in your entire career, even if you're in power for decades. The repiggers have a cliche or bumper sticker slogan for every single question that can possibly be asked. Every answer they ever give is two to three words. And if all else fails, they go to the hole card, and scream "Liberal Media" and that clears everything up for the sheep whose brains cannot function independently. They can only function after updates have been uploaded by fox news, palin, beck, limbaugh, etc.

Posted by: red2million | July 8, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Take health care. I mean, Obama delivered on preexisting condition discrimination, on gender discrimination, on price based on basic medical history, etc. Yet, because the public option was discarded late in the game -- thanks to Lieberman and Snowe --
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Posted by: teoandchive1 | July 8, 2010 1:01 PM
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That is false. Obama and Rahm traded the public option away early in the game via secret meetings with the health insurance companies. Rahm, as always, was more interested in keeping the corporations happy and thus keeping the Democrat's share of their campaign contributions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/ny-times-reporter-confirm_b_500999.html

Result: the insurance companies got what they wanted, an unpopular public mandate. And the thing they fought hardest, the very popular public option, was eliminated.

You're putting the cart before the horse when you try to blame liberals for HCR not being more popular.

P.S.

http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2010/06/sensible-liberalism-featuring-chuckles/
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | July 8, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Greg.

I just checked in to see what was being discussed, and I came across the Obtuse Angle, BP 20 Billion Slush fund claim.

The Democrats, and even you, Greg, need to get on the ball about this Right Wing "Slush Fund" claims.

Here is how to destroy their "slush fund" claims.


BP is boasting, in their TV ads, about having committed to set aside the 20 Billion in a fund to compensate the spill victims.

Would BP be bragging about having been "extorted" out of 20 Billion dollars?

Frame the Debate.

Now back to my retirement.


Posted by: Liam-still | July 8, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

So what you are saying in this article is that it is the Republicans fault that the Obama administration is so....BAD?

"We the People" see nothing but the backs of the Democrats as they attempt to create something in their own self-righteous image. They believe THEY KNOW BETTER, and don't give a damn want the AMERICAN PEOPLE want.

I'm glad the Republicans are being "obstructionist", because if they just sat there and did nothing, we'd eventually have nothing....except maybe rioting in the streets a la Greece.

Obstruct rationed health care? Hell yes!
Obstruct amnesty for immigrants? Hell yes!
Obstruct "financial reform" (redistribution of wealth)? Hell yes!

I'll be at the polls, camping out like I'm going to a movie premier, come election day....

Posted by: uncasquig | July 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that the Democrat Party's agenda is bad for America. Conservatives see this clearly and are enthusiastic about doing something about it this coming November. In the meanwhile, the best thing that Republicans can do is to try to prevent the progressive's 'spend, tax and borrow' agenda from getting any further. The Democrats have been the ones bargaining in bad faith. Their idea of bi-partisan legislation is to tell the Republicans "Elections have consequences....here's our bill, take it or leave it because we are going to push it through no matter what your objections are or what your counter-proposals are"

Posted by: honorswar26 | July 8, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Republican obstructionism is part-and-parcel of the GOP's refusal to recognize President Obama's legitimacy or, for that matter, the validity of majority rule. Republicans lost the elections but they won't accept the results. Unfortunately, words will have little impact: the GOP is wholly craven and only catastrophic losses at the polls will allow grownups to reclaim leadership. Until then, it's going to be the jingo No-Nothings in control of the party: Palin, Beck, Limbaugh. Vote Democratic to save America from the proud idiots!

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Greg

What you are insinuating that the obstruction tactic that the GOP employed while at the same offering the work with the Democrats with legislation only to turn renege on it is going to reward them in the mid term. After all they said that they are willing to work with the Democrats when the they lost the majority in the Executive and Legislative branches in the 2008 election. I'll use the Joe Wilson phrase: "You Lied!"

IMO it is not going to because of the way the Senate rules are in place makes it much harder to get anything done because it must recognize the minority over the majority. Take, for example, of the effort to reform the budget and Judd Greg was not pleased that only 53 members voted for it which is considered a majority. Obstruction is another way of copping out on moving forward just like Bennett of Utah has said "it is dangerous."

Posted by: beeker25 | July 8, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Now back to my retirement."

Retirement? WTF!? The country needs you.

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It really is essential to keep our eye on the ball: the next election isn't about how popular Obama is or whether the Democrats have been politically adept: It is about saving the country from the GOP Know Nothings who will sell America to the highest bidders, piece by piece, all in the name of "freedom."

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

@Greg

This isn't a post for the regulars here, correct? Because we've been making these points in the comments for aaaaages.

You are correct that the obstruction by the GOP also has the effect of hurting the morale of the liberal base, because they feel frustrated by the lack of progress.

But let me add ANOTHER dimension to this. By making the Government on the whole look incapable and broken, the GOP obstruction will also have the effect of depressing turnout from the first-time Obama voters as well as more casual voters. By Novermber, if this continues, there will be a large contingent of voters out there who will throw up their arms and proclaim "I'm not going to vote for any of them!" -- much like msmolly on this board said in the last thread.

This would make the mid-terms even MORE of a "base turnout" election than before, thus increasing the influence of the enthusiasm gap further (see: good for the GOP).

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | July 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Another thing: I've come to suspect that Judd Gregg's intent to enter the Obama Admin was a feint all along. Gregg agrees with NOTHING Obama does. I wouldn't be surprised if Gregg gave the GOP a going-away present by infiltrating the Obama transition.

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The situation doesn't "demoralize the Dem base by contributing to a sense that Dems are hapless and ineffectual". It demoralizes the Dem base by demonstrating that obstructionists are not held to the same standard of political responsibility. The dangers of the status quo are rarely enumerated, and the minority party is not required or pressed to propose alternatives.

Posted by: ChrisDC | July 8, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Republican have everything to gain if they can keep the country as ignorant as their base. To hear Sen. DeMint last night on PBS News Hour say "working together" doesn't work, is to say the government won't work unless we want it to....our way. Even though the Republcans are the minority. The Democrats have not done a great job either, but the Republicans scare me to death with the like of DeMint. To me all the Democrats have to do is plaster the TV's with his speeches and they will win! If we go by the screaming barometer of conservative radio on the AM band...which is dying even more cause that's all that on...Obama would never have been elected President and President McCain would have been impeached for being a moderate!Get a Clue!

Posted by: lhuston10 | July 8, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

the best thing that Republicans can do is to try to prevent the progressive's 'spend, tax and borrow' agenda from getting any further. The Democrats have been the ones bargaining in bad faith. Their idea of bi-partisan legislation is to tell the Republicans "Elections have consequences....here's our bill, take it or leave it because we are going to push it through no matter what your objections are or what your counter-proposals are"

Posted by: honorswar26

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Your analogy is incorrect because in the years that the GOP was in charge they , cut taxes on the rich, borrowed and spend their way to prosperity only to crash the economy in the process causing the deficit to go even higher (for proof log on to the Bureau of Public Debt, it is something you can't refute!)

It is the Republican who are bargaining in bad faith.[the obvious fact is that the Congressional Republicans, who have achieved a level of party discipline usually restricted to parliamentary parties, have pursued a systematic strategy of monolithic rejectionism and all-out obstructionism to defeat the Democratic effort to pass a health care reform bill, without proposing any serious alternative of their own or being willing to bargain in good faith for constructive compromise] and to add to it would be the Bennett-Wyden bill that consist of a compromise got lost in the process due to propaganda and threats from the leadership about working with the opposition.

Here's what Erza Klein has outlined:

The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill
(1) "Let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.The relevant policy is in Section 1333, which allows the formation of interstate compacts.
(2) "Allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do." This is the very purpose of the exchanges, as defined in Section 1312.
(3) "Give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs." Section 1302 of the Senate bill does this directly
(4) "End junk lawsuits."
(5)The solutions the GOP has on its Web site are not solutions at all, because Republicans don't want to be in the position of offering an alternative bill.
(6) This is a private-market plan. Not only is single-payer off the table, but at this point, so too is the public option


There's one thing certain whoever is in the majority always offer to work with the minority and turn around quash that olive branch because they get to decide the agendas.

Posted by: beeker25 | July 8, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

the best thing that Republicans can do is to try to prevent the progressive's 'spend, tax and borrow' agenda from getting any further. The Democrats have been the ones bargaining in bad faith. Their idea of bi-partisan legislation is to tell the Republicans "Elections have consequences....here's our bill, take it or leave it because we are going to push it through no matter what your objections are or what your counter-proposals are"

Posted by: honorswar26

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Your analogy is incorrect because in the years that the GOP was in charge they , cut taxes on the rich, borrowed and spend their way to prosperity only to crash the economy in the process causing the deficit to go even higher (for proof log on to the Bureau of Public Debt, it is something you can't refute!)

It is the Republican who are bargaining in bad faith.[the obvious fact is that the Congressional Republicans, who have achieved a level of party discipline usually restricted to parliamentary parties, have pursued a systematic strategy of monolithic rejectionism and all-out obstructionism to defeat the Democratic effort to pass a health care reform bill, without proposing any serious alternative of their own or being willing to bargain in good faith for constructive compromise] and to add to it would be the Bennett-Wyden bill that consist of a compromise got lost in the process due to propaganda and threats from the leadership about working with the opposition.

Here's what Erza Klein has outlined:

The six Republican ideas already in the health-care reform bill
(1) "Let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines.The relevant policy is in Section 1333, which allows the formation of interstate compacts.
(2) "Allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do." This is the very purpose of the exchanges, as defined in Section 1312.
(3) "Give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs." Section 1302 of the Senate bill does this directly
(4) "End junk lawsuits."
(5)The solutions the GOP has on its Web site are not solutions at all, because Republicans don't want to be in the position of offering an alternative bill.
(6) This is a private-market plan. Not only is single-payer off the table, but at this point, so too is the public option


There's one thing certain whoever is in the majority always offer to work with the minority and turn around quash that olive branch because they get to decide the agendas.

Posted by: beeker25 | July 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

lhuston10: I saw that on the Newshour, too. Did you notice that DeMint said that Obama and the Democrats were NOT acting in the best interests of the country. And NOBODY said anything about it! When, exactly, did the GOP get immunity for calling the President anti-American?

Posted by: wbgonne | July 8, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious stuff. So the party with the massive majorities can't get enough of its own members to support its initiatives and the minority party is to blame?

Here's a thought: perhaps the Republican opposition tactic has been so successful, because most Americans aren't socialists. Your turn.

Posted by: dknight12345
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"socialist" is a stupid, innacurate, devisive term that only rednecks use to describe what the Democtatic Party accomplished this year.
Back to you, Goober...

Posted by: cjbass55 | July 8, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Gee whiz another Lying and Misleading "story" by the confirmed corrupt Washington POST....

Let's review the CENSORED FACTS about the last unemployment extension that the super majority of Democrats failed to deliever to the people.

Dirty Harry two two "sure" ways of passing this bill and he chose neither for "political" reasons and the POST is pushing his lies and misdeeds....

FACT:

The bill would have passed if DEMOCRAT Ben Nelson had voted with his hero Obama and Party, why didn't he? Dirty Harry needed (1) vote....

The bill would have also passed if Dirty Harry PAID for it by not ADDING to the $1.7 trillion FY 2010 budget. GOP senators were standing by.....

My fellow Americans the unemployment extension bill failed because the Democrat leadership is Dirty......

And this Dirty leadership is supported by corrupt left-wing reporters like Greg Sargent who failed to tell you what I just did............again for "political" gain.

Posted by: allenridge | July 8, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

It's difficult to say what to do. The conservatives are absolutely opposed to democracy and rule of law. These people will always operate as though they were elected with a mandate, no matter how few their numbers are. If only we could divide this place along the Mason-Dixon line and give them their Southern homeland. We'll be the United States of Canada and they can be the Confederate States of Jesus. Of course we'd have to decide what to do when the Confederate States of Jesus invade Mexico for the land and a fresh source of slaves.

Posted by: biograph19851 | July 8, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

@allenridge : The bill would have passed if DEMOCRAT Ben Nelson had voted with his hero Obama and Party, why didn't he? Dirty Harry needed (1) vote....

Fact: the bill did garner a majority of votes and would have passed the senate if the repiglicans would allow a vote to go to the floor. Filibustering is just a way for rethuglicans to thwart the will of the majority of the senate.

You can whine all you want about problems in the dem party, but the fact is that there are solid majorities for almost everything that the repiglicans have filibustered. That is the story here, not whether 1 dem didn't vote with his party. The idea that every proposal must pass a supermajority test before being voted on is not in the constitution and the founding fathers would be shocked if they knew that the senate was being twisted in this way.

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Just because you write it does not make it so. If the voters elect the very people who have stepped on their throats and head than they deserve to get the rest of their body jumped on!

Posted by: sun52shine | July 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Everyone did their best to whitewash everything Obama says and does. Finally reality is starting to set in. Obama alone is helping the Republicans because of his one track socialist mind. His policies, his refusal to accept blame, his attacks on the private sector, bypassing the Constitution, the dictatorial one party rule, health care, job losses, the economy, the deficit, and the debt are helping the Republicans because Obama hasn't lifted a finger in any of these areas. Obama supporters have tried to change the publics opinion but have fail because of Obama. Wise up. Obama doesn't need anyone but himself. This is still America and those who support Obama are still American's meant to be used by Obama to help him transform this country to socialism. Suckers.

Posted by: houstonian | July 8, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Houston, you must be on the Texas Board of Education, lots of revisionist analysis going on there.

Posted by: lmsinca | July 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Folks - let's face it. Neither the Republicans nor Dem's can govern effectively - our political system does not put good people in charge and it's our fault, the system itself is set up for failure.
1) We think Politicians have to be perfect, their personal lives and beliefs are more important to us than their ability to solve problems and manage effectively. Hence Republican divisive tactics on gay marriage, abortion, etc. actually work. It’s like a shell game – take your eyes off the real issues and look at the moral crap.
2) In order to get elected, you need money - lots of it. So ultimately politicians need to suck up to and serve special interests.
3) Our Gov't spends money like drunken sailors - no bid contracts, sole source defense contracts, and waste upon waste...100's of billions of dollars. We encourage our representatives to bring home the bacon, which while good for one state, is a disaster when taken for the whole of our country.
4) When the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Palin, and Beck criticize the President, we listen to them – this despite the fact they often lie, quote dubious sources, and fabricate inane conspiracy theories.
Bottom line – we are screwed……..nothing short of a drastic change in our socio and political system will bring about meaningful change.
So you can stop bantering between Republican and Democrats because they are basically the same.

Posted by: JJH1 | July 8, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats pay a price vis-a-vis the Party of No as a result of appearing weak and ineffective. Mainly because they have been weak and ineffective.

The still seemed to be shell-shocked from the onslaught of the right-wing noise machine over the last 20 years and are desperately in need of a backbone implant. Until the Democrats in general and Obama in particular stop appearing as lily-livered appeasers and start showing some strength in their convictions, they will be viewed as weak and rudderless.

Unfortunately, too many voters are looking for strength and effectiveness and want the security of leadership that has the courage of their convictions, regardless of ideology. And, the Democrats have been lacking in this department.

So, when the Democrats should be governing from a position of strength of numbers, they are appearing as spineless.

Posted by: gschultens | July 8, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are counting on the lack of sophistication of the average voter. That no bills pass the Senate except under extreme duress is seen a failure of the party in power, never mind that the House has passed a record amount of important legislation, particularly compared to the time the house was controlled by the GOP. That they all get stalled in the Senate is obviously the fault of the incumbents and since the majority of incumbents are Democrats the GOP has figured this is a winning strategy. That the country may go down the tubes in the mean time is not their problem, they do not need to take responsibility for anything. So we are sliding back into the good old days of G.W., who was also not responsible for anything.

Posted by: serban1 | July 8, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg's article is an over-analysis of the situation. The Dems came to power in 2006 in the House and Senate. They were responsible for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debacles. Since Obama was elected, they've managed to screw the economy royally, far worse than in the days of Republican power. It doesn't look good for the Dems because the Dems don't look good.

Posted by: ThisIsReality | July 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

any upcoming Republican presidency in 2012 will make Bush look like Abraham Lincoln. Personally, I hope Palin and Mike Huckabee win the whole thing. It'll hasten the party's death. It might also destroy the country and lead to WWIII, but the odds are against that I'd say.

Once the ENTIRE country is forced to pray to the Evangelical God in public school, labor laws are dismantled, police forces are privatized, and we're fighting 3 or 4 wars around the world simultaneously, perhaps people will pull their heads out of their as*es

Posted by: Please_Fix_VAs_Roads | July 8, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

repugs are notorious for voting against their best interest.
the bagging party of "no", will do anything to harm this president and the administration, with no regard to the consequences to the american people who put them in office.
repugs you need health care,social security,and unemployment benefits.
it's the people not the party.
the rest of us will remember the obstructionists.

Posted by: ninnafaye | July 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

What we have here are two teams playing different games or at the very least with a very different understanding of the rules. Democrats seem to sincerely believe that when they are in the minority, the majority's wishes should be honored by allowed their opponents' agenda to proceed. Republicans believe that their job is to represent only the people who voted for them, regardless of how small a minority of the general public that may be.

Posted by: JennOfArk | July 8, 2010 12:33 PM
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Yeah, but there's a sideshow here. We The People work or not, in the USA. Unions represent less than 15% of the workforce. The GOP represent, say 15%, of those Businesses with "Special Interest". What we are viewing is an evenly matched high stakes Football Game, not a Democracy.

Posted by: gannon_dick | July 8, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@houstonian:This is still America and those who support Obama are still American's meant to be used by Obama to help him transform this country to socialism. Suckers.

You lose all credibility when you call Obama a socialist, as he is actually a very centrist democrat, actually more conservative in many ways than Nixon or Eisenhower in the policies he promotes. Market based health care solution, market based cap and trade system (as opposed to a much easier to implement and more effective carbon tax), etc. Calling him a socialist just shows you don't know what the word means and your only aim is demagoguery.

And this bypassing the constitution thing?
1. you give no examples
2. Where were you when Bush and Cheney were shredding the constitution while lying the US into the Iraq debacle?

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

The Republic Party regards government to be the problem, and they proved it when they had absolute power under Dumya and Chickenhawk Cheney. So why do they want to get power again and prove their theory yet again? We know they're right. Dumya proved it already.

So now the Republic Party dudes are back saying we have to give the rich people more tax cuts with borrowed money because they are the ones who create jobs. Well, where are those jobs? Eight million jobs disappeared under Dumya and Chickenhawk, in fact. So how come the rich people forgot to create jobs with our money borrowed from China? Can a really smart Republic Party dude help me out with this puzzle?

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | July 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are counting on the lack of sophistication of the average voter.

No one ever went broke banking on the "no nothing" part of the american electorate. When people don't even know their own senators and representatives names, how do we expect them to understand their positions on the complex issues we face today.

@ThisIsReality: They were responsible for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debacles.

This is simply false. The problem with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is that they were created as GSEs, not nonprofit entities or private corporations or government agencies. They used their implicit guarantee that the feds wouldn't let them fail to behave recklessly. They fell when the mortgage meltdown plummeted their asset values. Look to Bush and the housing bubble that built up during his reign as the trigger that showed the flaws in GSEs.

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse


If we had a respectable third party running for office this "theory" would obviously be disproven.


Posted by: helloisanyoneoutthere | July 8, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Democrats: Hey, we want to use scare tactics to borrow another $1,000,000,000,000 from the Chinese and spend it on things like state pensions in blue states and hiring more government workers, while lying about keeping unemployment under 8%, telling NASA to focus on Muslims instead of space exploration, ignoring a democratic revolution in Iran, ignoring voter intimidation cases we've already won if the perpetrators are not white, and suing one of our own states for trying to enforce immigration laws that we don't want to because we get more illegal alien voters that way. Interested in joining us?

Republicans: No.

Democrats: OBSTRUCTIONISTS.

Posted by: zippyspeed | July 8, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's see here. . . How about Boehner screaming "Hell no! Hell no!" Think that's going to help the Republicans? How about clips of Tea Partiers in their Halloween costumes waving flags with errors in grammar and spelling? How about Sarah Palin?
Americans might not be satisfied with what Congress has done, but I think a majority of us still prefer government to be committed to doing something. That's not what the Republicans have offered. They'll have to run on Bush's wars, Bush's spending, Bush's fiddling while the economy tanked. . . And before you point out that Bush is gone, keep in mind that the Republicans had a legislative majority for all of that.

Posted by: jlhare1 | July 8, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

@zippyspeed: Can;t you at least come up with original rightwingnut talking points? The tropes you list have all been thoroughly debunked numerous times here and elsewhere.

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

DUMP OBAMA! HILLARY CLINTON IN 2012! THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE DEMOCRATS CAN RETAIN POWER!

I am a black man who voted for Obama, and I regret it. He's not done anything for us "little" black people. The only president who was ever interested in us was Bill Clinton! DUMP OBAMA! HILLARY CLINTON IN 2012! OBAMA IS TOXIC WASTE!

Posted by: georges2 | July 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The current GOP's membership question is always; how can I pass Oil, Coal, and Gas Pollution and Poisons onto the Public without making the Polluters pay for it??? How can I abuse the Taxpayer funded Privilege of my office to advance Oil, Gas and Coal interests and get more campaign Money???

How can I allow Wall Street Banks to Win and the Public Taxpayer to Lose and get more campaign money for doing so??? It’s always “Heads I win, Tails you Lose” with Wall Street. How can I ensure Health Insurance companies continue to Gouge the Consumer with administrative overhead and duplicate procedures to I can get more campaign contributions???

How can I keep people Unemployed while Obama is in office and Stop and Delay Clean Energy Jobs legislation and using less Oil (which might cut into my profits~ ala Joe Barton and Judge Martin L.C. Feldman)???

How…How…How….Eureka…I’ll just block and say NO to any meaningful reform and Weaken anything that passes so I can attack it later…-or-…call it an Evil Energy Tax so Pollution can continue unabated to be paid for by the Public while I take the Profits. An Evil Tax is much worse, much for Fearful than a little Poison or CO2 that you cannot see.... High Five…..Fist Pump….Flying Chest Bump!!!

Posted by: Airborne82 | July 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

georges2 you sound dangerously like a sock puppet. I guess you didn't like the largest middle class tax cut in american history, rescuing the economy from another great depression (I admit he could be doing a lot more in this area, but he did some things), providing funding to states so that they didn't have to gut their social service agencies (I would note that the republicans are blocking more aid to states), and the soon to be 2 new non rightwingnut justices on the SCOTUS among many other accomplishments. Shouting about Hillary, who BTW is in the Obama administration (not a great place to start a run against a sitting president), will not make it so and it makes you look, well, silly...

Posted by: srw3 | July 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The GOP are treasonous pigs.

Posted by: kurthunt | July 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Reps are using obstruction to make it "look" like Obama is getting nothing done. They even vote against bills they initiated in the first place. They are trying to grab hold of at least the Senate again so they can continue what they started in the Bush Administration in running the country into the ground. If people could just remember the Republicans' track record during the Bush/Cheney administration, then no one would take them seriously. Also, their ridiculous catering the Tea Party (like they did to the religious right) will last only until they get reelected.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | July 8, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

No, the President did the right thing and needs to keep doing it! He needs to "STEAMROLL OVER THE PARTY OF NO! He needs to do the will of the Majority of American's who sent him there and I'm one of them! He's doing a damn good job cleaning up a "CRIMINAL/REPUBLICAN/MESS!

The Republicans have delayed time and time again the President's crucial appointments that need to be filled as the "Republicans play politics with the country's government that millions of American's are waiting to be hired with, and looking for work months delays from Republicans who are the minority!

When in command...COMMAND!

Millions of American's out of work, Republicans cause of that under their boy "Blew it Bush who lost a record 8.5 Million jobs as the Republicans think it's fun and games, and deny 2 Million Americans extended unemployment benefits, where no jobs exists since the Republicans lost them, and voters will remember that too in the fall!

..."Real differculties can be overcome; "It is only the imaginary ones that are unconquerable." --Theodore N. Vail


To the President and the Democrats I say, "Givem hell..."STEAMROLL RIGHT OVER THE PARTY/NO/REPUBLICANS..."POUR IT ON...

Sincerely, Tom Birchfield, Voter/Vet USAF,
Graduate Student, Masters Program,
Professional Studies,
East Tennessee State Univesity/Class/2010

Posted by: ztcb41 | July 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This is too much. Just a little over two years after the disasterous presidency of George Bush there is a possibility of returning power to the - REPUBLICANS? What a deeply flawed country we are, filled with Fox-news watching and Rush Limbaugh listening idiots who are not really even Americans, are they? Yeah, Obama has not been the messiah we wanted but, god knows, he is better than McCain would have been. Only a moron would not know that. I have read these comment lines enough (Impeach Obama! yeah where the hell were these idiots when Bush was president?) to know that these comment lines are filled with morons, people of questionable intellectual ability. yeah, Obama has been a disappointment, BUT HE IS STILL A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN BUSH OR REAGAN EVER WERE. Got it, you IQ deficients? Got it? BARRACK OBAMA IS STILL A BETTER PRESIDENT THAN RONALD REAGAN OR GEORGE W. BUSH. I want to hear it from all of you that you KNOW That.

Posted by: nyrunner101 | July 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It not about America it's all about the Red party.

Posted by: whocares666 | July 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem has been described in detail. What's the solution?

The far right-wing conservatives will not change. No matter how ill-conceived or even outlandish their positions are on any given issue, they not only hold their own but seem to gather strength by obstructing Dems.

Posted by: former_michigander | July 8, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Apart from all the trivial tit for tat sparing over Michael Steele and who said what, the biggest single issue was and still is the economy.

It doesn't serve Republicans to support economic recovery. Why? Because their biggest agenda item is to extend the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy that will be expiring this year. Only by keeping the economy in the tank can Republicans generate enough public furor to resist all things "Democrat". Hence the resistance to economic stimulus of any kind. Who suffers? Working people who are for the most part not part of the Republican base.

So why not block any programs to bring the economy back to life? An economic crash will cause the public to lash out at all incumbents, and vote for the opposition, mostly Republican. The first order of business when Republicans seize control will be to extend the Bush tax cuts, regardless of their empty hand wringing over the deficit.

Rush Limbaugh truly is the heart and soul of the Republican party, and his desire to see the Obama administration fail genuinely reflects the attitude of most Republicans. Only problem is the majority of ordinary Americans will suffer greatly in order to facilitate the agenda of the wealthiest.

The greatest industrialist of all, Henry Ford, realized that if his workers could not afford to by his cars, his company would fail.

Posted by: capmbillie | July 8, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Ironic, isn't it?
The more the republicans do to destroy America the more they benefit themselves.
Mitch McConnell and his ilk are more destructive to America than Osama Bin Laden could ever hope to be.
One can only imagine the Day of Reckoning that lies ahead for them. OR - Maybe they DO imagine that day and that's why they're so crazy about having so many guns.

Posted by: TOMHERE | July 8, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The far right certainly has been wishing for that. They may not be alienating as many people as expected for being tantruming obstructionists, but there's new developments. Foremost, the Republicans are now featuring an even crazier batch of 'teaparty' candidates who make Dan Quayle look less buffoonish. A huge spotlight is now on them, and that will not help them.

Posted by: revbookburn | July 8, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The title of this article says it all, Te Party of No. partisan Politics ONLY helps politicians. i see many of the posters taking sides against their own loss of income, jobs, savings, investments, and yet people still take sides thinking things are going to get better doing what they do.

Do what you always do, and get what you always get. What something different, do something different!

Americans should be smarter than taking sides between a rock and a hard place while politicians have it soft and easy, working fewer days a year and getting paid much more a year than the Average American making between $60k-80K/year, while the Average American is short on pay and long on needs.

America can only be destroyed from within; likening the country to a,lion; the Lion will be devoured from within by a disease called GREED, working like a cancer spreading from one person to the next until all are ill.

The modern name for this process is called a Recession.

Posted by: patmatthews | July 8, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Well the Republican Party obstructs and gets elected and the right wing rejoices...and the country loses. Then the Democrat Party obstructs (because guess what folks, it works) and nothing gets done and the left wing rejoices and the country loses. SO someone please tell me why this is a good thing ????

Posted by: rstpierre | July 8, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

...hey, let's just listen to Palin and the failed GOP, and go back to cut taxes / cut govt that we tried for the 3 decades of the Reagan/Bush era. In fact, let's get ANOTHER big tax cut to the wealthiest as we did in 1981 and 2001.

I mean, that worked SO well to deliver trickle down prosperity. Almost nobody is unemployed now. And the banks and oil companies and health insurers, heck - they POLICED THEMSELVES!!! Get government out of the WAY by golly!

Abe Lincoln would have said;
"You can fool some of the people, ALL of the time"... ;^)

Balkingpoints / www

Posted by: RField7 | July 8, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Why, yes, Greg! What an absolutely perverse idea! The ones who actually run the place 'perversely' getting the blame! Like Ruthie, Greg, you are indeed a piece of work.

Posted by: chatard | July 8, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

A GOP contolled Congress soon? No thanks. I'd rather have a "donner" burger... No meat. No ketchup. No mustard. No bun. No onion. No tomato... maybe someone should find that field somewhere near Truckee, California and drop the GOP some grub...

Posted by: deepthroat21 | July 8, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

It seems that a dysfunctional legislative strategy works. The Republicans squash any idea from the opposition, nothing gets done as a result and you can blame the party in power for all the problems. We fall for that trick pretty well.

The only ideas the Republicans have are tax cuts and deregulation. More corporatocracy and deficits. They hold no other cards, and as we know that doesn't work. Sure, let Wall Street gobble up all the money and send us to bailouts again.

So, it looks like a return to more of the same BushII/Cheney policies after the next elections.

Yippie. I don't think I have ever been so pessimistic about our future.

Posted by: citizen4truth1 | July 8, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

November will put on halt on the nonsense discussions about who might win, and why.
The country is changing and the world is changing, only the GOP is in constant retreat from tomorrow.

Americans are interested in the bacon, not the grease. Since election we have all listened to Mitch McConnell, right wing pundits and right wing nuts-the writing is on the wall,there is no death panel-it was all a lie.

Thanks to the Republican Congress, many more Americans will have only to walk from the homeless shelter to vote for the candidate they believe can help restore their dignity. They will remember the Republican party that denied them a moral and rightful unemployment compensation. The Republican Party has become the "Repo Man of the American middle and lower economic class.

American people are good people, they know a fake and a fraud when they hear and see one. The false prophecy and rhetoric of lies and doom will come home to roost on the Republican Party side of the ballot.

American people do not want a nut case to perform heart surgery, or surgery on our nation. I sincerely believe the American people will shun the nut case politicians and select those with education, experience and intelligence to build to the future.

Hang on folks America, is a great country.

Posted by: COWENS99 | July 8, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

GOP Obstruction helps Republicans, part II.

Sure it does, but only in the crazy world of the GOP, and no where else.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | July 8, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Republicans, for standing up bravely for American values against this fanatical and disastrous regime.

Posted by: thebump | July 8, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone in their right mind vote for people whose sole accomplishment the past few years has been dragging their feet? President Obama has managed to pass legislation of historic proportions without the input of Republicans. I suppose that's fine because their ideas usually benefit the wealthy and multi-national corporations and cost people like me. I won't vote for anyone who dragged their feet rather than offer up and work towards solutions left behind by the Bush administration and don't have a clue how to bring this nation into the 21st Century.

Posted by: MNUSA | July 8, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Democrats battle independents' weakening support of Obama and Congress

Recent polls show that 41 percent of independents now call themselves conservatives. Independents used to be mainly moderates, but they are trending increasingly to the right. They have deep concerns about Democrats being anti-business, anti-growth and fiscally irresponsible.

What I see happening is that more and more folks are trying to start small businesses as all the multinational corporations are moving all the jobs offshore. Baby boomers are retiring in mass with all of their accumulated wealth and inheritance. They benefited from World War II , the GI bill, defined pension plans and low interest rates.

Now they see the next generation of folks moving up the ladder as different from them being minorities in their minds as exemplified by President Obama. They don’t want to give back or help as previous generations did to those that looked like them.

This group being older and wealthier tends to be more conservative yet call themselves independents. They watch Fox News and believe all the Fox spin as truth. They are bombarded during drive time by Rush Limbaugh and right wing and religious talks shows critical of the President and Democrats in general.

The Democrats have not found an effective way to counter the right wing propaganda and news cycle. Just as blacks fought for civil rights and once that was achieved, they slipped back into complacency. The left have grown older and their offspring have no issues to rally around. There is no draft, anyone can get a credit card and if you can’t find a job, you can just live with your parents.

As a layman, I see that history repeats itself. Generally Republicans espouse populous themes to get votes and win elections while working for the corporations whose goals are to suppress wages, maximize profits if it means polluting the air or water, framing democrats as unpatriotic while allowing outsourcing of all the jobs and manufacturing to communist China. Democrats generally try to correct the excesses of the right wing, but seem incapable of framing their positions in a way that voters agree with or understand. Generally, I feel so-call liberals, lack passion.

Perhaps there are no more liberals as the country is too laid back, too soft, too doped up on drugs in the water such as Prozac. Everything about the country is going downhill in a rush. Terrible shows on TV, endless wars and climate change. A changing economy with less of a middle and more poor and more billionaires that need capital management.
Capitalism has failed the middleclass in this era. Unlike other wars, this economic war is televised and what the average American sees is ugly!

A basketball player can become a billionare, yet a factory worker now has to scrape buy on pitiful raises if any and no pension while being treated as a robot.

Posted by: culpeperson | July 8, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

It should also be reiterated that ALL poll numbers that appear ANTI-Dem or ANTI-Obama must be cut in half. This country voted FOR change and PROGRESSIVE, DEMOCRATIC values - but is receiving only Rahm Emanuel's corporatist "political expediency."

The public is decidedly ANTI-corporations and Wall Street, because even the politically oblivious see the news. There is no question that an essentially unregulated Wall Street's speculation caused the economic, housing and employment recession; and the same deregulation is responsible for the mounting deaths in the energy "industries," Coal, Gas and Oil.

Likewise, unregulated corporate (and even "small" who only aspire to corporate abuse) businesses' corruption of government, 'legally' MURDERING (HC, 3750 Americans dying PER MONTH,) for gain, cannot and must not be allowed to continue. Whatever happened to "fixing" (adding teeth against abusive increases in the form of a Public Option to) the crippled HC Bill they passed?

Posted by: WKCg | July 9, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

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