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Was the Glenn Beck rally turnout really that impressive?

Adam Serwer of the American Prospect is guest blogging on The Plum Line this week, while Greg Sargent takes a short vacation.

While the official Tea Party estimates of Saturday's rally attendance may range between a gajillion and the fafillion, the company CBS hired to give an estimate placed the turnout at a respectably large 87,000, larger than the official estimates of turnout last year's 9/12 rally but no where near the estimated 1.8 million that attended Obama's inauguration.

The number of people who showed up for Beck's rally was also considerably smaller than the 1963 March for Jobs and Freedom, at which Martin Luther King Jr. gave his "I Have A Dream" speech and which Beck self-consciously styled his "restoring honor" event after, to the irritation of many liberals. The 1963 march drew around 200,000 people, according to contemporary estimates. The crowd then was considerably more diverse, had a leftist economic agenda and was organized by admitted socialists who palled around with a number of other lefty types who likely would have ended up on Glenn Beck's chalkboard back in the day. That crowd also was produced without the kind of financial support provided by Freedomworks and Americans for Prosperity, and at a time when long-distance communication tools were considerably more limited.

In fact, given the money and technology available to Beck, it feels like there should be a way to adjust for inflation when it comes to historical comparisons of crowd sizes. Imagine what King, the black church and labor movement could have done if they'd had access to the Internet and a television network.

The Million Man March in 1995, the last big event that similarly mixed a sort of vague spirituality with political criticism of the then-Republican majority's congressional agenda, drew around 450,000 people, according to the lowest estimates. Louis Farrakhan's relative obscurity other than as a right-wing bogeyman may also be instructive for liberals looking for some historical perspective. Ten years after positioning himself as the de-facto leader of black America, he was pretty much a non-factor politically.

All of which begs the question of why liberals wrung their hands so publicly over Beck's spectacle, as though this even might actually dwarf the 1963 March on Washington in terms of historical and political significance. At this point, it's obvious that Beck's stunts have a self-conscious hint of irony to them. His increasingly messianic self-conception and his outsize comparisons between himself and important American historical figures seem deliberately designed to make liberals issue angry public denunciations, which only increase his profile and solidify his stature in the conservative movement, where Pissing Off Liberals is actually more important than anything else. He's figured out how this hustle works. What I don't understand is why liberals keep indulging him with their outrage.

Beck's inversion of history, by which a people demanding more supply-side tax cuts and a conservative takeover of Congress become the civil rights activists of their time, is too patently absurd to take seriously. The historical context of the 1963 march, the size of the crowd, and MLK's avowedly leftist social and economic politics make an enduring association between that event and this one impossible. The only people who should be genuinely angry about Beck's event are the conservatives who have apparently decided to take the comparison to heart.

Democrats are going to get shellacked in November because of the unemployment rate, not because Glenn Beck is leading a new civil rights movement for white people who don't want to see the marginal tax rate for people making more than $250,000 a year go any higher. Given the economic misery most Americans are feeling, it's probably a testament to the enduring mistrust people have for Republicans that Beck, even with the help of the conservative movement's biggest star, couldn't draw a bigger crowd.

By Adam Serwer  |  August 30, 2010; 9:00 AM ET
 
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I'm no Beck fan, but I did venture over to the Mall to get some pictures. I was there from about 10:30a to 11am, and the crowd was objectively enormous. 87k seems way low; it was sardines from Lincoln to WWII, and crowded from WWII to Washington Monument. When I left, large numbers were still entering the Mall.

Posted by: NNevada | August 30, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

CBS report is untrue. Even MSNBC is saying that Glenn Beck rally got 500,000 people or MORE. Whoever did this estimate at CBS should be fired.

Posted by: xcef2008 | August 30, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Adam, and welcome aboard!

Couldn't agree with this sentiment more:

"Democrats are going to get shellacked in November because of the unemployment rate, not because Glenn Beck is leading a new civil rights movement for white people who don't want to see the marginal tax rate for people making more than $250,000 a year go any higher."

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that notion will be lost on most of the MSM. We'll hear lots of stories about Obama wanting to do too much too fast, how he shouldn't have bothered with HCR, and how he governed too far to the left.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

He got 87K people to show up?

How many millions of people does that equate to on Fox? I'd guess they are saying 8.7 million?

I didn't watch any of the footage, can anyone confirm if there were indeed "miracles" as Glen promised?

Adam is correct, liberals should just ignore this fool. He keeps "hippie punching" and we keep responding, bad idea. You need to treat folk like Beck like they are untrained dogs. If you keep coming every time they bark they will learn to bark all the time.

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Eighty-seven thousand? CBS should demand it's money back.

Posted by: markperr | August 30, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Nisbleib your "liberals" at MSNBC are saying 500,000 people showed up.

Posted by: xcef2008 | August 30, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Before you write an entire article about how many people were (or weren't) at Beck's rally, maybe you should get your facts straight. You chose CBS's number, which was unbelievably lower than ANY other media outlet. Your agenda is clear, but I hope it doesn't fool anyone.

Posted by: hannah16 | August 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Hi Adam, and welcome to the Plum Line. It should be an interesting week.

I didn't watch the rally or whatever they're calling it but I did post something yesterday that I thought was interesting. It was written prior to Saturday and sort of predicted the direction Beck is going.

I also thought Palin's comments regarding being the mother of a vet and being somehow unapologetic for it were interesting. It's a theme we all recognize, conservatives seem to believe they have the market on God and Country. I guess you'd have to ask the families of all the liberal vets and lost soldiers how they feel about that. And I didn't know that conservatives own religion or God.

This weekend East Coast, next weekend West Coast. It would be nice if they came up with some new material, but I guess you gotta stick with what has worked in the past. This post was written prior to Beck's revival meeting, gosh who could have predicted this turn of events.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Christian Right has often sought to stay the hand of God, angry with our failings as a nation, by ‘standing in the gap’ at large prayer rallies and pleading for mercy. They have made a special point of doing so in the run up to national elections since 1980, praying for godly government and righteous candidates, and this year is no exception. The beneficiaries are almost always Republicans and this year is probably no exception in that regard as well. But there is also an ominous element that mostly transcends parties and is on vivid display as we enter the fall campaign season.

On Labor Day weekend, Lou Engle, head of the fiery neo-Pentecostal group, The Call, is leading a worship service in a sports arena in Sacramento, California and a "solemn assembly" at the state Capitol the next day.

Before we discuss these, there is one additionally remarkable aspect of this. The eminence grise of this initiative appears to be former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, whose organization Renewing American Leadership (ReAL) is apparently the force behind a series of Christian Right events being organized under the rubric of "Pray & Act." This is politically important, but as Gingrich’s role becomes more public, it may also become morally dissonant, since Gingrich is well known (and has been recently highlighted in the news) as a thrice-married serial philanderer. This certainly makes him an unlikely guide for a religious political movement whose leaders believe that the fate of America hinges on the health of heterosexual marriage. (His recent conversion to Catholicism not withstanding.)

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/27/896863/-When-Politics-Means-the-End-of-the-World-%28as-we-know-it%29

Posted by: lmsinca | August 30, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I have been to events in this area. You Adam are a liar of the worst type, and a trash reporter who lets his liberal agenda show. Maybe, after the coming election, you will find your true talents as a circus clown! Sorry if I have offended any clowns out there. By the way, please cancel my subscription!

Posted by: fneat | August 30, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Been to lots of rallies. Crowd counts are entirely bogus, always. If MSM likes you that day, they give you huge numbers. If not, you weren't there. I've seen five thousandish crowds called 50 thousandish and 1 millionish crowds not reported.

Serious people should stop paying any attention to crowd numbers. Real organizing as a result of rallies, sure. But the body count, ferget it.

Posted by: janinsanfran | August 30, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

LOL at that ridiculously low estimate. Whatever intern wrote this pathetically transparent attempt to shoo Beck's rally and its importance under the rug has a future only in writing press releases, not investigative reporting. Any photo of the rally makes it clear that it was a very impressive (and entirely peaceful) turnout by far more than 87,000 people. CBS should ask for its money back. That's just pathetic.

Posted by: WashingtonDame | August 30, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"Even MSNBC is saying that Glenn Beck rally got 500,000 people or MORE. "

Link please. The report I saw this morning just said that estimates ranged from "87,000 to over 300,000".

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck, A Mormon

Quitter Palin, A Protegy Of An African Witch Doctor;

John Hagey, A Christian Hate Monger, who's endorsement John McCain had to reject:

They all showed up; to sing the praises Of Jesus Christ, Prince Of Peace, and praise the wonders that Wars have to offer.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

"a respectably large 87,000, larger than the official estimates of turnout last year's 9/12 rally but no where near the estimated 1.8 million that attended Obama's inauguration."

Even if Beck did get 500,000 to show up, it would be nowhere near 1. 8 million. Hmm.

The inauguration of America's first African American president who, at the time of his election, was enjoying nationwide popularity had more people attending than Glenn Beck's Personal Promotion Picnic--I mean, honor restoring rally. Who woulda thunk it. ;)

I suspect the 87k figure is way low (keeping in mind that, in a confined area of any kind, 87 is a lot of people--I recently attended an inservice with 5000 people, and it could have been five times that many as far as how it subjectively felt). However, even if Glen Beck got 500,000 people to show up, that doesn't mean all that much. I've already read in different places the comments of several liberals in attendance--so a percentage of that number would have to be people who oppose Beck, people who were beck-curious, people who wanted to see if anything was given away for free, people who wanted to see Palin, tourists who thought they were just going to see the Lincoln Memorial . . . while I'm not in disagreement with much of what Beck has advocated (as I understand it), I'm not sure a self-promoting conspiracy theorist with a penchant for teary-eyed melodrama is the best spokesperson for a movement. :)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow! you guys are as delusional as I remember. I thought I'd take another look then remembered why I left. No wonder they call this the Washington Com-Post.... Just because you say the size was 87K doesn't mean it is do.... really, you can comment on reality, comments don't make reality...

Posted by: trmax1 | August 30, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

jeez people. go to Glennbeck.com and look at the photos. We are talking half a million at LEAST. You really should do your research before writing bogus 'reporting'.

Posted by: Loripol100 | August 30, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Welcome Adam. If you're reading these comments, you should know that about 70% of the posts so far are by first time posters. They got redirected to the site by a right wing propaganda machine. They'll call you a liar and a communist and you might as well just ignore them, since the majority of them have zero interest in any honest political debate.

Posted by: SDJeff | August 30, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Welcome, Adam. And long-distance travel is easier for many passengers today--some cheap airline flights, comfortable air-conditioned buses, even some trains still running! And many of those attending the original 1963 March had to worry about the routes they would travel, who would harass them, who would deny them emergency room treatment (as happened to my mother-in-law) in case of an accident, etc.

In the comments this dispute over numbers at the Beck rally is funny but entirely predictable--my number is bigger than yours, no mine is, mine is!!!!

Posted by: nancycadet | August 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I consider Mr. Beck's rally impressive, all right – impressive in its displays of false patriotism, hypocritical religiosity and lightly veiled threats to the Constitution of the United States.

Doesn't Mr. Beck remind anyone else of Elmer Gantry:

"But for all that, would his congregation believe him?

If they jeered when he faced them, he would be ruined, he would
still lose the Yorkville pastorate and the Napap. Thus he fretted
in the quarter-hour before morning service, pacing his study and
noting through the window--for once, without satisfaction--that
hundreds on hundreds were trying to get into the crammed
auditorium.

His study was so quiet. How he missed Hettie's presence!

He knelt. He did not so much pray as yearn inarticulately. But
this came out clearly: "I've learned my lesson. I'll never look
at a girl again. I'm going to be the head of all the moral
agencies in the country--nothing can stop me, now I've got the
Napap!--but I'm going to be all the things I want other folks to
be! Never again!"

He stood at his study door, watching the robed choir filing out to
the auditorium chanting. He realized how he had come to love the
details of his church; how, if his people betrayed him now, he
would miss it: the choir, the pulpit, the singing, the adoring
faces.

It had come. He could not put it off. He had to face them.

Feebly the Reverend Dr. Gantry wavered through the door to the
auditorium and exposed himself to twenty-five hundred question
marks.

They rose and cheered--cheered--cheered. Theirs were the shining
faces of friends.

Without planning it, Elmer knelt on the platform, holding his hands
out to them, sobbing, and with him they all knelt and sobbed and
prayed, while outside the locked glass door of the church, seeing
the mob kneel within, hundreds knelt on the steps of the church, on
the sidewalk, all down the block.

"Oh, my friends!" cried Elmer, "do you believe in my innocence, in
the fiendishness of my accusers? Reassure me with a hallelujah!"

The church thundered with the triumphant hallelujah, and in a
sacred silence Elmer prayed:

"O Lord, thou hast stooped from thy mighty throne and rescued thy
servant from the assault of the mercenaries of Satan! Mostly we
thank thee because thus we can go on doing thy work, and thine alone! Not less but more zealously shall we seek utter purity and the prayer-life, and rejoice in freedom from all temptations!"

He turned to include the choir, and for the first time he saw that there was a new singer, a girl with charming ankles and lively eyes, with whom he would certainly have to become well acquainted. But the thought was so swift that it did not interrupt the pæan of his prayer:

"Let me count this day, Lord, as the beginning of a new and more vigorous life, as the beginning of a crusade for complete morality and the domination of the Christian church through all the land. Dear Lord, thy work is but begun! We shall yet make these United States a moral nation!"

Posted by: bloommarko4 | August 30, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

It does not make any difference what size the crowd was. The guy has a national TV show, so he was able to promote the hell out of it, day after day, for several months. Of course a good number of those who follow him, as their cult leader, were going to show up.

The question is; what did he deliver for them, after the went to all the trouble of traveling to D.C.

All I heard was a lot of stuff they could have heard in their own local churches.

Beck did tell them, that they all have to get right with God.

Wasn't that a condemnation of all of them, and also a claim that all their local clergy were useless, and had actually not done their jobs?

Glenn Beck, renowned Mormon, delivering the masses to Jesus Christ.

Truly we do live in miraculous times.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

87,000 or eleventy billion, does it really matter? The fact that almost 60 million people thought it was a good idea to put Caribou Barbie one 72-yr old heartbeat away from the presidency pretty much proves that there are a lot of foolish people in this country.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

"As I read the accounts of Glenn Beck's rally, its large crowds, and its message of redemption, I see that even some of the most intelligent libertarians are seduced by the television and radio host's popularity, and what he has done for Hayek sales. This despite the dubious information he puts out and the creepy, hard to miss warning signals he keeps giving everyone.

These apologists should be reminded that meaningful political change takes a long time to happen, that Mr. Beck has spent a career reinventing himself whenever it suited his advancement, and that it's rather risky to hitch the libertarian wagon to a mercurial entertainer with a penchant for radically changing his beliefs and a willingness to sucker his biggest fans...."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/fools-gold.html

Posted by: akaoddjob | August 30, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! I was at the rally. Washington DC ought to be ashamed the way they slowed down and even closed the rail system. It did not dampen the spirit of us who continue to pray for our leaders and America. God continue to bless and protect not only those like Beck, but those who adhere to the God given rights and blessings He lavishes on those who are humbly obedient to His Word. The very thing our forefathers set our government on! I cannot imagine the look on those when Christ returns! Will it be fear, or excitement! Please TRY to report the truth, not your opinions!

Posted by: bbarth1 | August 30, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Please TRY to report the truth, not your opinions!"

Ummm...you do realize you're in the OPINION section, right?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Christ was executed and buried two thousand years ago. He is long dead and decomposed. That is what happens to humans, when their corpses are buried.
Get over it.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Mr Sewer, you are incorrect. The 1963 Marc of MLK's was financed by the CPUSA . (Communist Party USA)
Also, the 87000 souls there were counted by the media that despises them-

I guess freedom of speech is only for democratic party hacks-

David Blumenthal

Posted by: dblument | August 30, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I think its a pretty safe bet that Post writers were given homework writing assignment to skewer Glen Beck's rally. I don't know what the actual attendance was, but I do know that pictures speak a thousand words, and pictures show there were a lot--I mean, a lot of people there. Don't believe me, find some of the pictures--the mall from the Lincoln Memorial to the WWII memorial were packed. I don't know, how many is that? A lot. Dana Milbank went after Glen Beck in his Sunday column. If that's what you write about Glen Beck, then what words are reserved for Al Sharpton. It is truly sad that the black community has Al Sharpton as a face for their issues. He is a charlatan, race hustler, just all around slimy character, yet Dana Milbank reserves the attack for Glen Beck's rally. Oh, and then Eugene Robinson is a special case all his own. They just do not get it--do not get it.

Posted by: Husker78 | August 30, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Adam,

You just don't get it, and clearly, you aren't even trying to get it. Come on man, as a journalist, at least have a little pride and attempt to be accurate. (Hint, if your facts are accurate, people will be more likely to agree with your opinions or at least take them seriously.)

Posted by: jeff88 | August 30, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If you had taken the time to look at photos of the 1963 march, you would have seen that it was about the same size as Beck's rally. I do not like Beck, but see no reason to deceive myself -- or others.

Posted by: androcles | August 30, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I watched part of the rally on CSPAN and I've seen the aerial shots...the Restoring Honor rally filled the space surrounding the reflecting pool...the same area MLK filled and those estimates were 200,000. Then the lawn area to the side was filled...at least another 100,000 to 200,000 I would guesstimate. The low-ballers are indeed delusional and probably feel that if they low-ball the count enough times it will become true.
You may not like Beck's message...but a lot of people do...people who believe that honor and faith are the cornerstones of the foundation of this nation. Call it "revival" or "rally" or "hijacking of 08/28" the fact remains that there are lots of Americans who feel that our leaders have lost their way and so the need to rally is essential. So what you don't like the messenger...the fact remains that Beck has tapped into populous that is sick and tired of the direction this nation is traveling and so they look to find answers. The answers are found in the words and beliefs of our founders and Beck happens to be bringing that to light...because certainly we can't depend on our educators to do that...at least not in the detail required to REALLY understand.
Those that don't want to believe that Beck and the Restoring Honor Rally could draw 300,000 or more are denying the obvious, Americans are fed up!

Posted by: dmsm0000 | August 30, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

How Glenn Beck Described himself:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?_r=1

"He says that America is “on the road to socialism” and that “God and religion are under attack in the U.S.” He recently wondered aloud whether FEMA was setting up concentration camps, calling it a rumor that he was unable to debunk.

At the same time, though, he says he is an entertainer. “I’m a rodeo clown,” he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” "

"When it was suggested in an interview that he sometimes sounds like a preacher, he responded, “No. You’ve never met a more flawed guy than me.”

He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’ ”

..................

There you have it Beckerheads:

He says he is a "Rodeo Clown", so that is who you are taking your guidance from.

He also said, that if you believe what he says, then you are an Idiot.

Looks like a lot of you fit that description. You believe what Glenn Beck tells you, and he said; that makes you "idiots"

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

This article kills me.... whether you agree with Glenn Beck's views or not - you cannot deny the impressive turn-out of people who were peacefully gathered, without political signs at his rally. 87,000 is no where close to the amount of people who were there.... the photos I saw look more like in the hundreds of thousands. Americans should be able to disagree and discuss - your condescension and dismissal of the views of a very large portion of Americans is sad. At least be honest if you are going to write and print an article.

Posted by: waterfalls08 | August 30, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"The 1963 Marc of MLK's was financed by the CPUSA"

And you're a big fat liar.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

the reflecting pool is approximately 2,029 feet (618 m) long and 167 feet (51 m) wide.

Given 4 sqft per person, about 84 thousand will fit in reflecting pool. Many more than that attended. (Beck said 200 thousand will fit in pool, but that only gives each person just over one foot to stand in, and is unrealistic.)

Posted by: coffee247 | August 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

@akaoddjob: "This despite the dubious information he puts out and the creepy, hard to miss warning signals he keeps giving everyone."

While that same warning should be heeded in regard to Andrew Sullivan (perhaps he's projecting?), I gotta agree. Much of Beck's public persona is made-up of red flags that would have me making sure to keep my distance with such a fellow in day-to-day life.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

As someone who attended the rally from start to finish, I am appalled at the low estimates coming from the news stations, who are supposed to tell the truth to the nation. It's obvious more than the paltry 87000 were in attendance, and it shocks me to have overheard a conversation at the press sign in tent where I overheard members of the press trying to agree on a number of attendees, all saying "tens of thousands" so their respective news outlets matched up with numbers. Have some dignity and honor, and report the news unbiased and fairly. There was a LEAST a quarter million people there, just look at photos. I for one am ashamed of the press, and the low moral standards they have.

Posted by: Dan08527 | August 30, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Americans are fed up!"

Let's say there were 300K people at Beck's rally.

That means .001 % of Americans are fed up.

The 25 percenters really know how everybody feels, when Jesus is coming, and how to scientifically estimate crowds. Could you please cure cancer while you're on this amazing run?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: BGinCHI | August 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Communist Party Of The USA was all powerful. They also financed the Apollo Moon Landing missions, the Launching of Communication Satellites, and fully funded the Art Linkletter conspiracy to convince us that Kids says the darnest things.

The American Communist Party: they were the puppet masters that pulled all of America's strings.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Jesus Christ was a communist. Doesn't that make America anti-Christian?

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I would estimate the crowd at about 250 thousand. I was there. See earlier post.

Posted by: coffee247 | August 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

@schrodingers cat:

"'The 1963 Marc of MLK's was financed by the CPUSA' -- And you're a big fat liar.

The 1963 March was organized on Bayard Rustin, who had "former" ties to the Communist Party, USA. That's not exactly "Financed by the CPUSA".

However, saying the Communist Party financed the 1963 march is about as accurate, or fair, as saying Glenn Beck is the leader of a movement dedicated to maintaing huge tax breaks for white people making over $250k a year.

Which just goes to prove, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

All the liberals will cling to the CBS estimation of 87,000,000. They probably took that count too early or too late to capture the maximum. The CBS number is the rock bottom, lowest count out there.

Other estimations run up to 500,000. The actual number will never be known but is probably somewhere in between the high and low.

That would be between 200,000 and 300,000. An astounding number when you know that the sort of people Beck attracts normally never go to protest rallies to make spectacles of themselves.

They are everyday Americans with jobs, family, and lives to take care of. You saw the tip of the iceberg at the mall.

The rest of it stayed home.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 30, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Mr Sargent,
This type of reporting is why the Washington Post is losing readership by the droves. You are a simple angry man, with a one sided view of the world. As a so called reporter, a little research goes a long way.

Posted by: twillis1 | August 30, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Jesus Christ was A Jew. That made him a Non-Christian. Such a paradox, or as the ould German fellow in Rome might put it; A Divine Mystery.(Which is just another way of saying Bull Shite)

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Sell your possessions and give to those in need. This will store up treasure for you in heaven!"

I don't know about a communist, wbgonne, but he sure sounds like a da*n hippie.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

To SDJEff,

Your post Jeff, "Welcome Adam. If you're reading these comments, you should know that about 70% of the posts so far are by first time posters. They got redirected to the site by a right wing propaganda machine. They'll call you a liar and a communist and you might as well just ignore them, since the majority of them have zero interest in any honest political debate."

Yes, I'm a first timer and I was sent here via the right-wing-propaganda machine called "Google" as this was the first headline that popped up when I searched the news section for the Glenn Beck rally.

Jeff, how can you, with a straight face, talk about people having zero interest in serious political debate in the comments section of a clearly dishonest political hatchet job? Granted, Adam's is an opinion piece, but the facts he uses are so clearly, obviously wrong that Adam is clearly the one not interested in serious political debates. Serious debates involve respecting the other sides opinions, even though you may dissagree.

Clearly there were more than 87k. Just looking at the photos, there were clearly closer to 500k. And while clearly MLK's speach was infinitely more significant than Glenn's rally, the 200k that attended (as stated by the author) would be about half the number of those attending this one. Again, I'm not trying to downplay MLK at any level, I'm just trying to illustrate how cleary, and intentionally, incorrect that fact section of this opinion piece is.

Posted by: jeff88 | August 30, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The crowd could have easily filled the reflecting pool three times, and probably several times beyond that. At my estimated 84 thousand person capacity for the pool, that puts the crowd at over 1/4 million.

Posted by: coffee247 | August 30, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I always find it amusing to see liberal groups estimate the attendance at conservative events.

I mean even this article, comparing a presidental innigration to a rally.

Have you ever seen anyone compare a pro-choice rally or a health care reform rally, or an amnesty for illegal immigrants rally, to a presidental innugration?

When a liberal sits down to write an article like this, the focus is "how do I make this event look small".

It has nothing to do with reporting, it has to do with the politics of the "journalist".

Posted by: heathergreeneyes | August 30, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"Mr Sargent,
This type of reporting is why the Washington Post is losing readership by the droves. You are a simple angry man, with a one sided view of the world. As a so called reporter, a little research goes a long way. "

So does reading the byline.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which stretched from in front of the Lincoln Memorial along the Reflecting Pool to the Washington Monument. Beck and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at the rally.


Beck, who predicted that at least 100,000 people would show up, opened his comments with a joke: "I have just gotten word from the media that there is over 1,000 people here today."


The area around the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool in Washington during a rally organized by conservative commentator Glenn Beck is seen in this aerial picture taken Aug. 28, 2010.
(Credit: AirPhotosLIVE.com) AirPhotosLive.com gave its estimate a margin of error of 9,000, meaning between 78,000 and 96,000 people attended the rally. The photos used to make the estimate were taken at noon Saturday, which is when the company estimated was the rally's high point.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"All the liberals will cling to the CBS estimation of 87,000,000."

Wow...87 million? That is a lot. I can't imagine how packed the trains must've been.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I always like it, when some guy gives an estimate of the crowd size, because he says he was there.

A person in the middle of throng, is in no position to evaluate the size of the throng. All he can see is those people in a cluster around him.

Cattle can not count the size of their herd.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

To SDJEff,

Your post Jeff, "Welcome Adam. If you're reading these comments, you should know that about 70% of the posts so far are by first time posters. They got redirected to the site by a right wing propaganda machine. They'll call you a liar and a communist and you might as well just ignore them, since the majority of them have zero interest in any honest political debate."

Yes, I'm a first timer and I was sent here via the right-wing-propaganda machine called "Google" as this was the first headline that popped up when I searched the news section for the Glenn Beck rally.

Jeff, how can you, with a straight face, talk about people having zero interest in serious political debate in the comments section of a clearly dishonest political hatchet job? Granted, Adam's is an opinion piece, but the facts he uses are so clearly, obviously wrong that Adam is clearly the one not interested in serious political debates. Serious debates involve respecting the other sides opinions, even though you may dissagree.

Clearly there were more than 87k. Just looking at the photos, there were clearly closer to 500k. And while clearly MLK's speach was infinitely more significant than Glenn's rally, the 200k that attended (as stated by the author) would be about half the number of those attending this one. Again, I'm not trying to downplay MLK at any level, I'm just trying to illustrate how cleary, and intentionally, incorrect that fact section of this opinion piece is.

Posted by: jeff88 | August 30, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

NOTHING NEW, NOTHING CHANGES:
The Godless left in this country have sucked as much life as they possible can from everything good in America. They put down anyone who is a good person and thrive on drugs and pronography. Glen Beck gets his own life turned around and tries to help other Americans find their way to a happier life and satan and all his followers do all in their power to bring good people down to their level. The news media like most lawyers have lost the trust of decent people and when it's all said and done...the good people will still be standing for what's right and good about America. Newspapers can't hold subscriptions and when the internet is brought down they will be too. Just stand back and watch. People who don't stand for anything, fall for everything including socialism and communism.

Posted by: ettaboehme | August 30, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I am a democrat who attended this rally, by far this rally had way more than 87,000. NY Times, NBC and ABC have all said 300,000 or more. The Metro stations should have counters, and should be able to show how many passes were sold for Saturday. The metro count does not include the people who rode a bus in, drove or flew in and taxied over. CBS has proven that they are not a reliable source for the news and so has the author of this blog.

Posted by: GraceSullivan | August 30, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Can The Left please just ignore Glenn Beck? Why give him ammunition? Whatever he does, it ends up NOT MATTERING WORTH A LICK. Let's please stop feeling threatened by this guy and just let him do his thing. All idiots like Beck soon pass. No one will remember Restoring Honor even happened by the end of this week. Next.

Posted by: motogp46 | August 30, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

@wbgonne: "Jesus Christ was a communist. Doesn't that make America anti-Christian?"

Jesus Christ was not a communist. First, communism as a political philosophy did not exist at the time. Second, Christ never agitated for government intervention by the state for redistribution of wealth (that was God's job, who might strike you dead for tithing to little to the church). Third, Jesus said, regarding taxation, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's!" This is often considered to be an admonition not to conflate spirituality (from when charity springs, and Godly justic) with governmental or legal authority, which rules by force rather than moral law.

In any case, it's a stretch to characterize Christ as a Communist based on an objective reading the gospels. He also wasn't a big fan of materialism or wealth, either. But he was generally pretty clear that it was the individual who had to account for his spirituality, or lack thereof, before God, as an individual. He did not advocate for charity and spirituality to be the product of compulsion by a secular authority.

Of course, this analysis doesn't include anything Christ said to the Native Americans. I'll leave a deeper discussion of that to the Mormons.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I think anyone who has a rally that has more attendees than the news media has as readers or watchers it will get negative press. That is why the media is continuing to shrink. Maybe if you tried honest, unbiased reporting you would be more successful. Through a mention of GOD and the news media goes bonkers (unless it is Allah)

Posted by: Rollo2 | August 30, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"However, saying the Communist Party financed the 1963 march is about as accurate, or fair, as saying Glenn Beck is the leader of a movement dedicated to maintaing huge tax breaks for white people making over $250k a year."

Huh? Are you trying to equate Rustin and Beck?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Was Adam Serwer a member of journ-O-list?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 30, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Jesus said, regarding taxation, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's!" "

Jesus Christ was a communist AND a tax-and-spend liberal!

Good grief. Beckheads are exploding all around the galaxy.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

A) Who cares?

B) Yes, the people that are paid to estimate these things (crowd numbers) are obviously part of a conspiracy, just like all the world's climate scientist are part of a conspiracy to pump up global climate change. Remember, according to rightwingers you can't trust smart people, and scientists are the worst!

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

@ettaboehme: "The Godless left in this country have sucked as much life as they possible can from everything good in America. They put down anyone who is a good person and thrive on drugs and pronography"

Pronography, eh? What's that? The professional graphing of "no"?

Not that I should feed trolls, but there are plenty of liberal Christians. Do you really believe a monolithic "left" (a singular monster, like Godzilla, rather than a collection of different, unique people) is responsible for intentionally getting rid of "every" good thing in America? And that every liberal "thrives" on drugs and pornography? Really?

No other explanation could occur to you, maybe? One without such paper thin cliches of good guys and bad guys?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck ended all that Godlessness in America, on Saturday. The entire nation has now been Converted to Christianity, except Glenn Beck, who converted from Christianity to Mormonism, several years ago. Truly Jesus does move in mysterious ways; and A Mormon shall lead us all back to Christ.

I have been unable to debunk the rumor, that after the rally ended, on Saturday, Glenn Beck, renowned Mormon, fed The Multitude, from just a single basket of loaves and fish tales.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"They put down anyone who is a good person and thrive on drugs and pronography."

Can someone please let me know where I can find some of this pronography? Is it available on the internets?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

@schrodinger: "Huh? Are you trying to equate Rustin and Beck?"

No, I'm saying Beck is leading a movement to protect rich white people is as objectively accurate as saying the CPUSA financed Martin Luther King, Jr.

I'm sure there are similarities between Rustin and Beck, but no good one's occur to me at the moment. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Joe Scarborough said there were like eleventy-billion there.

I'm going with Joe's estimates.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"it's a stretch to characterize Christ as a Communist based on an objective reading the gospels. He also wasn't a big fan of materialism or wealth, either. But he was generally pretty clear that it was the individual who had to account for his spirituality, or lack thereof, before God, as an individual. He did not advocate for charity and spirituality to be the product of compulsion by a secular authority."

It is far more of a stretch to hijack Jesus and use his message as a prop to feed a demagogic frenzy of unbridled greed and unfettered self-interest. Yet here we are ...

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Glenn Beck's rally makes a huge statement. Most hard-working, taxpaying Most Americans who pay taxes and/or own businesses are Rightfully Concerned about the direction of this country.
Between ObamaCare being shoved down their throats, and the possibility of tax increases for middle class and businesses,
the future is very uncertain for this country. The U.S. already has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world.
Obama is decidedly Not a leader; he's sending mixed messages because he doesn't know what he believes in, he's just a front-man for the left-wing radicals, for Pelosi.
You can't demonize and bash business for 18 months and then "pretend" that you're going to create jobs!
You can tell what a person is really focused on-- by where they spend their time and their money.
Obama wasted over a year on Obamacare which is a complete failure--doesn't reduce healthcare costs.
Obama spent most of the stimulus money on
Entitlements, and giving more money to States so they can pay the ridiculous union
benefits and pension plans...and keeping his fat-cat union bosses happy.
Obama took approx. 6 vacations, too.....

Posted by: ohioan | August 30, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"They put down anyone who is a good person and thrive on drugs and pronography."

You mean Drugs and Pornography is not the Breakfast of Champions!? I have been grievously misinformed.

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Pornography? A Fox News blabbering head?

Are we talking about Bill O'Reilly or Glenn Beck?

Because, oddly enough, it has just come to light that Bill'O got his start reviewing porn:


But the one that really caught our eye was a piece in which O’Reilly watches the classic porno The Devil in Miss Jones and immediately thereafter goes out for sandwiches with the film’s director, Gerard Damiano. As totally awesome as that is, it gets even better. While discussing Damiano’s involvement in the legendary skin flick, Deep Throat, O’Reilly writes this: "In an interview with Linda Lovelace last November, the performer told me that she was an afterthought for the lead in Deep Throat."

Whoa. Whoa. Hold it right there Mr. Family Values. So that’s not one, but two stories in which O’Reilly interviews personalities in the adult film industry. I guess ol’ Bill isn’t lying when he says that he started out doing hard journalism (Zing!)

Read more: http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/phlog/archive/2010/08/26/bill-o-reilly-in-the-phoenix-on-porn.aspx#ixzz0y6GCDTia

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I like what Howard Dean said of one attendees conclusion of what Beck was doing.

They said they think Beck is running for God.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

It's patently obvious that the 87 K number is correct. Arial photos show grouping in the centers, and sparseness on the outedge.
arial photo's of the crowd of 200K from a few years ago show the same empty areas packed with people.

It's interesting that the conservatives wish to reject the computer counted estimates, and accept the self counted numbers.

Yet they screamed about the million black man march counting their own numbers

Posted by: newagent99 | August 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

* War and peace: Obama nears pivotal Mideast moment *

On Tuesday night, Obama will tell the nation from the Oval Office that the U.S. role in Iraq has changed for good, with the remaining U.S. troops to play a supporting role to Iraqi forces. It will be a milestone with no celebration or banners in a still unresolved war, one that wages on years longer and at greater cost than most Americans ever imagined.

The next day, Obama will make his largest investment of political capital to date in the trying Mideast peace process. He will welcome Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for individual talks and a joint dinner, the prelude to direct negotiations between the leaders on Thursday with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton as host.

Put together, the events amount to what the White House considers to be the capping of Obama's initial phase of foreign policy in the region and the starting of another. Officials see a picture in which Iraq is taking on self-reliance, the Mideast process is showing life, the international sanctions against Iran are taking hold and the added military muscle Obama ordered in Afghanistan is in place. All are considered progress toward solutions requiring deep patience.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-08-30-07-22-08

President Obama is doing the tough work of running the country while Republican Tea Bagger idiots whine that they don't get enough attention. It is sad that they want the entire country to be like them. It is sad that they want the entire country to bow down to their Christian God. It is sad that they want to force women who have been raped to bear their rapists babies. It is sad that they see governing a country like running a church. It is just pathetic that these people cannot distinguish between real life and fantasy.

Thank God for President Obama.

Thank God for Democratic Leadership.

Thank God we are done with the INSANE IRAQ WAR.

Thank God we have a partner of peace in the White House.

Thank God Democrats are on the right side of history on every single issue.

America has a strong future if the Christofascist enemies of the United States can be defeated.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Exactly, motogp46, if Beck and Palin are as irrelevant as the lamestream media contend, why do they continue to write about them?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Mr Sargent,
This type of reporting is why the Washington Post is losing readership by the droves. You are a simple angry man, with a one sided view of the world. As a so called reporter, a little research goes a long way.
_________________________

This is a blog. The writer is not Mr. Sargent. Neither Mr. Sargent nor Mr. Serwer are reporters, "so called" or otherwise.

"Simple angry man", I must admit, does have a certain ring to it; there's someone who seems to fit that bill. Who was it again? Ryhmes with zen heck...

Posted by: lostinthemiddle | August 30, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"They put down anyone who is a good person and thrive on drugs and pronography."

Can someone please let me know where I can find some of this pronography? Is it available on the internets?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 10:30 AM |
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What I am looking for is that "good person who thrives on drugs and pronography".

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Forget the unemployment rate. The polls look like they do because of regression to the mean.

Posted by: benintn | August 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

wbgonne

When "Jesus said, regarding taxation, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's!" ", he meant obey the law. He did not mean that we should rely upon the government to take care of us. I doubt that Jesus would say that by paying my taxes, I have been charitable toward my neighbor. Charity is a personal virtue, and is not so noble when it is only given under force of law.

Posted by: coffee247 | August 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

At what point do you think Beck is going to insist everyone who follows him convert over to Mormonism?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I was there from (corrupt) Illinois and that estimate of 87K is beyond ridiculous!!!!! MSNBC count of 500,000 is definitely more accurate for sure.

We stood for 2 hours at the Shady Grove Metro just to get tickets!!!! The line stretched back at leat 1/4 of a mile!!

There wasn't a 2x2 area of grass left to sit a chair on by the time we got there all the way from beside the Lincoln Memorial way past 17th Avenue and stretched WAY past both sides of the Reflecting Pool to the grassy areas on the sides. The Reflecting Pool alone holds 200,000 people.

We stood shoulder to shoulder for 3 hours just in view of one of the jumbo trons and you literally could not move.

87,000..........WHAT A JOKE!!!!!

Posted by: sweetbees | August 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

@jeff88: "Jeff, how can you, with a straight face, talk about people having zero interest in serious political debate in the comments section of a clearly dishonest political hatchet job?"

I don't think that's a fair characterization of the post. It also almost proves the point: an honest, debating response would refute some points in some sort of logical fashion.

"Granted, Adam's is an opinion piece, but the facts he uses are so clearly, obviously wrong"

Again, they must not be "clearly, obviously" wrong, or else he probably would have avoided them. Saying something is "clearly, obviously, totally, completely, without doubt, utterly wrong" is not a refutation, or an earnest engagement in good faith debating.

"that Adam is clearly the one not interested in serious political debates."

Well prove that by trying to debate him, again and again, rather than just announcing your conclusion, based on your powers of mind-reading?

"Serious debates involve respecting the other sides opinions, even though you may dissagree."

I tend to agree, but sometimes it involves earning that respect by trying to engage in a higher level of debate than you feel those that disagree with you are. Or, ask for clarification--makes sure that you really understand it as well as you think you do. Etc.

As to what SDJeff said, a lot of these people are first time posters that aren't going to stick around, and are barely mentioning anything in the blog post. Some stuff almost seems like astroturf. I happen to agree that, rather than being sent by right wing blogs (which is rarely the case--irked regular commenters sometimes refer to the fact that someone at NRO referenced a post with a link, which is standard Internet-blogging protocol, as being tantamount to an incitement to send wingnuts over to astroturf) it's a form of natural trolling. Random folks feel the need to point a finger or complain about their victimhood, so they find a blog to vent on, and then disappear. It's a phenomenon that occurs on all sides of the political spectrum. The only place I don't see it is in forums where people have to pay even a modest amount of money to participate in the comments section.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

nisleib and newagent99, did you also believe CBS re: forged Bush TANG records?

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 30, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Did Glenn Beck wear his Magical Mormon underwear, on Saturday, while he was talking up Christianity?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

@clawrence: "if Beck and Palin are as irrelevant as the lamestream media contend, why do they continue to write about them?"

That's a good question. I like Palin, don't care much for Beck, really, but, good golly, the Beck/Palin saturation of mainstream media gets a little tedious.

Aren't there other stories out there? ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Nice posts Kevin.

Any thoughts on the foreign policy article I linked to above? Here is the URL again:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-08-30-07-22-08

Obama has a full slate of foreign policy issues starting with the Iraq speech tomorrow night (which I am looking forward to).

It will be difficult work (foreign policy usually is), but it looks like he has a string of potential political victories lined up.

Any comments on that piece Kevin (or anyone else)?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

All you Progressives crack me up!

Kind of remind me of the Black Knight from "Monty Python & the Holy Grail."

Arthur: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
Black Knight: 'Tis but a scratch.
Arthur: A scratch? Your arm's off!
Black Knight: No, it isn't.
Arthur: Well, what's that then?
Black Knight: I've had worse.

Posted by: pmendez | August 30, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

how many attended Al Sharpton's rally? How diverse was that crowd?

I guess the Post would prefer to ignore all that.

Posted by: silencedogoodreturns | August 30, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

FULL DISCLOSURE - I AM NOT A FAN OF GLENN BACK AND I THINK HE IS RIDICULOUS.

that being said... no offense bro, but you really sound quite silly here. leading up to this "event," i had not heard a single prognosticator predict that more than 100,000 people would attend this thing. In fact, most estimates I had heard leading up to it were anticipating between 75,000 and 95,000 people... which sounds like they hit the nail right on the head. The only comparisons i have seen that even mention the inauguration (which I attended) and the MLK speech were right here in your funny blog entry.

When the typical demonstration in DC draws a few dozen people, anything that draws 87,000 people can't rationally be considered "not a big deal." You embarrass yourself with your comments. Just sayin.

Posted by: bigfranky75 | August 30, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

@mikefromarlington: "At what point do you think Beck is going to insist everyone who follows him convert over to Mormonism?"

At the point at which it increases his ad revenue, or increase book sales. If it doesn't meet that two criteria, don't expect it to happen.

Beck knows which side his bread gets buttered on.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Whatever number of honest Americans show up of their own accord in a rally to get back the honor of America and all Adam from the Washington Post can write about is crowd size. Great story Adam. It was about as interesting and meaningful as reading the back of a cereal box. Way to blow the lid off this story. You have really taken liberal commentery to a new low. Keep up the good work! We conservatives will have the last laugh in November.

Posted by: dcgmail | August 30, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Liam-still, while it is difficult (but not impossible) to accurately estimate crowd size as part of the throng, if more than 87,000 truthfully post they attended, then Mr. Sewer's question is based on a false premise.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 30, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

All, official Fox estimate just came in.

Somewhere around ONE BILLION came to see Beck. People were lined up all the way across the 14th street bridge into VA to see him.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The reason why the media covers Palin so much, is because she is The Tea Party's Paris Hilton.

Just like Paris, Quitter makes Millions, of her celebrity, without holding a job.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Disputing the exact turnout seems silly. A lot of people were there. But what is a concern is wh, and how so many are being led by so little in terms of substance. If you want to see the Beck doctrine you need only read his followers’ comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck. They are completely blind to facts presented to them if they are contrary to their beliefs. It is scary to see the hold this charlatans has over them, and how vile they can be (though to be fair, some of the comments from the other side are pretty mean as well)

Posted by: dh1976 | August 30, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr Sargent, your agenda and bias are pathetic, transparent and extremely predictable. And how many showed up at Sharpton's rally 10 Million?

Posted by: GavinWythe | August 30, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

The reason why the media covers Palin so much, is because she is The Tea Party's Paris Hilton.

Just like Paris, Quitter makes Millions, of her celebrity, without holding a job.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Disputing the exact turnout seems silly. A lot of people were there. But what is a concern is why, and how so many are being led by so little in terms of substance. If you want to see the Beck doctrine you need only read his followers’ comments on this site http://wp.me/pNmlT-mI which is critical of Beck. They are completely blind to facts presented to them if they are contrary to their beliefs. It is scary to see the hold this charlatans has over them, and how vile they can be (though to be fair, some of the comments from the other side are pretty mean as well)

Posted by: dh1976 | August 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Turnout was low, on the order of magnitude of a Redskins game. I suspect that Beck expected that as well: e made no request for extra Metro service. There was no overwhelming number of buses either. And frankly the aerial pictures showed a sparse crowd outside of the immediate area around the pool.

So, something around 80000 sounds reasonable.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | August 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Mr Sargent, your agenda and bias are pathetic, transparent and extremely predictable. And how many showed up at Sharptons rally 10 Million?

Posted by: GavinWythe | August 30, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The Washington Post reported on Saturday that the metro system was overwhelmed and the authorities were allowing individuals to ride for free at six stations.

MSNBC is reporting 500,000 individuals attended the rally.

All news outlets report that the crowd was rational, orderly and polite. If there had been one outburst of uncivil activity it would of received a big play from the main-stream-media.

The main-stream-media attempted to play up the Sharpton rally and after they reported it contained approximately 3,000 individuals who mainly were SEIU members they ignored the remainder of the event.

The bottom line, as I see it, is the elected Democratic politicians are in bigger trouble come November than was previously thought and even though the media will go overboard in trying to stem the tide it is too late!

Posted by: mwhoke | August 30, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Now you can see why MOST americans don't watch the Tass news agencies like CBS,NBC,ABC,CNN.What are we going to believe them or our eyes ?

Posted by: votingrevolution | August 30, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Beck is simply an opinion pusher. He does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity and has no qualifications. But then, what can anyone expect from someone who can't find anything filthier than their own personal reflection. Since people like Beck cannot exist on the basis of any personal merits, they survive by puting others down with lies and half truths in order to feel good about themselves. The truth about Beck is that he a dry mormon alcoholic who never got the counseling required by alcoholics. He flippantly throws around Christian terms like "God", "Jesus", "Holy Spirit" as well as voices of other so called "Spirit Powers" on his radio talk show. Beck is a mormon in active standing with the mormon church and is not a Christian. Mormonism teaches many gods, that the god of the earth was once a man who attained godhood status and that Jesus Christ and Satan were brothers. Also, Beck is a dry alcoholic who like George Bush Jr, never got the professional help an alcoholic requires. Beck does not possess a single ounce of journalistic integrity which is why he is the perfect abortion poster child for Fox Network. The people who love what Beck says are no different than the impressionable sheep who loved every speech made by Adolph Hitler in his early years when he brought Germany into an era of economic prosperity. These same sheep (like the ones who listen to and believe the lies of Beck) also blindly followed Hitler into one of the darkest chapters of world history. Beck is the perfect abortion poster boy for Fox Network as they both cater to the same lowest common denominator of demagogery. The man would not know the first thing about God as he is a mormon. Someone should ask him which of the many mormon gods he kept talking about during his argument with himself on Saturday. Unfortunately, these teabaggers out there do not realize that Beck is talking about a different god than that of Christianity, Judaism or Islam.

Posted by: ridley | August 30, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that neither the MSM nor the current batch of Washington pols really understand Glenn Beck's appeal now anymore than they ever understood the Tea Party movement of last year.

Never fear, however. November 2nd is coming.

And so it goes...

Posted by: pgould1 | August 30, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Having attended this rally on 8/28 and reading all of the frenzied reaction by the liberal press, I can draw two conclusions. The press and media is attempting to distort and paint abstract pictures of what happened of which they are completely wrong. Secondly, as Rush Limbaugh often states, "liberals will always tell you exactly what scares them." simply put:
We attended a wonderful day glorifying our God, our country and our military heroes..... It was truly a great experience !
Please do not believe the garbage in the media.... It was peaceful, meaningful, and very spiritual. An event, we will long remember!

Posted by: theazlit | August 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

If the crowd was at least a quarter million or more, that will inhibit Republican candidates from trying to run more centrist campaigns, because they will be afraid of alienating the Extreme Right Wing Republicans, who keep trying to pass as "The Tea Party".

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Christian, but I was at the restoring honor rally on Saturday. I have been to Chicago Bears games at 67,000 fans and concerts at Soldier field (ie Rolling Stones) with 100,000 fans in the stadium. I know what 67,000 and 100,000 fans look like. There was no way there were only 87,000 people at this event. It was at least 200,000.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | August 30, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "Thank God we have a partner of peace in the White House."

Especially one that has no qualms about detonating Al Qaeda leaders with drones. No muss, no fuss, no Mirandizing, just *boom*. And Obama has now gone longer without a terrorist attack on the Homeland than Bush did by almost a year. :)

"Thank God Democrats are on the right side of history on every single issue."

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree there. I don't think anyone is right on every issue, I don't think large groups of people are capable of being right on every issue, but I expect the folks (which include Republicans, BTW) who think pre-emptive wars based on what potential enemies might do sometime in the future are a bad idea . . . I expect that those folks are, indeed, on the right side of history.

"America has a strong future if the Christofascist enemies of the United States can be defeated."

I do take exception to that. I don't think Christians are our enemies. Lots of Christians, and lots of churches, and even entire denominations (Episcopalians, anybody) are pretty darn liberal. So, even if you assume a conservative religious bent is equal to fascism (I do not), I don't think Christians are a threat to the United States. I think Chrisofascist, as a term, is like Obamunists or "Liberal Fascists"--i.e., evocative, but without substance.

That being said, your link will not load for me. But, on the whole, I haven't had a problem with Obama's foreign policy (especially that "blowing up terrorists" part of it), so here I part with much of my conservative brethren who believe he is handing over the country on a silver platter to our enemies. I disagree, but my overall opinion of Obama has been largely positive, even if I disagree with some of his initiatives.

BTW, Obama is a Christian. As such, is he also a "Christofascist"? Or are the Christofascists only the Christians who also vote Republican? ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"...MSNBC is reporting 500,000"

People keep saying that, but none of them provide a link.

It seems likely that they are making this up.

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

For all those reading these comments- one fact has gone right over your intellectual heads-

There are plenty of folks, like myself, who could not afford to go to this rally because of the recession and jobless economy. But our support was there!

And this was a rally to regain HONOR in our form of government- don't read it as political.

Posted by: coverkamp | August 30, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Whatever the numbers were, I'm not surprised that a clown like Beck could incite a circus full of idiots to listen to his drivel. Or be captivated by a quitter like Palin. Fools follow fools, because they don't know or can't figure out on their own where the cliffs are.

If this gathering were really for "restoring honor", perhaps Beck could look it up in a dictionary, because he knows not what the word means.

Posted by: COLEBRACKETT | August 30, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

beck`s ambitions are small. My sources at M.P.D. advise that 45,000 was actual count at the beck -o- rama. That the same number that Al Sharpton`s group had in attendance.
Stop lying beck. The truth ( which beck knows nothing about )should set the average person free. beck`s nose is growing by the day- he just cannot tell the truth.
Now add in the tourists and you might get to 125,000 on top of these 2 group counts.
Thank you.

Posted by: wts1574 | August 30, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

""...MSNBC is reporting 500,000"

People keep saying that, but none of them provide a link. It seems likely that they are making this up."

nisleib, 500k was the figure Joe Scarborough used this morning repeatedly. Where he got it was not clear, or I missed it.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

What the hell does "restoring honor" mean, and what specific blue prints did Beck, Quitter Palin, and John Hagey lay out for people, so that they know what steps to take, to "restore honor".

The bigger the crowd, the more vapid idiots that showed up, to be fooled by the self described: "rodeo clown".

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"Most hard-working, taxpaying Most Americans who pay taxes and/or own businesses are Rightfully Concerned about the direction of this country."

Same old, tired, deluded claptrap from the same old, tired, deluded losers who think they alone possess the true message of the founding fathers, even as they ignore the deliberately secular nature of the founding legal documents.

As another such loser said earlier in the thread: NOTHING CHANGES.

Posted by: akaoddjob | August 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Does ANY Republican Tea Party member have ANYTHING intelligent to say issue-wise?

You talk a lot about "country" and "God".

What does it mean? I didn't hear a single issue being discussed. All this talk about crowd size does is confirm how irrelevant it was what they said at the rally.

So do any of you Tea Party types have ANY substantive comments to make at all?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Two days after the event and the WaPo is still writing about and attacking it on the front page.

In other words, Beck's rally was a RESOUNDING SUCCESS!

Posted by: JackESpratt | August 30, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

When people argue about an event's crowd size, you can bet it was a disappointment. Otherwise, they'd be talking about the event's memorable, historic moments and significance.

For instance, nobody cares how many people showed up for MLK's "I've got a dream" speech. Doesn't matter. Same with Obama's inauguration. The news was that the U.S. had its first black president, not the crowd size.

Unfortunately for Glenn Beck, his rally was truly forgettable for everybody but himself. There was no reason to show up. Just turn on the TV, and you can get your fill of that blah, blah, blah stuff anytime you want. Glenn Beck failed to give us new ideas, or for that matter, even restate old ideas in a way that touched people

Not many talking heads, be they liberal or conservative, rise to the level of greatness. They're mostly entertainers, and not particularly good ones.

Think about it? Do you get your values from watching TV? Does a flat-screen, glowing image really inspire you? How sad if that's the best you can do.

Also, here's some common-sense advice: Don't listen to electronic voices. And if you do, please don't do what they tell you.

Posted by: dparks2 | August 30, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Pissing Off Liberals is actually more important than anything else. ... What I don't understand is why liberals keep indulging him with their outrage."

Hehheh, because they're liberals, they are powerless to stop themselves. They have spent their entire lives getting themselves worked up into emotional outrages over minor stuff, it's what they do.

Liberals have little or no ability to look the other way, turn the other cheek, or just shrug and laugh.

It's true you know.

Posted by: ZZim | August 30, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

beck`s ambitions are small. My sources at M.P.D. advise that 45,000 was actual count at the beck -o- rama. That the same number that Al Sharpton`s group had in attendance.
Stop lying beck. The truth ( which beck knows nothing about )should set the average person free. beck`s nose is growing by the day- he just cannot tell the truth.
Now add in the tourists and you might get to 125,000 on top of these 2 group counts.
Thank you.

Posted by: wts1574 | August 30, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

How many showed up for Hate-a-palooza is not the important question. The important question is:

How many MIRACLES were performed? Beck promised us miracles, did he deliver? Did Beck walk on water? Did he feed the 87 trijjilian Becker Heads that showed up with two sardines? Did he make it through the day without inventing a conspiracy that drove his followers to attempt mass murder (see Tides Foundation?)

Posted by: nisleib | August 30, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"Beck's inversion of history, by which a people demanding more supply-side tax cuts and a conservative takeover of Congress become the civil rights activists of their time, is too patently absurd to take seriously."

This is true. So why are you taking it seriously then?

It's almost as absurd as "gay marriage" advocates casting themselves as civil rights activists.

Almost, but not quite.

You need to have a sense of humor about these things.

Posted by: ZZim | August 30, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Charity is a personal virtue, and is not so noble when it is only given under force of law."

Apparently you are not Catholic.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

When "Jesus said, regarding taxation, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's!" ", he meant obey the law. He did not mean that we should rely upon the government to take care of us. I doubt that Jesus would say that by paying my taxes, I have been charitable toward my neighbor. Charity is a personal virtue, and is not so noble when it is only given under force of law.

Posted by: coffee247 | August 30, 2010 10:39 AM

Well, Jesus was SPECIFICALLY referring to taxes. If Jesus was actually anti-tax then he probably would have said so. Jesus' philosophy was premised upon sharing and kindness. That means working together cooperatively. Yet that message has been commandeered by those who want to glorify greed and selfishness. There is a major problem with that usurpation unless you are suggesting that Jesus' philosophy was never intended for the real world but was just empty words that sound good. Are you suggesting that Christian principles should not inform United States governance? Isn't that the direct opposite of what you are suggesting by linking Christ and the United States?

Posted by: wbgonne | August 30, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I met people from Maryland, Texas, Ohio, California and Denver, who drove to the event. I met people from Hawaii, who flew in for the event. These Americans were not religious extremists, but normal, mainstream Americans, who happen to believe in God, and how spiritually off track we are as a nation.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | August 30, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Sargent is just another left wing hack who would lie about his own grandmother!

Did anyone turn on the television Sat?

There was at least a half a million.

They don't realize what they do by trying to mischaracterize something as simple as attendance of an event.

America is not as stupid as they think we are. Keep it up

Posted by: reddog62 | August 30, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

mwhoke @ August 30, 2010 10:57 AM wrote "The Washington Post reported on Saturday that the metro system was overwhelmed and the authorities were allowing individuals to ride for free at six stations."

REALLY!!!! Which stations? For what reason? Why wasn't that even on the Saturday evening news, or yesterday's paper?

I just scanned the WaPo local section about that.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | August 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I can see where all this is leading. A Koolaid party in South America.

Posted by: tim7 | August 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is leading a new civil rights movement for white people who don't want to see the marginal tax rate for people making more than $250,000 a year go any higher. Given the economic misery most Americans are feeling, it's probably a testament to the enduring mistrust people have for Republicans that Beck, even with the help of the conservative movement's biggest star, couldn't draw a bigger crowd.
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Civil rights movement for white people and only 87.000...Maybe Greg needs to get a job where he can tell the truth......No civil rights movement for whites and much more than 87.000 people there ...but desperate people do strange things....even if they know they are wrong...

Posted by: corebanks1940 | August 30, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

"Imagine what King, the black church and labor movement could have done if they'd had access to the Internet and a television network."

Imagine what they could have done had they had a speaker of King's caliber, rather than of Beck's.

Posted by: MarkDavidovich | August 30, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

CBS -- now there's an authoritative source! Their crowd estimate, to paraphrase the late Dan Rather, was fake but inaccurate.

Keep whistling past the graveyard, libs.

Posted by: eoniii | August 30, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It always amasses me how the Washington Post can always fault others accounting of things without even trying to get the facts for themselves. You always discount others facts reports about events. Washington Post never gives the actual facts and figures for the event. That is because they never have any real facts to dispute them. You would rather just poke fun at the facts and figures that others come up with. Try getting the real facts before you make fun of others. You have become just another Tabloid. What is next the tree headed chicken. Or maybe the UFO in the white house.
Why not try to be a reliable new source for a change.
Try the truth with real facts and figures.

Posted by: Peace4u | August 30, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Is your "Honor" level running low, and you need to have it replenished?

If it is; then you should seek out the "honor" restoration services of Becky, The Honor Restoring "Rodeo Clown". Accept no substitutes.

If you want your Honor Restoration procedure to be handled properly, then Becky, The "Rodeo Clown" is who you should consult with,

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin:

"Especially one that has no qualms about detonating Al Qaeda leaders with drones. [...] Obama has now gone longer without a terrorist attack on the Homeland than Bush did by almost a year"

Yes. Imho sometimes being a partner of peace requires pushing the use of force as a means to an end.

"Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree there. I don't think anyone is right on every issue"

Okay, a bit of hyperbole there, no doubt. Maybe not every issue, but clearly most of them imho.

"I do take exception to that. I don't think Christians are our enemies. Lots of Christians, and lots of churches, and even entire denominations (Episcopalians, anybody) are pretty darn liberal"

I apologize profusely as that was not my intent. I have very strong positive feelings for Christianity and specifically for the teachings of Jesus Christ. Obviously many of those principles are embedded in Judaism as well. But I do clearly see a very extreme, very politically connected wing of Christianity to be something approaching Christofascist or maybe a more appropriate word is Christoextremist or Christofanatacist. It is the Liz Cheney / Sarah Palin / Newt Gingrich crowd. Those people are not Liberal Christians. Those people are not interested in the primary Judeo-Christian philosophy of "Do Unto Others." Those people are truly false idols who use hate and fear to divide us over substantive issues -- not even spiritual or ideological issues (they do that too) but ALSO substantive issues. Good, honest Christians wouldn't have anything to do with these specious individuals.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I would guess that I've attended 20 or more events (concerts and music festivals, political and religious events) with crowds of over 100k in my life, the largest being at the Kumbh Mela in Hardiwar, India in 1998 where an est. 10 million people were in attendance, so I know it's difficult to try to ascertain the crowd size from the middle of the crowd. The crowd always seems larger than it really is when you're in the middle of it, so I don't fault people who say they were there for it 'feeling' as though there were 300k, 500k or a million people (Bachmann) in attendance.

For those who were there, lot of the exaggerated sense of the size of the crowd comes from a child-like wonder at never having seen anything or been a part of anything like that before.

I think it's too bad that no news organization (or any organization) has shown the willingness to create a gallery of aerial photos from events held at the Mall over the years to, if nothing else, put to rest the arguments over crowd sizes.

BTW, when I look at aerial photos from Woodstock (est. crowd 300k) and the AirPhotosLive images of the Restoring Honor rally (est. crowd 87k) at CBS, there is no question in my mind that the AirPhotosLive estimate is accurate.

http://woodstockphotography.mylastdesire.com/fbiwoodstock1969photography/

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

Posted by: breakingball | August 30, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

good stuff adam LB baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | August 30, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

My apologies for not being able to be involved in this thread as much as Greg usually is. Just wanted to let everyone know that the next post is up: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/when_will_park51_opponents_den.html#comments

Posted by: Adam Serwer | August 30, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

AMviennaVA,

The Washington Post transportation reporter was the individual I was quoting. If you need affirmation of what I wrote go to the transportion section of this newspaper and read it for yourself.

I stand by what I read at this website on Saturday that the metro was overwhelmed, people were standing in line for up to 40 minutes to purchase tickets and finally the authorities allowed them to board the trains without paying.

Read the Washington Post's Saturday entries.

Posted by: mwhoke | August 30, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

There has to be a relatively objective way of determining size. What did the photos look like when Beck was speaking? That, to me, is the best method. I have a hard time buying 1.5 million. That's a lot of people. But, 87,000? That seems pretty small based on the footage the event got. Of course, 87,000 would be a very large crowd at a baseball game or a soccer game. And, I know the mall pretty well. 87,000 would still look crowded. It's possible.

Posted by: teoandchive1 | August 30, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I turned on my TV set, and it showed me that there was four, million, one hundred and three thousand, six hundred and nine people at the William Jennings Beck revival meeting. I know that is an accurate count, because my TV set never lies. It has always retained it's honor, and does not need it restored.


Is your "Honor" level running low, and you need to have it replenished?

If it is; then you should seek out the "honor" restoration services of Becky, The Honor Restoring "Rodeo Clown". Accept no substitutes.

If you want your Honor Restoration procedure to be handled properly, then Becky, The "Rodeo Clown" is who you should consult with.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin,

If you can't get the link to load, here is the top portion of the AP article on Obama / Foreign Policy:

* War and peace: Obama nears pivotal Mideast moment *

On Tuesday night, Obama will tell the nation from the Oval Office that the U.S. role in Iraq has changed for good, with the remaining U.S. troops to play a supporting role to Iraqi forces. It will be a milestone with no celebration or banners in a still unresolved war, one that wages on years longer and at greater cost than most Americans ever imagined.

The next day, Obama will make his largest investment of political capital to date in the trying Mideast peace process. He will welcome Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for individual talks and a joint dinner, the prelude to direct negotiations between the leaders on Thursday with Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton as host.

Put together, the events amount to what the White House considers to be the capping of Obama's initial phase of foreign policy in the region and the starting of another. Officials see a picture in which Iraq is taking on self-reliance, the Mideast process is showing life, the international sanctions against Iran are taking hold and the added military muscle Obama ordered in Afghanistan is in place. All are considered progress toward solutions requiring deep patience.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2010-08-30-07-22-08

The most interesting to me being the last graph.

Interested in your (or anybody else's) thoughts on that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"They have spent their entire lives getting themselves worked up into emotional outrages over minor stuff, it's what they do."

From the guys who brought us 140 hrs of congressional testimony over the Clintons' Christmas card list and the obsession over Obama's flag lapel pin.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

It just strikes me as totally odd -- and par for the course -- that the United States of America is in a KEY, PIVOTAL moment on foreign policy and we are here debating the size of the crowd at a conservative political event.

If the Tea Party loves America so much, then why is it totally detached from critically important real-world events?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The Crowd was impressive --300 to 500 Thousand they say. What a missed opportunity. I was waiting to hear something profound from
Mr. Bec but he failes to deliver. Sarah Palin was there What did she say? Can anybody tell me?
It is nice to see White Folks suddenly discover Dr. King. But wht do rhey have to focus only on two lines of the I have a Dream Speech? The Speech was 14 Mins Long I suggest that the readers read the whole speech. And while they are at it they can read John Lewis's speech from the same event.
If Beck wants to embrace King he should emprace the " Whole King" The Non Violent Ghandi King, The Thoreau King. The Acticist King, The Instigator King, The Ricerside Church King not just the tqo lines from the I Had a Dream Speech.

Posted by: Carprin | August 30, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how many were at the rally. But there were a lot more there than I thought it would attract. That was an enormous crowd. Eyes don't deceive.

Posted by: donchew1 | August 30, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

God, I hate this "debate". It's so pointless. I don't think Beck himself would compare his crowd to MLKs, or whoevers.

I was there out of curiousity. There were about 100k persons there. Probably throughout the day you could say about 150,000 attended.

End of story. It didn't really mean anything either way in the huge scope of things, and it certainly didn't mean "people mistrust republicans" because the crowd wasnt half a million.

God I hate you as much as the people saying there were 750k there.

Posted by: CJArlington | August 30, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

@nisleib: I did a Google. I see comments sections all over the place with things like "MSNBC = 500,000" but no evidence that anybody at MSNBC ever said any such thing. Seems both unlikely and irrelevant, anyway. He has a huge audience. Loads of people love Palin. Others might have been attracted by the spectacle, or hoping Beck would break out the blackboards.

You know who would probably draw a bigger crowd? John Stewart. So, it's good to keep things in perspective.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone hear any of the Speakers at Becky, The Honor Restoring Rodeo Clown's Revival meeting;

Call for people to donate to relief efforts for the desperate millions of flood victims in Pakistan?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow. What a typical Neocommie hack piece. Well, the crowd count that will get your attention will have it's number made know loud and clear November 3rd. You Neocommies won't like that number any better.

Posted by: MDDem1 | August 30, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

What the hell does "restoring honor" mean, and what specific blue prints did Beck, Quitter Palin, and John Hagey lay out for people, so that they know what steps to take, to "restore honor".

The bigger the crowd, the more vapid idiots that showed up, to be fooled by the self described: "rodeo clown".
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Rodeo Clown ?????...decribing Beck as a rodeo clown?...THEN YOU HAVE TO DECRIBE THE VICE PRESIDENT AS THE HORSES A**

Posted by: corebanks1940 | August 30, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent.... How do you feel knowing that you are a spoke in the wheel of destruction of this great country? I am sure that you feel great but know this. The right minded people of this country see you and the rest of the sold out media for what you are. All class that was once associated with a "Free Press" has been flushed through agenda driven so called writers such as you. Your deliberate miss-characterization of the numbers in this case is a pathetic reminder of how you serve your king at the expense of reality. Nice going. Be sure that when America is restored to it's original greatness, liberal, class of 65 anti Americans who have done nothing but dismantle a great country, will be a distant memory. When time comes, news reporters will once again write with honor and integrity and most important;y... they will write the unbiased TRUTH.

Posted by: Airborne80 | August 30, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Mr Obama's communist revolution is unraveling faster than a pair of jeans made in China :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

This is not about politics anymore. Our country is on the brink of irreversible destruction. We are still talking about partisan and useless topics. We have a massive debt,massive unemployment, massive spending,corruption,lying,manipulation,tax cheating, 4 islamic terrorist attacks,unsecured US-Mexico border,the destroyed Gulf Coast beaches,the increasing US troop deaths in Afghanistan, Iran close to having nuclear weapons. We have to get rid of our civilian gov't now and have the US Military takover the gov't temporarily since the US Military is the only one we can trust. They are patriotic,the most disciplined,uncorruptable,honest,loyal,brave,strong,competent,efficient and willing to sacrifice their lives to defend our homeland and the American citizens.A military gov't at this time is preferable than an inefficient and incompetent civilian gov't.

Posted by: mahalapril | August 30, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

AMviennaVA,

Go to Local/Commuting and upon arriving at this location you can review the article entitled:
"Metro Delays, crowding on all lines" by Derek Krevitz on August 28, 2010 starting at 9:28 a.m. and ending after 5:00 p.m. The article lists every station that allowed free rides and the other problems caused by the Beck rally.

I would guess that the reason it did not appear on your television station is the same reason that the main-stream-media played down the event because it did not fit into their desires for the country and the amount of individuals upset with the liberal/progressive agenda!

Posted by: mwhoke | August 30, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I saw no 500,000 estimate from MSNBC (I am going to guess that was circulated by e-mail). Groups always-- always-- overstimate the attendance at their rallies. Regardless of political persuasion. You can't estimate size based on standing on the site and seeing lots of people around you. The National Park Service stopped giving official estimates of crowds on the Mall when so many event organizers objected that the estimates were "obviously" incorrect. No one passionate about a demonstration's cause will accept any estimate that sounds low to them. Their relative experience in scientific crowd estimates is irrelevant. It's like asking if something is "good" or not.

Posted by: Sutter | August 30, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"While the official Tea Party estimates of Saturday's rally attendance may range between a gajillion and the fafillion, the company CBS hired to give an estimate placed the turnout at a respectably large 87,000,"

.......LOL ! WHAT A LIE !

Looks like our NAZI-like MSM wolfpack press is digging in to protect our Great Divider-in-Chief, Obama

The WASHINGTON POST is an enemy of We The People........... dirty POST shame on you.

Posted by: allenridge | August 30, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

No one should be surprised to find out that Glenn Beck's next moron rally will be held in Jonestown, Guyana! Let's just hope Mr. Beck doesn't come down with a nasty jungle fever. By the way - - my crowd size estimate is right around 3 million...

Posted by: Hawkestreet1 | August 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I live in D.C. and I know what huge crowds look like; I attended Obama's inauguration (1.5M), the inauguration day concert (500K), and the immigration reform march (500K). The immigration reform march didn't get anywhere near the press it deserved for a crowd of its size. I know what huge crowds look like because I've been there and the Beck rally was NOTHING comparable to any of ones I mentioned. The Beck crowd appears larger because the reflecting pool forces people to stand on the side of the mall, which stretches the crowd farther back. If the rally had been held by the WWII memorial or the Washington Monument, the crowd wouldn't be anywhere near as deep.

Michele Bachmann is an absolute nut if she thinks there were more than a million people there. All other estimates suggesting that the Glenn Beck crowd was as large as the inauguration day concert are ludicrous as well. But hey, report the myth enough and people believe it as fact.

Posted by: MT_to_DC | August 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Poor Greg. Even when he doesn't write the posts, the nutters still give him shite.

Seriously, people....try READING. You'd be amazed at what information you can ascertain.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Rodeo Clown ?????...decribing Beck as a rodeo clown?...THEN YOU HAVE TO DECRIBE THE VICE PRESIDENT AS THE HORSES A**

Posted by: corebanks1940 | August 30, 2010 11:34 AM
........................

Glenn Beck called himself "A Rodeo Clown, and also said: "anyone who believes what I say, is an idiot".

Here you go. Read it for yourself:


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

"We have to get rid of our civilian gov't now and have the US Military takover the gov't temporarily since the US Military is the only one we can trust"

HAHAHA!

WOW.

JUST WOW.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Mr Obama said he ignored the people in the DC rally regardless of the number, which by definition is taxation without representation :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Federale was at the Beck Rally and the Million Man March and the crowds at these events were roughly comparable.

Posted by: federale | August 30, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@nisleib, this is such a great post.

Glad to see there are sane people in the world :-).


He got 87K people to show up?

How many millions of people does that equate to on Fox? I'd guess they are saying 8.7 million?

I didn't watch any of the footage, can anyone confirm if there were indeed "miracles" as Glen promised?

Adam is correct, liberals should just ignore this fool. He keeps "hippie punching" and we keep responding, bad idea. You need to treat folk like Beck like they are untrained dogs. If you keep coming every time they bark they will learn to bark all the time.

Posted by: nisleib

Posted by: smtpgirl08 | August 30, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Um - excuse me however this piece is deceptive


Glen Beck's crowd was between 300,000 and 600,000


It was larger than Martin Luther King's crowd.

I really do not like the tone of this article - attempting to put down Glen Beck.


In addition, no mention is made of Al Sharpton, who had maybe 4,000.

It is WRONG to write this article in this way.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The 87,000 figure is nonsense. Just look at the photo from the air published by the Post after the Beck event.

Posted by: ourbroker | August 30, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of the estimate, the President basically said in an interview that he ignored the event... Even if Beck is hated, you don't ignore hundreds of thousands of people rallying in your back yard. That's irresponsible leadership (which Obama is master at). At least acknowledge the concerns some of the people have.

The Post has overhead photo's on its website. Good luck getting all of those people into Redskins stadium and that holds 90K... Looks like 150K to 200K in number to me..

Posted by: mockymock | August 30, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

No one should be surprised to find out that Glenn Beck's next moron rally will be held in Jonestown, Guyana! Let's just hope Mr. Beck doesn't come down with a nasty jungle fever. By the way - - my crowd size estimate is right around 3 million...

Posted by: Hawkestreet1 | August 30, 2010
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Thankyou liberal/progressive BIGOT........

Looks like the libs are going to start attacking Mormons now..........

Great to see the tolerance.... (insert eye roll)

Liberal/progressives = BIGOTS RACISTS INTOLERANT

Posted by: allenridge | August 30, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Who really cares if it was 87,000 or if it was Beck's own estimate of 310,000 either way, it was less than 0.1% of the country. That is not a majority. Comparing it to President Obama's Inauguration crowd is an excellent metric--1.8 million represent 52% of the population so, if we apply that to Beck's crowd, he is representing between 2.5% (coincidentally the percentage of the population who earn more than $250,000) with the CBS estimate and 8.95% using his 310,000 estimate. Again, not a majority in either case.
The media's fascination with this man remind me of the movie Network.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | August 30, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The liberals at MSNBC say it was 500,000 at Glen Beck's rally.


That is TWICE the crowd of Martin Luther King -

NOW the LEGACY OF August 28th belongs to ...... GLEN BECK !!!!

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I've posted several times asking Tea Party members to post something CONSTRUCTIVE.

Just one substantive issue.

Just one policy idea.

ANYBODY?

ANYTHING?

I've posted two or three times asking people here. This is the last time.

Is there ANYONE OUT THERE in conservative land who wants to put forward just ONE constructive policy idea that you think would help the country? If you are at all interested in making America a more perfect union, please post the issue and your idea for how to solve it.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"he liberals at MSNBC say it was 500,000 at Glen Beck's rally."

Quite honestly, I don't really give a rat's arse about the size of the crowd, but either give a citation for that or stop saying it.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Wow, we on the left have such a poor memory about these things.
We historically minimize the right wing zealots as inept, stupid, incapable and unthreatening and they have repeatedly seized power and rammed their agenda through- while we are inept at getting even the most obviously and universally desirable outcomes (full employment, peace, healthcare for everyone, etc.) across to the people.

Just to remind you of some other harmless- inept people in recent history:
George W.
Newt
Reagan

Mr. Sargent- minimize them at your own risk- I am staying aware that this guy can turn out a more accurately estimated 300,000 people on short notice and that Palin can similarly move agenda.

One last thing- why is the March for Women's lives- 2004 never mentioned- it had 1.2 million people and is the largest march ever on DC...is it a women thing?

Posted by: NYClefty | August 30, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I believe it is correct that the Washington Post itself reported different numbers on Saturday and Sunday on its website.


Why is the Washington Post allowing a GUEST BLOGGER to low-ball the Glen Beck rally ???


American Prospect - who are they and do they belong on the chalkboard ???


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Mr Obama ignored the American people when he gave the "stimulus" trillions to the wealthiest bankers on planet earth :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck restored my honor, and tipped me of to buy gold coins. I own them now, and in about three years time, they are sure to be worth about half off what they cost me.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I rode my bike down to the Sharpton and then the Beck rallies Saturday. The uniformly white crown at the Beck rally was not huge by any means. When you consider that the reflecting pool takes up most of the space there it seems pretty clear it was somewhere around 100K. 87K seems on the low side but its entirely plausible too.

Posted by: Justafan | August 30, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

"....your condescension and dismissal of the views of a very large portion of Americans is sad."

Even if there were 500,000 people there, this country has around 300 million residents.

So your "very large portion" comes to a little over a tenth of one percent.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The "Rodeo Clown" in his own words;

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

"He says that America is “on the road to socialism” and that “God and religion are under attack in the U.S.” He recently wondered aloud whether FEMA was setting up concentration camps, calling it a rumor that he was unable to debunk.

At the same time, though, he says he is an entertainer. “I’m a rodeo clown,” he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” "


"When it was suggested in an interview that he sometimes sounds like a preacher, he responded, “No. You’ve never met a more flawed guy than me.”

He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’ ”"

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

As someone who attended the rally, what I find most interesting about the critial "reporting" and "analysis" by Greg and folks of a similar narrative is that they totally ignore several facets of the Beck event.

For example, why not mention the black clergy that appeared on stage?

Why not discuss the Restoring Honor awards Beck gave out including to a black minister from Texas?

Why not mention the participation of Dr. Alveda King, MLK's neice? Or the loud and enthusiastic response by the crowd to her moving words?

Why not mention the enthusiastic and sustained applause from the crowd during a playing of segments of MLK's 1963 speech from the same site?

Why not highlight apolitical content of Palin's comments, particularly the moving tribute to our servicemen?

Why not mention that Beck used the attention drawn to this event to raise over $5mm for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation?

Why ignore all these things unless they do not fit the narrative of the racist Tea Party, stingy conservatives or the "overwhelmingly white" event?

Why? Because, as said by John Adams, facts are stubborn things.

Posted by: Right-of-Center | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The Metro was overwhelmed at the outer stations because the Beck rally organizers did not buy Metro passes in advance, nor did they apparently coordinate with Metro to run extra trains. A limited number of machines + a lot of people unfamiliar with how to use those machines = long wait. Plus, there was maintenance work being done on three lines, including single-tracking on the Red, Blue, and Green lines. My point is, the fact that Metro was crowded and experienced major delays does not really tell you anything about the number of people at the rally.

Metrorail reported ridership on Saturday of 317,214, compared to last year's ridership on that day of 293,200. Last year, the closest Saturday fell on August 22, 2009, which had a ridership of 217,380. Metrorail ridership is up generally, of course, and there's no way to know how many riders were in DC for the rally and how many were residents, tourists, or other visitors to DC, Maryland, or Virginia using the metro for other reasons (the Nats had a home game, for example).

The MSNBC article said "tens of thousands." CNN said "Tens of thousands." CBS said "tens of thousands." AP said "tens of thousands." The fact is, it's hard to tell, since many people on the Mall are just tourists, especially in the summer, and there's no way to tell from a photo who is a tourist and who's there for the rally. There will never be a perfectly accurate count, but it seems like 80,000-100,000 is a reasonable estimate. People in a crowd often overestimate how many people are there based on how crowded it feels. I'd be more inclined to accept the estimate based on the aerial photos, which seems the most objective way to count the crowd.

Posted by: Katya2 | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


I can see where all this is leading. A Koolaid party in South America.

Posted by: tim7 | August 30, 2010 11:16 AM

***

We should be so lucky.

Posted by: Sanya2135 | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Mr Obama's communist system of gov't is trickle up poverty where he takes from the poor and middle class then gives it to the ultra wealthy ruling class :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

@SaveTheRainforest

MLK will live forever, Glenn Beck will
live for 15 minutes.

Posted by: smtpgirl08 | August 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

As someone who attended the rally, what I find most interesting about the critial "reporting" and "analysis" by Greg and folks of a similar narrative is that they totally ignore several facets of the Beck event.

For example, why not mention the black clergy that appeared on stage?

Why not discuss the Restoring Honor awards Beck gave out including to a black minister from Texas?

Why not mention the participation of Dr. Alveda King, MLK's neice? Or the loud and enthusiastic response by the crowd to her moving words?

Why not mention the enthusiastic and sustained applause from the crowd during a playing of segments of MLK's 1963 speech from the same site?

Why not highlight apolitical content of Palin's comments, particularly the moving tribute to our servicemen?

Why not mention that Beck used the attention drawn to this event to raise over $5mm for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation?

Why ignore all these things unless they do not fit the narrative of the racist Tea Party, stingy conservatives or the "overwhelmingly white" event?

Why? Because, as said by John Adams, facts are stubborn things.

Posted by: Right-of-Center | August 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Christ never agitated for government intervention by the state for redistribution of wealth

No, dear, but he did agitate for the redistribution of wealth when he said to sell you own and give it to the poor. Have you done so? Why not?

The ohioan, could you possible fit in more talking points to your jumble? I think you missed a few. Just to correct a few of your errors (although I suspect that even if one corrected the errors of your ways, you would simply alter the ways of your errors.
A) the US has the 2nd highest nominal corporate tax rate but virtually no companies pay that rate. The effective taxes paid in the US include something close to 60% of US corps. pay no taxes. And you're probably pissed that 47% of individuals pay no income tax.
B) the stmulus was not spent on unions and other hand-outs. About half of the stimulus was tax cuts. But that wouldn't fit into the moouths of the people who twist you around their little fingers. You wouldn't like it and since the didn't show you the chalkboard, I guess you won't believe it.
The rest of your screed was equally wrong, but you probably won't ever figure that out that you're being manipulated. Must feel good, no?

Posted by: koolhand21 | August 30, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If Beck is such a uninformed charlatan, then it should be easy for all of you "highly intelligent" Marxists to prove him wrong.

Sadly for Marxists, the only ammunition left in the Saul Alinsky rule book is to utilize lies, and ridicule, when they lose arguments based on facts.

"The ends justify the means" - even if it sacrifices honor and ethics.

For $10.88 the Marxist playbook, "Rules for Radicals", written by Saul Alinsky, a community organizer, is available online, or you can search online for free copies.

Posted by: ChicagoBob | August 30, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

As someone who attended the rally, what I find most interesting about the critial "reporting" and "analysis" by Greg and folks of a similar narrative is that they totally ignore several facets of the Beck event.

For example, why not mention the black clergy that appeared on stage?

Why not discuss the Restoring Honor awards Beck gave out including to a black minister from Texas?

Why not mention the participation of Dr. Alveda King, MLK's neice? Or the loud and enthusiastic response by the crowd to her moving words?

Why not mention the enthusiastic and sustained applause from the crowd during a playing of segments of MLK's 1963 speech from the same site?

Why not highlight apolitical content of Palin's comments, particularly the moving tribute to our servicemen?

Why not mention that Beck used the attention drawn to this event to raise over $5mm for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation?

Why ignore all these things unless they do not fit the narrative of the racist Tea Party, stingy conservatives or the "overwhelmingly white" event?

Why? Because, as said by John Adams, facts are stubborn things.

Posted by: Right-of-Center | August 30, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@SaveTheRainforest

MLK will live forever, Glenn Beck will
live for 15 minutes.

Posted by: smtpgirl08 | August 30, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Who needs estimates, the suit Palin was wearing tells all:

White on top and black on the bottom.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

The size of marches on the mall has often been a source of controversy between participants and those making "official" estimates. The various SCLC and SNCC direct action campaigns were far more important than the 1963 march. Selma was still required in 1965 to break the logjam surrounding the most fundamental right to participate equally in the democratic process.
Regardless of the importance of Beck's march, there is good reason for "liberals" to be wringing their hands. They have largely blown the best chance they have had in decades to have a postiive impact on America's agenda. They seem destined to return to the wilderness of the continual demand for another handout and an antibusiness agenda that is disconnected from reality.
It does seem doubtful that Beck's march in itself is of any major significance. But the movement it expresses is not likely to quickly disappear. The pain that has generated the movement is certain to persist and likely to grow. It remains to be seen whether or not the movment will succeed in achieving significant political power or spawn off a violent fringe.
The 1967 Pentagon march against the war in Vietnam was the largest Washington march that I have personally attended. Wikipedia has its size as 35,000. But, I suspect that number is just the people who demonstrated in front of the Pentagon itself. In any case, that march marked the arrival of mass protest against the war. That protest movement never succeeded in stopping the war. But it did change American society. The movement that Beck's rally represents may also turn out to be one that cannot be ignored.

Posted by: dnjake | August 30, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

ettaboehme thinks the problem with this country is that we are not a Christian theocracy.

But we've NEVER been a Christian theocracy.

Perhaps, if a theocracy is your preferred place to reside and live your life, you need to seek one out and put down your roots there.

Saudi Arabia is nice, but it's a Muslim theocracy. The worlds' only Christian theocracy? That would be Vatican City.

Have a nice flight.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 at 11:44


Martin Luther King said it was about the "content of one's character" - not the "color of one's skin."


Yes - that runs directly counter to affirmative action - which is quotas for different categories of people - categories based on the color of one's skin. In addition, under affirmative action, there are different standards for people based on skin color.


Obama - under his Financial Regulation bill - slipped in affirmative action QUOTAs for financial companies - and 20 Obama Enforcement Offices - all this needs to be REPEALED.

ON the ECONOMY - we need a systemt of TARGETED tax breaks for JOB CREATION - if you create a job, you get a tax break.

NOT based on income or whether one weatherizes a house.


The stimulus has way too much money being diverted into democratic pet-projects - which are inefficient - do LITTLE to create jobs and perhaps will drag down the economy.

ALL parts of the health care bill which place a DRAG on hiring have to repealed immediately.


There must be a FOCUS on the economy - and the "big things" have to wait.

IN addition, the FREE TRADE DEALS have to be reviewed - we need to IMMEDIATELY BALANCE THE TRADE DEFICIT - and stop sending jobs abroad.


Ways must be made to stop out-sourcing - and giving INCENTIVES to companies to keep jobs here.


Obama's health care bill INCENTIVES are towards hiring in other country - where the massive health care costs are not.

YOU ASKED for proposals - here are a few.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Jesus would kick Becky's ass if he came back.

Posted by: almafurnace | August 30, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Well WHO are you, Serwer, to make such sweeping, imperious, judgments about Beck?

I stopped reading your holier-than-thou comments

Posted by: dave19 | August 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Mr Obama's communist revolution is caught in a quagmire :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse


Mr Obama ignored the American people when he gave the "stimulus" trillions to the wealthiest bankers on planet earth :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 11:45 AM |

..................

That is why Dick Armey, A career insider Republican Politician can take advantage of Tea Bagger Morons, like you.

The TARP bailout of The Wall St. Casino Banks was done by President Bush. He sent his Treasury Secretary(Henry Paulson) up to the hill, to get down on his knees and plead for the TARP fund to bail out the banks. It happened right at the time that John McCain suspended his campaign, because of the economic collapse.

That was quite a trick that Obama pulled of, to be able to act as President, and get the TARP bill to his desk, before the election had been held.

You are an Ignoramus.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I am no Glenn Beck apologist. But your venomous anti-Beck rant says more about you than it does about him. That you can not acknowledge the legitimate discontent of "white people who don't want to see the marginal tax rate for people making more than $250,000" demonstrates your short-sightedness. You apparently have a vested interest in remaining stupid.

Posted by: jonathanfranz | August 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse


Beck had a much larger crowd than Martin Luther King did - Beck got half a million people. This is intensely embarrassing to WaPo hacks.

Also not mentioned by leftist WaPo hacks is that Beck's rally netted $5 million charitable gift to SOWF.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Didn't impress me. I doubt this performance will gain any speaker a national holiday in their name.

Posted by: scrub-brush | August 30, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Because Beck is supported by Conservative Politicians, Democrats should exploit Glenn Beck's madness thouroughly. All they have to do is call a press conference and go on a speaking tour discussing JUST THIS VIDEO OF BECK (fake) CRYING ON AIR on many occasions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3Ebo4UhloU

Posted by: peaceandprotest | August 30, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Since Conservative events like this did not happen during the SUPER BIG GOVERNNMENT growth of the Bush years the event can only be racist in nature.

In fact, Beck did not even criticize the SUPER BIG GOVERNMENT programs of the Bush years or the USSR tactics that the US adopted under Bush of invading countires for no reason.

Me thinks Beck is ready to flame out shortly. Educationally he is way over his head. He's too unbalanced and unfair.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I take him at his word:


The "Rodeo Clown" in his own words;

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

"He says that America is “on the road to socialism” and that “God and religion are under attack in the U.S.” He recently wondered aloud whether FEMA was setting up concentration camps, calling it a rumor that he was unable to debunk.

At the same time, though, he says he is an entertainer. “I’m a rodeo clown,” he said in an interview, adding with a coy smile, “It takes great skill.” "


"When it was suggested in an interview that he sometimes sounds like a preacher, he responded, “No. You’ve never met a more flawed guy than me.”

He added later: “I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’ ”"

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM |

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Easy to read, Adam Serwer, your mind is on vacation with Greg Sargent whose mind is permanently on vacation. Based on these scribblings by you two, I cannot decide which of you is Tweedledee and which is Tweedledum.

However, I have decided both you and Sargent write with crayons upon wide ruled notebook paper, but not necessarily with the brightest colors in the crayon box.

You two snotty nosed little boys truly amuse me. More amusing are all those chuckle heads around here who take you seriously.

Okpulot Taha
Choctaw Nation

Posted by: PurlGurl | August 30, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Why not discuss the Restoring Honor awards Beck gave out including to a black minister from Texas?

Why not mention the participation of Dr. Alveda King, MLK's neice? Or the loud and enthusiastic response by the crowd to her moving words?

Why not mention the enthusiastic and sustained applause from the crowd during a playing of segments of MLK's 1963 speech from the same site?

Why not highlight apolitical content of Palin's comments, particularly the moving tribute to our servicemen?

Why not mention that Beck used the attention drawn to this event to raise over $5mm for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation?"


Why not try reading the post again so you can realize that Greg didn't write it?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

It's nice to see the Klan rare form!!!!

Posted by: MsSexy4Life | August 30, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Why are you always assailing Glenn Beck? What are you afraid of? He doesn't hurt anyone. He just talks about his beliefs. Yet, you liberals are intimidated by him. Why aren't you assailing Keith Olbermann, who is hurtful, devious and radical? How about Al Sharpton? Why aren't you assailing him for his racial intimidation? That why I find you liberals to be disingenuous phonies. I think Ann Coulter is right. Liberalism is a disease of the brain.

Posted by: landrperite | August 30, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"Why not mention that Beck used the attention drawn to this event to raise over $5mm for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation?"

With a crowd of 500,000, this means they all spent an average of $10. Yippee.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's great he's raising money for a worthy cause.

However, the expenses have to be paid first, before the charity gets what's left. Now, we already know that Palin alone usually commands about $75,000. Throw in a couple hundred more special guests and speakers and my guess is the charity will come out with nothing more than some name recognition.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

How funny is it that the author suggests his fellow liberal caucus should ignore characters like Beck, yet he felt it completely necessary to publish this piece that does the exact opposite? What a goober.

Kudos on being a source of leadership Mr Sargent.

Posted by: darthyoda13 | August 30, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

87,000 or 500,000...who cares? There are 300 million people in this country and 1.8 million showed up for Obama's inauguration. Everyone knows that this country is pretty evenly split among ideological lines, although the future looks a lot brighter for leftists. The more education people have, the more to the left they lean...but only to a certain point. Fascists and communists both hate the educated because they question their authority. 500,000 is about the population of Virginia Beach.

Posted by: nsu1203 | August 30, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Mr Obama has turned into Baghdad Bob, "there was no voters in DC on 8-28" :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I have attended many rallys on the Mall. The 87K estimate is accurate.

Posted by: davidlhanegraaf | August 30, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday's crowd was impressive, but comparing the CBS estimate other seat-of-the-pants estimates isn't fair. There is a satellite photograph of the Obama inaugeration and the Beck crowd appears to be more than one-quarter of the Obama crowd, which Obama supporters claim was 1.8 million.

Count the dots yourself and see how long it takes to get to 100, then comapare that patch to everything that's uncounted. I believe the CBS estimate is closer to the truth than Beck who says it was 650,000, and all the other claims are wildly exaggerated.

Metro ridership for yesterday would also be a good way to measure.

Posted by: blasmaic | August 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to know why Rush Limbaugh wasn't there. Isnt this the type of affair where he likes to chest thump? On second thoughts that would have been too much for the crowd to absorb on the emotional scale what with Beck breaking into tears and choking simultaneously. And Palin? I think she's lost her mojo. Nothing but titters from the audience on her self congratulations. I still cant believe McCain picking her.

Posted by: mendonsa | August 30, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Love how people like Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin get under the the skin of Liberal Devil Worshipers.
It's great to see the evil left fall apart when events like this happen.
Knowing what a joke the CBS numbers are this goof-ball writes his article using these numbers only to discredit himself more.

Posted by: bearclawmichael | August 30, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforst,

Thank you for your response.

"Obama - under his Financial Regulation bill - slipped in affirmative action QUOTAs for financial companies"

I see. No quotas in the financial industry. Why is that so important to you? It's the first item you list. Strikes me as extremely odd that THAT is your first issue to be addressed. No affirmative action in the financial industry... mmmokayyy.

"we need a systemt of TARGETED tax breaks for JOB CREATION"

I agree on that one. Remember when the Republican Party destroyed the jobs bill that had things like this in it? That was fun right?

"NOT based on income or whether one weatherizes a house."

What do you have against home weatherization? Are you a homeowner? Weatherizing your house saves you energy and money.

"The stimulus has way too much money being diverted into democratic pet-projects - which are inefficient"

Um... Could you be specific? Which "Democratic pet projects" are you talking about? Do you have a list of all projects from the stimulus and which ones are Democratic and which ones are Republican? It sounds like you've just totally made up this "issue".

"ALL parts of the health care bill which place a DRAG on hiring have to repealed immediately"

Which ones are those? The ones that are in effect or the ones that haven't gone into effect yet? And if they haven't gone into effect, then how do you know they will be a "drag on hiring"?

"giving INCENTIVES to companies to keep jobs here"

I agree. It would be nice if we could pass a bipartisan jobs bill don't you think?

I dunno Rainforest. I appreciate the effort at being substantive, but your attempt strikes me as just hollow partisanship with zero specific policy prescriptions.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This is not about politics anymore. Our country is on the brink of irreversible destruction. We are still talking about partisan and useless topics. We have a massive debt,massive unemployment, massive spending,corruption,lying,manipulation,tax cheating, 4 islamic terrorist attacks,unsecured US-Mexico border,the destroyed Gulf Coast beaches,the increasing US troop deaths in Afghanistan, Iran close to having nuclear weapons. We have to get rid of our civilian gov't now and have the US Military takover the gov't temporarily since the US Military is the only one we can trust. They are patriotic,the most disciplined,uncorruptable,honest,loyal,brave,strong,competent,efficient and willing to sacrifice their lives to defend our homeland and the American citizens.A military gov't at this time is preferable than an inefficient and incompetent civilian gov't.

Posted by: mahalapril | August 30, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Comparing this rally to MLK's isn't really relevant.

You should compare it to more recent liberal based rallies.

For example: The WTO protests, the anti-war protests or the Million Man March.

Posted by: HughJassPhD | August 30, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

"ON the ECONOMY - we need a systemt of TARGETED tax breaks for JOB CREATION - if you create a job, you get a tax break."

It's called the HIRE Act, passed this past February. Tax breaks and incentives for companies hiring people who have been out of work for 60 days minimum.

But hey, those crazy Libs and that Socialist Obama passed this, so I guess Beck didn't have it on the board?

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Not impressive, I thought we had at 100 times that many morons in America. Turnout was light.

Posted by: hakafos44 | August 30, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Gee, Adam, you sure brought out lots of righteous indignation this morning from people who desperately want to believe that Glenn Beck is somehow an important voice in America. Good job and welcome! ;)

Of course, the numbers at this rally don't matter one bit. But the Beck defenders who are arguing over crowd totals are just mimics of Beck's intense need to think that....he IS important, he IS important!

Beck's television antics and his absurd statements about our President have stripped him of any credibility, religious or otherwise, and he will go down in history as the "rodeo clown" he correctly labels himself to be. He is nothing more than an entertainer, but his brand of entertainment includes hate-mongering and spreading falsehoods to gain television ratings.

And there's absolutely no shred of Christianity in his statement that our President has a "deep-seated hatred for white people" and no amount of religious posturing is going to make him a voice of spirituality. As a mother, I found Beck's statement to be particularly offensive, given that he was actually saying that President Obama somehow had a deep-seated hatred of his mother. Despicable!

I have no problems with people rallying to talk about their faith, or God or Jesus, but when it comes at a time when Muslims are being violently targeted in this country by those who would deny their freedom to peacefully practice their own faith....well, if Mr. Beck was truly spiritual or religious he would have reached out in respect and tolerance to people of all faiths.

That's what Jesus and his disciples did. I believe Jesus called it......loving your neighbor as yourself.

Posted by: elscott | August 30, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck's was handing out awards, that no one ever heard of before. He must have taken a lesson from Montgomery Burns, when he created that Outstanding Achievement In Excellence award, for Homer Simpson.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


SOWF NETTED $5 million charitable gift from Beck's rally. That was net after all rally expenses.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 You mention the Iraq speech.


Obama should think carefully about his Iraq speech.


How is someone who opposed the war, opposed the Surge, supposed to give a victory speech ???


Obama is risking looking like a complete fool.

A Victory Speech for Iraq would require Obama to state that their were CLEAR objectives which caused us to go to Iraq - and those objectives were MET.


Obama has to praise Bush FOR going into the war and PROTECTING IMPORTANT US NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.


Obama is going to have to say that Saddam Hussein DID have chemical weapons - which ARE weapons of mass destruction - AND there was a REAL DANGER Saddam Hussein might team up with terrorists and give them those chemical weapons for chemical attacks in the domestic US - in our cities.


Is Obama about to do that AND give Bush CREDIT for that important NATIONAL SECURITY OBJECTIVE ???

Anything less would invites presenting Obama with a serious political problem over the next week.


Obama MUST be honest and clearly STATE that he was against the war - and against the Surge - and that meant that Obama PREFERRED to leave this nation OPEN to possible CHEMICAL WEAPON ATTACKS IN US CITIES.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how many people have enough time to waste in arguing about how many people were actually there. The size of the crowd is totally based on which agenda you are trying to push. Even if someone were to take the time to actually map out the entire crown in photographs and count each individual accurately, there would still be vast disagreements with that figure. I get the feeling that most commenters here seldom let facts override their emotion. Let's move on to something else.

Posted by: justmike | August 30, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Stupid liberal article!

There were AT LEAST 1 BILLION!

Posted by: hayden1 | August 30, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Is Bush still looking for the WMD under the couch?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Typical leftest column . . . if you can't challenge his message then badmouth the crowd count. What did you think of his tie and his haircut. The brain impaired left are nothing but a gaggle of spoiled, ignorant children.

Posted by: rplat | August 30, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Complaining that Mr. Beck was talking religion? He had that crowd in the palm of his hand.. if he wanted to he could have inflamed them to storm the capital itself.. but he didn't. Don't you get it, he is pulling back because it was getting too hot. He doesn't want violence, if he did he could have produced it in a flash.

And the 5.5 million is after expenses. That is what was raised prior to the event. During the event the call went out to donate $10 via a text message. The final numbers have not even been tallied. How sad you must find fault with a message of peace and charity.

Posted by: snidewoman | August 30, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

"...Democrats are going to get shellacked in November because of the unemployment rate, not because Glenn Beck is leading a new civil rights movement for white people who don't want to see the marginal tax rate for people making more than $250,000 a year go any higher. Given the economic misery most Americans are feeling, it's probably a testament to the enduring mistrust people have for Republicans that Beck, even with the help of the conservative movement's biggest star, couldn't draw a bigger crowd..."

HAHAHAHAHA (pause for breath) HAHAHAHAHA

Leave it to unabashed Liberal Sargent to fabricate a silver lining. We all saw the pictures of the crowd. There were more than a "respectable" 87,000 people along the right side of the pool alone!

Was this the same company that estimated the "Million Man March" that had about 90,000 folks show up, most of them bussed in from the ghettos up north? LMAO!

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who witnessed that event knows the truth and knows that number isn't even close. And, they also know that the Liberal bilge Sargent continues to spew forth, column after column, represents talking points engineered by our Dear Leader and his inept bunch of Keystone Cops in the White House.

They also know that Mr. Sargent, et al., are pee-in-their-pants scared of what is coming in November. That's why they are so desperate to start spinning now, months out, because they are all going to look like Jack-Asses on November 3rd -- not just because of this embarassing white house press release tripe published in his column under his name, but because they continue to underestimate what happens to leaders who wholly and arrogantly disregard the will of the American people.

We're coming, pitchforks and torches in hand, to retake our nation. Good luck, Mr. Sargent, and let's see if you do a 180 on November 3rd. He He. ; )

Posted by: Nimblerod | August 30, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Typical narrow minded, spiteful pinheaded liberal response.
About what I expected when I saw who the commentator was.
You illustrate clearly the lack of character and total intolerance of all liberal twits who support the incompetent in the White House and the clowns who are running the Congress.

Posted by: LarryG62 | August 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

The real irony is that you are writing about Beck and I'm reading it!

Posted by: wd1214 | August 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It is just astounding how the media uses it great power to deride those it disagrees with and prop those it consents with. Is it any wonder newspapers are losing their readers to bloggers? There is no way in the world one could have a sense of what is going on simply by reading previously prestigious media outlets. So many wear their agenda on their sleeves. So short sighted and so much a disservice to the entire nation.

Posted by: Lynne5 | August 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"How is someone who opposed the war, opposed the Surge, supposed to give a victory speech ???"

Who said he's going to give a "Victory Speech"

Oh right. You did.

The Saddam / chemical weapons / Bush stuff shows that you are strictly a partisan who is not interested in real issues that matter to America. Truly sad that you have to turn every American substantive issue into mortal combat.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Stupid liberals. The crowds as still arriving in DC now. They were backed up, all the way to the Canadian Border.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

When the wealthiest bankers on earth say "jump" Mr Obama says "how high boss" :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Greg Sargent made his case for the paltry group that Glenn Beck was able to attract. Clearly, being all wise, and knowing so much more than thoseof us that have
eyes, I have no choice but to accept his enlightened assessment. As he said, considering the advantages in advertisement and everything that are at Beck's disposal, you would have thought that he could have really brought out a substantial number of people.

A number of people in the TEA Party are calling November 2, 2010 “The Ultimate Tea Party”. As Mr. Sargent has pointed out though, followers of people like Beck and Palin, the TEA Partiers, never really show up in any significant numbers.

On November 3, 2010, it will be most interesting to see Mr. Sargent tell us that as usual, no one from the TEA Party showed up. That will be MOST interesting indeed! I WILL BE LOOKING FORWARD TO IT.

Posted by: mikesd413 | August 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse


Still waiting for the leftist WaPo hacks who wrote "Where is the money going?" story in WaPo to eat crow now -- FIVE MILLION DOLLARS was donated to SOWF because of Beck's rally.

Loathsome WaPo hacks.


Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"There are plenty of folks, like myself, who could not afford to go to this rally because of the recession and jobless economy."

Couldn't afford? You mean your friends at FreedomWorks didn't save you a seat on the bus?

And speaking of recession rallies, the Bonus March of 1932 drew better than this Beck thing. Without free buses.

So, no, I'm not buying the excuse.

Posted by: mattintx | August 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Crowd estimates for rallies in DC are notoriously inaccurate, and always subject to political bias. One of the biggest annual rallies is the March for Life. It is totally ignored by the far-left media such as the Washington Post and NBC (MSNBC is so far left is about to fall of the edge of earth.) I can only guess that it must be the editor's obligitory bash-the-right assignment of the day.

For any rally to exceed Rev. King's "I have a Dream" rally would be extremely difficult. It took place in a predominately black, predominately liberal city in a time of high emotion on the part of blacks, who realized that the civil rights movement was about to achieve large, positive changes for them.

Posted by: boredbybaseball | August 30, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

After reading and watching the news over the weekend, the bias of the MSM is getting worse rather than better. It is not only biased it's condescending.

Other than the bias on the Beck event, a good example was the Obama interview talking about his birth certificate and religion. The recap on the internet points out that 20% of Americans (incorrectly) question Obama's birth place. How can they say it's incorrect when no one has seen the actual BC.

The other example was that 20% of Americans again (incorrectly) question his faith. How can we help but question his faith with so much dodging and dancing around the issue.

MSM, the real way to report the polls is to simply say that 20% of America questions Obama's birth details and his religion.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | August 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

When the wealthiest bankers on earth say "jump" Mr Obama says "how high boss" :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

So, Greg, why can't you bring yourself to say 157,000 attended, rather than just saying 87,000 more than a reference to another rally? Maybe more would have attended if they weren't busy working and paying the bills for some of the unemployed Million Man March attendees!

Your smarmy outright dismissal of who may become the civil rights activists of our time is in lock step with your "intellectual" forebears who probably laughed off the original Boston Tea Party from their digs in London at the time.

You and your leftist buddies need to marginalize and dismiss Beck, because if the trend catches on of the people paying for the dance deciding they also should be able to call the tune, things will drastically change (back) in this country.

When Beck's followers have had enough of being put upon for never bending FAR ENOUGH over backwards for the "disenfranchised" and start to realize thet THEY are now the disenfranchised, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: fedguy1 | August 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots are in full panic. That was a hell of a lot of people.

Posted by: peterg73 | August 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"There are plenty of folks, like myself, who could not afford to go to this rally because of the recession and jobless economy."

Couldn't afford? You mean your friends at FreedomWorks didn't save you a seat on the bus?

And speaking of recession rallies, the Bonus March of 1932 drew better, proportionally speaking, than this Beck thing. Without free buses.

So, no, I'm not buying the excuse.

Posted by: mattintx | August 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

So many showed up at the Glenn Beck DC Rodeo, that over this weekend, not a single youngster, through the land, was yelled at to "get off my lawn".

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"Love how people like Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin get under the the skin of Liberal Devil Worshipers"

Don't blame us, your God created the Devil......here's a thought, just pray the Devil away.

If you really believe, then God answers ALL prayers. I know this because Glenn Beck and the Bible told me.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

All you have to do is look at the Post's slide 14. There is no way there were more than about 150,000 there if slide 14 is to be believed. Look at all the green space. I think that you could make a statement that 87,000 people gathered. I think that is believable -- and that maybe 150,000 were there off and on throughout the day.

Posted by: teoandchive1 | August 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Field Guide to Glenn Beck Fans, aka, Becker Heads

Fox News pundit Glenn Beck has an army of fiercely devoted followers, many of whom think nothing of traveling hundreds of miles to see and hear Beck speak, or to participate in a Beck-endorsed rally. The behavior of Glenn Beck’s fans strongly resembles that of fans of the Grateful Dead and Jimmy Buffet. Fans of the Grateful Dead are known as Dead Heads. Fans of Jimmy Buffet are known as Parrot Heads. There can be no more appropriate name for Glenn Beck fans than Becker Heads.
Viewers of Glenn Beck’s program on Fox News number in the millions, but can every Beck viewer be considered a Becker Head? In the spirit of Jeff Foxworthy’s Field Guide to Rednecks, here are some ways for you to ascertain if you are a Becker Head.
• If you think that a ruling by the EPA limiting the lead content in household products means that the EPA is outlawing bullets for your gun, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you spend money from your Social Security check to attend a Beck rally, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you bring a sign to the rally that says, “Keep your government hands off my Social Security,” you may be a Becker Head.
• If more than one word in your sign is misspelled, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you park your vehicle with its “Money for Jobs, Not Government” bumper sticker in a Metro parking lot, and take the government-funded, government-operated Metro to an anti-government rally, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you want your government to go back to the way it was 100 years ago, long before you were born, and even longer before you had any notion of government and how it works, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you are against the federal bailout of the banks, but have five figures worth of money in Bank of America stock, you may be a Becker Head.
• If all your investments are in Goldline, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you think Barack Obama is Muslin because there is only a one-letter difference between “Obama” and “Osama,” you may be a Becker Head.
• If you accuse Barack Obama of being another Hitler without remembering the original Hitler’s opinion of people of color, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you think that Barack Obama was not born in the United States, but you can’t find your own birth certificate, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you think that Customs and Border Patrol should detain anyone who cannot prove citizenship, but you don’t carry your Passport with you at all times, you may be a Becker Head.
• If you want the nation to get back to God, the one and only true God, not that Allah Dude, you may be a Becker Dude.
• If you are against stem cell research on unwanted human embryos, but for human endurance research on inmates at Guantanamo prison, you may be a Becker Head.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | August 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This is not about politics anymore. Our country is on the brink of irreversible destruction. We are still talking about partisan and useless topics. We have a massive debt,massive unemployment, massive spending,corruption,lying,manipulation,tax cheating, 4 islamic terrorist attacks,unsecured US-Mexico border,the destroyed Gulf Coast beaches,the increasing US troop deaths in Afghanistan, Iran close to having nuclear weapons. We have to get rid of our civilian gov't now and have the US Military takover the gov't temporarily since the US Military is the only one we can trust. They are patriotic,the most disciplined,uncorruptable,honest,loyal,brave,strong,competent,efficient and willing to sacrifice their lives to defend our homeland and the American citizens.A military gov't at this time is preferable than an inefficient and incompetent civilian gov't.

Posted by: mahalapril | August 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

This is not about politics anymore. Our country is on the brink of irreversible destruction. We are still talking about partisan and useless topics. We have a massive debt,massive unemployment, massive spending,corruption,lying,manipulation,tax cheating, 4 islamic terrorist attacks,unsecured US-Mexico border,the destroyed Gulf Coast beaches,the increasing US troop deaths in Afghanistan, Iran close to having nuclear weapons. We have to get rid of our civilian gov't now and have the US Military takover the gov't temporarily since the US Military is the only one we can trust. They are patriotic,the most disciplined,uncorruptable,honest,loyal,brave,strong,competent,efficient and willing to sacrifice their lives to defend our homeland and the American citizens.A military gov't at this time is preferable than an inefficient and incompetent civilian gov't.

Posted by: mahalapril | August 30, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Greg, If you can't even be forthright about something as simple as a crowd estimate, how could anyone have confidence in what you have to say? Try taking a good hard look, again. For once, be honest with yourself and your readers. Let your eyes and not your prejudice, be the judge.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44950/

Posted by: mr_tjet | August 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse


Still waiting for the leftist WaPo hacks who wrote "Where is the money going?" story in WaPo to eat crow now -- FIVE MILLION DOLLARS was donated to SOWF because of Beck's rally.

Loathsome WaPo hacks.


Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Mr Obama's communist system of gov't creates an ultra wealthy, totalitarian ruling class of tax receivers and a massive, ultra poor worker bee class of tax payers :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

No problem Ethan!:
Here are the 3 Main principals of what the T.E.A. (Taxed Enough Already) Party stands for:

#1 - Individual responsibility.
"Individualism" instead of "collectivism" (ie "no no" to International Marxism)

#2 - Fiscal responsibility.
Reduce the size and costs of the Federal Government (we taxpayers can't keep our eyes on both corrupt State and Federal Governments at the same time)

#3 - Reaffirm our Constitutional system of free markets - not "fundamentally transform America" (again - "no no" to International Marxism)

Just like "Sharia Law", the Marxist system runs in direct contradiction to the United States Constitution.

We are a fiscal and Constitutional movement, not a religious movement.

I hope this helps, I hope you read the Constitution, and I hope you join a local T.E.A group!

Posted by: ChicagoBob | August 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Who cares how many people showed up for Beck's doddlehead rally? Even if it was 500,000, that is only 0.001% of the American population. The amazingly dumb proportion of the population, at that. Beck is slowly going completely insane. I expect that any day now he will announce his assumption to the right hand of God.

Posted by: Chagasman | August 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Comparing Beck to Martin Luther King and Obama's inauguration and his rally is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. However, if you think it is OK the so be it.
So if I understand you correctly Beck has the same stature of MLK and President Obama. Is that your point?
I guess he does.
I know for a fact he has made more money in one year than both of them put together in their life times. Also, if you see the pictures of the crowd from the air that were taken you can see that is a very large crowd. It may be possible to bow it up digitally and actually count heads. That would resolve the count once and for all. Since CBS is notoriously left wing, remember Dan rather and Walter Cronkite. I would never trust anything they said about conservatives.

Posted by: nychap44 | August 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

The crowd size is hardly important. The size discussion succeeds in the event marginalizing Dr. King. Glenn Beck said that the civil rights movement is an abomination. Somehow that is being lost in the rest of this thread.

Google "Marginalizing Dr. King's Dream."

Posted by: teamac | August 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

who cares? A bunch of angry white folks get together to pretend to pray, spew some vague talking points about getting their country back, all the while being led by a Howard Beale impersonator...wash, rinse, repeat. That you have to come here to prop up that barker and his circus act smacks of desperation to me.

Posted by: LABC | August 30, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I am a pro life independent who makes over $250k. I am proud NRA member who is against the death penalty, thinks HSUS/PETA are terrorists who raises organic lamb. I don't beleive their should be any govt sanctioned marriages why make the lawyer scum richer. If gays want to get married go for it. I haven't forgot the Pat Robertson and his buds used to lynch us Catholics when they dressed up in their bed sheets 50 years ago.

What I want are members of Congress who are working towards solving the country's problems through compromise not appeasing their party leaders and getting reelected.
Just think how much better off this country would be if Mark Warner hadn't sold his sould for a senate seat and was prez.

Problem with this country is we have nut jobs like Beck and Palin believe we are to immoral to make our won decisions. Sorry Glen and Sarah I like sex with my gf on top and I like bearded clams. Obama, Pelosi, Biden et al believe Americans are to stupid to make their own decisions and must be saved from their stupidity ie house in the burbs, a SUV, incandescent light bulbs and handguns!

Now the folks on the left shouldn't make fun of Palin. Biden as VP makes Dan Quayle look like a Mensa meber. Though Sarah has a smokin bod and good make a fortune posing for Hef.

Beck needs to read his US History and US History of Politcal Thought. Mason, Madison, Jefferson and Washington were not a Christians by today's definition. They did not want a Christian nation. Read all their writing Glennie not what that fool prof selects to proof his illegitmate point.

I was hoping for between Rev Al's Sharpies and Glennies Beckitudes.

My prediction is Glen Beck dies in next few months and becomes a martyr to his cause. Preventing blindness by preventing young men from spanking the monkey!


Posted by: sheepherder | August 30, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

It's not so much that Beck's self-promoting misdirections have drawn any number of people to any locale. The big deal is that when he opens his mouth to distort truth, its on a public stage...a big one. Once on the stage, its hard to get rid of the lies he's planted inside a multitude of heads. If the press was doing its job and attempting to discern truth from untruth for the public, or at least asking questions, maybe he wouldn't be doing as much damage.

Posted by: andyh6491 | August 30, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

elscott wrote.. "...And there's absolutely no shred of Christianity in his statement that our President has a "deep-seated hatred for white people."

Unless of course the statement is true. And it could have developed (if it did) after his mother died. The biggest mistake he made was not being at his mother's bedside when she died. - Barack Obama once told the press. His mother's died at the age of 53 in 1995.

We witnessed his comment throwing his White grandmother (who raised him) under the bus.

After all, what shred of Chrisianity is in any of the lies that Obama has put forth?


Posted by: Hazmat77 | August 30, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The only job Mr Obama has created for Americans is the "job" of looking for a job :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse


"500,000 Americans coming from all acrros America to have a peaceful rally with Beck, is unimportant."

- Some leftist chowderhead

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

So, who payed for all the extra police hours, and the clean up?

Did Fox News pick up the tab, for having their TV "Rodeo Clown" stage a giant publicity stunt, or all you anti-government wing nuts fine with having tax payers foot the bill for Fox News stunts?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Liberal reporting like this is why I canceled my subscription to the WP. This administration needs a wake up call. I doubt anything said or done on the mall this weekend will make a difference, but at least there are some people upset that our country is turning into Western Europe. Can't wait till November.

Posted by: cxn175 | August 30, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

That you have to come here to prop up that barker and his circus act smacks of desperation to me.

Well said LABC.

Looks like Daily Kos has the crowd estimate down to a science:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/8/29/897319/-Beck-rally-crowd-size-by-the-numbers

Posted by: bmcchgo | August 30, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@ steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 11:48 AM:

There weren't any 500,000 people. That's not even debatable. It's simply not possible unless you believe that two or more objects can occupy the same space at the same time.

I looked at photo's taken from the Washington monument and photo's taken from ground level, then I took a satellite photo of the mall and overlaid one of the Meadowlands stadium in NJ which holds around 90,000 people. If the entire area where the crowds gathered were at the height of the Beck event were as densely packed as stadium seating end to end -- which of course some areas that were but in others you could see that the crowd was significantly thinner -- you could just about make the case for a turn-out as high as two sold-out Giants games.

Based on that and what you could see in the crowd photos, I'd be willing to believe any estimate between 75-to-125k. But the maximum number of people you could possibly fit into that same area without stacking them more than one high would not be more than about 250k, so 500 is ~way~ out to lunch in any case.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"SOWF NETTED $5 million charitable gift from Beck's rally. That was net after all rally expenses."

Well then I stand corrected, thanks for the knowledge. Like I said, a worthy cause, Beck should be commended for that piece of this at least.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

If you check out this list of historical marches on Washington:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_protest_marches_on_Washington,_D.C.

Beck's turnout looks pathetic. Marches against the Iraq war, routinely ignored by the media, were twice as large.

FYI, absent from the Wikipedia list is an April 1992 pro-choice demonstration my wife and I attended. It drew many Democratic presidential hopefuls, including Bill Clinton. The conservative crowd estimates were 300,000.

Posted by: howlless | August 30, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"...larger than the official estimates of turnout last year's 9/12 rally but no where near the estimated 1.8 million that attended Obama's inauguration."

Why would the greg sargent even raise this foolish comparison?

Posted by: Hazmat77 | August 30, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I had no doubt that the turnout would be good for Beck's crazy train. There's no reason to gloss over it. If he got 500,000, then he got 500,000. I'm wondering what percentage of them were bored out of their minds because they didn't get the usual serving of hate and vitriol. I did find the display of religious nationalism unnerving at best. It'll be interesting to see where all this goes. I'm hoping that like all other uniquely American insanity movements, the tea party and Glenn Beck will eventually fade into history and fall under the category of "Things that happened when America lost its mind"

Posted by: dcgal2010 | August 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

This is why I don't watch CBS.
They LIE!
Tell all the lies you want, in November the socialist experiment is over!

Posted by: joeschmo28 | August 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh! is the itty bitty liberal pea brain perplexed about the turn out.

Posted by: jpalm32 | August 30, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Sargent,

If Obama's inauguration had 1.8 million then Glenn beck had over 2 million. Both reached back to the Washington Memorial - however, Becks crowd was packed where Obama was sparse.

Google it, and compare.

Posted by: stvjo | August 30, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Ethan at 12:06


You asked for a few CONSTRUCTIVE proposals.


Not fodder for you to attack.


Sorry, but your response is weak.


The reason affirmative action is listed first is Martin Luther King - he said a person should be judged not on the "color of one's skin" - but on the "content of one's character."


That means equality - on a COLORBLIND basis.


No quotas, no affirmative action - NO secret provisions in the Financial Regulation bill setting up quotas - and 20 Obama Enforcement offices around the nation.


The Question IS : Has Obama strayed from the ideas of Martin Luther King ???

Clearly, Obama has strayed from Martin Luther King.


When Obama said "post-racial" and "bipartisan" - that was based on equality and compromise.

Obama is WAY OFF THE RESERVATION on all accounts.


That is the point.


AND your pathetic little attempt to attack things people write in this blog is hostile - and it does not foster civil discourse on this board. Please clean up your act.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..."

That's right, libs. Keep trying to wish reality away. lol

Posted by: JSmitan | August 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I agree with several comments that journalists in general have lost any pride or responsibility in their reporting. The bias is shameful to their profession.

Journalism 101 lays out specifically the code of ethics for reporting the news. It also lays out specifically that the media serves as the fourth estate to make sure the three branches of government operate within their constitutional perimeters.

I would like to have someone reply with just one media outlet that actually fulfills this responsibility.

This article is a blatant example of what I'm talking about. No matter what side of an issue we are on we should be basing our opinions on the truth.

Posted by: thehamptons1 | August 30, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So, who payed for all the extra police hours, and the clean up?

Did Fox News pick up the tab, for having their TV "Rodeo Clown" stage a giant publicity stunt, or all you anti-government wing nuts fine with having tax payers foot the bill for Fox News stunts?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:25 PM

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I'd like to see screwjob21 stop playing switch and answer the above question.

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | August 30, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Based on the template used by the US Park Service (same methodology used for the Oblather Inaug) the crowd for Beck was ~500k+

OR, using CBS' methodology for the inauguration: It would come to ~300k people NOT 1.8 mil...

Posted by: illogicbuster | August 30, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is partly responsible for the rise of the likes of Glenn Beck.

Obama is our first anti-American president.

Obama has contempt for the American majority and it oozes from his very pores.

Why else would he use every trick in the Democrat book to force his ObamaCare stink bomb on Americans when it became clear most did not want it?

Why does he persecute the American state of Arizona for the sake of illegal, foreign invaders??

Why is Obama using his office to aid and encourage the homosexual agenda in America when most Americans hate it???

Why does he have such obvious Muslim sympathies and disdain for Christians?

Simple! Obama hates majority America.

Posted by: battleground51 | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

@justmike: Completey OT. You wouldn't happen to be the Just Mike from Big Kev's Geek Stuff, would you?

Love that podcast. Although Big Kev's Just Mike abandoned them. ;)

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

ChicagoBob,

Thanks! I love the Constitution and read about it all the time.

My beef is that Tea Party people never say anything specific.

I read your list of "principles" but I asked you to give me just ONE substantive issue that is a major issue for you, and to please list your ideas to SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

Okay?

I know where you stand ideologically and I welcome it. I disagree with it, but I welcome it if you are going to discuss SUBSTANTIVE issues and SUBSTANTIVE POLICY PRESCRIPTIONS to SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

So, that being said...

Will you please offer a specific LEGISLATIVE SOLUTION that you think will positively effect a substantive issue?

Because principles and platitudes are great, but at the end of the day you have to actually DO SOMETHING to change our course.

What, specifically, would you have Congress pass to help solve your main issue?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The Blacks have had their civil rights guaranteed by Federal law for over a generation. Why is it that very little has changed in terms of race relations?
Please explain.

Posted by: nychap44 | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Beck is just a modern day Snake Oil Salesman who appeals to the shallow-minded anti-Obama crowd. And who is getting very rich in the process!

Posted by: aeaustin | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know the background and expertise at estimating crowd size of the posters who are claiming the CBS estimate of the crowd was way too low. I know part of this is the right wing need to call into question the reporting of every news organization except the ones that say what they want to hear. You do know that this was done by a company hired by CBS, right? This wasn't a CBS estimate. Without trying to estimate crowd size, look at pictures of various events on the mall. In the ones where the mall is really packed (the Obama inauguration, the million man march, the MLK rally) you can see little or no grass or ground because the people are literally shoulder to shoulder. Now look at the pictures from Saturday. See all the pretty green grass?

Posted by: mrsaxde | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for the info on the socialist/lefty underpinnings to the 1963 MLK speech. I and most of the country were unaware of them. MLK's avowedly leftist social and economic politics do make an enduring association between that event and the Rally to Restore Honor impossible. It also makes me wonder MORE what's in MLK's FBI file, which Reagan during his presidency allowed to be sealed and filed away for 50 years.

Posted by: DoTheRightThing | August 30, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Mr Obama's communist system of gov't creates extreme poverty uniformly among the worker bee tax payer class which he calls "a level playing field" :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and correct me if I am wrong, but was not CBS the only organization to hire anyone to try and make an estimate of the crowd? So how do we know that their estimate is low, and the estimates of you various tea brewers are correct? Oh, that's right. Because you say yours is right. Forgive me.

Posted by: mrsaxde | August 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

dustyroad said: "Mr Obama's communist system of gov't creates an ultra wealthy, totalitarian ruling class of tax receivers and a massive, ultra poor worker bee class of tax payers :)"
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Sorry, the ultrawealthy totalitarian ruling class of tax receivers were already created by Reagan and the Bushes, by their tax cuts for the wealthy, their de-regulation of the financial industry, their unending wars and unquestioning support of the defense contractors and the military industrial complex, and the undying support of the Republican party for the wealthy elite at the expense of the rest of the citizens. Voting Republican is always voting against your own best interests.

Posted by: Chagasman | August 30, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr Obama's communist system of gov't creates extreme poverty uniformly among the worker bee tax payer class which he calls "a level playing field" :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: "and also said: 'anyone who believes what I say, is an idiot'."

Actually, from the article: "He added later: I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’ ”

May be picking nits, but I think these are phrases with fairly different meanings. Many people say that those that listen to them need to research and think for themselves, and not take anything they (the speaker) says as the gospel truth.

Not a big Beck fan, but saying that he understands that he might not be right about everything, and that people should look to him and what he says as "the gospel truth" actually reflects fairly well on him.

Also, generally such statements are meant to imply that anybody who takes anything anybody else says as the gospel truth is an idiot.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the disagreement about crowd size helps you understand why the National Park Service no longer gives crowd estimates.

Posted by: swissmiss150 | August 30, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I saw it on TV... there were obviously 87 gazillion people there! :)

Posted by: scoogy | August 30, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

CBS report is untrue. Even MSNBC is saying that Glenn Beck rally got 500,000 people or MORE. Whoever did this estimate at CBS should be fired.
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500,000 my Aunt Minnie, I've been to damn near every large rally in my city since the 1907's, and I was down there being nosy on Saturday, I know what 500,000 people on my mall looks like trust - and they were know where near that - it was less then 100,00 easily.

Posted by: love2much SE | August 30, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@ mrsaxde | August 30, 2010 12:32 PM:

Perhaps this is why "conservatives" hate math and science.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It was HUGELY IMPRESSIVE!! This question would not even been asked f the rally had been held by and for liberal causes

Posted by: pd2710 | August 30, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse


Half a million people came from all over the United States and assembled peacefully at Glenn Beck's rally. That is huge. No wonder the left is trying to play 500,000 down by comparing it to the 307 million entire population of the US. More telling would be to compare it to the 10 million vote margin that elected Obama. Could Obama get 500,000 of his followers to show up TODAY? Not inauguration day -- today.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hazmat77, you're not serious, right? You couldn't be.

Where does all your hateful speculation come from? It can't possibly come from just disagreeing with President Obama's politics, because your statements go way over the top of what's considered decent and civil.

I didn't agree with a single thing that George Bush did, but I never once accused him of hating his mother and grandmother. And even though Bush told plenty of well-documented lies, I never questioned his personal faith.

You need to step back, Hazmat77. You're going over the edge.

Posted by: elscott | August 30, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that about 25% of white americans just will never accept Presisent Obama. I am a so called white Christain who is embarassed by many right wing republicans who demand that it is there way or the highway! We in the United States elect a president every 4 years not a religious leader. I do not give a fig if a president goes to church or not. You would think since 1963's March on Washington that the National Parks Service photos once and for all could give a true estimate on the size of crowds. I doubt it is rocket science. Glad these folks are not accountants doing my tax returns!

Posted by: CharlieDrew | August 30, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Americans have a history of revolting against being herded into a massive worker bee class which supports the lavish lifestyle of the ruling class with taxes. The rally in DC on 8-28 is the beginning of such a revolt.

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse


88% of CBS employees' political donations in 2008 went to Democrats. I wonder what it would be at WaPo? 96%?

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "Yes. Imho sometimes being a partner of peace requires pushing the use of force as a means to an end."

I also tend to believe that terrorist networks are better disrupted with covert ops, drone attacks, and surgical strikes, rather than ground wars. In that respect, I just don't have the problems with Obama (and I may be proved wrong by subsequent events) that most conservatives seem, who think he's soft on terror.

Well, he's not soft on key Al Qaeda cells. Not when they're in the range of a handy drone.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010

The major problem right now is Obama's health care plan is a DRAG on HIRING in this nation.


No one knows what the actual costs are going to be in 2014 so that DRAG is going to be long lasting.


That means jobs - people are NOT getting hired on account of Obama's arrogance.

A recession is NO TIME to raise taxes - or raise health care costs. People understand that.


Obama has a personality disorder. His desire to do "big things" and IGNORE THE ECONOMY has angered the American People.

Obama does NOT want to do his job - which is the economy FIRST.


It is truly sad that Obama's own character flaws - his personality disorders - are getting in the way of proper POLICY decisions.


Furthermore, the American People voted for bipartisanship - that means COMPROMISE. The American People voted for centrist policies that LARGE groups in both parties agreed on.


As SOON as Obama thought he could get to 60 votes in the Senate, he abandoned that commitment. But it was a COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


If Obama wants to take back his commitment, give back the election - call another election and this time run on his FAR LEFT AGENDA.

This is just another part of Obama's personality disorder.

The country does NOT want the health care bill - it must be repealed as soon as possible.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats may lose in November because our conventional grasp of reality is a display of ignorance. From my discussions with Communications Majors, the curriculum is devoid of challenge and in there own words consists of studying speech which amounts to pronunciation and rhythm which causes them to be EASY LISTENING RAPPERS. Their skill is equally adept at Infomercials and Cable News. In the real world, things take time to be completed. In respect to the economy, the interval between cause and effect is more than two years. In industry, it takes three or more years between the identification of a need and the completion of the project which supplies the need. Consider the construction of a building which takes more than three years in many cases. Instead of being out raged like the Oklahoma Senator Tom Dingdong Coburn, because all of the money allocated for Katrina reconstruction has not been spent, the News Nanowits should investigate and explain why the process to rebuild almost an entire city takes more than five years. Schools, medical facilities, public transportation, roads, housing, and many other things which have to be appropriately sized in view of what the new city will need as opposed to the old one. The same type of considerations apply to the economy. The Reagan recovery was possible because of the hard choices that Carter and Volcker made, the strength of the Clinton Economy was helped by G. H. Bush's tax hikes. Our current unemployment rate is what most economist have predicted. They have all said that it will be a long time before employment returns to prerecession levels.
The News Nanowits who fail to elaborate
this fact are doing great , possibly urepairable, damage to our country. The idiots are in charge of the news and they are missinforming the public.

Posted by: roy4076 | August 30, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"Clearly, Obama has strayed from Martin Luther King."

Hahaha!

And Republicans are on the MLK Jr path?

You DO realize that MLKJr supported unions, right?

You DO realize that he supported a financial compensatory fund for disadvantaged minorities, right?

You DO realize that he supported large-scale investment in urban revitalization, right?

You DO realize that he supported a minimum wage and laws prohibiting racial discrimination in employment, right?

I'd love to see the Tea Party members get behind those policies too.

Will you?

Or are you the one "straying from the path" and instead just using MLK Jr as a political pawn? Gee, hmm... Let's see what you say in response.

Are you for the policies that I listed that MLK Jr supported, or not?

I'll be looking for your reply.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Echoes of the 9/12 rally when the Tea Party organizers announced that ABC News had declared the crowd size to be between 1 and 1.5 million, when it was nowhere near that and the Tea Party retracted it (didn't stop people like Malkin claiming 2 million attended).

There is no estimate of 300,000 from NBC or MSNBC that I have found. Each quote from a separate report.

Here are some reports from MSNBC: "From the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck told the tens of thousands of activists..."(from AP)

"It's where Ken Ratliff joined tens of thousands of other anti-government activists" (from AP)

"Palin told the tens of thousands..." (from AP)

Yes, every gathering produces disputed attendence numbers. What I see is a whole lot of green grass between people in the aerial photos.

Michele Bachmann said of Beck's rally, "We're not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today", but you can count of Bachmann affirming the opposite of reality.

Posted by: hitpoints | August 30, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the posters who say that this is useless politics. I totally believe that one party has ideas (some good, some bad), and the other party doesn't have any ideas and they know that they don't have any ideas, so they engage in childish distraction politics...everyone here knows who is who.

Posted by: nsu1203 | August 30, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Couldn't afford? You mean your friends at FreedomWorks didn't save you a seat on the bus?"

UMMMM, NO. The PEOPLE paid for their OWN transportation.

Posted by: mikesd413 | August 30, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

@Ethan: "Put together, the events amount to what the White House considers to be the capping of Obama's initial phase of foreign policy in the region and the starting of another. Officials see a picture in which Iraq is taking on self-reliance, the Mideast process is showing life, the international sanctions against Iran are taking hold and the added military muscle Obama ordered in Afghanistan is in place. All are considered progress toward solutions requiring deep patience."

I'm doubtful that international sanctions against Iran will have any effect. However, that's not a policy that is unique to Obama.

That being said, regarding the rest, I think Obama is doing at least as well as any American president can be expected to do in regards to foreign policy. I have no problem with Obama's foreign policy.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | August 30, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

LMAO 87,000. The Washington mall capacity is around 1 million. Each side of the reflecting pool can hold 250,000.

There were more than 130,000 viewers on facebook alone.

Look at the photo's the place was packed. Even if you hate Beck and the people who attended the rally, lying about the numbers isn't going to convey your message of liberal intolerance.

They left the mall spotless too and it took over a week to clean up after Obama's imaginary 1.8 million pigs.

Lying liberals in a national publicaton...tsk tsk tsk. One thing is sure, liberals don't care about winning hearts and minds.

That's just one of the reasons they are going to lose the house and senate in November.

Posted by: Straightline | August 30, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The real Glenn Beck:

http://informationalwarfare.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/glenn-beck-clown.jpg

Posted by: sasquatchbigfoot | August 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

"CBS report is untrue. Even MSNBC is saying that Glenn Beck rally got 500,000 people or MORE. Whoever did this estimate at CBS should be fired."

Actually, MSNBC did not report that number. Morning Joe tossed around some numbers based on the permit which was issued for 300,000 participants. The techniques used by CBS are statistically solid. They are the same ones used by the Park service for the Million Man march - which turned out to be far short of a million. The reason the Park service no longer reports the numbers is because they caught a lot of grief over their count, the same grief you are giving CBS. Yes, the numbers don't agree with my preconceived notions - the numbers must be wrong.

Posted by: jamalmstrom | August 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

LMAO 87,000. The Washington mall capacity is around 1 million. Each side of the reflecting pool can hold 250,000.

There were more than 130,000 viewers on facebook alone.

Look at the photo's the place was packed. Even if you hate Beck and the people who attended the rally, lying about the numbers isn't going to convey your message of liberal intolerance.

They left the mall spotless too and it took over a week to clean up after Obama's imaginary 1.8 million pigs.

Lying liberals in a national publication...tsk tsk tsk. One thing is sure, liberals don't care about winning hearts and minds.

That's just one of the reasons they are going to lose the house and senate in November.

Posted by: Straightline | August 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow...if you were at the Beck Rally good for you, if you believe CBS is wrong in there count sorry about that. But understand their count is done by a computer of some sort and there was alot of open space where there were no people. They did the same thing with the million man march. As long as you got something positive from it who cares how many people were there. I really don't believe that CBS would lie about this.

Posted by: Tee2396 | August 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Did you notice how nice and clean the conservatives left our mall?

On the other hand the leftists that went to see Obama lie to them totally trashed the place and left tons of trash all over the ground.

Posted by: robtr | August 30, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse


This is a message board not a chat room.


Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

87K is about right maybe 100K.
I ride my bike down there every weekend & on Memorial Day weekends when the hog bikers are in town. That is 500K strong there & I fear for my life riding & crashing into walking visitors on that weekend.

this weekend...had plenty of room to sprawl out & have a picnic & do tricks on my bike if I wanted to.

Quit speaking out of a sses on numbers since obviously you don't even live & breathe DC.

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Compare the aerial photos of Obama inauguration and Becks rally - Becks was larger.

Or stay in denial and watch what happens on Nov 2.

Posted by: stvjo | August 30, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Now we have a Rabid Right Wingnut claiming that President Obama brought about Glenn Beck.

Another amazing bit of time travel, pulled off By President Obama, since Beck has been on the airwaves, for many years, before President Obama arrived on the national scene.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

CBS News – estimate came from a recognized expert in the field

Palin – Simply dumb (and probably not that far off)

Beck – Delusional

Bachmann – What planet does she come from anyway?

Yet the news media treated them all as having similar credibility. How’s that for overcompensation?

Posted by: topperale | August 30, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin Willis- No, I didn't know I had a doppleganger on any podcast. I'm just justmike. So are you the same Kevin Willis who used to be a power forward on the Atlanta Hawks? Probably not...

Posted by: justmike | August 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

You're such a lying tool of the pinko-lefty-communist media cartels Greg. Obviously I looked at a picture of this, and, despite my complete lack of credentials, it's clear that there were at least 60 million people in attendance. Can't you see that the Mall between the reflecting pool and tidal basin is clearly shaped like Italy?

Posted by: Left_of_the_Pyle | August 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

CBS News – estimate came from a recognized expert in the field

Palin – Simply dumb (and probably not that far off)

Beck – Delusional

Bachmann – What planet does she come from anyway?

Yet the news media treated them all as having similar credibility. How’s that for overcompensation?

Posted by: topperale | August 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

Quit trolling people with your drivel. You keep asking people for specific policies. Grow up young man.

Why should you demand specific policy prescriptions to continue debate if you yourself are not willing to offer them first?

My reasoning for your approach is that you are a typical young liberal who is angry that the world is not fair and views conservatives as the source of your discontent.

Posted by: darthyoda13 | August 30, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

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Sorry if I have offended any clowns out there. By the way, please cancel my subscription!
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Does that include you freeloading off the website you nitwit?

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The US Park Service is the normal arbiter of crowd size. Any other number is superfluous.

Posted by: oldnova | August 30, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

It's the Washington Post. What did you expect - truth? If you would really look into things before writing (too much to ask from liberals)this was not about politics. But know that people are fed up the current government. We deserve to have our constitutional rights protected.

Posted by: cynthialowe | August 30, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Dutiful acolyte on bended knee before the almighty Beck: "Sir, we are almost ready to start, we are waiting for the Brazilians to show up." Almightly Beck, thinking about his TV ratings and pay bonuses, gloating how his ridiculous Washington DC stunt has fooled everyone looks out over the crowd of sheep waiting for,him, their sheep dog to bark orders to them, " So tell me again, how many is a Brazillion?"

Posted by: grosenblum | August 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Beck should feel free to try to re-define the *concept* of "civil rights" however he chooses (and I agree with his limited-government approach to it).

However, any attempt to try to re-write what Dr. King said, or what the movement historically *actually was*, will only make him a liar, and cannot help his cause. It makes him appear to be an appeaser of the left and someone who does not understand history.

Beck should let his views stand on their own merits, rather than trying to co-opt the traditional civil rights movement, which was largely leftist, altruist, and definitely not a limited-government movement.

Posted by: mtnrunner2 | August 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Domenico Montanaro, an off-air NBC News political reporter, tweeted that a National Parks Service official estimated between 300,000 and 325,000

Posted by: oldnova | August 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

You can't possibly be serious comparing Beck to MLK. MLK was an intellectual, a Nobel Prize winner, ordained minister and theological scholar.

Beck is a self-serving bag of hot air who'll be a has been as soon as his Nielson ratings drop. Fifty years from now no one will even remember his name.

Posted by: Kcrl1 | August 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Dude, are you on crack...pretty impressive crowd for some guy from a talk show. I guess you're pissed you couldn't slam Beck for having a few nuts in the crowd or offensive signs...maybe next time.

Posted by: mjandrews8 | August 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Was the Glenn Beck rally turnout really that impressive?"
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It's really a relative question, isn't it? Impressiveness is a subjective quality and some people are more easily impressed than others. There really is no answer to that question that's both honest and wrong.

Some people, for example, are easily impressed by such things as clown acts and pony rides. For others, nothing short of a moon landing or a cure for cancer may do it. Most of probably fall somewhere between those two extremes but it's entirely that possible that the sort of people who are impressed by Glenn Beck, a self-described rodeo clown, might find his little dog and pony show in the park to be impressive.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

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It's the Washington Post. What did you expect - truth? If you would really look into things before writing (too much to ask from liberals)this was not about politics.
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Yet you keep reading & mooching you stupid redneck b! tch.

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Two points:
1) why are liberals so intent on lowering the numbers - fear, denial, ombrage at the right doing what they do "to be heard"?
2) to my mind most of the people who were there are a part of what is usually called the silent majority - these are not people who want specific rights or advantages for themselves such as racial, economic, sexual or religious groups usually do.

Posted by: sally62 | August 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

lol - quoting CBS's numbers. I was there and I can assure you there was at minimum 300,000. I counted just in my little tiny section 1,000. The crowd took up the whole reflection pool area, plus the field next to it, which is much larger than the reflecting pool itself, plus many others scattered around the monument. Another prime example of the Liberal Washington Past (I do mean Past) posting lies. You should be ashamed! You just wait until November to see who is right and who is wrong.

Posted by: HAWK7 | August 30, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Don't you know? 1 million people showed up at the Glen Beck birther/Klan rally on Saturday, not 87K! ARe you kidding me? and at 9/12 rally was closer to 10 million, far outnumbering the Obama inauguration!

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this is when i wake up from my right - wing nightmare and realize we still live in a democracy protected by the U.S. constitution.

Posted by: dc1020008 | August 30, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The greatest fear of the ultra wealthy ruling class is that the massive worker bee class will unite as one group, thus the ruling class uses race, political parties,etc. to divide those in the worker bee class :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Could Glenn Beck, a convert to Mormonism, be the real Anti-Christ?

He fits the profile. Be afraid, be very afraid, all you who yearn for Armageddon. You may be following The Real Anti-Christ. Why else would such prominent Mormon, be trying to pass as a follower of Jesus? Hmmmmm

Also, did you know that award he gave the billionaire, was to a guy who is also a Mormon. I thought it was nice touch, having an African American women accept the award on behalf of a Mormon billionaire, since we all know how much the Mormon community has always embraced African Americans.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse


Obama's comments on the mosque with Brian Williams were OUTRAGEOUS.


Obama said that he did "NOT walk - back his initial comments on the mosque"


Well - the country was outraged before Obama's walk-back - so then Obama made some comments on a tarmac somewhere.


First, it is a LIE to say that Obama didn't walk-back his position.


Second - this is just like the terrorism issues with Obama - the American people find out Obama is doing something they do not like - there is a public outcry - and Obama makes some statement changing his position.


AND then the country finds out sometime later that Obama NEVER changed his position, and Obama is going forward with his original position which caused OUTRAGE.


So Obama has LIED to the country on several accounts.


In addition - this is another part of Obama's personality disorder - Obama is NOT representing the American People in office, and what the American People want.


Obama is off the reservation - doing far-left things - which no one wants - and lying about it.


This is NOT leadership - it is the sign of a character flaw.


American DESERVES a LEADER WHO WILL DO WHAT AMERICA WANTS.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

sally62 said: "to my mind most of the people who were there are a part of what is usually called the silent majority - these are not people who want specific rights or advantages for themselves such as racial, economic, sexual or religious groups usually do."

Sally, equal rights are not special rights. Sorry you missed the entire point of MLK's speech.

Posted by: hitpoints | August 30, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Yawn.

Nothing is so certain as death, taxes and the mainstream media's attempt to underestimate the size any rally that favors conservatives and undermines their chosen president.

The JournoList scandal was like picking up a rock and watching all the creepy-crawly creatures scurrying from the light.

Yet Greg Sargent actually wants us to believe that a left-wing TV network would objectively estimate the size of a right-wing rally ... and that a Democrat mayor would objectively estimate the size of an inauguration crowd for a Democrat president.

Oh, well ... nice try, Greg. You wrote your column as if you actually believe you still have credibility with everyday Americans.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What does America want?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

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Two points:
1) why are liberals so intent on lowering the numbers - fear, denial, ombrage at the right doing what they do "to be heard"?
2) to my mind most of the people who were there are a part of what is usually called the silent majority - these are not people who want specific rights or advantages for themselves such as racial, economic, sexual or religious groups usually do.

Posted by: sally62 | August 30, 2010 12:56 PM |
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& yet you label ppl with your first point you stupid loud mouth hick.
Go gets some flu you swine.
November will be as much a debacle for you losers as it was for America 2000-08.
Great job you chokes did on 9/11 & Iraq & Afghanistan & the housing bubble.

Nice conservative watch there chokes.

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing impressive with folks showing up to a rally to listen to hate but pretend that is not the case

Posted by: K2007 | August 30, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I attended the March on Washington in l963. The police reported two hours before the rally started that there were over 200,000 on the Mall and with late arrivals it added up to about 300,000.
White folks were scared and yes, the city banned liquor sales for the first time since Prohibition. They had 4,000 troops waiting in the suburbs and 15,000 paratroopers on alert in N. Carolina. Hospitals canceled elective surgery and some shopkeepers transferred merchandise to outside warehouses. The Washington Senators postponed ball games
In Riverside Church in N.Y. 80,000 sandwiches were made for bus riders going to the March. Whites believed that Negroes equaled violence...similar views as today. Communists, as the writer of this column says today, paid for the March...Yes, the old commie pinko stuff...still around after all these years.
What a wonderful, peaceful, friendly day with everyone wearin' their Sunday best! Music by Joan Baez, Odetta, Peter, Paul and Mary, Dylan and the SNCC Freedom Singers, Marian Anderson, Josephine Baker flew in from Paris.
President Kennedy watched the speech on television. It was the first time that JFK heard an entire speech of MLK. "He's darn good," said Kennedy.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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Posted by: judithclaire1939 | August 30, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

darthyoda13,

Nobody asked me what issues and policies I care about!

That's part of the problem. Republicans never want to debate the issues that matter.

I'm sure you are very nice to your family and friends, but people like you are part of the problem with our country.

All I did in my post was ask people their thoughts and solutions for improving the country.

I'm really "sorry" for loving America and wanting to see it improved.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Whatever the numbers,... obviously a LOT of angry tea party people who followed "mama bear" and the 'going blind' Beck down a rabbit hole to sit with imaginary people who believe in his (own words)
FACTION.... where's the 'honor' when mixes up facts - and even admitted he didn't HAVE the facts when interviewed by HIS OWN cable 'news' channel when he called Obama a racist and "hating white people" (again Beck's own words)... So where's this supposed 'honor' Tea Totalers?!?! Get the FACTS straight about this BLINDLY bigoted man (and it's NOT Obama). And all those lemmings following him - hopefully off a cliff while they try to "take back America" to 'God'. FACT IS - EVERY STATE in this country was founded by a DIFFERENT belief due to the INTOLERANCE of other states religions. THAT'S A FACT....
including Glenn Beck's professed faith in the MORMON religion which was so persecuted - they had to go to an vastly unpopulated state (of Utah) to practice THEIR faith away from
other 'Christians' who chased and killed many of them getting out of New York state... Yeah,.. a LOT of 'honor' in trying to turn
THIS entire country "back" to those prejudices and hatred. There
IS a reason we HAVE separation of church & state for that VERY reason - otherwise you'll have the SAME 'religiously' run country
and the SAME problems as Iran and Israel... forgetting for a moment they're not "Christian", which is the "problem" since THEY don't accept Jesus as their savior if you follow the arguments of the blind man-momma bear- and the tea party Alice in Wonderland idiots. And "blind" to the FACT the man they came to see "isn't" a 'Christian' according to many of their own 'Christian' (in)tolerant beliefs. Same idiot reasoning they used to hate Obama for being a 'Muslim' - then turning around and hating him for going to a (again) Christian church and following his CHRISTIAN Pastor... but THAT statement follows the "Birthers" who seemed to have been only born with half a RIGHT (wrong) brain. HE CAN'T BE BOTH RELIGIONS - just come out at least like your blind leader and admit you're racist and hate the man who sits in 'your' WHITE house simply because he's black....

Keep religion where it belongs - in a church and in the home, and within your own heart... don't try and force this country into becoming like Israel, Iran and any others based on ONE religion, and intolerant of any others. That is NOT what this country was
SUPPOSEDLY founded upon. But the FREEDOM to worship,... and pray to God as we INDIVIDUALLY wish. HONOR those of ALL faiths who gave up their lives in so many wars to keep that freedom we have here,... not that false 'freedom' or 'honor' that Beck and others are claiming. Or 'we' as a people will be no better than those countries that have denied each others RIGHT to exist... and RIGHT to worship God as we PERSONALLY believe.

Posted by: dogged1 | August 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

@ oldnova | August 30, 2010 12:52 PM:

"The US Park Service is the normal arbiter of crowd size. Any other number is superfluous."

The US Park Service hasn't issued a crowd size rally for any event in Washington DC since 1995. If anyone tells you a number is a Park Service estimate you already know it's bogus.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

oldnova

pictures do not lie

Posted by: stvjo | August 30, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing impressive with folks showing up to a rally to listen to hate but pretend that is not the case

Posted by: K2007 | August 30, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

THIS JUST IN!!!!

FOX NEWS ESTIMATES NOW RUNNING AT JUST OVER A TRILLION AT THE BECK RALLY.

MORE TO COME...

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse


Barack Obama is a Nobel peace prize winner too ... Barry got his after being president for two weeks.


Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

notice how "conservatives" focus on the number reported by the Washington Post and nothing else. nothing about what Beck/Palin/Bachmann talked about in their speeches, nothing about liberals response to the garbage spewed by right wingers at the "rally". nope, only writing about the numbers. if you dispute what they say, they become apoplectic.

wish the WaPo had reported the number was in the low teens...that would really have gotten the birther/Klan crowd in this chat room going, lmFAO!!!

Posted by: dc1020008 | August 30, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

During the first American Revolution against the ruling class (in England) the common thread which held the worker bee class together was religion. As long as the ruling class keeps the worker bee class divided and fighting among each other, the ruling class can keep the worker bee class enslaved.

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What does America want?

Posted by: Liam-still
_____________________________

*** Obviously, something besides what it's gotten for the past year and a half.

But that's about to sort itself out.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This is NOT leadership - it is the sign of
a character flaw.
American DESERVES a LEADER WHO WILL DO WHAT AMERICA WANTS.
Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 12:58 PM |
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Conservatives: 0
9/11/economy failures: 2.

Enough said. Let the people who were elected rightfully do the job.

The last guy couldn't get it done in 8 years of trying.
The US people are like the Chilean miners...just trying to dig out of the hole the previous fools put us in.

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"Why else would he use every trick in the Democrat book to force his ObamaCare stink bomb on Americans when it became clear most did not want it?"

Congress drafted it, Obama signed it.

"Why does he persecute the American state of Arizona for the sake of illegal, foreign invaders??"

It's Federal jurisdiction. Can't have the states stepping on the Fed's toes.

"Why is Obama using his office to aid and encourage the homosexual agenda in America when most Americans hate it???"

Actually the numbers are closer than you may think. I don't know, maybe Obama thinks all men and women are created equal, even the gay ones. Your God created the gays, didn't he? (Oh, wait, I forgot....personal choice. My bad.)

"Why does he have such obvious Muslim sympathies and disdain for Christians?"

Because all Christians love thinking they're being persecuted for something. It's a way to keep the $$ rolling in.

He's not the preacher-in-chief, he's the President.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

@Kevin_Willis:

"I think Obama is doing at least as well as any American president can be expected to do in regards to foreign policy"

Nice to hear Kevin. I personally think he is doing a vastly better job than the previous president and, arguably, a better job than the one before that. On foreign policy issues, that is.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
*** Obviously, something besides what it's gotten for the past year and a half.
But that's about to sort itself out.
Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 1:05 PM |

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The the prior 8 years not happen?
Is it our own holocaust that you denie you nitiwit?
Answer to your GOD??!!

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If you want to make a comparison of the two events, 1963 and this weekend, just look at the pictures. Google the 1963 rally and Saturday. The 1963 reality is no where near the revisionist history you are using. But to make a comparaison is really just stupid. They were different events, differnt messages. King of course did not have the media platform to promote his speech that is now available 47 years later. And to use anything CBS reports as a fact simply shows your complete media ingnorance, bias and lack of effort fact checking your own drivel.

Posted by: billyo1 | August 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"Beck should let his views stand on their own merits, rather than trying to co-opt the traditional civil rights movement, which was largely leftist, altruist, and definitely not a limited-government movement."

Actually MLk would not say that.

He would say that his views were based on Christian ideals - and they were.

Government cannot make you treat your fellow man with love and respect. It is in your heart. Those that make political hay out of MLK's efforts and writings are betraying his true vision.

.

Posted by: oldnova | August 30, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Our dirty liberal/progressive MSM wolfpack press is LYING to the American people.

Just for the facts:

"Without official estimates, any numbers published by reputable news organizations — like the 300,000 estimate — quickly got picked up and repeated enough to almost become fact. Domenico Montanaro, an NBC News off-air political reporter, tweeted Saturday that a Parks Service official said there were probably 300,000 to 325,000 in attendance (even though the Parks Service wasn't officially counting). The New York Times cited NBC News' estimate of 300,000, and the Drudge Report amplified the tally even more.

On Monday, MSNBC host Joe Scarborough repeated 500,000 several times during "Morning Joe." (That's the number organizers of the event gave to The Upshot on Saturday.)"

...Folks if our MSM wolfpack press is willing to LIE about something we can ALL see........... 500,000 AMERICANS at the mall............What else is our press lying and misleading us on?

Posted by: allenridge | August 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"The country does NOT want the health care bill - it must be repealed as soon as possible."

Actually, since you folks are all scared and worked up now about anchor babies, WTC mosques, and whether or not Obama goes to church often enough, the number of Americans supporting the health care bill has risen steadily, and is now over 50%.

But hey, don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

Posted by: steve-2304 | August 30, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Another "objective" article by the Washington Joke...err Post. Summary of the article is: "Everything is greater than the Restore Honor rally."

Posted by: SSTK34 | August 30, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I take it back, the National Park service actually did publish an official attendance estimate for the Obama inauguration. It's the only one they've done in the 15 years since Congress stripped the money for doing them from their budget amid the name-calling over the estimate for the Million Man March.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-01-19-crowd_N.htm

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of children fighting in a sandbox over how many gallons of water is required to flush a cup of pee. If nothing else, Beck did underscore a growing need for greater maturity. Unrealistic as that may be...

Posted by: Bylines | August 30, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The author is right. Beck can have his 15 minutes of fame and his audience of followers. If they want to convince themselves that they are in tune with the rest of the country let them. Time will tell. The most this guy knows how to do is piss off the left for better ratings on his shows. He is Howard stern with a political agenda. Nothing more. Hell, he aint even Al Sharpton yet.

Posted by: ged0386 | August 30, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They were different events, differnt messages. King of course did not have the media platform to promote his speech that is now available 47 years later. And to use anything CBS reports as a fact simply shows your complete media ingnorance, bias and lack of effort fact checking your own drivel.
Posted by: billyo1 | August 30, 2010 1:12 PM |
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So why did Beck create that parallelism then to MLK's march?

As for CBS's numbers, you have 1/2 the people here say they were there saying it's 1 number vs. the other half who attended to another.

Give me a link to fact check if you are being helpful, else you are just a blowhard rabblerouser.

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The elite, uber wealthy ruling class is using race,i.e. black vs white vs latino, politics i.e. Dem vs Rep, liberal vs conservative to keep the worker bee class in America divided and fighting.

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

87,000?

Looks like CBS mistakenly counted the number of staffers that Michelle Antoinette took with her to Spain.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

87,000? Laughable. Mr. Sewer should find another line of work.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | August 30, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

*** Obviously, something besides what it's gotten for the past year and a half.

But that's about to sort itself out.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 1:05 PM

.................

But they wanted Bush for a second term, and they wanted The Invasion of Iraq, and after they got both of their wishes, then they decided that they did not want them after all.

Is America now a nation of petulant children, that keeps demanding to have their way, and as soon as they get it, start complaining about it, and start demanding the exact opposite. It is starting to look like the American masses have been so dumbed down, that they keep changing their minds, faster than Rush and Newt change wives.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I had to cross the mall to run some errands, and I have to admit I saw tens (not tens of thousands) of Republican Tea Party supporters.

Posted by: SW-DCWaterfront | August 30, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
87,000? Laughable. Mr. Sewer should find another line of work.

Posted by: johnfchick1 | August 30, 2010 1:18 PM |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What's your education chick?

Posted by: Rocc00 | August 30, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What I am amazed at is the number of people who care about this idiot Beck. Don't you realize that all this bickering and haggling over numbers is just pouring money into his filthy coffers.

I want to see him perform miracles. Like vanishing in a puff of smoke.

Posted by: Afraid4USA | August 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

What I am amazed at is the number of people who care about this idiot Beck. Don't you realize that all this bickering and haggling over numbers is just pouring money into his filthy coffers.

I want to see him perform miracles. Like vanishing in a puff of smoke.

Posted by: Afraid4USA | August 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I had to cross the mall to run some errands, and I have to admit I saw tens (not tens of thousands) of Republican Tea Party supporters.

Posted by: SW-DCWaterfront | August 30, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The worker bee class in America must find one common thread which unites the entire group in a single cause which will enable us all to be masters unto ourselves instead of subservants to the elite wealthy ruling class :)

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Even though Glenn Beck couldn’t pull a crowd of any size, at least the Rev. Al Sharpton was able to bring out a REALLY SIZEABLE crowd.

Posted by: mikesd413 | August 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

To answer the question, nope, not impressive at all. Doesn't mean anything. Not representative of an electorate fed up with its "betters". Nothing to see here, move along. All is well.

Fast forward to November headlines: "is the Republican takeover of Congress really that impressive, or is Barack just too darn nice and smart?"

The WaPo is a clown show, even with its replacements.

Posted by: bzod9999 | August 30, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Is America now a nation of petulant children, that keeps demanding to have their way, and as soon as they get it, start complaining about it, and start demanding the exact opposite.

Posted by: Liam-still
_________________________

*** Yoohoo, Liam -- Americans haven't gotten their way.

If that had, the ObamaCare bill would now be sitting in a recycling bin.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to the CBS aerial photos. I am sure there are those who will say they are manipulated, wrong, or whatever due to GOP/TP paranoiac and conspiracy-based thinking, but it sure doesn't look like there were over 100,000.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014993-503544.html

Posted by: jharveinseattle | August 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The only fact is:

Anyone who expresses that there were such and such a number attending is telling a lie. And folks who would tell a lie about something like that would have no problem telling lies about anything. The worst liars are those folks who repeat lies. Because those folks are such cowards that they won't take responsibility for the lie.

Posted by: gyniahouse | August 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Actually MLk would not say that. "

Actually, he kind of did:

"We need an economic bill of rights. This would guarantee a job to all people who want to work and are able to work. It would also guarantee an income for all who are not able to work.....

We will place the problems of the poor at the seat of government of the wealthiest nation in the history of mankind. If that power refuses to acknowledge its debt to the poor, it would have failed to live up to its promise to insure "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to its citizens."

-A Testament of Hope: The Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King Jr., Pages 67-69

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Crowd estimate rule:
Take the average of the outlandish overestimate of the organizers and the generally lowball number from the police (which in turn is usually lowballed by a further factor of 10 if it's a leftist or anti-war protest).

Posted by: SoLeftImRight | August 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post whipping up a controversy about the number of people that attended the Glenn Beck rally?
Gee. I couldn't see that comin'.

Posted by: tulsa_dave | August 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Religion is probably the one most unifing thread of all time. Religion unites Muslims of all races, all countries, all political parties into quite a strong group. Africans came into Iraq to help their Muslim brothers fight the Americans.

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Post whipping up a controversy about the number of people that attended the Glenn Beck rally?
Gee. I couldn't see that comin'.

Posted by: tulsa_dave | August 30, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Over 500,000 turned out last October for the March on Washington for Marriage, but since no major network sponsored it, it got a fraction of the coverage of the teabagger events with far fewer participants.

87,000? That's about 1/5 of those who turned up for marriage equality!

Posted by: AxelDC | August 30, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

One of the lighter parts of "Eyes on the Prize" was when King's close supporters admitted to having lamented, "Oh no, not 'The Dream' speech again." But in retrospect you have to conceed that they must have road-tested all the themes before the big national rally.

Posted by: blasmaic | August 30, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious. You cherry-pick the smallest estimate and repeat it. A Park Service official told NBC it was 300,000, but you don't mention that -- you go with CBS and their bogus number.

This is more slimy partisanship from the WaPo. You're going to get a hell of a wake-up call in November. And with your head-in-the-sand reporting, it's going to be quite a surprise to learn there are far more than "87,000" Americans who are excited to elect officials who are committed to slashing bloated government.

I know, I know: that's soooo racist.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | August 30, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I heard Brian Williams' interview with Obama and Williams tossed around a number of "north of 300,000" attending Beck's rally. With the aerial photos taken, there is no way there were only 87,000 in attendance. 300K+ is a much better count and is probably a conservative number at best.

Posted by: PittAlum | August 30, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The elite ruling class uses propaganda via the news media, the entertainment media, the political arena, etc. to divide and cause infighting among the worker bee class.

Posted by: dustyroad | August 30, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Folks, before you get angry at Adam and his totally, "Expected take," on this weekend's rally, look at Adam's background:
He went to Columbia to receive a Master's in Journalism! What a joke! Columbia hasn't turned out an honest, dedicated journalist since the early 60's, before Columbia was overthrown by the Godless creatures that have destroyed that campus!

His own take on the 1963 March on Washington, is totally false. Future DC Stalwart Sterling Tucker, who helped organize the March, was not a Leftist/Socialist, as he writes.

This little punk just takes quips from other blogs and then tries to create prose that simply makes his gay friends happy!

Adam, do us a favor and just hang out with Barney Frank and don't write! You can't write and your Master's Degree from Columbia isn't worth the T.P. that I use when I have a bowel movement....

Posted by: mikewoolsey | August 30, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

It is time that the democrats stop attacking the characters of people who disagree with them.


The "content of one's character" - Martin Luther King did not see constant attacks calling them rednecks and questioning their motives from the democrats as part of his vision.


By the way, Martin Luther King was a REPUBLICAN.

,

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

About MSNBC and the estimate: All MSNBC says is that the license was for as many as 300000. Nothing about attendance.

Actual attendance: sorry, but by all accounts less than many expected.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | August 30, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Many people miss the significance of Beck's event and the concept of "restoration" that was central to the event.

Essentially, Mr. Beck (with the support of Sarah Palin) is trying to create some constructive ground rules for Tea Party backers and other conservatives and blacks to engage one another instead of shouting past one another.

Their message was:

Yes, conservatives celebrate the achievements of the civil rights movement that helped America move closer to its ideals of Equal Justice Before the Law - the proverbial blind justice who doesn't take skin color into account.

Back and Palin also seek to establish that conservatives won't support wealth distribution programs in the name of civil rights and find the tactic of branding people racists for supporting other economic principles to be unacceptable.

Much of the pre-event debate by Mr. Robinson and others indicated that Dr. King supported both Equal Justice Before the Law and wealth redistribution. They are probably right.

What Mr. Robinson and other liberals are wrong about, however, is that many Americans fully support the Equal Justice Before the Law achievements of Dr. King while opposing the wealth redistribution side that he probably would have pursued more actively later.

Mr. Robinson and many other Washington Post writers have described many opponents of wealth redistribution as racists. Mr. Beck seeks to restore the word racism to its original meaning, which is appropriate for people opposed to the Equal Justice Before the Law, but is not appropriate in an economic debate.

Mr. Beck made a good start towards that goal this weekend by toning down the rhetoric and showing America that the debate can polite and respectful, if we concentrate on the Equal Justice Before the Law aspects of the civil rights movement that enjoys broad support among conservatives, libertarians, the Religious Right, progressives and liberals.

Note the difference in tone between "take back America" of some earlier more heated Tea Party events and the "restore America" theme of this event. The "take back" theme definitely implies a fight. The "restore" theme seeks to recruit others to help in the restoration.

We'll see whether liberals and progressives follow up on Mr. Becks invitation to unite around common principles or whether they will continue to blast conservatives as racists, because of a disagreement over economics.

I expect the answer to that question will be documented on the Pages of the Washington Post, which has been one of the primary media organs denouncing conservatives as racists, because we celebrate the Equal Justice Before the Law priciples of the civil rights movement without joining the wealth distribution movement.

Posted by: jfv123 | August 30, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

All of the actual professional counters pegged the peak numbers at the Beck rally right at 300,000. Only the Post and their partisan hacks find any different number. And they, just like Obama and the real unemployment numbers, find it necessary to cook the books. This is a "newspaper" that will call three hippies and their pet dog a "major crowd" if it is some nonsense they wish to push. It used to be that the Post had some journalistic integrity, but Obama's lemmings on your staff have managed to make you a laughing stock.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 30, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

CBS report is untrue. Even MSNBC is saying that Glenn Beck rally got 500,000 people or MORE. Whoever did this estimate at CBS should be fired.

Posted by: xcef2008 | August 30, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

===========================

I agree. But, we need to remember CBS PAID for that low number.

The "BS" in CBS is important to remember.

For Progressive Socialists ANY lie that furthers their cause is justifiable. (That's just like Sharia law that allows for lying to achieve a goal.)

Posted by: bob59 | August 30, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

No one dislikes Beck more than I, but this pissing match over the numbers is just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen adults do. Idiots can drive/fly/taxi/bus/walk just as easy as the brightest among us. Blacks, gays, whites, Hispanics; travel is as easy for one as the other. Did someone think that Beck makes millions/year off of 100 or so people? We all know that the Koch brothers bussed a large number in. We all know that beck farts and a million people comment on it. We all know that his minions do as he says without question. Why is the crowd size a surprise to anyone? And finally, who gives a rodent's behind?

Numbers do not validate any thing he does. The numbers only prove what I have known for a long time. We are a nation of idiots. For every person that was there, you can bet that there were ten others that wanted to be. At the least that many. I pity our grandchildren for the backwards country they will live in.

Posted by: pastol | August 30, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

87K. Hey that twice the amount of people who watch MSNBC on a daily basis. The numbers represent absolutely nothing. There were obviously more then 87k but if that makes the left feel good then that's fine with me. Al Sharpton held his hate rally just a few blocks away. He was his usual devisive self. The man no longer represents anything good and he claims to be a minister. They seared high and low for one of Dr. King's family members and finally found Martin Luther King Jr III. Really says something about Sharptons influence these days. As a proud black American, I am ashamed of both the Rev Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They continue to tell our children what they can't do instead of what they can do. That worked in 1964. It does not work in 2010.

Posted by: Cobra2 | August 30, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

CBS report is untrue. Even MSNBC is saying that Glenn Beck rally got 500,000 people or MORE. Whoever did this estimate at CBS should be fired.

Posted by: xcef2008 | August 30, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

===========================

I agree. But, we need to remember CBS PAID for that low number.

The "BS" in CBS is important to remember.

For Progressive Socialists ANY lie that furthers their cause is justifiable. (That's just like Sharia law that allows for lying to achieve a goal.)

Posted by: bob59 | August 30, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

We'll see on Nov 2 Greg. Or should I say you will see.


Posted by: NelsonMuntz | August 30, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

No one dislikes Beck more than I, but this pissing match over the numbers is just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen adults do. Idiots can drive/fly/taxi/bus/walk just as easy as the brightest among us. Blacks, gays, whites, Hispanics; travel is as easy for one as the other. Did someone think that Beck makes millions/year off of 100 or so people? We all know that the Koch brothers bussed a large number in. We all know that beck farts and a million people comment on it. We all know that his minions do as he says without question. Why is the crowd size a surprise to anyone? And finally, who gives a rodent's behind?

Numbers do not validate any thing he does. The numbers only prove what I have known for a long time. We are a nation of idiots. For every person that was there, you can bet there were ten others that wanted to be. I pity our grandchildren for the backwards country they will live in.

Posted by: pastol | August 30, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm still waiting for any conservative to to give me one logical reason to vote conservative. And the conservative must be able to defend their position.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse


All, official Fox estimate just came in.

Somewhere around ONE BILLION came to see Beck. People were lined up all the way across the 14th street bridge into VA to see him.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 30, 2010 10:54 AM | Rep
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Actually there were closer to two billion if you count the billion that showed up at the Capitol in Seattle.

Posted by: kycol2 | August 30, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

No one dislikes Beck more than I, but this pissing match over the numbers is just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen adults do. Idiots can drive/fly/taxi/bus/walk just as easy as the brightest among us. Blacks, gays, whites, Hispanics; travel is as easy for one as the other. Did someone think that Beck makes millions/year off of 100 or so people? We all know that the Koch brothers bussed a large number in. We all know that beck farts and a million people comment on it. We all know that his minions do as he says without question. Why is the crowd size a surprise to anyone? And finally, who gives a rodent's behind?

Numbers do not validate any thing he does. The numbers only prove what I have known for a long time. We are a nation of idiots. For every person that was there, you can bet there were ten others that wanted to be. I pity our grandchildren for the backwards country they will live in.

Posted by: pastol | August 30, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Save The Rainforest,

So you cherry-pick one phrase out of MLK Jr's speech, but you deny the rest of what MLK Jr was about?

Where are you on unions, for example?

MLK Jr was assassinated in Memphis where he was supporting a local AFSCME chapter who had been striking for higher wages and better treatment.

Where are you on unions, Save The Rainforest? Are you with MLK Jr on unions or against him?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Greg you are sure a real leftist in reporter’s clothes, it is very obvious where your legions reside, being that the case, why are you interjecting your leftist views, why don't you just REPORT the NEWS and not your political objectives and talking points, if you are not willing to do that then keep your mouth shut you ignoramus.

Posted by: jhartnack | August 30, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Go back to the American Prospect, Adam. Maybe they're stooges who believe everything you say, but we're not. We know how to do our own homework.

Posted by: emacco | August 30, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Any estimates on how many were at the Sharpton March? Was Tawana Brawley there?

Posted by: bobbo2 | August 30, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

*** Yoohoo, Liam -- Americans haven't gotten their way.

If that had, the ObamaCare bill would now be sitting in a recycling bin.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 1:25 PM

.................

He delivered the Health Care bill that he campaigned on, and the voters gave him a very large mandate.

Elections count, and not what some pollster tells us, between elections.

The majority of voters got what they voted for, when it came to Mr. Obama delivering on Health Care reform.

If you want to change the Constitution, and legislate by polls, instead of having people cast votes, then start a movement to get that amendment passed.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The negros and the democrats ruined this country. Back has the guts to stand up to them.

Posted by: Phil5 | August 30, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"The elite ruling class uses propaganda via the news media, the entertainment media, the political arena, etc. to divide and cause infighting among the worker bee class."

Yes, yes dustyroad, we get it. Republicans are all about fighting for the worker bee class.

It's just that they define that to be those "worker bees" making over $250,000/yr and those that don't want any health or safety standards at work or don't want unemployment insurance or don't want safe foods to consume or don't want a decent public education or don't want decent health care coverage or don't have a pre-existing condition or don't want equal pay for equal work or don't want to make a living wage or don't need family leave or don't want to be sexually harassed or discriminated against, etc...

Yeah, if that's what you're looking for the Repubs are the party for you!

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What is Beck's radio and TV audience? Millions. And yeppers, that was a hell of a crowd to travel from all across the nation.

Obama ignored it? I guess that's consistent with ignoring white, non-union, non-academia, non-ambulance chasing lawyers, and the rest of the Obama special interests.

Leave it to the Sarge who takes orders from little Ezzie on his belief that nothing cannot be spun to advantage.

Sorry Ezzie and Sarge. Both of your Momma's were wrong.
.

Posted by: hz9604 | August 30, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Any estimates on how many were at the Sharpton March? Was Tawana Brawley there?

Posted by: bobbo2 | August 30, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg,
There is a chance, albeit slight, that conservatives have learned a lesson or two from their time in the wilderness, and won't spend like drunken sailors on shore leave once they get back in power. There is nothing, anywhere, that suggests that liberals have learned that lesson. That slight difference, with huge implications, is enough for me to vote conservative.

Please defend a reason or two for the liberal side, without using any of the following words: racism, wall st, bailouts, Bush, stimulus, global warming, or healthcare (though I doubt you'd try to use that abomination in an argument).

Posted by: bzod9999 | August 30, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Why did he pick the lowest estimate for the Million Man March?

Posted by: mypitts2 | August 30, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

If Beck wants to embrace King he should emprace the " Whole King" The Non Violent Ghandi King, The Thoreau King. The Acticist King, The Instigator King, The Ricerside Church King not just the tqo lines from the I Had a Dream Speech.
Posted by: Carprin
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Reasonable points, but King's own niece Alveda was there and SHE did not complain.
She was there because like King and like Palin, she is pro-life, an aspect of King which liberals seem not to remember. Also King was Christian, another aspect of King that liberals do not accept.

Also, it may be difficult to accept the whole of someone. Gandhi (note spelling) admired Tolstoy, and King admired Gandhi. But King did not adopt Gandhi's vegetarianism, and unlike Tolstoy, Gandhi did not write any novels.

Each accepted a part of the other but not the whole.

Posted by: rohit57 | August 30, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Three things:

I was a "marshal" at the 1963 March on Washington, with the assignment of moving the entertainers (Joan Baez, Woody Allen, Charlton Heston, Odetta, etc.) around from place to place. The size of the crowd at Glenn Beck's rally appeared to me to be as large if not larger than the size of the 1963 crowd.

Second, I don't have any knowledge regarding the financial support for the two events, but I do know that the pre-event media coverage of the earlier event was far greater (to the point of no comparison) than of the one this past Saturday, and I would bet the ranch that the planning and organization that went into the 1963 effort was far more widespread and elaborate.

Finally, The Post-event coverages (pun intended) of the two were far different. Back in 1963, the coverage was far more extensive and fact-based. I have yet to see an account in the Post (or the Times) that reports fully on what comprised the 2010 event or lays out who spoke and what they said in a straightforward manner.

The Post did its job in a far better manner during my youth. Now, the most accurately descriptive thing that can be said about its performance is that it gives sustenance to ongoing and growing America division. In short, it demeans us all.

Cheers,

Julian Tepper
Placitas, NM

Posted by: jutepper1 | August 30, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

While I may dislike Beck, the fact is there were far more than 300,000 at the rally. What purpose does it serve to lie, repeat the lie and lie again?

Posted by: simple809 | August 30, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg,
There is a chance, albeit slight, that conservatives have learned a lesson or two from their time in the wilderness, and won't spend like drunken sailors on shore leave once they get back in power.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Government spending is good and so is personal spending. American's through government spending and personal spending have created nation states in Iraq and created the world's No. 2 economy CHINA.

Perhaps you were referring to spending on social security or medicare. Its cheaper to have people on Medicare than going to emrgency rooms. For social security I'm glad I do not persoanlly have to support my parents and my own familiy.

Halting spending may make political sense but it makes no common sense.

I cannot vote conservative to get spending to stop. It would be an unwise vote.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I imagine the ~real~ numbers will show up when the dems lose the house and senate in November. All of those attendees will be accurately counted.

Except of course the dead and illegal alien dem voters.

Posted by: Straightline | August 30, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

funny how you would choose to compare this rally to King's when that was not the intent of the gathering and neglect to report there were more people in the port-o-potties at Becks than at Rev Al Sharpton's whinefest that smae day. Your bias is showing. So is your desparation.

Posted by: theduck6 | August 30, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The rightwing nutjobs notwithstanding, the company that estimates crowds from flyovers said there were between 78-86k people. Hardly an enormous crowd by any means. More people watch Big Ten football in 1 stadium alone throughout the fall. Even busing people in this is an irrelevant number. Beck & Palin prove that there appeal may be extreme, but only on the surface w/o much depth. 26% believe Palin could do a good job as President, 57% believe she would not. Goodbye GB & Sarah. I hope all the money you made from dolts keeps you warm in the winter! You are both losers!!!

Posted by: crossroadsnow | August 30, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

In 1995 Barack Obama attended the Nation of Islam (Louis Farrakhan) Million Man March.

The hate group watchdog center SPLC describes Nation of Islam as:

Ideology: Black Separatist

Since its founding in 1930, the Nation of Islam (NOI) has grown into one of the wealthiest and best-known organizations in black America, offering numerous programs and events designed to uplift African Americans. Nonetheless, it's bizarre theology of innate black superiority over whites — a belief system vehemently and consistently rejected by mainstream Muslims — and the deeply racist, anti-Semitic and homophobic rhetoric of its leaders, including top minister Louis Farrakhan, have earned the NOI a prominent position in the ranks of organized hate.

Posted by: fury60 | August 30, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The WaPo has lost some of my respect by printing a low-ball figure for this rally. Regardless of what a newspaper feels about and issue or public figure, I expect that something as simple as a crowd estimate to be made in good faith. The WaPo should not be sleeping with CBS, a network that has completely distroyed its credibility.

Posted by: concernedcitizen3 | August 30, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The WaPo has lost some of my respect by printing a low-ball figure for this rally. Regardless of what a newspaper feels about an issue or public figure, I expect that something as simple as a crowd estimate to be made objectively.

The WaPo should not be sleeping with CBS, a network that has completely lost its credibility.

Posted by: concernedcitizen3 | August 30, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The negros and the democrats ruined this country. Back has the guts to stand up to them.

Posted by: Phil5

________________

Damn those ungrateful darkies for building the economy of the south for 300 years and then complaining about their treatment under slavery and Jim Crow. They have their nerve, trying to get the same rights and opportunities as the master race. There is nothing more evil and treacherous than an uppity ni**er....

And the dems. FDR, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Obama all are closet commies trying to get the ghost of Stalin to control the government... Tip O'Neal brainwashed Reagan using commie tactics to get the pinko agenda passed on his watch. Jim Webb is actually controlled by the Vietnamese using a chip they implanted in him during a tour in Viet Nam....McCarthy was right!

//snark

Sigh.....

Posted by: srw3 | August 30, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

pastol:

Whether the crowd was 87,000 or 500,000 has some relevance to the thread question: "Was the Glenn Beck rally turnout really that impressive?" Did you know that $5 million was raised for charity at least?

Rocc00:

I graduated from Stanford Law, summa cum laude. How about you?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

You know the crowd was huge if the lib media is wringing its hands over the numbers. "Adjust for inflation"--LMAO. I knew libs had supple spines but this kind of bending over backwards defies the physical laws of this universe. You'll find out what numbers really mean when you all get pwned in November.

Posted by: kbarker302 | August 30, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"It is time that the democrats stop attacking the characters of people who disagree with them."

Sure thing. Why don't you talk to Bill Clinton about that? You all sure didn't go after him or his family personally at all, did you?


"By the way, Martin Luther King was a REPUBLICAN."

The fact that you throw that out there with little or no context speaks loudly about your intellectual honesty.

There's no evidence that he ever supported a Republican candidate, but if he did, it wouldn't be surprising. Many AAs were registered Republicans because it was the party of Lincoln. Then came the Civil Rights Movement and most abandoned the Republicans when the Dems began championing the cause.

If you truly believe that MLK, Jr. would be a member of a political party that championed the Southern Strategy then you're not just intellectualy dishonest, you're delusional.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing that all you Rabid Right Wingers are trying to compare the MLK attendance figures to those that Beck drew on Saturday.

For starters; the vast majority of those who attended the MLK rally, were drawn from the African American Community, a small minority segment of the population, at that time. Beck had a much larger pool of White people to draw from. Probably, at least ten times as large a pool. Furthermore, the African American community of 1963 was mostly impoverished, and could not afford to make the trip to DC or pay for accommodations.

Cut out the nonsense. The African American population of the Southern states were still being segregated, and having dogs and water cannons turned on them, if they even tried to get a meal at a Woolworths lunch counter.

They were striving for to finally be treated as full human beings.

Their cause was just and great, while Beck and Palin were just two Fox Cable performers, organizing a giant publicity stunt.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@ jharveinseattle | August 30, 2010 1:25 PM:

Oh, cool! Thanks very much for the link.

That's actually a much better angle than the photos I was looking at in my Giant's stadium experiment (see above, somewhere). In the photo's taken from the Washington monument it looked like the crowd in that field off to the south of the reflecting pool thinned out a tad less on the east end. But from this angle it's clear that 100k would probably be on the high side.

I can totally buy that 87000 estimate based on these. Thanks again.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Well folks, you've seen the aerial views of the event. Now, who are you going to believe, the Wapo or your lying eyes?

Posted by: allamer1 | August 30, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Libs should have attended Becks rally. They are in dire need of some restored honor.

Posted by: Straightline | August 30, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

You should be fired for your bias and lies This makes the Washington Post look like a rag Your a joke

Posted by: JoeAmerican100 | August 30, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Can't you judge the size of the crowd by the traffic on the roads or Metro? Were there buses parked at RFK?

Or better ask Metro for load count. Of course they did open the gates at some stations because of back-ups.

Posted by: samf911 | August 30, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"What purpose does it serve to lie, repeat the lie and lie again?"

Well, it sure seemed to work in the run-up to the Iraq War.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The real irony is that we have a bunch of anti-government, anti-Socialist "activists" using publicly funded transportation to attend an event at a publicly funded park being patrolled by publicly funded police working overtime, thanks to their union-negotiated contract.

Posted by: js_edit | August 30, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hitler at Nuremberg: Restore Germany

Beck at Washington: Restore America

Scary thought!

Why doesn't Beck & Palin just sign up for military service and lead the way for us.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Great article, Mr. Sargent, I totally agree that Democrats are falling for it and giving Beck more clout that he actually has. Is this perhaps the reason why Obama himself seems to be ignoring Beck?

Posted by: araque | August 30, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent who lived in DC for over 10 years, and I watched the rally on C-Span Saturday. I told my guests watching with me that from the shots I saw there were about 100,000 folks there. From experience, I know when you are on the Mall it feels like a lot more. But, as they say, you can have your own opinion, but not your own facts. This is from someone who did the actual work in getting the estimate: http://stevedoig.com/archives/250

Posted by: only1cb | August 30, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2 @ August 30, 2010 2:08 PM wrote "Did you know that $5 million was raised for charity at least?"

That is not quite correct: $5 or so million was raised, but no charity will collect a penny, till after the expenses are paid for. Both Beck and Palin (as well as others) are getting paid top dollar for their appearances. Noone donated anything.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | August 30, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse


Al Sharpton had an even bigger black population to draw on than King did in 1963, but Al Sharpton's "me too" pep rally only drew a few hundred DC locals. Sharton's march did not even fill the parking lot of the north DC high school where it originated.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Still no conservative has given me one reason they can support for me to vote conservative. Just one is all I need!

We just tackled spending.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Are you sure it wasn't 81 million people at the Obammy rally? Maybe 810 million? Come on, what a pathetic attempt to run down a movement, no matter what the size.

Posted by: mitch52 | August 30, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Phil5:

I agree that Democrats have ruined this country.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

screwjob21,

What's your point in attacking Al Sharpton?

Is it because he's black?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg:

Abortion rights.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@ Liam-still | August 30, 2010 2:10 PM:

It's funnier still when you look at the photos of the MLK event and the same area is ~easily~ twice as packed as it was for this event, and attendance estimates for the MLK rally ran from like 185,000 to 250,000. But in the mind of what passes for a "conservative" these days, you put half as many people in that same space and somehow that works out to 500k.

Of course we ~are~ talking about people who thought you could balance the federal budget by handing out trillions in tax cuts, so probably it's not so surprising that they might have a little trouble with this kind of thing. Arithmetic doesn't actually seem to be their strongest subject.

Posted by: CalD | August 30, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It is time to permanently dismiss Democrats from U.S. politics.

We can choose from among Libertarians, Republicans, Constitutionalsits, etc. when they are forgotten.

But we need to unify and dismiss the Democrats first.

Leftists had have more than their share of chances, and have completely discredited their philosophies.

Posted by: MKS1 | August 30, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

RESTORE AMERICA

The New United States Constitution will be unveiled by the Republicans following their wins in November:

In order to form more perfect union the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

Amendment 1

The right of women to vote and have abortions shall be illegal.

Amendment 2

The rights of property owners shall be decided by the crowd.

Amendment 3

All spending by Democrats must be paid for. All spending by Republicans need not be paid for.

Amendment 4

Jesus shall be the national symbol.

Amendment 5

Inter-racial marriages shall be illegal.

Amendment 6

Gay and Lesbian marriages shall be illegal.

Amendment 7

Illegal aliens shall be placed in Ghettos awaiting the Final Solution.

Amendment 8 (Talibangelical Amendment)

Only blue-eyed blonde Protestant Christians shall be a citizen of the US.

Amendment 9 (Zerological Amendment)

All citizens and others will be required to kneel in the direction of Ground Zero twice a day at prescribed hours and pray.

Amendment 10 (DUH Amendment)

Being a red-neck hick is in.

Amendment 11

Salmonella, Oil Spills, and Financial Collapses being good for the nation, free enterprise will be free of regulation.

Amendment 12

Women shall be kept barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.

Amendment 13
Social Security and Medicare shall be reduced by 30% and privatized.

Amendment 14

Opposition parties shall be illegal.

Amendment 15

Redistribution of American wealth shall continue to China, India, Mexico, and Muslim Nations.

Amendment 16

Redistribution of American wealth to other Americans shall be declared illegal.

Amendment 17

Christianity shall be observed, but not followed.

Signed in the Year of Jesus 2010
at
Boehner, DC

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse


Beck's "I HAVE A SCHEME!" Rally for the WTP White Tea Party (read KKK).

Anti-black, anti-hispanic, anti-moslem... not really the teaching of Jesus.

Posted by: kkrimmer | August 30, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

ADAM SERWER WAS A MEMBER OF THE JOURN-O-LIST ... What else do you need to know.

Posted by: NE1Listening | August 30, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

While I may dislike Beck, the fact is there were far more than 300,000 at the rally. What purpose does it serve to lie, repeat the lie and lie again?

Posted by: simple809 | August 30, 2010 2:02 PM
================================

...... Yeah its the same thing our dirty left-wing press did to Bush.....

"Bush lie and mislead America in going to war with Iraq" .........BIG LIE

It's clear America's MEDIA is in the tank for the Democrat Party.......and that HAS! to change........

First political power......then a FAIRNESS DOCTRINE for TV/Cable and Newspapers.......

Posted by: allenridge | August 30, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Al Sharpton is not a major civil rights leader. He is a self promotor, just like Glenn Beck is. Furthermore, no one even heard about the Sharpton protest rally until very recently, where as Beck has been promoting his rally, over the national airwaves, for many months.

Whites still out number Black people by a vast margin, so Beck would have to outdrawn Dr. King, by a factor of at least five or six to one, to be considered comparable to the 1963 turn out of African Americans, while they were impoverished and still oppressed, particularly in the Southern States.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse


The Special Operations Warrior Foundation NETTED a more than $5 million donation. That was NET -- after all rally expenses were already subtracted. Sarah Palin did not charge a speaking fee for Beck's Rally but there were still expenses.

After all the Rally expenses were subtracted, SOWF got more than $5 million. Don't know how to state it more clearly than that.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

AMviennaVA:

You are not quite correct. I personally donated $10 straight to Special Operations Warrior Fund -- which provides a college education to every child of a Special Forces soldier killed in the line duty -- it also provides immediate financial assistance to the families of those Special Forces killed in combat.

If you would rather donate by mail, please make checks payable to SOWF and send to:

SOWF
C/O Mercury Radio Arts
1270 Avenue of the Americas, 9th Floor
NY, NY 10020

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Did the money donated to the rally by the attendees and others pay for it? Was there money left over?

It was reported Beck and other principals did not spend any of their own money on the rally.

Posted by: Spectator | August 30, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


WHY has no historian
pointed out what the FOUNDING FATHERS wouldve though of Glenn Beck?

He has no comprehension of their values. He thinks a 3 word explanation of any subject makes him an expert, generations of study, supreme court deliverations notwithstanding.

He's a pure idiot. The WORRISOME THING is that even 87,000 people belive his childish
prattle. Are we THAT uneducated and stupid?

PS check to see what others with his particular body type have turned out to be.

Posted by: whistling | August 30, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Beck's "I HAVE A SCHEME!" Rally for the WTP White Tea Party (read KKK).

Anti-black, anti-hispanic, anti-moslem... not really the teaching of Jesus.

Posted by: kkrimmer | August 30, 2010 2:28 PM
====================================

......LOL ! another liberal nut........

Marin Luther King Jr niece spoke at the BECK event not Al's.........seek help

Posted by: allenridge | August 30, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

MLK's niece does not speak for MLK, any more than Clarence Thomas does.

She was never involved in the Civil Rights struggle.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

the reason the crazies say it was so large is they are counting the little voices in their heads, 87,000 times gazillion it is.

Posted by: calif-joe | August 30, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


Leftist WaPo hacks for the past three days made a huge thing about Al Sharpton and his "counter rally". At the end of the day Sharpton and his gang drew a paltry few hundred.

Unlike the Beck rally that took no notice of Al Sharpton, Sharpton specifically attacked Beck and the 500,000 people who attended his rally.

Look at the photos that WaPo hacks took of the Sharpton event -- stll there. They take wide angle shots from waist level to make Sharpton the buffoon and his handful of marchers appear "big".

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Instead of demonizing the professionals who do the crowd estimates, the wingnuts should just have Fox News run some footage of some of the old 1960s anti-war demonstrations. These were huge. And the fake footage made the wingnuts happy the last time Hannity pulled this stunt.

Posted by: Deirdre_K | August 30, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

November's elections will be interesting. Republicans are attracting every uneducated hic throughout the nation. But the Republicans aren't tellling their followers that they (the Republicans) are working hard to keep their followers wages suppressed and Chinses wages inflated.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

@Maddog: Fantastic!

A couple suggestions:

The national symbol should be Supply Side Jesus just so people don't get confused about that whole "help the poor" malarkey. (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Supply-side_Jesus)

And I think an exception to Amendment 16 is in order: "Amendment 16: Redistribution of American wealth to other Americans shall be declared illegal unless you reside in Alaska upon which it will then be declared to be part of your frontier-style rugged individualism."

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse


To answer the question-was the Beck rally on the Mall impressive.

Sure.

Train wrecks are not-to-be-missed events.

15 to 20,000 tops (that range includes the counter demonstrators.)

Posted by: Tempest1 | August 30, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"It is time to permanently dismiss Democrats from U.S. politics."

How do you plan on doing that MKS1?

Aren't I entitled to freedom of speech and assembly in the USA?

Or are you just showing that you truly don't believe in the Constitution?

Conservatives have really shown their true colors in this debate.

Not ONE of them has a rational policy proposal.

One person suggested we have a military coup in the USA because the military is the only trustworthy group.

Another suggested that "Negros" are causing the downfall of America.

Another used MLK's speech to promote a conservative philosophy that MLK most likely would have rejected outright.

Conservative Americans...

...They say they love "America" but it turns out that they really just love conservatism and hate modern America for what it really is.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse


Nobody has noticed?

Both BEck and Palin PULLED THEIR PUNCHES in the days before the rally.

They had promised lots of polibical stuff, damaging Obama stuff, change in the world, '"great things to happen in 12 hours"

but settled for a rant on returning to religion and talking about the heroism of the military. THERE was no meat.

It was a joke, a 87,000 bungled joke.
Nobody needs to believe the huge amouts of money it supposedly raised. BS. Let's see the proof.

Posted by: whistling | August 30, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable! There had to be at least 300,000 at that rally. But you really missed the whole point of the rally. You have a sick agenda. Why does the left always bring up race? Can't you all see how you are causing all the hate? Anyway, your gig is almost over....Nov 2!!!!!

Posted by: James002 | August 30, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

crossroadsnow:

If it was 500,000 in attendance, would that change your opinion? Have you seen these pictures of the crowd, especially the second one from the air? What percentage of Americans thought that Obama would be a good President on August 30, 2006?

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/44950/

NE1Listening:

That's all that I need to know.

Maddogg:

So, you lied when you said that no conservative has ever given you a reason we vote for a conservative?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

All this laughing at--or with--Beck will have its resolution in November, won't it? Either the country will say, "Enough" or it will say, "More, please." Whatever happens, it's not about Glenn Beck or those who favor him--or those who don't. It's about what "We the People" want. Stay tuned, everyone.

Posted by: jwebb41 | August 30, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Whoever did this estimate at CBS should be fired "...I like your comment. However, why would someone get fired for doing their job. With CBS being of the "liberal main stream media", I'm sure it was their intent to misrepresent the actual numbers that turned out for the event. I also find it somewhat offensive that Adam Serwer would use Louis Farrakhan and Martin Luther King in the same article whether directly comparing the two or not. MLK was a great and passionate man with a purpose as where Farrakhan is a very dangerous radical pyschopath. I also have to disagree with the way he tries to portray MLK as some far left leader. It amazes me how so many people like to make up their own facts and twist them to fit their needs. There is ample historical data out there that stongly supports MLK's beliefs being much more in line with the Republican party at that time. Unless everything written for us all to see is just a lie, MLK strongly backed the "less government and more rights for the people" endorsement. I'm sure I'll get flamed for bringing that up simply because the left wingers don't want to admit that one of the most influential African American men of all time was not on their side. As for this "What I don't understand is why liberals keep indulging him with their outrage" remark, maybe its because those liberals who think they are far superior both academically and intellectually to the rest of us, are too dumb to know when to stop taking the bait!

Posted by: NationUnited | August 30, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Turnout smaller than the wackos had hoped. Beck's offering met the most lame of expectations.

Posted by: jimsteinberg1 | August 30, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm a first time commenter and I was not sent by any right wing propaganda machine. I was curious to see what the Post says about the rally.

I am shocked to see that this story was on front page. This just shows that the Post is out of touch with it's subscribers. I'm sure the bailout for them is coming though!!

Posted by: jamgdurrett | August 30, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Beck's Rally- 1,000 ppl? 87,000 ppl? The Reflecting Pool holds 200,000. Field across holds 250,000. Field behind him was full and the crowd was approaching the Washington Monument. A fair assessment is 600,000. It's ok to hate him and everything he's about, but we should always be fair. Is he perfect? Of course not. Are you? Is he just an American trying to tell us the truth? Yes. He's a whole lot more transparent than this administration. "If you want to know what's in the bill, you have to sign it." Please.

Posted by: gmas4bgsrgr8 | August 30, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I live in DC and stopped by to see what was going on. There were a lot of people, but no where close to the numbers some are throwing out there. I've been to several rallies and it is always hard to say how many people attended. I would say it was close to 100K. I've seen much larger events on the mall.

One thing I did notice was the lack of diversity (mainly white) in the crowd and everyone looked the same. No one stood out...kinda sad.

I'm a white guy and a moderate thinker...not liberal here :)

Posted by: DCJUSTICE | August 30, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

If the crowd was less than 100,000, that would be LESS than "I Have a Dream" speech; if it was more than 300,000, then it would be MORE. Numbers do not lie.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I live in DC and stopped by to see what was going on. There were a lot of people, but no where close to the numbers some are throwing out there. I've been to several rallies and it is always hard to say how many people attended. I would say it was close to 100K. I've seen much larger events on the mall.

One thing I did notice was the lack of diversity (mainly white) in the crowd and everyone looked the same. No one stood out...kinda sad.

I'm a white guy and a moderate thinker...not liberal here :)

Posted by: DCJUSTICE | August 30, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't the Military be taken care of the families of the fallen or the permanently disabled. Why are they having to rely on donations to Glen Beck?

Shame on all you phony sunshine patriots, hiding behind your lapel flag pins. If you really cared about the fallen warriors, you would be demanding that government take full care of all their families, instead of humiliating them, by asking for handouts for them, through the likes of Glenn Beck.

You never see any fund raising calls, from Glenn Beck, to help out the likes of Halliburton. They make a killing off of wars, while those that do the actual fighting and dying, get told to rely on the spin of the charity roulette table.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

DCJUSTICE:

What was the "diversity" like on-stage? What was the "diversity" like at Sharpton's counter-protest?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"It would be nice if they came up with some new materia"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha! If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black.........All we've heard from the left wingers for the past 18 months is.."it's Bush's fault" or, "you're a racist"! Now you tell me who needs to come up with some new material!!!!

Posted by: NationUnited | August 30, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

As was expected, the rally was much ado about nothing.

Posted by: lddoyle2002 | August 30, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The Beck Rally proved one very important point. "How many Gullible FOOLS can you get on the Mall for an event. I can't wait to hear the real numbers.

Posted by: austininc4 | August 30, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse


"I live in DC and only saw 25 people at Beck's rally"

- Some leftist chowderhead

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

To one who has spent time there, it looked a good size Mall crowd from the various shot angles.

Exaggerating it either way as an estimate of the political weight of the views expressed is about as sensible as arguing over cable news channel ratings, when most of the American electorate doesn't have time or care to attend political rallies and doesn't tune into cable news except on the occasion of, for example, a natural disaster promising lots and lots of dead bodies.

In then end, the organizers were so intent upon keeping down the vituperative hand-made signs and ugly from-the-gut cat-calls that are the very stuff of "Tea Party" excitement, for both the enthusiastic right and the horrified left, that the rally was pretty much a non-event.

So a lot of white folks had fun in the sun feeling good about being Christian and pro-military -- not a bad thing, all in all -- especially as all were compelled to pay at least pro forma homage to King.

Posted by: washpost29 | August 30, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

The government does not (nor should it, except for the service academies) pay for the COLLEGE EDUCATION of the children of fallen troops.

whistling:

It's not just 87,000 (or 300,000). 59,948,323 of us voted for Palin last time around ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 ???


Unions ??? When was the last time you heard a Martin Luther King Day talking about unions??


Games games games.

Obama has a real problem with the Iraq Victory Speech.


Is Obama going to say that there was good reason to go into Iraq - and the war was a SUCCESS in PREVENTING terrorist attacks on US soil.


Everyone knows Saddam had chemical weapons - and the danger was that Saddam would give chemical weapons to terrorists for use in US cities.


Is Obama going to say that was a SUCCESS ??


Obama has to be honest, that he preferred to be against the war, and Obama preferred to LEAVE THIS COUNTRY OPEN TO CHEMICAL ATTACKS BY TERRORISTS IN US CITIES.


Then Obama has to be honest and say he was against the Surge.

Anything less than Obama giving George Bush proper credit in his speech will cause political problems for Obama, and Obama will sink further in the polls.

Will Obama's arrogance prevail ???


Or will Obama give George Bush proper credit ???

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Republican Logic

Beck, Palin, and McCain want to end entitlements like social security and medicare.

Their purpose behind this logic is to have the children pickup the tab for their elder parents retirement and medical expense. The children do not know this as McCain, Palin, and Beck remain silent for reason. So in the end the children will actually pay a double whammy...more than they would with social secuirty and medicare deductions. BRILLIANT!

Republicans have called the TARP and Stimulus a great success as none (not one) has called for them to be rescinded and to have the economy reset to late 2008….in order for Republicans to DO IT RIGHT!

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! I was at the rally. Washington DC ought to be ashamed the way they slowed down and even closed the rail system. It did not dampen the spirit of us who continue to pray for our leaders and America. God continue to bless and protect not only those like Beck, but those who adhere to the God given rights and blessings He lavishes on those who are humbly obedient to His Word. The very thing our forefathers set our government on! I cannot imagine the look on those when Christ returns! Will it be fear, or excitement! Please TRY to report the truth, not your opinions!

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Um, Christ, Jesus or whoever isn't returning.

Posted by: dcp26851 | August 30, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse


"I support the troops until it comes time to give them something."

- Your typical leftist

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The Goverment should pay for the education of the Children of the fallen.

What ever happened to the Right Wing Mantra; When a soldier goes to war, his entire family does.

Why do Right Wingers hate the families of the Fallen Warriors, and insist that they rely on Charity.

I say that when a soldier gives his life, for his country, then his country should take care of his family, all the way,until they graduate from college.

It would still cost less, than Right Wingers have been eager to pay out to the Halliburton Mercenaries.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"Or will Obama give George Bush proper credit ???"

For what? F'ing it up so bad the first time that the surge became necessary? "Yay! Yay! W! Thank you so much for being such an incompetent putz that we're barely getting out of there 7 yrs after you declared "mission accomplished"!"

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

dcp26851:

You'd better hope so!

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Methinks Adam Serwer doth protest too much. It is to be expected from someone who normally writes for "The American Prospect". From their web site: "The Prospect was founded in 1990 by Robert Kuttner, Robert Reich, and Paul Starr as an authoritative magazine of liberal ideas, committed to a just society, an enriched democracy, and effective liberal politics." If Serwer and this article leaned any further to the left, they would fall over. Typical WaPo tripe.

Posted by: John74 | August 30, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I've had a thought...Tea Party is trying to have their own 60's decade..they didn't participate then (altho most are old enough) because they didn't agree with the civil rights/antiwar themes of the new left but they loved the party, the narcissism so prevalent then. This was their "clean for Gene" moment. They left their guns and obnoxious signs at home and behaved themselves for once...wink wink. And they, the leaderless uprising of the masses, listen to their new messiah talk...and talk...and talk...soooo long! Beck reminded me of a guy who bridges those eras, and I won't engage in nazi baiting commentary here. The long winded rant, the disciplined adoring masses, the faux patriotism...I couldn't avoid the similarity to Fidel Castro!

Posted by: mfkpadrefan | August 30, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Beck, McConnell, Boehner need to be arrested before they infect the nation with stupidity. Call in the CDC.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

First, i would like to thank Greg Sargent for taking a long overdo vacation. I'd like to encourage him to extend that golfing holiday indefinitely. Build a cabin in the rough perhaps, and entertain your hero, the "Imam" Soetoro, and spend idylic intellectual afternoons finding more things to blame Bush for (remember that flat tire you got 6 years ago - Bush!!!!!! for certain), and co-authoring a book on the "recovery summer", which as we all know saved at least 500 million jobs.

But on to the genius of the moment, Adam Serwer. (obviously a misspelling - a stray "r" managed to invade his name somehow). I've looked carefully at the photos, and I can tell you that most of the people at Beck's rally were simply there having a picnic. No more than 15 or 16 were there for Beck. As for his similarly suntanned 'brutha's' (Sharpton) rally - well there were certainly several million there - almost all non black. I think obviously Adam Sewer is as usual, and just like his hero, the "haemorhoid-in-chief" just being modest, with his numbers.
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"Democrats are going to get shellacked in November ........." as "a testament to the enduring mistrust people have for Republicans "

The 'Sewer" is walking proof of the failure of the American educational system (did he graduate, or was he thrown out??), and one more casualty inflicted on America from Afirmative Action. It is obvius that the 'sewer rat' is amongst the 95% of blacks who voted for their 'great black HOPE' in 08 - not because they are racists, but because of their obvious intellectual superiority.

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"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president."

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Trouble with the above quote is that America may NOT survive Obama (Barry SDoetoro). Too many intellectual fringe dwellers ou their like our friend here Adam Sewer.

Posted by: armagedon | August 30, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

As I said, the FEDERAL government should not (except for the service academies and ROTC) pay for the COLLEGE EDUCATION of the children of fallen troops or anyone else. See: Constitution, U.S.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Many people at the really were not there to support the Tea Party, but they went to "people watch" or otherwise observe; thus, it will be impossible to say how many actual Tea Party activists attended. I would tend to trust the professional crowd estimate company than any guesstimate by Beck or other talking-head/politician (regardless of party affiliation). (As always, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.)

Posted by: nathanaevans | August 30, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Well the fact your sentence started with, "CBS hired a company to estimate the crowd size..." pretty much immediately excludes it from any rational argument.

If CBS hires crowd estimators the way the weight the party affiliation in their political polls, you can pretty much discount the outcome.

Still it doesn't surprise me a left-wing zealot as yourself would pick the LOWEST estimate given by anyone and run with that.

Posted by: mitchellvii | August 30, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Will Right Wingers give The Sunni Awakening enough credit for having figured out, that the best way for to get rid of the Americans was to stop fighting them, and then they could resume their civil war, after the Americans were gone.

That is about to unfold. Notice the Surge in terrorist bombings, all across Iraq, in recent times.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by hannah16:

"I also thought Palin's comments regarding being the mother of a vet and being somehow unapologetic for it were interesting."

Too bad her son who became a combat vet only after he was forced to join the service or go to jail when he and three of his friends vandalized over a hundred school buses in Anchorage.

Posted by: Prakosh | August 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Many people at the really were not there to support the Tea Party, but they went to "people watch" or otherwise observe; thus, it will be impossible to say how many actual Tea Party activists attended. I would tend to trust the professional crowd estimate company than any guesstimate by Beck or other talking-head/politician (regardless of party affiliation). (As always, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle.)

Posted by: nathanaevans | August 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

" I do not like Beck, but see no reason to deceive myself -- or others"...that is the most reasonable statement posted on this thread so far. If we all had that mindset then we wouldn't continue to divide our nation between the radical leftist and the crazy right wingers. We could finally all meet somewhere in the middle and get this country on the right path. As it is now, it will only continue it's nose dive because there is far too much arrogance, corruption and deceit amongst those who think they know what is best for all of us!

Posted by: NationUnited | August 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Q - Will Boehner get off the booze and attend AA meetings if he becomes speaker?

A - Not likely. Conservatives like boozers. They voted Bush in twice solely because he is an alcoholic. Bush fit the dysfunctional lifestyle prevalent in conservative circles.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it really make how many were there? It was a peaceful gathering of like-minded citizens to come together and pray, recognize some outstanding citizens and warriors, and raise $ for an honorable charity. $5 million net in a day is amazing, and I was glad to be a part of it. There were NO arrests and the city wasn't left having to clean up a huge mess like some other events. The inauguration comes to mind.

It leaves me with just one question...what are you naysayers so afraid of?

Posted by: gmas4bgsrgr8 | August 30, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Their turn out, as well as their rhetoric, is what one would expect of the re-relaunched christian right.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | August 30, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

What the flip is the difference how many showed. Hey, Sharpton was in a heavy black and Democrat community and couldn't muster enough bodies for a half court basketball game. Race played a part, as every idiot and his brother was yelling 'racism' before the dang thing happened. But...Beck drew a crowd! Wouldn't the question be 'where were the Sharpton folks that live right in the area' if count was important. What garbage reporting!

Posted by: gunnysgt77 | August 30, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg:

Of course, I think that most Democrats should be arrested (or sent to Gitmo at least ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

More than 250K? Oh yes and thats includes the passengers from the Alien mother ship docked at the Washington Monument.
Earth to Beck: Working for Rupert doesn't give you an automatic pass to Lie in public (or does it?).

Posted by: oregonbirddog | August 30, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse


"I won't donate a dime to OWSF -- military orphans' college should be paid for with Other People's Money."

- Some leftist

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

A Prayer Meeting run by two Fox Cable Performers? Really. If people needed to travel to DC to pray in front of those two, they should go back home and fire all their pastors, and shut down all their local churches, since clearly they are not accomplishing anything.

In fact; Glenn Beck said as much, when he said that American need to restore it's honor, and get on God's side.

That was Glenn Beck saying that all the clergy and local churches have failed, and have been taking people's money, for nothing.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I think there were a couple more blacks at King's speech.

Posted by: password11 | August 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Why waste the space with this left wing hatchet job--300K came to the event...Get OVER IT. Cheers my little bitter liberal friends.

Posted by: MPNangle | August 30, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

" I do not like Beck, but see no reason to deceive myself -- or others"...that is the most reasonable statement posted on this thread so far. If we all had that mindset then we wouldn't continue to divide our nation between the radical leftist and the crazy right wingers. We could finally all meet somewhere in the middle and get this country on the right path. As it is now, it will only continue it's nose dive because there is far too much arrogance, corruption and deceit amongst those who think they know what is best for all of us!

Posted by: NationUnited
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I agree. It is similar to let's give Hitler the Sudentanland and we will have peace in our day.

People like Beck need to exposed. They hide behind Democracy for evil purposes.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

This story underscores the issues we have with journalism today. You can't trust anybody to give you the truth. This writing has an obvious agenda just as the there was an agenda thrust out in the Shirley Sherrod dust up. But there were clearly more people at the rally than there is at Redskins' home game. But to try to downplay the event by throwing out stupidly low numbers is downright idiotic. If you want to downplay the message or what the event actually accomplished, by all means be my guest.

Now to the actual event. I've been a moderate Republican for 30+ years but that is coming to an end (I didn't vote Republican in the last Presidential election, the first time I had abandoned the party, so you could say it may already be at an end). They are running away from my core beliefs at a break-neck pace. Unfortunately, the Democrats are running nearly as fast away from me in the other direction. In their respective attempts to have as little in common with each other as possible they are leaving me out in the cold and America hanging out to dry.

Posted by: ouvan59 | August 30, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse


Maybe CBS should hire an expert to study why 88% of their employees' campaign contributions in 2008 went to Democrats.

Posted by: screwjob21 | August 30, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"See: Constitution, U.S."

I don't see anything about VA benefits in the constitution...are you against that too? What about PX privileges? Housing allowances? Retirement? The entire GI Bill?

I'd like to know, really. I had an uncle who gave his life in the line of duty in the '50s during a training accident. My father is retired army...I was actually born in Panama while my father was stationed there. I grew up living in army housing, receiving army medical care, going to pools and bowling alleys on base...are you against all of those? Should we have been denied those things because they're not explicitly detailed in the constitution? C'mon Jake, let us know....how much do you really support the troops?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

When the Liberal hacks that write for the Washington Post are confronted by an uncomfortable truth, they resort to pulling rigged numbers (CBS estimates) out of a hat.
Coming up with a fairly accurate estimate of crowd size, from an aerial photo like the one published in the Washington Post, is not a difficult task, even if one has had the disadvantage of a Liberal "math soft" education. The length of the reflecting pool is known. Measuring the width of the closely concentrated crowd on both side is also not difficult. Estimating the average space taken up by each person in the crowd is not difficult. Using conservative (oh my) figures, you will arrive a crowd size of over 300,000 which does not include a considerable number of people who were outside the area of measurement. That is larger than the King crowd which was estimated at about 250,000.
When Liberals take a poll, they go to a friendly area and keep taking samples until they get the results they need.
Would the writer of this article care to give the methodology and mathematical basis for the CBS figures? Or is that a secret?

Posted by: observer1776 | August 30, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Beck is odd. Here he is holding a charity benefit for the troops, while at the same time wanting to deny charity to others. Even if its government spending its still charity of the whole.

Becks a lunatic!

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

When the Liberal hacks that write for the Washington Post are confronted by an uncomfortable truth, they resort to pulling rigged numbers (CBS estimates) out of a hat.
Coming up with a fairly accurate estimate of crowd size, from an aerial photo like the one published in the Washington Post, is not a difficult task, even if one has had the disadvantage of a Liberal "math soft" education. The length of the reflecting pool is known. Measuring the width of the closely concentrated crowd on both side is also not difficult. Estimating the average space taken up by each person in the crowd is not difficult. Using conservative (oh my) figures, you will arrive a crowd size of over 300,000 which does not include a considerable number of people who were outside the area of measurement. That is larger than the King crowd which was estimated at about 250,000.
When Liberals take a poll, they go to a friendly area and keep taking samples until they get the results they need.
Would the writer of this article care to give the methodology and mathematical basis for the CBS figures? Or is that a secret?

Posted by: observer1776 | August 30, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Liberals clearly have entered a phase where their sympathies are with what they call "people of color" rather than white people. Even for white liberals, whites are viewed as oppressors of blacks and increasingly of dark-skinned immigrants, to wit, Mexicans who enter the US illegally. Recently muslims have been added to the liberals' list of oppressed people. The writer prefers to identify himself an American and put aside his melanin count. But he is what liberals call a "person of color." I am happy to say that in my long life "white" people have been no problem, far from it. The overwhelming majority of them have treated me simply as a fellow American. The Democrat party to which I belonged for decades has become a party too focused on skin color- in a cynical attempt to create more victim classes and hence more voters for Democrats. That ploy is contemptable. And unamerican.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 30, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Liberals clearly have entered a phase where their sympathies are with what they call "people of color" rather than white people. Even for white liberals, whites are viewed as oppressors of blacks and increasingly of dark-skinned immigrants, to wit, Mexicans who enter the US illegally. Recently muslims have been added to the liberals' list of oppressed people. The writer prefers to identify himself an American and put aside his melanin count. But he is what liberals call a "person of color." I am happy to say that in my long life "white" people have been no problem, far from it. The overwhelming majority of them have treated me simply as a fellow American. The Democrat party to which I belonged for decades has become a party too focused on skin color- in a cynical attempt to create more victim classes and hence more voters for Democrats. That ploy is contemptable. And unamerican.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 30, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

87,000...even if the turnout was that low, it's still about 1000 times more than those that showed up for the "spread out the line" contra-march folks following the Reverand Al.

Posted by: jahoby | August 30, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It appears that part of Beck's "problem" is that he is white. Since when has being white become anathema to liberals?

Posted by: mhr614 | August 30, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the 87K estimate is probably pretty accurate. It just isn't what Beck/Palin fans want to hear.

Posted by: gce1356 | August 30, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Pretty amazing how many conservatives are here to attack Al Sharpton.

The guy was just trying to commemorate one of the best speeches in American history, by Martin Luther King Jr.

Maybe he should apologize to white conservatives for wanting to honor an American Hero?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans overwhelmingly reject the idea they should pick up the medical expenses and retirement of their parents if social secuity and medicare are suddenly ended.

Now we are getting somewhere, hey Beck?

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

It is very enlightening to see that the Democrats, a party that pretends to be "post-racial", depends so much on division. The only people who cannot see that they are shamelessly used by the Democrats are people of"color" themselves. I guess handouts given by the Democrats are more important than honor and independence.

Posted by: mhr614 | August 30, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The CBS guy will get a promotion for fake estimates.

The crowd was one of the biggest, if not the biggest ever, on the mall.

But wait 'til the left wing crowd gets stomped in the Nov. elections. CBS won't be able to fake those numbers.

Posted by: inoue | August 30, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I was in Grant Park on Nov. 4th, 2008, the energy was electric, you could see it on the faces in the crowd, and hear it in the video clips from it. Change was in the air!

I watched the Glenn Beck church revival Saturday, and most of the people looked in need of an electric shock to get their hearts beating. And the only change most of them needed was their Depends.

Posted by: AverageJane | August 30, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"The only people who cannot see that they are shamelessly used by the Democrats are people of"color" themselves. I guess handouts given by the Democrats are more important than honor and independence. "

Right. Go tell that to Michael Steele.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"I support the troops until it comes time to give them something."

- Your typical leftist
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Actually, it's Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld who sent troops into Iraq and Afghanistan without the equipment they needed. Much of the catching up and revamping of vet benefits has been due to Dems -- people like Sen. Jim Webb of VA.

Posted by: gce1356 | August 30, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

What Beck is doing is hiding behind MLK and the troops. Beck needs to come out of hiding!

Ya wanna take me on in a debate?

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Liam- You'd better check up on Mormonism before casting your inaccurate dispersions! They do indeed believe in Jesus Christ as Son of God and Personal Savior. Another one of Obama's misguided notions- "collective" salvation. No such thing.
And as for yesterday's invocation, praying for Jews and Gentiles, my religious teachings are that Jews are God's Chosen people, and Gentiles are grafted into that through heraldry. I honor all faiths, and no, I'm not Mormon.

Posted by: gmas4bgsrgr8 | August 30, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

This is for the "liam" person who keeps posting things as if he knows anything about the "Mormon" religion. First of all liam, use your brain. The OFFICIAL name of the church is: "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints". The basic belief of the church is that Jesus Christ is our Savior. The definition of a Christian is someone who believes Jesus Christ is their savior. So if you were using your brain (or maybe you don't have one?), you would know that "Mormon's" are in fact Christians. No need to thank me for pointing out the obvious :-)

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"The only people who cannot see that they are shamelessly used by the Democrats are people of"color" themselves"

Are the members of the Congressional Black Caucus being "used" by the Democratic Party as well?

They are a significant part of the Democratic Party!

I think African-American Democrats like James Clyburn are capable of thinking for themselves, don't you?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat:

My support for the troops does not extend to UN-Constitutional appropriations (while housing, PX and VA benefits are certainly within the meaning of "raise and maintain") neither retirement pay nor the GI Bill are Constitutional. Next question?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Obama, and would do so again, and will do so in 2012. Beck-Palin are often dismissed as "entertainers" and "opportunists". And yet, when they might be challenged on say, institutional racism, they cry "foul." Beck-Palin are directing anger at government, which is a Free Speech "right." But if they are to be taken seriously, then the media could do more to "clarify" political positions advocated by Beck-Palin. If the media continues to treat Beck-Palin as a mere "distraction" or a "curious circus act", then our political speech is greatly degraded. Clearly, folks (like my neighbors) are angry about lost jobs, Wall Street's greed, and more. And yet Beck-Palin have little to say about workable solutions. My grandmother said, "if you don't have anything constructive to say, keep your mouth shut."

Readers could keep in mind that Glenn Beck is a FOX NEWS political "commentator." He is doing one heck of a job, eh? Palin is following his "money all the way to the bank." Beck-Palin supporters are free to spend cash for "entertainment", but do they have license to deny Civil Rights?

Posted by: rmorris391 | August 30, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

What Beck is doing is hiding behind MLK and the troops. Beck needs to come out of hiding!

Ya wanna take me on in a debate?

Posted by: Maddogg | August 30, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Sharpton running an anti-white rally?


Did everyone at Sharpton's rally have secret motives - that they are racist against whites???


Seriously - the Sharpton people really were not pushing any proposals or agenda - they were protesting the WHITE people at the Glen Beck rally.

Case closed.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | August 30, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"Democrats are going to get shellacked in November because of the unemployment rate, not because Glenn Beck is leading a new civil rights movement for WHITE people who don't want to see the marginal tax rate for people making more than $250,000 a year go any higher. "

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".....WHITE......people...."

I guarantee you that Adam Sewer is one of those "geat Black HOPE" supporters who like to declare the Tea Party Movement as racist, because of the small number of BLACK supporters in its midst. Well 95% of non racist Blacks supporting an obviously non race baiting, non racist, non pro Mslim, non egotistical BLACK "messiah" is clearly not racist. As Blacks represent 12.5% of the population, the remaining 5% of 12.5% = 0.625% of the population (or , 1 in 161). So if 1610 people show up for a rally, and only 10 are Black, or 100 in 16,100, then that is an indication of racism. But clearly, and obviously to anyone with the advanced intellect of someone like our sewer rat here, that is racism. But 95% of Blacks supporting a Black egomaniac is not. Black logic.

Sewer here is a RACIST. But 'it' (he. she are reserved for humanoids) has lots of friends here at this "newspaper".

You morons can bleat on all you want about the number of people who showed up where. But the number of people who show up in November will not be in question. And the Muslim in the White House (the Kenyan Kid) can spend the rest of his life in prison after "IT" is impeached and imprisioned, with his fellow Black Muslim brothers. developing a calous on his forhead. Considering "the geographer-in-chief" has not yet figured out how many States there are ("I have visited 56, or 57, just 3 more to see"), "it" may need a bit of guidence from a few fellow inmate mortals to orient his prayer carpet to Mecca. Or perhaps 'it' will be expecting the other inmates to point their carpets towards "HIM"

"HE" can spend his days readind archived copies of the WAPO - because it will be gone - bankrupt and history.

Posted by: armagedon | August 30, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2101- If Sharpton's miserably small gathering, thrown together at the last minute to denigrate Beck, was so important, why was Alveda King with Glenn?

Posted by: gmas4bgsrgr8 | August 30, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010- If Sharpton's miserably small gathering, thrown together at the last minute to denigrate Beck, was so important, why was Alveda King with Glenn?

Posted by: gmas4bgsrgr8 | August 30, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Mormon are not Christians. They are Mormons.

If they were Christians, then Glenn Beck would not have had to convert, to become a Mormon. Actually Mormons are just a Cult that was founded by a Liar who married scores of women.

Latter Day Saints. Name the Saints, and who canonized them?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg:

How can you "debate" if you won't even respond to my points on your posts?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"neither retirement pay nor the GI Bill are Constitutional."

Awesome. That view should prove to be popular. You should run for office.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

Mormons are not Christians (although they say that they are, just like Barack Obama).

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@armageddon,

I sure see why you have your handle. Are you also watching for the sound of black helicopter blades?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | August 30, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Beck, on his Fox News show last Tuesday, said that liberation theology is at the core of Obama's "belief structure."

"You see, it's all about victims and victimhood; oppressors and the oppressed; reparations, not repentance; collectivism, not individual salvation. I don't know what that is, other than it's not Muslim, it's not Christian. It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it," Beck said. "


........................

When are some of the MSM going to point out, that Glenn Beck should be the last person who should be deciding who is a Christian, since he is A Mormon.

Are all his viewers so stupid, that they let him get away with talking about the gospel of Jesus Christ, after he abandoned Christianity, and converted, to being A Mormon?

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Judge for yourself: Look at the photos here: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/restoringhonor?v=photos&ref=ts

It's easy to see there were more than what you are reporting.

Posted by: BLT1 | August 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

schrodingerscat:

I'm too old to run for office -- but thanks for the words of encouragement -- even though my reading of the Constitution is correct. Ron Paul can't get elected as President either.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Beck says he is A Mormon.

President Obama said that he is A Christian. I take both of them at their words.

Beck does not call himself A Christian, he calls himself A Mormon, so why are so many of his backers ashamed to admit that he is a Mormon.

Glenn Beck has now admitted that President Obama is A Christian, but Beck thinks that he know better than President Obama, what sort of Christian he is.

I say that is rather arrogant of Glenn Beck, since he stopped calling himself A Christian, many years ago, and has been calling himself A Mormom, ever since.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"why was Alveda King with Glenn?"

Because she's apparently the crazy cousin that no one in the family can stand to have around. Trust me, we've all got relatives we wouldn't want out in public taking it upon themselves to speak for us.

And think about it.....how much would you all care about Alveda King if she wasn't out and about espousing rightwing nonsense?

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Mormonism is not recognized as A Christian Denomination.

Mormons do not congregate in Christian Churches

They attend their own Non-Christian Houses of Worship. Glenn Beck is A Mormon. That makes him a Non-Christian, no matter how many of you are ashamed to accept that truth, and keep trying to cover up, for him.

He has every right to be a Mormon. No one wants to take that away from him, except all you followers of him, who want to distort Mormonism, and pretend that it is a recognized denomination of Christianity. It is not.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

mwhoke @ August 30, 2010 11:35 AM: You are very eager to convince me. So, from Local/Metro for 8/28 I see "Maintenance work on the Red, Blue and Green lines will complicate Metro rides this weekend, even as riders deal with crowds headed to rallies and marches around the Mall and the Nationals games this weekend."

In short, even Beck did not expect much of a crowd so that Metro would make special arrangements. What you so eagerly point to is normal delays caused by regular maintenance.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | August 30, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

BLT1:

Thanks for the link. What is funny is how liberals are "wasting" their weekend (and today) arguing against someone they contend is so irrelevant!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Glenn Beck sent the wrong message at his little "festival" or his supporters just aren't GETTING IT.

He was preached about the importance of honor and civil rights.

But his supporters have gone and done the exact opposite of showing "honor" for civil rights. There is a CLEAR anti-black bias in many of the Republicans posting here today.

Didn't you get the message?

It's about honor. And Civil Rights.

Where are all of your posts on honor and civil rights?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Doctor King is not responsible for what his nieces or nephews chose to do, any more than any of us are, for what our nieces and nephews do.

It may come as surprise to Beckheads, but not all families think alike.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

Only God knows for sure.

AMviennaVA:

Did you see the post, above, re: $5 million NET donated to charity?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Three things:

I was a "marshal" at the 1963 March on Washington, with the assignment of moving the entertainers (Joan Baez, Woody Allen, Charlton Heston, Odetta, etc.) around from place to place. The size of the crowd at Glenn Beck's rally appeared to me to be as large if not larger than the size of the 1963 crowd.

Second, I don't have any knowledge regarding the financial support for the two events, but I do know that the pre-event media coverage of the earlier event was far greater (to the point of no comparison) than of the one this past Saturday, and I would bet the ranch that the planning and organization that went into the 1963 effort was far more widespread and elaborate.

Finally, The Post-event coverages (pun intended) of the two were far different. Back in 1963, the coverage was far more extensive and fact-based. I have yet to see an account in the Post (or the Times) that reports fully on what comprised the 2010 event or lays out who spoke and what they said in a straightforward manner.

The Post did its job in a far better manner during my youth. Now, the most accurately descriptive thing that can be said about its performance is that it gives sustenance to ongoing and growing America division. In short, it demeans us all.

Cheers,

Julian Tepper
Placitas, NM

Posted by: jutepper1 | August 30, 2010 2:00 PM |

Thank you for your eye witness account and thoughts about 1963/2010. Of all the comments (and I read the whole thread), yours is the most cogent and authentic.

Posted by: marybel9999 | August 30, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

liam - again, you shouldn't talk about things you obviously know nothing about, namely the "Mormon" religion. Here is a newsflash though - every religion meets in their own house of worship ;-)

And those of you saying Beck is racist and there were not many black people at his rally...do you think that is maybe because there weren't a lot of black people who wanted to go to the rally? I mean come on, you act like he told the guards at the gate that only so many black people could come and after that not to let any more in. He can't force people to follow him. Why must you always place the blame on the person being followed? Or do you call him racist because he doesn't like Obama? If so, does that mean that the new definition of racist is "not liking the in situ president"? Does that mean that all of those people who didn't like Bush were racist as well? Or does it only apply if you don't like a president who happens to be half white and half black? Just curious...

By the way, not a Beck supporter here, in fact I can't stand the man, but I dislike hypocrisy and false blame even more!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

JakeD2 @ August 30, 2010 4:07 PM wrote "Did you see the post, above, re: $5 million NET donated to charity?"

Yes, I saw the post. And it's nice that you sent money. That is a world of a difference than the rally raised (that means contributed) $5 million. Only actual filings determine that.

Don;t be so desperate to do that charlatan's bidding. It actually reduces your credibility.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | August 30, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg:

Where did you go? You're not a chicken, are you?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Mormons are not Christian, period. They do not adhere to the New Testament.

They view Jesus Christ, as some one from a previous Religious era, much like Muslims do.

Mormons are Mormons, and Christians are Christians. That is the cold hard reality. Deal with it.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

AMviennaVA:

I couldn't care less what you thing about my "credibility". The post that I was referring to was not mine, but the one right before mine:

"The Special Operations Warrior Foundation NETTED a more than $5 million donation. That was NET -- after all rally expenses were already subtracted. Sarah Palin did not charge a speaking fee for Beck's Rally but there were still expenses.

After all the Rally expenses were subtracted, SOWF got more than $5 million. Don't know how to state it more clearly than that."

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

liam - again, you shouldn't talk about things you obviously know nothing about, namely the "Mormon" religion. Here is a newsflash though - every religion meets in their own house of worship ;-)

And those of you saying Beck is racist and there were not many black people at his rally...do you think that is maybe because there weren't a lot of black people who wanted to go to the rally? I mean come on, you act like he told the guards at the gate that only so many black people could come and after that not to let any more in. He can't force people to follow him. Why must you always place the blame on the person being followed? Or do you call him racist because he doesn't like Obama? If so, does that mean that the new definition of racist is "not liking the in situ president"? Does that mean that all of those people who didn't like Bush were racist as well? Or does it only apply if you don't like a president who happens to be half white and half black? Just curious...

By the way, not a Beck supporter here, in fact I can't stand the man, but I dislike hypocrisy and false blame even more!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Again liam, showing your ignorance of the "Mormon" religion. Who on earth told you they do not adhere to the New Testament? I know for a fact that they do. I was a Sunday School teacher and an entire year is devoted to each of the books of worship - Old Testament, New Testament, Book of Mormon. This is what I mean about talking about things you obviously have no real knowledge of. Here is what you need to do liam - go to a dictionary and look up the word "Christian".

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to the CBS aerial photos. I am sure there are those who will say they are manipulated, wrong, or whatever due to GOP/TP paranoiac and conspiracy-based thinking, but it sure doesn't look like there were over 100,000.

Posted by: jharveinseattle
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*** That's a joke, right? The only thing those photos portray is a huge glob of people from so far away, they look like a Monet watercolor.

Of course, none of this really matters. If CBS had any credibility, Katie Couric's ratings wouldn't be at a 20-year low.

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Here liam, I did it for you...from Merriam-Webster.com, the definition of Christian:
: one who professes belief in the teachings of Jesus

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints DEFINITELY believe in the teachings of Jesus. Cold hard facts liam, not opinion, just cold hard facts!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The "cold hard reality" is that only God knows for sure if Barack Obama is a Christian (some, above, think that there was no Jesus Christ anyways ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote:

The majority of voters got what they voted for, when it came to Mr. Obama delivering on Health Care reform.

_____________________________

*** Look, Liam, if that's what you want to believe, far be it from me to spoil your personal fantasy. Feel free to continue spending your days on Bizarro World.

The realityis that not only do major polls show that the majority of Americans favor a repeal, but -- most telling of all -- Democratic Congressional candidates have been advised by a research firm to abandon their previous claims that the bill will reduce costs and deficit.

There's a reason why you don't see a blitz of campaign ads featuring Democrats proudly telling their constituents, "I voted for ObamaCare!"

Can you figure out what that reason is, Liam?

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"And those of you saying Beck is racist and there were not many black people at his rally...do you think that is maybe because there weren't a lot of black people who wanted to go to the rally?"

Yeah, and you get just ONE GUESS as to why that was the case!!! Hahaha!

If he wanted to include African-Americans in his "civil rights" festival, then maybe he shouldn't have mocked community organizing and social justice and maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't have called one of that community's heroes a racist!

DON'T YA THINK?!?!

Jeez.

It really * IS * all about race for you people.

I love white people.

I am white.

But you conservative folks are lunatics and racists and give us "normal" white folks a bad name. Sad.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

There's no use trying to convince those like Liam-still ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

Do you want a list of the hundreds of African-Americans at the Glenn Beck rally?

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Polls do not determine legislation. You keep trying to let the pollsters tell us what should be passed.

It does not work like that. People vote for candidates, based on what they are laying out as their agenda. President Obama laid out Healthcare Reform, fairly close to what ended up passing. You are never going to get your program passed in exactly the manner you lay it out, because the legislators have their say, before they agree to pass anything.

The voters were told where President Obama stood, on what he was going to try and get passed, and they gave him a mandate. He carried it, so take your polls nonsense, and shove them where the sun don't shine. Or, as your hero, Dick Cheney, said when told that the polls were only showing around 20% support for his position, "So?"

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Do you want a list of the hundreds of African-Americans at the Glenn Beck rally?"

No.

I want a list of reasons why conservatives treat African-Americans like trash instead of like equals.

And btw, do you really have a list of African-Americans who attended?

You do realize that if you actually espoused policies that help African-Americans YOU WOULDN'T NEED TO COUNT THEM AT ALL! There would probably be too many of them and they would support your political candidates. But oh well, your party is too stuck in its ways, know what I'm saying?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Mormon religion is not founded on the teachings of Jesus Christ.

It does not matter that they pay respect to Jesus. So do Muslims.

Go read the history of the establishment of The Mormon religion, and you will see for yourselves, that the founder established an entirely new religion, not unlike the way The Prophet Mohammed did. In fact; there are other similarities between the foundation of both new religions, that are not based on the tenets of Christianity. Polygamy, for example, and their similar founding principles about how women were to have no rights of their own.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, and you get just ONE GUESS as to why that was the case!!! Hahaha!"

Um, because they are democrats and don't believe in returning our country to what the founding fathers intended it to be? Because they think that having a "black" (I used quotations because he really isn't black) president is far more important than having a good president? (Deny it all you want, millions voted for him based on skin color alone.)

"maybe he shouldn't have mocked community organizing and social justice and maybe, just maybe, he shouldn't have called one of that community's heroes a racist!"

So what are you talking about here exactly? Please don't tell me that you think Sharpton is a hero, because he is a racist BIG TIME. And don't even try to tell me he mocked anything to do with MLK, Jr. because that is one of his idols and would be so far from the truth it would be ridiculous. This rally Beck just held raised over $5Mil NET for a GREAT CAUSE! (Fund for family members of fallen soldiers!) Since when would that be a rally not worth attending? Don't forget, back in MLK Jr.'s time, it was the DEMOCRATS who were fighting equality and the REPUBLICANS fighting FOR it! Most of us have the same dream, that the day will come when all are equal - EQUAL!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010:

It's not "my party" (in fact, no official PARTY was allowed at the rally). And, yes, I have a list started. I was just trying to point our your false premise: "If he wanted to include African-Americans in his 'civil rights' festival ..."

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

"You do realize that if you actually espoused policies that help African-Americans"

Ethan - that is a racist statement!!! As for me, I would like policies espoused that help ALL AMERICANS, no matter what their skin pigment may be!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Lies and ignorance liam, lies and ignorance. It is people like you who foster hate and intolerance by promoting lies about things you have no knowledge of. What tells me without any question that you know nothing of the "Mormon" religion was your comment regarding women having no rights. Lies and ignorance. Surely you don't believe you know more about the church than someone who actually went to it and studied the religion, do you?

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

No offical party was allowed. What a joke. Palin, the Republican VP nominee was featured, but no prominent Democrat was featured.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

"It is people like you who foster hate and intolerance by promoting lies about things you have no knowledge of."

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but, please spare us all the faux outrage. There are plenty of people on the right who do not believe that Mormons are Christian. That's precisely why Romney had to give his big speech on religion in 2008. It's also why many evangelicals threatened to withdraw their support for McCain if he chose Romney for the VP slot.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/29/evangelicals-warn-against-mccain-romney-ticket/

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Polygamy and control of women were founding tenets of the newly established Mormon Cult Religion.

A law had to be passed, by the Federal government to stop the practice of Polygamy in the Mormon religion.

It was never a Christian Denomination, and those Mormons who are lying about their own history, or clearly trying to deceive people. If they are not willing to honestly embrace their own history, then why should anyone put their fate in the likes of Glenn Beck. At least, Mill Romney is not a false Mormon. He does not go around calling himself a Christian.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Just like the Tea Oarty comparisons. So few Blacks that they must be racists.

95% of Blacks supported (and still do) the Black guy for president - the same percentage that supported the Black guy against the White women in the Democrat primaries. That leaves just 5% of 123.5% (Blacks in America) which = 0.625%, or 1 in 161. So if at a Tea Party event of say 1610 people, only 10 Blacks show up, that is racism. If 95% of the people at Sharptons rally where Black - that is clearly NOT racism. If 30% of the people at Obama's staged town hall meetings are Black, that is NOT racism.. BLACK logic.

Get a brain. You idiots - ie Democrats ( and not just Blacks) keep playing the race card - too stupid to know that the majority of the rest of the population aren't as stupid as you are. Eat more fish - food for the brain. Of course if you have no brain (and what did you idiots do with yours - everybody is born with one - didn't your mothers tell you not to eat it!!), then the fish is wasted. Try dog food.

Posted by: armagedon | August 30, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

The voters were told where President Obama stood, on what he was going to try and get passed, and they gave him a mandate.

Posted by: Liam-still
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*** Ri-i-i-ight, Liam ... so much of a mandate that Obama's poll numbers are doing a great impression of a submarine.

Meanwhile, Democratic Congressional candidates are suddenly mentioning ObamaCare about as often as Ned Beatty talks about his "Squeal like a pig" scene in "Deliverance."

But hey, you're welcome to believe that the popularity of Obama and ObamaCare are better than ever. Just remember to stay away from newspapers and the TV in November, OK?

Posted by: UponFurtherReview | August 30, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

The keynote speaker, Dr. Aveda King, is a registered Democrat. So are Pastor C.L. Jackson and Emma Houston.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

None of those people are prominent Democratic Politicians.

Sarah Palin was the Republican VP candidate, and she is still running all over the country endorsing and raising money for Republican candidates.

Like I said before: there was no comparable prominent Democratic Politician invited to address that so called non political event.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 30, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Sarah Palin is a private citizen, not a politician.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

"I don't really have a dog in this fight, but, please spare us all the faux outrage. There are plenty of people on the right who do not believe that Mormons are Christian. That's precisely why Romney had to give his big speech on religion in 2008. It's also why many evangelicals threatened to withdraw their support for McCain if he chose Romney for the VP slot."

THANK YOU SCHRODINGERSCAT - you backed up my argument with your comment!!! It is because of the ignorance and lies that people spread that anyone feels that way about the Mormon church! As for people not voting for Romney because of his religion - well they shot themselves in the foot because he would have been the very best man for president during these times. The man is a financial genius - many of the few companies who are not feeling the recession were set up by Romney! I can not tell you how many die-had democrats have told me that if Romney had been on the ballot they would have voted for him for that very reason. The crisis hit about a month too late - after the primaries. If it had hit earlier, I think it is entirely possible that Romney would be in the white house right now and we would definitely NOT be in the crisis we are in now!!! SO ignorance and lies spread by people like liam not only directly affects the church, but in fact, affected our entire country! FAUX outrage? No, this is as REAL as it gets!!!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"I don't really have a dog in this fight, but, please spare us all the faux outrage. There are plenty of people on the right who do not believe that Mormons are Christian. That's precisely why Romney had to give his big speech on religion in 2008. It's also why many evangelicals threatened to withdraw their support for McCain if he chose Romney for the VP slot."

THANK YOU SCHRODINGERSCAT - you backed up my argument with your comment!!! It is because of the ignorance and lies that people spread that anyone feels that way about the Mormon church! As for people not voting for Romney because of his religion - well they shot themselves in the foot because he would have been the very best man for president during these times. The man is a financial genius - many of the few companies who are not feeling the recession were set up by Romney! I can not tell you how many die-had democrats have told me that if Romney had been on the ballot they would have voted for him for that very reason. The crisis hit about a month too late - after the primaries. If it had hit earlier, I think it is entirely possible that Romney would be in the white house right now and we would definitely NOT be in the crisis we are in now!!! SO ignorance and lies spread by people like liam not only directly affects the church, but in fact, affected our entire country! FAUX outrage? No, this is as REAL as it gets!!!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

why do the posts show up twice sometimes?

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"Ethan - that is a racist statement!!! As for me, I would like policies espoused that help ALL AMERICANS, no matter what their skin pigment may be!"

HAHAHA!

Oh really? Are you a conservative?

When you say laws that help all Americans...

You mean like the immigration law in Arizona? How does that help "all Americans regardless of skin pigment"?

You mean like gun control laws? How does fighting against gun control laws help "all Americans regardless of skin pigment"?

You mean like drug sentencing laws? Why didn't Bush and the Republican Party change the mandatory minimum sentencing for crack cocaine when they were in control of the Legislative and Executive branch?

robineacret, you are so confused that it is truly sad.

I do applaud your sensitivity to skin pigment...

...but if you want to be serious about the comment that you support policies and laws "that help ALL AMERICANS" regardless of skin color, you will have to basically remove yourself from the Republican Party.

If you're not in the Republican Party and you're a so-called Moderate, I strongly suggest you do not support Republicans, as they have proven that they do NOT have the same commitment that you do with regard to skin color.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

First of all, I am what I am. Conservatives think I am liberal, liberals think I am conservative. I fall slightly to the right of that "independent" test you take but mostly because of my stance on abortion (which I refuse to debate, so don't even go there). Lets see...

Arizona immigration law, helps ALL CITIZENS, I repeat CITIZENS. The illegals are not citizens and it doesn't matter what the skin color is, if they are here illegally they are breaking the law and should be deported. Unless you live in Arizona, you know nothing of the trouble the illegals cause, and the billions of dollars it costs. I hope every state in the union adopts the same law.

Gun control - well I am smart enough to know that we can make all the gun laws we want, but it isn't going to keep the guns out of the criminals' hands. They don't get their guns legally, so what good does creating a law do?

Drugs? Well I'm all for making them legal and taxing them astronomically like we do the two drugs that are legal and that kill more than all the other drugs combined (cigarettes and alcohol). Free up our jails for the REAL criminals: rapists, murderers, child molesters, child beaters, thieves. Put them in jail for life instead of letting them back out to reoffend like they always do. (Or better yet, put them all out of their misery - except for thieves the first couple times).

And I'm not confused at all. I just know what the real issues are. I am smart enough to know that it is better to have a crack dealer on the street than a child molester. I am smart enough to know that a gun law isn't going to make anyone safer. I am smart enough to know that if someone is in the country illegally then they need to be sent back to their own country. I am smart enough to know that those illegal aliens, no matter where they come from or what their skin color is, are costing our country billions and billions of dollars every year. (It is obvous by your statement about the AZ law that you have no clue as to the actual content of the law which has language that specifically prohibits profiling). And don't you find it odd that more than 80% of LEGAL immigrants are all for enforcing immigration laws? Hmmmmm....

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Go get 'em, Robin!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"Arizona immigration law, helps ALL CITIZENS, I repeat CITIZENS"

How does it help American citizens of Hispanic descent?

"well I am smart enough to know that we can make all the gun laws we want, but it isn't going to keep the guns out of the criminals' hands"

But are you smart enough to realize that if we did certain things like close the gun show loophole there would be LESS guns on the streets? Are you smart enough to understand that if we made it harder for criminals to get guns then there would be less gun violence? Isn't that worth a try? What do we have to lose by not making gun control laws tighter? Oh the poor poor gun manufacturers!

"I'm all for making them legal and taxing them astronomically like we do the two drugs that are legal and that kill more than all the other drugs combined (cigarettes and alcohol)"

I'm 100% with you there.

I STRONGLY STRONGLY suggest you read this brand new article about smoking

"""There is a strong regional aspect to smoking. All 11 states where a quarter or more of the population smokes -- the "well-above average" group -- are in the South or Midwest.

[...]

States with the lowest levels of formal education -- those where fewer than a quarter of adults have a college degree -- tend to have above-average smoking rates. These include West Virginia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Indiana, Tennessee, and Oklahoma, among several other Southern states. Conversely, states with the highest average levels of formal education, such as Massachusetts, Connecticut, Maryland, New Jersey, and the District of Columbia, tend to have average or below-average smoking rates.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/142694/Adult-Smoking-Ranges-Across-States.aspx

Pretty amazing.

The states with the highest smoking per capita are also the states with the least amount of education...

...and these just happen to be largely Republican-voting states.

I'm not saying that to rub it in conservatives' faces politically. I just think it is a remarkable pattern. Don't you?

I would even consider being a Republican if the party's top priorities were education, science, and social justice. But it turns out those things are almost exclusively Democratic ideals, for better or worse.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

It helps American citizens of Hispanic descent by preserving their jobs and expediates getting their relatives here LEGALLY rather than government resources being wasted tracking down illegal aliens.

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Greg, you wrote that "Beck's rally was also considerably smaller than the 1963 Martin Luther King Jr. march where he gave his "I Have A Dream" speech.

Dude, REALLY? Did you look at any pictures of both rallies?

Here let me help you.... Google (Images) Martin Luther King Lincoln Memorial.

Then Google (Images)Restoring Honor Rally

Since you used MLK rally numbers as a comparison we will stick to those, okay?

At a glance it will be very obvious that there were at least 2-3 times as many people at The Restoring Honor rally when the pictures are compared.

You should correct your piece to read 400,000-600,000 people attended the Restoring Honor Rally.

Your welcome, for the help in using Google as a tool for research.

Posted by: rock-thrower | August 30, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

rock-thrower:

Your links are not working, and I don't believe that Greg wrote this thread (otherwise, good points).

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 30, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Ethan, over 80% of citizens of Hispanic descent, are FOR the AZ immigration law! So you tell me how it helps them...apparently THEY think it does.

Stricter gun laws will not keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals. DC has some of the strictest gun laws and crimes involving guns are extremely high there!

I'm with you on education being a priority. Social justice is too vague for me, I think that government hand outs are way too easy and people need to work for what they get. (They can take the jobs the illegals come here for.) I have known way too many generational welfare families to believe it is a system that helps the majority of the time. Is it needed? Absolutely, but as a hand up, not a hand out. And I fully believe that we should help out our own citizens before helping non citizens, then if there is something left over we can help others. But that isn't how it is. My daughter has a baby who was assaulted and he is brain damaged, she had to quit her very good job to take care of him because specialty daycare for him and regular daycare for her other child would have taken her entire paycheck. She can't get welfare (she wanted to go back to school and finish her degree) unless she puts him in county daycare and goes out and looks for work every day. He can't go to county daycare, he is special needs, he has to be watched for seizures and shunt malfunction, both which could kill him in minutes. My uncle married a woman from Germany, she ended up being abusive and an alcoholic, he kicked her out and our government gives her $1500/month through some special program for displaced illegals! She started getting money within 3 days! Is that "social justice"?

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"...expediates getting their relatives here LEGALLY rather than government resources being wasted tracking down illegal aliens."

What a profoundly racist statement. I am Hispanic and all of my relatives are legally in this country because we were born here. So, if I live in Arizona, why should I be subjected to legislated harassment simply because of the way I look and speak?

Posted by: njardine | August 30, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

"And I fully believe that we should help out our own citizens before helping non citizens, then if there is something left over we can help others. But that isn't how it is."

You write this and still claim to be a Christian?

Posted by: njardine | August 30, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

njardine -

1. ALL citizens have to show ID during a traffic stop, if you commit a crime you have to show ID, if you do not they can detain you until your identification can be proven. None of this is new. It's not racist to want someone to be in this country the LEGAL way. My suggestion to you is to look up the word "racism" in the dictionary because it is obvious you do not know what it means!

2. Read your bible. I believe you will find MANY MANY passages on taking care of your own. I do not believe for one second that my Heavenly Father wants me to take away something needed by those who I am responsible for and give it to someone else. I do believe that if I had enough for my child and someone else he would want me to share. If you believe that you should help someone else before the people you are directly responsible for, then you are not a Christian AND you are not responsible!

Posted by: robineacret | August 30, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Robineacret, I suggest you read about social justice as it is clear you don't have the faintest idea what it is.

Again, it sounds a whole lot like you are using these words based on a clearly incomplete understanding of what they actually mean. I encourage you to read about social justice. Go visit Martin Luther King Jrs official website for starters. Or just look it up under wikipedia and find some sources to read on the subject. I strongly encourage it because it sounds like something that would be worthwhile to a caring person such as yourself.

I am sorry to hear about your granddaughter's condition. I hope your daughter stays strong and is able to raise the child in a loving household.

I know you may not like the health care reform bill, but your daughter may want to look into the possibility of tax credits or benefits for caring for special needs children. Check out www.HealthCare.gov and contact them if you have a question. It is a very easy-to-use website too. I highly recommend checking it out for your daughter.

Best of luck.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"You write this and still claim to be a Christian?"

Well, she certainly isn't Catholic.

Posted by: schrodingerscat | August 30, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

"I do not believe for one second that my Heavenly Father wants me to take away something needed by those who I am responsible for and give it to someone else. I do believe that if I had enough for my child and someone else he would want me to share."

My dear, your Heavenly Father expects you to care for the comfort and welfare every stranger you encounter because that is the greatest expression of love for your fellow man. I suggest you read your Bible again and, this time, try to comprehend what it actually says and not what you want to believe it does.

Posted by: njardine | August 30, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

"ALL citizens have to show ID during a traffic stop, if you commit a crime you have to show ID, if you do not they can detain you until your identification can be proven. None of this is new"

Apparently, you aren't aware that illegal immigrants can get driver's licenses, no? What the Arizona law requires is proof of citizenship (i.e., passport, naturalization papers, etc.,); a driver's license is not proof of citizenship.

Now, show of hands of those of us who carry our passports and naturalization papers with us at all times? You do realize this road is leading to the issuance of national ID cards?

Posted by: njardine | August 30, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Voluntarily "caring for every stranger I meet in need" (max. 10 per day x 365 = 3,650) is much different than compelling everyone to pay taxes to pay for all 300 million "strangers.". In addition, the Arizona law being challenged specifically states that a valid Arizona drivers license is acceptable proof. I am Hispanic myself, and I have no problem with this law.

Posted by: clawrence12 | August 30, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't begin to tell you how dishonest you are. 87,000 my ass. Tell you want, tough guy, why don't you take that picture the AP took of the Glenn Beck event and put it next to the picture of the 1963 march and we'll just see for ourselves if it looks like half the people.

You're a liar, and that's a very bad trait for a journalist.

Posted by: ssag | August 31, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse


If you had taken the time to look at photos of the 1963 march, you would have seen that it was about the same size as Beck's rally. I do not like Beck, but see no reason to deceive myself -- or others.

Posted by: androcles | August 30, 2010 9:59 AM
---------------------------

Why sure, let's compare:

MLK 1963:

http://www.life.com/image/50678023

http://media.wwnorton.com/college/history/US%20History%20Tours/Civil_Rights/march_monument.jpg

Whitestock 2010:

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/rally1.jpg

http://images2.dailykos.com/images/user/191280/rally2.jpg

Posted by: zuzu2 | August 31, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

There was no moral foundation for the all white Glen Beck rally, it was a coded call to revoke civil right laws and return the nation to 1950 standards. Those at the Bigot Rally forgot that there were race riots before MLK led the million man march, that memorable show of force led to the sharing of good jobs with the black minority. The restoration of an era where one race ruled with a greedy iron fist is immoral and would be un-American.

Posted by: morristhewise | August 31, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bottomline:

Mr. Serwer's facts within his opinion piece are demonstrably incorrect.

If he intends to become anything more than just another obscure, biased, left-wing propagandist, then he needs to at least acknowledge and report facts within his commentaries.

Or, he can just get a fairly good-paying job at one of the mainstream media outlets, and become a full-fledged, paid member of the corrupt media in this country.

Posted by: jwwarept | August 31, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

If Greg Sargent orgainzied a rally, could he get 55 people to show up if he didn't pay them to do so?

Pay attention to the crowd, the demographics, at the Beck rally. There are the working taxpaying Americans. Beck does not appeal to the government- dependent crowd. Individual responsibility, thrift, and industry is not for every American, epecially those on 5th generation welfare.

These Beck fans are fed up. they won't take it much longer.

Posted by: Warren5874 | August 31, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Get this straight "MSNBC reporting 500,000" is actually CONSERVATIVE commentator Joe Scarborough repeating this overblown 500,000 claim on his own show "Morning Joe", and echo that is then echoed even more with more inane repetition by posters on this article. I've seen rallies of 500,000 people, more than once, and this rally is NOT EVEN CLOSE. I'd say the CBS estimate was a generous one.

Posted by: dauphinyt | September 1, 2010 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Get this straight "MSNBC reporting 500,000" is actually CONSERVATIVE commentator Joe Scarborough repeating this overblown 500,000 claim on his own show "Morning Joe", an echo that is then echoed even more with more inane repetition by posters on this article. I've seen rallies of 500,000 people, more than once, and this rally is NOT EVEN CLOSE. I'd say the CBS estimate was a generous one.

Posted by: dauphinyt | September 1, 2010 3:06 AM | Report abuse

For those that discount the attendance, you are living in denial. Reflection pool is 338843 sq ft and humans on average can easily fit in 2 sgft, ie some smaller and some larger, unless you're obese like coffee247. Anyway, 170k could fit, transpose the pool and the estimate of 500k is conservative, I would guesstimate closer to 600k. I wish I could have gone, but had to work like most tea party and republicans, unlike most of the liberal rallies and who most were unemployed and/or on welfare. I am sure MANY wanted to go, like me, but couldn't because of work and all the hotels were already full. Wake up liberals oh and get a job or do something that helps the country.

Posted by: roballen1971 | September 1, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

First of all, these crazy notions of 87k are just another example of how poorly educated the left is. This entire Beck story is just killing them. They hate the fact that a conservative is getting so much attention. I say you Liberals should be happy he is taking some attention off of your glorious leaders. If you cant relate to Becks message about loyalty , faith, work ethic and morals then you really are lost. America was formed by these characteristics and now somany "entitled', or Lazy you choose, want to just give it all away. I dont always agree with Beck but he has great wisdom and words, just like MLK, by the way whose own daughter supports Beck. So I suppose what Im trying to say is "Liberals grow some morals, work ethics, and dont be afraid of us, but get use to us cause NOV is getting very close and your time is UP!
HARD WORKING HOOSIER- GOD BLESS THE USA and to Hell with the LAZY

Posted by: scott92 | September 3, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

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