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* More pushback against the "professional left": President Obama says he's delivered "the most progressive legislative agenda" in up to "three generations."

* Another setback: A Federal court rules that California's ban on gay marriage will remain in place until December at the earliest. People who have reserved for themselves the right to decide who can and can't get married rejoice as hundreds of couples are forced to put their wedding plans on hold.

* More ominous signs for House Dems: The Republicans are investing a huge amount of ad money in multiple districts where they're on the offensive, while much Dem money is going into districts where they're on the defensive.

* And corporate money continues pouring into the midterms: Karl Rove's outside group dumps huge money into another ad buy targeting the Dem Senate candidates in Colorado and Ohio.

* Question of the day: How did we reach a point where former Bushies like Michael Gerson can rightly point out that opposing the Islamic center undermines the "war on terror," while even top Democrats can't summon the courage to say this?

* No end to the whining and skittishness: Capitol Hill Democrats whimper anonymously to the media that they weren't given a heads up that Obama would come out and defend the Constitution and religious freedom.

This apparently put these poor, put-upon Democrats in a really bad political spot. Pass the hanky!

* Sad: Even New Jersey's GOP governor, Chris Christie, is better on the mosque issue than many Dems.

* Ya think? Republicans don't appear too worried about being labeled "intolerant." Carl Hulse, writing about the broadening GOP offensive against Dems on the mosque, archly notes:

The intensity of their attacks showed that they do not appear worried about the risk of being seen as intolerant or not supportive of the right to freedom of religion.

* But Joe Klein steps up: He unequivocally condemns the GOP strategy of politicizing the mosque debate in the midterms. How many other commentators will do the same?

* Great read of the morning: Dana Milbank contrasts the words of George Washington with those of Sarah Palin and other anti-mosque demagogues. Simple but absolutely brutal.

* And today's award for great moments in scientific thought goes to... Tea Party-backed Senate candidate Ron Johnson, who apparently believes climate change may be caused by "sunspot activity."

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  |  August 17, 2010; 8:32 AM ET
Categories:  2010 elections , Climate change , Foreign policy and national security , Morning Plum , Senate Dems , Senate Republicans , Tea Party  
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An interesting aspect to the 9th Circuit stay on Prop 8 is that they have directed the appellants to address why they have standing to bring the appeal in the first place.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/appeals-court-blocks-same-sex-marriages-pending-prop-8-appeal.php?ref=fpb

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 17, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"More pushback against the "professional left": President Obama says he's delivered "the most progressive legislative agenda" in up to "three generations.""

Greg, I have no problem with what Obama said nor do I see this as equivalent to Gibbs' attack on Liberals.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Its worth noting that Cristie said essentially the EXACT same thing as Pres Obama then turned around and criticized Pres.Obama's response as being political. Wonder how many outlets will point that out. My guess? Not many.

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | August 17, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

As for climate change/energy:

"US is toughening scrutiny of deepwater drilling"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/16/AR2010081603026.html

Even without Congress, Obama can accomplish much through administrative action. The key is to remove the subsidies on carbon-energy so that it reflects its true cost. Then the market will take over.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh and the actual "professional left" that run of the mill lefties keep providing cover for? They have exposed themselves to be exactly who Gibbs said they were over the last week and a half. Just look around at the folks who are running with the "Obama Walkback" story and you will see the usual suspects even though Greg and MMFA have already destroyed their premise. Great thing is the rank and file are starting to recognize the game.

Posted by: sgwhiteinfla | August 17, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Here we go again. The only way to prove patriotic Americans follow George Washington is to support neo-pagan KKK demands to emolate Crann Tara monuments next to MLK memorials.

The only way to prove we’re not bigots is to remain coldly apathetic over Marxist demands to erect Stalin’s bust next to the D-Day memorial.

Apparently, George Washington's letters are now an invitation to shut up, bend over and grab our ankles? Not in my America, Greg!

Why are areligious Quislings– who reflexively vomit over school (*gasp*) Christmas pageants– suddenly the arbiters of what’s reasonable at Ground Zero?

Submissiveness to Imam Rauf’s Islamo-supremacist demands sends the message that Americans are Quislings and cowards.

Are American Quislings (in both parties) prepared to let Cordoba House intellectually bully them into accepting Imam Rauf’s false assertion– that sharia law advocacy is (somehow) representative of moderate Muslims?

American Muslims may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for secular Americans (Muslim and non-Muslim alike) to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Cordoba House jihadists than insincere bromides and disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia law, as practiced by the Cordoba House cabal and their financial sponsors.

A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @ SecularIslam.org.

Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the sharia law vendors of Cordoba House supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists– but don’t hold your breath.

“Ye blind guides, that strain out the gnat, and swallow the camel!” [Matthew 23:24]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Don't bite, folks.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I’d also like to point out how bigotted, ignorant and intolerant it is of Quislings (in both parties) to condemn the spiritual commitment of Muslims who faithfully obey Islam by observing “honor killing” fatwas.

By what authority do Quislings excommunicate (takfir) devout jihadists when they practice “honor killing” and enforce the sharia fatwas, endorsed by the Corboba House sharia law advocates?

Again, the prerogative to issue apostacy fatwas is granted only to Islam’s prophet, or authoritative representatives of the ummah— which are the Quislings invoking?

Have Cordoba House’s handlers in the Apartheid Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or the Muslim Brotherhood approved any anti-honor fatwas?

Don’t take my word for it: “Honor Killing” is absolutely Islamic.
http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

Own it, Quislings.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Oh and the actual "professional left" that run of the mill lefties keep providing cover for? They have exposed themselves to be exactly who Gibbs said they were over the last week and a half."

Who are you referring to as the Professional Left?

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Islamo-supremacists must return Muslim-occupied Cyprus and the Hostage Ghost City of Famagusta (home of the desecrated St. Nicholas Cathedral)— then victimhood cultists of Cordoba House can howl about alleged “rights” to build on Ground Zero.

St. Nicholas called— he’d like his cathedral back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas_Cathedral_Of_Cyprus

Russians crush Chechens. Chinese trample Uighurs. Real genocides unfold regularly in Africa. Iran pursues a nuclear bomb. Hamas is openly dedicated to the destruction of Israel. So is Iran. Nobody cares.

And yet the only villain as far as much of Quislings are concerned is America. Always America.

But none of these facts matter. Indeed, it’s tiring even to recount them in an environment where big lies matter more than obvious truths, where self-defense is “bigotry,” where restraint is “intolerance,” and where the heirs of Gandhi fling molotovs (both real and rhetorical) in support of al-Qaeda.

Those interested in exploring the history of apartheid Islamo-supremacism in a more scholarly manner may read, “The Legacy of Jihad” @
http://www.andrewbostom.org/loj/

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

@wb - you bit

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Since the Muslim occupation and ethnic cleansing of Greek Cyprus began in 1974:

* at least 55 Greek churches have been converted into mosques

* another 50 Greek churches and monasteries have been converted into stables, stores, hostels, museums, or have been demolished

* the cemeteries of at least 25 Greek villages have been desecrated and destroyed

* innumerable icons, religious artifacts and all kinds of archaeological treasures have been stolen and smuggled abroad
illegal excavations and smuggling of antiquities is openly taking place all the time with the involvement of the occupying forces

* all Greek place names contrary to all historical and cultural reason were converted into Turkish ones.

VIDEO: Famagusta, The Hostage Ghost City of Europe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcfBJ7DimB8

Why don’t Leftists howl about the continuing cultural rape and occupation of northern Cyprus? Priceless antiquities have been pillaged; Greeks have been driven out of their homes; ancient churches have been converted into mosques; and the thriving resort of Famagusta transformed into a ghost town. Nobody cares.

Instead, Leftists obsess over the trumped-up plight of Cordoba House jihadists— apartheid Islamo-supremacists committed to replacing the US Constitution with sharia law.

/grotesque

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

it's not at Ground Zero, it's not a mosque, and even characterizing it as two blocks away is generous. The community won't be "in the shadow" of Ground Zero; it won't even be visible from Ground Zero. Hell, developers aren't even calling it the Cordoba House anymore, in the hopes that a more generic name -- Park51 -- will set minds at ease.

Everything about this debate is largely a sham, cooked up by conservatives who hope to pit Americans against each other in advance of an election cycle.

The bare minimum of a sensible, constructive public discourse is a base of reality to build upon. At this point, we're not even close.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_08/025236.php

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 17, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Don't cower, bernie.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps it deserves another mention. As the recent profile on Gingrich quotes him in a regular speech to audiences...

"The more angry we get, the worse it is for Obama." That's the game being played here.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

FOX's parent company News Corp. donates $1 Million to GOP.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-08-16/republicans-see-gains-in-governors-races-as-funding-hits-peak.html

Can we stop pretending FOX is a news outlet, and start treating them like the communication's arm of the GOP they are? Please?

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | August 17, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I know we shouldn't feed the trolls. I know... Must be strong. Don't point out kdaffy's religion baiting....don't do it...

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse


Many come to the scene of the worst terrorist attack on American soil to pay tribute to pain and unspeakable tragedy. They're welcomed by solemn memorials and a visitors center amid the noise of reconstruction.

If they're so inclined, they can also buy porn, play the ponies and take care of all manner of personal business within steps of the former World Trade Center.

In a walk of the streets within three blocks of Ground Zero, the Daily News counted 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 separate salons where a girl can get her lady parts groomed.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/16/2010-08-16_a_sea_of_filth_near_ground_zer0_mosque_gets_all_the_press_but_porns_around_corne.html#ixzz0wrxLa8Ny

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 17, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Bernie, I though you meant the Islamophobe.

"The more angry we get, the worse it is for Obama." That's the game being played here."

Very true. Because the GOP founders the instant it attempts rational debate. Rationality is the GOP's enemy. That is why Republicans should be compelled at every turn to recognize and address real problems, instead of the rhetorical symbols they traffic in.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

FOX = GOPTV. I intend to use the new name whenever possible.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Ha'aretz editorial on the emerging McCarthyism posing a threat to academic liberty in Israel...
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/politruks-in-academia-1.308486

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Quoting the Bible? I love quoting the Bible!

General Epistle of James, Chapter 1:

19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
20 for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 for he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Posted by: KevinShinn | August 17, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

@wb - That was my meaning. He's a consequence of this type of strategy. Engaging such folks wastes time much more productively spent in other ways.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"I’d also like to point out how bigotted, ignorant and intolerant it is of Quislings (in both parties) to condemn the spiritual commitment of Christians who faithfully obey Catholicism by observing “conversion by the sword” and "trial by ordeal" for heretics".

"I’d also like to point out how bigotted, ignorant and intolerant it is of Quislings (in both parties) to condemn the spiritual commitment of Jews who faithfully obey the Old Testament by smiting owners of animals kill people."

"But, the Scripture soberly warns, if one of your animals kills a second time because you didn’t kill it after it claimed its first human victim, this time you die right along with your animal. To use the example from Exodus, if your ox kills a second time, “the ox shall be stoned, and its owner also shall be put to death.” (Exodus 21:29)"

just sayin'

When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the Cross.

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

[@KevinShinn spat: I love quoting the Bible.]

Me too!

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."
[Matthew 7:5]

"Physician, heal thyself."
[Luke 4:23]

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."

It would be nice if someone reminded American's of why we started a new Nation instead of letting the far right crazies being the only ones with a mic, telling us who we are. I applaud the president trying to remind us of our founders vision, it's ashame he doesn't have support of others in this nation.

This ladies and gentlemen is why Democrats are slipping in the polls. I believe the masses would side with their view if only we knew what their view was. We really need someone to offer an alternative, an opposing view to the hate and fear coming from the right...

Posted by: soapm | August 17, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

@Greg

Rachel Maddow was won the 2010 Walter Cronkite Faith & Freedom award for her coverage of religion in politics.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/17/rachel-maddow-to-receive_n_684434.html?ir=Politics

Maddow proves yet again to be a model of journalistic integrity, and someone that more DC media figures should be striving to be like. If even half of the current press corp was as good as her, this country would be 10x better off than it is now.

I hope you're willing to put up a congratulatory post for her. It might go a long way to have you (and others) praising those that actually practice journalism. Maybe some of the bonehead pundits might take notice and maybe - just maybe - start to take their responsibility seriously.

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | August 17, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"There is no simple, singular 9/11 group who really should or could speak for all 9/11 family members," said Donna Marsh O'Connor of September Eleventh Families for Peaceful Tomorrows, a coalition of more than 250 families which recently endorsed the mosque. Since the endorsement, the membership numbers have grown, she said."
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/pro-mosque-mom-who-lost-pregnant-daughter-in-trade-center-911-families-not-monolithic.php?ref=fpc

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Rachel Maddow is a real journalist and it's a matter of mirth for me that the newly minted acolytes of "accountability" like Sharron Angle, Rand Paul, Lizzy Chaney and Queen Sarah the Immiscible can't run away from her fast enough.

Posted by: KevinShinn | August 17, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Last year it was "death panels", this August it's "sharia law". Since Republicans have nothing to actually run on to set us on a course of economic recovery, they run on fear and distortion to cover up their lack of principle.

We can either sit back and watch while they manipulate a susceptible electorate or we can fight back with the facts.

"While right-wing fear-mongers have tried to ruin Park 51’s organizers with libelous claims that they support terrorism -- the go-to smear when Muslims are connected to any issue -- the opposite is true. As the New York Times reported, Imam Faisal Rauf and his wife, Daisy Khan, “founded a Sufi organization advocating melding Islamic observance with women’s rights and modernity.” After 9/11 they began “focusing on connecting Muslims and wider American society. They spoke out against religious violence; the imam advised the F.B.I.; his wife joined the board of the 9/11 memorial and museum.”

George W. Bush, to his credit, made it clear that Islam was not a threat to the United States. “We respect the faith,” he said in 2002. “Our enemy doesn't follow the great traditions of Islam. They've hijacked a great religion," he said. In 2006, he asked, “Will we support the moderates and reformers who are working for change … or will we yield the future to the terrorists and extremists? America's made its choice. We will stand with the moderates and reformers."

http://www.alternet.org/world/147864/why_america_needs_more_muslims/?page=3

Posted by: lmsinca | August 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

[srw3 spat: "Christians who faithfully obey Catholicism by observing 'conversion by the sword' and 'trial by ordeal' for heretics"]

Even if srw3 anti-Catholic bigotry were true today, it would remain logically fallacious, tu quoque.

Naturally, there is no evidence that Catholic violence is occuring anywhere today.

Conversely, srw3 can't address the cited evidence (above) that honor killing is absolutely Islamic.
http://www.islam-watch.org/SyedKamranMirza/honor_killing.htm

Don't be an advocate for the apartheid Islamo-supremacism of Cordoba House your whole life, srw3.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

TheBBQChickenMadness, that's boring.

See, Greg already stated yesterday the common Journolist belief that now that Reid took a position, every single Democrat will have to take sides.

That way, they will have somewhere around 310 stories to write about.

IMAGINE HOW MUCH FUN THAT WILL BE TO PIT DEMOCRATS AGAINST DEMOCRATS!!!!

It's almost as though journalists revel in the idea of a party crumbling. It gives them material.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 17, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Rachel!

Unfortunately, so long as GOP-TV spews there must be a 24/7 TV-news alternative. CNN (Michelle -- Marie Antoinette -- Obama) is too busy emulating FOX and MSNBC hasn't gone all in. The country suffers for it.

Later, All!

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

This is quite something...Ingraham in December last year saying nice stuff about the goals of the Park 21 center...
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/pro-mosque-mom-who-lost-pregnant-daughter-in-trade-center-911-families-not-monolithic.php?ref=fpc

No longer, of course.

Posted by: bernielatham | August 17, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Examine the Greg’s “intolerant” charge in light of these sentiments;

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”
“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”
“How perverse are Muslims!”
“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”
“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”
“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Hate speech? Incitement to violence? Sounds like it to me; but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Cordoba House Muslims not consider this to be hate speech? How is it that I can post these quotes with full certainty that Cordoba House won’t be contacting WaPo Editors (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm

Don’t be an advocate for Islamo-supremacism, Greg.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Kevin 8:17 You mustn't say "I believe in religious freedom *but*..."

Posted by: KevinShinn | August 17, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

@Kdaffy:
St. Nicholas called— he’d like his cathedral back.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Nicholas_Cathedral_Of_Cyprus

Huitzilopochtli called. He would like temple back from the catholics that used the stones from his temple to build their church on the temple's site.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Metropolitan_Cathedral

"Russians crush Chechens. Chinese trample Uighurs. Real genocides unfold regularly in Africa. Iran pursues a nuclear bomb. Hamas is openly dedicated to the destruction of Israel. So is Iran. Nobody cares."

The bush administration certainly didn't care when the Darfur genocide was in full swing, that's true. Attacking Iraq was more important.

It makes sense that Iran wants the bomb since it just watched its neighbor invaded and occupied based on false information and distortion. Israel is currently bent on ethnic cleansing of the occupied territories.

Human rights groups which are almost uniformly progressive in outlook regularly condemn Russia, Sudan, China etc. for human rights abuses and religious persecution.

Nice try diverting the thread to other topics. Typically weak and easily disproven arguments... If you want to blog about human rights in Russia, start your own blog. None of these examples has anything to do with whether or not we practice religious freedom and tolerance in the US. If you think that any mosque or group of Muslims (a tiny minority of the US population) is going to impose any kind of law on the rest of the US, so please give this one up...

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

If we had a 24/7 News channel actually interested in news we might be hearing more about this:

"Obama: Wis. plant symbolizes clean-energy future
(AP) – 1 hour ago MENOMONEE FALLS, Wis. — President Barack Obama says a Milwaukee-area battery plant represents the country's future in renewable energy. Obama visited ZBB Energy Corp. in Menomonee Falls on Monday morning. The company makes batteries and fuel cells that get used in renewable-energy products.

He told workers he's glad to see clean-energy manufacturing jobs here in the U.S. instead of overseas. He says he wants cars of the future to have engines and batteries all stamped, "Made in the United States." Obama spoke for about 15 minutes before a supportive crowd of about 50 ZBB workers and their families.
He struck an optimistic tone, saying the economic is growing again. He says when the chips are down, it's a mistake to bet against American industry."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZb3U2HBltxwcdh1_zQmj1rHbz7gD9HL7UB80

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

cmccauley60 lied: "it's not at Ground Zero, it's not a mosque, and even characterizing it as two blocks away is generous."

Don't be a lying taqiya vendor your whole life, mccauley.

This has become a common weapon in the arsenal of mosque proponents. They will say that the mosque needs to be at 9/11 to demonstrate American religious liberty and as a gesture of healing to reverse the damage done on 9/11, as Daisy Khan has said. Then they will contradict themselves by saying that the mosque won't be at Ground Zero anyway, but a few blocks away, and so it doesn't really have anything to do with 9/11.

In the first place, the mosque will not be a few blocks away. I have been to the site, and can tell you: walk half a block down the street from the Burlington Coat Factory that is set to be the site of the mega-mosque, turn left, and you will see Ground Zero. Smith and Haberman have apparently never been to the site, as no one who has could characterize it as "a few blocks north." It is actually just 600 feet away from Ground Zero.

But also, and more importantly, the Burlington Coat Factory building is in a larger sense part of Ground Zero. The landing gear from one of the jetliners hijacked on September 11, 2001 flew into the building that the Islamic supremacists want to tear down to construct their mosque. That makes this building part of the 9/11 attack site, and will make the mosque -- in the eyes of the Islamic world -- exactly what the Dome of the Rock is: a mosque of victory built right on the site of the Muslim defeat of the Infidels. The Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa Mosque, built on the site of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, are declarations of the superiority of Islam over Judaism, and its victory over Judaism. The mosque at the Burlington Coat Factory site, built on the site -- not near it, but on it, because of that landing gear -- of the Islamic jihad attack on September 11, 2001, will be seen as a declaration of the superiority of Islam over the United States, and its victory over the American economic machine.

The Burlington Coat Factory building, 45 Park Place, which was severely damaged by that part of one of the 9/11 planes, is Ground Zero, as is the former World Trade Center site. That's why the Islamic supremacists want that building, and only that building, and why they have rebuffed Governor Paterson's offer to help them move elsewhere, and why they persist in their plans despite a rising chorus of public disapproval and public anguish that shows up their claims to be "building bridges" with this mega-mosque.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

@mikefromArlington

It's dissapointing to see you buy into the journolist nonsense.

That said...yeah, the coverage of this whole thing has been eternally aggrivating. It's nothing but a manufactured controversy in the same vain as Sherrod or the New Black Panthers. It's amazing to me that even those that know better seem to be caught up in this - including Greg.

I will say that Reid coming out against it was really pathetic, and makes me all the more angry at the GOP for not running a credible candidate against him. I would happily take a moderate GOPer in the mold of Lugar or Snowe or even Brown in that seat instead of Reid. But instead Reid is running against a f*cking lunitic - so I don't have much of a choice but to support him.

But notice...Reid comes out "against" it, and we see story after story about Dems' infighting. But no matter how many times GOPers repudiate other GOPers, there's never a wave of stories about infighting. It takes massive failures by Steele to even broach the topic...and it fades in a few days every time.

More FAIL from today's so-called "journalists".

Posted by: TheBBQChickenMadness | August 17, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Greg:

"People who have reserved for themselves the right to decide who can and can't get married..."

I am curious, Greg....is it your position that there should be no restrictions whatsoever on the types of relationships that the state sanctions as a "marriage"? For example, should the state sanction "marriage" between a brother and a sister? How about between a widow and her sonor daughter? Does the inention to have some sort of sexual relationship matter? That is, ought 2 (or more!) people be allowed to get married by the state as a strictly financial arrangement? If there are literally no restrictions on the types of relationships that are recognized by the state as a "marriage", what is the point in having the state recognize them in the first place? If there are, in your view, at least some legitimate restrictions, aren't you, by force of your own logic, reserving for yourself the right to decide who can and can't get married?

Posted by: ScottC3 | August 17, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If I go to the top of the Empire State Building I can SEE Ground Zero. And the smoke from the fires settled throughout Manhattan and may have travelled as far as Long Island or even further.

This is all hallowed ground.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 17, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

And if the Hubble Telescope was directly above Murfreesboro, TN or Temecula, CA, it would probably be able to focus on GZ and I think a member of one of the 9/11 victims' families may have visited those cites so there shouldn't be any Muslim activities there either.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 17, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Today's GOP LIE, c/o Orange Man:

""""With the unemployment rate sky high and the country buried under $13 trillion in debt, Democrats are plotting a massive tax hike on families and small businesses to fuel even more government spending.

Raising taxes would devastate private sector employers. In fact, a congressional Joint Tax Committee study found that half of all small business income would get hit by the president's tax hikes. As a former small businessman myself, I can tell you it's the last thing employers need.

The deficit is being driven by too much spending – not too little revenue.""""

That was an email (begging for cash) from John Boehner.

The info from the JTC is purposefully deceptive. While half of "small biz income" will get impacted by letting tax cuts expire for the rich, they only represent 3% of small biz.

Here is a MUCH better analysis than any I can provide... But this type of information NEEDS to get out there before November.

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Would Small Business Be Hurt by Obama’s Tax Plan?

...the Republican claim is false.

According to the Joint Tax Committee, which analyzed President Obama’s tax proposal, taxpayers will report $1 trillion in business income on their individual tax returns in 2011. And just as Republicans claim, about 50 percent of that income is expected to be reported by people in the top two tax brackets.

But there is a big difference between “business income" and the small-business profits. Business income includes profits from real estate, royalties and limited partnerships for anything from real estate and oil drilling to venture capital and private equity funds. It also includes income from estates and trusts – so trust-fund babies are a part of the mix.

Put another way, much of what Republicans equate with small business income is investment income earned by wealthy people who hold stakes in a wide array of ventures.

Indeed, the Joint Tax Committee cautioned that the figures “do not imply that all the income is from entities that might be considered ‘small.’”In 2005, it noted, more than 6,000 partnerships and 12,000 “Subchapter S’’ corporations (which allow owners to report profits on their individual returns) had revenues above $50 million.

But the United States has about 1.5 million small businesses, and the vast majority of business owners earn modest incomes. According to the Joint Tax Committee, only 750,000 people – about 3 percent of those who report positive net business income – would be affected by the higher rates.

“The data clearly shows that most small businesses would be completely unaffected by the higher rates,’’ said Chuck Marr, director of tax policy at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a liberal think tank. “For the last 30 years, we’ve had a tremendous concentration of income at the top for small businesses, just as we’ve seen for Americans in general.”

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Blogs/2010/08/04/Vault-Would-Small-Business-Be-Hurt-by-Obamas-Tax-Plan.asp

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I suppose I was just poking fun with the journolist reference.

I said it though because I heard Chuck Todd say exactly what Greg said here yesterday, "With the Senate leader at odds with the president, the media will press every Senate Dem to declare which side they're on."

Why is that now the common theme? Who decided that is what they will have to do?

OK. So, their positions are known.

Then what?

Then everyone will have some sort of knowledge that will do what? It's like a circus with all the acts going on at once for no apparent reason.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 17, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

All, check this out, profile in courage: We now have a Democrat who is opposing the mosque, and is using the issue politically against a GOP opponent who had previously SUPPORTED it:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/house_democrat_now_politicizin.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 17, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I want to thank you also for linking to Millbank's column. I typically detest Dana Millbank, but this one was a really REALLY powerful read.

Today's Tea Partiers and Republicans would do well to READ about the founding of the country and, more specifically, about the Constitutional Convention in Philly where they drew up the Constitution.

Here is a portion of George Washington's letter, from the Millbank column:

"""""It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support."""""

I'll paste the comment I left if/when the comments section on the article decides to load in...

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 17, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

[cmccauley60 spate: "so there shouldn't be any Muslim activities there either."]

Your hyperbolic absurdity mistates the obvious. Nobody suggests stopping "any Muslim activities.

In fact, SecularIslam.org (cited above) are authentic moderate Muslim Americans who deserve to be defended from the sharia law vendors of Cordoba House.

But Quislings will keep slinging the silly "bigot" slander... even as they defend apartheid Islamo-supremacists of Cordoba House.

Hypocrisy on stilts.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Shorter right wing: We're not bigots... but ISLAMO - MUSLIMISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the obvious follow - up: Were is their outrage about the lack adequate health care for the undeniably heroic Americans who volunteered to help in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks? And yes, that includes people who may not have been here legally.

This whole episode is beneath contempt.

Posted by: michael_conrad | August 17, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

You're worried about Sharia Law in the USA? That's your big concern?

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 17, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

[srw3 sneered: "Huitzilopochtli called. He would like temple back"]

Now Quislings advocate return of human sacrifice vendors? At least that's consistent with their sharia law vendor advocacy. Insane, but consistent.

These Quislings are beyond parody.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

[srw3: "If you think that any mosque or group of Muslims (a tiny minority of the US population) is going to impose any kind of law on the rest of the US"]

Apartheid Islamo-supremacists are already imposing sharia law here, my little Quislings.

VIDEO: Sharia Law in America
http://vodpod.com/watch/1482539-sharia-law-in-america

VIDEO: Sharia Restrictions in Dearbornistan
http://www.youtube.com/user/Acts17Apologetics

See Rifqa Barry;
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=33173

See Obama's Legal Advisors;
http://newsflavor.com/opinions/obamas-legal-state-department-adviser-impose-sharia-law-on-america/

But Quislings will keep pretending the threat posed by sharia law advocates of Cordoba House isn't serious.

None so blind...

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Quislings don’t confront real evil; and hate those who do. You can see this on almost any school playground. The kid who confronts the school bully is often resented more than the bully. Whether out of guilt over their own cowardice or out of fear that the one who confronted the bully will provoke the bully to lash out more, those who refuse to confront the bully often resent the one who does.

Today, Leftist-Quislings express that cowardly contempt for those of us who take a hard line with Islamo-supremacists. It’s ever our fault for provoking these bullies. Better to remain supine while the sharia law advocates satisfy themselves raising money for terrorists; tormenting American widows and orphans at Ground Zero; erecting their monument to Islamo-triumphalism.

The Quisling answer: Just attack patriotic Americans as “racists, fascists, Islamophobes, xenophobes, neanderthals, bigots” (the whole Star Wars cantina of Quisling boogeymen)… and hope the crocs eat them last.

There’s a word for that: Cowardice.

Own it, Quislings.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Quislings have apparently been in a coma (both before and after 9/11) since they appear to think 9/11 was the only incident of Muslims attacking non-Muslims. If they weren’t in a coma, there’s no excuse for such gross stupidity.

Muslims must take some responsibility for their global jihad when thousands of their co-religionists over the past two decades kill thousands of innocents of every religion around the world; and when they deprive non-Muslims of their human rights in 57 of 57 Muslim governed countries.

Look. American Muslims may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for folks to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Muslims than disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia tradition, as practiced in Iran, Gaza, Kashmir, Malaysia, the Paris banlieue… and (pointedly) Cordoba House in NYC.

A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @ SecularIslam.org.

Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the vast majority of (allegedly) “peaceful” American Muslims supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists… but don’t hold your breath.

+15K deadly Islamo-supremacist attacks since 9/11 don’t lie. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

@kdaffy: The big lie: 9/11 was...Muslims attacking non-Muslims.

Terrorists (who falsely claimed to be Muslims on Jihad) attacked the WTC, not Muslims.

The lords resistance army (The group is based in apocalyptic Christianity--per wikipedia) in Uganda claims to be motivated by Christianity. Does that make their, raping, killing, pillaging, torture, and forcing of children to be soldiers Christian acts? Or are they twisting and distorting Christianity to justify their heinous and immoral acts? Just askin'

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

"More ominous signs for House Dems: The Republicans are investing a huge amount of ad money in multiple districts where they're on the offensive, while much Dem money is going into districts where they're on the defensive."
---------------------------------------------

LOL! It *could* have something to do with the fact that 85-90% of House seats are always safe as milk and Democrats won pretty much all the districts that are even remotely competitive in the last two elections. It would therefore kinda stand to reason the most of the battles this year just about have to be fought in Democratic-held districts. Now go and change your armor.

Seriously though Greg, it's understood that you gleefully look forward to seeing Democrats get their butts kicked in November, believing that would somehow validate a cherished tenet that they'll be punished at the polls for not being progressive enough. Of course it would prove no such thing in real life, any more than Republicans losses in '06 and '08 proved they weren't radically right-wing enough, as the radical *right* so fondly believes, but in the alternate universe know as the professional left, it's unquestionable gospel that it would.

Anyway, be that as it may, cheering for a Democratic fail would likely work better for you if you tried to seem a little less obviously stoked about it -- you know, more in sadness than in schadenfreude. The key is to try and appear more *concerned*.

Posted by: CalD | August 17, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@kdaffy: Blatant falsehoods. The videos you post make my point. "http://vodpod.com/watch/1482539-sharia-law-in-america" People are free to impose further restrictions on themselves. Take for example the Hasidim. They are both sexist and racist, and yet somehow they exist in the US and haven't converted the rest of US Jews, not to mention the general population to their view of Judiasm...

BTW: should Catholic hospitals be able to deny information about abortion or abortion services to non-catholics? Isn't this Catholic doctrine taking over the US? Isn't this a bigger threat, given the vast power that Catholic legislators have in Congress and the huge number of Catholics here in the US?

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Dear lmsinca | :

FYI: Talked to a gentleman today who is living in Canada. He left his native England. Told me that there is an overwhelming number of Moslems in England, and when they apply for work if they do not get the job they immediately claim prejudice. So of course the fearful employer gives them the job

The stated purpose of Sharia Law if to become the law of the land. Is that the kind of America you want us to become ? Honor killings, honor be headings( the fellow sent over to NYC to improve the image of Moslems and he beheaded his wife.

How about the Moslem who went to his Imam and was told to cut off the nose and ears of the beautiful young girl who ran away from the gross old man she was bethrowed. to ? Is this the kind of America you want ?

I have watched films in which Moslem converts in America are saying that someday Sharia Law will be the law of the land.

I can only quote John Wayne, "that'll be the day pardner" !

Now go ahead and call me a bigot, there's a job for you in jolly ol' England !

Posted by: edmbenson | August 17, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

CalD: You seem to ignore the history rise of the Modern Right. It suffered embarrassingly with Goldwater but, by acting determinedly, the Right ultimately won nearly everything it wanted by the time Bush II left.

Why can't the Left do the same? I know you don't believe it but the country knows in its gut that the Right has failed. The country is ready for the Left. but the Left isn't ready for the job yet. The Left needs more ideologues and true believers, more visibility, and then it needs some strong Liberal candidates to emerge nationally. None of that can happen with a lukewarm milquetoast approach. That is what the Goldwater Republicans understood. Eventually they won. (Of course, the country lost but that is another matter.)

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"given the vast power that Catholic legislators have in Congress and the huge number of Catholics here in the US"

Not to mention six Supreme Court justices! Six out of nine.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

@edmb: The stated purpose of Sharia Law if to become the law of the land. Is that the kind of America you want us to become ?

The stated purpose of the American Nazi Party is to create an ethnically pure Aryan race, and yet they exist here in the US. I would say Sharia has about the same chance of getting enacted as Aryan purity.

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

srw3 invokes Uganda's Lord's Resistance Army-- another variation on the silly “tiny minority” fallacy again. Pernicious nonsense!

The Tiny Minority Fallacy is as much use in understanding Islamo-supremacist terrorism as it is in understanding cancer. I weigh about 85kg, 5% of which is 4.25kg. If my doctor told me I had cancer of the bowel, lungs, and brain but that the total weight of all tumorous tissue in my body was no more than 4.25kg and that there was therefore no particular cause for alarm, I would find a different doctor. To imply that cancer needs to be something other than a tiny minority of one’s body weight before it constitutes an existential threat would be to misunderstand cancer. So it is with terrorism.

Quislings have apparently been in a coma (both before and after 9/11) since they appear to think 9/11 was the only incident of Muslims attacking non-Muslims. If they weren’t in a coma, there’s no excuse for such gross stupidity.

Muslims must take responsibility for their global jihad when thousands of their co-religionists over the past two decades kill thousands of innocents of every religion around the world; and when they deprive non-Muslims of their human rights in 57 of 57 Muslim governed countries.

Look. American Muslims may be the very soul of moderation. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable for folks to ask for more from (allegedly) “peaceful” Muslims than disingenuous whitewashing of uncomfortable elements of Islamic sharia tradition, as practiced in Iran, Gaza, Kashmir, Malaysia, the Paris banlieue… and (pointedly) Cordoba House in NYC.

A genuine tiny minority of anti-jihadist Muslims may be found @ SecularIslam.org.

Americans remain breathless in anticipation of the vast majority of (allegedly) “peaceful” American Muslims supporting this genuinely tiny minority of their co-religionists… but don’t hold your breath.

+15K deadly Islamo-supremacist attacks since 9/11 don’t lie.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Try to keep up, srw3.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

@ wbgonne | August 17, 2010 12:54 PM:

"Why can't the Left do the same?"

In no particular order:

* There are about half again as many conservatives in the country as there are liberals, any way you measure it. They can get away with more to begin with.

* We suck at PR.

* And why should we have to stoop to selling our views to the great unwashed anyway? The correctness of our positions should be obvious to anyone, right?

* So don't even talk to us about message discipline.

* At the end of the day, we'd really rather beat up on Democrats than Republicans. We'll settle for whoever is in power of course but apostates obviously deserve worse treatment than unbelievers and besides, it's a helluva lot easier than running around trying to sell our views to the great unwashed.

* We're a lot more comfortable playing the victim than the victor, but most ~other~ people prefer winners to a losers.

Posted by: CalD | August 17, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

[srw3 boasted: "Blatant falsehoods. The videos you post make my point. People are free to impose further restrictions on themselves."]

Apparently, Quislings agree with Cordoba House that sharia law can trump the US Constitution, so long as its practiced internicine.

That will come as small solice to American women subjected to the oppression of sharia fatwas.

So, much for 14th Amendment Equal Protection guarantees for American Muslim women.

Of course, the cited evidence demonstrates that sharia law enforcement isn't limited to Muslims.

"City corrals Christians at weekend Arab fest, judge won't let ministry deliver tracts on sidewalks"
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/026668.php

Try harder to keep up, srw3.

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Wonder how Leftists will react when sharia law advocates of Cordoba House freely "express" their views on gay rights?

VIDEO: Somali kids assault gay man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfW9inRkTpU&feature=player_embedded

VIDEO: Muslims brutally assault DC gay man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjcpo3KcHSI&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: KaddafiDelendaEst | August 17, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

CalD:

I hear your bitterness but I don't understand it. The Right worked very hard to establish its primacy. The Left must do the same. But remember that the Right's lodestar was its core principles. Government is bad. Lower taxes. Greed is good. I suggest that the Liberal-Democratic resurgence must also be founded on core principles, repeated over and over. Government is how civilized people come together to solve their common problems. That's where I'd start.

The dysfunction you describe, I think, is largely a result of Democrats losing their lodestar. The messaging must follow the core principles. That's what the Right did.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"most progressive in up to three generations"?

Most progressive since LBJ, certainly. Don't know what the definition of a "generation" is. 20 years?

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | August 17, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

@kdaffy: Argument by analogy is odious. % of cancer has 0 to do with the fact that terrorists and murderers of all stripes try to use religion as a justification for their heinous acts. The terrorists that are Muslim are no better or worse than the terrorists that are Christian or Jewish or Seik.

"Apparently, Quislings agree with Cordoba House that sharia law can trump the US Constitution, so long as its practiced internicine. That will come as small solice to American women subjected to the oppression of sharia fatwas."

If women don't want to adhere to Islam or a particular branch of Islam they are free to leave here in the US.

"So, much for 14th Amendment Equal Protection guarantees for American Muslim women."

Again, here in the US, no one is forced to believe or practice a certain religion.


"Wonder how Leftists will react when sharia law advocates of Cordoba House freely "express" their views on gay rights?"

People that beat up other people are breaking the law and should be subjected to the consequences. That's how we do it here in the US. If it is defined as a hate crime the penalties are more harsh. That's how the rule of law works.

"City corrals Christians at weekend Arab fest, judge won't let ministry deliver tracts on sidewalks"

"When city streets and sidewalks, which are generally open to the public, are used to facilitate an event or festival via the City of Dearborn permit process, the city streets and sidewalks actually become temporary festival grounds, which will have special rules or considerations allowing for logistical and public safety issues."

"These Dearborn evangelical pastors later issued a lengthy statement stating they believe in the right to spread the message of Christianity, but criticized the tactics and behavior of members of Acts 17 Apologetics, saying they did not reflect a Christian spirit."

So even other Christians are offended by the acts of the agitators.

The city of Dearborn has a slightly different take.

The festival also included a specified “First Amendment Zone” located at the East main entrance to the festival where groups were welcome to gather and express opinions and beliefs freely and safely.
"Five (5) Christian-based organizations and two (2) Muslim-based organizations also secured booths at the festival and were actively proselytizing in ways that conformed to the festival rules and regulations...In addition, a Christian group called Impact International from Virginia has provided volunteers to work at the festival for multiple years. They promote the experience to their members as a way to learn about other cultures. There were no reported issues with any of these other organizations."

The acts 17 groupies were just too cheap to do what other Xians did and buy a booth. They wanted to make a scene and they did.

Keep up??? I have to regress to the middle ages just to be in sight of kdaffy.

Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

@kdaffy: The mosque at the Burlington Coat Factory site, built on the site -- not near it, but on it, because of that landing gear -- of the Islamic jihad attack on September 11, 2001,

The debris from the towers falling spread all over lower manhattan. so what...The landing gear from a plane makes a building hallowed ground. Really?


Posted by: srw3 | August 17, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

@ wbgonne | August 17, 2010 2:07 PM:

Oops, I forgot to say, "...but I'm not bitter."

As for the democrats "losing their lodestar," (zomg, yikes) do the names, Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Walter Mondale, and Michael Dukakis ring any bells? Go look up how smashingly well those guys did at the polls in '68, '72, '84, and '88 and consider that most 21st century progressive^ers are actually a tad to the ~right~ of typical 1980s Democrats in general, then come back and we can talk about lode stars.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

You might also want to give this a look while you're at it:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141032/2010-conservatives-outnumber-moderates-liberals.aspx

Those numbers really haven't budged that I can recall in all the time that people have been asking the question. You could go back another 20 years and they'd look very much the same as they did in 1992, 2002 and will likely still look in 2012, regardless of what the Democrats and/or their lode star do in the mean time.

So I'm afraid that if you really want to change the world, you're just not going to do it by beating up on Democrats for understanding that there is virtually no place in the country where they can win a federal election without staking out a sizable piece of the political center. A principle difference between Democrats and Republicans is that there are quite a few more places where Republicans just about can. So as I said before, they can get away with more than we can. But I'm not bitter. ;-)

Posted by: CalD | August 17, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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