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* Fun read: Chris Moody tries to get Cordoba House opponents to pinpoint precisely what size they'd deem acceptable for the Mosque Exclusion Zone. Not pretty.

* Nice catch by Think Progress: Former Bush Commerce Secretary Donald Evans says Bush's new memoir will spark "serious debate" over whether Bush policies caused the financial crisis. Recall that publication has been postponed until after the midterms...

* Dem Senate candidates are going negative early and often, a key sign that Dems are under no illusions about how bad the political environment is for them.

* John Cole skewers the skittishness and cowardice of Dems who are worried that letting the Bush tax cuts for the rich expire will make them vulnerable, despite multiple polls showing it's a winner.

* A top Tea Party organizer tells ABC's Top Line that tomorrow's Glenn Beck rally could attract as many as 400,000 to 500,000 people.

* Headline of the day: "Martin Luther King Would Have Been On Glenn Beck's Chalkboard."

* Al Sharpton says that Beck opposes everything King died for.

* The National Rifle Association declines to endorse Senator Harry Reid, citing his votes for Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, which is a blow, since the group backed him in the past.

* Eric Kleefeld notes that the GOP state official axed by Chris Christie -- a small government conservative and welfare reform champion -- arranged for his firing, so he could collect unemployment.

Time to start a support group for anti-givernment conservatives addicted to unemployment insurance?

* Good read: Steve Kornacki does a deep dive into the story of Bret Schundler, the official fired by Christie, and comes up with a genuinely poignant tale.

* History lesson of the day: Rush Limbaugh says Obama is like blacks who say "the Fourth of July ain't no big deal to me, yo," but Steve Benen reminds Rush that southern whites are the ones with the history of dissing July 4th.

* Apology of the day: Alaska Senate candidate Joe Miller apologizes and blames a staffer for his Tweet seemingly comparing Lisa Murkowski's Senate run to prostitution.

* And Adam Serwer renames Liz Cheney's national security group: "Keep America Dumb."

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  |  August 27, 2010; 5:27 PM ET
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I already answered how far away from WTC the mosque should be built (would have to look it up from a prior thread) if I were a dictator, of course.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 27, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

All of Greg's Quislings for Cordoba House here should apologize to the secular Muslim NY Cabbie and his family for inciting this pro-jihad mosque vigilantee to "Moby" violence.

It's time to take a little ownership for your orchestrated Islamo-supremacist advocacy campaign.

Petards... hoist!

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 27, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Contrast Chris Moody's mega-mosque calculus with Barry's political calculations. Barry has back peddled more comically than a bear on a unicycle.

For all the talk about Obama being more like Clinton, he's been Carter on stilts-- waffling while the economy and the country decline into malaise.

On the mosque issue alone he took four (4!) separate positions in the space of a week – first he wouldn't comment, then he was for it, then he backed off and finally he backed off backing off.

That's not leadership, it's clown college!

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 27, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Will Bloomberg publicly apologize to the secular Muslim NY Cabbie and his family for inciting the pro-jihad mosque vigilantee to moby violence?

It's past time to take a little ownership for Bloomberg's orchestrated Islamo-supremacist advocacy campaign.

What gets lost in all Bloomberg's recent demogoguery is that the Muslim cabbie victim is himself a hateful hater, bigot, inauthentic, xenophobic, neanderthal-- at least, if you go by the criterion set out by Bloomberg (and his Quisling toadies in the media): Opposing the mosque is "Islamophobia"-- period. Right?

As an anti-jihadist, however, I’m inclined to observe that the Muslim cabbie’s pretty much consonant in his opinion of the Cordoba mosque with a super majority (70%) of his fellow Americans.

That Bloomberg's proteges will be disappointed to discover the opinion of this Muslim cabbie apostate tells you all you need to know about the two "sides" of this debate.

Own it, Quislings.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 27, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Ktroll - Have you ever had an original thought? You cut and past the same brainless comments every freakin' day. Not a one of your posts is even worth reading.

Get a life and grow a brain.

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck compares ABC report to Nazi propaganda

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100827/cm_yblog_upshot/glenn-beck-compares-abc-report-to-nazi-propaganda

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

You own this beast. You are the one who conditioned him to rush in, and start slobbering, each time you ring the Mosque Bell.

I hear that there is an Old Geller Biography in the works:

It is to be titled:

Mosque Cow On The Hudson.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The campaign of GOP Senate nominee Marco Rubio is having a field day with an interview Crist gave to a Florida cable news station this afternoon in which Crist pretty clearly says "I would have voted for it," when asked about the health care law President Obama signed in March. The answer was a flip-flop from Crist's past public opposition to the law first voiced back when he was still a Republican running against Rubio in the primary. (On Crist's campaign website he remains publicly opposed to the law, stating "Had I been in the United States Senate at the time, I would have voted against the bill because of unacceptable provisions like the cuts to the Medicare Advantage program.")

After the interview ran at noon today -- and the Rubio campaign started pushing it out to reporters with glee -- Crist clarified his position yet again. No, he said in a statement, I would not have voted for the health care law despite what I just said on TV.

"Apparently, based on an interview this afternoon, there may be some confusion regarding my position on health care," Crist says in the statement. " If I misspoke, I want to be abundantly clear: the health care bill was too big, too expensive, and expanded the role of government far too much. Had I been in the United States Senate at the time, I would have voted against the bill."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/in-one-afternoon-charlie-crist-flip-flop-flips-on-health-care-reform.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"In a humbling footnote, Jersey City -- which had embraced Schundler in nonpartisan municipal elections -- voted overwhelmingly for McGreevey."

Those of us lived under his "leadership" knew what he would do on a state level and voted accordingly.

Posted by: klhoughton | August 27, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

[nisleib: "Have you ever had an original thought? You cut and past the same brainless comments every freakin' day."]

When there's anything knew here to comment on, you'll be the first to know.

Until then, you'll have to satisfy yourself with the same rebuttals on the same tired, refried, silly Quisling blather.

Are you aware that you have the same whiney complaints every day?

Are you aware how obsessed you are with me?

Get a life.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 27, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

If you got rid of Old Geller's breast implants, and the Wonder Woman costume, and let the facial hair grow back, Bin Ladin would be back to looking like his old self, within a week or so.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Liam, that's a frightening image. :)

Maybe Kaddafi can enlighten us as to the acceptable size of the Mosque Exclusion Zone?

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 27, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"Keep America Dumb" indeed.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

This morning I noted the American Taliban group moving to oust three justices who they don't like. Here's more on these guys... http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/27/afa-iowa-justices/

One small and representative sample...

"AFA’s Bryan Fischer claimed that gay servicemembers must continue to be expelled from the military because “the inescapable conclusion is that gay sex is a form of domestic terrorism.”

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

From Ed Kilgore (who may have seen Goldberg's "There ain't no anti-Muslim stuff going on!")
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In the welter of confusion and misinformation that has characterized the "ground zero mosque" brouhaha, it's kind of important to isolate the extent to which Americans actually seem to hate Muslims.

That's what Ron Brownstein's done in his latest column, and it's pretty clear there's a partisan and ideological split at play here:

'In a national Time magazine poll released last week, just under half of all Americans agreed that Islam is more likely than other faiths to promote violence against nonbelievers. But that number rose to 70 percent among Republicans and nearly three-fourths among conservatives. Fully 55 percent of all Americans said they believed that most U.S. Muslims are patriotic; but only 42 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of conservatives agreed. Perhaps most strikingly, 43 percent of conservatives and a 48 percent plurality of Republicans said Muslims should not be allowed to run for president. Only about one-fourth of Democrats and independents agreed.'

Muslims should not be allowed to run for president?

Then again, this is the same Time poll in which a plurality of Republicans said Barack Obama is a Muslim. So I guess in their view you can't have the First Amendment interfering with the God-given constitutional right to conservative rule. " http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2010/08/islamophobia_isolated.php#comments

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

"A top Tea Party organizer tells ABC's Top Line that tomorrow's Glenn Beck rally could attract as many as 400,000 to 500,000 people."

Beck himself is hoping for 100,000.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm GLAD to see Democrats going negative on Republicans. There's a lot to go negative about. It is *exactly* the right way to campaign. Rip up those paper tigers!

And Greg, I doubt you have much control over this, but the right-wing trollery that infests the comment section (and every other comment section in the Post) really makes reading this blog less appealing than it should be. I've got no problem with argument, but this would be a much better read with the irrelevant screeds and the personal attacks weeded out.

Posted by: hellslittlestangel1 | August 27, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Beck also says that it is a non-partisan gathering, but yet the Key Note Speaker is non other that Uber Partisan; Quitter Palin:

I guess; in order to show impartiality, she will read her diatribe about President Obama, from both her right and her left palms.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

KaddafiDelendaEst:

I enjoy reading your comments. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 27, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

Obama QUIT his Senate job before his term was up too. Tune in tomorrow for the answer to all of your questions ...

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 27, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2 also enjoys dropping hints that he might "yet" assassinate someone, and his biggest turn offs are: Muslims who love our freedoms, and the undocumented fetuses, who are behind most of the border drug violence.

Old Geller; call him. He is such a catch.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama took over the White House. Granny Grizzly Palin just flat cut and ran from her simple job of passing out Oil Welfare Checks, in the Back Water Welfare State of Alaska.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps most strikingly, 43 percent of conservatives and a 48 percent plurality of Republicans said Muslims should not be allowed to run for president."

And these are the people that supposedly cherish the US Constitution so much. I mean, seriously. It's one of the least ambiguous parts of the document: "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 27, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

"Beck himself is hoping for 100,000"

That must be where his bonus from Goldline kicks in.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 27, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

"A top Tea Party organizer tells ABC's Top Line that tomorrow's Glenn Beck rally could attract as many as 400,000 to 500,000 people."

Wow! That's comparable to the numbers of people Hitler got to his rallies in Nuremberg! Impressive indeed.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Glenn Beck's blackboard (and yeah, MLK would have been on it -- given that Beck's entire rap is essentially just recycled John Birch Society effluvium from the 1960s and Birchers were very definitely convinced that Dr. King was a commie) something just occurred to me about our friendly troll KaddafiDelendaEst.

This would be easier with a blackboard but see if you can follow the logic:

Muammar (if I may be so familiar) is constantly calling someone a "Quisling."
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Quisling sounds like some kind of sandwich that you would get at a Quizno's sub shop.
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Quizno's sub shops ran a widely discussed commercial a couple years ago, featuring a naked man suckling a she-wolf.
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Muammar paraphrased the Latin slogan, "Carthago delenda est" (Carthage must be destroyed) for his handle in WP discussion forums.
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Latin was the language of the Roman empire.
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Romulus and Remus, the mythical founders of the Roman Empire, were nursed by a she-wolf.
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Ergo, Muammar is that naked guy in the Quizno's commercial.

It all fits!

Posted by: CalD | August 27, 2010 7:26 PM | Report abuse

John Cole points to the Really Good News in the Drown Government in Bathtub project...

"Fire departments around the nation are cutting jobs, closing firehouses and increasingly resorting to “rolling brownouts” in which they shut different fire companies on different days as the economic downturn forces many cities and towns to make deep cuts that are slowing their responses to fires and other emergencies." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/us/27cuts.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&hpw=&adxnnlx=1282950099-Bkp+BMv+6rNQtZHQvpkW5Q

Even better, it's police forces too!

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Palin will be arguably more effective tomorrow than Obama.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 27, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Weigel points to the ad that's been running at Weekly Standard for a couple of weeks hawking "refudiate!" T-Shirts... http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/08/27/refudiation-gear.aspx

"I believe these are T-shirts that celebrate a grammatical mistake by Sarah Palin. There's something you can say here about anti-intellectualism, but couldn't you spend your time more fruitfully by shooting fish in a barrel?"

Except that, of course, immediately following Palin's dunderheaded attempt to sport a vocabulary above her grade seven level, Bill Kristol jumped up to spin her as a contemporary Shakespeare. The T-Shirts are merely an extension of the proximate Big Lie.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

@Bernie....I believe this is the first time in my many months on this blog to ever see you go to the Nazi card. Not that I don't understand but you and Kevin were the ones who showed me the way to civility and keeping out any hyperbole. Not that I always do, but I give you guys credit for trying. Sometimes I do fall off the wagon...like when you post

"AFA’s Bryan Fischer claimed that gay service members must continue to be expelled from the military because “the inescapable conclusion is that gay sex is a form of domestic terrorism.”

OMG Bernie...does that mean our friend SBJ is a domestic terrorist. SBJ's side thinks so highly of him. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

From Benen:

"Beck recently told his minions, "Damn it, we will reclaim the civil rights [movement]. We will take that movement because we were the people who did it in the first place!"

It's hard to overstate how blisteringly stupid this is."

It might be impossible.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

@hellslittlestangel

Glad to have you hanging around our humble get together. Yes the right wing trolls can be aggravating but we simply ignore them.

We have a few conservatives here who try to present facts and links to back up their observations...and then we have the tea partiers (who actually are plotting civil war not revolution) who operate in a fact free zone...davered...marybel...janet8 and others who are simply here to spout epithets without links or facts or logic to back up their lame opinions.

And then there is Special K...we simply feel sorry for him...he is incapable of an original thought and we pity the fact that he spends so much time cutting and pasting from fright wing blogs.

Having said all that, I think you'll find this blog largely devoted to issues..like two wars, the public option...tax cuts for the wealthiest amongst us. We value folks who can back their observations/opinions with some links of from credible sources.

The worst time here is when Greg gores a sacred ox..like the Tea party or glen beck...sometimes it gets linked to one of those fright wing sites who immediately send all their delusional losers to come over here and scream how awful Greg is and how we're all a bunch of fascists/socialist/communist bed wetters. Again people like clawrence are not intellectual enough to actually make a point...they are the guys out in the tea party new confederate rallies that scream meaningless prattle like "Palin will be arguably more effective tomorrow than Obama."

Not hardly Clawrence...in case you hadn't noticed the Wasilla Hillbilly fares better on Facebook and Twitter where she can post in tweet shorthand...that way she can't get busted for being such a dummie she has the vocabulary of an 8th grader. Don't know which will be more effective tommorrow..that screaching, whiny, awful voice that prevented her from utilizing her broadcasting major as a sportscaster..or laughing at how she mangles the English Language.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

@ru - Actually, I've made a reference to Herr Schicklegrubber (and his times) now and again. Though let's be very clear that I've done it less often than the ADL. As much as I appreciate Godwin's injunction, there's no way one can avoid reference to all of that stuff not simply as a historical matter but because the related events do not exist in a vacuum of total uniqueness. There are, for example, clear parallelisms between the brewing anti-Muslim rhetoric now and what was going on in Germany during the 20s and 30s.

And to your more important point, yes, sbj is a domestic terrorist.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

For those who've been watching the conservative movement for a while, Ralph Reed will be a familiar name. Seriously disgraced as a lying and greedy carpet-bagger pretending to be a good Christian, he had to disappear for a while. But over the last couple of years, I've seen his name appear here and there behind the scenes. He's getting more open now...
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_08/025411.php

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If Palin tomorrow delivers the speech that wins her the White House, will you then admit that she was more effective than Obama?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 27, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

@ bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:01 PM:

Maybe he has no idea who his minions are. Doesn't necessarily mean he's stupid. He could just be incredibly ignorant.

Posted by: CalD | August 27, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Jan Brewer, immigration, Hillary Clinton and the UN...all the ingredients for a Palin tweet
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_08/025411.php

Not forgetting, of course, that Brewer has serious connections to the private prison industry in her state who will make REALLY good bucks when all them immigrants are rounded up.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

"..a staffer"... so this bozo admits that he not only doesn't KNOW what twitter is but that he has NO CLUE what his staff is saying about him.. This guy took great training from the Swag-Hag and now is putting to use..

CLUE FREE....

Posted by: rbaldwin2 | August 27, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I met Ralph Reed back in 1992 (hope he does well, as I don't believe a thing that lying and greedy Washington Monthly posts).

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 27, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

KaddafiDelendaEst bears a striking resemblence to Concerned the Christian Now Liberated, a troll who fouled the blogs at OnFaith. If he is, he's gotten more evil-tempered, but the cut and paste routine is eeriely similiar. May God/Goddess grant you all patience.

By the way, "Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est". How's that for obscure? ;-)

Posted by: wiccan | August 27, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

@CalD - not to put too fine a point on it, but I think it is the idea that Weigel finds "blisteringly stupid" (along with anyone who thinks it makes sense, of course). The speaker could be merely lying. But it's not a bad question in a way. Is Charles Manson stupid?

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Note to self: Bernie doesn't do humor.

Posted by: CalD | August 27, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"Wow! That's comparable to the numbers of people Hitler got to his rallies in Nuremberg! Impressive indeed."

You shame yourself . . . yet again.

Posted by: quarterback1 | August 27, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

@Clarence12 - I'd recommend that you definitely do not go check out the emails and other records from Reed himself. You'd get upset.

As to your "If Palin tomorrow delivers the speech that wins her the White House, will you then admit that she was more effective than Obama?"... I suppose you'd could answer this question yourself through some parallel examples.

For instance, if a janitor at your local hospital slips into a green surgeon's outfit and commences surgery on your daughter would that make him more "effective" than the hospital's real surgeons?

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Rukidding, you missed my point making fun of those of you like "bernielatham" who post off-topic and unsubstantiated character assassinations. And, here I thought you were trying to be the "civil" one?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 27, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Note to self: Bernie doesn't do humor."

I used to. But then I began to suffer the pain and itching of psoriasis. Bleak, bleak, bleak

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Another happy case of Islamophobic nutcases rising up from the hate-maker machine... http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/26/1794304/whats-in-a-name-your-faith-apparently.html

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Clawrence...WTF are you talking about. Do you seriously believe that Palin is going to make a speech tomorrow that is going to be so exciting, so effective, that it propels her into the W.H. in 2012. LMAO.

Clawrence do you currently reside in the U.S.? You do realize that independents have a large dislike for Palin...only 1/3 have a favorable opinion of her...50% have an unfavorable opinion of her. You do understand fractions and percentages..perhaps I'm confusing you by mixing...33% like Palin..50% DISLIKE HER!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/politicolive/0810/Palin_blames_media_for_unfavorable_rating.html

"Fox host Chris Wallace cited recent polling numbers from Quinnipiac University that showed 50 percent of independents viewed the former vice presidential GOP nominee in an unfavorable light. Just a third said they viewed her favorably."

That's independents! Of course there are more registered Democrats than Republicans and we know the Dems hate Sister Sarah.

According to the Wall St Journal...Sarah's unfavorable ratings are more than double her favorable.

And then there's this from July...
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1478

American voters like Obama more than Sarah Palin, giving him a 49 - 45 percent favorability, while she gets a negative 35 - 49 percent.

Michelle Obama does much better, with a 55 - 19 percent favorability.

So clawrence...it will take a Glen Beck miracle for Sister Sarah to reverse what has been a steady slide of popularity with one speech tomorrow. Survey after Survey shows that the more Americans get to know the Wasilla Hillbilly the less they like her. This is precisely why she sticks to facebook, twitter, and fox...she realizes that she is such an airhead, with more and more Americans catching on to this charlatan that she is literally afraid to do a REAL interview. Her ignorance is simply stunning!!!!! Her fear is repugnant...she is no barracuda..anybody who is too freaking frightened to do a REAL press conference is more like a guppy than a barracuda.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Q.B. Glad to see you back. Did I miss your answer. You were kind enough to consider a question I asked a few days ago but you were on your way to the airport.

Perhaps you actually answered on that thread..I apologize if you did since I have not returned to the old thread.

Still interested in your motivation however.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

ruk: "Clawrence...WTF are you talking about. Do you seriously believe that Palin is going to make a speech tomorrow that is going to be so exciting, so effective, that it propels her into the W.H. in 2012. LMAO."

pssst..ruk, they are nothing if not delusional. Let 'em enjoy their hallucinations in peace.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 27, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

BTW...Does anybody remember the name of the guy who always shows up anytime Greg posts an item about Angle. He always claims Nevadans don't really care about all this talk about how wack she is....SORRY...

http://www.lvrj.com/news/poll--voters-wish-for-other-choices-101631283.html

"Two-thirds of voters who say they back Sharron Angle wish another Republican had won the nomination, according to a poll for the Las Vegas Review-Journal and 8NewsNow that shows deep dissatisfaction with both the Tea Party pick and U.S. Sen. Harry Reid."

BTW For that whiner who always shows up when Greg posts another ridiculous or stupid thing to emanate from Angle's mouth..that poll and report was from a NEVADA newspaper and TV station...not a DC source.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps I mistook you for someone claiming to abide by civility. My apologies.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 27, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Haven't read this yet but it ought to be good.... Dave Weigel, "At AFP: David Koch Comes Alive"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/weigel/archive/2010/08/27/at-afp-david-koch-comes-alive.aspx

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Sue...you are correct. In three more weeks I'll be troll free. I'm headed to your beautiful state for a couple of weeks in the middle of nowhere on Lake Superior. No cellphones, no internet, no TV, OMG it's heaven!!!

I told my wife this evening about sharing her view with you about Lake Superior earning its name because it is after all Superior. I must confess Sue Lake Michigan is also gorgeous...Huron is nice...not so impressed by Erie and I haven't spent any time on Ontario.

Of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so I'm sure there is something to see on all the lakes...but as the Native Americans and the poet Longfellow call it...Gitchee Gumee is indeed a special body of water.

Last year my wife and I arrived at our cottage so stressed that we sat looking out our window at the waves breaking on the massive conglomerate rocks...2 hours later we realized how long we had sat in silence simply staring at the lake. We also realized at how relaxed we had become.
Superior give me the most peace and the best high I have known.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

ruk,

No, I didn't see it. Been on the road all week and just back home to the family and decompressing a bit.

I will try to find it.

Posted by: quarterback1 | August 27, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Clawrence....no I apologize to you if you felt I was uncivil. I do regret questioning your understand of fractions and percentages...that indeed was a gratuitous cheap shot...so shame on me...mea culpa.

However the rest of the post was basically just polls that showed how far fetched it would be for Palin to pull off some miracle tomorrow. You like Palin. I get that. I despise her for all the lies and the hate.
During the campaign when she stopped about 15 minutes from where I live...she was ranting on about Obama and insinuating he was a terrorist when someone shouted out from the crowd..."Kill Him".

If you ask me I have to confess that I don't support returning hate for hate...but then again I simply have to say about my behavior..."Forgive me Father for I have sinned." Sorr Clawrence I truly look at demagogues like Palin, Gingrich, Bachmann and others as a true scourge upon our nation.

When I read posts and hear R's planning what to do if they regain the House and there is nothing said about helping our nation or my fellow neighbors and it's all about vengeance...gridlock...and one moron here even talked about impeachment...people who are talking about impeachment are simply traitors to our country. You are certainly free to disagree with Dem policies...then disagree with FACTS...not with socialist/Muslim/fascist yadda yadda yadda. Quisling Quisling Quisling...slave..slave..slave.LOL

BTW Clawrence since you are choosing to engage respectfully I certainly will return your respect and so I ask these two questions sincerely without snark.
1.) Do you believe Obama is a Muslim?

2.) Do you believe Obama was born in Hawaii?

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Q.B. Didn't know you were a road warrior. Do you travel on business? Hope you enjoy your decompression this weekend.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"Wow! That's comparable to the numbers of people Hitler got to his rallies in Nuremberg! Impressive indeed."

Finally, have you no shame, sir?

Regrettably the evidence of this board suggest that no, he doesn't. I'm not sure there are words to capture the hypocrisy and intellectual dishonesty he regularly displays.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been on the road this year as much as the past five or so, but I've had the highest airline elite level for quite a few years now. In fact, some years I reach it by June. All very (not) glamorous.

Posted by: quarterback1 | August 27, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The enormous tragedy in Pakistan and our warped response to it...

"But note how this narrative obscures the humanitarian angle, and downplays the notion that governments have a responsibility to assist peoples beyond their borders. Our aid policy in the wake of this crisis should largely be constructed and justified based on a notion of shared humanity -- not merely on a narrow assessment of American interests. That Pakistanis are suffering and desiring of international aid should be enough to warrant our attention, our dollars, and our support." http://fpwatch.blogspot.com/2010/08/exploiting-flood.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+blogspot/xXIn+(Foreign+Policy+Watch)

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

We are not surprised.

"Health Insurers Are Backing Republicans With Campaign Donations By 8:1 Margin"
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/27/insurers-gop/

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Scott You do realize that Glen Beck did a whole bit about Obama accepting the Democratic nomination in a stadium.

Beck hosted Ben Stein who is purportedly an "intellectual" conservative...Beck of course not so much...but Beck was happy to have Stein on to say... "Seventy-five-thousand people at an outdoor sports palace, well, that's something the Fuehrer would have done"

Does that mean that Beck is conducting a version of the Nuremberg outdoor rally tomorrow? How can one come to any other conclusion. Bernie is simply reiterating what Beck and Stein have already aired.

Really Scott if you keep it up about Bernie's comment on a blog but are not concerned about Beck and his guest's comments on a very highly rated TV show, we are going to have to play the Hypocrite card on you.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

ruk:

"I believe this is the first time in my many months on this blog to ever see you go to the Nazi card."

You believe wrong. Bernie in fact seems quite fond of doing this. He has no shame.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Q.B. You have my sympathy...and some empathy although I don't travel nearly as much as you and so I can't really feel your pain.

I can imagine however in addition to all the security checks...small seats...unless you're one of those lucky guys who gets to fly up front because of your mileage...but what must really suck is the separation from your family. Have a great weekend.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

@Scott - you can perhaps imagine, given Beck's strategy of equating your President and Commander in Chief with Hitler, how deeply moved and affected I am by your protestations.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"The enormous tragedy in Pakistan and our warped response to it..."

"Our" warped response? Speak for yourself. What makes you think you have the slightest idea how anyone else is responding to it?

What is truly warped is the Bernie/liberal notion of compassion. Taxing the "bejesus" out of the wealthy so you can send OPM to those you favor, and then patting yourself on the back for your virtue. That's what is warped.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Just saw your post above ru... very nice.

I find I've simply lost patience with this degree of blind idiocy.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"...how deeply moved and affected I am by your protestations."

I suffer no illusions about appealing to your conscience, such as it is.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Scott. Billionaires who've made their money off tobacco and petroleum and war ought to be able to run three or four yaughts and a small fleet of jets and helicopters for personal use while we watch thousands die. Who says America ought not to emulate the moral vision of a shark?

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

qb:

"You shame yourself . . . yet again."

Just noticed that you beat me to it.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Yacht, my boy, yacht.

Regards,

Thurston Howell, III

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

@ruk: "I believe this is the first time in my many months on this blog to ever see you go to the Nazi card."

I think it was a point about how drawing large crowds is, in and of itself, not a meritorius accomplishment. That being said, Nazis are a really easy reach for such a comparison. That is, boring, IMO. The bi-partisan effort to assert everything we don't like us evocative of Nazi Germany strikes me as a failure of imagination on the part of all of us.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 27, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

That got a laugh, tao. I always get that one wrong. Early Danish. Figures.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

B,

Up on the North Coast in Ogdensburg we pronounce it:

yeah-chet

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"Billionaires who've made their money off tobacco and petroleum and war....

And, of course, most of the "very wealthy" out of whom you are happy to tax the "bejesus" gained their wealth from tobacco and petroleum and war. Your ignorant (and I mean that in a very literal sense) bigotry is no different than the Islamaphobes you make so much of.

There certainly is "blind idiocy" on this board, but its source is not what you'd like to think.

"...ought to be able to run three or four yaughts and a small fleet of jets and helicopters for personal use while we watch thousands die."

You want to help the thousand who are dying? Then pull out your wallet or get off your a** and do something for them. Maybe learn a skill that would actually be helpful to them, or one that will earn you enough money to be able to buy them the help they need. But spare us the self-righteous complaints that "we" (which of course means not you but someone else) aren't doing enough. Again, you haven't the slightest idea what anyone else is doing to help others, and that includes the guy who made his money from tobacco or petroleum or war or any other endeavor that Bernie sniffs his nose at.

Get off your high horse and help, if help is what you desire for these people.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin - Yup. Though as I suggested above, as sympathetic as I am to Godwin's standard, absolutes are a temptation to be avoided.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

@Scott - So, does this mean our date is off for tomorrow?

Posted by: bernielatham | August 27, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Bernie:

"So, does this mean our date is off for tomorrow?"

You need new material. You've used this one before...although admittedly not quite as often as your tired and cliched allusions to Nazis when something displeases Bernie's acute sense of justice.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 27, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Honey, does this acute sense of justice make me look fat?

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

tao, did you surf over to the Secretly Canadian web site yet?

You gotta get some merch.

Posted by: BGinCHI | August 28, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

You should be fined for not having insurance because if you have an emergency and go to the emergency room, then you do not have the money for the bill, it gets charged to everyone else. Get medical insurance for your entire family at the best price from http://bit.ly/9fDY7U. By contributing to the pool and doing your part, overall costs come down. Its like stores that have to charge more because of all the theft. People go to the hospital and then not pay, it gets charged to everyone else.

Posted by: markusjone28 | August 28, 2010 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Sailboat, my boy, sailboat.

Regards,

John F. Kerry

Posted by: quarterback1 | August 28, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Ruk,

Just realized I misread your post last night. I thought you were referring to an answer to me. (Wow, I was spaced out.)

I typed up a long, windy answer for you the other night. I think it's on the Tuesday or Wed thread about the mosque and "Cheneyization."

Posted by: quarterback1 | August 28, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

"Eighteen months ago, many were moved to the streets by a belief that they had been not listened to by their representatives in Washington. (“How dare they ignore us?” reads a sign often seen at Tea Party rallies.) Now, encouraged by Tea Party leaders and people like Mr. Beck and Andrew Breitbart, whose BigGovernment.com is a source of news for many Tea Party supporters, they have adopted the language of the civil rights movement to describe their cause. Their sense of persecution has become a galvanizing force." http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/28/us/politics/28beck.html?hp

Aside from the numerous perversities re Beck as King or Freedom Works as grassroots etc, the adoption of civil rights language is not new. As Easton reports in "Gang of Five", Clint Bollick developed the strategy much earlier and it has been a fundamental (and successful) propaganda tool for the right for some two decades. Here's a bit on Clint (but pick up Gang of Five - used copies for a couple of dollars and it's essential reading) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Bolick

Posted by: bernielatham | August 28, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Possible Breitbart accounting of Gomes' release from N Korea...

"Imagine what a pantie-waist wuss this guy must be if he has to be rescued by Jimmy Carter."

Posted by: bernielatham | August 28, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Self Described "Rodeo Clown" Today holds a DC Rally to "Restore Honor" to America.

From the NY Times

" Mr. Beck says he believes every word he says on his TV show, and the radio show that he still hosts from 9 a.m. to noon each weekday. [...]

At the same time, though, he says he is an entertainer. “I’m a rodeo clown,” he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” [...]

He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’“

Posted by: Liam-still | August 28, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Great example of bamboozlement, ain't it, Liam? The guy has managed to do what Limbaugh couldn't - to take the Limbaugh schtick to TV.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 28, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

You folks ought to read Broder today... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/27/AR2010082703804.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

I'm really at a loss for appropriate words at how vacuous and empty this column is. The fellow seems, now, utterly incapable of risking a statement of opinion.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 28, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Bernie,

Glenn Beck is a unique "Rodeo Clown", since he is the only one plying that trade, who persuades his audience to run through the Bull Shite, and dive into the barrels.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 28, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Bernie,

Broder, much like Helen Thomas, has stayed too long at the fair. The man is eighty years old.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 28, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

@Q.B. I tried to find it but failed. Could you either link it or cut and paste here for me. I appreciate that you took the time to compose it and I would like to see your thoughts.

@Bernie....I am 100% agreement with you about your observations of Broder. However I've switched to the nisleib school of kindness and have decided to not take shots at people who simply don't know any better.

I feel sorry for Broder. He is a dinosaur who doesn't realize he's well past retirement. Some thinkers/pundits can perform well into advanced age...others not so much.

As for Broder I'm not sure if he's stuck in the 70's or 80's or some other time before Gingrich led the R's into the party of no in the mid 90's...or whether he is literally losing his edge...his ability to think clearly...he is certainly not worthy of a national platform any longer...but because I too miss the days of bi-partisanship and civility...and because I too am growing older...I kinda feel sorry for him.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 28, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, all. Here's your open thread:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/open_thread_2.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 28, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

...and of course feel free to repost any of the above posts in the new thread to get the convo going...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/open_thread_2.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 28, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I came across this on TPM.

Twitter:

http://twitter.com/PJCrowley/status/22300291485

"
Americans should heed our #travel warning and avoid North Korea. We only have a handful of former Presidents. http://go.usa.gov/cAO #DPRK about 16 hours ago via web Retweeted by 100+ people

PJCrowley
Philip J. Crowley"

..................

Crowley is the Assistant Secretary of State for Public Affairs, i.e., chief spokesman at the State Department.


Posted by: Liam-still | August 28, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

[Greg Sargent asked: "Maybe Kaddafi can enlighten us as to the acceptable size of the Mosque Exclusion Zone?"]

I've never advocated such a "Zone." The concept is a red herring. Nobody suggested removing the many mosques already dotting NYC. As has been stated and restated (repeatedly, ad nauseum) to the unassailably ignorant here, anti-jihadists folks are objecting (SPECIFICALLY) to the Islamo-supremacists of Cordoba House erecting a mega-mosque.

Just as Leftists would (properly) reject KKK Crann Tara monuments near MLK memorials, anti-jihadists reject sharia law vendors desecrating Ground Zero.

In fact, anti-jihadists are advocates for Secular Islam-- but don't hold your breath waiting for the Cordoba House cabal (and their jihadist financiers) backing these genuinely moderate secular Muslims.

I don't see why those very reasonable objections are so difficult for Bloomberg (and his Quislings for Cordoba) to apprehend. A super majority (70%) of Americans (both Muslim and non-Muslim) certainly seem to get it.

But being reasonable isn't really the objective of Quisling jihad advocates, is it Greg? Can we at least be honest about that?

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 28, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've paid Greg the courtesy of responding to his silly red herring, will Greg ever publicly apologize to the secular Muslim NY Cabbie and his family for joining Bloomberg's campaign to incite pro-jihad mosque vigilantism?

It's past time to take a little ownership for Bloomberg's orchestrated Islamo-supremacist advocacy campaign.

What gets lost in all Greg's recent demogoguery is that the Muslim cabbie victim is himself a hateful hater, bigot, inauthentic, xenophobic, neanderthal-- at least, if you go by the criterion set out by Bloomberg (and his Quisling toadies in the media): Opposing the mosque is "Islamophobia"-- period. Right?

As an anti-jihadist, however, I’m inclined to observe that the Muslim cabbie’s pretty much consonant in his opinion of the Cordoba mosque with a super majority (70%) of his fellow Americans.

That Greg and the rest of Bloomberg's proteges will be disappointed to discover the opinion of this Muslim cabbie apostate tells you all you need to know about the two "sides" of this debate.

Own it, Quislings.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 28, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

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