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* Former Bush Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has now joined those urging GOPers to drop their 14th amendment crazy talk.

* Relatedly, former Bushies are pleading with today's Republicans and conservatives to stop demagoguing on the "mosque." At this rate, the Bush administration is going to be looked back on more fondly by liberal Dems than by Republicans!

* It's kind of amazing that the White House had to release a long statement today reaffirming that Obama is a Christian. Your tax dollars at work!

* Bill Clinton may have been Obama's fiercest rival when Hillary was running for president, but now he really is going all out in defending Obama's record and stumping for Dems all over the country.

* Obama keeps hammering Republicans to pass the jobs bill, and accuses the GOP of not acting "in good faith."

* Not that facts matter, but Obama has has taken less vacation time than Bush had by the same period in his first term.

* Sarah Palin has now taken to her Facebook page to defend Dr. Laura, which is her version of taking this on in a serious way.

* And: Eric Boehlert wants to know whether Palin's declaration has "nationalized" the Dr. Laura story and whether other Republicans will be pressed on whether they agree with Palin on this.

* Mea culpa of the day: Matt Yglesias says he backed the Iraq War partly because "I was 21 years old and kind of a jerk."

* Kudos to Russ Feingold for having the courage to speak out in support of Cordoba House, even though he's locked in a tough race for reelection.

* Glenn Greenwald thoroughly works over Howard Dean over his vacillating opposition to the project.

* And this extraordinary chyron from CNN, flagged by Dave Weigel, may help explain why a large majority of those who think Obama is a Muslim say they "learned" it from the media:

cnnmuslim.JPG

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  |  August 19, 2010; 6:00 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections , Foreign policy and national security , Happy Hour Roundup , economy  
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more recess appointments:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_recess_appointments

Posted by: sbj3 | August 19, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

You better flag this. It looks like a scam. He keeps posting it over and over.

Notice the language: " a portion of" That is a huge red flag.

"

A portion of all proceeds will support the construction of Cordoba House GZM.

Please give generously...

http://helpcordoba.bbnow.org/

Posted by: daveredhat | August 19, 2010 5:11 PM

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin has now taken to her Facebook page to defend Dr. Laura, which is her version of taking this on in a serious way.

* And: Eric Boehlert wants to know whether Palin's declaration has "nationalized" the Dr. Laura story and whether other Republicans will be pressed on whether they agree with Palin on this.

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Maybe they should press BPublicans on whether they agree with Dr. Laura's 1st Amendment assessment of Palin.

Just days after Palin was chosen by McCain for VP candidacy:

"Sarah Palin and Motherhood
September 2, 2008 on 1:35 pm

I am extremely disappointed in the choice of Sarah Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate of the Republican Party. I will still vote for Senator McCain, because I am very concerned about having a fundamental leftist, especially one who is a marvelous orator, as President.

...

I’m stunned - couldn’t the Republican Party find one competent female with adult children to run for Vice President with McCain? I realize his advisors probably didn’t want a “mature” woman, as the Democrats keep harping on his age. But really, what kind of role model is a woman whose fifth child was recently born with a serious issue, Down Syndrome, and then goes back to the job of Governor within days of the birth?"

Bristol Palin’s Baby Daddy Talks
April 9, 2009

During the election, Mrs. Palin paraded her pregnant daughter and the sperm donor around to display family values, saying they were “engaged.” That, too, was a disgusting display, especially with John McCain embracing this shameful young man on international television.

http://www.drlaurablog.com/category/sarah-palin/

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

@greg: * Relatedly, former Bushies pleading with today's Republicans and conservatives to stop demagoguing on the "mosque."

Greg, this link is broken.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's some future for ya, GOP!

Influential Donor May Bolt From GOP Over Anti-Muslim Hysteria

An influential Muslim GOP donor is at the end of her tether, and tells TPM she may eventually have to leave the Republican party over its opposition to the Cordoba House project and other anti-Muslim positions.

"I don't know if I'll be a Republican a year from now," says Seeme Hasan, who chairs the Hasan Family Foundation in Colorado, and has close ties to the Republican party leadership. Hasan's frustration with the GOP was evident, and not just over their public opposition to the construction of a Muslim cultural center in lower Manhattan. "Every time a Muslim person becomes famous, they are viciously attacked," Hasan said.

"The past few years in the Republican party has been constant humiliation for Muslims," Hasan told TPM in an interview yesterday evening.


Over the past decade, Hasan said, she and her husband have given over a million dollars to the Republican party, and it was evident in conversation with her that she's on a first name basis with party party leaders. "All Republicans in Washington know us," Hasan said. "They could have called to say, 'Hey we are going to come out against this mosque, what do you think?' It's sad."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/influential-donor-may-bolt-from-gop-over-anti-muslim-hysteria.php?ref=fpa

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Howard Dean's Democracy For America Breaks With Him On Mosque Debate

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/howard-deans-democracy-fo_n_688148.html

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Funny Palin endorses Dr. Laura's right to use the N word 11 times on the air but forgets to ask "but should she?" As far as I remember she wasn't too happy when Rahm called progressive effing retarded and he ended up apologizing to Americans with disabilities. She told Dr. Laura "don't retreat......reload". In other words don't bend to criticism, ironic. Oh wait.......moderate Muslims please rethink this "stab in the heart" to 9/11 victims....Dr. Laura.......you go girl.

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks, sue, link fixed.

and all, seriously, check out the screen capture of the CNN chyron. It's really amazing.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 19, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

And let us not forget Former Half Term Governor but Full Term Hypocrite Palin's attacks on Dave Letterman for expressing his First Amendment right to make jokes about her daughter.

Posted by: zattarra | August 19, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"and all, seriously, check out the screen capture of the CNN chyron. It's really amazing."

OH.MY.GOD.ALLAH.

It says, "New Developments: WH: Obama isn't Muslim."

facepalm facepalm facepalm


Yeah, it truly is the media, Greg. It is the F*ING Media.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"It's kind of amazing that the White House had to release a long statement today reaffirming that Obama is a Christian. Your tax dollars at work!"

No way. That's just stupid to respond to. Some things, it's just beneath the office of the presidency to respond to, I don't care who you are.

@suekzoo1: "It says, "New Developments: WH: Obama isn't Muslim."

Oh, wait, this just in. Obama is also not an Icelandic National. So, it's been confirmed. Not an Icelandic National. No relation to Bjork. Definitely got that figured out now.

"'I don't know if I'll be a Republican a year from now,' says Seeme Hasan, who chairs the Hasan Family Foundation in Colorado, and has close ties to the Republican party leadership."

Who can freakin' blame her? She should. She should already be a registered independent, given what's going on. The anti-Muslim stuff on the part of the Republicans now is just nuts.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 19, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Will Bunch articulates what most of us instinctively know. It's "The Other".

"America, we are in for the bumpy political ride of a lifetime. It will take enormous courage for defenders of two centuries of religious freedom and tolerance toward both religious and economic refugees to stand firm in the face of the kind of raw public anger and emotion that have caused backbone-impaired politicians like Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid or supposed progressive stalwart Howard Dean to wither in mere days. Our determined minority may be barely clinging to our cherished traditions -- as best expressed by President George Washington in 1790 when he wrote "the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection, should demean themselves as good citizens" -- in the face of this onslaught for the next few years.

Let's face it: This country has long had its Know-Nothings and its Birchers and its McCarthyites, but it never had gizmos like Fox News or Sarah Palin's Twitter feed to fuel toxic ideas so far so fast. It's time we admit these seemingly disconnected battles over "anchor babies, mosques, and a black man in the Oval Office are all part of the same war against "the Other," and that we are in the fight of a lifetime.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/The_Other_and_the_ripping_apart_of_America_2010.html

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever notice how often people like Dr. Laura and Rush Limbaugh, whine about not being allowed to exercise free speech?

Those people will not get out of bed in the morning, to go blather on the people's airwaves, unless they are being paid massive amounts to do so.

Free Speech, My Arse!

Those people are only interested in Fee Speech.

If some one does not give them the right contract, they are perfectly willing to stop talking on the air.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall the Queen of Wingdom defend Rahm Emanual when he called Democrats 'retarded'. In fact, as I recall, she had a self-righteous hissy fit.

Posted by: bcinaz | August 19, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING! This just in from CNN...

Grneralissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!

Posted by: jzap | August 19, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama Isn't Muslim

Others Disagree

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

lms,

It's always the other.

Try, say in 1875, being an Irishman in Boston, an Italian in NYC, or a Chinese gentleman in Colorado working the railroad.

They have all thrived.

The victim component of multiculturalism was unknown to them.

I think Bunch overstates the situation by several (galactic) orders of magnitude in order to preserve an issue that is blessedly moribund...the very last card in the lib deck is a duece.

It's folly, a little preciously pathetic, and more divisive than anything Fox could promulgate.

Are the majority of Americans closet- savages and Kleagles?

NO.

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Victims are victims, no matter what phony name you try to cover it up with.

Multiculturalism is the sneer word of the Omnicultural American Yokel.

The Irish Were Victimized, as were the Chinese, and just because they were two of they very few ethnic groups here then, does not alter the fact that they were oppressed and murdered, and does not justify what was done to them.

Tao would excuse what was done to African Americans because: look at how they have overcome.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"And this extraordinary chyron from CNN, flagged by Dave Weigel, may help explain why a large majority of those who think Obama is a Muslim say they "learned" it from the media:"

I have a question: Why is this even being polled? Myriad evidence to the contrary exists, yet pollsters are stil asking people their *opinion* about this matter, as if it were open for debate, and in doing so, they are helping to perpetuate a myth. Again, why?

Taking this a step further, is there an analogous situation -- a situation in which the public is asked for its opinion on a blatant falsehood about an individual -- for any other political figure?

If the intention was to discuss this information in the context of America's xenophobic inclinations (which seem to be raging right now), then maybe -- maybe -- polling a blatant falsehood would make sense. But, that's that not the slant of the reporting on the issue. Indeed, the polling doesn't even explore the impact of the persons' misinformation about Obama's religion; it only documents its existence.

The media has largely been irresponsible in its coverage of this matter, as evidenced by the earlier post, on this site, about the media being the overwhelming source of misinformation about this issue. Media have seemed reluctant to label the "Obama is a Muslim" sentiment the canard that it is, or they frame his religion in manner (e.g., "The White House says...") that suggests that it's a disputed question, without noting the significant factual information about Obama's religion. I'll go out on a limb and say that there was no memo for Muslims to start celebrating Easter and Christmas.

But, frankly, although it's an interesting aspect of this matter, the media's inability to aggressively promote the truth and it's uncanny ability to perpetuate misinformation, is secondary to the question of why this falsehood is even being polled in the first place.

Posted by: associate20 | August 19, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I have suggest that we just call the Not-At-Ground-Zero-Not-A-Mosque

Obama's Mosque

Then we can argue about two ridiculous things at the same time. Very efficient.

Night, All.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

The GOP; absolute insanity!

Posted by: hoser3 | August 19, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

wbg: "Then we can argue about two ridiculous things at the same time. Very efficient."

I dunno. If we are going to increase productivity, I want a pay raise. :o)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Ims: "Funny Palin endorses Dr. Laura's right to use the N word 11 times on the air but forgets to ask "but should she?"

Good point, Ims. So often with Palin, everything is a one-way street.

The really truly pathetic part, though, is the very fact that Dr. Laura's 1st Amendment Rights weren't usurped. How is it that neither of them know that the 1st Amendment relates to the GOVERNMENT suppression of speech? It has nothing whatsoever to do with her sponsors pulling out of her show (they have that right), or her listeners complaining about her show (they have that right). The government is not involved, therefore, it is specious and pretty stupid of both of them to even be engaging it from that perspective.

In Civics, they both get an F.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Saint Sarah's change of heart:

"Palin In February: We'd Be 'Appalled' If Public Figure Used "N-Word"

"I would ask the president to show decency in this process by eliminating one member of [his] inner circle, Mr. Rahm Emanuel," Palin wrote in February. "The Obama Administration's Chief of Staff scolded [liberal critics] calling them, 'F---ing retarded,' according to several participants, as reported in the Wall Street Journal. Just as we'd be appalled if any public figure of Rahm's stature ever used the "N-word" or other such inappropriate language, Rahm's slur on all God's children with cognitive and developmental disabilities - and the people who love them - is unacceptable, and it's heartbreaking."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/palin-in-february-wed-be-appalled-if-public-figure-used-n-word.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Are the majority of Americans closet- savages and Kleagles?

NO.

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 7:19 PM
=================

What's your answer when the survey is narrowed down to the GOP base?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 19, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Dems retreat on health care cost pitch. I guess lowering costs wasn't exactly true..

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41271.html

Posted by: CarolinaMike | August 19, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"Not that facts matter, but Obama has has taken less vacation time than Bush had by the same period in his first term."
----------------------------------------------

As has every other president in history, I'm pretty sure.

Posted by: CalD | August 19, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for linking to the great Yglesias post. Major credit to him for being honest about his mistake.

His post really got me thinking. Looking back reminded me that I was on the right side of the Iraq invasion (the issue that did a lot to get me interested in politics) -- against it, at least in part by chance.

I was 21 at the time as well, but my thought process was nowhere near as developed Yglesias'. I didn't trust Bush to be competent or to have the right motives, but that, ironically enough, was basically a "gut" decision. It was the "if you don't support the invasion, you don't support the troops" garbage that signaled to me that the case for invasion was sorely lacking and possibly bankrupt. It decimated any "wisdom in numbers" line of thing, which under normal circumstances, I could very well have gone along with.

The "must support war to support troops" crowd had it so clearly backwards (if you support them, you don't send them into harms way unless absolutely necessary), and the realization that friends I grew up with we're going to fight and possibly die thanks to this upside down rationale was infuriating. It then became apparent, upon further inspection prompted by the "war = troops" canard, that the war was being "sold"... it had not been thought through by the media figures I was supposed to trust, and civilian casualties were being disregarded -- something that was plainly morally reprehensible.

If it wasn't for this revulsion... if I hadn't heard the most disgusting arguments at the right time... I could have been cheering the invasion.

Not a very comforting thought.

Posted by: michael_conrad | August 19, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Typo city:

The above comment should read "line of thinking."

Encouraging to see Feingold and Franken stand up to the anti - Cordoba House nonsense.

Posted by: michael_conrad | August 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

"Tao would excuse what was done to African Americans because: look at how they have overcome."

Would I, Liam?

Multiculturalism is the Holiest of Holy Words, the "I am" word, of the transnationalist professional discontents sopping up status, cash, sycophantic media slant, and tenure in Ann Arbor, et.al..
The word is essentially meaningless in a democratic republic.

If our Irish forbears were victims, murdered and oppressed, Liam-aleen, where's our damned protected minority status and all the attendent Federal swag?

Maybe I ought to sue the first Sassanach SOB in the phone book named Cromwell. Seems to be the preferred trend for the left

Cha tèid nì sam bith san dòrn dùinte.

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't for this revulsion... if I hadn't heard the most disgusting arguments at the right time... I could have been cheering the invasion.

Not a very comforting thought.

Posted by: michael_conrad | August 19, 2010 9:14 PM
===============================

Even more disturbing: Professionals in our corporate media who were right lost their jobs (e.g. Robert Scheer and Phil Donahue), while craven hacks (Richie Cohen, Bill Kristol, Tom Friedman, and a host more) are rewarded with pay raises.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 19, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

If our Irish forbears were victims, murdered and oppressed, Liam-aleen, where's our damned protected minority status and all the attendent Federal swag?

Maybe I ought to sue the first Sassanach SOB in the phone book named Cromwell. Seems to be the preferred trend for the left

Cha tèid nì sam bith san dòrn dùinte.

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 9:46 PM |
============================

Typical Gooper.

Tao9 ignores the corporatist pigs getting fatter and fatter at the Federal feeding trough, but he is VERY CONCERNED that some people he considers inferior might be getting something they didn't earn!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 19, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

tao, I wish you were right. My son lives in Temecula and so we're following the developments there via his comments, my local city council adopted a resolution in support of the Arizona law, any my neighbor has taken to mixing up the names he calls me when he drives by, he's very creative.

We've had two very heated council meetings this month with the minority trying to apply reason but to no avail. I could see the council was very nervous but one gal, whom I've know for about 25 years, tried to argue against the resolution but eventually voted for it herself. We have a significant Hispanic community, just like everywhere else in So. Cal, but almost zero problems with crime, gangs or any of the other typical boogey men arguments. I was embarrassed for them but they would not shut up or even look around the room to see that about a third of the people in the room were being insulted based on their country of origin. It was pretty amazing actually to see the disconnect from their neighbors.

I spoke with her this week and you would not believe the kind of email they're getting, although after hearing the public comments I could. I think she's frightened to vote her conscience although I'm sorry to say she tried to convince me why we really NEED to show solidarity with Arizona. BS

Anyway, yeah it's always been this way, why break with tradition right?

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

ifya,

Your predictable, vacuum-like lack of originality, cut&paste/caps limp arsenal of ThinkProgress 2nd-rate stillborn stenography is becoming quite endearing, in a "I don't really get Alinsky" sorta way.

"corporatist pigs" {{{{giggle}}}}. Mario Savio nods.

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

In other CA news:

"Proposition 23, the so-called "California Jobs Initiative" threatening to suspend some of California's unprecedented clean air and renewable energy legislation, is raking in millions of dollars from Texas oil companies and special interest groups in the Midwest that stand to profit from rolled-back environmental regulation.

The initiative, which is to be voted on in California's upcoming November elections, aims to suspend clean air and energy laws under the "Global Warming Solutions Act of 2006" until California's unemployment rate falls below 5.5 percent for a full year. But this might take a while, considering that the state's recession-induced unemployment rate currently hovers around 12.3 percent.

While the proposition claims to be about creating jobs in California, its biggest financial backers are Texas oil companies, including Valero and Tesoro Corporations, who have donated $4 million and $525,000, respectively, to the initiative.

Valero spokesperson Bill Day told HuffPost that the company supports Prop. 23 because it's a "common-sense" approach to solving California's economic problems."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/19/antienvironment-californi_n_687719.html

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah tao, I forgot, in the parking lot at both of the last two council meetings was a really sharp looking white truck. The back window identified it's owner as a member of the Tea Party and across the window it said:

"A village in Kenya is missing their idiot", that guy got a lot of applause.

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin "The anti-Muslim stuff on the part of the Republicans now is just nuts."

Agreed...and not just for Muslims, progressives and Americans but perhaps most of all for R's.

I do feel your pain Kevin. You are a rational conservative which means at the moment in our nation you really have no representation. A few pundits, perhaps financially secure and their jobs safe to keep have spoken wisely for the R's...but nary a politician.

And what really really sucks now for a progressive is that one of the few R's who did say the right things got hammered by that loser Arcuri. I've said I'll never again vote for an R but like you Kevin I'd have to cast a protest vote against Arcuri even if it meant electing an R.

The last thing the Dems need are more pandering spineless reps...

And ironically the R's are now carrying the water for the Dems with the host of losers they are nominating. e.g. I would gladly vote against Reid after his craven display but Sharon Angle...OMG!!!! It's truly hard to imagine a person less qualified for office...well I exaggerate..as Dr. Laura pointed out at the time Sarah Palin was another ludicrous choice for the R's. Would the 08 presidential race have been closer if Grandpa McCain had swallowed his pride and selected Romney. Economic turmoil...do you suppose Romney might have brought just a little more cred than the Wasilla hillbilly? Do you suppose those two might have been able to knock off a candidate named Hussein Obama, who was parodied with "Witch Doctor pics" pics of watermelons on the W.H. lawn...two white eyeballs in a sea of black...not that there is anything racist with those images. snark snark The R "base" was fired up and ready to go Sarah or no Sarah.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 19, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

lms,

You know I'm not down with that, and would probably stand w/ you vs. the whacks at Temecula (are the anti-mosque people also the citizens "border patrol" people?).

That said, switch in "Texas" for "Kenya" and you get what was, comparatively, a pretty mild epithet not long ago. Got gobs of applause (and prime-time airtime) too.

I think 500K jobless claims (per NBC, "Unexpectedly!!! whoa who coulda seen that comin'!!!") is driving the animus more than more malign spirits. Or fear of the "Other."

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca, (RE: PROP 23)

That is scary stuff. I guess if this succeeds, we can look forward to a wave of initiatives around the country set up by corporations to increase their profits by throwing out hard-won regulations crafted in the public interest, with the usual campaign spending mis-match whenever corporations square off against the public good.

I hope that the voters see through the "jobs" propaganda and vote it down.

Posted by: Patrick_M | August 19, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

tao, I've been talking about the economy and jobs constantly, someone needs to counter Ethan's fantasy economic recovery. People are hurting, Dems and GOP alike, too bad we can't figure out how to get some relief out here before we tear each other apart and blame it on someone else.

I don't know if they're the same people or not but it seems likely. Temecula is a border checkpoint on the 15. And some of the people with the loudest voices here are people I've know for 25-30 years. We've been very active in the community here, with five kids who wouldn't be, and I think maybe I'm just in some kind of shock. You think you know someone and poof.

And you could also switch Texas for CA and get lots of laughs. You're refusing to see the difference in the Kenya comment from others. I'm tired, I'm going to bed. Damn it's only 8:00. I'll go read.

Night all !!!!!

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Patrick, you never know what will happen with the CA propositions, I've been on the losing end of about 70% of them since 1972.

I'm out, have a good night.

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice, John Stewart just brought up the point I made earlier. Prince Waleed who owns 7% stake in NewsCorp said 9/11 was because of U.S. policy.

I'm glad he brought that up and I hope it's widely disseminated.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 19, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"You're refusing to see the difference in the Kenya comment from others."

Not refusing. You're right, didn't catch the birther ref at first [Uptake deficit ;>)]. Also because I think those folks are professional-dead-horse-beaters, plus i spent 6 mos in Kenya and don't see what might be wrong re: being from there.

Posted by: tao9 | August 19, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

@ruk: "do you suppose Romney might have brought just a little more cred than the Wasilla hillbilly?"

Probably, but McCain was never particularly popular with the base, so he (and his advisers) decided to go Real Rural American™ with his VP pick, and he did. Then undermined that decision by much of his staff undermine her, and making some poor decisions regarding how and where to thrust Palin into the national spotlight. Which just served to tick off some of the people he had won over with the McCain nomination. There's a reason I saw a number of Palin/McCain signs around here, instead of the other way around.

"Do you suppose those two might have been able to knock off a candidate named Hussein Obama, who was parodied with "Witch Doctor pics" pics of watermelons on the W.H. lawn...two white eyeballs in a sea of black...not that there is anything racist with those images"

Did you see the Obama bucks? Well, stoking racial fears and resentments clearly didn't do anything to prevent Obama from getting elected. If Democrats lose in November, I don't think the 14th amendment and anti-Mosque stuff is going to be the reason Republicans win, but I'm afraid that's the lesson they might take from a sound November victory.

I still like Corker, Alexander (sort of, though he's really getting kind of old) and Blackburn. So I've got folks in my tiny sphere to vote for on the R side.

I just think it's' a "ends justify the means" strategy, where the means are just about anything and the ends are no more substantial than "we win, they lose". So, not a big fan.

The strategy is fairly honestly discussed on Ace of Spades:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/304856.php


Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 20, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

It seems that Krauthammer reads Plum Line:

"It’s hard to be an Obama sycophant these days. Your hero delivers a Ramadan speech roundly supporting the building of a mosque and Islamic center at Ground Zero in New York. Your heart swells and you’re moved to declare this President Obama’s finest hour, his act of greatest courage.

Alas, the next day, at a remove of 800 miles, Obama explains that he was only talking about the legality of the thing and not the wisdom — upon which he does not make, and will not make, any judgment.

You’re left looking like a fool because now Obama has said exactly nothing: No one disputes the right to build; the whole debate is about the propriety, the decency of doing so."

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/244269/moral-myopia-ground-zero-charles-krauthammer

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 20, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

tao said: "Try, say in 1875, being an Irishman in Boston, an Italian in NYC, or a Chinese gentleman in Colorado working the railroad.

They have all thrived.

The victim component of multiculturalism was unknown to them."

That's an odd sort of argument, tao. First, the condition of victimization was a reality of many of those lives (or of females, as in the Triangle Shirt Waist Building fire). And I don't imagine you believe they ought not to have worked to improve their conditions through organizing and working for greater equality? And if they were to do so, that logically entails an awareness of the negative and unfair conditions they lived and worked under.

Are you suggesting they would have been most remiss or faulty in character if they had spoken out publicly? Or that the only proper mode of citizenship is stoicism?

Or perhaps your notion is that this earlier period of time with its lack of workplace safety regulations, lack of the vote for women, institutionalized prejudices etc built character and we ought to grieve for its passing?

Posted by: bernielatham | August 20, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/the_morning_plum_78.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 20, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

The Israelis and Palestinians are about to restart talks. One would have to be a serious optimist to hope for much with Netanyahu in charge but what else can one hope for?

A story which has not gotten nearly enough coverage and discussion is the recently found interview with Netanyahu from nine years ago where he openly states his government's attitudes towards dealing with the Palestinians (completely mercilessly). There's other statements of interest but the one that perhaps ought to catch our attention arises from what he says here:

"The woman Natanyahu is speaking to wonders if the world won't object to what Israel is doing to the occupied Palestinians (she uses the word occupiers herself. He says the world will say nothing, just that Israel is defending itself. As for the US...

“I know what America is. America is a thing that can be easily moved, moved in the right direction... Let's suppose that they [the Americans] will say something [i.e. to us Israelis] ... so they say it...” [i.e. so what?]"
http://crooksandliars.com/ian-welsh/israeli-pm-natanyahu-america-easily-move

That's rather clear, isn't it? If American protests, it is of no consequence at all. We'll ignore and do what we wish regardless.

There's no hint here of concern that, for example, the huges amounts of dollars transferred from American taxpayers to Israel each year might be threatened. There's no concern that, as another example, the US media might develop a narrative critical of Israeli government policies which could lead to a loss of support financially, militarily, or even in terms of friendliness and sympathy.

Why not? Because "America is a thing that can be easily moved" seems the clear proposition.

And THAT is the interesting element here. How is this classic tail-wagging-dog situation managed? There's nothing hesitant or ambiguous about his claim. It's the obvious way of things.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 20, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

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