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Media Matters to run ad on Fox News touting News Corp's $1 million donation to GOP

Media Matters, which has raised the torturing of Fox News to a high art, has come up with a new one: The group is trying to run an ad touting News Corporation's widely-reported $1 million contribution to the Republican Governors Association -- on Fox, during Bill O'Reilly's show.

A Media Matters official sends over the ad, which you can watch below, and the spot coincides with a new front the group is opening against Fox: Media Matters and several other groups are about to call on the White House Correspondents Association to consider yanking Fox's front-row seat in the White House press room.

The idea behind the ad is that Fox News devoted little to no coverage at all to its parent company's $1 milllion donation, even though it was widely covered by many other news outlets and was widely pilloried by Dems as proof that Fox is a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP. By running the ad during O'Reilly's show, Fox's most watched program, Media Matters hopes to bring to Fox viewers' atttention what Fox News mostly wouldn't:

The ad reports the News Corp. donation in straightforward fashion, with no attack on Fox, in order to make it tougher for Fox to refrain from running it. If the network does turn it down, of course, that could earn the ad some free coverage, keeping the story about the donation going.

Separately, Media Matters, along with two goo goo groups -- Center for Media and Democracy, and Public Campaign -- are sending a letter today to the White House Correspondents' Association asking the group to reconsider allowing Fox to remain in the White House press room. The crux of their case:

What message does it send to reward a "news outlet" that ideologically and financially supports the Republican Party with a place of distinction in the White House briefing room? How is the country better served by continuing to disregard Fox News' unabashed partisan tilt even as it becomes more and more obvious?

This is an issue that transcends mere ideological squabbling. If democracy demands a free press, then it also demands that partisan political outfits not be treated as legitimate news outlets or rewarded for masquerading as such. It also demands that news outlets maintain strict financial separation from the political parties and candidates they're supposed to cover. The White House Correspondents Association can demonstrate its commitment to preserving the media's role as independent agents of good governance by rescinding Fox News' front-row spot in the White House briefing room.

News Corp.'s $1 million donation to the Republican Governors Association is perhaps the best ammunition yet for those trying to undercut Fox's claim of being "fair and balanced," and Media Matters is doing its best to keep the story going. But in a general sense, other news outlets have been surprisingly receptive to Fox's claim that it's a legit news outlet, so it's anbody's guess whether this story will continue or whether it will die quietly.

UPDATE, 4:07 p.m.: In one place above I erroneously described the donation as coming from Fox, not News Corp. I've edited the post to correct.

By Greg Sargent  |  August 23, 2010; 1:36 PM ET
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This will probably help Fox News. After all conservatives outnumber liberals in this country by a 2 to 1 margin.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-Conservatives-Outnumber-Moderates-Liberals.aspx

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"They don’t seem bothered by the fact that General Electric, the parent company of NBC, CNBC, and MSNBC, has given more than $1.75 million this cycle, including $1,097,423 to Democratic candidates and committees and $651,413 to GOP candidates and committees.

"Last cycle, GE gave $2.2 million to Democrats, $1.1 million to Republicans.

"Of course, GE owns more than the NBC networks. But then again, News Corp. also owns Dow Jones and the Wall Street Journal, a slew of newspapers in Australia and the U.K., 20th Century Fox, the Fox network, FX channel, a portion of the National Geographic Channel, and Fox Sports Channel, and book publisher HarperCollins."

http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/244174/campaign-donations-we-are-different-somehow

Posted by: sbj3 | August 23, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I think it's pretty funny watching conservatives fight to protect the right of a "fair and balanced" organizations right to drop 1 million bucks on a political party.

At this point, they aren't even trying to hide the fact Fox = GOP. They are fervently trying to defend it.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 23, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

Picking up from your comment on the last thread regarding the Egyptian Coptics who were run off by the nota-mosque protestors, there was another similiar incident where a black guy wearing a skull cap was run off, too. Turns out, he's a carpenter working at GZ.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37006_Video-_Anti-Mosque_Mob_Turns_On_Black_Union_Carpenter

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This whole effort seems entirely intended to increase interest in Fox News and boost ratings for the already ratings-leading network. I'm not sure why Media Matters, Center for Media and Democracy, and Public Campaign are cooperating with this naked ratings gimmick, but . . . there ya go.

The biggest win for Fox is going to be if the Whitehouse ejects them out of the Whitehouse briefing room. The hubub for that would be gigantic, and do nothing but increase Fox's ad revenues.

Glenn Beck will have to add several more blackboards to explain it, however.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for August 19, 2010
Total Day
FNC – 1,142,000 viewers
CNN – 397,000 viewers
MSNBC – 340,000 viewers
CNBC – 180,000 viewers
HLN – 270,000 viewers

Prime Time
FNC – 2,427,000 viewers
CNN – 610,000 viewers
MSNBC –708,000 viewers
CNBC – 188,000 viewers
HLN – 439,000 viewers

http://tvbythenumbers.com/category/ratings/cable-news

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is a Propaganda Arm of The Republican Party? Really? I am shocked to hear that. Shocked, I tell you!

I had always considered Roger Ailes to be a Raging Liberal. Didn't we all?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 23, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Saw that Sue, thanks.

Is there any more evidence that people need in order to come to the conclusion that these anti-Cordoba hate groups are expressing blind, spastic bigotry?

It couldn't be more obvious. These two incidents are proof positive. Case closed.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

OT, and maybe ya'all have covered this already, but I found this very interesting:


“It’s standard operating procedure” to pay bloggers for favorable coverage, says one Republican campaign operative. A GOP blogger-for-hire estimates that “at least half the bloggers that are out there” on the Republican side “are getting remuneration in some way beyond ad sales.”

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/23/true-stories-of-bloggers-who-secretly-feed-on-partisan-cash/

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib,
The article you cite states that BOTH sides engage in this.

From the same article...

"On the left, many of the once independent bloggers are now employed by, or receive money from, liberal organizations like Media Matters, the Center for American Progress and Campaign for America’s Future."


Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

niesleib,

Aren't you getting paid directly from diverted Federal ACORN funding like the rest of us?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 23, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone here imagine if the Democratic Party owned a major media network and one of the principal owners was from SAUDI ARABIA?

It is utterly ridiculous that in today's age of communication and research -- with all the advancements in science, medicine, technology -- we have to put up with a network channel that is dedicated to out-and-out FRAUD as a major aspect of its reporting.

It is utterly insane that this is our reality.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat - Yes, and they name two liberal bloggers who make money consulting, but the thing is both of the bloggers named routinely disclose who they are working for.

Right wing bloggers don't. That is why Aaron Park, a right wing blogger, was booted from Red County, a right wing blog.

And I haven't heard of anything like this on the left:


"In California, where former eBay executive Meg Whitman beat businessman Steve Poizner in a bitterly fought primary battle in the campaign for governor, it sometimes seemed as if there was a bidding war for bloggers."

A bidding war for bloggers? Lefty bloggers aren't bought off by the Dems, they are called f'ing ret@arded...

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Ethan = xenophobic

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Ethan: "Can anyone here imagine if the Democratic Party owned a major media network and one of the principal owners was from SAUDI ARABIA?"

Couple that with the anti-Muslim retoric, and that fact that the right is not interested in investing in renewable fuel sources so we don't continue to send money to ME countries with a plethora of fundamental Islamists, and it's all so damn confusing....what is it that these people stand for? Anyone?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington - No, darn it!

All this time holding down a real job...

So where do I apply?

Seriously though, is this just a matter of scale? Do lefty bloggers do the same thing to the same extent? I wouldn't be surprised if there were some lefty bloggers with a conflict of interest, but that article makes it sound like it is par for the course for Republicans. And the Daily Caller is a rightwing site, isn't it? Isn't it the site that posted the Journolist stuff?

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

FYI nisleib, Greg Sargent IS getting paid to blog his opinions, and they do seem to be decidedly left leaning ones.

Greg, in the name of full disclosure, do you admit to being paid to promote leftist ideology?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat - Nobody is denying that some bloggers get paid to issue their opinions. There is nothing wrong with that.

What is wrong, and apparently what is happening on the rightwing bloggosphere, is that individual candidates are paying bloggers to support them. And, most importantly, the rightwing bloggers are NOT disclosing this.

This is not the same as hiring an Ezra Klein or Greg Sarget to blog about politics from a lefty perspective.

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@suekzoo1: "here was another similiar incident where a black guy wearing a skull cap was run off, too. Turns out, he's a carpenter working at GZ."

I didn't think I could be less sympathetic towards the notamosque protestors, Sue, that I already was. But you (and Ethan) have proved to me that I actually can be so unsympathetic I'm actually starting to actively dislike them.

You know, it's one thing to say, however counter-factually, that something is hollowed ground and because the terrorist who killed 3000 people all used box cutters that putting a office supply store that sells box cutters two blocks away is unacceptable. However, when, during your anti office store demonstration, you start chasing away your fellow protestors (like the guy who works down at the rent-a-car, because his jacket looks like those of the office supply store, and the engineer from Seattle, because he wears a pocket protector, like some people might buy at an office supply store), you've gone so far off the deep end that even the internal logical of your already hyper-emotional argument has become an incoherent mess.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Nisleib. I'm guessing FDL isn't on the DNC payroll. Neither is Huffington Post or OpenLeft. TMP are pretty pro-admin and so are the people at The Washington Monthly and Baloonjuice. They must clearly be on the DNC payroll. Alternet and Washington Independent seem to report evenhandedly.

Considering conservatism is based on a fairytale where we would function great if we cut the Govn't in half and privatized all social programs I wouldn't be surprised if right wing commentators were paid to pass on as fact the garbage they mask in patriotism and freedom. The whole movement is a scam being pushed by corporate greed that is willing to drag down our workers standards to that of India and China.

Whatever it takes to compete globally, even if it means our workers and lifestyles suffer immensely.

It's a shame so many are being bamboozled by the entire scam.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 23, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent gets paid by his employer. So does Charles Krauthammer.


Do not waste you time debating with some Moron that equates that, with a Massive News Conglomerate giving a billion dollars to one Political Party's campaign coffers.


Posted by: Liam-still | August 23, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

You can't compare NewsCorp to GE. All of NewsCorp's significant ownings are communications companies. By contrast, for GE, communications is a minor sideline.

For instance, GE Healthcare--which I assume few of you have even heard of--is a unit that makes stuff like MRI machines, and at $17 billion it's actually slightly larger than NBCUniversal. That's a single, non-famous unit of GE, and its success is just as important to the company as NBC.

The vast majority of GE's business is outside of news and entertainment. They have legitimate interests there. NewsCorp, on the other hand, is News Corp. You cut out the news and entertainment, you don't actually have a company any more.

Posted by: theorajones1 | August 23, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

BTW, regard right wing bloggers, some may be getting paid, for some reason, but for the most part the machinery of the GOP and the RNC treats the blogosphere like red-headed step children, and certainly doesn't hand out money to them.

Not saying that the RNC doesn't ever buy off people, I'm just saying there's nothing like 50% of bloggers getting bought off, irrespective of what Tucker Carlson thinks. 5% would probably be a closer number.

Why buy the cow--or even rent it--when you can get all the milk for free and, besides, you feel like royalty and expect to get the damned milk for free and you want it effing now? And besides which, money should be spent on canvassing and tv and radio buys. Four-eyed nerds blogging on the interwebs? And what if the tubes get clogged? Spend money on that? Are you effing kidding me?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This ad strikes me as way too subtle to be in any way effective. Probably strays into philanthropic advertising territory in fact, leaving the typical Fox viewer with warm fuzzies about ~FOX~. IMHO, whatever they're planning on spending on it, they'd be better off taking the money and blowing it at the track.

It's fine when you're preaching to the choir to expect people to connect some dots themselves. We may have our differences on how best to achieve some of our goals but we're all reading from the same bible. Some things are understood.

If you're trying to preach to the ~other~ guys choir though, you have to remember the IOKIYAR rule. If you want Fox viewers to understand that it's wrong for a "news" organizations and/or broadcast networks to contribute huge sums of money to political parties, you're likely going to have to come right out and tell them it's wrong, then tell them why it's wrong, then repeat it about a thousand times to have any reasonable hope of planting even a seed of doubt that it's a ~good~ thing.

Posted by: CalD | August 23, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "Can anyone here imagine if the Democratic Party owned a major media network"

It's been suggested numerous times that this is proof that Fox is a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP, but, logically, it seems that what we're looking at is the reverse. Rather than Fox being wholly owned by the GOP, Fox news just bought itself a whole bunch of Republican governors. So it's a portion of the GOP that's actually owned by NewsCorp.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

"On the left, many of the once independent bloggers are now employed by, or receive money from, liberal organizations like Media Matters, the Center for American Progress and Campaign for America’s Future."

Especially the bloggers who blog at Media Matters and Think Progress', Center for American Progress' blog!

I'm smarter than your average bear.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 23, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Kevin - Yeah, I have a tough time believing that half of the rightwing bloggosphere is bought and paid for. But this is coming from Republicans, not people like you and I.

And I wouldn't care at all if the RNC paid bloggers, as long as it was disclosed.

But the RNC, or the DNC, paying bloggers is not the problem. The problem is individual candidates paying bloggers for rave reviews while the bloggers don't disclose those payments. If there is any truth to that, regardless of whether it is on the left or on the right, it should stop.

But we should consider the source. Tucker Carlson is NOT someone I'm inclined to believe without corroboration.

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Good post Kevin. You SHOULD actively dislike them. The way they treat fellow Americans, and in this case fellow Christians, is downright shameful.

If you really care about this issue -- and it sounds like you do -- why not write a letter to Marsha Blackburn and your two Senators and tell them what you just wrote to us right here?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

@liam, It wasn't quite a billion.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

@daveredhat: "Greg, in the name of full disclosure, do you admit to being paid to promote leftist ideology?"

This is the stupid course of argument we can possibly take. If Greg wasn't getting paid by the WaPo, you think he'd change all of his opinions. If NRO offered him a gig attacking liberals and defending conservatism, do you think he'd jump on it?

It's very difficult for the relatively tiny sums anybody in politics is spending on bloggers (effing retards on the left; indentured servants on the right) to make a difference in coverage that is already going to be highly slanted towards their partisan preferences. Of all the places money might make a difference in politics, bloggers ain't it. Even if the money has an effect on blog coverage, it has precious little effect on blog readers.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Headline News!!!

Foreign Corporations control American media outlets and spew biased propaganda!!

Read all about it!!

Posted by: thebobbob | August 23, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

So, those Two Coptic Christians flew nine hundred miles, to protest the establishment of a Muslim center in New York City!

When they got there; instead of being welcomed by fellow bigots, they were treated as suspect bigotees. Poetic Justice indeed! They were judged by the color of their skins, and the appearance of their attire, rather than by the content of their hate filled traveling hearts.

Perhaps, the protesting bigots, who turned on those two fellow bigots, should be asking now: why were two people who do not look like us, allowed to get on a plane, and fly into New York?!

Posted by: Liam-still | August 23, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

kevin: "I didn't think I could be less sympathetic towards the notamosque protestors, Sue, that I already was. But you (and Ethan) have proved to me that I actually can be so unsympathetic I'm actually starting to actively dislike them."

The thing is, we DO have enemies. And SOME of them are militant Muslims. And we do need to be on guard about enemies, but the minute you profile everyone in a stereotypical fashion based on looks, we are in a danger zone.

Meanwhile, long-term Muslim residents in Murfreesboro are feeling threatened by the vitriol.

"The members of the Murfreesboro mosque, who say they have always rejected extremism, have been bewildered by the vitriol.

Saleh M. Sbenaty, an engineering professor who came to the United States from Syria for his doctoral studies three decades ago, gets misty-eyed describing the kindness his neighbors showed his family after Sept. 11. At one point, he recalled, he was in a shopping mall parking lot with his wife, who wears a hijab, and a group of locals made a point to stop and assure them they had nothing to fear.

The other day, however, as he was standing on the mosque’s 15-acre parcel of land just outside town, drivers honked and flipped their middle fingers in the air as they rode past.

“It’s tough to see that change,” Sbenaty said.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/22/AR2010082202895.html?hpid=topnews

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib: "The problem is individual candidates paying bloggers for rave reviews while the bloggers don't disclose those payments."

Agreed. That shouldn't happen, and those folks should get called out.

I'm just saying, that's not 50% of bloggers, right or left. Especially those that makes some actual money off ad revenue, as getting called out on that could kill 'em. But it's definitely not the RNC, because (believe it or don't), they have a very, very low opinion of new media.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin,
WaPo DID hire a blogger who claimed to be conservative, but it turns out he was just as liberal as Greg and Ezra. And, for the record, I don't think Greg has ever admitted that his views are leftist. It's not mentioned on his bio. He probably thinks his views are middle of the road independent. But we all know the truth, don't we.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Kevin - Actually in primaries I'd say bloggers can be useful.

One of the commentators on the Daily Caller mentioned Eric Ericson in this regard.

"Erick Erickson comes immediately to mind. He was recently busted by the Atlanta Journal Constitution for publishing false statements regarding a candidate…Erickson, of course, backed the other candidate. When confronted he merely spun it as if he was misunderstood. He has done this several times before…eventually you can only lie so much before it catches up to you… "

I don't know much about Mr. Ericson, and know nothing about this incident, but Pam Geller should have shown us that one blogger, if sufficiently motivated, can push a story into the mainstream news - especially if that blogger is on the right and has the rest of the Wurlitzer to help amplify the message.

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

I don't know if this link was posted here before, I just saw it today.

It's a very revealing look at how much the TP movement owes to the Koch brothers and the extent to which it promotes their financial interests.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 23, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan:

"If you really care about this issue -- and it sounds like you do -- why not write a letter to Marsha Blackburn and your two Senators and tell them what you just wrote to us right here?"

Fair enough. Done.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan:

"If you really care about this issue -- and it sounds like you do -- why not write a letter to Marsha Blackburn and your two Senators and tell them what you just wrote to us right here?"

Fair enough. Done.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat: "WaPo DID hire a blogger who claimed to be conservative, but it turns out he was just as liberal as Greg and Ezra."

If you ever read Dave Weigel, you would know he is NOT a liberal. We supported Ron Paul in the GOP primaries.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"it's a portion of the GOP that's actually owned by NewsCorp."

That is true.

It is actually BOTH.

Fox News works hand-in-hand with the Republican Party to write GOP-friendly/Dem-unfriendly stories...

...the GOP turns around and uses that biased coverage to flip-out the conservative base and raise money.

It is a giant scam, and WE -- the American people -- are being taken.

I literally cannot wrap my head around the fact that anyone who can string together a coherent sentence would vote for the Republican Party, given the facts of how they operate.

Kevin, you should sign up for those conservative email lists I've been talking about recently... If these Cordoba incidents turn you from their cause, you really should read the lies they say about Obama and the Democratic Party. One would think you'd never vote GOP again.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"We supported Ron Paul in the GOP primaries."

Typo...make that WEIGEL supported Ron Paul in the 2008 Presidential Primaries. He is also a big fan of Gary Johnson from NM, another libertarian.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Ethan, you're ignoring the fact that democrats themselves are divided on the Cordoba House issue.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Fair enough. Done."

Awesome. Well done. :)

I love it when actions match words.

Because we all know which of the two speaks LOUDEST.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"This will probably help Fox News. After all conservatives outnumber liberals in this country by a 2 to 1 margin."

This post actually says more about the problem than Fox giving the Republican Party a million bucks. Of course they give away far more than a million bucks every week in promotion for the R's.

The sad thing is that according to this poster conservatives don't really care about the truth or bias in the media. In fact many of them love it. I enjoy K.O. and Ed Schulz but I NEVER confuse them with Brian Williams or Katie Couric or anybody who still attempts to be an actual journalist. On the right however they get to hear what they want to hear and that's fine by them, regardless of the many distortions, lies, and deceptions that have been exposed. Fox has no credibility in terms of journalism but as Dave points out (and I don't disagree with him) the conservatives simply don't care. They have bought into the false meme that the MSM has a liberal bias and so it's fine for Fox to lie...they look at it as simply evening up the score. Of course most of them wouldn't know bias..or journalistic integrity if it bit them in the arse...but hey if Fox makes 2% of the nation happy and stupid...we simply need to work on the other 98% IMHO John Stewart and Steven Colbert are doing an excellent job of that!

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@nsleib: "I don't know much about Mr. Ericson, and know nothing about this incident, but Pam Geller should have shown us that one blogger, if sufficiently motivated, can push a story into the mainstream news - especially if that blogger is on the right and has the rest of the Wurlitzer to help amplify the message."

True enough. With caveats, I'd like to walk back my previous statement. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Jack Shafer defends News Corp donation in Slate:

(Beware, Bernie...he uses the dreaded phrase "Democrats and their fellow travellers", although he also refers to Murdoch as a "genocidal tyrant", so whether Shafer is a propagandist stuck in a time-warp or a truth-teller extraordinaire is probably a tough call for you.)

"For Murdoch or any other CEO, campaign donations aren't donations—they're investments. Competing as he does in the highly regulated industry of broadcasting, Murdoch cannot function without government licenses. He cannot expand his broadcast holdings without securing new licenses. Because his very livelihood depends on the whims of politicians and regulators, he'd be insane not to be funneling all the legal cash he can to the most powerful and influential politicians. I hate to write this, but it's true. Murdoch is a victim of government power. If Washington didn't flex so much regulatory power, he wouldn't feel compelled to pay them such steep tribute."

http://www.slate.com/id/2264403

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@daveredht: Dave Weigel claimed to be libertarian, not conservative. More the the point, he covered conservatives and Republicans while apparently despising them, so, maybe not the best person for that position. But, folks understood he was getting paid by the WaPo. Not sure that's apples to apples.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 - Uhh, how can you stand Olberman and Schultz? Maddow and Matthews are tolerable, but the other two are, well, outrage mongers.

Each to their own I suppose.

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

What amazes me more is that CNN is actively promoting Geller and Ericson into being mainstream commentators.

Another thing Ericson is famous for on his blog was advocating people ignore the census. He said that he would not answer the census, and if a census worker came to his house, he would answer the door with a shotgun.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@rukidding: "I enjoy K.O. and Ed Schulz but I NEVER confuse them with Brian Williams or Katie Couric or anybody who still attempts to be an actual journalist."

Can't speak for everybody, but I certainly judge Major Garret or Chris Wallace as being different than Glen Beck or Bill O'Reilly.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

I don't know if this link was posted here before, I just saw it today.

It's a very revealing look at how much the TP movement owes to the Koch brothers and the extent to which it promotes their financial interests.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | August 23, 2010 3:14 PM

...................

I came across that report earlier today. Two Oil Billionaries are behind the so called populist movement.

Turns out Teabaggers are actually just a bunch of stupid Koch Suckers!

Posted by: Liam-still | August 23, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@rukidding, people listen to sources they trust. Fox News' ratings speak for themselves. Can you cite any sources for the numbers you're throwing around?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Kevin - And Shep Smith is pretty good.

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"CNN contributor and prominent Republican blogger Erick Erickson is threatening to pull out a "shotgun" to scare away census workers.


Erickson — the founder of the conservative blog RedState — said on his Macon, Ga.-area radio show Thursday that if a census worker carrying a longer American Community Survey form came by his house, he would "pull out my wife's shotgun and see how that little ACS twerp likes being scared at the door."


"They're not going on my property. They can't do that. They don't have the legal right, and yet they're trying," Erickson said, in a recording by the liberal media watchdog Media Matters. "The servants are becoming the masters. We are working for the government. We are becoming enslaved by the government."


On his blog, RedState, Erickson wrote Friday that he was being "misconstrued."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0410/35338.html#ixzz0xSaZ2K4M

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 23, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "I literally cannot wrap my head around the fact that anyone who can string together a coherent sentence would vote for the Republican Party, given the facts of how they operate."

Well, obviously, lots of us do. At least half the country, some years.

"Kevin, you should sign up for those conservative email lists I've been talking about recently..."

Be happy too. Point me to which ones you are thinking of specifically, and I'll do it.

That being said, I've been on several right wing email lists before, and I grew tired of them. A lot of the material was kind of tedious.

"If these Cordoba incidents turn you from their cause, you really should read the lies they say about Obama and the Democratic Party. One would think you'd never vote GOP again."

If I'm not voting for the GOP, I'd probably end up voting for conservadems. Be careful what you wish for.

Which is what's going to happen (potentially) if small 'c' conservatives end up feeling left by the GOP. I may have mentioned, I voted for Harold Ford, Jr (D). once. His biggest recommendation to me? AlterNet attacked him as being too conservative. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan OT brother but I thought of you Friday night. My 94 year old mother-in-law is in a Jewish nursing home, Menorah Manor. Every Friday evening they have Shabbat dinner. This past Friday I accompanied my wife and joined her mom for dinner.

How cool! I even got to wear a yarmulke or kippah. One cannot go through a service like that...the Rabbi btw was literally 100 years old..without being touched.

It occurred to me Ethan how old your faith is. I was raised as a Catholic..plenty of dogma and tradition there...but as I sat through the brief ceremony and singing I realized just how OLD the Jewish faith is...of course predating Christianity and Islam. Don't know for sure Ethan..is Judaism the oldest monotheistic religion?

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The FCC has defined FoxNews as an entertainment channel, not a news organization. As an entertainment channel, FoxNews has the equivalent status as the Disney Channel. So, why isn't the Disney Channel represented in the White House briefings? If FoxNews can be there, so can Alice in Wonderland!

Posted by: EyeballKid | August 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"Turns out Teabaggers are actually just a bunch of stupid Koch Suckers!"

Ding ding ding! WINNAH!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

@rukidding: The monotheism of Pharaoh Akhenaten predates Judiasm, although it didn't last. After Akhenaten died, much evidence of his montheism was erased and replaced with more traditional egyptian polytheism. From WikiAnswers: "The Zoroastrian prophet, Zarathushtra (or Zoroaster) appears to have lived among the proto-Indo-Iranian people of southern Russia, somewhere around 1700 BCE".

But after having listened to The Teaching Company's History of Egypt (something I heartily recommend) several times, I prefer to give the credit to Akhenaten.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

@Eyeballkid: "The FCC has defined FoxNews as an entertainment channel"

I wasn't aware that the FCC made those kinds of decisions. Link? What do they define CNN as? A little quick googling gives me no indication that the FCC is in the business of so classifying tv stations, so I'd be curious. Not saying it's not so, just want more info.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib: re: Shep Smith.

Some conservatives don't like Shep Smith because they felt/feel he injected his anti-Bush feelings (that they divined that he secretly had) into too much of his Bush era reporting.

I also like Shep Smith. In fact--and I'm not saying he shouldn't have a show, or that he doesn't occasionally make some interesting points, and that he hasn't been right occasionally--the really step-to-far show on Fox, for me, is Glenn Beck. Why not a Michael Savage show, then, what the hey? Or Adam Curry. I'd be much more prone to watch Adam Curry take me through the chalkboards of how everything is a conspiracy than Glenn Beck.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib....

"Uhh, how can you stand Olberman and Schultz? Maddow and Matthews are tolerable, but the other two are, well, outrage mongers.

Each to their own I suppose."

Yes nisleib but I take your point. I admire Rachel Maddow more than any other pundit in all of TVLand. Because of my own background in broadcast journalism I truly respect her sincere and earnest effort to put in the due diligence and research to back up what she says and she is a terrific interviewer who does her best to be "fair and balanced" even if she obviously disagrees with her guest.

As fate would have it you like Matthews...who I despise..if I had a nickel for everytime I found myself screaming at the TV shutup Matthews and let the guest or panelist speak for heaven's sake.+
I readily concede Schultz can be blustery but I agree with most of his opinions. K.O. I watch simply for entertainment. I do sometimes get squeamish at his "Worst Person" selections...it's one thing to poke fun at celebrities and politicians but I get nervous when he puts up John Q. Public. Most times those folks have suffered enough without adding to their embarrassment and misery.

Still I arrived late for the last thread about why the left is upset with Obama and if I had arrived in time I might have displeased you there. :-) Actually I'm not disappointed with Obama so much as the direction of the nation...of course with one party simply the party of NO it's hard to actually legislate and so until the R's line up some people who are actually willing to engage in the governance of this country it's hard to blame O for much of anything.

BTW Nisleib...I agree Shep Smith is a voice of sanity on Faux.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Kevin - I must admit I cheered when Shep Smith pounded the table and declared angrily, "I don't give a rat's @ss if it helps. We are AMERICA! We do not f'ing torture!!"

And Beck is not well in the head. I don't understand how people can stand him. People like him though, and his ratings are good, so of course Fox will hire him. I don't blame Fox for hiring him, I blame people for falling for Beck's insanity.

Posted by: nisleib | August 23, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh my. the angst expressed here is just amazing.

When will liberals learn not to automatically insult those who disagree? The comment here amount to a simple put down of those who don't accept the liberal agenda.

I though liberals were all about tolerance. I guess not. Another perfect example is the reaction to the concerns about the mosque. Instead of seeking to understand the mindset of those who opposed the mosque the liberals here, led by Mr Sargent I'm sad to say, went immediately to the Alinsky Ridicule Response.

It is therefore fair to conclude that liberals demand tolerance from everyone but themselves.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | August 23, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

rukidding, The "party of no" meme is kind of working against you. When sixty percent of the population believe the country is on the wrong track, The "party of no" might be just what they want.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It's been suggested numerous times that this is proof that Fox is a wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP, but, logically, it seems that what we're looking at is the reverse. Rather than Fox being wholly owned by the GOP, Fox news just bought itself a whole bunch of Republican governors. So it's a portion of the GOP that's actually owned by NewsCorp.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis |
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Actually the RGA supports Republican candidates running for office whether they are governors or not. If you have forgotten that many of the donors are asking to have its money placed with RGA instead of RNC due to Michael Steele's penchant for distracting comments that moves away from its message discipline which FOX New is part of despite its professed "Fair and Balanced" slogans.

Remember both sides employ various channels in order to meximize the donation dollars for the express purpose of garnering votes and scam people for money.

RGA RNC, NRSC, AAN, American Crossroad, Americans for Job Security, American for Prosperity, MN Forward, Republican State Leadership Cmte and US Chamber of Commerce - these are various groups that supports Republicans and conservative candidates for offices

It is the same for the Democrats:
DNC, DSCC, Alliance for Better MN, AFSCME, Move-On.org, American United for Change, and SEIU - these are various groups that supports Democratic candidates.

As in the above list: there are probably more that I don't know that works in tandem with other organizations but are not listed.

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It is actually BOTH.

Fox News works hand-in-hand with the Republican Party to write GOP-friendly/Dem-unfriendly stories...

...the GOP turns around and uses that biased coverage to flip-out the conservative base and raise money.

It is a giant scam, and WE -- the American people -- are being taken.

by: Ethan2010
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That's intent and you wonder why people blame the media when it comes to coverage.

To put it in perspective: there's a NonSequitur By Wiley cartoon about the Obviousman and the Temple of Gloom piece about a round table on improving the image of politics which Obviousman states the best way to hold campaign ads to the same standard of truth and accountability that governs everything else advertised in the mass media. The candidates have to practice ethic of personal responsibility that they preach so they can gain public trust which isn't hard to do. It ends with Blame the media.

Posted by: beeker25 | August 23, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

America the ever changing sea of humanity could for very little in the way of money or studies, correct and re-balance itself. 1. Institute Term Limits. Let a Senator or Congressman or Women hang around two years, just like the President. Taxpayers should fund elections, by paying five dollars on their income tax, divide it up and have at it.And finally and likely least possible in act a Single Payer system to health care. It works all over the world, sure there are some problems but nothing like you experience in the USA, Do these three simple things and the ship will return to an even keel, whether Fox News, or GE likes it or not

Lary Waldman
an interested Canadian.

Lary Waldman

Posted by: lwaldmann | August 23, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

YAWN!!!!! What a stupid story...just the left proping up the left while it still has a few thousand subscribers. SHORT NYT and WPO stock.

Posted by: espnfan | August 23, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

YAWN!!!!! What a stupid story...just the left proping up the left while it still has a few thousand subscribers. SHORT NYT and WPO stock.

Posted by: espnfan | August 23, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"""It occurred to me Ethan how old your faith is. I was raised as a Catholic..plenty of dogma and tradition there...but as I sat through the brief ceremony and singing I realized just how OLD the Jewish faith is...of course predating Christianity and Islam. Don't know for sure Ethan..is Judaism the oldest monotheistic religion?"""

Great story RUK, that sounds like fun.

I believe it is the oldest "proper" monotheistic religion.

I think Akhenaten was the first to promote monotheism with his worship of the Sun God in ancient Egypt. But that didn't go over so well and after he died, his religion was essentially wiped out.

In ancient Palestine there were a bunch of city-states that each had different religious beliefs. These became the 12 tribes of Israel which were first united under King David. David's son Solomon built the first Temple in Jerusalem.

Some good reading via wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israelites#The_origins_of_the_Israelites

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_Judaism#Modern_biblical_scholarship_and_archaeology_view

Speaking of Solomon, in one of my trips to Israel we visited Solomon's Mines in the south near the Red Sea. They used to mine copper there about 3,000 years ago. A similar mine was radio-carbon dated to 1000 BC a couple of years ago (link below). I brought home a little piece of the smelting material that still had a chunk of wood ash embedded in the rock. Pretty wild stuff.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn15049-biblical-solomons-mines-confirmed-by-dating.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Where was that conservative 2:1 advantage in 2008? Don't they vote?

Posted by: tlnixon | August 23, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

You lost me at "Media Matters, which has raised the torturing of Fox News to a high art, has come up with a new one". Media matters is a joke, and just another group bankrolled by George Soros. You know, the billionaire George Soros? Who helped bankroll this presidency. Yeah, that guy. Since the administration got thumped when they attempted (pathetically) to declare war on Fox, now they just rely on their allies in the press to do it. Quite transparent and lame.

Posted by: blushark1 | August 23, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The Country Is On The Wrong Track, because it was put on the wrong track during the Bush/Cheney eight year reign of terror.

So far all we have been able to do, is slow down the train, it will take some time to bring it under control, and switch it back on to the correct track.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 23, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

for daveredhat

The ratings you quote for FNC prove the opposite of what you state. FNC viewers do NOT change channels because other networks don't push the agenda like FNC. Most viewers visit multiple networks in this day and age in order to get a "Fair & Balanced" view. Faux viewers elect to get a singular view matching their needs.

Posted by: tlnixon | August 23, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

@tlnixon, the stats are current. In 08, more people self-described as moderate. It seems Obama and the democrat controlled congress have driven moderates (and some liberals) to a more conservative point of view.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "I think Akhenaten was the first to promote monotheism with his worship of the Sun God in ancient Egypt. But that didn't go over so well and after he died, his religion was essentially wiped out."

A fellow Akhenaten fan, mayhap? ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@Eyeballkid: "The FCC has defined FoxNews as an entertainment channel"

I wasn't aware that the FCC made those kinds of decisions. Link? What do they define CNN as? A little quick googling gives me no indication that the FCC is in the business of so classifying tv stations, so I'd be curious. Not saying it's not so, just want more info.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis
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The FCC charged with regulating interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite and cable. The FCC's jurisdiction covers the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and U.S. possessions.
They also require many of the media to have license in order to operate. The purpose of classifying stations comes from the petitioners who apply for or transfer the license to operate a station channel. For example Fox News Channel(FNC) is owned by Fox Entertainment Group which is the subsidiary of News Corporation and Ailes is a Republican strategist prior to being CEO.

Posted by: beeker25 | August 23, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@liam, the poll respondents feel the country is CURRENTLY on the wrong track. Obama is CURRENTLY the president.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"blushark1"

Yes, it's all one giant conspiracy against YOU.

I'd advise watching Fox News 24/7 and buying in to all their scams I mean ads (goldline, lifelock, whatever they've got).

Either that or do the world a favor and get a frontal lobotomy.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@beeker25: "The purpose of classifying stations comes from the petitioners who apply for or transfer the license to operate a station channel. For example Fox News Channel(FNC) is owned by Fox Entertainment Group"

. . . so that's how it gets classified as entertainment? How do you find out what is classified as what by the FCC? Still googling, still not finding anything. Nothing useful on "FCC Classifications" in regards to the FCC and "entertainment" vs. "news".

Again, just trying to find out about it.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse


Remember when the DNC cancelled a 2007 presidential debate in Nevada that was supposed to be televised on Fox News Channel?

Maybe you forgot that but Rupert Murdoch has not.

Obama and the Democrats have been taking potshots at Fox before, during and after the 2008 election. Why should Murdoch be writing checks to the DNC or Democrat candidates?


Posted by: screwjob21 | August 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"A fellow Akhenaten fan, mayhap? ;)"

Big Akhenaten fan! :)

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The FCC does not classify stations.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 23, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

You lost me at "Media Matters, which has raised the torturing of Fox News to a high art, has come up with a new one". Media matters is a joke, and just another group bankrolled by George Soros. You know, the billionaire George Soros? Who helped bankroll this presidency. Yeah, that guy. Since the administration got thumped when they attempted (pathetically) to declare war on Fox, now they just rely on their allies in the press to do it. Quite transparent and lame.

Posted by: blushark1
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Do you have proof that Soro bankroll Media Matters? From what I see there's no mention of Soro ever but other wealthy individuals tied with the Democratic Party as well as other non profit organizations such as Move On. I can vouch for the fact many of the wealthy conservatives do fund organizations for the express purpose of promoting conservative views. How does Richard Scaife sounds?

Quite few conservatives like David Frum and Bruce Bartlett were hounded out for disagreeing with the conservatives because they have no ideas except for idealogy.

You ignored the fact that Obama had fund raising from citizens who chose to donate in addition to getting bundled donations. Aside from the fact that other candidates do the same thing as well.

Posted by: beeker25 | August 23, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Country Is On The Wrong Track, because it was put on the wrong track during the Bush/Cheney eight year reign of terror.
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The only ppl Bush/Cheney terrorized were long-bearded muslim hippies in caves and their sympathizers in liberal wonderland at home. Btw, more ppl believe that we're "on the wrong track" than under Bush/Cheney. Enjoy the utopia.

Posted by: NoWeCant | August 23, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

@beeker25: "The purpose of classifying stations comes from the petitioners who apply for or transfer the license to operate a station channel. For example Fox News Channel(FNC) is owned by Fox Entertainment Group"

. . . so that's how it gets classified as entertainment? How do you find out what is classified as what by the FCC? Still googling, still not finding anything. Nothing useful on "FCC Classifications" in regards to the FCC and "entertainment" vs. "news".

Again, just trying to find out about it.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis
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The news media is the same acronym for entertainment because they report on events whatever they are to the general public for their consumption. The FCC is not in the business of defining what broadcaster do except by what the petitioner apply for its license..

Believe me you won't find it anywhere on the FCC website because it takes someone in the media business to know what you are asking for.

Posted by: beeker25 | August 23, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "'A fellow Akhenaten fan, mayhap? ;)'
-- Big Akhenaten fan! :)"

Hah! Easier for us than his followers, no doubt, given both the near-heresy of his monotheism at the time, and his attempt and uprooting Egyptian civilization so they could better worship the Aten.

Makes me want to listen to TTCs History of Egypt all over again.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

@Dave...

"@rukidding, people listen to sources they trust. Fox News' ratings speak for themselves. Can you cite any sources for the numbers you're throwing around?"

What point are you trying to make...that trust or ratings has ANYTHING to do with journalistic integrity. Fox is to journalism what Jim Jones or David Koresh are to religion. People certainly trusted those two and how did that work out. Trust by the masses is irrevelant when it comes to things like integrity or honesty.

As for my numbers they come from Neilsen.
Fox averages 1.92 million viewers in an evening. We have 310 million citizens. If you do the math you'll see that means fox reaches less than 1%. Knowing something about ratings and realizing averages are not the same as cumulative numbers I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

You really have nothing to crow about Dave. The Daily Show reaches 2,000,000 viewers..slightly more than Fox primetime...although if you wish to call it a dead heat I won't quibble. Of course the Daily show represents the future while Fox ratings skew horribly to the geritol set. In addition Fox is actually losing viewers while the Daily Show (I suspect Colbert is also doing well but I'm too lazy to document) is growing.

"Though Fox News remains #1, it is showing some signs of wear and tear: the network was down 19% in primetime total viewers and 13% in the prime demo compared to last April; it was down 17% in total day total viewers and 16% in the total day demo as well. Of course, Fox News is not the only network that's down — CNN is down 40% in primetime and 35% in total day in both total viewers and the demo, and MSNBC is down 6% in total viewers in both primetime and total day — but it is a sign that Fox News' once unstoppable ratings growth has tapered off."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/28/cable-news-ratings-april_n_554295.html

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hah hah hah...what a great name...

NoWeCant Which is exactly why nobody pays attention to you...who wants to listen to a loser who can't and who suggests that the rest of us can't either.

You can't...I CAN!!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Fox is available on Basic Cable but MSNBC is not. Until this changes, choice will be limited and Fox will have more viewers.

Posted by: christinecovelli | August 23, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Makes me want to listen to TTCs History of Egypt all over again."

I hear ya. My DVR is chock-full of Egypt stuff. If it wasn't cool enough that we have all this ancient history... THEY KEEP FINDING THINGS!

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I love it when this topic comes up. The wingnut's sole source of information is proven to be corrupt and their only response is "Soros made Fox do it!" or something equally idiotic.

Nary a concern that they are being force fed garbage and hoodwinked on a daily basis.

Posted by: Deirdre_K | August 23, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@christine...excellent point about basic cable versus upper tier or pay channels.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: "I hear ya. My DVR is chock-full of Egypt stuff. If it wasn't cool enough that we have all this ancient history... THEY KEEP FINDING THINGS!"

Bless the desert. Many ancient civilizations had a richness and depth that we can only scrape the surface of, because time--and moisture--destroyed almost all remnants. But in the desert, things crafted 5000 years ago are still recognizable. Once found.

If you've never listened to The History of Ancient Egypt by Bob Brier, I heartily recommend it. It's meant for the layperson, so he'll cover a lot of stuff you already know, but he does it very well. I also enjoyed Great Pharaohs of Ancient Egypt. His Rome stuff I haven't listened to, and I want to check out his History of Ancient Mesopotamia someday soon.

During Social Studies homework last year, I think my daughter was looking forward to getting past ancient Egypt, as I kept going off on tangents that really didn't have much to do with the summary history the book was providing. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@christine: "Fox is available on Basic Cable but MSNBC is not"

This can't be universally true. MSNBC is in the basic teir on Comast in Memphis. This may be a holdover from when it was Time-Warner, but I don't think so.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks again, Media Matters, for all your good work. This ad is a stroke of genius. Faux News is nothing more than a slick, disgraceful - and very profitable - propaganda mill.

Posted by: Johnbo | August 23, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Listen to NPR, your OWN Post reporter explained ALL the news media outlets have owners who support candidates of their choice.

Posted by: genefitzhugh | August 23, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Johnbo wrote:
Faux News is nothing more than a ...very profitable - propaganda mill.
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As opposed to ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/MSNBC/HLN which are loss-making propaganda mills.

Posted by: NoWeCant | August 23, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7
You can't...I CAN!!!!
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And so screeched the rat before the pied piper led him off the cliff with a hope that he will grow wings in mid flight. It's called hope-n-change, Chicago style.

Posted by: NoWeCant | August 23, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

@screwjob21 : Why does GE (msnbc) give to both parties? Because they can and they don't really care who gets voted in. When dems are strong, dems get 2/3 of the money. When repubs are strong, repubs get more than 2/3 of the money. Most corporations want to curry favor with both parties so they give to both sides. Fox news OTOH is dedicated solely to supporting and electing republicans and hence only gives to republicans...

Posted by: srw3 | August 23, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I am waiting for the list of outrage to include the Unions and all the Democratic donors, like Soros and the other action groups that they use to raise funds, but for some reason they have not spoken out about them.
The truth is more important than the facts." - Frank Lloyd Wright
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” — Ronald Reagan
“All is in the hands of Heaven except the fear of Heaven” (Talmud, Berachot 33b).

Posted by: joshuasweet | August 23, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

@suekzoo: "The thing is, we DO have enemies. And SOME of them are militant Muslims. And we do need to be on guard about enemies, but the minute you profile everyone in a stereotypical fashion based on looks, we are in a danger zone."

Although, profiling is supposed to be looking at certain characteristics and making rational decisions regarding where to investigate further (as opposed to the airport kabuki we do now, for example). What's going on now about "Hey, he looks Muslim!" about guys in your same anti-Mosque protest! To to mention the whole conflating Islam with Al Qaeda--it's fighting the wrong battle on all sorts of fronts. Muslims aren't the problem, terrorists are. I could go on but . . . sufficed to say, yes, we do have a real enemy (and, indeed, most of the modern world has a real enemy, Dubai as much as America) in radical Islamic terrorism, and protesting a Muslim Community Center is just the wrong direction.

"The other day, however, as he was standing on the mosque’s 15-acre parcel of land just outside town, drivers honked and flipped their middle fingers in the air as they rode past.
'It’s tough to see that change,' Sbenaty said."

It's strange and disturbing. An ominous sign, if you will. Hopefully, it will pass, or these folks can be talked away from the ledge.

Leading pundits who tacitly support this kind of stuff (looking at you, Krauthammer) really ought to think twice. And I say that as, generally, a big fan of Krauthammer. Even if there are good reasons to protest the community center (an idea I find dubious), there are also very good reason to support it.

And I'm not a dupe. I fully understand the concept of Wester dhimmitude, and do believe it should be resisted. But this (and other places like it) or not the place to have the fight.

If a judge decides that Sharia law starts trumping US law in domestic violence cases, then it is time to have the fight (happened in Germany, they had that fight, judge got the boot). But about houses of worship in a country where freedom of religion is enshrined in our founding documents?

Um, no. That's not a fight we should be having, because it shouldn't be a fight.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

"The White House Correspondents Association can demonstrate its commitment to preserving the media's role as independent agents of good governance by rescinding Fox News' front-row spot in the White House briefing room".
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There should be a subsitution here: "to preserving the media's role to promote the progressive agenda and silence any voice to the contrary".

Posted by: bethg1841 | August 23, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

@swr3: "Fox news OTOH is dedicated solely to supporting and electing republicans and hence only gives to republicans..."

NewsCorp gives to Democrats, or has in the past. It's given to Pelosi, Read, and equal amounts to both the GOP and Democratic campaign committees on Capitol Hill. Rupert Murdoch held a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton in 2006.

There's more out there. Not even NewsCorp is exclusively a Republican donor.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 23, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Kevin, yeah good stuff. I don't read a lot of history but I get my share from TLC, NGC, and Discovery, etc. Zahi Hawass is like my favorite person. I can't get enough of the way he says "pyramid." Love it. Not sure why, just do.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I think the ad will go over fine with the FOX viewing public. What's the big deal? A million is nothing compared to Obama's 13 trillion deficit plan.

Posted by: retsof | August 23, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Is there any more evidence that people need in order to come to the conclusion that these anti-Cordoba hate groups are expressing blind, spastic bigotry?

It couldn't be more obvious. These two incidents are proof positive. Case closed.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 2:10 PM
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Why is anyone surprised by this, or think it is limited to the right?

Do you think if I went to an animal rights rally with a shirt that said animal testing saved my daughter's life that I'd get a big hug?

Posted by: Bailers | August 23, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

You really have nothing to crow about Dave. The Daily Show reaches 2,000,000 viewers..slightly more than Fox primetime...although if you wish to call it a dead heat I won't quibble. Of course the Daily show represents the future while Fox ratings skew horribly to the geritol set. In addition Fox is actually losing viewers while the Daily Show (I suspect Colbert is also doing well but I'm too lazy to document) is growing.
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So the take-away is that Fox's brand of entertainment is worse than the Daily Show? I'm usually asleep by the time the show comes on, but the little bits I have seen are mostly news sprinkled in between snark and off-topic comparisons. If you are trying to say that Fox is helping the bring about the end of an empire, then what is the Daily Show, and it's growing cadre of young viewers (and voters) doing?

Posted by: Bailers | August 23, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Pathetic. Someone is paying Greg Sargent to put out this non-news?

So when are we going to see some investigative reporting on the media tentacles and financing of the Democratic Party by MoveOn.org...that wholly owned subsidiary of Georg Soros?

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | August 23, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for ridding the atmosphere of Fox. But I'm not thrilled by those who feel the same way but who won't go so far as to cancel their cable/sat hookups and loudly boycott Fox advertisers.

A well-planned withdrawal of support would be effective. Sittin' around and grousin' just doesn't do it. I get the feeling that Americans are disgusted and frightened, but not so disgusted and frightened that they'd Actually Give Up TV. That says a lot about our priorities doesn't it? Can't get around it.

Posted by: texassideoats | August 23, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Fox News is Atwater's wet dream.

Posted by: areyousaying | August 23, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think if I went to an animal rights rally with a shirt that said animal testing saved my daughter's life that I'd get a big hug?"

By your comment it's clear that you are pretty confused.

I'm not going to bother to explain these two recent Cordoba incidents over again, but suffice to say, your analogy is not appropriate given the circumstances of the two incidents in question.

Here's a hint: Do your homework. Read what actually happened. THEN comment.

Okay?

Because the comment you just made makes you look foolish. And nobody wants that. Not you and not me. I'm here to have a debate on the issues of the day based on FACTS.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 23, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"...the torturing of Fox News"

Are they employing tickle-torture? Fox continues to giggle their way through successive Nielsens.

Posted by: EPUnum | August 23, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

It's political season, so 100% cash up front.

Posted by: phvr38 | August 23, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow EPUnum..you mean Rupert is happy about losing 19% of his audience in just one year?

That's what the Neilsens show...fox losing almost a FIFTH of their audience...the only people giggling are those of us who are ready to see GOPTV watch their audience continue to shrink. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 23, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Just some information: D R
1 Comcast Corp $2,245,602 64% 36%
2 NationalCable&Telecomm.Assn $1,021,300 57% 43%
3 Time Warner Cable $496,893 56% 44%
4 Liberty Media $405,034 53% 47%
5 DISH Network $343,800 63% 37%
6 Cablevision Systems $281,650 79% 21%
7 EchoStarCommunications $129,350 98% 2%
8 Cox Enterprises$113,112 50% 50%
9 American Cable Assn $98,250 77% 23%
10 Charter Comm. $88,084 66% 33%
11 Alexcom Inc $74,000 100% 0%
12 National Amu. Inc $47,000 86% 14%
13 Cable America $35,000 0% 100%
14 Walt Disney Co $28,659 89% 11%
15 Suddenlink Comm. $27,550 65% 35%
16 News Corp $27,159 67% 31%
This are the contributions of the media to political parties, this is the link http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/contrib.php?cycle=2010&ind=C2200. The hypocrisy is amazing.

Posted by: viaexports | August 23, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

If history hasn't proven anything to the public it has proven one certain fact.The more you attack or bring attention to something, the more attention it gets.To those anti-Fox networks I for one will say thank you for making Fox so popular.Is it that Fox is more open to ALL the facts,the public should be aware of or the fact that the other networks are afraid of this sick administrations wraith.For those weak minded networks I say confront your fears head on. The only wraith you should fear is that of our Lord's wraith. He (our Lord) has something specially prepared for those who would wish to destroy our God fearing way of life.Why doesn't NBC OR CBS or ABC go after Obama's ties with extremist organizations. You know that Imam guy paid by we Americans to roam the world on behalf of this president.And what do you think this Muslim is doing, spreading good will? Poison is his agenda and assuring the Muslim extremist that they have their man in the White House.Maybe it's because your being paid by the Democratic party to bash anyone with the balls to tell it like it is.Get yor blinders off and grow a back bone. (dollar_bil2@yahoo.com)

Posted by: dollar_bil2 | August 23, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we all do what Obama said and just read the "Huffington Post"?
The media slays me.
The left has control of all of the TV news except FOX and they are still trying to destroy it.
Not to mention all the left wing newspapers and magazines.
This vendetta by Obama is really scary. He obviously will try to destroy any entity that dares to criticize him.
So much for free speech. The Progressives don't want it.

Posted by: joanz3 | August 23, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

What we would like to hear from Fox News is silence about the so-called 'liberal media', since their own house is not so clean of ideological bias. Is that too much to hope for?

Posted by: samsara15 | August 23, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Get a life leftists..

Posted by: wewintheylose | August 23, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

This so called Media Matters "caper" to "expose" some Fox News donations to the GOP to be aired during a Bill O'Reilly broadcast will backfire big time on them. Fox News viewers don't care for these underhanded tactics and Media Matters are exceedingly and precariously low on the popularity Totem Pole with them. Mean-spirited, left-wing loons are very expendable. Who needs them? They will be shunted into the dog house, hopefully never again to appear.

Posted by: Tommypie | August 23, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse


Fox is NOWHERE NEAR as 'conservative' as I would like it to be. Nowhere near at all.

Fox tolerates Islam. Islam must DIE.
Fox tolerates Obunker. Obunker must...leave office.

Terminating Islam is the only way to go. Attacking Saudi Arabia and BULLDOZING DOWN the so-called 'Holy Places' is the BEST STRATEGY that will END islam for ALL TIME.

I'm DONE being tolerant of a MURDER/SUICIDE CULT, which never was a true religion.

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Posted by: notinmt | August 23, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey - if the lemmings want to watch fox 24/7 - let them. Just don't come crying to the rest of us when you finally catch on that they're being played for dupes and spoonfed propaganda. The rest of us figured it out long ago - it's just the other morons that still believe in "fair and balanced" - without the benefit of vaseline. YOu know, the same ones complaining about their horrible economic conditions - when they're willingly enabling the decline by buying the bull crap and voting republican. Fox preys on intellectual laziness and fear mongering. Preying on the lowest common denominator. It's pathetic.

Posted by: JilliB | August 23, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

What garbage! I bet Fox laughs all the way to the ratings. I cannot tell you how wonderful it was when finally there came along a news outlet that you could depend on for the truth. I was so sick of the one sided news media with an obvious agenda. I watch it faithfully daily to keep up and read two newspapers. When in the car I listen to Rush, Hannity, and Mark Davis. I am on top of the news and Fox does a great job of keeping their viewers informed. They are balanced. I am also fed up with this hatred and the phony attacks. The jealousy of a news outlet is insanity. The other outlets were not covering the news. They are always late with the stories or they are not covered at all. And one cannot accuse me of not knowing the business since my husband was a lead player for over 49 years.
Maybe liberals do not like for us to be informed. They want little ignorant drones to follow like zombies. Educated and informed citizens cannot be so easily fooled.
Let Fox make the money off these clowns. We are savvy enough to get the picture of this hatred. They will be fooling no one.

Posted by: greatgran1 | August 23, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

What garbage! I bet Fox laughs all the way to the ratings. I cannot tell you how wonderful it was when finally there came along a news outlet that you could depend on for the truth. I was so sick of the one sided news media with an obvious agenda. I watch it faithfully daily to keep up and read two newspapers. When in the car I listen to Rush, Hannity, and Mark Davis. I am on top of the news and Fox does a great job of keeping their viewers informed. They are balanced. I am also fed up with this hatred and the phony attacks. The jealousy of a news outlet is insanity. The other outlets were not covering the news. They are always late with the stories or they are not covered at all. And one cannot accuse me of not knowing the business since my husband was a lead player for over 49 years.
Maybe liberals do not like for us to be informed. They want little ignorant drones to follow like zombies. Educated and informed citizens cannot be so easily fooled.
Let Fox make the money off these clowns. We are savvy enough to get the picture of this hatred. They will be fooling no one.

Posted by: greatgran1 | August 23, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Its easy to check. 2007-2008 Newscorp contributed 380,000 to Obama, 33,000.00 to McCain. The author knows this which is why the report is deceptive and dishonest.

Posted by: dakar1 | August 23, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Media Matters just might have a liberal agenda as they receive funding from such notables as George Soros.

"Media Matters initially received "more than $2 million in donations from wealthy liberals" with ties to the Democratic party (including Peter Lewis of Progressive Insurance, Steve Bing, Marcy Carsey, Susie Tompkins Buell, Leo Hindrey, Gail Furman, and James Hormel) and "was developed with help from the newly formed Center for American Progress".[15][16][17] It also has received significant funding from Democracy Alliance, MoveOn.org, and the New Democrat Network.[17][18] Media Matters hired numerous political professionals who had worked for Democratic politicians and for other progressive groups.[19] [20] Former chief of staff to president Bill Clinton John Podesta provided office space for Media Matters early in its formation at the Center for American Progress, a Democratic think tank that he had created in 2002.[21] Hillary Clinton advised Media Matters in its early stages out of a belief that progressives should follow conservatives in forming think tanks and advocacy groups to support their political goals.[22] [23] A May 2004 article on Media Matters in the conservative National Review referred to MMfA staffers who had recently worked on the presidential campaigns of John Edwards and Wesley Clark, for Congressman Barney Frank, and for the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.[24]"

Posted by: gfafblifr | August 23, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

FNC should gladly sell Media Matters $1 worth of advertising time.

Posted by: JBaustian | August 23, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why Fox News was given a seat to begin with. They are not a legitimate news outlet.

I also don't understand why they haven't been prosecuted for lying over and over again. A good example is using footage of a larger rally to promote the Tea Party in Washington. There is also footage showing the FOX news staff people holding up signs saying applause and using their arms to indicate that the crowd should be louder.

Really America, we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. It is imperative that we do so in order to prevent the rise of a monster - The George Bush & Dick Cheney administration is as close we can get to having our nation's credibility irretrievably toppled.

Posted by: JacklynD | August 23, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I am very liberal, and I don't care where Fox sits. They can have the whole front row, as far as I am concerned. Have a rotating group of jounalism students from area high schools who are NOT good friends with all of the people that they are asking about and televise the thing. I'd bet that you would be better questions with a sharper edge - the hs students wouldn't be angling for an exclusive interview.

Posted by: dickdata | August 23, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

@ viaexports | August 23, 2010 8:07 PM:

Those are all individual contributions from people who happen to work for those companies, not the companies themselves. If you worked for any of those companies and wrote a personal check to any candidate's campaign or party organization it would show up as part of that total, even though it probably had whatsoever nothing to do with your the company you work for.

But a company writing out a check to a campaign organization itself? That's new. That was illegal until recently. We haven't actually seen that in years.

Posted by: CalD | August 24, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

The second biggest stockholder of newscorp is a Saudi prince who practices sharia law and is a major donor to the group behind the Gound Zero Mosque fiasco. They probably ginned up this whole issue to cause trouble for Obama. This riles up both muslims and U.S bigots, much to the profit of FOX. Wise up folks Fox is workin you. Wonder if Beck ever talks about this? I really feel sorry for the fools who watch and believe what they see on Fox.

Posted by: jimbobkalina | August 24, 2010 4:36 AM | Report abuse

With the entire Main Stream Media pumping Obamacrats, they have to buy time on FOX News to get a message out against FOX News et al. That's funny.

I expect they'll take the money, run the ad and then come in immediately thereafter
pointing out all the million-dollar sponsors of Obamacrats. Remember the $600 Million Obama presidential campaign?

Thanks for the Democratic Doublespeak, I needed a laugh...what with all the bad economic news.

Posted by: BluePelican | August 24, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's be clear on this. Fox and the other anti-community center people are NOT against mosques. There are several within walking distance of ground zero. They are NOT against inappropriate enterprises being near ground zero since there are strips joints and so on close by. What they are against is a "moderate" Muslim community center being close to ground zero. It's not a Wahabi mosque funded by the Saudis; it's a moderate progressive community center. The far right, lead by the petro billionaire Koch bros, the Australian Murdoch billionaire, and the Saudi billionaire, want no competition with the Saudi-funded Wahabi mosques, even though the Wahabi mosques are blisteringly anti-American and the moderate progressive muslim community is pro-American. Today's Republican party of overtly and openly anti-America. It's obvious to anyone with open eyes.

Posted by: Steve6 | August 24, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

The Ad is good but should be put out closer to the elections..But the screed of taking the correspondent off the front row is WRONG!

ALWAYS PUT THE FOOLS OUT FRONT!

Posted by: jetlone | August 24, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/the-daily-show-debates-is-fox-news-evil-or-stupid-video.php?ref=fpb

OPPS!!!! Fox news is fool of ish!

Posted by: AllforOne | August 24, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Fox News went to court over their right to lie on their news programs and won. How can anyone take such a supposed news organization seriously after that demonstration of false intentions.

They shouldn't be denied a seat because they are partisan, they should be denied a seat because they are report fictionalized scenarios as "news."

They lie blatantly and they went to court to maintain their right to lie. Their morning show people as Job Stewart has shown over and over again are just plain stupid.

The only one on that show who evidently knows how to use google, looked up "ignoramus" on the internet and still got the definition wrong: saying it meant "a stupid lawyer" instead of "a stupid person."

As I said how can anyone take these people or their blather seriously. I guess only ignoramuses do!

Posted by: Prakosh | August 24, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans that defend Fox have this habit of blaming someone else as their defense (i.e., "what about MSNBC and GE") - So let's make this simple for the simple minds:

GE = NBC and affiliates
Disney = ABC
Viacom = CBS
Murdoch/Saudi Prince = Fox = Republican Party

While the parent companies of the majors have their affiliations - they are not "cheerleaders and partners to a political party" (particularly the News Outlets) and directly for politicians and a political view, which Fox most certainly, unashamedly, is across all formats.

The other Fox Newz defense? Name calling to try and discredit, i.e., Liberal Media, Liberal Main street Media, et. al., all part of the Goebbels tactics of propaganda of hate, fear and smear.

Posted by: jimbackus1 | August 26, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Defending Fox is like defending Pravda or Joseph Goebbels; those of us with a sense of history and education know this. It's quite revealing the sheep that echo the "opinion newz" of the Czars of propaganda verbatim, as if to say, you don't have to be "smart", we'll walk you through the elitist educated Americans that look down on you for your naivety. Like impetus and spoiled school-children whom don't get their way, they jump up and down, stamping their feet, yelling back at mother - no, no, no, no, no! Incredibly spoiled and blind-faith indoctrinated Jesus Camp grads, whom have substituted religion for education - and ideas. They narrative in our country is no longer "the best and brightest" - but the loudest and dumbest - as witnessed by Fox. Propaganda should not have the word "news" in it. I would encourage my fellow Americans to denounce lies and brainwashing as "news" - it is propaganda, hidden in the "entertainment division" of News Corps. Cable Operations. It's only goal is to divide and conquer - Murdoch sees himself as William Randolph Hearst (or is it Ailes) - but it is clear - Fox is propaganda for the RNC and are effective at hate and fear campaigning for them.

Posted by: jimbackus1 | August 26, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

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