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Liz Cheney breaks with Bushies over Imam behind "Ground Zero mosque"

As you've probably heard, Republicans are currently attacking the Obama administration for sending Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the "Ground Zero mosque," to the Mideast to discuss life for Muslims in America. The problem with this attack line, as many have noted, is that this Imam was chosen for this program by none other than the Bush administration.

That's absurd enough on its own. But I wanted to highlight another interesting aspect of this: The attack has now been joined by diehard "Ground Zero mosque" opponent Liz Cheney -- whose father, of course, was a fairly high level member of the administration that originally sent the Imam to the Middle East for the same reason the Obama administration is now doing.

The program in question is run by the State Department, which is sending the Imam on a speaking tour designed to explain to Muslims abroad what life is like as a Muslim in the United States. Republican officials such as Pete King have blasted the program. But the State Department has defended the move by reiterating that the Imam is well known for his "work on tolerance" and his "moderate perspective" -- and that the Bush administration sponsored a similar speaking tour.

Now Liz Cheney's group, Keep America Safe, has responded, blaring on its Website that the State Department "ignores facts" if it thinks the Imam is a "moderate." It has also posted links to criticism of the move and approvingly posted video of a Fox News anchor hectoring a State Department official over the move:

Amusingly enough, members of the administration presided over by Liz's father, such as Karen Hughes, included this Imam in administration programs designed to improve relations with Muslim countries.

The Cheney wing of the Bush administration, of course, was always further to the right than other administration insiders on national security matters involving relations with Muslim countries. So in a sense it's not surprising that Liz would break with Bushies over this.

But what's key here is that the Cheneyite position is now the mainstream Republican one. The Cheneyite world view has supplanted that of the more moderate Repubican national security establishment -- not to mention that of many Bushies, who maintained that good relations with Islam is a desirable goal. The Cheneyites set the tone for the stances of many Republicans in high-profile national security political fights.

By Greg Sargent  |  August 12, 2010; 12:32 PM ET
Categories:  Foreign policy and national security , House GOPers  
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Comments

Where's Condi Rice? Colin Powell?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 12, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

This has nothing to do with the Imam in question.

This is entirely about Republican electoral fortunes and how best to use the "Southern Strategy" that the Republicans have been using for 40 years.

The GOP's goal is NOT to stop the mosque; it is to inject racial tension into the national debate.

I'm sure the GOP would much rather run around shrieking like a preteen at a Jonas Brothers concert and pointing at people while yelling, "Scary black man! Scary Black man! Scary Black man!" But they found out during the 60s that that didn't work so well.

Posted by: nisleib | August 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Who (except for the far Right) expects anything that this fool says to be logical.

Posted by: Lefty_ | August 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

So former nepotism State Department employee Liz Cheney is complaining about actions started in the State Department she was given a job at because of who her daddy was? Whatever.

Posted by: zattarra | August 12, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to watch Karen Hughes duke it out with Lizzie on this topic. And Ethan, good question about Rice & Powell. Where are the moderate Republicans?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 12, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

You mean Bush set up this government paid whirlwind trip around the world for the Iman too?

That rascal Bush, has his fingers into everything?

Posted by: theaz | August 12, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

cheney..
you know it's said cheee-knee
, not chain-ey .

dick didn't like how chee-knee sounded so he tried to alter the pronouncation..
it's Cheeeee-knee

Posted by: newagent99 | August 12, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I think the headline is supposed to read "Liz Cheney Breaks With Reality".

Posted by: overed | August 12, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect overed, that would imply there had at one time been a connection to reality. I prefer "Liz Cheney Steps In It Again".

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 12, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

This article completely overstates the facts to reach the desired progressive/leftist/liberal conclusion that the GOP is moving right. How is this conclusion reached? By showing that the former VP's daughter disapproves of a newly-famous imam whose decade of remarks is finally receiving public attention due to the Cordoba House / Park 151 controversy. Prior to this controversy, the imam's controversial remarks were not unknown except to the savants. Thus, the Bush administration employed the imam based on his general bromides about tolerance and coexistence. But now that his decade of controversial and offensive statements have arisen, Liz Cheney opposes using this imam as a representative of the United States.

I fail to see how this is evidence that the GOP as a whole has somehow shifted to a more hardline, right-wing, extremist ideological philosophy to foreign policy. Instead, it seems to be an example of the author's own confirmation bias.

Posted by: Dellis2010 | August 12, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Liz Cheney, daughter of Dick "The Father of American Torture", is a chip off the old "executioner's" block.

Posted by: apspa1 | August 12, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Greg, it's a whole lot worse than merely her daddy's administration supporting Rauf. She personally was responsible at State for the big democratization and hearts-and-minds spending program for the region -- the Middle East Partnership Initiative (se wikipedia for details). Karen Hughes' public diplomacy was openly designed to dovetail with MEPI's work with NGOs and local civil society groups as part of the Bush/Cheney neo-con "freedom agenda".

Of course, Liz's current trashing of the Iman may be nothing new, which might help explain why the MEPI was less than a roaring success under her leadership. But I'd expect, instead, that when the Iman fit nicely within the whole "remaking the Middle East as a liberal democracy" schtick, Liz was a big promoter of folks like the him being exploited by State's public diplomacy efforts.

Posted by: nadezhda04 | August 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

If the Cheney family is so set to defeat radical muslims...THEN WHY DON"T THEY JOIN UP, GET A RIFLE, AND START KILLING THEM? Instead of these faux protect america groups on K street.

Of course nobody in the Cheney family will actuall fight anybody....no, they get the other sons and daughters to do the dirty work while their buds at the Carlyle Group and other private equity groups makes BILLIONS of the war....seems like the Chensy family has a good system going.

Oh, the one Cheney daughter can't fight as she is a open lesbian..

Posted by: nowhine | August 12, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

No surprise there. Liz Cheney has proven herself to be nothing but a hateful bag of gas. Pick anything decent, moral, or in the American spirit, and she'll choose the opposite.

Posted by: hitpoints | August 12, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm confused about the GOP/Cheney's values! Is this Liz the Liz?

Posted by: editor4tonio | August 12, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Breaking with Bush is a start! Then she still has to break with the "Cheney" name and thinking! So, how is she doing as far as trying to look sexy, winking, pretending to be "Christian", and being sarcastic?? That's all Sarah Palin needed!

Posted by: Maerzie | August 12, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Dellis2010

Wow...

"a newly-famous imam whose decade of remarks is finally receiving public attention due to the Cordoba House / Park 151 controversy. Prior to this controversy, the imam's controversial remarks were not unknown except to the savants. Thus, the Bush administration employed the imam based on his general bromides about tolerance and coexistence."

So, what are these "controversial remarks"? I've certainly never heard them. And if Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf, was in fact making these comments all along, is it understandable that the Bush administration would have been completely in the dark about them, and relied instead on his "general bromides about tolerance and coexistence"?

I am sorry, but in this case either Bush was wrong to send the imam in the first place, or Liz Cheney is wrong in attacking Obama's decision to send him now.
You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

Posted by: smartypants13 | August 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

"hitpoints wrote: No surprise there. Liz Cheney has proven herself to be nothing but a hateful bag of gas. Pick anything decent, moral, or in the American spirit, and she'll choose the opposite."

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Well, she's just a chip off the old, CRABBY-FACED block! I wonder if she can hit what she aims at though as cleverly as her Dad!

Posted by: Maerzie | August 12, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, for someone born with a silver spoon in her mouth, Liz Cheney sure is a hater. She should be counting her blessings that she didn't start at the bottom rungs of society. I doubt she has the fortitude to pull herself up by her bootstraps. America has worked for the Cheneys' too bad the Cheneys' haven't worked for America.

Posted by: merrylees | August 12, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

America could have been kept a whole lot safer and many thousands of Americans, not to mention Iraqis and Afghanis, would still be alive and whole if Liz's daddy had stayed out of government.

Posted by: Sandydayl | August 12, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Simply proves that Republicans think for themselves rather than take the party line all the time. Republicans outside of Washington didn't like half of what Mr. Bush did, and the other half was pretty darn good. Thank you, Ms. Cheney.

Posted by: chilled | August 12, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I think allowing homophobic slurs in your comment section is not only shameful but shows how liberals play by two sets of rules.

'angriestdogintheworld1' should not be allowed to post such comments and liberals should condemn bigoted speach.

Posted by: grantpatterson | August 12, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Tell us about the "good half" chilled.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 12, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

The important thing, I think, is we haven't had to ignore liz "hater" cheney's WaPo screwball, op-ed offerings for quite some time.

Posted by: binkynh | August 12, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

grantpatterson:

I already reported "angriestdogintheworld!" abusive comment to the WaPo. You should too.

Posted by: smartypants13 | August 12, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

sorry to have offended you... I will re-phrase--Liz (whom I've known since 1986) is one angry non-breeder. But do indeed stifle free speech as that is what will make you consistent with your knee jerk ideology.

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld1 | August 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Is this the "good half" you're talking about:

the awful recession, looming tax rises and entitlement cuts, endless wars, tainted moral standing, crumbling infrastructure and massive debt that Obama inherited.

This is a recession caused by a collapse in a too-lightly regulated financial sector and a huge housing bubble sustained by the last administration. We have a debt fueled overwhelmingly by unaffordable tax cuts, two disastrous unfunded wars, and a new Medicare entitlement that was never paid for. None of this was Obama's doing. None of it.

And the great difficulty of moving out of this wasteland of unemployment is due, in part, to the extreme fiscal irresponsibility of the Bush-Cheney GOP.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/not-an-ounce-of-contrition.html

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 12, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Politic, politics and money! The little people is worth nothing here. This 'IMAN' has been a protegee of BOTH administrations. Each one takes time in attacking the other for the same reason. The point is one and only one: this Imam has given money by the truck load to both leaders of both administrations. That's the only explanation for having him protected by both the Bush/Cheney and Obama administrations. And us?

Nothing. We can't even express our opinions now without being attack of racists. It doesn't matter that logic and common sense may be moving us.

That the mosque NEAR, within blocks of GZ, is contrary to all the vilification of Muslims to which we were subjected in order to consent to an invasion of Iraq doesn't matter.

These are some of the manipulations and lies to which we are subjected:

1. we were told INITIALLY that they were going to construct a mosque as an 'homage' to the victims. Today we know that it is a CLUB, a la WYMC what is going to be built. A club is not a mosque even if one is inside. The cost and purpose of this leisure club is for profit. If it is owned by Muslims then their rules and laws will apply, probably including sex segregation.

2. In order to get the approval from NYC, this Imam must have distributed tons of money. There's no other way. We have seen our 'leaders' selling themselves and their cities for peanuts because the greed that moves them have no limits nor shame.

3. As I said before, nor Bush nor Cheney nor Obama do anything for free. This Imam is like that other 'heroe', Chalabi, remember him? He was presented to us as a heroe against Saddam and at the end the man was a corrupt greedy millionaire getting our money to lie to us so we consented to the invasion.


People, these Muslims have tons of money. Sending this guy as a 'representative' to the Middle East is just a job he got. He will say is for free but you can bet he gets millions is perks. Just as our ambassadors are positions actually bought by those who contributed the most to the president of turn, this 'envoy' of the 'good life of Muslims in the USA' is a bought position because he gave money to everybody.

On the other hand, what good life for mUslims here? They are entramped to become the latest patsies to maintain the fear of terrorism alive in us.


These politicians deserver the death penalty. Bush, Cheney, Cheney daughter, Obama, Pelosi, and all republicans and democrats in Congress.

Posted by: coqui44 | August 12, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Building a mosque any where near ground zero would be a slap in the face to all thoes who lost love ones on that day,and to the ones who survived. Why don't we just go to saudi Arabia and build a giant catholic church? Or baptist church right in the same area where thoes crazy muslims allways throw their rocks every year!!! Because they would cut your head off that's why!! Wake up America!! If there is any real America to wake up !George washington an Abe. Lincon and all the rest of our great leaders would turn over in their graves if they knew the poor state of our nation, mexico's silent envasion,man marring another man ,and cops trying to destroy your life cause you have a joint in your pocket...! Icant wait to vote in November!!!!!!$$$

Posted by: Wayneschoppe | August 12, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Muslims will not respond to this Imam. They don't seem too interested in what we have to say. Rather, they concentrate on what we do to them.

Posted by: jewishmother | August 12, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

liz is not qualified to comment on anything, she is a creature of nepotism, a liar and well it rhymes with runt.

Posted by: calif-joe | August 12, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"These politicians deserver the death penalty. Bush, Cheney, Cheney daughter, Obama, Pelosi, and all republicans and democrats in Congress."

LUNATIC ALERT!!!

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Posted by: howmalls | August 12, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@angriestdogintheworld1: "Liz (whom I've known since 1986) is one angry non-breeder."

Well, you apparently don't know her very well because it's her sister Mary that is a lesbian. Liz, btw, has 5 children.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 12, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Are we supposed to care what this woman says? She is a television commentator, and a very poor one at that, but then she got the job because of her name. As for this organization she set up.....just another one among so many.

Posted by: Aquarius1 | August 12, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I think allowing homophobic slurs in your comment section is not only shameful but shows how liberals play by two sets of rules.

'angriestdogintheworld1' should not be allowed to post such comments and liberals should condemn bigoted speach.


Posted by: grantpatterson | August 12, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

________________________________


Sigh. Homophobic slurs are not ALLOWED here. Jerks can post them, but if they are brought to the attention of WAPO they will be removed. As my friend smartypants pointed out, that is what the "report abuse" link is for. Would it be asking too much for you to reflect on your post and consider that your conclusions about liberals have no connection whatsoever to angriestdopeintheworld's bigoted and downright stupid outbursts? Finally, and more rhetorical than anything, but have you ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 12, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

lostinthemiddle, yes, they are outraged, OUTRAGED at the mere mention of someone being a homosexual.

And yet their agenda willfully discriminates against gays, Hispanic people, African-American people, Muslims, and pretty much every minority under the sun.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 12, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So, just to start, lets not resort to the common, "He did it first don't blame me" attitude. What I want is actually clips showing what he said that is so extreme. There must be some reason they selected him (Both Bush and Obama), so what was their reason. I want both sides of this debate actually presented, not just "Obama wants to kill America," and "Bush selected him first." If anyone has links to show this it would be very much appriciated. If not, Washington Post, why don't you get something out there that shows both arguments as they have best been made? Why was he selected and what is the case for him being too extreme?

Posted by: bmgoddard92 | August 12, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Cheney the torturer is to the left of most Republicans today.

Posted by: algasema2 | August 12, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Liz has broken with the Bush Administration?

Liz, darling, those a-hats left town 19 months ago. Your dad chief among them.

Good to play "catch-up" with you, though.

Posted by: chollynickabocka | August 12, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@Wayneschoppe | August 12, 2010 2:13 PM

I cannot accept this argument anymore. I'm sick of it. The Mosque is near ground zero, not on it. However, the fact that biggoted people accross the country have protested putting up any kind of mosques says that this isn't about 9/11 or ground zero anymore. This is about Muslims.

People are protesting against a religion because they refuse to take the time to learn about it. Our country has religious freedom and has had religious freedom since it was founded, a right further guaranteed by the first amendment. If you want to protest building a mosque ON ground zero, that would be one thing, something I would almost consider listening to. We're talking about replacing a Bloomingdales a couple blocks away with a privately financed mosque and community center to help promote religious tolerance. Give me a break.

P.S. I do know that according to at least one poll the majority of Americans oppose it. But the First Amendment was put in place to help protect the rights of minorities from the majority rule.

Posted by: bmgoddard92 | August 12, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

This is the same Liz Cheney who as a Bushevik was given a position in the State Department. Maybe she has some insider dope or maybe she just was one.

Posted by: whocares666 | August 12, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

These Liz Cheney stories always reminded me that Chelsea Clinton is a really classy lady.

Posted by: SInop65 | August 12, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

All those who care what Liz Cheney thinks please raise your hand.....

Anyone?

Posted by: RGee1 | August 12, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@Wayneschoppe | August 12, 2010 2:13 PM

I cannot accept this argument anymore. I'm sick of it. The Mosque is near ground zero, not on it. However, the fact that biggoted people accross the country have protested putting up any kind of mosques says that this isn't about 9/11 or ground zero anymore. This is about Muslims.

People are protesting against a religion because they refuse to take the time to learn about it. Our country has religious freedom and has had religious freedom since it was founded, a right further guaranteed by the first amendment. If you want to protest building a mosque ON ground zero, that would be one thing, something I would almost consider listening to. We're talking about replacing a Bloomingdales a couple blocks away with a privately financed mosque and community center to help promote religious tolerance. Give me a break.

P.S. I do know that according to at least one poll the majority of Americans oppose it. But the First Amendment was put in place to help protect the rights of minorities from the majority rule.

Posted by: bmgoddard92
__________________
and we don't let the general public even vote on local zoning issues either, let alone constitutional rights.

and isn't it amazing that those who invoke the founding fathers and the Constitution the loudest are the most ignorant of their purpose and its meaning?

Posted by: JoeT1 | August 12, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Well, if some posts here are to be believed, we are heading downhill.

The only thing I can think of that is worse than Liz Cheney on television, is Liz Cheney reproducing.

Hopefully, her dad will hang on until Estate Taxes are restored.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | August 12, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Liz who?

Posted by: areyousaying | August 12, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Liz, btw, has 5 children."

Any of them old enough to go off and fight for the latest crusade yet? Alas, no wars for the privlidged, for them its private schools, Wall Street, private clubs, McLean mansions, a new Benz...yadayada...

BTW, Muslims were killed in the 9/11 attacks along with christians, non-beleivers, jews, hindu, Budda, maybe even Wiccans...

Posted by: nowhine | August 12, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I will take Liz Cheney seriously when she hands back her trust funds- this is just a distraction for 'the little people' to wrap their heads around, while the multinationals like Halliburton continue unabated to do business with the despots, dictators, and corrupt 'kings' who fund the terrorists ....

Nice racket. 'Look away, look away.. '


Posted by: Gracefulboomer | August 12, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Liz Cheney had a job in the war planning office under Rumsfeld I believe, because she was an expert on Iraq. After a few short weeks she was gone, desk cleaned out puffttt! It seems as a member of the planning office she would be required to go to Iraq. Lord, help us...if Daddy Dick wouldn't go to Vietnam surely Liz couldn't go to Iraq. Hypocrites, all!

Posted by: janetal2004gmailcom | August 12, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent, a liberal, allowed one of the first 10 comments to be a homophobic slur. I did 'Report abuse' yet it wasn't removed for over an hour. Following that slur, not one liberal made mention of the insult. Again, in this thread, hate-speech directed at conservatives is acceptable.

As for freedom of speach claims - the first amendment protects us from the government, not each other. And as a private citizen, I am well within my rights in demanding that you not call Liz Cheney a "carpet muncher". The moderators agree and I thank them.

Posted by: grantpatterson | August 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Well ... as we found out with gwb all a person needs is a famous last name.
liz cheney is a "GADFLY" in the same category as Dr.Joyce Brothers, Robert Kagan, Anne Applebaum, Michael Gerson, Charles Krauthammer ... all people who have nothing but write speeches for someone else.

Posted by: knjincvc | August 12, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Greg, please tell us why this was worth 250 words.

Liz Cheney is not a public official, is not a candidate for public office, and there's no evidence that her opinions on any topic matter much to anyone on the left, right, or in the middle. In fact, if you checked the "community" page of the Keep America Safe website, you know that Keep America Safe has attracted only 30 people to date to its discussion groups.

If you can't find a person or topic to write about that actually matters, take the day off.

Posted by: exco | August 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Is it a Mosque or cultural center?

Posted by: knjincvc | August 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Reality? Facts? Liz doesn't need any of that silliness.

Posted by: jckdoors | August 12, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

typical revisionist tactics; if something is embarassing or contrary to your current message, either deny it or attempt to rewrite history.

this tactic is right out of the Joseph Goebbels handbook. The radical right has been throwing the label "Nazi" around a lot to smear the Obama Administration when, in fact, it is using the same tactics Hitler and his cronies used to lead Germans down a fatal path. And, unfortunately, a large number of true believers accept what is said rather than validating such pronouncements with research as to exactly what the truth is.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Or, not!

Posted by: bobfbell | August 12, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Republicans have realized that homophobia has run its course as a culture war wedge, so now they are trying out old fashioned nativism. There main targets this year are "illegals", which really means anyone with a Latino accent, and Muslims.

Nativism works well in times of economic troubles, and distracts the masses from the Corporations who created this mess in the first place. The last thing Republicans want is populism aimed at Wall Street, so direct it towards the nefarious "others".

Posted by: AxelDC | August 12, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

typical revisionist tactics; if something is embarassing or contrary to your current message, either deny it or attempt to rewrite history.

this tactic is right out of the Joseph Goebbels handbook. The radical right has been throwing the label "Nazi" around a lot to smear the Obama Administration when, in fact, it is using the same tactics Hitler and his cronies used to lead Germans down a fatal path. And, unfortunately, a large number of true believers accept what is said rather than validating such pronouncements with research as to exactly what the truth is.

You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Or, not!

Posted by: bobfbell | August 12, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

When is Liz Cheney going to run for public office - instead of safely hiding behind her TV commentary jobs and her right wing organization?

Posted by: pjsilva | August 12, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is such a failure, his only hope is to have his media lackeys run articles with the headlines containing the words "Bush Administriation."

Hey Obozo - the election was 2 years ago. You won. Take some responsibility, you socialist cretin, and stop blaming others.

Posted by: pgr88 | August 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney stated he had "other priorities in the '60s than military service. (was he formulating America's torture policies?)

When he became eligible for the draft, he applied for four deferments in sequence. He applied for his fifth exemption on January 19, 1966, when his wife was about 10 weeks pregnant (Liz).

Does Liz realize her presence on this earth is the result of her dad's cowardice?

Thousands of US men and women died in performance of their duty while Liz's dad was scrambling to seek five different exemptions.

One year later Dick Cheney was home (draft) free after Liz was conceived because he turned 26 and was no longer eligible for the draft.

Thousands more US men and women died in the remaining years of the war that Cheney so artfully avoided because of his "other priorities."

The word patriotism becomes a slur when uttered by Dick or daughter Liz.

Posted by: apspa1 | August 12, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

So Liz Cheney stayed silent when the Imam was part of her father's Administration, but yammers away now, because.......?

Oh yeah, because Liz Cheney is nothing more than a blithering, easily-debunked hypocrite, just like anyone who backs her or her warmongering, chickenhawk father.

And as regards this example of walking into a battle of wits, unarmed.....

"Obama is such a failure, his only hope is to have his media lackeys run articles with the headlines containing the words "Bush Administriation."

"Hey Obozo - the election was 2 years ago. You won. Take some responsibility, you socialist cretin, and stop blaming others.

"Posted by: pgr88 | August 12, 2010 4:53 PM"

Funny, I felt the exact same way every time Bush Jr, Cheney, or any of their worshipful sheeple pulled the "but.....but...Clinton" blather to deflect from their own self-inflicted failings.

And yet, the Bush Jr/Cheney flock still blames their failures on the Clinton Administration, so try again lil' trooper.

Posted by: kingcranky | August 12, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, would it be impolite of me to point out that Cheney's father directly ordered the transport of Ahmed Chalabi to Iraq after the invasion? Of course the embarassing part is that Chalabi turned out not to be an American supporter but an Iranian agent, responsible for stealing millions of dollars and supporting Shiite terrorism against American soldiers.

Posted by: 54465446 | August 12, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Not merely did Liz Cheney work in the State Dept, she was in the Near Eastern Affairs dept at the time that Karen Hughes was organising speaking tours with the Imam, wondered if she objected to his views then!

Posted by: rachbrit1 | August 12, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The headline of this article is the most disceptive I have ever seen in my life. As a former democrat, I am disgusted at the subterfuge of the left. Clearly this Iman did not seek a monument to Muslims during the Bush administration, and since he now does seek this, the situation has drastically changed. The Obama administration choosing him at this time, a time when he is seeking to put up a monument to the terrorists at ground zero, is clearly dispicable.


My prayer: One day the Democratic Party (and the Washington Post) will be returned to real Democrats, and the Socialists who infest the Democratic Party will be in the actual Socialist Party.

Posted by: FormerDemocrat | August 12, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Another "ROGUE" Conservative...


That's all the country needs is another "hot headed" female Rogue Conservative.

Posted by: lcarter0311 | August 12, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

life goes on and the world still turns without regard to anything Liz has to say.

Posted by: sux123 | August 12, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Liz probably makes her lesbian sister very proud to be an understanding and accepting person.

Posted by: kishorgala | August 12, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The Bush Administration ended 20 months ago. It is possible that more is known about Faisal Abdul Rauf now than was known two or three or four years ago. He may have seemed like a voice of moderation then, but may not seem so moderate now.

Or maybe it's the State Department that has changed, and the imam may have different instructions this time.

As for Liz Cheney, she is terrific -- not surprising since she has such great parents. Her mother Lynne is one of the best and brightest women in political life in the last 30 years -- I cannot think of a single woman as intelligent or competent. As for Liz's dad, he was an extraordinary vice-president, and secretary of defense, and member of Congress. There are many who trash him, but their criticisms are based on nothing. I don't think any VP in the 20th century was as competent to be president as Dick Cheney... but Lynne Cheney would have been even better. And maybe, someday, Liz Cheney.

Posted by: JBaustian | August 12, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but in 2010 nobody expects logic or historical consistency from Republicans anyway.

After all, it was Papa Bear Cheney who famously declared "Deficits don't matter."

Posted by: HughBriss | August 12, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

LOL. I love the fact that a partisan hack like Sargent spends his life obsessing over the obscure details of the politicians that he hates so much. Politicians who dont know he exists. LOL

Posted by: bobmoses | August 12, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Only the distorted mind of a Cheney (daddy once said "Deficits don't matter!") could believe it possible to take the Bush out of the Bushies!

Daughter Mary being the exception as she has shown she should not be held responsible for what her parents and sister say and do.

Posted by: apspa1 | August 12, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Sargent, take the politics out of it, if you can, and deal with the issue. This imam is not good for the USA, REGARDLESS OF WHO CHOSE HIM. Islam is a theocracy--a governmental system ruled by a religious figure. True Muslims will never embrace western values, and will always strive to conquer non-Muslims. That's a fact. Sargent, accept it and deal with it like a discerning adult.

Posted by: coffic | August 12, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

All the good and understanding liberals sure an odd way of expressing their good thoughts when it comes to anything that is Republican. One only had to read many of the threads to see why Obama is loved by some of the low life - At least the words that are written seem to be of that nature.

Posted by: sales7 | August 12, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The truth of this is that the republican conservative believes in a two class structure exactly as that put forward by Lenin and the democrat believes in a one class system exactly like that extrapolated by Lennon. I believe I like the latter best as it gives peace a chance, just IMAGINE!

Posted by: anOPINIONATEDsob | August 12, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"Deficits don't matter"

Oops! Sorry HughBriss. A case of coincidence not plagiarism.

Posted by: apspa1 | August 12, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

What's one more administrative representative going out to disparage the country? Could he do any more harm than President Obama himself?

Posted by: geezer64 | August 12, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

This article is so biased it is laughable. Journolister claptrap. Don't try to bamboozle us. "Hectoring", "Blaring". What third rate school did you graduate from? Interesting that right next to your name it says that you work hand in hand with "who runs gov". It's obvious to anyone reading this that you'll give O a hand with whatever he asks and we all know just how much he asks of his media cockroaches. Now go, little black cockroach, scurry away.

Posted by: fromwi | August 12, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent, a liberal, allowed one of the first 10 comments to be a homophobic slur. I did 'Report abuse' yet it wasn't removed for over an hour. Following that slur, not one liberal made mention of the insult. Again, in this thread, hate-speech directed at conservatives is acceptable.

As for freedom of speach claims - the first amendment protects us from the government, not each other. And as a private citizen, I am well within my rights in demanding that you not call Liz Cheney a "###########". The moderators agree and I thank them.

Posted by: grantpatterson | August 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse
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At the time that post was made Sargent was working; it is not his job to monitor every single comment in real-time. Nor is it at all unreasonable that your report was not responded to instantaneously. The world, it turns out, does not revolve around your demands.

Your desperation to portray yourself as a victim is as obvious as the insincerity of your protest. Why, given your professed objection to the lowlife message of angriest..., would you then go and repeat it? The Post went to the trouble of removing the offending remark and now you've just posted it again. I know you will continue to fail to understand this, but the removal of the post demonstrates beyond doubt that the hate speech you claim is acceptable is in fact not accepted at all.

As to people choosing not to comment on it, many people believe, given the clear immaturity of such posts, that there is nothing to be gained from engaging with that type of poster. Furthermore, if one has gone to the trouble of reporting the post and anticipates its removal, it is sensible to simply let it disappear. Your choice to conclude that silence equals support demonstrates nothing about anyone but you.

Given that such an obvious and irrefutable demonstration still can not penetrate your sense of victimhood, and since you have expressed such disdain for Mr. Sargent, perhaps you should consider posting instead with the Hax-philes. Who knows, you may find something to help recognize when you're begging for pity. That could do wonders for your credibility.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 12, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The Imam has moved closer to Muslim perspectives on American life. It was difficult to find an Imam who would speak at all about America and the Muslim world in the Bush years. I would also think the current administration is more in line with current Muslim thought - Obama the world citizen. Liz Cheney is warning us to watch for the future world of Muslim mosques at every important spot to Americans courtesy of Islamo-fascism. Watch out more mosques are coming paid for by oil dollars. Remember that churches and synagogues cannot be built just anywhere but our "tolerance" liberals will build mosques everywhere. The world of the progressive is going to destroy us.

Posted by: ghipp | August 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Get a grip, ghipp.

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 12, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I want an investigation into the group building this mosque. This group has been in court before with questionable fund raising and funneling of money to Hamas.
And the most unbelievable thing I have heard is our state department is sending this questionable character on a mission for them. Are they nuts? There is not one reason this wacky person should be going anywhere on our dime. This is the reason so many are so angry at big government.
You know, this just infuriates me that they are wasting our money and these people have no business shoving this in the face of those who lost love ones in this vicious attack.
We need to vote these radical progressives out of office. This is just nonsense. Republicans, you had me at hello.

Posted by: greatgran1 | August 12, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Every time I think I have found the biggest Buffoon in the media a new contender arises.

Who hired this Bozo?

Imam, Schmam he's a self-serving political hack for Islam... You don't recognize one?
Shame on you, after seeing two!

Posted by: DrMysterious | August 12, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Liz Cheney has never been elected to any office but feels free to comment and criticize everything Pres. Obama does. It is easy to watch from the sidelines and criticize when you have no resposibility for anything. I can't figure out why she gets so much attention. If Dick Cheney, that famous "chickenhawk", wasn't her father no one would have ever heard of her.

Posted by: jp1943 | August 12, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Liz Cheney has never been elected to any office but feels free to comment and criticize everything Pres. Obama does. It is easy to watch from the sidelines and criticize when you have no resposibility for anything. I can't figure out why she gets so much attention. If Dick Cheney, that famous "chickenhawk", wasn't her father no one would have ever heard of her.

Posted by: jp1943 | August 12, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

It's not about reality with the Cheneys. It's about a story that perpetuates war, so their economic and power interests are served.

Posted by: MHawke | August 12, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

"this Imam was chosen for this program by none other than the Bush administration."
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No, tell me it isn't so....it had to have been Jimmy Carter's fault. Why we had gas lines in America for the first time under Jimmy...no wait a minute, that was in 1973...who was that president then...hmmm.
Regardless, if it wasn't Jimmy's fault, then it must be Clinton's fault somehow. Republicans are becoming such fun! And they are depending on AMENESIA for the previous administration's policies to try to get reelected. America - you woke up in 2008---keep awake and let's not return to the policies that created the mess we are in. If those rich folks being less taxed creates jobs, then why weren't any created?

Posted by: Sherry91 | August 13, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Where are the moderate Republicans?
Posted by: suekzoo1
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They're probably not voting republican anymore...like many of us never will again. The party of Lincoln and Eisenhower is dead, and have been replaced with Confederates. If you don't want a revolution every 20 years, tax breaks for your rich friends, pretty much hate anyone that is brown and blame them for all of America's woes, talk out both sides of your mouth, call the unemployed lazy, want to do away with social security, change your position every time you are taped, then you just won't fit in anymore...oh well, those tea party hats with the tea bags aren't my thing anyway!

Posted by: Sherry91 | August 13, 2010 1:56 AM | Report abuse

"Remember that churches and synagogues cannot be built just anywhere but our "tolerance" liberals will build mosques everywhere. The world of the progressive is going to destroy us.

"Posted by: ghipp | August 12, 2010 8:31 PM"

Poor baby, do you always wet yourself in terror if you read, or hear, the word "Islam"?

I thought the US was "the home of the brave", but apparently for those Liz Cheney sheeple, it's only "brave" to want to shred our Constitution and appease "freedom hating terrorists".

OH, and if you can quote ANY zoning laws in the US that specifically ban churches and synagogues while at the same time allowing mosques, do point it out, otherwise, it's nothing more than easily-debunked claptrap and paranoia.

Posted by: kingcranky | August 13, 2010 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Our tax dollars should not be fund such activities. I don't care who opposes such actions, but I applaud them. It is arrogant and condescending for the state department to even think of funding such activites. I hope that the corrupt congress will at least have enough sense of decency to stop these activities.

Posted by: Prof-Dr-G | August 13, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Apparently the aphorism has been revised.

Now, "Extremism in the pursuit of lunacy is no vice, and moderation in retreat from sanity is no virtue".

Or something like that. Pogo was right. We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Posted by: Iconoblaster | August 13, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Dear Mr Sargent. I think it is very appropriate to change our stance regarding this Mulsim immam. He has now demonstrated his true colors as an enemy of our Country. In addition I feel that the State Department (run by a leftist) and the office of the President (also run by a leftist) would surely approve of dragging this Enemy of the State around the globe bellowing his nonsense about Muslim tolerance and Life in America.

Mr. bush and his administration was obviously hoodwinked by this man - we now have identified who he really is - no church, synogoge, temple or mosque should be allowed to take up, not only prime real estate but, space that belongs to the hearts of the Citizens of the United States. We are at War with these people - are you as stupid as Chamberlain?

We need to fight those that wish us harm - and Islam teaches destruction of the Infidel and is represented by the Cordoba Initiative where non-muslims will be forced to accept Sharia Law and whose beliefs will not be tolerated. You are a fool if you think otherwise.

Paco

Posted by: pacoofamerica | August 13, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Liz Cheney is never right. You don't even have to check things out when she is against. I have heard more misinformation spouting from her mad. Sad but true. This iman is famously moderate. I am far more afraid of the religious right up in the woods with thier guns. Remember Timothy McVeigh; he lived in a barn.

Posted by: withersb | August 13, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The Park Place Islamic Center is just one of the many anti-Islam mosque protests going on around the country in California, Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Connecticut, Tennessee, which seem to be growing every week. It is short-sighted to believe such coast-to-coast campaigns against Muslims revolves only around the Park Place center, Imam Rauf, or even NYC. The truth is we have people around the country actively working against religious freedom.
See http://bit.ly/islamprotests

For those in Washington DC, there is going to be a public rally on 9/11 at Freedom Plaza in Washington DC at 2 PM for those who believe in our freedom of religion and freedom of worship.

See http://bit.ly/dc911

Posted by: responsiblepublic | August 13, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The "Bushies" also made nice with the Saudis after 911. Was that the right policy too? This smacks of appeasement. When will the weak-kneed left ever learn?

Posted by: jerzyrhodes | August 14, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Just when one would think that things could not get any odder for the hardline rightwing of the Republican Party, it has. Traditional politics be damned. It just goes to prove that whatever Obama and his administration do, even when following precedent set by the complaining opposition, he will be attacked. If he walks on both feet, he should have hopped on only one. These crazies have to return to the "Snake Pit."

Posted by: EarlC | August 14, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives never said Bush was a conservative -- and he was not in any form.

Now, just because Bush made a mistake on Rauf, and Obama makes the same mistake, does that mean that Obama is right on the issue of whether or not Rauf is a "moderate.?"

An imam who does not want to condemn the racist group Hamas as a terrorist group is not a "moderate," he is a radical.

Rauf said that the U.S. was "an accessory" to the 9/11 bombings by Islamic extremist; and he has never retracted that statement. Is that a "moderate" statement? No, it is an extremist statement.

The reality is that Bush made many mistakes, but Obama is not bound by law to make the same mistakes. I thought Obama was the "change" candidate and was going to change things.

Making the same mistake Bush did does not excuse Obama. The weakest argument Obama could possibly make is, "Well Bush made this mistake first."

Someone said that Obama was smart. Is repeating Bush's mistake smart?

Posted by: RonKH | August 15, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Sargent how is your buddy, Weigel, the hack WaPo hired to cover conservatives and revealed himself on Journ-o-List as a hater of conservatives.

Maybe you should get your resume up to date. With the continually declining circulation and advertising, WaPo may soon join its sister pub, Newsweek.

You know it was finally sold --

-- for one (1) dollar.

Posted by: RonKH | August 15, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

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