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The administration's cognitive dissonance on immigration

Adam Serwer of the American Prospect is guest blogging on The Plum Line this week, while Greg Sargent's on vacation.

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is indignant that the State Department submitted a report to the United Nations Council on Human Rights with a paragraph on her state's new immigration law. She's accusing the administration of "submitting the duly enacted laws of a state of the United States to 'review' by the United Nations" and of "internationalism run amok." And she's charging that it's hypocritical to single out the law while at the same time taking credit for "sophistication and breath of [the United States'] anti-trafficking efforts."

It's a stretch to characterize the report as seeking international approval of domestic law. It merely acknowledges that the Arizona law "has generated significant attention and debate" and that it "is being addressed in court action that argues that the federal government has the authority to set and enforce immigration law."

Brewer suggests that the administration's enforcement effort has fallen short. Actually, the administration deserves credit for stepped up enforcement. It just hasn't been able to do much else.

The administration signaling concern over whether the Arizona law violates human rights standards is somewhat at odds with its own record of strict enforcement. During Obama's presidency, the number of deportations has grown to higher levels than those seen during the Bush administration. The administration has also expanded the "Secure Communities" program to every county along the Southwest border, much to the frustration of immigration-rights advocates. "Secure Communities" resembles the Arizona law in that it mandates that anyone arrested -- not convicted, but arrested -- by police have their identifying information forwarded to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, where their immigration status can be checked. According to immigration rights activists working with the federal government's own numbers, most of the immigrants deported through the "Secure Communities" program were either non-criminals or low-level offenders. Critics complain that the law contains the same incentives for racial profiling and potential for dissuading undocumented immigrants from cooperating with police as SB 1070 in Arizona. 

All of this makes clear that the administration isn't anywhere near as squeamish about deporting illegal immigrants as it is about pushing through some kind of comprehensive immigration reform package. The federal government opposes SB 1070 not because of a concern about human rights, but because the Arizona law unconstitutionally preempts the federal mandate to set immigration laws. That's probably partly why, when the administration filed its lawsuit against SB 1070, it alluded to potential problems with racial profiling without arguing that the law would be unconstitutional for that reason. (The other reason is that those lawsuits are hard to prove in advance of a law actually being enforced.)

If anyone should be angry, it's not Brewer, but the immigration reform advocates who thought the administration's emphasis on enforcement would coincide with a similarly rigorous effort to pass comprehensive immigration reform.

By Adam Serwer  |  August 30, 2010; 2:24 PM ET
 
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Arizona: It's not the heat, it's the paranoid xenophobia.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Adam, I think you're doing a great job today and I've enjoyed your writing, but so far we've got posts on Beck, the Park51 center and now immigration....you're just intent on riling up the wingnuts, aren't you?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Related: "Comprehensive immigration reform isn't going to happen this year, a Democratic senator said over the weekend.

"...Merkley's acknowledgment reflects a growing pessimism among congressional Democrats that they would be able to tackle immigration reform in any meaningful way this year.

"... The backtracking on immigration comes before an election cycle in which some Republicans might look to use the issue against Democrats, even though Democrats are not entirely united on the issue."

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/116321-dem-senator-immigration-reform-isnt-happening-this-year

Posted by: sbj3 | August 30, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Just curious sbj, how is Merkley's stating the obvious backtracking?

Or do you feel strongly Republicans are willing to have an honest debate about immigrants right now? If so, which ones?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

John McCain used to be for Immigration Reform.

Now he is for Deporting all those who back Immigration Reform.


Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

You're doing an awesome job filling in for Greg and this is an excellent post. I couldn't agree more that Brewer looks ridiculous showing her anger over this issue when the facts clearly show that border enforcement has been increased under Obama.

Can I ask for a foreign policy related post?

We have the Iraq speech tomorrow, Mid-East Peace getting fired up, Iran sanctions, Afghanistan.

There is a LOT happening on the foreign policy front and I'd hate to think that our country's foreign policy issues are getting ignored while our attention is distracted by the rabid right.

It would be great to hear your views and the latest discussions around these foreign policy issues. Thanks.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Rent a Liberal. That's got to be a niche market for the temporary staffing industy! Oh wait, there's already a burgeoning market in Rent-a-protestor going for the left. I guess this is just a side line.

Now, the case for Obama's stepped up immigration enforcement approach might, must might, have some credibility if a discussion of the rash of immigration case dismissals was part of the analysis. but nooooo.

Also, the Obama admin is using selective law suits here. Suing Arizona for ENFORCING federal law makes no sense unless Obama is also suing sanctuary cities. They are clearly violating federal law. But not a peep from Our Boy Eric about that. I guess he's too busy calling us cowards to actually get around to rationality.

Posted by: skipsailing28 | August 30, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"Or do you feel strongly Republicans are willing to have an honest debate about immigrants right now?"

Hahaha haaa ha ha, snorrf, ha ha ha ha heee hee.

Oh lord Mike, that was the funniest thing I've read in a while!

One of the things that really shows that all this xenophobia is part of a Republican strategy, and not just a collection of random biggotry, was Lindsie Grahm coming out for the repeal of the 14th amendment.

The last thing the Republicans want is honest debate about immigration! The money behind the GOP loves the way things are. They get all the cheap labor they want and deny the Democrats a huge new pool of voters.

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Jan Brewer should be deported. After all Quitter Palin said that Governor Brewer has large male genitalia, so she should be deported for deceiving the voters, by pretending to be a woman.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

1. Serwer is doing a fine job, doing what Sargent does: presenting the Dem line.

1. Attempts to claim deportations are up are a bit questionable because some have gotten confused over fiscal year issues (some deportations that others attributed to Obama were actually due to Bush). A HuffPost article seemed to show that the Obama admin won't meet this (fiscal) year's target.

3. Serwer is blaming the victim (Arizona). Those "immigration-rights advocates" are actually advocates to give additional rights to illegal aliens; aside from the occasional human rights issue they have no valid, pro-American argument. They're basically just the enablers of crooks who want to profit from illegal activity. In at least one case, an "immigration-rights advocate" group (ICIRR) received a grant from a company that profits when illegal aliens send money home (WesternUnion).

4. In case anyone wants to take effective steps to oppose those like Serwer and the Obama admin, see my guide:

http://24ahead.com/n/8577

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | August 30, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Pay for an ad, Spamer, instead of freeloading off of Plumline.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Liam - Given that the spammer doesn't know what number comes between 1 and 3 I highly doubt he can afford to pay for an ad.

Just sayin')

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

"Beck, on his Fox News show last Tuesday, said that liberation theology is at the core of Obama's "belief structure."

"You see, it's all about victims and victimhood; oppressors and the oppressed; reparations, not repentance; collectivism, not individual salvation. I don't know what that is, other than it's not Muslim, it's not Christian. It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it," Beck said. "


........................

When are some of the MSM going to point out, that Glenn Beck should be the last person who should be deciding who is a Christian, since he is A Mormon.

Are all his viewers so stupid, that they let him get away with talking about the gospel of Jesus Christ, after he abandoned Christianity, and converted, to being A Mormon?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

@mike: "Just curious sbj, how is Merkley's stating the obvious backtracking?"

The backtracking is by Dem leadership and Obama. If you don't think that the Dems have backtracked on this then I suggest you get your head out of the sand:

"Univision’s Jorge Ramos, an anchor on the nation’s largest Spanish-language television network, says Obama broke his promise to produce an immigration reform bill within a year of taking office. And Latinos are tired of the speeches, disillusioned by the lack of White House leadership and distrustful of the president, Ramos told POLITICO.

“He has a credibility problem right now with Latinos,” Ramos said. “We’ll see what the political circumstances are in a couple of years, but there is a serious credibility problem.”

"Ramos has been called the Walter Cronkite of Spanish-language media."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/40927.html#ixzz0y7Ukiymm

Posted by: sbj3 | August 30, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Liam, FYI. Mormons believe in Christ.

They are a.k.a. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I think sbj has this right (and Adam speaks to that above). But in this political environment, a subject as loaded as this one is going to take some serious care not only because of the complexities but because the opposition will take whatever is advanced and use it as a bludgeon.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Off topic but just ran into this.

There's an internal war of some intensity between a couple of corners of the modern right coalition which I hadn't been aware of. Norquist, not so much because of a consistent libertarian position but more because of his perception of electoral realities, wants Republicans/conservatives to back off on resistance to Park 21 (and to the anti-Muslim bigotry manifested more broadly in the movement). As you can imagine, this doesn't stand him in good stead with the Bigots-R-Us crowd. Further, there's an old fight here between Gaffney and Norquist that's rather delightful to those of us who have little use for either creature...

Norquist’s ‘activities in behalf of the Islamist Fifth Column’

"Earlier this month, Grover Norquist told Slate’s David Weigel that "You're not just going to lose Muslim votes. You're going to lose Jewish votes, Indian votes, Buddhist votes. Every member of a minority group looks at a situation like this and says, oh, the people hitting this minority will eventually start hitting me."

According to Mauro, “Norquist is trying to convince Republicans that attacking Rauf’s plan will cost them in the November elections, even though nearly 70 percent of Americans agree with them. He describes it as a ‘distraction’ that will cause the party to lose support among non-Christians.”

Mauro pointed out that “Norquist has aligned himself with the Muslim Brotherhood network in the U.S. that is supporting Imam Rauf [the initiator of the community center] and accusing his opponents of having ‘Islamophobia’ and having an anti-Muslim bias.”

“To understand Norquist’s role in the campaign to aid Rauf,” Mauro writes, “we must look at his history.” Norquist’s history was spelled out by Frank Gaffney in a December 2003 article at FrontPageMag.com. The piece, titled “A Troubling Influence,” was so provocative that in an introduction to the piece David Horowitz pointed out that it was “the most disturbing [piece] that we at frontpagemag.com have ever published.” Horowitz added that “It is with a heavy heart therefore, that I am posting this article, which is the most complete documentation extant of Grover Norquist’s activities in behalf of the Islamist Fifth Column." http://blog.buzzflash.com/contributor/3601

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Adam:

"If anyone should be angry, it's not Brewer..."

Huh? The administration is claiming that a statute signed into law by Brewer is unconstitutional and has, by implication of its inclusion in the UN report, suggested that it might possibly be cause for human rights concerns, and you think Brewer has no cause for being angry?

That's screwy.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 30, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It is unconstitutional because it violates the Constitution of the United States, and that is why they are challenging the Arizona law, so Scott, you can stop making up your scary lies now.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mormonism is not recognized as A Christian Denomination.

Mormons do not congregate in Christian Churches

They attend their own Non-Christian Houses of Worship. Glenn Beck is A Mormon. That makes him a Non-Christian, no matter how many of you are ashamed to accept that truth, and keep trying to cover up, for him.

He has every right to be a Mormon. No one wants to take that away from him, except all you followers of him, who want to distort Mormonism, and pretend that it is a recognized denomination of Christianity. It is not.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It might not be just the Muslims that bring their inferior genetic endowment to dilute the noble white European stock...

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/top-german-banker-all-jews-share-a-gene.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If there is anything racists hate more than the objects of their loathing it is being called racist by those objects. Brewer made her bed now let her lay in it. Enjoy the fleas.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Bernie says:

"those of us who have little use for either creature..."

Very nice. Dehumanize and demean those whose politics you don't like.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 30, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Liam, respectfully, if you listen to what was said at Beck's rally, the main theme was unity between people of faith. Your distinctions of division notwithstanding.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"If you don't think that the Dems have backtracked on this then I suggest you get your head out of the sand:"

Did they backtrack like McCain? Or did they realize they can't have an adult conversation about immigration right now because the Republican party is completely beholden to the extreme right of the party and any sort of compromise or what appears to be attempts at bi-partisanship is considered by the far right as an attack on the Constitution and said Republican traitor should be voted out.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Bernie,

A Jewish Gene? Maybe he just got the spelling wrong, and was referring to Levi Jeans?

Ah those stick to it, Germans; some still not convinced that they were wrong about that whole master race thing.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"unity between people of faith"

What about other Americans? Or are we all now required to select a pre-approved faith?

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

"Liam, respectfully, if you listen to what was said at Beck's rally, the main theme was unity between people of faith. "

LOL. This is after 18 months of attacks on anything not conservative as being un-American and attacks at this President and his family to stoke racial animosity.

Beck is a sycophant who's snake oil is obvious for anyone who has a concience.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, out in California The Republican Party's Candidate For Governor; Meg, The Internet Flea Market Queen, is trying to distance herself from Pete Wilson's endowment of her:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/30/99826/whitmans-campaign-pulls-ex-gov.html

" Former California Gov. Pete Wilson provided Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman a valuable endorsement in the GOP primary, when he declared she would be "tough as nails" on illegal immigration.

But what made that recommendation resonate for many conservatives — Wilson championed Proposition 187, the 1994 initiative that sought to deny public services to illegal immigrants — has become a liability now that Whitman is trying to win over Latino and independent voters.

Not surprisingly, Wilson, Whitman's campaign chairman, has all but disappeared from public view.

"Pete Wilson was important before June 8," conservative talk show host Ken Chiampou said in an interview this month with Whitman. "He doesn't seem important now."

To reduce Wilson's role in Whitman's campaign to the immigration issue or to one "tough as nails" radio ad, however, is to miss the significance of his involvement.

Early in the contest, Wilson's support was significant in signaling to GOP insiders that Whitman, with no political experience, could run a credible campaign.

He came with a Rolodex full of donors and consultants, many of whom helped Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger win election. He also had the perspective of being a former two-term governor and U.S. senator. If Whitman cared to talk strategy, he is the the only Republican to have defeated her Democratic opponent in an election."

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@Liam - Yeah. My first thought on reading that bit was wishing to see this fellow's family political history.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@mike: "Did they backtrack like McCain? Or did they realize they can't ...[very long sentence ensues]"

Honestly, Mike - I think the Dems realized they don't know what to do.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 30, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

"Beck is a sycophant who's...."

I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Bernie, regarding Grover Norquist, although I agree with him on the loss of votes for the conservatives (in the long run) because of their stand against Islam/Muslims, I think a prime motivator of his is even more fundamental: his wife is a Muslim of Palestinian descent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samah_Norquist

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Honestly, Mike - I think the Dems realized they don't know what to do."

You forgot the rest of your sentence.

...don't know what to do because Republicans will turn any attempt at reasonable dialog into a completely polarized debate intended to excite the nativists even further to energize them to get to the voting booth.


So, I'm glad we can agree at what's stalled the legislation.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

wbgonne, Those people are free to congregate with any group they wish, or not. It's up to them.

Did you hear something from the rally that led you to believe otherwise?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I meant "Beck's sycophancy who's...

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Unity between people of faith? Really?

Because it seems the internets are full up with Beck, on the Sunday news yesterday, saying Obama's problem is his faith.

Beck seems to be saying Obama's problem is not that Obama is a racist, but that he has the wrong religion.

Can we stop talking about Beck now please?

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Ok nisleib...you're a nice person..and Bernie and others who try to keep me on the straight and narrow...but the lady is sooo despicable that I thought I could get in some snark...although in all candor..it is an honest question.

Am I the only one here who thinks Jan Brewer looks like a man in a poor drag costume. She has one HARSH face...ouch..hurts to look at...I know..I'm being tacky...but this woman couldn't even get a job as a female impersonator because it would be too unbelievable..kinda like Dustin Hoffman in Tootsie.

Perhaps that is why Palin made her famous reference to Brewer's male parts that Liam likes to point out. Maybe she really does have a pair.

Please all forgive the poor taste but it is Monday and the end of a long day.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

"Beck is a sycophant who's...."

I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 30, 2010 4:29 PM

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Scott I am certain that you do not know what you are talking about, since I never said what you quoted me as saying.
Stop lying. If you can not make an honest case for your viewpoint, then just shut up.

Let me see now; could "sycophant" be a contraction, that describes your political state of mind; as in Sick Elephant, perhaps?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

@mike: "So, I'm glad we can agree at what's stalled the legislation."

C'mon buckaroo (I *can* call you buckaroo, can't I?) - they haven't even introduced a bill. That's what The Hill article is about.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 30, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still: next time, instead of making false claims, consider trying to come up with something approaching a valid argument. Obviously, you have no argument against what I wrote, thus the smear.

Note also that Liam-still can't even figure McCain out: he's never really changed his position, he's just tried to fool the GOP base. Few in the GOP base buy it, but you did.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | August 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Nisleib, Actually Obama wasn't really mentioned at the rally. It was largely non-political.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

davetheredhat...

"Fascism will come wrapped in a flag and carrying a Bible." ~ Sinclair Lewis 1935

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Rukidding,

I found it all rather Biblish, or perhaps Life Of Brianish, when Quitter Palin Stoned Jan Brewer.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

"I never said what you quoted me as saying."

Correct. I should have addressed it to mike. My mistake. Mea culpa.

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 30, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7, have you seen Elena Kagan?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

rukidding7 - I don't think I'm that nice. Lord knows I allow trolls under my skin FAR to often. When I'm tired and flustered I can be hyperbolic too. But I try *try* to be civil...

I also love snark, and as long as you aren't being cruel or overly unoriginal I say go for it.

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

sbj You at least are consistent. Consistently disingenuous. What freakin point would there have been to even talk about immigration much less introduce a bill.

Are you serious SBJ or like Mary in the famous movie Something About Mary...just effin with us.

I have to believe it's the latter because I know you to be a very intelligent guy who sometimes says idiotic things...not because you are an idiot but because you just like to eff with us.

Seriously...what joke...introduce immigration with a party dedicated to one and ONLY ONE THING...Obama's Waterloo. The r's do not care about negotiating, legislating..or doing anything other than obstructing....they've said it THEMSELVES time and time again.

Can you explain SBJ given the current R's why you could possible expect the D's to introduce a bill on immigration. First the R's would simply obstruct...then they would take even an honest attempt at reform and make it out like...maybe a "death panel" or "pulling the plug on granny" or Obama's socialist health care policy....same concept just different words...letting criminals who invaded our nation go scott free...taking jobs from our deserving citizens and giving them to those ILLEGALS...certainly Frank Luntz would have tested every buzzword they could to paint the Dems in the worst possible light...and against this backdrop SBJ you seriously even MENTION introducing legislation.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Note also that Liam-still can't even figure McCain out: he's never really changed his position, he's just tried to fool the GOP base. Few in the GOP base buy it, but you did.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | August 30, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

...................

Some base you have there Wacko. He won your party's nomination, and he gave you Quitter Palin, which most of you are stilling having nocturnal emissions over.

So he never fooled your base, but won the nomination, and you all want his VP pick to come and give you some Palm readings.

Some base you have there, Wacko. He didn't fool you, but yet he fooled you, into nominating him.

I can see why you are a card carrying Teabagger,

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

nisleib....yes some snark is certainly acceptable but I'm sure I shouldn't have played the "personal attack" card...I then lower myself to the level of that Republican politician in the Midwest...was it Minn or Wisc who took pictures of Hillary, Michelle Obama and others and photoshopped them to make them look as hideous as possible.

And yes Daveredhat I deserve your return volley about Kagan...there is a major difference however...while Kagan is no babe she is always smiling..has a pleasant personality and is very intelligent.

Brewer on the other hand comes across like a very unhappy shrew. She and her ilk used the fake premise that Arizona was being overwhelmed by crime from undocumented workers when the reality is that crime has FALLEN in ArizonA for the past several years. But of course as always follow the money...especially when R's are involved. Brewer is well connected to the people who run the PRIVATE part of Arizona's prison system.
They are hoping this new law will produce a windfall of new "customers".

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Liam, I find your name calling and vulgar insults off-putting. I'm not going to report your post as abuse today, or before respectfully requesting that you change your tone. I would just say that you do little to advance your point of view with this type of language and attitude.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

@ruk: Col down!

"and against this backdrop SBJ you seriously even MENTION introducing legislation."

Why yes, yes I do.

Governing is difficult - perhaps the Dems are not up to the job?

Posted by: sbj3 | August 30, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Madam Governor doesn't have the cajones to attack the problem at its source, with employer sanctions. Arizona has draconian laws that will really do the job, but she's afraid of the same people who invite undocumented workers into Arizona: The white business establishment.

If Arizonans have to one day habla espanol, it'll be because of gutless hypocrites like her.

Hire Them and They Will Come. It's that simple.

¿Comprende?

Posted by: Garak | August 30, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

rukidding. I don't get overly animated about such snarky comments. I always presume that if these are the depth of your arguments, conservative politicians probably stand on fairly solid footing; as the polls show that they do.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat says, "Actually Obama wasn't really mentioned at the rally. It was largely non-political."

Seeing as how I didn't watch any of it, and have no reason to believe (or care) one way or the other, I will take what you say about the rally at face value.

Obama wasn't mentioned. Fine.

But I never said he was. What I said is that Beck claimed, on FOX News Sunday, that Obama's problem was his religion. This is the DAY AFTER Beck held his gathering.

I don't care about Beck. To me he is just a clown like Limbaugh, Savage, Liddy, Olberman, Schultz etc.

But that Beck can hold a "non-political" rally for the purposes of, "The main theme was unity between people of faith," and then, the very next day, go on a national news show and say the President of the USA is not a racist, he just has the wrong religion...

I'm not saying Beck is a clown that is full of it, but, well, Beck is a clown that is full of it. I guess I am saying that.

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Josh recommends The Looming Tower and I concur. There are few if any better accounts of the background to 9/11 than this one...
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/top-german-banker-all-jews-share-a-gene.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat,

We get it, you like the Beckapalooza. You're entitled. Enjoy it.

To me, it was mixed and muddled without a specific purpose. "Restore Honor." Okay...what honor needs to be restored exactly? That was not defined.

I noted that Beck referenced over and over a need for Americans to turn to God. Okay. The majority of Americans already claim a faith tradition of one sort or another, whether formally or informally. That is a personal thing. If it is a call to Christianity, well, I reject that outright, as it each person's individual perogative how they embrace religion, not one that can or should be foisted on others.

I found it curious that Beck was calling on the tradition of MLK, who ministry was comprised in no small measure of social justice, an idea that just a few months ago, Beck publicly ranted against. Remember him going on about people should leave their church if they ever hear "social justice?"

And while Beck my not have mentioned Obama at the rally, he sure did yesterday. He apologized for having called Obama racist, yet turned around and said that it's his religion that's the problem. Obama is a Christian. What the hell is wrong with that, exactly?

Go ahead, and marvel at Beck if you wish. It's your right. Meanwhile, I marvel at at him, too, but for different reasons.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 30, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

A guest workers program is the most important immigration legislation that America needs right now. It's almost harvest season and American agriculture industries need affordable workers now to do the jobs that most Americans are unwilling to do.

A Guest Worker "Border Protection Tax" could help pay for Border expenses. Documented Guest workers can help companies with low pay for the hard work of plucking chickens, harvesting cotton and crops, putting up drywall and digging ditches, and basically doing the hard jobs for less that Americans are not willing to do for themselves because they have better Jobs and Opportunities. Guest workers making $7~$10/hour with little to no benefits, and paying $2/hour of that for a "border protection tax" isn’t a great deal for them, but likely better than whatever jobs are available for them elsewhere and it helps American industries that are unable to find American workers to do the job.

5 Myths about immigration
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043001106.html

“foreign-born workers who fill lower-paying jobs are typically first-hired/first-fired employees, allowing employers to expand and contract their workforces rapidly. As a result, immigrants experience higher employment than natives during booms -- but they suffer higher job losses during downturns, including the current one.” “…immigration also stimulates growth by creating new consumers, entrepreneurs and investors….U.S. workers without a high school degree experience wage declines as a result of competition from immigrants, but these losses are modest, at just over 1 percent. Economists also estimate that for each job an immigrant fills, an additional job is created.”

Beefing up border protection to the tune of 10,000 more national guards and law enforcement personal; paid for out of the guest worker program is a win-win for America and the workers and allows registration and documentation of immigrant workers that can provide a 5~10 year path towards a full-time work Visa for those that stick with the program.

Posted by: Airborne82 | August 30, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Garak, "Madam Governor doesn't have the cajones to attack the problem at its source, with employer sanctions."

Actually I believe the source would be Mexico. But I agree with you that we should address the problem there.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 30, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

A news agency publishes leaked National Defense docs. As TPM inquires, why does FOX hate America?
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/ex-federal_contractor_indicted_for_leaks_to_fox_news.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

John McCain, Joe Barton and other GOP obstructionists: Stop the flow of guns and ammunition from USA border state’s (Arizona, Texas, California) into Mexico. Crack down on USA border state gun dealers. They are selling the guns that are killing Mexican and American civilians, law enforcement and politicians. Money for Marijuana is used to buy American guns to kill both Americans and Mexicans. Stop that first before crying about Mexican refugees who are fleeing both violence and poverty.

Mexico: Dealing With Drug Violence

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/04/16/DI2009041602176_Comments.html

Posted by: Airborne82 | August 30, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Garak (and maybe dave?) are correct when they say the way to attack the problem is by fining employers.

In theory if you do away with demand, the supply will also recede.

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"During Obama's presidency, the number of deportations has grown to higher levels than those seen during the Bush administration."

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Good job, Adam: Keep pushing THE BIG LIE that Obama is deporting illegals.

While Obama administration is deporting more criminal aliens than Bush, illegal aliens who do not commit serious crimes are being given a de-facto amnesty:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/27/us/27immig.html?_r=1

Plus, Obama administration has ceased workplace raids and drastically reduced the number of employers being fined.

Posted by: pmendez | August 30, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@sue

You and Ed Kilgore have far stronger stomachs than I have...

"Having read in various places that Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" event in Washington turned out to be an apolitical nothing-burger--albeit a bizarre attempt to appropriate the legacy of Martin Luther King, Jr.--I resolved to watch a video of Beck's entire 56-minute speech.

It was, without a doubt, one of the more vacuous and cliche-ridden speeches I have ever heard, with vague injunctions to the crowd to look to the future, take responsibility, love their children, get right with God, and stand up for their values. It even ended with that most cliched secular popularization of a fine old hymn, the bagpipe version of "Amazing Grace." If it was, as so many observers suggested, a primarily religious address, it's likely that the attendees could have heard a better-crafted and more instructive sermon in virtually any of Washington's houses of worship."
more here... http://www.thedemocraticstrategist.org/strategist/2010/08/the_prophet_glenn.php#comments

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama’s Backdoor Amnesty Follows A Pattern of Disrespect for Our Laws

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/08/30/obamas-backdoor-amnesty-follows-a-pattern-of-disrespect-for-our-laws/

Posted by: genbarlow | August 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

@Garak:

"Madam Governor doesn't have the cajones to attack the problem at its source, with employer sanctions."

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Actually, Arizona passed that law in 2007.

It is making its way to the Supreme Court where it will be declared Constitutional.

Posted by: pmendez | August 30, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

ps, Kilgore notes down near the bottom what I think is the proper way to understand what Beck (or the strategists who are helping him set his trajectory) are up to... subsuming the Ron Paul libertarianish crowd (with it's passion/activism) into the larger new conservative movement where the Christian right wields great power and influence. Ed links the following good read...
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/28/at-rally-beck-positions-himself-as-new-leader-for-christian-conservatives/?hpt=C2

Posted by: bernielatham | August 30, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I know that it is popular to use the 9.5 percent figure to talk about unemployment. Sadly, this figure does not take into account people that have given up looking for employment, people that are retired and want to work, people that are going to school because they cannot find a job, and on and on. In addition, we do not talk about people that are making less money today than they were five years ago, people that are working part-time instead of full time, people that have seen their benefits cut, and on and on. Furthermore, no one wants to talk about the fact that only 60% of those eligible to work in this country are in the work force. If you want to know why immigration is such a loaded issue I have just given it to you. Until the economy improves the chances of politicians wanting to address immigration reform are ZERO. However, if this economy goes south and we either experience a double dip recession or a depression, one might well see a very restrictive immigration bill passed. Until we begin to address the reality that immigration reform is linked to our economic well being we are never going to move forward on this issue.

Posted by: jeffreed | August 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

SBJ "Governing is difficult - perhaps the Dems are not up to the job?"

SBJ That is literally ludicrous. Perhaps you care to tell us how to "govern" when one party is simply not prepared to govern and it's not the D's who are the problem.
What do you say SBJ to Jim Demented who said and offered literally NOTHING about governance or legislating other than..obstruct..whether it's a good bill or not...because we can create Obama's waterloo.

Of course SBJ I could google and get the many other quotes from dorks like McConnell who talk about total obstruction...perhaps in your wisdom you can tell us how to govern when one party unabashedly is out for a naked power grab.
You are being truly dishonest or stupid.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

@daveredhat...

"conservative politicians probably stand on fairly solid footing; as the polls show that they do."

Perhaps you'd like to tell us which conservative politicians...certainly not the Wasilla Hillbilly...

http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2010/10/60-minutes-poll-201010?currentPage=4

59% responded that they thought Palin could not be an effective president compared to only 26% who said that she could be.

Pollster.com has Palin's average among all polls at 52.7% UNFAVORABLE..36.4%FAVORABLE

And then there is this tidbit for you to digest Dave..

Obama Retakes Lead Against 2012 Opponents
Raleigh, N.C. – A month after President Barack Obama fell behind three of his main
2012 Republican rivals and tied another, he has now jumped back ahead of all four.
Obama leads Mitt Romney, 45-42 (Romney led 46-43 in July); Mike Huckabee, 47-44
(Huckabee, 47-45); Sarah Palin, 49-43 (tied at 46); Newt Gingrich, 49-42 (Gingrich, 46-
45); New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, 47-31; and failed Tennessee gubernatorial
candidate and viral video sensation Basil Marceaux, 46-21. Unlike last month, in every race except that versus Huckabee, Obama gets more of his party’s support than the Republicans do of theirs. He also now leads all candidates with independents, when all beat him last month.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_812.pdf


Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@ruk: "You are being truly dishonest or stupid."

Is there a choice #3?

Posted by: sbj3 | August 30, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Yes; you are also fat.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargent, it's the ECONOMY stupid! I am looking out my office window, right this minute, and there is a crew of Mexican immigrants, likely illegals since not one of them speaks a word of English, doing landscaping work. Two years ago, that crew was all American workers. Now, in my region, we have 11% unemployment and there are lots of people who would love to have those jobs. Every single illegal needs to be rounded up and deported AND we need to revoke immigration status for any immigrant taking a job from an American worker. No H1-B, no L-1, no visas whatsoever! "Immigration reform" means no immigrants until every American that wants a job has one.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Illegals are immoral.

Posted by: r_leever | August 30, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

We're smack dab in the middle of the Great Depression II - immigration reform is going to have to wait for a more favorable economic climate change.

Big Sis Janet Napolitano has been vigorous in throwing out all the immigrants she can and building her Berlin Wall on the Rio Grande. She even has deployed unmanned predator drones to go have after border crossers.

All airplane travelers have been zapped with radiation and a complete loss of privacy. Her kind are as tough as nails - just like Janet Reno under Clinton.

Posted by: alance | August 30, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Illegals are immoral."

Wow. Someone needs to let the Catholic church know.

"Mr. Sargent, it's the ECONOMY stupid!"

Since Mr. Sargent didn't write this column, I would change that to "It's READING COMPREHENSION, stupid!"

"I am looking out my office window, right this minute, and there is a crew of Mexican immigrants, likely illegals since not one of them speaks a word of English, doing landscaping work."

So? My grandparents and great-grandparents were all born in this country (in NM) and none of them ever spoke a word of English. My father who spent 20 yrs defending this country in the military didn't speak a word of English until he was 8. Sounds like you're engaging in some racial profiling there.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If this Administration were REALLY concerned about federal law being preempted, then it would have and would be suing SANCTUARY cities and states which not only preempt federal law, but violate it.

As for schrodingerscat, lack of ability to speak English is ONE factor considered in "profiling" and doesn't mean that someone necessarily IS here illegally, but that there is a high probability they are.

By the way, not speaking English apparently doesn't work too well for Hispanic-Americans in NM. That state's Hispanics have a high rate of living in poverty.

Posted by: Ali4 | August 30, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

So what are the allowable edges of debate here? Is it "open borders" all the way to the "iron curtain"? Is it legitimate to have a plan in place to prevent another 5-10 million from coming in? Is it employer sanctions only? Do they then deserve e-verify protection? Seriously, what's the leftist consensus on a reasonable immigration policy?

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | August 30, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat - You are both dishonest and intellectually bankrupt. How typical of a leftist. At least, after November, we will roll back *every* piece of legislation you monsters imposed upon this country. 70% of voters want either the 14th Amendment repealed or modified to preclude illegals. 60% want healthcare "reform" repealed. 84% want free trade ended and job outsourcing stopped by any means necessary. 65% want guest worker visas like the H1-B ended and those foreign workers here on them shipped home immediately. Your brand of leftism has cost the Democratic Party. You hijacked that party.... right into oblivion. The best revenge I can think of is what is going to happen to you and the few silly fools like you over the next couple of years. How does it feel being consigned to histories junk heap, a complete and total failure?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 30, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

5-10 million more illegals from coming in, to clarify.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | August 30, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I worked with a lot of people from Mexico, for several years, in the past. I do not know what their immigration status was, but they belonged to a Union in a manufacturing plant, where I headed up the QC and QA departments.

I found them to be hard working decent family people, with all the same cares and concerns, as the rest of us. Sure; they had their occasional bad actor, just like my ethnic group has, but all in all, I really became very fond of the Mexican people, and Mexican food and culture. Yes we need to reform immigration, and border enforcement should be a part of it, but we should not be rounding up families who have been here for years, and deporting them.

This is where they belong now. Let us figure out how to better and more humanly regulate the flow of future immigrants, but let us avoid acting out of vengeance against those who have been here for sometime, and have put down roots, and have children to raise and educate.

Let us offer them a reasonable path to legal residence, and eventual citizenship. It is the humane thing to do.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Of course there will be no comprehensive immigration reform while the racist right wing nuts who passed the Arizona law, want to abolish the 14th Amendment, want to stop the Park51 center from being built and are ranting that President Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya are running our system.

So stop the deportations of harmless immigrants who are not violent criminals, drug dealers or terrorists, and start granting more visas to skilled workers and entrepreneurs who can help put our country's economy back together, Mr. President. How can you complain about bigotry when your immigration policies that encourage it are part of the problem?

Posted by: algasema2 | August 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy i can not wait until November to knock you guys off your oh so fragile pedestal.

The illegals are going to get the boot and we get to watch you guys blubber and cry.

And it all starts in November.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | August 30, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

To the Native American Tribes, all Europeans came here, without permission, had "anchor babies" and stayed here for ever. If the descendants of European "Anchor Babies" are going to start rounding up Millions of Hispanics, perhaps it is time for Native Americans to take their case to the World Court, to get all of those Illegal Europeans deported.

After all; a lot of Mexican people had a lot of extended families living in the Arizona region, long before Jan Brewer or John McCain's illegal ancestors arrived in the lands of Native Americans.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

America's first anti-American president, Barack Hussein Obama, has allied himself with a foreign government, Mexico, to wage political war on an American state.

This is another Obamanation that has outraged real, patriotic, American citizens from coast to coast. It is downright treasonous and is but another reason Obama will be known as the one term blunder in a few short years.

The guy seems to hate most Americans and his contempt vitually oozes from his very pores.

Obama is a trauma for America but he is a terminal disease for the Democrat party.

The Democrats have been flim-flammed again. When will they learn?

Posted by: battleground51 | August 30, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Racist Scumbags are never Patriots, no matter how often they try to hide their racism behind that label.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The tidal wave of illegal desperados that pour over America's southern border every year is not in any manner or form immigration. To call these obnoxious interlopers immigrants is a slap in the face of all legal citizens and legal immigrants.

The best you could call them is outlaw "immigrants". They are outlaws by definition and no one can dispute that without lying.

Obama has decided he likes foreign outlaws much more than he does real Americans. This is insane for an American president.

We may as well have elected Hugo Chavez. The results wouldn't be much different.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 30, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Americans must unite and repel the invading hordes streaming into America from the south. We are being occupied by a massive foreign army of 20,000,000 illegal squatters who have only contempt for American law and values.

Remember the hapless Indians. They were vicious savages and blood thirsty warriors but they stayed divided and let the Europeans wipe them out. The Indians were weak and stupid and now they are virtually extinct.

Let's not be the next, American Indians.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 30, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Racist Scumbags are never Patriots, no matter how often they try to hide their racism behind that label.

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Ah the bitterness is seeping through with your every word. November is fast approaching and you guys are throwing out every vile thing you can think of in the hopes that one of them stick. Sorry none will and you will find that out about 11 pm on election night.

The only thing most Americans are becoming racist towards is you liberals and deservedly so. to bad you cant see that from your lofty perch.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | August 30, 2010 7:25 PM | Report abuse

It is unconstitutional because it violates the Constitution of the United States, and that is why they are challenging the Arizona law, so Scott, you can stop making up your scary lies now. Posted by: Liam-still
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As a veteran Law Enforcement officer, who has studied court opinions for the past 40 years, not to mention my own academic background in the study of the U S Constitution, I have to say that you are dumber than dirt in making such an irresponsible statement.

Might I suggest that before you continue to make a fool of yourself, read the Arizona law at issue here!

What troubles me moreso than the dumbed down Federal Lawsuit filed against Arizona through Obama's stooge, Eric Holders' Justice Department is that Hillary "Jezebel" Clinton would submit this issue to Internal oversight, as though they have anything to do with the internal conduct of our government.

I unfortunately envisioned her as a viable and vibrant candidate for President in 2012, (after Obama is impeached as a traitor to this nation and its' people) but if she is going to advocate international review and constraints on domestic policy within the United States, I could never support her, not even for "dog catcher". I have never heard of anything more rediculous and near traitorous than what she did in this matter.

Her husband wasn't prosecuted over the China Gate treasonous acts he committed. Is it possible she learned nothing about the sovereignty of this nation? Wake up, we are not a part of the World Government that these Socialist pigs envision for the United States, not yet!

Posted by: Jordan48 | August 30, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Illegals should be blocked and shipped back over the border if at all possible. Mexicans should NOT be allowed quotas greater than other nations.
A significant factor in the deluge is the exponential breeding rate pushed on so many Mexicans by the Vatican's ignorant Dark Age views on contraception and family planning. It'sheer madness in our overpopulated finite size and finite resources earth!
Madness!

Posted by: lufrank1 | August 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

SBJ...I've already given you choice #3 :-)

You're just effing with us.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Correction of sentence structure and spelling to previous my previous post:

What troubles me moreso, than the dumbed down Federal Lawsuit filed against Arizona through Obama's stooge, Eric Holders' Justice Department is that Hillary "Jezebel" Clinton would submit this issue to "International oversight", as though the United Nations has anything to do with the internal conduct of our government.

Posted by: Jordan48 | August 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Who let the dogs out? ooff ooff

Who linked this thread to the wingnut wacko's?

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 30, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

People do not want to deal with the issue decently right now to say the least. That they do not think about consequences much says a lot about why they're part of the problem.

1 in 5 people drink the pool water, there's no president who can fix that real easy.

Posted by: Nymous | August 30, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

What is most frustrating about many of the pro Obamanation supporters concerning the immigration issue is that they are so stupid.

Our nation is a nation of laws. The federal immigration laws are binding upon all who enter this nation, whether legally or illegally. The issue has raged long before Obama took office, and many of our elected officials have refused to get tough on this issue.

Obama envisions these illegal aliens as a potential and very substantial voter source for the Democrats. That is why he attempted to form a plan that would do an end run around the U S Constitution and the majority veiw of 70 percent of the American voters who oppose amnesty. He can not obtain a majority conscensus on this issue in the Congress and Senate.

The laws are on the books! Enforce the Laws as they relate to illegal aliens in this country and stop requiring American tax payers to absorb the costs of supporting these people who knowingly, wilfully, with premeditation, entered this nation illegally. Just what is so difficult to understand?

We, the American people, are paying 100's of Billions of Dollars each year for Social Welfare programs, public education, etc., for illegal aliens who live withing this country illegally! Where in the U S Constitution do you find any reference to granting legal protections or financial benefits to people who are citixens of another nation living in this counttry illegally? They have no standing or expectation of legal and financial protections afforded to lawful citizens of this nation!

Try going to Mexico and seeking legal or financial benefits from the Mexican Government as an illegal resident of that country! For that matter, try it in any other country in this world. If you trespass into Iran, China, North Korea, and many other countries in this world, you face imprisonment for an indeterminate period of time.

If an illegal is found to be in this country, deport them the first time they are apprehended. If they are apprehended the second time, imprison them for a few years (1-2 years) and then deport them. On the third offense, mandatory imprisonment for ten (10) years and deport them again.

Our present system is nothing less than a revolving door with no punitive damages for repeat offenders.

Posted by: Jordan48 | August 30, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Who let the dogs out? ooff ooff

Who linked this thread to the wingnut wacko's?

Posted by: rukidding7
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The answer to your query is easily answered. Just ask yourself how you got here!

Posted by: Jordan48 | August 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

This article is disgusting on so many levels.
For this administration to submitting writings regarding AZ's immigration law to an international body is infuriating and disloyal.. Are other countries with very strict illegal immigration laws and enforcement being "discussed" by international organizations? To refer to AZ in writings shared with the United Nations is the ultimate in disloyalty.
As for the administration's enforcement effort, it is negligible. The fact that the level of criminality from illegals exceeds that of the past would account for somewhat increased deportations, if in fact there has been increased deportations. Highly unlikely.

Considering the position of ICE in collusion with the DOJ there is a less than half-hearted effort to deport illegals generally. The administration's efforts are token efforts at best and reliance on immigration activists for information regarding "profiling" and number of deportations is so ludicrous as to be laughable --- Info from Gutierrez and others like him?? Please!!!

If the activists are angry with the administration not passing "Comprehension Immigration Reform", it is because they want their brand of "CIR", amnesty now, and the administration is looking at their poll numbers while waiting for an after-election move for amnesty.

This whole article is such a crock -- support, logic, coherence, and basic intelligence are missing; in place, however, is the ignorant, inappropriate lauding of an inept administration, and a complete disregard for American taxpayers -- i.e. those in CA, the state which has been bankrupted to the tune of 19+billion dollars given to the support of illegals.

The audacity of this administration / DOJ to sue "one" of their own (AZ) while supporting the blatant disregard for the law is so typical of this corrupt, sell out, bribe-taking administration.

Currently, there is the possibility of amnesty for illegals without even having a vote from Congress.

Posted by: pjcafe | August 30, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Actually the administration should get credit for stepped enforcement? It just hasn't been able to do much else?

OH? Why is that? Because this socialist and globalist we have in the White House doesn't want to do anything else. He wants to make a show to the nation that he is doing something, so he sends an inadequate number of national guard troops to the border who can't do anything to stop the illegals. They are there only as tattle tails, to detect and tip off the under staffed INS.

What a wasted, pathetic apologist you are Sargent for this fop in the White House we are stuck with for two more years. My greatest hope is he won't destroy the nation in that time, while he spends taxpayer money sending his wife overseas on vacations and he golfs in Nantucket or Martha's Vineyard.

Screw you waterboy.

Posted by: bbwk80a1 | August 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

immigration reform is going to happen in the next few years but it wont be anything like the amnesty program la raza has in mind.

Posted by: dummypants | August 30, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Count me as an ex-Hillary Clinton supporter. Any looney who thinks the U.N. should comment or in any way review American states' laws should be exiled to Libya, another U.N.Human Rights Committee country.

Posted by: drzimmern1 | August 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

@j48:Wake up, we are not a part of the World Government that these Socialist pigs envision for the United States, not yet!

It it truly frightening that a "veteran law enforcement officer" and "constitutional scholar" believes this protobircherist psychobable. The fact that someone in "law enforcement" believes the black helicopter theory of the UN makes me question "law enforcement" recruiting standards. I guess its like the Army not requiring high school graduation for its troops.

"Obama is impeached as a traitor to this nation and its' people"

Do the events of the last 20 months look like Obama committed treason from your condo in farrightwingnutistan? From the reality based community, it looks like Obama is a centrist who proposes ideas that previous generations of repubs proposed and voted for (insurance exchanges, individual mandate, etc.) and gets the worst of both worlds:
-a compromise policy made even less effective to appease the conservadems, holy joe, and the Maine twins
-he gets pilloried with relentless red-baiting, deeply hypocritical criticism, and outright lying about his positions (pull the plug on Grandma) for months on end while the goppers stall the Senate with procedural obstructionsim.

The scenario is basically the same for the stimulus, finreg, jobs bills, etc.

From over here in the reality based community, it looks like Obama was saddled with 2 badly mismanaged wars, the worst financial meltdown since 1929, historic deficits and a doubling of the national debt in 8 years, and the implosion of a huge housing bubble that was partly inflated by the low interest rate policies of the last administration. Obama ran as a centrist and has governed like one. He has proposed incremental, centrist solutions to most of the problem facing the US. He is hated by the 20-25% of red meat conservatives and his centrism has disappointed more progressive constituents than excited moderate and independent ones. The dems are facing a typical mid term loss for the president's party, combined with many vunerable seats from 2 consecutive winning cycles and the biggest economic turndown since 1929. It could be bad for dems this cycle.

But from over there in farrightwingnutistan it looks like the last 20 months proves Obama is a socialist, muslim, Nazi, terrorist sympathizer who commits treason regularly and plans for the downfall and sublimation of the US into the one world government secretly being run by a cabal in a secret bunker under the UN.

Just so we are clear....

FYI, I think Lyndon Larouche is recruiting again...

Posted by: srw3 | August 30, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

It seems that any one wanting to enforce current immigration law is accused of xenaphobia. I am not a racist, my heart goes out to the broken families that deportation creates. But that is not an excuse not to enforce the law. Prison creates broken families as well but there is no outcry not enforce the law.

Posted by: conroegirl | August 30, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

@bbwk80a1: Because this socialist and globalist we have in the White House

Mr Birch, Mr John Birch, please meet your party from Wingnut Air flight 100 Gate Z001....

@j48: If an illegal is found to be in this country, deport them the first time they are apprehended. If they are apprehended the second time, imprison them for a few years (1-2 years) and then deport them. On the third offense, mandatory imprisonment for ten (10) years and deport them again.

Do you own stock in private prisons or something? Whose taxes are you planning to raise to incarcerate the extra millions of undocumented immigrants (men, women, and children) and build hundreds of new prisons? Hell, when are you going to propose a sustainable funding stream for the rest of the growing (and aging) prison population of good old American criminals? For all your experience as a person in "law enforcement", it doesn't seem like you thought this mass incarceration thing through...but I guess that's how they do it in farrightwingnutistan...

Posted by: srw3 | August 30, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't seem to be in favor of deporting those who were not born in this country.


I wonder why.............


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

In hopes of being elected Republicans will do what they can to damage America so they can further damage America.

The Party of NO! don't know.

Posted by: Emmetrope | August 30, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

There may be a federal mandate to make immigration laws, but if there is one that is the job of Congress. The executive's job is to enforce the laws that Congress passes...even the immigration laws. last I looked there was no law that says only violent illegal aliens will be deported or the aunt of the president gets a free pass on defying deportations orders.

My guess is that when previous administrations went to war without Congressional authority, all the liberals who are posting here were in a huge uproar. The principle is the same. Congress makes laws, not the president. When and if Congress changes the laws to allow the DOJ or ICE to pick and chose which illegal aliens get to stay then the president will be following the Constitution. Until then, he is just another autocrat usurping Congressional authority.

Posted by: kronberg | August 30, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

This is most interesting:
" The administration has also expanded the "Secure Communities" program to every county along the Southwest border, much to the frustration of immigration-rights advocates. "Secure Communities" resembles the Arizona law in that it mandates that anyone arrested -- not convicted, but arrested -- by police have their identifying information forwarded to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, where their immigration status can be checked."


So based on this paragraph, Obama is clearly playing politics by calling the Arizona law "misguided", and that liberals are just morons when it comes to their own parties activities.

What is also telling is how the media will not address the current administrations expansion of the "Secure Communities" program, but run story after story condemning Arizona for trying to protect their own border.

Why hasn't the new done any real analysis of the current federal laws on the books and how it compares to the Arizona law. When the liberals and media talk about the Republicans playing politics, it is hypocritical of them to do so! Every word out of Obama's mouth has been politics since he took office. All he is trying to do is distract Americans from his failed policies!

It also shows just how stupid liberals are on the issues! Yet, of course, they still claim to know all! LOL!! Stupid Liberals!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | August 30, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"The administration has also expanded the "Secure Communities" program to every county along the Southwest border, much to the frustration of immigration-rights advocates. "Secure Communities" resembles the Arizona law in that it mandates that anyone arrested -- not convicted, but arrested -- by police have their identifying information forwarded to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, where their immigration status can be checked."


This statement says it all! Democrats are hyprocrites and are just playing politics with the Arizona law. It also just shows how stupid liberals are about understanding their own issues! Stupid liberals!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | August 30, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

This is a yet another classic example of how the so-called "elite"(?) in this country actually hate and despise the majority of it's citizens.......remember; Obama was caught on an open mic denigrating the 'peasants who cling to God and their guns'....you cannot hide your true colors for long.

Hilarity just played her hand too...she would be no different....people have forgotten how arrogant, elitist and condescending the Clinton regime was as well....America; you are HATED by those who have benefited the most by the freedoms and earned privileges that our soldiers and forefathers fought and died for. The nation deserves better than the division and condescension that the democratic party is raping the the country with......but of course, they know better than you, because after all...they are smarter than you,...they said so...

Posted by: arioch666 | August 30, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Here's some hypocrisy for you:

The Federal Government is suing the State of Arizona because it rightly claims that the responsibility for enforcement of immigration laws constitutionally rests with the federal government.

On the other hand, the Federal Government is not suing, has never sued and has never made a peep about "sanctuary cities". You know, those cities that have told the Federal Government that they do not submit to Federal authority with respect to immigration law, that they do not recognize Federal law, that they will not cooperate with Federal investigations!

If you don't get it yet, here it is: Sanctuary cities are unconstitutional, they interfere with the proper enforcement of Federal law, which is the supreme law of the land.

Amazingly, even conservative pundits and talk show hosts are too stupid to figure this simple hypocrisy out.

Posted by: magellan1 | August 30, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"Illegals are immoral."

Wow. Someone needs to let the Catholic church know.


The catholic church is, also, immoral.

Posted by: r_leever | August 30, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Debating, more debating...keep it us,Gringos...Ahhhahahahaha...by the time you finally finish..we will have more AnchorBabies than you could ever control.
How do you say.."Dialectic Process..." ?
AhhhhhHahahahaha

Posted by: OklahomaBoots | August 30, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The real hypocrites are the conservatives and their constant attacks on illegal immigrants. Real capitalism knows no borders. Real capitalism requires the free movement of capital and labor. Our immigration laws were made to protect American labor from having to compete with cheaper labor, originally the Chinese who came to work on the railroads. Our immigration policy is a socialistic policy, protectionism is Socialism.

People are willing to risk imprisonment, deportation, and even death to seek a better life, and yet it is the conservatives who attack this most vehemently of all.

How shameful of those who claim to love liberty and justice, what a bunch of pusillanimous little troglodytes.

Posted by: bikesac | August 30, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Americans are losing their jobs and homes, struggling to feed their families. The US government continues to import 1.5 million foreign workers annually while millions of our citizens are unemployed. The US government continues to pander to illegal alien criminals invading our nation while our military is policing the rest of the world . Our government continues to give away billions in foreign aid to countries that hate us while our national debt exceeds 13 trillion! Our government has listed some soldiers and marines returning from Iraq as possible terrorists! When did our government deem the American people as the enemy? These "public servants" are supposed to work for and serve the American people! Something is very wrong with our government. Washington is full of crooks, liars, thieves and traitors!

Posted by: Stephen44 | August 31, 2010 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Not only several states in USA boycott Arizona, now it is the whole world, wake up confederate Arizonians like in WWII your defeat is imminent now the Allies are unified once more against Brewer Gestapo policies.

Posted by: seansmith5511 | August 31, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

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