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Will the Dems' Tea Party strategy work?

Yesterday I noted here that Dems are gleeful about this weekend's Glenn Beck rally on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech, because it gives them grist for their argument that the GOP is captive to a base dominated by extremists and intolerants.

Indeed, the Dem strategy for months now has been to elevate the nastiest and most brutish elements of the Tea Party to get moderates and independents to sour on the GOP. And today Dems seized on the Beck rally to hit this message again:

The chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Chris Van Hollen, criticized the conservative "Restoring Honor" rally on the National Mall this weekend as "blatantly political," and predicts voters in swing districts will be turned off by "outrageous rhetoric on the right," which he characterized as ranting conspiracy theories.

"Since the day President Obama was elected president, you've had a constant tirade against the president, against Democratic efforts to get the economy turned around. So let's call it what it is. It's a blatant political effort," Van Hollen said. "It's a turnoff to the sensible center and the people who constitute the key independent voters in these swing districts."

Here's my question: Is there any evidence this strategy is working? I'm not saying it isn't; I just want to hear from readers on this. Dems have been elevating Tea Party whack-jobbery for months now. But the polling I've seen mostly shows that public impressions of the Tea Party movement haven't changed much. Large chunks don't have an opinion of the Tea Party, while those who do have an opinion are roughly split on whether they view it favorably or unfavorably.

It's true that Dems have succeeded in keeping the GOP's brand tarnished: While Congressional Dems are held in very low regard by voters, most polls show that the Congressional GOP ranks even lower. But it's unclear whether this has anything to do with the Dems' strategy of spotlighting Tea Party craziness and using it to tar the GOP. It seems possible that the constant attention to Tea Party ferment risks feeding a general sense that the public is deeply dissatisfied with how things are going in this country, and it's unclear why this would necessarily help Democrats.

In coming weeks, the midterms are going to be kicking into high gear, and all of you will have a front-row seat on how the various messages from the national parties are resonating in your states and districts. I'm hoping to get a granular, ground-level sense from you all as to what's working, what isn't, and how things are going in general. What say you, readers? Any signs this strategy is working?

By Greg Sargent  |  August 27, 2010; 3:26 PM ET
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The vitriol from the left is far more repugnant than anything coming out of the Tea Party movement. Look no further than the comment section of your own blog for proof. The progressives are absolutely rabid. I take comfort in that.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, NV and to an extent AK and NV went from slam dunk to a jump ball when the tea partiers took over in part because of their extremism.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 27, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

bla...I mean NV and to an extent AK and KY...

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 27, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Mike.

It's less about tarring the "Tea Party" than it is exposing individual Republican candidates. And in that respect it is DEFINITELY working.

Another bit of evidence of that is Marco Rubio's tracking to the middle as he finds that being a Tea Party extremist isn't going to win him a general election.

So yes, the Dem strategy is CLEARLY working in my view.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

true, Mike. But in fairness those candidates are serious Tea Partiers. I'm wondering whether the more general national strategy of constantly harping on the Tea Party is really having any impact in swing districts where the candidates aren't really Tea Partiers...

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 27, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Jake, Here is your post. If you did not intend to insinuate that the link you provided supported your assertion that Enright was a Democrat, why did you included it?
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ifthethunderdontgetya:

Did you know that Michael Enright of Brewster, New York, is a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT? He is (was) an employee of the New York City-based Intersections International, a New York-based "global initiative dedicated to promoting justice, reconciliation and peace across lines of faith, culture, ideology, race, class, national borders and other boundaries that divide humanity."

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/the_ground_zero/

Posted by: JakeD2 | August 25, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 27, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hard to say, most of my liberal friends think the teabaggers are nutso, but they think the same of the Republicans in general.

And my conservative friends are mostly like Kevin. They (rightly) say every party has its crazies.

I'm going to repost this from the last thread because I find it soooooo funny:


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I am really starting to think that Republicans stand for nothing.

Consider this. Alabama is the fifth most conservative state in the union:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20012413-503544.html

Yet what do we find in Alabama today?

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Imagine you come home from work one day to a notice on your front door that you have 45 days to demolish your house, or the city will do it for you. Oh, and you’re paying for it.

This is happening right now in Montgomery, Ala., and here is how it works: The city decides it doesn’t like your property for one reason or another, so it declares it a “public nuisance.” It mails you a notice that you have 45 days to demolish your property, at your expense, or the city will do it for you (and, of course, bill you).

Your tab with the city will constitute a lien on your property, and if you don’t pay it within 30 days (or pay your installments on time; if you owe over $10,000, you can work out a deal to pay back the city for destroying your home over a period of time, with interest), the city can sell your now-vacant land to the highest bidder.

...


The end game in Montgomery, however, is obvious. The city wants to clear and ultimately sell-off the property of lower-income, mostly black Alabamans to higher-income developers, but it can’t do that through the state’s eminent domain law. So it found a backdoor, which also incidentally does not require the city to compensate property owners for their loss, but instead charges them.

http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/26/eminent-domain-by-any-other-name-still-stinks/2/

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And the kicker?

Defending these demolitions is Todd Strange, Mayor of Montgomery, Alabama, and a Republican. The Conservative Christians of Alabama said prior to the last election that "conservatives see a vote for him as their only chance to save Montgomery from liberal Democrats."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/property-wrongs.html

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that the Tea Party movement is very much what America was meant to be: ordinary citizens protesting a bloated and growing federal government. Sure there will be some bad actors in the group, but it makes me happy to know that such spontaneous political movements are still possible in this nation. The attacks are disgraceful and way over the top. Let the people have their say. They are (rightly) frustrated!

Posted by: hijinks55 | August 27, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@Mike...and don't forget Florida. Our Senate seat was a slam dunk until the tea partiers went for Marco the crook Rubio. Crist would have waltzed into the Senate by double digits...now it's a whole new ballgame. Rubio has to hope that Crist and Meek neutralize each other.

Meanwhile this is such speculation. 3 months is a lifetime before an election. I realize this is a political blog and this is what we do for fun..but IMHO in reality
NOBODY really has a clue yet...not the Charlie Cooks..Chuck Todds..Shep Smiths..nobody knows. What happens for example if there is gunfire or heaven forbid somebody gets shot tomorrow at the Lincoln Memorial. Would that generate sympathy for Beck or would the country wake up and realize when you twist the tail of the Tiger you have to pay a price?
Depends perhaps who they kill..Beck?..an innocent bystander...more than one...maybe no shooting but just a riot...who knows what violence at this rally might produce?

I think one thing we might be able to agree upon is this year will be incredibly volatile with wild swings in polling right up to election day. I wouldn't want to be a pollster in this atmosphere...there are going to be some really surprises on both sides of the aisle again IMHO.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

"ordinary citizens protesting a bloated and growing federal government"

Bought and paid for by corporate intersts like the Koch family and Freedom Works.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 27, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit its a better strategy tying extreme views to the tea party than trying to find individual instances of racist tea signs at the gatherings and try and paint them as racists which turns into a Jerry Springer yell fest.

I don't know if people have put extreme views and tea party together yet but if they keep pounding at it I'm not sure how people won't soon wake up and realize it.

I'd just keep up with the 'they have legitimate points on deficits' but where they are dead wrong is where they think dismantling SS, Medicare/Medicaid and picking out the bits of the Constitution they don't like is a good idea.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 27, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I am worried about the
Tea Party candidates winning, not for what it would do to the Democratic Party, but because of what it would do to The Republican Party.

If The Tea Party Candidates end up winning a number of races, then there will be no hope left, for a Moderate to rationally Conservative Republican Party being rejuvenated, for many years come.

That would be terrible for the future of the country. We need a strong viable, and rational two party system.

I wonder if moderate right of center voters see the danger in the Tea Party types becoming the wave of the future in The Republican Party. If they do, they might want to seriously think about voting to defeat this movement, while they still have a chance to take back their party, and restore it, to the way it should be.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

sue, are you saying that there are no ordinary citizens that protest a bloated and growing federal government? It's all a big conspiracy? You really believe that?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The problem for Dems is that the difference between "working" and "not working" is only in how much blood is spilled in the coming bloodbath. Nothing they do is going to change that fact that November is going to be very bad for them.

Posted by: johnyt1977 | August 27, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"'m wondering whether the more general national strategy of constantly harping on the Tea Party is really having any impact in swing districts where the candidates aren't really Tea Partiers"

Greg, in answering this question I find it instructive to look at the Blue Dog Dems.

Blue Dogs often differ with Dem leadership on policy issues, but unless I'm incorrect we've NEVER seen them endorse such Tea Party ideas as rescinding the 14th amendment or birtherism or any of the more extreme Tea Party positions.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Liam, if you're going to lump us all together, don't be surprised when we act, all together. I think this is Greg's point.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"but it makes me happy to know that such spontaneous political movements are still possible in this nation"

Spontaneous? Really?

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@Liam-still: I consider myself moderate right of center, though judging by the comments here, most will probably think me far right. But let me reply. The Republican Party is defined as a whole, not by its individual members. The party is moving to the right, but that is what is needed in response to the massive deficits and overreaching of the present administration. The new members are not going to radically change the party.

Posted by: hijinks55 | August 27, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

What worries me is that the Republicans are masters of winning the rhetorical battle. They have convinced many people that Obama is a Muslim sympathizer (or even a Muslim), have convinced people the economic problems are the fault of Democrats, and have attracted ENDLESS attention on Cable TV making their outraged (and outrageous) assertions and pandering to the fears of low-information voters. The Dems seem powerless to counteract so much negative energy. So, the president gets no credit for what he has accomplished, while an angry and highly partisan rally, fueled by cash from the Koch brothers gets to be the big story. What is wrong with this picture?

Posted by: DevorahLeah1 | August 27, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

In all honesty, I'd like to see today's set of Republicans, specifically the corporate sell outs get replaced by tea party types. Real tea party people, not phony's like Rubio. That guy's just another corporate mouthpiece with a pretty face.

At that point there could be an honest discussion about the role of Govn't. Most of today's Republicans are all positioning themselves to appease their corporate masters and just echo lobbyist talking points.

If today's type of Republicans take over you'll just get more laws shaped to benefit Business and hurt the American labor.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 27, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

From my perspective behind the Orange curtain - the Dem Tea Party strategy isn't having any impact whatsoever. As a matter of fact, the GOP candidates for Governor and Senator are doing better than would be expected.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

sbj3, I also don't think either of them is talking about enemies of the state and suggesting 2nd amendment remedies to tyranny.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | August 27, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The Repubs are out of power, so they are energized to get out and vote in November. SB 1070, the NY "mosque", death panels, Beckmania et al are currently winning the day for them. To counter this retro-nihilism, Dems have got to realize what is at stake and make a major effort to get to the polling booth.

Posted by: dozas | August 27, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The country has been to the right, ever since the election of the Gipper.

Republicans were in control of the White house for seven out of the previous ten terms.

The only exceptions were Carter, as a rebound date, after the Nixon/Ford fiasco, and Ford had never won anything except a safe congressional seat.

Clinton would not have won, if Perot had not siphoned off so many right of center votes from Bush.

So let us now, look at who actually ran up huge budget deficits, and did not maintain low employment.

Clinton was not to blame. He added many many millions of jobs, and left office with an annual budget surplus in place.

Bush/Cheney added no net jobs, after their eight years in office, squandered trillions on two small wars, that they totally screwed up, and left office with massive annual budget deficits in place.

Republicans are the ones who have the history of triggering Depressions, and Great Recessions, and of also not stimulating the jobs market.

It is amusing to see some right of center people trying to pretend that they are voting against Democrats, because of what the Republican party brought about.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

It's not working, nor can it work. As Eugene Robinson wrote:

"But many will attend for other reasons, and they're the ones I feel sorry for. **As the growth of the Tea Party movement clearly demonstrates, millions of Americans feel alienated from their government, distressed about the economy and frightened of the future. Their concerns deserve to be heard.** [And as long as they're not heard and addressed...] Instead, their anxieties are exploited by hucksters who see fear and anger as marketing tools."

On the other side of the "hucksters" (that is the Right for the nekulturny among you) you have, as Glenn Greenwald so aptly put it:

"...the Democratic Party's failure/refusal/inability to be anything other than the Party of Tim Geithner -- continuing America's endless, draining Wars while plotting to cut Social Security, one of the few remaining guarantors of a humane standard of living -- renders them unable to offer answers to angry, anxious, resentful Americans."

Since the Democrats are the ones in power, they're the ones who didn't deliver. Yes! I'm as aware as anyone can be that the Reichpubliscums used the filibuster and every other dirty goddamned trick in the book for crass political purposes while Rome is burning.

HOWEVER, the fact remains that the Obama administration, **when it came to crucial and meaningful choices affecting main stream America**, [Spare me the Politifact score card!] decided early on to coddle Corporate America, the National Security State and the military-industrial complex and neglect to provide Main Street America with a cogent political story, the deeds to back it up and proof that they really cared about those who were not politically connected or wealthy.

Furthermore, Obama systematically refused to engage mano a mano with the Republicans. This bipartisanship BS just provided false justification that the Right might be, well, right.

Bottom Line: Dems can attack the Tea Party as much as they wish, but we STILL have to hear what THEY have to say about themselves.

Posted by: grosmec | August 27, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Good thread, all. I wonder if we should do this more often: Throw a question out there and let you guys dig into it.

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 27, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@mike: "sbj3, I also don't think either of them is talking about enemies of the state and suggesting 2nd amendment remedies to tyranny."

Well, duh - but that's not Greg's point.

"I'm wondering whether the more general national strategy of constantly harping on the Tea Party is really having any impact in swing districts where the candidates aren't really Tea Partiers..."

You'd have to look and see how Whitman and Fiorina are polling in swing districts but they *have* to be doing well in some to be polling even or ahead statewide.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@daveredhat

We are not saying there are no ordinary citizens involved in the tea party..or that all of you are racists..or bought and paid for by DICK Armey and the Koch brothers. But it is very clear from the evidence that Armey, Koch and others founded, funded, and organized many tea party activities and Fox News literally promoted, and organized, and covered many tea party events. While we understand there is much to be upset in the land the bloated government and taxation memes are the result of many distortions created by Fox and their minions.

Can you handle facts Dave? For example you do know that our taxes are amongst the lowest in the civilized world...but perhaps more importantly to keep things in perspective that our taxes now are at their lowest point since 1950. Can you comprehend that Dave. Our taxes are at their lowest since freaking 1950!!!!

http://www.usatoday.com/money/perfi/taxes/2010-05-10-taxes_N.htm

But that's what disturbs us most about the tea party...they are largely a fact free organization led by propagandists who literally lie and deceive gullible folks like you Dave.

An example of the lying...this whole brouhaha over Arizona's immigration law.
It was promoted and advanced under the guise that the Mexican hordes are taking over Arizona and crime is running rampant.
Do you take the time to do due diligence Dave or do you simply swallow your Fox pablum whole...here is the reality of crime in Arizona...according to FBI statistics crime has FALLEN four consecutive years. So all those tea party leaders...Palin..Bachmann and others are either ignorant or pandering liars..I'll let you decide Dave...but when the tea party starts using facts instead of bullspit we'll listen to you.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/new-fbi-data-confirms-falling-crime-rates-arizona

By the way Dave the entire concept of you guys being a tea party is absurd. The original tea party was in protest of taxation without representation by a FOREIGN POWER!!!

You guys are allowed to vote...you are represented in Democratic fashion...you may not like the results of elections but that's the way our nation works. You guys are not tea partiers but New Confederates who wish to rebel against the United States..you are talking Civil War not the revolution. You guys can't seem to get anything straight factually!!!

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Dozas is correct. The issue will be voter turnout.

Democratic voters, imo, are just not as succeptible to fear mongering as Republican voters. Trying to scare them into voting with Sharon Angle and the other fruitloops probably won't work. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"I wonder if we should do this more often: Throw a question out there and let you guys dig into it."

I, for one, would like that.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Liam. My, you sure can spin those castles in the air. Meanwhile, who's in control of the White house now? who's in control of congress now? How are the current policies working right now?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is The Far Right Wing Of The Republican Party.

It is not a separateentity. In case you are still fooled into thinking that it is, then just take a look at which party it rallys for, and which party's primaries it votes in. It is Far Right Republicans trying to crowd out, less extreme Republicans.

In fact: The two Billionare brothers, who funded the start of the so called "populist"(hah!) teaparty movement are actually self proclaimed Libertarians.

It was never a grassroots populist start up movement. It was ginned by two billionaire brothers, who used the likes of Dick Armey, to hide behind. Does no one even recall, that Dick Armey was a career long Washington Republican politician.

It turns out that The Teabaggers were not a Populist Movement, but instead are just a bunch of easily fooled Koch Suckers.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib...I too hope you're wrong but you may be right. As I sit here in Florida I'm still shell shocked that there are people supporting Wretched Scott. They have written letters to the editor that say.."Well he may have a few warts"...a few freaking warts? OMG!!!!!!!! By now you've all read of his "warts" and so I won't enumerate.

What is sad is that the Tea Party is so fact free...they really are upset...who isn't in this economy...but they can't really figure out why and so Fox news tells them...of course mainly with lies and distortions which is what makes the tea partiers so sad. They are like the folks who followed Jim Jones to Guyana. We all want salvation but be careful who you follow. We all want to get out of the mess G.W. left us...two wars and MOST IMPORTANTLY a horrid economy and a hate spewing fright wing with the likes of Lizard Cheney.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

rukidding, it warms my heart to see you so upset. If you progressives think high taxes are so great, then raise them. You control both houses of congress, and the presidency. Please do. In fact, just let those mean old Bush tax cuts expire. I dare you.

And how many bodies have to stack up on the Mexican border before you admit that there's a problem?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Dave...again I see you operate in a fact free zone. You don't believe the FBI stats that show bodies are NOT STACKING UP on the border. Hyperbole much Dave?

You're not happy that we have the lowest taxes since 1950. Cmon dude I give you facts and links and you give me NOTHING but bs in return.

Posted by: rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Would that generate sympathy for Beck or would the country wake up and realize when you twist the tail of the Tiger you have to pay a price?
rukidding7 | August 27, 2010 3:41 PM"

I'd really like a clarification of this comment, please. I trust you are not insinuating that if a group of people disagree with the direction of the country and exercise their right of peaceful assembly and free speech, they are somehow bringing violence upon themselves.



Posted by: marybel9999 | August 27, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Liam, you can spout that Koch story to endear yourself to your like-minded friends in here, but you are deluding yourself to your own detriment if you really believe it.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

What say you, readers? Any signs this strategy is working?

No.

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

rukidding, are you really unaware of the violence on the border? It's not hyperbole. Body counts are breaking records.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/24/nation/la-na-border-deaths-20100824

And, yes, for the record, I would LOVE lower taxes.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

What President Obama has done, since he took office, less than two years ago has worked. It has staunched the blood loss that was gushing from the massive economic wound that the Bush/Cheney policies had inflicted on the nation.

It has ended the loss of jobs, and started to see some net employment figures, which historically have always lagged behind a recovery.

He has passed a health care bill, that has ended the Insurance Practice of running death panels by dropping people, who they calculated might be going to have some serious health care issues.

He has passed a law that has ended the practice of paying women, less for doing the very same work, as their male colleagues. Anyone who does not think that was a great thing to have done, must not love their daughters, sisters, mothers, nieces, wifes, or sweethearts.

He has passed banking reform, and credit care reform, which has ended many of the gouging practices, of the recent past.

Two women added to the Supreme Court.

and not yet even two years in office.

A fantastic accomplishment by a new President who was handed an Economic Catastrophy, and two badly mishandled wars, the day he took over from Bush/Cheney.

Republicans are the Arsonists who Burned our Economy to the ground, and are now carping about too much water being used to fight their inferno, and why hasn't it being rebuild overnight.

Vote for Republicans, and you will be voting to hand the matches and Gasoline to the very same Arsonists who burned down your Economy, the last time around.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The problem for the Dems is that they aren't really promoting anything either. Too many conservadems are scared to run on the record of bringing the economy back from the brink of the Great Depression II and none of them are ready to endorse additional steps that could/should be taken to get the economy to actually create jobs again.

So, it doesn't really matter how the Dems cast the Republicans as Tea Party fringe conservative crazies, in the minds of the pubic, the Dems are no better if they aren't FOR something.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | August 27, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It's a bloody shame they can't compete for voters with ideas, rather than name-calling. You shouldn't wish your life away, but it would be nice if next month was November.

Posted by: stvcar | August 27, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are not promoting anything except "No No No", and since The Tax Cuts did not create any jobs, and did create a massive annual budged deficit, let's renew them.

That is all the Republicans are promoting.

Let Us Return To Our Old Failed Policies, That Brought About The Great Recession, And Massive Budget Deficits:

This message brought to you by your Republican Party.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

All these Progressives comforting themselves by telling each other that the TEA Party movement is nothing but the astroturf, racist far-right wing of the GOP reminds me of Hitler comforting the German people in 1945 by telling them that the American Army was nothing but a degenerate bunch of weak and cowardly mongrels....

Posted by: pmendez | August 27, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@Liam: "[Obama] has passed a law that has ended the practice of paying women, less for doing the very same work, as their male colleagues."

Bzzzzt! The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 doesn't do that at all.

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

matt_ahrens has it mostly right.

I think part of the problem is that the Dems have accomplished so much, yet many of those accomplishments won't take effect for several years. Up until the legislation takes effect the Republicans will be able to say that the bills passed by the Dems will lead to the extinction of happiness and thousands of random puppy beatings.

If the GOP and the Dems switched places in Freaky Friday style I suspect the following would happen: The GOP would tell Latinos that the Democrats were setting up concentration camps where Latinos would be turned into cat food. They would say the only chance Latinos have is to show up at the polls and vote for Republicans.

But the Dems don't do fear mongering nearly as well as Republicans. While this is one of the many reasons I tend to vote for Democrats, it can be a drag from a partisan perspective.

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Every poll I've seen shows people's disgust with the Congress, but the GOP polls much worse than the Dems. We don't have a viable choice in this country. If you are pissed off with one party, you don't have any option but to vote for the other one. Dems have to concentrate on the independent voter, who really doesn't follow politics except, perhaps, every four years.The right wing trolls on this board are already a lost cause.
The GOP has already committed a strategic blunder by announcing that if they control Congress they will be having a bunch of hearings about the so-called misdeeds of the Obama Admin. Dems need to hit them over the head with this. More fun and games circa Clinton 1996, while the country's economy is circling the drain. Segments of the voting public are like spoiled children who need instant gratification. Dems need to talk about being the only party that is working to get us out of this mess that started with the GOP, and it's not going to be completed in 2 years, or even 4 years.
With the GOP in charge the economy will continue to tank. Since Teddy Roosevelt became a Bull Moose, the GOP, as an entity, has never once in 100 years contributed to the betterment of this country.

Posted by: filmnoia | August 27, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

72 Killed in Drug Cartel Violence Near the U.S. Border

http://washingtonindependent.com/95857/72-killed-in-drug-cartel-violence-near-the-u-s-border

Mexican Drug Cartels' New Weapon In Border War – The Car Bomb

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/mexican-drug-cartels-weapon-border-war-car-bomb/story?id=11383665

Drug-cartel gun battles, killings and kidnappings

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704488404575441671125174964.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

want more?

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"It's true that Dems have succeeded in keeping the GOP's brand tarnished"

Does the GOP need any help from them?

Is it a strategy to state the obvious?

Posted by: martymar123 | August 27, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Liam, when you get upset, you go into spasms of vomiting democrat talking points. It's quite comical.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

As a national strategy, I think it will fail. Media networks have been talking about the Tea Party folks for a year. The Tea Party folks ( of which I am one ) have been portayed as racist bigots whose only goal is to see the president and the Dems fail over and over and over again. What has been the result? Most people are ambivalent, and the people who have opinions are pretty evenly divided by those who support them and those who oppose. I am an Independent who has voted for Democrats and Republicans. I think most politicians are pretty worthless, so every two years I take a look and ask myself, "Who will do the least harm this time?" In general, I like a divided government. I voted for the Dems in 2006 and GOP in 2008. I wanted a check on Bush after the GOP came into power and I was adamantly opposed to the Iraq War. I thought the Dems would take the Executive Branch in 2008, so I voted GOP. What happened after the 2008 election? Everything I feared. An ill conceived stimulus package that spent a trillion dollars and did not work as advertised. A year long battle over health care that all halfway intelligent Americans realized would not cut costs and reduce the deficit, no matter how many times the Democrats said it would do both. All this, and what were Americans worried about? The economy and jobs. Energy could have been much better spent looking for ways to get the US out of this mess instead of arguing over every little thing that required a "beer summit." The Tea Party is a direct result of ticked off people who are correct in that their government is not listening to them. Are there some racist Tea Partiers? Sure. Pick any segment of the population , say by age: 20-30? Racists in that group? Sure. Not as many as in a 70-80 year old group, but you see the point. Ask yourself this question as a voter, and it will probably answer your general question in this article," Is it possible for anyone who is not an incumbent in this election cycle to represent your concerns LESS than the current congressional representatives?" People are elected to Congress to represent their constituents. When they do not, as is the case in the 111th Congress, Americans have one thing and one thing only to say at the polls..."You're fired!" It matters not how often or how loud the pundits and the partisans malign the Tea Party. They are, at the very least, representing Americans, and they have every right to do so. Sorry, Dems, this cake is baked. If the GOP does not listen, either, we'll see you in 2012!

Posted by: HillaryClintonSuppoter | August 27, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Democrats created Social Security to protect the elderly.

Democrats have also defended Social Security from The Republicans who keep on trying to destroy it.

If the Elderly, and those soon to retire, want to make sure that Social Security survives, they better vote for Democrats.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

marybel9999,

I'm going to exercise my right of peaceful assembly and free speech by protesting against Christmas Mass at St. Patrick's Cathedral. In fact I'm going to give a speech on the steps of the cathedral about how Jesus Christ was a Commie and how I, Ethan, am here to reclaim Christianity for its rightful purpose.

It's a free country. If I have the permit to protest peacefully I am free to protest your faith in Jesus Christ right in front of your face even if you don't like it.

I trust that you won't think that I am somehow bringing violence upon myself for protesting Jesus Christ on Christmas Day in front of a landmark associated with Christianity.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Caption Contest!

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/08/caption_contest_for_the_ages.php?ref=fpblg

Posted by: suekzoo1 | August 27, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Look at how many Tea Party types keep blaming President Obama for the TARP bailout, that President Bush actually asked for and signed into law.

Bush sent Henry Paulson up to Capitol Hill, where he got down on his knees and plead for the TARP bailout, or else the nation was going collapse. Yet, so many Tea Party types are so befuddled, that the are blaming President Obama for what Bush did.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse


According to the FBI, the four large U.S. cities (with populations of at least 500,000) with the lowest violent crime rates — San Diego, Phoenix and the Texas cities of El Paso and Austin — are all in border states. "The border is safer now than it's ever been," U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Lloyd Easterling told the Associated Press last month. Even Larry Dever, the sheriff of Arizona's Cochise County, where the murder last March of a local rancher, believed to have been committed by an illegal immigrant, sparked calls for the law, conceded to the Arizona Republic recently that "we're not seeing the [violent crime] that's going on on the other side."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2007474,00.html

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat is purposely conflating the drug cartel violence with the anti-immigration issue in the Southwest. They have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: bmcchgo | August 27, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

If you do the St. Patty's [a landmark associated w/Christianity...giggle]
protest over the holidays, let us know.

I'd definitely show up for that!

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

sorry bm. nobody told me that drug cartel violence doesn't count.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

If we were really worried about the drug problem on the border we would legalize marijuana...

But we can't do that because... well... because.

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Greg, I'm not sure I can agree with much of your reasoning here.

The elevation of the nastiest and most brutish elements of the Tea Party has come from its two most celebrated and attention-driven advocates, Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. These two don't just state their opinions on the issues....they use nasty and hate-filled language and violent imagery. How many times has Sarah Palin told someone to "reload"?

What's wrong with Democrats pointing out the obvious here?

You write,.... "Large chunks don't have an opinion of the Tea Party, while those who do have an opinion are roughly split on whether they view it favorably or unfavorably."

...but what about this CBS poll?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014854-503544.html

54% do not support the Tea Party. Only 29% do support it, and only 17% have no opinion.

Granted, that shows a slight gain for the Tea Party, but still, I think it's inaccurate for you to say that people are roughly split. According to this CBS poll, almost twice as many people disapprove of the Tea Party as approve of it.

I worry about the media, egged on by Fox News and its star clown, Glenn Beck, perpetuating the trumped-up significance of what is essentially an ill-informed, misguided and gullible group of conservatives.

Posted by: elscott | August 27, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The Drug Cartel are being fueled by the demand for Drugs in the USA,


and here I thought that First Lady, Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign had put a stop to all that.

You want to end Drug Cartels; purchase the plants, from the growers, and give free drugs to addicts, coupled with clinical care. Once you out bid the cartels for the plants, and you take away paying customers, the cartel will go the way of th Prohibition era gangs.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Ethan. You'll have to get in line behind PETA, the gays, the atheists, and the feminists. Catholics are used to protests.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@daveredhat:sorry bm. nobody told me that drug cartel violence doesn't count.

The violence you cite is all on the Mexico side of the border. But now give us a link of how Phoenix is now the kidnapping capitol of the US (according to Kyl and McCain)? Or how about those ranchers in Arizona taken over by drug cartels? Or all the headless bodies in Arizona desert according to Gov. Brewer?

Posted by: bmcchgo | August 27, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

bmcchgo - He can't because that isn't happening.

That link to time is pretty good, here is another passage:


An even more telling example is El Paso. Its cross-border Mexican sister city, Ciudad Juárez, suffered almost 2,700 murders last year, most of them drug-related, making it possibly the world's most violent town. But El Paso, a stone's throw across the Rio Grande, had just one murder. A big reason, say U.S. law-enforcement officials, is that the Mexican drug cartels' bloody turf wars generally end at the border and don't follow the drugs into the U.S. Another, says El Paso County Sheriff Richard Wiles, is that "the Mexican cartels know that if they try to commit that kind of violence here, they'll get shut down."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2007474,00.html#ixzz0xqHzC6Bo

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Stupid public! Worried about illegal immigration. What a bunch of maroons - they must all be Tea Partiers!

Latest CBS poll:

"The American public is almost evenly divided as to whether current law should be changed so that children of illegal immigrants born in the United States do not automatically become citizens, a new CBS News poll finds. Forty-nine percent say the law should be kept as is, while 47 percent say it should be changed.

"Among Democrats, 59 percent say the law should stay as is. Fifty-four percent of Republicans think it should be changed so that children born to illegal immigrants do not automatically become U.S. citizens. Independents are divided: 47 percent say the law should stay as is, while 49 percent say it should be changed.

"Most Americans continue to see illegal immigration as a very serious problem in the U.S. - a view that has held steady over the past four years. Sixty-one percent say it is a "very serious" problem, while an additional 27 percent say it is somewhat serious.

"Moreover, 77 percent of Americans think the U.S. could be doing more to stop illegal immigrants from entering the country. Fewer than one in five thinks the U.S. is doing all it can."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20014853-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

bm, so those lives don't matter unless they make it across?

And all you pro-pot people, give it up. You're never going to get your free dope.

Posted by: daveredhat | August 27, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Wrong Dave. They get you, and you are a Free Dope!

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I trust that you won't think that I am somehow bringing violence upon myself for protesting Jesus Christ on Christmas Day in front of a landmark associated with Christianity.
Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 4:44 PM

So you think the Beck rally on Sat. is about protesting MLK? Are you serious?

Posted by: marybel9999 | August 27, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

bm, so those lives don't matter unless they make it across?

More conflating. When did you Republicans give a rats ass about migrant workers being killed in Mexico? It has nothing to do with US immigration policy and you know it.

Btw, you're rich Conservative friends are the only ones that can afford good weed these days.

Posted by: bmcchgo | August 27, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

sbj3 - So the American people are misninformed? The actual numbers certainly don't back up their irrational fears.

I wonder where they got these misperceptions? Hmmmmmm

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

So, why didn't Bush fix the border when he was in power for eight years? How come it is only a serious problem, the rare times, that a Democrat is in the White House.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@nisleib: "sbj3 - So the American people are misninformed? The actual numbers certainly don't back up their irrational fears."

I don't understand what you mean?

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"So you think the Beck rally on Sat. is about protesting MLK? Are you serious?"

You don't? Are you serious?

It is in the EXACT SAME PLACE and on the EXACT SAME DATE as MLK's speech... AND he is seeking to "reclaim" the civil rights movement.

"This is a moment, quite honestly, that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement."

Again, you DON'T think that this has something to do with MLK?

Are you serious?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, Rush Limbaugh condemned what he sees as President Obama's "arrogance," and said the president is like "some" African Americans who say the "Fourth of July ain't no big deal to me, yo."

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201008260036

Gotta love Rush.

Posted by: cmccauley60 | August 27, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

It isn't the democrats strategy that needs watching.

The people who need watching are the T-S.

For a generation the Conservative wing of the republican party was content to lose Congressional elections while they drove out the moderates and centrists so they could have Party Homogeneity.

Now they sort of have it, but several conservative factions believe THEY ought to have full control of the party, and suddenly the T-s, who are now heavily loaded with those democrats who swore they would never vote democratic again after Johnson signed the Civil Rights Acts, may be the biggest plurality in the party. So now there is a very Republican contest going among the factions to let the dems win Senate and Representative seats to keep the "Not Con Enough" candidates from winning.

Independent voters who want to stay out of the line of fire stay home or vote ANYBODY ELSE.

That hurts the R's, who HAVE to have Is to win, more than it hurts Ds, who just need a split of Is to prevail.

Posted by: ceflynline | August 27, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@liam: "How come it is only a serious problem, the rare times, that a Democrat is in the White House."

Were you, perhaps, taking an extended nap during the Bush presidency? (Have you figured out yet what the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act actually does?)

Posted by: sbj3 | August 27, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

bmcchgo - Ironically one of the reasons comprehensive immigration reform is unlikely to happen is that the MONEY behind the GOP likes things the way they are. They get the cheap labor they want, and by keeping them illegal they deny Democrats a huge influx of new (most likely) reliable Democratic voters.

Dave - Who was talking about free dope? The thing is, I've never heard a good reason why weed should be illegal and alchohol and cigs are not. I honestly don't think this should be a partisan issue though, both parties have ideological elements that SHOULD be pushing for an end to prohibition, but both parties avoid the subject like a plague.

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"So the American people are misinformed?"

No, I don't think so.

"The actual numbers certainly don't back up their irrational fears."

Irrational? Fearful? You're talking about the American people, in aggregate.
Right?

Do you ever consider what you sound like when you write things like that?

Warms the heart.

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

SBJ,

So you are saying that President Bush actually solved the Border Problem. Good to know. Now go tell it to all those Addled Teabaggers, that you have so much in common with.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

SBJ,

So Arizona actually passed their Emigration round up law, while Bush was in the White House, and John McCain was fully behind it, back then.

Good to know.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I live in a small town in central Pennsylvania and I can tell you that mockery of the Tea Party only confirms peoples' suspicions that liberals are elitist and don't get it. The liberal critique of the Tea Party simply activates their underlying conceptual metaphor. Read the book by neuroscientist George Lakoff, The Political MInd, for a humdinger of an explanation.
Right now, in regard to framing the debate, it's a conservative's world, and liberals are (sadly) only living in it.

Posted by: jmk833 | August 27, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still asks, "So, why didn't Bush fix the border when he was in power for eight years? How come it is only a serious problem, the rare times, that a Democrat is in the White House."

As I've pointed out, there is actually less of a problem now than there was a few years ago.

So why is it people are so upset about the immigration issue now?

I'd guess economic fear leads to scapegoating and that the best scapegoats are people who are not like us.

I'd also guess that certain elements of the American media, and right-wingers in general, have a vested interest in scaring the pants off of Americans and are opportunistically using Mexicans (and Muslims) to do so.

Posted by: nisleib | August 27, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I bet Beck takes a picture of MLK and tears it in half like Sinead tore up the Pope's pix on SNL. The TP Orcs will go nutz!

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Tao,

Are you too wetting your bed on a nightly basis, because of the sight of a drawing of the facade, for a proposed building renovation.

Are you too wetting your bed, on a nightly basis, out of fear, of undocumented fetuses.

If you are, and from many of your recent comments, you appear to be, then I am glad that you are doing so in what you perceive to be your standard rational manner.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Sinead has since been proven to have been right about how the Vatican operates. Look at all the revelations that have come out since about those sexual predators.

The Dixie Chicks have also been proven to have been right, so when are they going to get their apology.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

SBJ,

So you are telling me that while Bush was in power, his party started to repeal the fourteenth amendment, and started dredging for "anchor babies"

Good to know.

Here I though they just started that now, after a Democrat became President.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

jmk833,

I'm from a small town in New York State and I can tell you that the Tea Party's mockery of President Obama and people in the Democratic Party only confirms that conservatives such as yourself are truly ignorant and just don't get it.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

daveredhat-

has unfortunately bought the hype and is afraid of his own shadow-per the designs of the Right-Wing fearmongers.

Shame that. Bet he doesn't know that illegal immigration has been steadily on the *decline* since 2000.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | August 27, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

All, Happy Hour Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/08/happy_hour_roundup_81.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | August 27, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Irrational. check
Fearful. check
Easily deceived. check
Manipulated. check
Animus toward Mex/Musl (subliminally, of course). check

We LuvU2, nisleib!
Yours Truly,

The American People

{{{Didn't this thread start re: Dem startegies, snortglegig!}}}

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

What isn't wrong with conservatives?

Posted by: hoser3 | August 27, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Kijinks commented, "The party is moving to the right, but that is what is needed in response to the massive deficits and overreaching of the present administration."

What was your opinion when George Bush fought two unfunded wars and gpot Congress to pass Medicare Part D (for drug benefit) and two massive tax cuts that are now, by design, expiring? Are you aware these are the primary causes of the current deficits? Are you aware the debt doubled under George Bush?
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm

Were you concerned about government overreaching when Bush greatly exanded surveillance, including widespread wiretapping and data collection and mining, and set up prisons overseas where people were held without charge and tortured?

It is hard to take people like you seriously.

Posted by: Mimikatz | August 27, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Tao if that is you, in your most coherent sober state, one jar of Guinness must turn you into an unintelligible fart mouth.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

1) What the hell are you talking about, boyo? Facades...fetuses. ???

2) "Wetting the bed" is so '03. Catch up, sliotar.

3) Wet brain comes at your age from those early afternoon Jameson's. Ease uuup.

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Liam (I have'n a drop today, or ages for that matter). Greg starts a thread re: Dem strategies. The winds don't look gentle for the Dems come up November. A confirmation litany/novena starts up at PL blaming the poooer misguided TP sotz for the Dems troubles, and how's it going with the oppo to make them TP's look monstrous.

Well, it's not the TeaParty. It's not Fox or Koch or Beck.

It's the 2ndQ GDP revised down .8 points and 500K plus 475K jobless in the last two surveys. With more definitely to come.

Strategize away, gang. Peace.

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

@Tao please explain your take on the Lilly Ledbetter Act:http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-11http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-11

Posted by: DinOH | August 27, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Dems straegy won't work. Their plan for the economy didn't work...their plan for increasing employment didn't work, their plan for stopping Iran didn't work...in fact nothing they have tried has work, and this, like everything else the Dems have ttried will also fail and they will be crushed in the midterms.

Posted by: Realist201 | August 27, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"@Tao please explain your take on the Lilly Ledbetter"

Dances a great Lindy.

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone who identifies with the Tea Party know who Charles and David Koch are? Do you know what corporate entities are behind "Americans for Prosperity"?

If you are a tea party supporter, you should know who is financing your movement.

Posted by: jvlem | August 27, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Shorter Tao9

Voters should be really pissed at the Democrats for not having waved a magic wand, and instantly restored the Economy, that Republicans Destroyed.

That is a good one. Turn the Fire Fighting and Rebuilding over to the Republican Arsonists who Burned The House Down.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

There will be little opportunity to determine whether any strategy or tactic works--because life is lived in real time. If the Dems lose substantially less than the normal number of off-year following a Presidential election seat losses, then it can be said "it worked" or "the GOP blew it." If it is anywhere near the average number, well, it was that kind of year. If it is a far higher number than usual, then the strategy/tactic didn't work, but the economy is in an extraordinary recession, and perhaps nothing would have worked. In short, we will all be able to spend as much time as we wish on Monday (in this case Wednesday), debating the coach's call on Sunday (Tuesday).

Posted by: samkaplan@hotmail.com | August 27, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Sargent, If you want to know the truth about what's going on with the Tea Party movement, GOP involvement and Dems' Strategy, here it is:

1. Tea Party Movement - It's comprised of ordinary citizens who see the economy going over a cliff, Obama and the Dems massive spending on programs that clearly haven't worked (unless you believe the bogus gov't figures), the ineffectiveness of Obama's foreign policy (many world leaders openly mock him) and total disregard to hear the voices of it's citizens. When Santelli said "Tea Party" it clicked with those who were frustrated because no one was listening. So average Americans started local Tea Parties. The first one was Feb. 27, 2010 and from there it has grown as a method to let Obama and Congress know how they feel about their massive spending. Now it includes other issues which concern our citizens, but that's how it started. There was one started in my town by two homemakers. Not the GOP. The members come from all walks of life, every political party or none and represent every race & religion. No kidding. But the press won't tell the whole story. I was waiting in line at a venue and a woman struck up a conversation with me. She told me of her concern with the economy, with our foreign policy and with Obama. And she had voted for him. She was from another state and was going to find a local Tea Party org. in her town when she returned. This is only one story but there are many and Obama, the Dems and the MSM don't have a clue. These are ordinary citizens who are fed up with their government's actions. I think if Bush had been in office last year the Tea Party would have still occurred if he continued the spending.

2. The GOP - They do not fund or sponsor the majority of the Tea Party movements. They may sponsor a small % of the high profile ones but the vast majority are run by ordinary citizens. Our local one is changing their website because they are going to charge them. The local TP doesn't have big money, just members chipping in a few dollars for printing fliers, etc. They amused when the MSM links them with the GOP. They're as disappointed in GOP as they are in the Dems.

3. The Dems' Strategy isn't working because the TP members aren't crazy wack-jobs, that's a creation of the MSM and Dems. TP members are ordinary citizens and those not participating know these people who are their parents, neighbors and co-workers. They know they are John Q. Public. Until the Dems & MSM come down from the Ivory Towers and listen to the concerns of average citizens, they will still be clueless.

The MSM and Congress live in a "cocoon" unaware of what's going on in the real world.

Greg, your blog is an example. You preach to the choir. Sure you may get some like myself, who "go against the grain," but there aren't many.

There is an unsettling in America and more citizens are waking up from their long slumber.

Posted by: janet8 | August 27, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The purpose of this isn't to win new voters. It is to divide the Republican Party while shoring up the Democratic Party voters. Divide the Republicans against each other, and unify Democrats by bashing Republicans.

Posted by: ChukStake | August 27, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Of course it will work, the media already has the story written and the heck with what actually happens, just one problem, you guys are all in the echo chamber and the voters aren't listening.
The whole "extremist" label is funny too, cause it fits the left and todays dems far better than the opposition.
But don't worry, be happy, no way the voters will actually not vote you all back in, right?
Right? oh sorry, bad word, I mean Correct!

Posted by: Saladin3 | August 27, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party was created and funded by two Oil Tycoon Brothers, The Koch Brothers. Some grass roots populists, those two oil industry billionaires.

Tea Baggers you have been had. You are just a bunch of easily duped Koch Suckers!

Keep on "taking your country back" on behalf of big Oil. Suckers. Suckers. Sucker. Koch Suckers!

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

I didn't say it was right, logical, or fair.

It is, however, what it is. Them's politics. And it's not the fault of the TP or the American polity overall that ya'll at PL find so appallingly dense (like the fine little toppers you are).

Posted by: tao9 | August 27, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

And the election chickens should not be counted yet, by the Republicans.


In Politics, a week is an eternity, and we have not yet begun the drive to remind voters that Boehner and McConnell are the very same chefs who cooked up the disaster that Bush ordered up.

We will remind voters that the last time they let those two guys handle the cooking, their rotten meals almost killed us all.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"These are ordinary citizens who are fed up with their government's actions"

janet8,

Is Dick Armey an ordinary citizen?

What about Glenn Beck?

How about Sarah Palin?

How about Michelle Bachmann?

How about The Koch Brothers?

The fact that you flat-out ignore those people in your comments proves that you are willing to ignore the fact that this "movement" is a fraud.

Sorry, but that is the truth. And if it hurts? Good. It should hurt. That pain is caused by the fact that you are so used to being deceived and now your brain is being forced to reconcile that deception with the facts.

Truth be told, I care about "ordinary citizens" way more than I care about Dick Armey. If this actually WAS a grassroots movement then why is it being led by high profile far-right Conservatives? It's not a grassroots movement. It is a fraud. And sadly, you are being taken in.

I am just as concerned about this country as you are, janet8, the only difference is that I am well aware of the extreme conservative nature of the Tea Party -- and the fact that the conservatives basically destroyed the country over the last 10 years -- and you either are NOT aware of that or, again, you are willing to deceive yourself.

Either way, it is pitiful that you would turn to the conservatives after what they've done to this country.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | August 27, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 wrote:

"Is Dick Armey an ordinary citizen?

What about Glenn Beck?

How about Sarah Palin?

How about Michelle Bachmann?

How about The Koch Brothers?

The fact that you flat-out ignore those people in your comments proves that you are willing to ignore the fact that this "movement" is a fraud."


Greg was asking if the Dems' plan was working on calling the TP members wacko's, etc. and about the GOP.

Evidently, you didn't read what I wrote about the GOP and what is truely going on within the TP movement.

Those people you mention link themselves to the TP movement, and only the high-profile organizations I mentioned, but they are not involved in local TP orgs.

If you want to know the truth Ethan, next time there's a local TP, go ask the people who is running their local TP. Our local one is a homemaker.

And those people you mention are on the periphery of the real movement.

It's much bigger than people think.

Posted by: janet8 | August 27, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

A lot of Tea Party members appear to be very confused. They keep saying things such as: "Goverment, keep your hands off our Medicare", and many of them draw Social Security checks, while complaining about Government spending.

They can refuse those Social Security Checks, and turn down Medicare coverage, if they wish to reduce the national debt. I dare them to put their money where there mouths are. I bet they will not.

When Clinton left Office, there was full employment, and the Government was paying down the national debt.

Eight years later, when Bush left office, we had lost millions of jobs, the economy was in freefall, and the annual budget surplus had been turned into a huge annual budget deficit.

Somehow, many of the Tea Party members suffer convenient amnesia about that very recent history.

We all know why that is. It is because they are really a Republican Party Operation. They only rally for Republicans, and only back Republican candidates.

Grass Roots Populist Movement, My Arse? A bunch of lying Right Wing Republican Hypocrites trying to pass as something else, is what they really are.

Dick Armey is the ultimate long time Washington Pol, and yet The Phony Tea Party acts like he just appeared from out of the clouds, to lead them.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 27, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This is a doomed strategy. It worked last time because people actually did have hope in Obama and more importantly, they were disgusted by the right-wing idiots.

Fast forward to the present, with the population feeling hopeless and helpless, and a few right wing screwballs don't seem so bothersome, especially if they happen to represent the majority opinion on several major issues.

During times like these people are attracted to decisive and effective action, and the sight of Washington teeming with angry activists might appeal to the silent frustrations of many Americans.

Posted by: mjaplin | August 27, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Ethan 2010, I'm sorry if i misrepresented myself. I am a liberal. I just think that the liberal message isn't getting through in towns like the one I live in. Perhaps it never will, but Lakoff describes a path to reach the persuadables that, heretofore, have remained immune to a message that SHOULD resonate with them.
Liberals use language that only serves to activate a conservative conceptual metaphor. Liberals need to find a way to activate a liberal conceptual metaphor.
Read Lakoff.

Posted by: jmk833 | August 27, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me! Your average Democrat *agrees* with Beck. So does the average voter. The current crop of Democratic leaders is pro-free trade, pro- job outsourcing, pro- banks and Wall Street and corporations. Beck advocates using trade tariffs to KILL free trade. If that message comes across, then the Democrat's and the Neocon wing of the Republican Party are history! The people of this country want trade tariffs, want punitive taxes on offshore investments, want to put an end to multinational corporations, want to grow American businesses behind protectionist walls.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 27, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The Tea Party is the best thing that could have ever happened to the GOP - the smake is now beginning to eat it's own tail.

Posted by: Bushwhacked1 | August 27, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

First, I believe Beck is a contemptible human being and doesn't deserve all of this media attention.

Second, I believe the attempt to demonize him is a distraction. The goal is to prevent the anti-war movement from getting any traction in the voting booth.

In other words, if you vote against Beck, you may be voting for some incumbent who voted to pay for the Afghan War. A Democratic warmonger is just as bad as a Republican warmonger.

Beck may have some Tea Party support - however, he is not universally loved by the Tea Party. Many Tea Party people see Beck as a puppet on a string just trying to line his own pockets.

Posted by: alance | August 27, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The "Tea Party" is largely a creation of the corporate media. Progressive groups have been involved in much larger movements--like the tens of thousands of people who repeatedly marched in DC and NYC in protest of the Iraq invasion--and were ignored by the same media that can't let a day go by without providing free publicity to the ignorant rants of a minority of vocal bigots.

Posted by: Student_Of_Irony | August 27, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

No one likes being lied to and, if and when a cogent presentation is made by the Dems that, as has been well reported in the New Yorker, that the Tea Party and the Global Warming Deniers have both been rather well funded by the Koch brothers who, #1 are Texas oil men and #2, whose father founded the wacky John Birch Society, the scales may well fall from many peoples eyes.

Posted by: rkerg1 | August 27, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

No effect. An inanimate object can defeat a Democrat this November.

Posted by: AMQ1 | August 27, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I live in a very conservative, Republican part of the country (East TN). Obama barely got 30% of the vote in my county. If there is a perfect breeding ground for the Tea Party Movement it is here. And, to be sure, there are occasional Tea Party "conventions" and rallies around. But there is no sense of a groundswell of support for them. In fact, opinions on Obama have not appreciably changed much here. The Dems who supported him still do. The Republicans dislike him as much as they did in November 2008. The Tea Party hasn't contributed any real energy either. We just had a statewide GOP primary for Governor and the most moderate candidate (Bill Haslam) won easily. The so-called "Tea Party-supported" Ron Ramsey got embarrassed. As did Zach Wamp, who ran a tea party-esque campaign (though he couldn't claim legitimate support from the TP because of his obvious love of pork for Chattanooga).

I'm convinced that the whole tea party phenomenon is a media creation. Sure, the activists are out there. Some are dupes of rich wingnuts. Others are typical Republicans who pretend to have just discovered politics. Others are conspiracy-minded Paulites (we have lots of those in Southern Appalachia). But they aren't particularly powerful or interesting.

The Democrats' troubles are obvious: jobs. Sure, Republicans and GOP-leaning Independents were going to be angry at Democratic control of Washington (hampered as it is.) That's to be expected. But none of that would matter of the economy was appreciably improving.

Posted by: ElrodinTennessee | August 27, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

There's no need for Democrats to even have a Tea Party strategy. Most people will not take seriously a crowd of middle-aged to senior citizens who dress up in Halloween costumes, carry ungrammatical signs with spelling errors, and make assertions that they can't substantiate. Even worse, they make noise about Second Amendment solutions and mamma grizzlies, taking back their country, and reclaiming rights that they can't identify.
During the Civil Rights era, I asked my dad why news broadcasts so often included George Lincoln Rockwell, head of the American Nazi Party. Dad said "The more they show of him, the worse he looks. He thinks the publicity helps him, but it really hurts him."

Posted by: amstphd | August 27, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"Excuse me! Your average Democrat *agrees* with Beck. So does the average voter. The current crop of Democratic leaders is pro-free trade, pro- job outsourcing, pro- banks and Wall Street and corporations. Beck advocates using trade tariffs to KILL free trade. If that message comes across, then the Democrat's and the Neocon wing of the Republican Party are history! The people of this country want trade tariffs, want punitive taxes on offshore investments, want to put an end to multinational corporations, want to grow American businesses behind protectionist walls.

Posted by: mibrooks27"

A brilliant post. Only a rube sees any difference between these two thoroughly corrupt political parties whose only interests are self-perpetuation in power and enriching themselves and their friends with the public exchequer.

Posted by: garrafa10 | August 27, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

As a conservative I wonder: Restoring what honor? What are the real issues that make this “march on Washington” something to consider as important? Is it the economy? If so, the economy fell apart on the Republican’s watch if I remember correctly; some blame Clinton, but one would think that eight years of being in the Oval Office, if the Republicans had a “strategery” (as W would say), they would have employed it at the prudent time (as the Bush with brains would say). Is this about religion? If so, one would think that choosing a Mormon to spearhead it wouldn’t be a very good choice. Is it about taxes? In that case, one look at California and the policies of the loon in charge should make one consider that the nation has to collect revenue to pay for itself…and taxes is the way it is done. What’s it about? Is it about stupid and silly things like “Obama is a Muslim?” If it’s something more than the brainwashing that caused the chant “Drill, Baby, Drill!” to echo throughout the halls of the Republicans a couple of years back then I would like to know what that is, because I simply do not have a clue.

Posted by: newsboy3 | August 27, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

From day one, the Democrats underestimated the Tea Party. The Democrats looked at the Tea Party as lunatics instead of worthy opponents. The biggest mistake they made was underestimating their enemy. As a result, the Tea Party as branded President Obama as a left wing extremist, they have awaken their base and are in a position to take both the White House and the Senate. It does not look good for the Democrats in November!!!!!!

Posted by: wmw9967 | August 27, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

""Since the day President Obama was elected president, you've had a constant tirade against the president, against Democratic efforts to get the economy turned around. So let's call it what it is. It's a blatant political effort," Van Hollen said. "It's a turnoff to the sensible center and the people who constitute the key independent voters in these swing districts."

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What is funny is that Pelosi said on 60 Mins when she was about to take the Speaker of the House that she wanted nothing more than to make President Bush a lame duck.

So you tell me Dems, how is Pelosi's attitude any different than your "party of no" campaign! Stupid liberals!

Posted by: sanmateo1850 | August 27, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

According to Slate, NRO readers are mostly conservative 90% and most of the big conservative sites also hit the 90s. But a left-leaning site like HuffPo attracts 70 percent liberal and 30 percent conservative.

Doesn't that suggest that conservatives are far more actively seeking opposition points of view?

I know that's what I do — I read the NYT and HuffPo to check what the other side is screaming— But does the left do that ?

Well, not nearly in the same numbers as conservatives do.

Is this more confirmation of the New York Times Tea Party spring survey that the conservative-leaning Tea Party folks are better-educated than the average American ?

Slate now confirms conservatives are .. gasp.. better-read and more open to views on the Left. Tea Party folks are better-educated, better-read and more open-minded than their critics like Frank Rich, Charles Blow, and Greg Sargent like to imagine.

Who knew Tea party folks were smarter than liberals ?

Posted by: Petras123 | August 27, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Insulting and belittling the voters has worked so well for the pinhead racist Obama and the democrats so far.... don't stop now. Maybe we will see the error of our ways and come around to our senses and see that big government and high taxes are what's best for us "little people".

Posted by: carlbatey | August 27, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Insulting and belittling the voters has worked so well for the pinhead racist Obama and the democrats so far.... don't stop now. Maybe we will see the error of our ways and come around to our senses and see that big government and high taxes are what's best for us "little people".

Posted by: carlbatey | August 27, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes. Washington Post bloggers are obsessing on them. That's a sign, isn't it?

Posted by: grohlik | August 27, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

THE UNDER-COVERED STORY OF August 26th IS THIS:“Rep. Russ Carnahan confirmed that former staffer Chris Powers was the individual who ‘firebombed’ his campaign office, not tea party activists as some in the local media had reported.”

UPDATE: Video Shows Carnahan Staffer-Firebomber Has History of Attacking Tea Partiers – Media Silent.

DON SURBER: In New York a Lefty beats up cabbie; the Left blames the Right. Yeah, for all the talk about the threat of Tea Party violence, the actual violence seems to come from the usual suspects on the left.

How about some apologies for all the false allegations by Frank Rich, Paul Krugman, Charles Blow and numerous left-wing bloggers claiming that health care protesters were violent ? and falsely linking the Tea Parties to the Amy Bishop shooting, the IRS Plane Crasher, the Fort Hood attack, and the Pentagon shooter ?

And while we're at it, all the left-wing bloggers who called health care protesters thugs and a mob and astroturf and terrorists and Birthers and harassers and manufactured and frightening and vicious and "Karl Rove's wet dream."

And while we're at it, the Democratic Party and left-wing bloggers who have seized on a strategy of painting all political opponents as crazy.

And while we're at it, how about Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer apologizing for calling health care protesters "un-American"; and Harry Reid for comparing opposition to Obamacare to opposition to ending slavery; and Sheldon Whitehouse for invoking Kristallnacht and comparing health care opponents to white supremacists; and Alan Grayson and his groupies for saying Republicans wanted patients to die; and the Southern Poverty Law Center for serving as a tool of the Democratic Party by branding legitimate political opposition as racist.

And while we're at it, how about all those who have elevated the use of the race card to the central tool in the Democratic Party arsenal, thereby tearing at the fabric of this country.

Posted by: Petras123 | August 27, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

You should be fined for not having insurance because if you have an emergency and go to the emergency room, then you do not have the money for the bill, it gets charged to everyone else. Get medical insurance for your entire family at the best price from http://bit.ly/9fDY7U. By contributing to the pool and doing your part, overall costs come down. Its like stores that have to charge more because of all the theft. People go to the hospital and then not pay, it gets charged to everyone else.

Posted by: markusjone28 | August 28, 2010 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Since most people posting here are caught in their own little ego bubbles of extreme ignorance of history and law; I find it necessary to point out the fact your ego being so sure that you are intelligent in your opinions is exactly what is destroying each of our individual freedoms ot only in this country but every country in the world.

This entire post is about getting ideas for seeing if a political strategy is working. The establishment desperately wants this feedback so they can tailor their next set of lies to match exactly what you want to hear. If the people are mad at dems then the establishment will be republicans, if the people are mad republicans the establishment will be dems, if the TEA party takes hold they will be the TEA party. The establishment will be want ever you want as long as they stay in control of the money printing presses! Controlling the money gives them unlimited resources to control you and hire an army of people who operate on opinion to carry out the lies and gather the necessary support for them to stay in control of the money. This is the war for your mind!

Studying real History, Law, and Science gives You real Power. At the heart of our problems is the fact that Article 1 Section 10 of US Const is not being "upheld and defended" by those who signed the contract aka US Const to do so. Also at the heart of Americas ills are the fact that The government has merged the "artificial person" aka "corporation" with the "Natural Person" aka You! The Government and all courts has now also become corporations and not the Government mandated by the Law We the People gave to them in the US Const and the Organic Law section of US Code aka the Declaration of Independence! These facts are demonstrated by the DUNS number listed for every form of Corporate government in this country, Many places in Law like Section 7 of California State Penal Code, Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, the Fouteenth Amendment to the US Constitution and others.

All of this merged corporate personhood status is causing massive misery all over the world because Corporations by their very Nature Limit Liability, and Require Maximum Profits. This is the root of our problems and your egotistical ignorance and outright arrogance will pass to finally reveal the truth that your own ignorance is the darkenss you seek to eliminate.

While you are caught in this deception by your masters we the free and peaceful intending people of the world will be diligently studying History, Law, Science, and Philosophy to gain a clear picture for what is the best strategy to protect ourselves. We studious ones will be intellectually dominating every court action & defeating them in their wicked game of tyranny called the Criminal Justice System while you who choose ignorance will be paying their fines in their currency. Wake up and accept responsibility for ensuring your own Freedom! These are the real issues!

Posted by: timeless1 | August 28, 2010 4:44 AM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington says "In all honesty, I'd like to see today's set of Republicans [] replaced by tea party types. [] At that point there could be an honest discussion about the role of Govn't. Most of today's Republicans are all positioning themselves to appease their corporate masters and just echo lobbyist talking points."

Thanks Mike, that is a new idea for me. I've been so focused on yelling about the tea party I hadn't considered the idea they may actually be preferable to the scum they would replace.

Posted by: scottmiller_tucson | August 28, 2010 5:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how you can call it a dem "strategy" when the dems are doing nothing but smiling. The reps have imploded, leaving the nuts unchallenged within the party.

All political parties have their nuts. Its a test of maturity as to how many of the nuts have support. The dems have many nuts, many we know about but rarely hear from because the sane adults are in charge of that party. Not the reps though. But this is no strategy on the dems part. I mean, was it a "strategy" last night for me to route for Jets to make mistakes? I'd call it more a gift by the reps to the people of America. They have finally stopped pretending, you know, like there is such a thing as "compassionate conservatism", or reps are fiscally responsible, etc.

The reps finally are exposed for what they are and, like a king finally exposed to have no clothes, can't function.

Posted by: Fate1 | August 28, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Will the strategy work? No. What the strategy will do (as everyone from Dem politicians to Dem -- not liberal, Dem -- bloggers and activists labels a bunch of folks racist) is alienate even more voters than the disappointment with Obama already has.

The Tea Party, like it or not, is not racist. Sure it has some racists in it, but the movement itself isn't racist. I think mostly what the movement about is fear. People see their country slipping away from them and they turn to those who provide an explanation and who seem to stand for something, even if the explanation is wrong and what they stand for would actually hurt if put into practice.

I'm a long time loyal Democratic voter. I'm still a liberal, but I'm not so loyal to the Democrats. They along with the Republicans are just another corporate owned party. And that as much as anything is why folks on both sides are fed up.

I don't think the Dems should embrace the Tea Party, but they surely should try and address their fears. And stop calling them racists. It's gonna backfire.

Posted by: oxfordsystems | August 28, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Sixty Percent of people polled, say they have a favorable view of how President Obama conducts himself.

On the other hand; the same polls shows that of those who identify theirselves as Tea Party members, only 12% say they approve of how President Obama conducts himself.

If it isn't his skin color, that turns those TeaParty members off, then what the hell is it, because they are completely out of step with the national population, as a whole.

Posted by: Liam-still | August 28, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

The question asked is the Democrat Party strategy of calling the Tea Party members names, such as "racist", "kook", "nutty" etc working?

The answer is simple; what does name calling normally get you in an argument? Usually when you begin to call the other party names it means you've lost the argument. It means you are no longer arguing issues and just name-calling. It also means that you know you are losing the argument and can't figure a good way to persuade the other party to come to your point of view or it means you never thought much of the other party and don't care. And since this is a public argument you are losing the crowd watching this argument take place.

All of this is true of current Democrat Party tactics.

To me it also shows some other things: 1. those using these tactics are very passionate about what they believe about the Tea Party but their "arguments" don't stem from quiet, logical thought--only the passion is showing through and it clouds the debate. 2. Those who are using this tactic never moved out of the juvenile phase of name-calling and sincerely believe this is real discussion or those who are using this tactic are very cynical and think name-calling can keep their "opponent" (which is all they think of the "other side") at bay. Either way, it's a tactic of desperation, because it normally causes the other party to stop talking to those who are name calling. And remember this is a public argument and the "crowd" is getting a little disturbed by the name-calling.

If the Tea Party continues to appeal to just the issues and ignores the name-calling, who do you think wins the respect of those watching the argument--and the watcher won't have to agree with the Tea Party for that Party to have "won". So this tactic means that all the Tea Party needs to do to "win" respect in the argument is: nothing. Not the best thought out tactic then for persuading others to your side of the argument.

So this tactic sucks (if you are actually trying to persuade others of the "rightness", no pun intended, of your cause); it sullies Democrats, diverts from legitimate argument that persuades and in the long run accomplishes nothing---because even the base will turn if the shouting is disagreeable enough.

And if you are not trying to persuade others of the "goodness" of your cause---tell me why you aren't if you believe sooo passionately!

Posted by: mil1 | August 28, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

mil1 - I occasionally tune into the other side--Sean, Fox, Glen, etc. I think your question has been answered. Name calling has gotten the Right something.

Socialist (the only takeover is resulting in an IPO)
Facist
Commie
Marxist
Unamerican

Even some fun ones out there like Democrap Socialist

Glen holds a rally to bring HONOR back, the clear implication being that anyone opposing the TP is dishonorable.

So, let's get real. The Democrats have decided to fight fire with fire. Don't lecture the left while holding a gasoline can and a pack of matches.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | August 28, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this strategy is that you need Tea Party wackiness to make it work, and there really isn't any. Tea Partiers are mainstream America, and no amount of spin can change that.

Posted by: TheLastBrainLeft | August 28, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"If it isn't his skin color, that turns those TeaParty members off, then what the hell is it, because they are completely out of step with the national population, as a whole.">

Perhaps it's his ruinous, profligate spending, combined with his continued pursuit of unpopular legislation.

Posted by: TheLastBrainLeft | August 28, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade: the "lecture" applies to both sides however, the question asked by the Plum Line was is this a good Democratic strategy...and it just isn't.

I want a party that I support to address issues and directions, not name-calling, platitudes about "taking back the country" or anything else that devolves into the black hole of passions that go nowhere.

I love a lively and enlightening discussion. I still read WAPO online because I believe there are still people who want to discuss issues and direction....these people are only 1/10 of the commentors here in the WAPO's online comments sections but I still look forward to comments who address these things.

Posted by: mil1 | August 28, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Jormolist trolling for ideas on a slow summer weekend.

Throw out something new and see how much they can distort it.

It is the new blood sport.

Let's play!

Posted by: TECWRITE | August 28, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Liberals win this one with Facts and History. Republicans are given large amounts of money by Koch, NewsCorp and other corporations to sell 'soap' to America.

This week only, limited time offer. 10% off Fear, Hatred, Distortion, Distraction and Division.

Posted by: thebobbob | August 29, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The real irony is in the storm that is brewing just beyond November's horizon. The intense heat of conservatism clashing with the frigid temperatures of progressivism, will create no less than a category five tempest. FEMA is unprepared to deal a storm of this magnitude. If only Al Gore would have had the insight to write a book about "Political Warming".

Posted by: LastMohican1 | August 29, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The real irony is in the storm that is brewing just beyond November's horizon. The intense heat of conservatism clashing with the frigid temperatures of progressivism, will create no less than a category five tempest. FEMA is unprepared to deal with a storm of this magnitude. If only Al Gore would have had the insight to write a book about "Political Warming".

Posted by: LastMohican1 | August 29, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

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