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Poll: Most of those who think Obama is Muslim learned it from media

Everyone is obsessing over that new Pew poll finding that the number who think Obama is a Muslim has risen to nearly one-fifth of Americans.

But here's an amazing nugget buried in the poll's internals: A solid majority of those who believe that say they "learned" it from the media. The poll asked this question of those who maintain he's a Muslim:

And how did you learn about Barack Obama's religion?

60 Media

11 Obama's behaviors or his own words

7 Things heard or read (non-specific)

7 Internet

6 Things heard or read during presidential campaign

4 Views of family or friends

4 Obama's ancestry -- family background, name, appearance

1 My own opinion

1 Obama's policies towards Muslim countries or religion in the U.S.

Until now the common explanation for this phenomenon has been to blame it on viral Internet campaigns and word of mouth. But as you can see from the above, only seven percent of those who believe Obama is a Muslim say they learned it from the Internet, and a substantial majority cites the media as their primary source.

I'm not sure what to make of that. Maybe some voices on the right have succeeded in creating an alternate reality that really is impenetrable. Maybe traditional news orgs haven't been forceful enough in knocking the lies down. Or, alternatively, maybe there's a segment of folks who are so distrustful of the "MSM" that they believe the opposite of what it tells them.

Maybe, as Dave Weigel suggests, it's all a function of rising dissatisfaction with the economy. Or maybe it's partly a result of the voices in the media who would never say outright that Obama is a Muslim, merely claiming his policies reveal him to be more on their side than on ours. Perhaps that makes people more willing to flirt with the idea that the president just isn't who he says he is.

Or maybe it's some combination of all these. Very depressing.

By Greg Sargent  |  August 19, 2010; 1:58 PM ET
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@Greg

Yet another example of the press being nothing but a corporate FAIL.

Despite their constant and annoying attitude of self-importance...you'll never get members of the media to admit the role they play in being tools for politicians' lies.

If they did their job, our Democracy wouldn't be in shambles.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | August 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Ingredients for the Presidency :

One Saudi Muslim billionaire- Khalid Al Mansour- plus one Billionaire Saudi Royal Family with very close ties to Mansur plus one radical church of black Theology and a racist preacher plus one 20 year old gullible black male plus 700 million dollars and you become President. Additional ingredients:

Gullible Americans and an Arab backed and owned media structure worldwide. That may help to explain all the different social security numbers listed for both of the Obamas with many of them showing up in media outlets.... Newspapers in 1994 lauding the campaign of "Kenyan Born Obama to the Senate" and Nancy Pelosi changing the wording on the swearing in ceremony...Now what have I left out...oh...traitors to the Democratic party who demonized Hillary - the rightful nominee, and General Electric's billion dollar campaign with MSNBC to shove Obama down our throats !!! Just follow the money... folks..its all there and it will come out eventually...

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123 | August 19, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

GOP-TV.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

People believe Obama is Muslim because he was a practicing Muslim. This matters because Obama is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion-- who (under sharia law) is subject to the most severe penalties. Obama's apostate status clearly has enormous implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam
http://www.danielpipes.org/5354/confirmed-barack-obama-practiced-islam

In sum: The cited evidence demonstrates that Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he "for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father."

Therefore, what Greg considers a media alsehood is in fact confirmed by evidence as truthful and accurate. The fact that so few understand this about Obama is a testimony to the Obamedia puppets disinformation and denial campaigns.

Denying Obama's Muslim heritage is in itself a falsehood.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 19, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Black Helicopters also too.

Posted by: lmsinca | August 19, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Greg:

Any word on how many people mistakenly think Obama is a Christian?

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 19, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to add something. What is happening with media's present extreme Right Wing bias is not unexpected. The Conservatives have had nearly complete power for 30 years at least. The Conservatives have TAKEN OVER the corporate instrumentalities of news-reporting as well as just about everything else that composes the surface of a modern culture. The same thing happened for the Liberals at the end of the 60s. They then coasted into the early 70s and got tons of legislation passed despite a Republican president. Liberals by that time dominated the culture as well. Liberal thought had become orthodoxy and Liberals WERE the Establishment. The ironic thing (hipsters, excepted) is that by the time 60s Liberalism had achieved such dominance it was already in decline philosophically and a theory of governance. Liberalism had become bloated and flabby but it dominated the culture.

So it is today with the Conservatives and Conservatism. The only question, to me, is how long it will take for the anti-Conservative forces to take hold and take control. There, the present crop of Democratic leaders hasn't exactly been a catalyst.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

And what do we call "media" that says what fits its agenda, with no regard for whether ot not it's true, children?

FOX Propaganda.

Goebbels would be so proud of them.

Posted by: lonquest | August 19, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I learned from The Media, that A Flighty Attendant struck a mighty blow for all the down trodden abused customer service workers everywhere.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

This figure, 20% seems about the same as it was during the elections. Why is it suddenly news to know a lot of White, bigoted, racist American's think Obama's a Muslim. Where in the constitution does it say a Muslim can't be president? Why does this matter and why do we call it news?

Are we feeding the fringe by doing this?

Posted by: soapm | August 19, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet that a significant portion of that group also thinks dinosaurs are a hoax.

Posted by: CalD | August 19, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

One disastrous effect of Obama's status as a Muslim apostate was the way it emboldens Islamo-supremacists.

Take the case of Kaddafi; who clearly insists that Obama is a Muslim and hopes "that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity... and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs."

Apparently, Kaddafi got his wish in Obama's submissiveness to the Lockerbie bomber release.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/26/did-the-obama-administration-push-for-lockerbie-bombers-release/

Kaddafi will celebrate that odious anniversary with Megrahi tomorrow.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 19, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JUNGLEJIM123

Hey, everybody!! We have a real live BIRTHER joining us.

Tell us JungleJim123, how much are you going to contribute to Orly Taitz's $20k sanctions now that she's been bounced out of SCOTUS again?? Enquiring minds, ya know...(you do realize she and her hubby are worth millions, right?)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Respondents who believe this probably had no idea where they "learned" it and simply chose the most reasonable sounding generic answer. Technically, the term "media" includes pretty much everything. Even if respondents had traditional media outlets in mind (i.e., newspapers, television news, etc.), they would probably select it anyway because its the answer that most bolsters the truth of their assertion. People who truly believe something like this are unlikely to think that they learned it from a questionable source.

Posted by: QuiteAlarmed | August 19, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Soapm - That is exactly how I feel.

Who cares what religion he is?

One thing is for sure; this topic is troll bait. Watch the rightwing know-nothings pile onto this thread to see who can be the most xenophobic hate monger...

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

CalD: "I'd bet that a significant portion of that group also thinks dinosaurs are a hoax."

No..no..no..they believe that Adam & Eve had domesticated dinosaurs...kinda like real-life Flintstones.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Cal I think most fundies believe dinosaurs existed, but that they died out only a few thousand years ago.

Posted by: SDJeff | August 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"I'd bet that a significant portion of that group also thinks dinosaurs are a hoax."

Some people believe there were animals called dinosaurs. Others disagree. Let's compromise and believe that there were only mini-dinosaurs, about the size of a chicken.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd bet that a significant portion of that group also thinks dinosaurs are a hoax.

Posted by: CalD | August 19, 2010 2:29

.............

Nah. They know that the were real, because Grizzly Palin's Ancestors shot them all from Helicopters, less than six thousand years ago.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It's very depressing. As you can see from the posts above, the citations for this "fact" are usually more people who cite the "fact." Usually by twisting actual facts.

Never in my wildest dreams would I ever believe that things would get this ugly after Obama was elected. I expected the usual percentage of losers to be sore about it, but nothing like this.

It really makes on question what it means to be an American in this day and age. When the Republicans finally do regain power after all this vile propaganda, what kind of America will be left for them to govern? An nation unable to discern basic facts about the world around them thanks to pervasive propaganda?

It's sad and pathetic, that a great country has come to this.

Posted by: Alex3 | August 19, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Adam and Eve road bareback on a T Rex through the garden of eden!

Seriously though, I know my invisible friend in the sky is bigger and badder than YOUR invisible friend in the sky!

Don't doubt me! I'm an ordained minister! (I actually am an ordained minister. I got ordained online so I could officiate at my sisters wedding. Therefore I am a man of God and am an authority on invisible sky friends!)

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I think some people are more incline to call President Obama a Muslim as a code word that he's Black. Nothing is scarier to White Americans (still a significant voting group) than a Black man with power. But calling him Black invites being called a Racist. If you call him a Muslim, well... that's different.

Posted by: cdreimer | August 19, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Alex3 - I fell your pain.

Quick question: Do you think it would be better or worse if Hillary would have won the election?

The rightwingers really, really loved to hate the Clintons.

But Obama is black and has a funny name...

We'll never know, but the behavior we are seeing today isn't much different than the behavior from the early 90s. This is what the rightwing does, it isn't new.

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

cdreimer....Agreed!

Some of this is also do to simply being horribly sore losers. People who are not racist still hate Obama existentially because of all the other things he represents to them...largely because of their ignorance and fear. And of course when you have GOP-TV cranking out 24/7 BS...can you say terrorist fist jab?

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

nisleib:

"But Obama is black and has a funny name..."

What's so funny about his name? Now, Dick Bananahammock...that's a funny name.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

cdreimer - Great point. If you ever have spare time you should look into the Southern Strategy.

Here is a quote (this is a direct quote) from Lee Atwater about that which you speak:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*gger, n*gger, n*gger." By 1968 you can't say "n*gger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.

"And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*gger, n*gger"."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

You should have read some of the things that Thomas Jefferson had printed about John Adams.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Totally O/T:

Roger Clemens indicted on perjury charges

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081904125.html?hpid=topnews

Magnificent pitcher and total blockhead.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

nisleib: "Adam and Eve road bareback on a T Rex through the garden of eden!"

See! and all this time we thought the Flintstones were a Saturday morning cartoon! It was all just a plot to get us to accept the "fact" that the Earth is 6000 years old.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

same 20% that though Geo Bush was doing a good job...

Posted by: angriestdogintheworld1 | August 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"Now, Dick Bananahammock...that's a funny name."

In keeping with the earlier Monty Python theme:

"Interviewer: Good evening. I have with me in the studio tonight one of Britain's leading skin specialists - Raymond Luxury Yacht.

Raymond: That's not my name.

Interviewer: I'm sorry - Raymond Luxury Yach-t.

Raymond: No, no, no - it's spelt Raymond: Luxury Yach-t, but it's pronounced 'Throatwobbler Mangrove'.

Interviewer: You're a very silly man and I'm not going to interview you.

Raymond: Ah, anti-semitism!"

Posted by: sbj3 | August 19, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of polling:

*Obama Beating Clinton, Carter and Reagan At This Point In Their First Term*

Obama's current approval rating of 44 percent beats Clinton, Carter and Reagan. All of them were between 39 percent and 41 percent at this point in their presidencies. And all of them were former governors who accomplished less legislatively than Obama has at this point in his presidency.

[...]

There's plenty to criticize in Obama's policies and plenty to lament in his politics. But when it comes to grand theories explaining how his strategic decisions led him to this horrible -- but historically, slightly-better-than-average -- political position, I'm skeptical.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/08/if_only_obama_had.html

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 19, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo1 - There is a blogger (and a darn fine sci fi author) named John Scalzi whose readers donated enough money for him to go to the "Creation Museum." The link below is his report on the experience.

If you have a few minutes, and want a heck of a good laugh, you should give it a read.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/11/12/your-creation-museum-report/

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Totally O/T:

Roger Clemens indicted on perjury charges

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/19/AR2010081904125.html?hpid=topnews

Magnificent pitcher and total blockhead.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 19, 2010 2:52 PM

........................

Something I would love to see Professional Sports Establish:

In addition to voting great players into some Hall Of Fame, also allow them to be voted into some Hall Of Shame.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

sbj:

Good one.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 19, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, nisleib! I will definitely check that out.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan, it looks like you forgot to include two recent presidents in your little comparison. I'm sure it was just an oversight.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 19, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

suekzoo1 - There is a blogger (and a darn fine sci fi author) named John Scalzi whose readers donated enough money for him to go to the "Creation Museum." The link below is his report on the experience.

If you have a few minutes, and want a heck of a good laugh, you should give it a read.

http://whatever.scalzi.com/2007/11/12/your-creation-museum-report/

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 2:59 PM

................

Do Creationists ever wonder why their Creator did not create Clothes, and Church Buildings, while he was at it, especially since he appears to demand that we have them.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey! The sheriff's a Muslim!

Posted by: dkp01 | August 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

What's a dazzling Muslimite like you doing in such a rustic nation?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"We'll never know, but the behavior we are seeing today isn't much different than the behavior from the early 90s. This is what the rightwing does, it isn't new."

Agreed nisleib!

Alas Billy boy couldn't keep it in his pants and so he gave them the ammunition...but they would have eventually found something.

BTW Does anybody know John McCain's middle name. How many times however did we hear Obama referred to as Barrack HUSSEIN Obama? Why the sudden interest in middle names. What does the W. stand for in George Bush's name...I never heard him referred to by his middle name. How about Sarah Palin..WTF is her middle name.

Seriously...only ONE candidate gets his middle name tossed about everyday...HUSSEIN...oooohhh. The fright wing gets most of their dupes from the middle class and poorer classes to vote against their own interests how...by exploiting fear and prejudice!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 19, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

More proof that some people are just plain unintelligent and beyond saving. - http://disenchantedjourno.blogspot.com/2010/08/thought-of-day-more-proof-that-many.html

Posted by: DJOURNO | August 19, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Liam - Nah, they understand God had his hands full turning T Rexes into vegetarians.

Seriously.

Read the report.

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

nisleib

I read it, but I was already aware of the place. I had seen some video news reports on the place. The theme park looks like someone's Appalachian Nightmare, after having swilled too much White Lightning.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Poll: Most of those who think Obama is Muslim learned it from media"

Well, DUH!

These polls are useless. About 47% of the electorate didn't vote for Obama the first time and they won't change their minds in 2012. Whether that crowd thinks he's a Muslim is irrelevant. He's not going to win them over even if he displays OBL's head on a pike during a press conference.
The MSM cannibalizes it's own story because they like simplistic controversy. Most members of the media can't discuss and/or explain the economic screw up we are in the way Krugman can. Simple stories, by simple minds for the simple-minded.

Posted by: filmnoia | August 19, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

@daveredhat, it wasn't my analysis. That's why I posted the link. Here is Ezra's explanation as to why he chose those three Presidents:

"Gallup's system will let me compare only four presidents at once, so I chose the last three presidents who entered office amid a recession and didn't have a country-unifying terrorist attack in their first year."

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 19, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

And I wonder, if the follow up question is asked of these people: "How many hands do you need to use to find your own backside?" something like 98% answer "both"! Are we really that stupid as a nation? No wonder the whole "birther" movement is so lingering...

Posted by: squirebass | August 19, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The note left by Barack Obama in July 2008, in the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem (later taken by a student and published in an Israeli newpaper, much to the consternation of the rabbi who oversees the wall):

"Lord,

Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins and help me guard against pride and despair.

Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just.

And make me an instrument of your will."

(full story: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0708/Obamas_note.html)

Obama addresses the "Lord" in the form of a hand-written prayer note at the Western Wall in Jerusalem. Some Muslim. People are so amazingly ignorant.

Posted by: Patrick_M | August 19, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Any bets that the media source was Faux News? They're proven liars.

Posted by: Lefty_ | August 19, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What if we are all Muslims, but we just don't know it, because the damn media never bothers to tell us ordinary people what we are.

I learned from a very old feeble woman, at a John McCain rally in Wisconsin, that Obama is A Arab.

I was not fully convinced that she was correct, until I saw it confirmed on Saturday Night Live.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Lefty - No, but I'd guess that they fingered the media as the source of their ignorance because "The voices in your head" wasn't one of the options.

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@DJOURNO Thanks for the excellent link.

Alas it just confirms my worst fears and my own observations. I think that link is unfortunately very very accurate.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Quick question: Do you think it would be better or worse if Hillary would have won the election?"

Better.

As bad as things were during the Clinton years, I never felt like the fabric of American society is being torn apart as I do now. America just wasn't ready for it.

Posted by: Alex3 | August 19, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Gallup's system will let me compare only four presidents at once, so I chose the last three presidents who entered office amid a recession and didn't have a country-unifying terrorist attack in their first year."

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 19, 2010 3:28 PM
.....................

And none of those previous Presidents had two totally bollixed up wars handed to them, when they took office.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The media that the ignorant would have learned this mis-information from would have to have been FAUX news. When will the FCC start doing their jobs....FAUX is FAKE news....it is not new as anyone with at least half a brain knows.

Posted by: gilbertpb40 | August 19, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh the irony, the same rightwing, teabagging partisans who despise the media, who say it can't be trusted, trust that same media with the claims that Obama is a Muslim.

Posted by: kingcranky | August 19, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are forced to lie and mislead in everything they say because they don't have any accomplishments of their own to stand on, and President Obama has been the best thing that's happened to this country since Bill Clinton.

Posted by: lindalovejones | August 19, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"But as you can see from the above, only seven percent of those who believe Obama is a Muslim say they learned it from the Internet, and a substantial majority cites the media as their primary source."

And by the media, they meant "Michael Savage".

That being said, at least on study (I think more) have indicated people are terrible about accurately reporting almost anything about themselves. Including such things as how they arrived at a decision, and what they feel substantiates their opinions. Not surprisingly, given a list of choices, they often pick the one that they feel would give their opinion (or incorrect "fact" they believe) the most substantial foundation.

Thus, "The media" beats "my friend said it to me when were both stoned out of our gourds and, you know, it really resonated with me".

@Patrick_M: "Protect my family and me. Forgive me my sins and help me guard against pride and despair."

Not only is he a Muslim, he now admits that he's prideful, loves sin, and wants the American people to despair!

I learned that from the media.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 19, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Alex3: You may be right, but I doubt it.

If she had won right now the rightwingers would be yelling about how the Clenis had escaped its cage Godzilla-style and was rampaging through the ground zero area. Indeed they’d probably have rationalized a way to blame 9/11 on Bill’s testicles. That is just barely hyperbole.

Remember, the GOP spent, what, 80 million investigating President Clinton's private parts. There is NOTHING they won't demagogue.

Indeed, I think they've been holding back a bit on Obama because they are afraid of being labeled racist. Or they were until now and have just decided that since the election is so close that now is the time to really reveal themselves for what they are.

Posted by: nisleib | August 19, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@CalD: "I'd bet that a significant portion of that group also thinks dinosaurs are a hoax."

That's not true. Barney is real. He's big, he's purple, and he loves me very, very much. And I gotta warn ya: he's a hugger.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 19, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Biden only pawn in game of life.

Speaking off, his full name is Joseph ROBINETTE Biden. What in the hell kind of middle name is Robinette? Is he French or something? We're infested with Secret Muslims and Secret Frenchmen.

Posted by: dkp01 | August 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

ruk:

"Seriously...only ONE candidate gets his middle name tossed about everyday...HUSSEIN...oooohhh."

Come on. Tossed about by who?

As for how well known his middle name is, I'm pretty sure that if Bush's middle name was Castro or Palin's middle name was Jong-Il or McCain's middle name was Khomenie, we'd be pretty familiar with it.

Don't get so exercised about such umimportant things.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

@Alex3: "It really makes on question what it means to be an American in this day and age. When the Republicans finally do regain power after all this vile propaganda, what kind of America will be left for them to govern?"

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

More to the point, all those funny toys you left lying around when you were in the minority? Guess what the new minority is going to do?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 19, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

All, here's why all the attacks on Cordoba House CAN actually stop it from being built:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/will_controversy_make_it_impos.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 19, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Kevin:

"Not only is he a Muslim, he now admits that he's prideful, loves sin, and wants the American people to despair!"

And he also thinks God will act through him. Oh - my - God!!! We get rid of one president with a messianic complex and immediately pick up another. Can the nation survive?

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 19, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans are happy to subtly perpetuate these mistaken perceptions and rumors.

And what really makes me angry is hearing Rudy Giuliani, Peter King and others say it is “insensitive” to put the Islamic Center on Park Place. But when they make such a claim, they also have a responsibility to be specific about how far away it should be from the World Trade Center. My question to them is: Exactly where (a street in lower Manhattan?) is the dividing line between “insensitive” and “sensitive”? Is it Chambers Street? Canal Street? Houston Street? 14th Street? Should it be moved completely out of Manhattan? It is irresponsible to tell the Muslims to “move it.” That is not leadership. You need to say EXACTLY how far from “Ground Zero” would be acceptable!

Obviously, all of these protesters will not answer the question because they are demagogues, and they are exploiting a manufactured controversy for political gain. The whole spectacle is appalling.

Posted by: fugitivenyc | August 19, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

ScottC....Unimportance of course is in the eye of the beholder and so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Here on the West Coast of Florida on the day of her infamous Clearwater rally where Palin was demagoging to her beloved idiots..someone screamed out "Kill him"
the Collier County Sheriff introduced Palin by saying she would put a stop to Barrack HUSSEIN Obama. When people are smart enough to tell members of their audience (of course the smart enough qualifier pretty much eliminates Palin) that it is not right to shout out "Kill him" it's a frightening day in America.
At least John McCain had the minimal decency to stop that infirm old lady who was trying to insist Obama was a Muslim.

We'll also have to disagree about whether the "left" would have used Bush's middle name to gain electoral advantage if it happened to be Castro or Mao. I concede that perhaps Code Pink/FDL or some fringe elements would have done so...but I don't believe anywhere NEAR the % that the right used HUSSEIN.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 19, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Fox.
I could not understand why so many friends seemed to have been drinking the koolaid. Then I watched some Fox "News." It was enlightening. Especially to a former (real as opposed to Fox) journalist.
Rather frightening.

Posted by: kbachus7 | August 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@ScottC3: "Not only is he a Muslim, he now admits that he's prideful, loves sin, and wants the American people to despair!" --And he also thinks God will act through him. Oh - my - God!!! We get rid of one president with a messianic complex and immediately pick up another. Can the nation survive?"

Uh-oh. Now we're sounding almost like a right wing version of Bill Moyers. Better stop. :)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse


And we all know what an unimpeachable source of journolistic integrity Dave Weigel is, right Greg? Hmm?

Posted by: screwjob19 | August 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

If people like to think of Bill Clinton as the first 'black president" then why not let Obama be considered the first 'Muslim president'?

For real though, can we back up a few steps here? The response of the media seems to be an implication that the fact that the belief that Obama is a Muslim is a bad thing. Is that conscious or unconscious? In some parts of the country, that's no doubt a bad thing, but are these respondents the same ones that voted for him? Did they vote for him thinking he was a Muslim? Did the same respondents who think he's Muslim also have consistently negative views of him in terms of policy, direction, etc.? The implication is yes, but do the numbers support that?

What if they also thought that he graduated from University of Hawaii's law school (assuming they have one), instead of Harvard? Would we automatically think there was a negative implication attached? Would the story be that people don't think he's smart enough to go Harvard?

The astonishment that people are misinformed about his faith seems to also have a judgement attached - how could people think he's MUSLIM? Egads! What's so bad about being Muslim? I understand that the massive media misinformation should be at least part of the story, but I can't help but think that there's some unintentional reinforcement going on that the specific misperception about his being Muslim is somehow terribly egregious. Unless of course, there's some latent feeling that Muslim doesn't equal American and THAT would be a real shame.

Posted by: sbmerker | August 19, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of the claimed source, the explanation is the same : These people are dumb. Done.

This is akin to those that think Bush was behind 9-11.

Who cares why?
They are to be ignored with such ridiculous claims.

Posted by: kreator6996 | August 19, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE WHAT HIS RELIGION IS? HOW IS THAT GOING TO CHANGE ANYBODY'S LIFE?

Posted by: october30 | August 19, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Of the course the poll also should have revealed that they are all idiots.

Posted by: davidlhanegraaf | August 19, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Is Barack Obama a Muslim?
That's how it all starts. The 'news' loves to promote provocative stories with known falsehoods in the teasers.
All the evening pundits ever do is play with a story like a kitten batting at a string. The anchors never challenge any of the false claims, they always say 'we're going to have to leave it there...'
Instead of asking: who, what, when, how, why?

Posted by: priceisright | August 19, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

please check out http://www.islamicsolutions.com/islam-a-quick-introduction/

Posted by: Nabihah | August 19, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Which media do they get their news from would be the follow up question.

Posted by: SarahBB | August 19, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The term media is too general. A follow-up question should be asked about which media outlet provided the information. I am placing bets on Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: cdierd1944 | August 19, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

In regards to the "kill him" myth, the only person that heard that was a reporter.  The SS Investigated and could find no corroboration, even among the media around the reporter. I just want to help clear up that urban legend. 

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | August 19, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Blame litigation. Business used to lie for itself, but that will get you sued now a'days.
So Media lies on behalf of the corporate world and that's protected speech courtesy of the first amendment. Nice scam, America.

Posted by: karenfink | August 19, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

...And it tells us how wrong America was for attacking Iraq.

Apparently, some 'Muslims' (if that's what they think the President is) love our freedoms and this country - enough to run for President amidst three times the death threats of any other president in US history.

That's a good thing. Either way, it means the future still belongs to America.

Posted by: greeneink | August 19, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

So the obvious next question is what percentage of that 60% get their media exclusively from "Faux News" and or Rush Blimpballs?

Posted by: WPL22 | August 19, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I’d also like to point out how bigotted, ignorant and intolerant it is of Leftists to condemn the spiritual perspective of Muslims who faithfully obey Islam by recognizing Obama as a Muslim apostate.

By what authority do these Leftists excommunicate (takfir) devout jihadists when they enforce the sharia fatwas, endorsed by the Corboba House sharia law advocates?

Again, the prerogative to issue apostacy fatwas is granted only to Islam’s prophet, or authoritative representatives of the Ummah— which are Leftists invoking?

Have Cordoba House’s handlers in the Apartheid Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the Muslim Brotherhood approved these anti-Muslim fatwas?

Don’t take my word for it: Apostacy fatwas are absolutely Islamic across every major school of Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam

Own it, Obama cultists.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 19, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Poor baby, going into a battle of wits, unarmed

"Have Cordoba House’s handlers in the Apartheid Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the Muslim Brotherhood approved these anti-Muslim fatwas?

"Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 19, 2010 8:25 PM"

Perhaps you should address that question to Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes, after all, Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Taleel is FOX News fourth largest investor, so if anyone would know, they would.

Oh yeah, actual, verifiable examples would help as well, as opposed to your empty, unproven conspiracy theories.

Posted by: kingcranky | August 19, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on Wash Post? Really? It's not as though you have been reporting objective news that allows people to make informed decisions. The American people doubt Obama because of who he is and the partisan agenda that he continues to ram down our throats. The American people doubt him - in spite of your inability to objectively and professionally report the news. You are a disgrace to those that paved the road for you - those who knew that the Bill of Rights and the freedom of speech were important. You have all been bought an paid for and the American people know it - even though you refuse to tell the truth - we refuse to be harassed into silence. You and your "president" - you are the worst kind of bullies and hypocrites. You hide behind this self-righteous do-good mantra, but you are selling the life breath of this country out. Perhaps you no longer respect hard working Americans that pay their bills, but for those who still have values - we do respect people who work and pay their bills and taxes. I realize that now the politically correct thing to do is side with those that take and don't give back, but listen carefully - the American people are tired of being harassed, bullied, and threatened. When you look at the polls - feel very comfortable knowing that those who still go to work and respect themselves will not be guilted into being made silence. The days of white guilt and shirking in the back ground for something we never did - these days are over. We have paid the price for our ignorant ancestors and now it is time to take our voice back. Shut the hell up with the idea that opposing Obama is somehow intrinsically racist. Can you really be that whored out and oblivious? I know you can - cause here you are with a story that totally denies that the American voice should be heard.
So here it goes - I am white, I work hard, pay my bills and my taxes. I am tired of being made to feel as though because I am white - I am not allowed to have an opinion or the radical left will call me a racist. Well go ahead - at this point - I'm happy to take on that slur - if it means I am not affiliated with people who are defaulting on their mortgages, expecting something for nothing and think that the rule of law only applies if it is convenient to them.
Hard work and integrity will win this war and trust me when I say that we have not lost the ideals that our forefathers valued. History has warned us about the dangerous road we are traveling, but I guess we are destined to have to fight for our freedoms. So be it. Perhaps the American people will for once, in the last several decades, feel grateful for how good we have had it all these years and start showing some respect for our history, our flag, our veterans and yes – our values. Perhaps we will find our way back to valuing the things our forefathers fought for because it seems clear that entitlement and a serious distortion of equity seem to be the things we value today.

Posted by: Maggie_the_Cat | August 20, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

People know what they are told. Sometimes you have to tell them loudly. Today's paper reports that Obama prefers to keep his religion private. Fair enough. But if he never shows up at church and never expresses any Christian sentiments (except to duck when the Rev. Wright boils over), he has no one to blame but himself if people don't know the facts.

Posted by: dicklobb | August 20, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Depressing indeed, especially when you pair that Pew poll about media misinformation with the current WaPo readers poll, "Who is your favorite Sunday morning talk show host?"
OK, it's not a scientific poll, but of what value would the response to that question be? This is the WaPo, not USAToday. The Pew poll shows that news is already dumbed down enough.

Posted by: jmk833 | August 20, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

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