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Bachmann and Angle agree: State aid is "laundered" money for Dems

On Fox News, Sharron Angle appeared to agree with Michele Bachmann when the latter claimed the $26 billion in state aid passed by Democrats constitutes money being "laundered through the public employee unions" for use by Dem candidates this fall.

This latest from Angle has prompted Harry Reid to directly attack Angle for the first time (he usually leaves this to surrogates) by posting video of the moment and criticizing her in a press release for opposing "just about any effort to protect jobs in Nevada."

Angle also appeared to say that the jobs emergency Reid keeps alluding to exists "only in Harry Reid's mind."

I wanted to highlight these quotes for a reason that goes beyond the back and forth between Angle and Reid. Here you're seeing the direct consequences of the rising influence of Bachmann and the Tea Party: Criticism of everything Dems do has to be tinged with allegations of vaguely criminal intent. Watch:

"Taxpayer money will essentially be laundered through the public employee unons, and spent to reelect those same Democrats this fall," Bachmann said, speaking about the $26 billion in state aid. "And it will be used to go after the Republicans who refused to vote for the program."

A bit later, Angle said Bachmann had it right: "The emergency is only in Harry Reid's mind. As Michele put it so succinctly, this is an emergency for the Democrats, a way to solifidy the base, if you will, with our taxpayer dollars."

Keep in mind that Angle dismissed the BP escrow money secured by the White House as a "slush fund," an assertion she later retracted. Call it the Bachmann-ization of GOP candidates: The constant elevation of the rhetorical stakes to the point where good faith disagreement is no longer possible or even desirable.

The Tea Party hallucinations have grown so overheated that politics can no longer merely be clash of visions or ideologies. It's about rescuing the republic from evildoers. Everything Democrats do must of necessity be nefarious, even vaguely criminal.

By Greg Sargent  |  August 11, 2010; 3:28 PM ET
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Greg,

Has Bachmann been heard from recently?

I seem to recall that she canceled some appearances, back a couple of weeks ago, and was said to be returning home because of some health issue.

What the health issue was, has not been reported. Perhaps she returned home to undertake treatment for to reverse the effects of having suffered from a sudden bout of sanity!

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Any reason that Greg hasn't mentioned Reid's rather odd remarks regarding those of hispanic heritage?

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Yesterday, Harry Reid said: "I don't know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican."

...

"It's outrageous. It's ridiculous," Rubio said of Reid's comments. "You know, Americans of Hispanic descent, you know the strongest issue there is? That is economic empowerment--upward mobility. My parents worked every single day to work to give me and my siblings opportunities that they didn't have.

"There's only one economic system in the world that that's possible in time and again and that's the American free enterprise system. And the reason why Americans of Hispanic descent should be Republicans is because the Democratic leadership is trying to dismantle the American free enterprise system--the only system in the world where parents like mine, who work hard and play by the rules, can give their children the opportunities they themselves did not have."

"The point is [Reid's] wrong," Rubio concluded. "The fundamental issues of this campaign are no different for Americans of Hispanic descent than they are for anybody else: and that's economic empowerment and the desire to be able to live in a country where, if you work hard not only can you do better for yourself, you can leave your children better off than you were."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/rubio-reids-comment-hispanics-outrageous-ridiculous

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Why are the Dems not taking advantage of this. If we elect Republicans you can be sure of less police, firemen and teachers in the classroom. Not to mention some street lights will be turned off and trash collection will move to once a month.

Posted by: soapm | August 11, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Focus On The Family to run State wide TV spots, during Denver Bronco Games.

A Modest Proposal:

They should feature Newt speaking in those commercials.

After all he has a lot of personal Family Values experience that he could convey to the viewers.

When it comes to Families: Newt has Focused them to a fare the well, again and again, in his own personal life.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"There are about 250,000 Hispanic voters in Nevada, about 50,000 of which register Republican. No telling how many Hispanic voters -- Republican and Democrat -- vote for the individual candidate and not a straight party ticket, like most Americans do. For Harry Reid to say that all Hispanics should then vote only for Democrats like himself is like calling a good cross section of Hispanic Nevadans little short of stupid.

"And lest we forget, polls show that Nevada voters (which include that Hispanic electorate) are on the verge of overwhelmingly voting into office the state's first Hispanic governor, Brian Sandoval. A dreaded Republican. What is that -- stupid squared?"

http://www.lvrj.com/blogs/sherm/Harry_Reid_and_those_stupid_Nevada_Hispanics.html

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

sbj3, he told you the other day he does one post a day on the NV Senate race but he really doesn't post about the race he posts about Sharron Angle. Hence no coverage of Reid. He really does one post a day about one half of the race. This blog should be titled The Angle Line.

Posted by: Truthteller12 | August 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons why Harry Reid wonders why any Hispanics would vote Republican:

" Hispanic media journalists are tracking the Senate campaign alongside their English language colleagues. But the editor of Spanish language newspaper El Tiempo says in 30 years, he’s never experienced such a shutout as his team is getting from Angle’s campaign.

“We never receive information, press releases, information on the place for talking with the community. Nothing,” said Editor in Chief Hernando Amaya. [...]

Miguel Barrientos with KLAV-AM says calls to the Angle campaign go unanswered for weeks, leaving Hispanic media outlets at a loss to inform the community about the issues that affect them. … In contrast, Angle campaign spokespeople give statements and issue press releases to English language reporters. [...]

The Angle campaign held an event on Monday. 8 News NOW and Hispanic media outlets were not invited. "

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"Everything Democrats do must of necessity be nefarious, even vaguely criminal."

Right. So what's your point?

Posted by: AkCoyote | August 11, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Just amazing. While the right wing noise machine is ginning up complaints about the OPTICS of Michelle Obama's vacation...in other words griping about appearance not reality..Laura Bush...other first ladies have all taken vacations and guess what? They all had Secret Service protection and none of these people are poor so they are able to afford a decent vacation.

Meanwhile the left wing is ginning up noise about two extremists from the Tea Party in the Republican party who are actually saying the Democrats have committed a crime. And if we really want to talk about OPTICS...how does this look... "The emergency is in Harry Reid's mind" Somebody put these ladies out of their misery. CAN YOU FREAKING HERE US NEVADA AND MINNESOTA?

Can you imagine being unemployed for six months...part of double digits unemployment and then hearing Sharon Angle say your situation is not an emergency...it's only in Harry Reid's mind.

Truly righties. We don't dislike you or wish to call you names. We dislike some of the hypocrites like Newt Gingrich...I'm having an affair while I'm trying to prosecute Clinton for the EXACT SAME BEHAVIOR...but Newt is cunning and smart
I completely loathe the fat pig a couple hundred miles to the south of me. I find Rush Limbaugh to be disgraceful but again he has a brain.

These two women are simply not very bright.
I feel sorry for Sharron Angle...I think she might be a very nice lady who is simply in way waaaaay over her head.

Bachmann and Palin are projecting. They are the traitors who want to shred our Constitution and do EVERYTHING they can to be hateful and divisive.

Of course I'm not sure if this post is from a "real" American. I mean I'm 4 or 5th generation...not an "anchor baby" but who was Palin talking about when she said "real" America. Is Florida in "real" America? If you disagree 100% with Sister Sarah does that make you an "unreal" American. And if we're going to round up the wetback, anchor baby, thieves from over the border (did I leave out any pejeroratives there righties?) and ship them all back to Mexico does that mean if Sister Sarah gets elected she'll propose a Constitutional Amendment to ship the rest of us "unreal" Americans out of the country?

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 11, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

This is naked racial pandering. Reid just stepped in it (again) big time.

No defense. He's trying, though:

"Harry Reid's campaign is spinning his statement--... claiming that Reid wasn't making a racial argument."
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"In fact, Laura Meyers of the Las Vegas Review Journal reports that Reid made his comment in the context of a discussion about immigration policy and suggested that some want to treat Hispanics differently because "their skin's a tone darker."
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"The clear implication of the "their skin's a tone darker than ours" line is that some if not all of those who oppose Reid on immigration are motivated by racism. In other words, Reid's campaign isn't doubling down on his remark so much as it's trying to weasel its way out."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/reid-suggests-opponents-want-target-hispanics-because-their-skins-tone-darker

http://www.lvrj.com/news/reid-courts-hispanics-100418929.html

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the Republican Party isn't totally embarrassed by Bachman.

I keep hoping, "Maybe they are embarrassed. Maybe they realize she is nuttier than squirrel poo. Maybe the reason the party as a whole doesn't distance themselves from her is that they realize that a large chunk of their base is coo-coo-banana-puffs crazy and that Bachman is a perfect spokesman for that demographic."

That is a lot of maybe.

What does it say about the Republican Party that they allow someone like Bachman to represent them? Don't tell me they couldn't get her to zip it if they wanted to; the GOP is good at one thing and one thing only: message discipline.

You would think that letting someone* who is crazy talk for you would turn off the sane voters you may need to win elections.

Maybe the Republicans have come to the conclusion that ONLY crazy people will vote for them now, so why not double down on appealing to the tin foil hat crowd?

* Someone who none of us would be at all surprised to find eating bugs in a garden while explaining to anyone who will listen that cable set top boxes for the TV are actually mind control devices.

Posted by: nisleib | August 11, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Robbing Peter to Pay Paul"..that's the Democrats M.O.
Democrats couldn't solve problem if their
lives depended on it.
Spend, Spend, Spend... Bail-out, Bail-Out,
Bail-out.
Then tax the Hell out of Americans.
That's Democrat for you.

Posted by: ohioan | August 11, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obtuse Angle is the one engaging in Racial Pandering.

Harry Reid talks to all the Media.

Obtuse Angle is shutting out the Hispanic Media.


One of the reasons why Harry Reid wonders why any Hispanics would vote Republican:

" Hispanic media journalists are tracking the Senate campaign alongside their English language colleagues. But the editor of Spanish language newspaper El Tiempo says in 30 years, he’s never experienced such a shutout as his team is getting from Angle’s campaign.

“We never receive information, press releases, information on the place for talking with the community. Nothing,” said Editor in Chief Hernando Amaya. [...]

Miguel Barrientos with KLAV-AM says calls to the Angle campaign go unanswered for weeks, leaving Hispanic media outlets at a loss to inform the community about the issues that affect them. … In contrast, Angle campaign spokespeople give statements and issue press releases to English language reporters. [...]

The Angle campaign held an event on Monday. 8 News NOW and Hispanic media outlets were not invited. "

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

As Senator Reid said:

he doesn't understand how anyone, Hispanic or otherwise, would vote for Republican candidates because they oppose saving teachers' jobs, oppose job-creating tax incentives for small businesses, oppose investments in job-creating clean energy projects, and oppose the help for struggling, unemployed Nevadans to put food on the table and stay in their homes.
"Nevadans are suffering in this economy. Senator Reid was rightly pointing out that Republicans like Sharron Angle who oppose job-creating measures and unemployment benefits, oppose emergency aid to save 1200 Nevada teachers, and who want to wipe out critical programs like Social Security and Medicare, are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The Reid camp also pointed out how Angle supports eliminating birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants, noting her use of the term "anchor babies," and that Angle has reportedly shunned the state's Hispanic media.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 11, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"President Barack Obama has lost the most trusted man in the Hispanic media.

"Univision’s Jorge Ramos, an anchor on the nation’s largest Spanish-language television network, says Obama broke his promise to produce an immigration reform bill within a year of taking office. And Latinos are tired of the speeches, disillusioned by the lack of White House leadership and distrustful of the president, Ramos told POLITICO."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40927.html#ixzz0wKWGIhRy

And Harry Reid is "terrified that Latinos won’t turn out for him in November after he broke his promise to get an amnesty bill through."

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/08/11/more-harry-reid-when-i-said-i-didnt-know-how-hispanics-could-be-republicans-i-meant-everyone-else-too/

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Republicans Rob the Poor to Give to The Super Rich.

That is why they destroyed an annual budget surplus, and turned it into a massive annual deficit.

Republicans have destroyed the working class, just to make Billionaires even fatter.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Yes indeed. Latinos will get a better immigration deal from Republicans.

Sounds like SBJ has been smoking a lot of Rand's Aqua Buddha stash.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Everything Democrats do must of necessity be nefarious, even vaguely criminal."

Right. So what's your point?

Posted by: AkCoyote | August 11, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

sbj: "And Harry Reid is "terrified that Latinos won’t turn out for him in November after he broke his promise to get an amnesty bill through."

http://hotair.com


Yeah...it's hot air alright.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 11, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Can Michelle Bachmann or one of her acolytes here explain why 70% of GOP Governors signed a letter supporting the aid-to-the-states bill if it was really "laundering money for the Dems"?

Posted by: Mimikatz | August 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Greg, I have the perfect solution... If republican governors don't want the aid, let the dems know and don't take it... do without fewer cops and teachers and municipal workers...

Posted by: ernestvjr | August 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

@sbj: ""Yesterday, Harry Reid said: "I don't know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican."

I'm of Hispanic heritage and based on the rhetoric surrounding the AZ immigration law, I agree with Reid. I also don't find anything he said the least bit odd or outrageous.

What's odd to me is that a political party would spend so much time and energy demonizing a group of people and then hope for their vote.

Let's see, so far the Repubs have managed to alienate the AA community, the Hispanic community and, based on the topic of this thread, their now doing their best to tick off teachers, policeman, and firefighters. Nice electoral strategy.

And they can drag Rubio out to try and give them credibility with the Hispanic community but it will work just as well as their plan to use Michael Steele for AA outreach. The Cuban community in FL has little to nothing in common with most of Hispanic immigrants in this country. Cubans have always enjoyed a political clout in this country that other Hispanics could only dream of. For him to try and relate his experience growing up in Miami to the struggles of most Hispanic immigrants is highly ludicrous.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 11, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Republicans just want to stop all Hispanic immigrants from ever becoming citizens. That way they will never be able to vote.

Since Republicans have gone all in with their strategy to woo nativists, by scapegoating hispanics, they have written of what many call the fastest growing voter group. Therefore, perhaps Republicans have decided to engage in tactics that would stop that growth in it's tracks, by making it almost impossible for any immigrants, even embryos, to ever become US Citizens.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I think every Tea Party Representative needs to be investigated for their Anti-American views.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Hispanics have got to LOVE the GOP but particularly the Texas GOP:

COOPER: Representative Riddle, you told my producer that pregnant women are coming here as tourists, having babies, and then going back home — quote — “with the nefarious purpose of turning them into little terrorists, who will then come back to the U.S. and do us harm.” You said it’s part of an organized terrorist element and could cost us lives. Where did you hear that?

RIDDLE: That is information that is coming to my office from former FBI officials.

COOPER: What former FBI officials — I mean, what evidence is there of some sort of long-term plot to have American babies born here and then become terrorists — raised as terrorists overseas and then come back here? [...]

RIDDLE: Well, actually, I — when your folks called me in the preliminary, that was part of the conversation. They did not tell me that you were going to grill me for this specific information that I was not ready to give to you tonight. They did not tell me that, sir.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/08/11/debbie-riddle-immigration/

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 11, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Greg:

"The constant elevation of the rhetorical stakes to the point where good faith disagreement is no longer possible or even desirable."

How amusing to see a leftist complain about the right questioning motives or making "good faith disagreement" impossible.

Let's see...anyone who objects to the building of the mosque/Islamic center/whatever is a bigot who doesn't care about constitutional rights...those who opposed Obamacare are shills for insurance companies who don't care about sick people...Dick Cheney is an immoral/evil person for (insert policy perference here)...and yet it is the right that is making honest disagreement impossible/undesireable?!?!?

The irony is palpable. As is your complete lack of self awareness, Greg.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 11, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

scat: "What's odd to me is that a political party would spend so much time and energy demonizing a group of people and then hope for their vote."

Yup, kinda like the GOBP beating the snot out of Charlie Crist, and then expecting he will caucus with them as if nothing happened.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 11, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Forget Aqua Buddha:

Rand Paul In Hot Water After Suggesting Fancy Farm Was 'Wild Picnic' That Served Beer

"We were in a place called Fancy Farm, which is just a wild picnic where they boo your entire speech...And it's a very partisan thing, and you do worry about people throwing beer on you and throwing things at you, so it is kind of wild thing to run for office."

That did not sit well with organizers of the event. "We have never known of any objects being thrown, and especially we've never heard of any problems with beer being thrown," Fancy Farm host Mark Wilson, a parishioner at the Catholic church that hosts the event, told the Louisville Courier-Journal. "It's the perception that we just have a bunch of rowdy, beer-drinking folks there, and that's a perception we don't want at St. Jerome."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/rand-paul-in-hot-water-for-insinuating-that-beer-was-served-at-fancy-farm.php

Comment by KY Yellow Dog:

"As someone who was actually there at this year's Fancy Farm and in previous years and had to smuggle in my own alcohol, thank you very much, I have to say that Evan and the commenters are missing the point.

The real issue here is not beer; it's Paul's gratuitous insult of his very own base - conservative rural Kentuckians. His remarks made it clear he thought Fancy Farm was a joke and a waste of time, and implied he was just pacifying the rubes by attending.

The blatant lies in his non-apology have just made it worse."

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

anyone who objects to the building of the mosque/Islamic center/whatever is a bigot who doesn't care about constitutional rights

What is the basis of your objection, Scott?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 11, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

This guy is speaking at the VALUE VOTERS SUMMIT in September alongside Palin, Bachmann, etc:

Top Social Conservative: 'No More Mosques, Period'

Bryan Fischer, the "Director of Issues Analysis" for the American Family Association, wrote a blog post yesterday on the AFA's site arguing that the United States should have "no more mosques, period."

"This is for one simple reason," he writes. "Each Islamic mosque is dedicated to the overthrow of the American government."

Fischer, who is scheduled to speak at the Value Voters Summit in September alongside Michele Bachmann, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Mitch McConnell, and a host of other Republican politicians, writes that every mosque "is a potential jihadist recruitment and training center, and determined to implement the 'Grand Jihad.'" He adds that "because of this subversive ideology, Muslims cannot claim religious freedom protections under the First Amendment. They are currently using First Amendment freedoms to make plans to destroy the First Amendment altogether."

[...]

"Permits should not be granted to build even one more mosque in the United States of America, let alone the monstrosity planned for Ground Zero," Fischer says.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/top_social_conservative_no_more_mosques_period.php

The Republican Party is all about values, alright. Christian fundamentalist values, but NOT American values.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Ben Quayle Admits Writing For Trashy Frat Boy Web Site Three Years Ago

The story took off, however, and Quayle admitted to local media that he had been involved.

"I just posted comments to try to drive some traffic," he told a local news station. He told another outlet he wrote "two, possibly three" posts.

He also acknowledged that he had referred Karamian to an intellectual property lawyer who Quayle, also a lawyer, was working with at the time.

Angered by Quayle's denials, Karamian has been posting on Quayle since, claiming Quayle had sex with a stranger in Karamian's house and asking, "How could you forget the crazy hooker?" In one post he wrote to Quayle, "I hope you rot in hell."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/ben_quayle_admits_writing_for_obnoxious_web_site_t.php

Another Republican "Values Voter" no doubt.

WTF IS UP WITH REPUBLICANS?!?!?! SERIOUSLY!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"Aanyone who objects to the building of the mosque/Islamic center/whatever is a bigot who doesn't care about constitutional rights."

"According to the new survey out Wednesday, nearly 70 percent of all Americans oppose the controversial plan to build the mosque... Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/11/overwhelming-majority-oppose-mosque-near-ground-zero/

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

LOL

GOP Congressman To Sarah Palin: Get Out Of The Endorsement Business

"U.S. Congressman Jack Kingston (R-Georgia) says Sarah Palin should mind her own business and keep out of Peach State politics -- and politics in other states too.

The harsh criticism comes on the heels of the ex-Alaska Governor's decision to actively campaign for unsuccessful Georgia gubernatorial candidate Karen Handel who lost to Nathan Deal in the state's GOP primary runoff on Tuesday.

"Why Sarah Palin decided to get in the race is beyond me," explained Kingston in an appearance on "America's Morning News" with John McCaslin and Amy Holmes. "I don't know why she feels compelled to get into primaries all over the country, but fortunately Georgia voters are doing their own thinking on things like this."

When asked if he thought Palin should refrain from wading into primary election match-ups in general, the Georgia congressman responded, "I wish she will."

And the conservative congressman isn't the only member of the Georgia GOP community to express dissatisfaction with Palin's involvement in the state's political scene.

Prior to Tuesday's runoff, Georgia State House Speaker David Ralston (R) said, "I would want to know how long Governor Palin has known Secretary Handel and how long she's known Congressman Deal." (He added that his own endorsement of Deal was based on decades of friendship.)

"I don't do these things lightly," he said of the process that leads him to support a particular candidate. "I don't do them to write a book or get on a talk show."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/11/georgia-gop-congressman-i_n_678880.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 11, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargant, have you registered with the FEC as a registered lobbyist for the DNC?

Your tripe is rather juvenile, Sonny!

Posted by: numbersch13 | August 11, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

@Ethat2010: "WTF IS UP WITH REPUBLICANS?!?!?! SERIOUSLY!"

Easy enough to answer: Everything Republicans do must of necessity be nefarious, even vaguely criminal.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 11, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Senators representing their parties, not their states

The first shows how Democratic and Republican senators voted on the relief funding. As you can see, there was virtually no breaking of ranks. If you knew a senator's party, you could predict their vote almost perfectly.

Compare that with this graph grouping votes by unemployment rate. [...] As you can see, there's plenty of crossover. Knowing the unemployment rate of a state wouldn't be of much help in predicting a senator's vote.

Senators, in other words, are representing their parties, not their states.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/08/senators_representing_their_pa.html

Sad.

Just sad.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Kevin - This isn't nefarious or criminal, it is stupid and/or crazy.

And no, all Republicans aren't crazy and/or stupid. But they sure do rely on the votes of the crazy and/or stupid.

Posted by: nisleib | August 11, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

@sbj3 : What is your point? Minority rights are often unpopular with the majority. Take the segregated south for a fairly recent example. Jim Crow had to be popular since the politicians and officials who administered american apartheid were reelected repeatedly. Certainly southern congresscritters also elected by the people spent much of their time in congress fighting the dismantling of Jim Crow.

Fortunately, that is why we have the constitution and the judiciary, to counteract the whims of the mob...

Many people would like to invalidate treaties signed with native american tribes. Unfortunately, during the 19th century the rule of the mob made those legal contracts inoperative as people settled indian lands. The remnants of the native population now are having to protect their hunting and fishing rights guaranteed by treaty from American hunters and fisherman that claim their treaty rights are not fair....

Minorities don't really fare well in opinion polls when they do something the majority doesn't like. Again that's why we have the bill of rights...

Posted by: srw3 | August 11, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

America: We Is STUPIT!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100811/od_yblog_upshot/behold-americas-educational-system-captured-in-a-single-photograph

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

@srw: "@sbj3: What is your point?"

That 54 percent of Democrats are bigots who don't care about constitutional rights.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 11, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Mr Sargent is desperately trying to put lipstick on this Democrat Pig.

The facts are straightforward: The differential between government employee compensation and private sector compensation is vast. It is also now widely known by the taxpayers.

Of course the liberals can blame that right wing blowtorch USA today for much of the damage, but I must admit that Christie is doing a great job of illustrating the truly disgraceful cycle in which that government unions have taxpayers trapped.

The dynamics of the process are also widely known and well understood: unions contribute to Democrat politicians who then raid the treasury on behalf of the unions. Rome is burning.

Bachmann and Angle are merely echoing a sentiment that is widely held on the right. Bluster from liberals isn't the same as a valid rationale for the spending. The good old "its for the kids" argument just won't work anymore. We're not buying it.

It is interesting that while all of this is getting so much attention, the Democrats are discussing tax increases. Lambs to the slaughter.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | August 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Everything Republicans do must of necessity be nefarious, even vaguely criminal."

The guy writes for a soft-porn blog and calls Obama the worst President in history and THAT is your comeback?

Please Kevin. Apparently even you have limits to your good senses. Way to stand by your party of "Values".

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

So, now local zoning decisions, all over the country, shall be decided by a nation wide poll, before any new construction, or rehabbing can be authorized?!

There are bigots in all walks of life, and in all political affiliations. Polls do not validate irrational mob collective guilt impulses.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

So, skippy, you're comparing the compensation of police and firefighters to who in the private sector?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 11, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Irony of the Week hands down.

"""New York imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, best known as the man who hopes to build the Cordoba House in lower Manhattan, has been asked by the State Department to travel to the Middle East to assist with the government's diplomatic agenda in the region.

Adam Serwer notes the key detail here: the State Department has "a long-term relationship" with Rauf -- which included the Bush administration sending him on a similar tour."""

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_08/025164.php

PATHETIC!!!!! CAN'T EVEN KEEP THEIR LIES STRAIGHT ANYMORE!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Sharron Obtuse Angle does not want to waste taxpayers' money paying for school teachers. After all; their work would be wasted on her followers. You can't educate a mountain of turnips.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"Bachmann and Angle are merely echoing a sentiment that is widely held on the right."

That's true. You and your ilk are. ALL. NUTS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

You left out the most important part of the story Ethan --

"It is unacceptable that US taxpayers are being forced to fund Feisal Abdul Rauf's trip to the Middle East," say Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R) of Florida and Peter King (R) of New York in a statement issued Tuesday. "This radical is a terrible choice to be one of the faces or our country overseas. The USA should be using public diplomacy programs to combat extremism," they add, "not to endorse it."

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 11, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party of Loons. Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave now.

Posted by: wilder5121 | August 11, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

You left out the most important part of the story Ethan --

"It is unacceptable that US taxpayers are being forced to fund Feisal Abdul Rauf's trip to the Middle East," say Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R) of Florida and Peter King (R) of New York in a statement issued Tuesday. "This radical is a terrible choice to be one of the faces or our country overseas. The USA should be using public diplomacy programs to combat extremism," they add, "not to endorse it."

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 11, 2010 5:36 PM

....................

Those Republicans are a little late with their "Extremist" alert. Where were they when Bush/Cheney were using him as a goodwill ambassador?

As always: Republicans try to have it both ways. Do as they say, not as they have done.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Breaking news: Jurors in former Gov. Blagojevich's corruption trial tell judge they cannot reach agreement on ‘any given count.’

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

cm, I actually had:

INSERT LUNATIC REPUBLICAN QUOTES HERE

...in between brackets but the software stripped it because it thought it was html.

Thanks for the save tho :)

Do Republicans THINK before they make these quotations? Or better, do they THINK, period?!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, I long for the days when all we had to worry about was whether Jack Kennedy would listen to the Pope instead of following the constitution.

Hey, Obtuse Angle would dig that, eh?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | August 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I love it when liberals call me "skippy". It tells me that I'm dealing with a lackluster intellect (at best).

As insults go, its a failure, but hey, its also the best you've got.

Yes, as a matter of fact I am comparing the deal that all government employees have with private sector employees.

Sorry to have to tell you this sonny but the unfunded pension liabilities that our governments face is measured in the trillions. Police, fire, bureaucrat, teacher's aid, all have to be brought under better control.

Why should a government employee, yes, even a policeman or a fireman, retire at age 55? Why should their pensions be defined benefit instead of what the vast majority of Americans in the private sector live with: defined contribution? Why should government employees be allowed to game the system with sudden disability claims and double dipping.

Of course in the minds of thoughtless liberals, such as cmccauley60, none of this matters. We'll just tax the rich and borrow from our grandchildren (the ones the liberals don't abort that is) so why worry?
What the liberals face now is nothing less than a massive repudiation of their agenda. America is waking up to the game.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | August 11, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I love it when a liberal calls me "skippy". It tells me that I'm dealing with a lackluster intellect (at best).

As insults go, its a failure, but hey, its also the best you've got.

Yes, as a matter of fact I am comparing the deal that all government employees have with private sector employees.

Sorry to have to tell you this sonny but the unfunded pension liabilities that our governments face is measured in the trillions. Police, fire, bureaucrat, teacher's aid, all have to be brought under better control.

Why should a government employee, yes, even a policeman or a fireman, retire at age 55? Why should their pensions be defined benefit instead of what the vast majority of Americans in the private sector live with: defined contribution? Why should government employees be allowed to game the system with sudden disability claims and double dipping?

Of course in the minds of thoughtless liberals, such as cmccauley60, none of this matters. We'll just tax the rich and borrow from our grandchildren (the ones the liberals don't abort that is) so why worry?
What the liberals face now is nothing less than a massive repudiation of their agenda. America is waking up to the game.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | August 11, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

He just asked not to be called Skippy, and lamented that he is being considered as not being very intelligent.

Then he proceeded to toss in abortion; to the subject of government employees compensation costs.

I hope that the self inflicted shot in his foot heals soon.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Q) Why should a government employee, yes, even a policeman or a fireman, retire at age 55?

A) Because walking a beat and putting out fires is not an easy thing for someone in their 60s to do? But really it is because they negotiated it in their contracts.

Q) Why should their pensions be defined benefit instead of what the vast majority of Americans in the private sector live with: defined contribution?

A) A lot of companies have (or used to have) defined benefit plans as well. It has to do with the contract they signed when they took the job.

These items that seem to upset you are mostly matters of employment law. The workers made a deal when they took the job, now people like you are saying it is a bad deal that never should have been offered. Well, okay, but if you can go back and rewrite their employment contracts years after the fact well, your job could be next.

You seem to want employers to be able to change the law (or legally binding employment contracts) whenever they want to. It doesn't work that way. And thank God for that!

PS - Since people calling you "Skippy" means that you are dealing with lackluster intellects (at best), what does your calling people "sonny" say about your intellect?

Posted by: nisleib | August 11, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

sbj3, you are right about Hispanics. as a "brown-skinned person," I can tell you that informed Latins and hispanics are turning REPUBLICAN in record numbers.

We have realized that progressives (Marxists) use race to promote hate and manipulate uneducated blacks and Latins and other groups into believing that their socialist programs would help them.

The truth is just the opposite. Socialist programs create a plantation mentality that keeps blacks and others poor and enslaved.

INFORMED Americans, including blacks and Latins, are against Obamacare and the rest of the "help-the-poor" socialist/Marxist scams.

That's why record numbers of INFORMED and PATRIOTIC blacks and Latins are seeking office as REPUBLICANS and voting for REPUBLICANS like Angle.

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 11, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

oh, and one other example of sleazy Democrat politicians using unions to fund campaigns:

In Ohio Teddy the failure Strickland is facing an uphill battle. He needs mo' money for his campaign coffers.

So what's a boy to do? Well he issued an executive order which mandated that all in home day care providers JOIN AFSCME. So AFSCME gets a cash infusion which they then donate to Strickland's campaign. In the meantime these day care providers are out the union dues the now MUST pay. they never even got to vote on it.

This is from the Columbus Dispatch:
"The workers provide services to low-income Ohioans and are paid through the state's Medicaid or subsidized child-care programs. As a result, Ohio GOP Chairman Kevin DeWine has suggested that taxpayers are helping to finance Strickland's re-election bid with what he calls "money laundering" because worker dues or assessments can be used for political spending."

Gosh, will ya look at that. The term "money laundering" in use waaaaay back in June. I guess Ms Pelosi took a page from teddy fail's playbook.
Here's another snippet from the same story:
"Still, the governor's orders will allow Ohio Council 8 of AFSCME to collect about $2.1 million during the next year from the roughly 7,000 self-employed child-care providers."

Note well that these people are SELF EMPLOYED. Strickland just hammered them for his own benefit.

Just plain sleazy.

I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to read a liberal's explanation of the morality of that move by ohio's soon to be ex govenor. It should make for a fine example of pretzel logic.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | August 11, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/happy_hour_roundup_70.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 11, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"The workers provide services to low-income Ohioans and are paid through the state's Medicaid or subsidized child-care programs.

.................

Which means they are on the government payroll, not independent contractors, who get paid by private employers.

That make you a liar; Skippy.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

"sleazy"

Dan Quayle's son wrote for a soft-porn blog.

Linda McMahon made millions promoting misogyny, sex, and drugs.

Newt Gingrich proposed to a woman while he was married... TWICE!

HAHAHAHAHA "SKIPPY" HAHAHA!!!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 11, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

First, falsely accuse your Democratic opponents of some horrible crime, i.e. Death panels, reverse racism, money laundering.
Then, propose to actually justify those things as Republicans since "the Dems did it first". See: Paul Ryan medicare voucher scheme, real racism against Sherrod, and Delay-Abramoff money laundering.

Posted by: karenfink | August 11, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Truly, Greg, this post makes you so comically hypocritical as to forfeit all expectation of being taken seriously by any serious persons. It is even funnier given that I was just listening to your savior Marxist president darkly warning of the nefarious, quasicriminal, possibly foreign nature of citizen groups who resist his radicalism.

Posted by: quarterback1 | August 11, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Toon Town Lawyer never fails to entertain, with his Blubbering Blustering Shower Of Babble. Always good for comic relief. What an Ultra Maroon!!!

Posted by: Liam-still | August 11, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Speaking truth to power, what's wrong with that?! Thieving thugs are in charge in the country right now and dirty harry pounces reflexively as he knows all too well the REAL facts!

Posted by: pouran-doukht | August 11, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"Taxpayer money will essentially be laundered through the public employee unons, and spent to reelect those same Democrats this fall..."
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As opposed to, say, corporate money being funneled through center-leaning Democratic candidates to "urinate" on organized labor? I'm not suggesting that one side isn't generally worse than the other (if only because there are more of them) or that two wrongs somehow cancel each other out, but you have to admit that the radical right wing doesn't enjoy any particular monopoly on over-the-top rhetoric or the habit of portraying any policy position they disagree as outright villainy.

Posted by: CalD | August 11, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

@ Skippy
You must be from Greene County, Ohio. That explains a whole lot. Never more happy to leave a place in my life. Full of holier than thou, racist, climbers.

Posted by: DinOH | August 11, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

cmcauley60:

"What is the basis of your objection, Scott?"

I don't particularly have any objection...symbolism is not generally all
that important to me. But I can understand why others might have objections
to it, and I certainly wouldn't accuse those who do object to it of being
bigots or of not caring about the constitution or constitutional rights, as
our host and his sycophants here continually have done.

Again, the irony here is palpable. (The left is a never ending source of
unintended irony.). The very same people who, for example, have no problem
passing laws preventing places of business from allowing smoking on their
premises, or who see no constitutional issues at all with forcing
individuals to purchase a product (health insurance) from a private
company, or who have propagated all manner of zoning restrictions telling
people what they can and can't do with their own property, or who are
constantly seeking ways of subverting the constitutional right to bear
arms, are suddenly all appalled and start pontificating on the
constitution when others become angry over what seems at minimum a highly
insensitive decision and at worst a blatant provocation.

As I said, the irony and the hypocrisy is palpable.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 11, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"It is interesting that while all of this is getting so much attention, the Democrats are discussing tax increases. Lambs to the slaughter. " It is also interesting that income taxes are the lowest in my lifetime and I'm not young and Repubs complain that taxes are too high. It is also sad that Repubs think you can cut taxes, wage wars, and reduce the deficit all at the same time. They want to cut spending but when introduced to facts about what the spending is on they say "don't touch my Medicare or SS." Any one who defends Repub policies must make quite a bit of money and worry about any of it being taken away from them. Meanwhile they defend the Repubs who have done nothing for this country over the last forty years and haven't funded any of their own spending measures yet when out of power whine about the deficit and our grandchildren. They ignore the fact that Reagan doubled the defit and W tripled it and would not even include his wars in the budget. And on top of all this let's look at the Repubs in leadership positions and others who are proposed to do so in the future. Boehner, McDonnel, Palin, Bachman, and Gingrich for a start. Can you think of a worse group of people to lead our country with its current problems ? You people are just nuts. I know some intelligent considerate Repubs and they can't even defend these jerks.

Posted by: Falmouth1 | August 12, 2010 6:10 AM | Report abuse

Another reason to vote for Angle:

Obamacare will cut $575 billion in Medicare during the next 10 years, $2.9 trillion over the next 20 years. The Chief Actuary for Medicare reports that ultimately under Obamacare Medicare payment rates will be only ONE THIRD of that paid by private insurance and ONLY HALF of that paid by Medicaid.

As a result, few over 65 will have much health care, much less quality health care. Palin was right about Obama’s DEATH PANELS!

We’ll vote for Angle!

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 12, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

skipsailing28, great points! You must be very proud of the insults of progressives. As a general rule, the more progressives insult someone, the better that person is and the more his or her comments are true, valid and to the point.

That's why also many of us are realizing we must support Sharron Angle.

Many of us did not know about Angle until progressives began demonizing her with the frenzy of wild dogs!

When we considered what she’s REALLY saying and WHY she’s saying it, we couldn't agree with her more. And we admire her courage to tell the truth!

Informed Americans understand that, if progressives demonize Angle, she must be great for the country.

She'll help us REPEAL the Obamacare scam that Reid forced us to swallow.

Angle is great for Nevada and the U.S.!

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 13, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

ScottC3, I agree with you about the irony and the hypocrisy of Democrats, currently controlled by Marxist and U.S. enemies.

In the Orwellian world of progressives -- in which good is evil, sin is virtue,
left is right, war is peace -- what will actually harm the U.S. is "good" for the U.S.

One of the lastest examples: New York Post’s Geoff Earle and Brendan Scott report, “The imam behind a plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero is set to depart on a multi-country jaunt to the Middle East funded by the State Department -- raising concerns that taxpayers may be helping him with the controversial project's $100 million fund-raising goal.”

State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley called Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf “a distinguished Muslim cleric,” with whom the State Department has a long-term relationship, having already funded two similar missions for Rauf..."

Why are we U.S. taxpayers funding a mission trip to increase worldwide understanding of American Islam, and when can we expect to fund a similar trip on behalf of Christianity?

Posted by: AntonioSosa | August 13, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

sbj3...you may want to get off the internet and read a book. you can thank to the GOP and constant deregulation of various industries since the early 80's and the end of tax progressivity. they have given this country away to the lobbyists and the top 2%. the rich in the US pay the least amount of taxes as compared to every other industrialized country. that means that the poor and middle class have to pay more.

Posted by: t-dean | August 14, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

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