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LinkedIn responds to O'Donnell

* LinkedIn has now responded to Christine O'Donnell's claim that she had no role in posting her online bio, which falsely claimed she studied at Oxford. But right now, LinkedIn says, it's not yet in a position to determine whether or not O'Donnell is telling the truth.

"We have taken the profile down. That's all we are confirming," LinkedIn spokesperson Shannon Stubo emailed me. "It was taken down in response to Christine O'Donnell's request. This is not an acknowledgment that the profile was fake."

To reiterate: O'Donnell's campaign spokesperson didn't indicate that the profile was unauthorized when I contacted her for comment last week, or when I contacted her yesterday before publishing.

* Also: When the O'Donnell campaign was pressed by a skeptical Associated Press reporter to answer why they didn't challenge the veracity of the profile when I asked about it, the campaign declined to answer directly:

Asked Wednesday to explain why she did not challenge authorship of the profile when talking with Sargent, O'Donnell spokeswoman Diana Banister replied simply, "Ms. O'Donnell has clarified any questions about her education and the LinkedIn page."

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Happy Hour Roundup:

* Max Baucus throws down the gauntlet with all those outside groups flooding the midterms with cash, calling on the IRS to take a close look at whether they are in compliance with tax codes -- and even hinting at a possible Senate probe. Keep an eye on this one.

* Brian Beutler breaks the news that House Dems have made it official: They will postpone the vote on extending the middle class tax cuts until after the election.

My understanding is that Nancy Pelosi wanted this vote, and was pushing for it as late as this morning as a way to make it crystal clear to voters who is on the side of the middle class. Majority Whip James Clyburn wanted the vote, too, I'm told.

But while Steny Hoyer wanted to extend the middle class tax cuts, he was sympathetic to Dems in marginal districts who argued that a vote would interfere with their efforts to localize the election. They claimed they could better push the issue on their own in their districts. In the end, though, all the leaders agreed that there wasn't enough support in the caucus to hold it.

* And: Chris Van Hollen, addressing the postponed middle class tax cuts vote, vows Dems will "take the fight to the election."

* Don't miss Aaron Blake's overview of the House map and the DCCC's and NRCC's ad-buying strategies.

* It's not just Fox and MSNBC: Ben Smith makes an important point, acknowledging that even self-described nonideological news outlets at times inevitably function as "political actors."

* Fox News, ever bashful about making itself the story, goes on a jihad against Obama for speaking the truth about Fox News.

* More proof of the "Charlie Crist crunch" I noted below: In a new CNN/Time poll, Marco Rubio has pulled away from Crist, 38-31 -- because Crist is losing Republicans to Rubio and Dems to Kendrick Meek.

* AOL News asked the O'Donnell campaign about the Oxford/LinkedIn bio way back on September 15th, so O'Donnell's people may have known about this for two weeks without claiming it was fake.

* Jane Hamsher defends the "professional left's" attacks on Obama, claiming liberals haven't really turned on him and that he's merely enduring an unprecedented level of "detailed process scrutiny.".

* And here's the headline of the day: Dave Weigel has the full rundown on why liberals don't like Rahm, in a piece called...

So Long, Jerk

What else is happening?

By Greg Sargent  | September 29, 2010; 6:00 PM ET
Categories:  2010 elections, Happy Hour Roundup, House Dems, Senate Republicans  
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Nothing on Meg Whitman's illegal housekeeper problem? That's very important to those of us here in CA, the most populous state.

Try Kos, TPM etc. This one could have legs, as the hp]ousekeeper claims Meg was notified in 2003 that the SSN didn't match the name.

Posted by: Mimikatz | September 29, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

* And here's the headline of the day: Dave Weigel has the full rundown on why liberals don't like Rahm, in a piece called...

So long, jerk

...................

That headline validates what Rahm said about them. Only a Jerk would say that, when they guy is on the way out.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Let me know when LinkedIn claims that she lied ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 29, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

* Jane Hamsher defends the "professional left's" attacks on Obama, claiming liberals haven't really turned on him and that he's merely enduring an unprecedented level of "detailed process scrutiny.".

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And of course Jane had to join up with Grover Norquist, to make sure that would be what would happen.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

GOP = INSANE:

Gohmert: We have people on welfare and I know there's some that just don't wanna work, but there's some that do. How 'bout if instead of the welfare, we give 'em an alternative. We'll give you so many acres that can provide land where you can live off of it, make a living and we'll give you seed money to start, but you have to sign an agreement that you'll never accept welfare again. How 'bout that? We got plenty of land.

http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/congressman-wants-welfare-replaced-with-40-acres-and-a-mule-video.php

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Jane Hamsher doesn't speak for the left. Please don't quote her as speaking for the left. Most on the left I know think of her and her web site as the left version of the tea party. Ever heard the term firebagger? There is a reason for it.

Posted by: zattarra | September 29, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's my provocative comment of the day.

For all the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments in the media over the Tea Party and its amazing self-righteous, histrionic, angry attention-getting, it's still just an energized, extremely well-funded GOP base. Those folks still only have one vote each and are a minority of the voting public.

So, if the Dems can just get out the vote, they can worry less about whether they win every single argument on cable news. They HAVE to get the base out and make sure they present an alternative. I know this isn't as easy as it sounds, but the machine that got Obama elected has to turn people out to the polls.

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

* House approves bill to help workers sickened in World Trade Center cleanup after 9/11 attacks *

The House has approved a bill to give up to $7.4 billion to workers sickened during the cleanup of World Trade Center site after the Sept. 11 attacks.

The 268-160 vote on Wednesday came after passionate floor debate. Democratic supporters said they were standing up for sick 9/11 heroes. Republican critics branded the bill as yet another big-government entitlement program that would boost taxes and kill jobs.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2010/09/house_passes_911_health_bill_to_help_sick_workers.php

Yes, read that last sentence again:

"Republican critics branded the bill as yet another big-government entitlement program that would boost taxes and kill jobs."

Republicans are simply insane. Helping 9/11 first responders will kill jobs?

Don't they realize that the 9/11 first responders' volunteer JOB almost killed THEM and that's why they need the care? Holy moly. Looney tunes. It truly is an upside-down world we live in thanks to the fruitnuts in the GOP.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Paladino (Nutjob-NY) Unhinged in NY Gov Smear Campaign

New York Republican gubernatorial nominee Carl Paladino alleged Tuesday that Democrat Andrew Cuomo was unfaithful to his ex-wife years ago, a stunning accusation that validated his earlier prediction that the race would be getting nastier.

Paladino offered no proof of his claim, despite requests for substantiation, and he made it minutes after angrily declaring his 10-year-old daughter—a child from his own affair 10 years ago—off limits to the press.

[...]

“No buffer, no aides, no filter, nothing. This never happens,” said one Republican strategist of Paladino’s remarks.

[...]

"We have not and will not descend into the gutter with Paladino, Caputo and [GOP operative Roger] Stone,” said Cuomo spokesman Josh Vlasto. “We’re not going to start now because the people of New York deserve a better dialogue from their candidates and journalists."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42912.html

Frickin racist misogynist dirtbag.

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Folks: Are You Feeling Nostalgic For The Bush/Cheney Great Recession Times.

Now is your chance to return to those times, that you are missing so much.

All Aboard The John Bohner Pledge to America Express. In No Time At All, He Promises To Land You Right Back In That Economy Ditch, That You Have Lately Being Pining Over.

Full Steam In Reverse; Back To:

More Feasts For Fat Cats,

And More Starvation For All The Rest Of Us.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

How to Lose the Tea Party Vote in One Word: CONSENSUS

* Portman: GOP must seek consensus, not gridlock *

Portman said it's possible for elected officials to work together "on a principled basis," pointing to his own experience working with Democrats in Congress on economic issues during the Clinton administration.

DeMint's talk of obstruction is not productive, Portman said.

"We have to work together," he said. "These problems are too big, too intractable. People are tired of the partisanship. They aren't looking for someone to represent Ohio who is just going to throw partisan barbs. We tried that. It doesn't work."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/29/portman-gop-must-seek-consensus-not-gridlock/

Whaddya think GOPBaggers?

You ready to work with Democrats?

You love the idea of Rob Portman working hand-in-hand with Democrats in the Senate?

You read for some CONSENSUS?

Posted by: Ethan2010 | September 29, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Portman must be defeated. He sounds entirely too reasonable.

Manchurian Candidate, anyone?

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

* AOL News asked the O'Donnell campaign about the Oxford/LinkedIn bio way back on September 15th, so O'Donnell's people may have known about this for two weeks without claiming it was fake.
.................

Why rush to take it down, when it is making your resume look better than it really is! Time enough to get irate, and claim that you never posted it, after it got detected by the opposition.

When will she start to claim that the wacko that kept making all those crazy comments on all those Bill Maher shows, was also someone pretending to be her?

Perhaps she suffers from multiple personalities disorder, and it was bad Christine who posted those lies about her education, and Chaste Christine never knew anything about it.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Who are you people trying to convince?
I'm pretty sure you all agree with yourselves.
I'm also pretty sure that you aren't going to change the minds of any of the 12 conservatives who have the stomach to post here

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 29, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

LinkedIn uses an e-mail verification system. So if the e-mail provided for the profile is O'Donnell's, somebody would also have to have had access to her e-mail account.

Posted by: BrAdams | September 29, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

MrMeaner, we're trying to convince smart people, so move along. Nothing for you here.

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

If you're so smart, why do you need convincing?

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 29, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Re: Gohmert & 9/11 bill:

Keep bringin' the crazy, GOP.

Posted by: ChuckinDenton | September 29, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

E2010,

Portman's up by ten. You may have whatever opinion on the TP you wish, but they and DeMint aren't going to throw him over for being mildly pragmatic, and gracious to boot...he'll probably even pick up some Fisher Dems.

Thanks for the Paladino link, read the whole Politico piece and I like the Buffalo guy now even more!!!

Couldn't care less whether he wins or loses because NYState's freefall can't be stopped by anything less than default. I just like the way he calls the pols and the media what they are...sucking lampreys.

Cuomo's just another Spitzie with more name rec.

Posted by: tao9 | September 29, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Ethan


Why aren't the union contracts and the health insurance companies handling the 9/11 health care? Would someone please explain that to me ?


Supposedly all these people had health insurance at the time - through their union contracts with the city.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

BTW: Greg Sargent has falsely claimed (repeatedly) that the LinkedIn bio -- assuming arguendo that it was even posted by her: "falsely claimed she studied at Oxford." The fact is that Ms. O'Donnell DID attend a summer seminar at the University of Oxford. If there are any questions about this, please review my posts here:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/another_christine_odonnell_emb.html#comments

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/christine_odonnell_speaks_out.html

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 29, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Ethan2010 at 6:21 PM


You really shouldn't sign your comments that way.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

At least journ-O-list is not putting out daily Sharron Angle threads anymore ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 29, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Hi E,

Just one more little thing....

It's about this: "Whaddya think GOPBaggers?"

I don't think there are any TP people posting here regularly, and may very well be no registered Repubs.

Are you asking these questions rhetorically or just yelling into the ether?

Posted by: tao9 | September 29, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Jake, is that all you got? She "technically" studied at Oxford?

Man, I would hate to have to spend my time trying to defend someone that is obviously trying to stretch her bona fides.

In fact, I'd prefer it if Greg tried to get beyond the stretching-the-truth part to the what-does-it-say about her part.

Shorter: she barely has a BA and no experience in governance, foreign affairs, the law, economics, or working for wages in a blue collar sense.

Oh, plus she thinks evolution is made up.

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest:

LOL!!!

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 29, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Great John Cole post on O'Keefe and the media-fail world we inhabit:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/09/29/its-this-simple/

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

It is about time that some of the liberals here start telling us WHAT Obama's economic policies are.


"We aren't going back to Bush" is not an economic policy.


The economists tell us the Recession is over - and Bush's policies got us OUT of the Recession.


Clearly, we are now in the GREAT OBAMA STAGNATION.


It is Obama's policies which are stagnating the economy, hurting job creation, hurting investment prospects - and driving jobs OVERSEAS by raising the costs of employing workers here in the US.


Obama has not done much good for the US economy.


Even the stimulus was a complete failure.


WHERE is that website - the one which Obama said would TRACK ALL THE JOBS HE CREATED ???


Where is that website???

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if, every day between now and the election, Greg Sargent is going to libel Christine O'Donnell? At some point, TECHNICALLY, even he will cross over the "public figure" threshold?

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 29, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness to Ethan2010 and his frequent, unintentionally hilarious hyperbole, I'm not only a full fledged TeaBagger, but, alas, a registered Republican. As long as Rove's Astroturfing checks keep clearing that is.

Posted by: TrollMcWingnut | September 29, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I gotta agree with your Shorter: O'Donnell.

That said, she's as fair as the Aran Isles.

I know, I know...

Posted by: tao9 | September 29, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

7:18 above's 4 BGinCHI. ;>)

Posted by: tao9 | September 29, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh tao, you really are the weaker sex....

How was the 1K Isles?

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

gotta agree with your Shorter: O'Donnell.

That said, she's as fair as the Aran Isles.

I know, I know...

Posted by: tao9 | September 29, 2010 7:18 PM
................

And every bit as windy and rock strewn!

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Why did Boehner not make any mention of the Fiscal Proposals being offered up by the Republicans" House Guru, Paul Ryan?

Are they afraid that his proposals to faze out Social Security, and to introduce a European style Value Added Tax, on top of local sales tax, would drive away Retirees, and scare the hell out of working class consumers.

Isn't a VAT proposal a Republican effort to raise taxes on working class consumers.

Shout it from the Hill Tops, Lads and Lassies.

Republicans want to raise taxes on consumers by going all European on all of us, including Tea Party members, by more than doubling the amount of sales tax on the vast majority of purchases.

GOP are championing Tax Cuts For Billionaires, and Consumer Tax Raises for our struggling working class.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The question remains IS OBAMA MAKING THE ECONOMY BETTER OR WORSE ???


The answer is WORSE - because of the drag on hiring as a result of the health care bill.

Pretty simple. Everybody has been telling Obama for months - this is NOT the time for the health care bill.


However, Obama knows better - he thinks he is smarter than everyone else.


Somehow, all those affirmative action programs left Obama with the impression that he shouldn't listen to anyone.

NOW the nation is STUCK with this horrible health care plan - costing TRILLIONS of dollars.


AND it all started with AFFIRMATIVE ACTION - promoting people who don't quite measure up - because someday, they will.


WELL WE FINALLY HAVE OUR PROOF.

Obama has PROVEN that affirmative action does not work.

A Multi-Trillion dollar mistake - starting with good intentions - is now HURTING THE ECONOMY FROM COAST TO COAST - FROM SEA TO SHINGING SEA.

Nice going democrats - what else do you want to do?


OH, we really can't get that answer, can we?


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I won't be voting for Rob Portman.

He helped the Bush-Cheney Administration dismantle our economy.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 29, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If you're so smart, why do you need convincing?

Posted by: MrMeaner | September 29, 2010 6:42 PM

...................

Smart people require facts and information before reaching a decision.

Morons do not need any such information. All they have to do is take their orders from Glen Beck.

A Modest Proposal. How about extending your name, and making it MrMeanerThanAJunkYardDog?
Ah Gwan Gwan Gwan Gwan. Do it just for the laughs it would provide.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

The Question Remains:

Are You Feeling Nostalgic For The Bush/Cheney Great Recession Times?

Now is your chance to return to those times, that you have been missing so much.

All Aboard The John Bohner Pledge to America Express. In No Time At All, He Promises To Land You Right Back In That Economy Ditch, That You Have Lately Being Pining For.

Full Steam In Reverse; Back To:

More Feasts For Fat Cats,

And More Starvation For All The Rest Of Us.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Liam at 7:58


Thank you for clearing that up for us.


The American People have absolutely no idea what they would have done without that statement from you.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

FROM SEA TO SHINGING SEA.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 7:53 PM

................

Now you have persuaded me. I will not tolerate President Obama "SHINGING" our Sea!

Sounds like it must be some sort of Post Colonial Kenyan trick.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Filed under What Else Is Happening:

Sharron Angle spokeswoman condemns her candidate’s ad on immigration

http://www.lasvegassun.com/blogs/nevada-wonk/2010/sep/28/sharron-angle-spokeswoman-condemns-her-candidates-/
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 29, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO ALL UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN STUDENTS:


If you are actually planning on getting a job after graduation, you have a much better chance if you do not follow Obama and his wacked-out economic policies.


If you really don't believe this, you still have time to take some economics classes.


The democrats spent $800 Billion dollars and created few jobs. If you are planning on getting a job after graduation, helping out Obama and the democrats is really not the right way to go about it.

The American People.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

STRF. The man asked the question. I answer his question. You are the Ego-maniacal Loon who keeps claiming to speak for all "The American People"

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still at 8:01 PM


You keep on talking about Bush - but you aren't saying WHAT Obama is going to do.

At some point, Obama has to take responsibility for the economic conditions of the country - and be a leader.

Obama is NOT the leader of this country. This is by choice. Time and time again, Obama has refused to lead the nation.

Obama is NOT leading the country on economic matters.

All Obama does is blame, that is not leading.


Obama is NOT leading the nation on the mosque - the nation wants to stop the mosque - IS Obama figuring out how to stop the mosque ? NO.


Obama is lost - he is DIRECTIONLESS.

A person WITHOUT DIRECTION can not lead.

It is that simple.

Case closed.


Too bad we can't recall Obama this year.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"he's merely enduring an unprecedented level of "detailed process scrutiny."

Right right. Someone must have broken through her thick headed skull and she finally realized her non stop drum beat was counter productive to her cause.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Now STRF is giving a fantasy lecture to the entire student body of the University Of Wisconsin, at Madison.

I wish he would stop getting off his meds. It always ends up badly, with him hallucinating and thinking that he has global telepathic powers.

The last time he stopped taking his meds, the medical orderly had a hard time getting him to start taking them again. He kept shouting at him; "Stop interrupting me, while I am using my telepathic powers to train all New Zealand Sheep to shear their-selves!"

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

So, if the Dems can just get out the vote, they can worry less about whether they win every single argument on cable news. They HAVE to get the base out and make sure they present an alternative. I know this isn't as easy as it sounds, but the machine that got Obama elected has to turn people out to the polls.

Posted by: BGinCHI | September 29, 2010 6:14 PM
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If they've got enough cigarettes, cheap wine, walking-around money and maybe a little crack, Dems should be able to turn out their base. And they should continue to fill out the mail-in ballots they're supposed to be delivering to senior citizen homes. Al Franken knows where there's a trunkload of "misplaced" votes---if push comes to shove.

And be sure to tell all Florida Dems that R-U-B-I-O does NOT spell Crist or Meek.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Liam


I just did that to annoy you - however, I believe a majority of the American People NOW AGREE WITH ME.

Two years ago, Obama and the democrats were in the middle of FOOLING the country with

Transparency

Post-partisan promises


Post-racial promises


Bipartisan promises - meaning CENTRIST policies arrived at through COMPROMISE

I think ALL that ended with the FALSE CHARGES OF RACISM ON CAPITOL HILL LAST SPRING.

Then Obama's soft-on-terrorism took a serious turn while Obama was telling jokes at the Washington Hilton.

This is the GREAT OBAMA STAGNATION


And we have to STOP Obama from further destroying the economy.


The only way to do that is to take his votes away in Congress.

Thank you - a MAJORITY of the American People AGREE with me.


Thank you.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"Folks: Are You Feeling Nostalgic For The Bush/Cheney Great Recession Times."
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Most people actually ARE nostalgic for those times when they compare them to the even greater debacle which is the Obama Adminstration.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still at 8:19 PM

I wonder if there was a way to send an email to all the students there.


Yea - you seem to not really have a sense of humor -


Are you really taking this blog THAT seriously?


You can't debate the important issues of this nation without becoming emotionally unhinged.


I state my opinions - many times I write those opinions in very easy-to-understand language - because I just don't believe that many liberals will "get it" otherwise.

Get it ?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still at 8:19 PM

I wonder if there was a way to send an email to all the students there.


Yea - you seem to not really have a sense of humor -


Are you really taking this blog THAT seriously?


You can't debate the important issues of this nation without becoming emotionally unhinged.


I state my opinions - many times I write those opinions in very easy-to-understand language - because I just don't believe that many liberals will "get it" otherwise.

Get it ?

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Consumer Tax Raises for our struggling working class.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 7:52 PM
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Well, that leaves you out.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

If they've got enough cigarettes, cheap wine, walking-around money and maybe a little crack, Dems should be able to turn out their base. And they should continue to fill out the mail-in ballots they're supposed to be delivering to senior citizen homes. Al Franken knows where there's a trunkload of "misplaced" votes---if push comes to shove.

And be sure to tell all Florida Dems that R-U-B-I-O does NOT spell Crist or Meek.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:23 PM
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Have you been drinking?

1) The Franken "trunk votes" lie has been debunked.

http://www.minnpost.com/davidbrauer/2008/11/12/4565/minneapolis_election_director_speaks_ballots_in_my_car_story_false

2) Your first sentence is shameless. I look forward to ensuing posts from you and your fellow wingnut hypocrites crying about the slurs you suffer at the hands of mean, hateful liberals.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 29, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Brigade. You should contact the Betty Ford Clinic, and ask them if they could cure your addiction to Stupid Pills.

According to you; most people want to go back to having the Economy in it's worst condition since 1929, and they want to go back to losing 750,000 jobs per month, compared to losing no jobs now.

Call the clinic now. Those Stupid Pills are destroying your few remaining functioning synapses.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is NOT leading the nation on the mosque - the nation wants to stop the mosque - IS Obama figuring out how to stop the mosque ? NO."

This doesn't make sense. Since when did the leader follow the people?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe some of my liberal compatriots here can help me out. Who is Charlie Crist going to caucus with? I've forgotten.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

Those Hate Mongering Wing Nuts want to cite national polls when it suits them, but they never called for them to be followed, when the polls were overwhelmingly against Bush staying in Iraq.

Then those Wingnuts were saying. Ignore the polls, and Bush won, so he gets to call the shots.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Your first sentence is shameless. I look forward to ensuing posts from you and your fellow wingnut hypocrites crying about the slurs you suffer at the hands of mean, hateful liberals.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya
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If I were you, I'd be drinking while I'm waiting.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Brigade

"If they've got enough cigarettes, cheap wine, walking-around money and maybe a little crack, Dems should be able to turn out their base."

Way to wallow in it. You can either ignore the hyperbole or throw it back and lose the debate in the process. Just sayin'!

I know, I know, I'm not the blog police for either side. Sorry everyone, but if you begin at the top of the thread and work your way down, it's mostly nothing more than a junior high playground.

Hasta manana.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 29, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe some of my liberal compatriots here can help me out. Who is Charlie Crist going to caucus with? I've forgotten.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:37 PM

.................

I already helped you out, by advising you how to go about breaking your addiction to Stupid Pills.

Charlie Crist has not been elected. Election day is more than a month away. Flush the remainder of your Stupid Pills now, and call Betty Ford clinic, and ask for immediate admission.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Ethan,

AP news report: 9/21/2010

"n the second national poll on the subject in recent months, the Associated Press released findings that 52% of Americans favor gay marriage, with 46% in opposition."


Have you heard any of those resident Right Wingers who keep calling, for President Obama to do what the majority want, according to the latest polls, now demanding that "gay marriage" be made legal across the land,since the majority of "Americans" support it? Of course not. Those poll pushing Right Wingers are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is NOT leading the nation on the mosque - the nation wants to stop the mosque - IS Obama figuring out how to stop the mosque ? NO."

This doesn't make sense. Since when did the leader follow the people?

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 8:33 PM


__________________________________


The day after they invented polling. Just ask Bill Clinton.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"According to you; most people want to go back to having the Economy in it's worst condition since 1929 . . . "

No. According to me, people want to go back to before the unemployment rate was 10%---you know, before Obama was elected.

"and they want to go back to losing 750,000 jobs per month . . ."

I don't think that figure covers much of the prior administration---just after the Dems took control of Congress in 2006. You remember that; you're probably one of the poor saps who voted for them.

"Call the clinic now. Those Stupid Pills are destroying your few remaining functioning synapses."

Tsk, tsk. Insults, insults. And I was just trying to provide you with helpful advice so you won't be disenfranchised again, like in 2000, 2002 and 2004. But I fear it's already too late.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:32 PM

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Liam,

"...the polls were overwhelmingly against Bush staying in Iraq."

When was that, the overwhelming part at least?

Just askin'.

And Hey, na hÁrainneacha are teh Beauty!


Posted by: tao9 | September 29, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Liam at 8:38 writes

Those Hate Mongering Wing Nuts want to cite national polls when it suits them, but they never called for them to be followed, when the polls were overwhelmingly against Bush staying in Iraq.


__________________________________

OK Liam - this is pretty irresponsible.


A nation does not go IN AND OUT OF WAR like it is a drive-through burger joint.


A nation doesn't ask MEN TO DIE - and then pull-out of the war when the "polls" shift.


NATIONAL SECURITY is serious - and the terrorists are still seeking to kill innocent Americans.

Your opinion is pretty worthless on this issue.


You don't pull-out of a war BEFORE YOU WIN.


I'm sorry - however there are not enough curse words to describe how much of an offensive low-life you are.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"in the second national poll on the subject in recent months, the Associated Press released findings that 52% of Americans favor gay marriage, with 46% in opposition."

Ok STRF, Put up or shut up. The polls now reflect that a majority of your "American People" want gay marriage to be made legal across the land.

Since you keep insisting that leaders must do what the poll say the majority of the people want them to do, surely you will now start demanding that they legalize gay marriages.

Let us hear you say that you now will, because you always believe that poll results must dictate what is to be done.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

call Betty Ford clinic, and ask for immediate admission.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:42 PM
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Can you vouch for Betty Ford clinic---I mean from firsthand experience?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still at 8:55 PM


Funny how you say that the polls say that - EXCEPT every time there has been a referendum on the gay marriage issue - gay marriage has failed.


EVEN in California - the AMERICAN PEOPLE SAY THEY DON'T WANT IT.

Perhaps it is because of the GAY AGENDA


The American People DO NOT WANT 7 YEAR OLD CHILDREN LEARNING ABOUT GAY SEX.


I will speak for every decent American on that issue.


Sorry - but the AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN - AND THEY REALLY DON'T WANT GAY MARRIAGE.

Maybe try another country - that might work.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

lmsinca wrote,
"Brigade
'If they've got enough cigarettes, cheap wine, walking-around money and maybe a little crack, Dems should be able to turn out their base.'
"Way to wallow in it. You can either ignore the hyperbole or throw it back and lose the debate in the process. Just sayin'!"

Or you can throw it back and win the debate in the process---whatever debate you're talking about. I don't mind wallowing, but if you see a serious debate underway, let me know.

"I know, I know, I'm not the blog police for either side. Sorry everyone, but if you begin at the top of the thread and work your way down, it's mostly nothing more than a junior high playground."

I noticed. But you haven't added much, other than to say you were offended by my comments. A little hyperbole about the crack, but the rest of it was spot on. If you don't think Dems use cash and cigarettes to get out the vote in the inner city then you need some remedial work on Dem political strategy.

Or maybe you could start a discussion that meets your own standards. We'll stand by.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

STRF, Thank you. You have just admitted that Election Results are what count, and not what snap shot ephemral polls may reflect about current public opinion.

Now you will have to stop demanding that President Obama must do what the polls say the people currently want done?

You need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Election results are all that matter; and those that get elected get to make the decisions, not some poll takers, when they post results that you like, but not when they post results that you do not like.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Liam

The real problem is the liberals do not respect a majority of the American People


Liberals have developed all sorts of code-words to channel their hate -


But the main objective is to jam the liberal agenda down everyone's throats - NOT to wait until a majority of Americans agree with them.

That is why so many Americans have found out that the LIBERAL AGENDA has been PUSHED THROUGH - not by majority votes - but by "administrative decisions" or - by some closed door meetings.


Gay agendas in schools have been pushed through in little-publicized and little-attended meetings - ONLY later the public finds out - and has to go to meetings to get RATIONAL policies in place.

YOU just don't Get it.


The country has just about had enough of all this -


Affirmative Action started this - many of those programs were NEVER voted it - they just got pushed in BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.


And all of a sudden, UNDERQUALIFIED AND INEXPERIENCED PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE - PUSHING MORE UNDERQUALIFIED AND INEXPERIENCED PEOPLE.


Now the economy is hurting because of a HEALTH CARE plan that few people wanted.


See a pattern here ???


And the left - instead of discussing things - resorts to name-calling, hate mongering - and obstruction.


Thank you


That is the truth.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Brigade,


I know that Robert Downey Jr was in and out of Betty Ford more than Gerald was, so that might give you pause.

Now that you have sought help, and admitted that you have become strung out on Stupidity Pills, you have taken the first step, so perhaps you might be able to just go cold turkey. Stock up on Hershey bars and lock yourself in a cell, like Popeye Doyle had to do, in French Connection two, so that you will not be able to get your hands on a fix, while you are sweating out the addiction.

What every you do, while you are going through withdrawal, don't watch any Fox Cable shows, or you will immediately have the Stupidity Monkey jump on your back, once more.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Again:


STRF, Thank you. You have just admitted that Election Results are what count, and not what snap shot ephemral polls may reflect about current public opinion.

Now you will have to stop demanding that President Obama must do what the polls say the people currently want done?

You need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Election results are all that matter; and those that get elected get to make the decisions, not some poll takers, when they post results that you like, but not when they post results that you do not like.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Liam you still do not "get it"


It really is too bad. The American People said NO - and they meant NO.


They didn't mean "JAM HARDER - AND THEN CALL EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE A BUNCH OF RACISTS."

Obama was elected to be bipartisan AND post-racial.


The election of 2008 is ONE BIG DECEPTION AND LIE - it is NOT LEGITIMATE.


Pretty simple.


And all the little twists and turns you are trying to make tonight - none of that means ANYTHING compared to the DECEPTIONS OF OBAMA.


Obama's OWN ACTIONS have de-legitimized his election.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Rich Kids get admitted to Colleges on "Legacy Affirmative Action" policies all the time.

Right Wingers love Affirmative Action For Stupid Rich Kids, but never for the children of a long oppressed minority.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

"Elections matter. I won, so I get to decide." George W. Bush


STRF, Thank you. You have just admitted that Election Results are what count, and not what snap shot ephemral polls may reflect about current public opinion.

Now you will have to stop demanding that President Obama must do what the polls say the people currently want done?

You need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Election results are all that matter; and those that get elected get to make the decisions, not some poll takers, when they post results that you like, but not when they post results that you do not like.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"Elections matter. I won, so I get to decide." George W. Bush

STRF, Thank you. You have just admitted that Election Results are what count, and not what snap shot ephemral polls may reflect about current public opinion.

Now you will have to stop demanding that President Obama must do what the polls say the people currently want done?

You need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Election results are all that matter; and those that get elected get to make the decisions, not some poll takers, when they post results that you like, but not when they post results that you do not like.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Brigade


Is it just me, or did Liam just take both sides of the issue???

The American People do NOT want Obama as President ANYMORE.

The American People believe that Obama abused his majorities in Congress - NOT TO DO WHAT HE SAID IN 2008 - but to do something else.

OBAMA PRACTICED A FUNDAMENTAL DECEPTION.

Take Afghanistan - read Woodward's articles - Obama promised to stay in Afghanistan TO WIN - and at FIRST CHANCE he was doing something different.

LIAR - Obama lied. For a group of people who ran around for YEARs saying Bush lied - you certainly wouldn't expect Obama to be lying so quickly -

The False Charges of Racism were a violation of Obama's pledges of being post-racial.

The SEALED FILE IN HAWAII remains a violation of Obama's promises to be transparent. Obama can sign a release in a few minutes.

The health care bill was a violation of Obama's promises to be BIPARTISAN.

The whole OBAMA ADMINSTRATION HAS BEEN A FRAUD - THE PRODUCT OF A DECEPTION.

Your comments mean nothing - next to this FRAUD OF OBAMA.

UNPRECEDENTED FRAUD - LIKE NONE OTHER IN HISTORY.

800 Billion wasted on democratic pet projects - promising the American People jobs - another FRAUD.

A FRAUD IS A FRAUD IS AN OBAMA IS A FRAUD.

That is the simple truth.

AND I realize, that just as you proclaim how smart you are, you still don't get it.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Whitman, O'Donnell, etc.
Republicans seem to lie a lot.
Oh yes, that last Republican Administration.
Maybe it's politically hereditary.

Posted by: kacameron | September 29, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

STRF. It is just you. You need to get back on your meds. You are arguing that only what the voters pass, matters, while at the same time arguing that election results should be superseded by what pollsters come up with, when you like their results.

"Elections matter. I won, so I get to decide." George W. Bush

STRF, Thank you. You have just admitted that Election Results are what count, and not what snap shot ephemral polls may reflect about current public opinion.

Now you will have to stop demanding that President Obama must do what the polls say the people currently want done?

You need to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Election results are all that matter; and those that get elected get to make the decisions, not some poll takers, when they post results that you like, but not when they post results that you do not like.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Have you heard any of those resident Right Wingers who keep calling, for President Obama to do what the majority want, according to the latest polls, now demanding that "gay marriage" be made legal across the land,since the majority of "Americans" support it? Of course not. Those poll pushing Right Wingers are just a bunch of hypocrites.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 8:48 PM
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I guess you mean the hypocrites who passed proposition 8 in California. I'm always amazed how liberals see the majority of voters as the lunatic fringe. I believe the idea was to AMEND the California constitution. You know what a constitutional amendment is, don't you? Prop-8 REVERSED a California Supreme Court decision---as permitted by law. Of course ONE man (a gay man, wasn't he?), who didn't think millions of voters had a "rational" enough reason to do such a thing, overruled the will of the people. Very democratic. Now that the decision is being challenged in a higher court, can we expect Obama to file a brief in support of prop-8? I mean he DID say he thought marriage should be between a man and a woman, right? He wasn't lying was he? Perish the thought.

And since you're quoting polls and talking about majorities, I suppose you're in favor of prop-8. Right? I mean it was passed by the majority.

Do you suppose any single judge who doesn't agree with one of the amendments to our federal constitution should just be able to throw it out because he doesn't think it's "rational?"

But on the subject of gayness, I've noticed liberals are not swayed---and rightly so---by religious arguments. Tell me, do you regard homosexuality as normal or abnormal as it relates to the human condition? From a Darwinian perspective, can you give me some selective advantages of homosexuality? Just wondering.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still 9:13 PM


I am glad to hear you supported the election of George Bush in 2004 and you supported all his policies.


And you support all the elections that have voted down gay marriage, as it should be.


And you will support the elections this year -

Thank you - happy to hear it.


HOWEVER - for the rest of America - campaign COMMITMENTS MATTER.


Obama is a liar - an unprecedented LIAR on a scale never before seen in American History.


The American people - in the middle of an economic crisis - do not need some creep IGNORING THE ECONOMY - AND PUSHING SOME LEFT-WING AGENDA.


That has been a fundamental BETRAYAL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.


Obama himself has de-legitimized his own election - his own ACTIONS HAVE CREATED A FRAUD.


And you say you are smart - but please look up the word "FRAUD" - because Obama's picture is there.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Great, I think my comments at FDL are on permanent moderation or something.

Guess they don't like opposing voices there. Easier to control the masses when its an echo chamber.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

What every you do, while you are going through withdrawal, don't watch any Fox Cable shows, or you will immediately have the Stupidity Monkey jump on your back, once more.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:12 PM
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Fox News? Wow, I guess nearly 50% of the American people have that Monkey on their backs. Doesn't look good for those of you in the 1% who get their fix from MSNBC. LOL

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

umm...how Obama getting elected and passing the agenda he ran on makes him a liar is beyond me....

Why am I even responding to him/her I don't know.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe Obama is that smart - if he was, he would have different policies.


Let's see Obama's grades - it is curious why he will not release his transcripts.


Is it because his transcripts say that he was enrolled as a foreign student? Apparently Obama was enrolled at Occidental as Barry Soeroto.


Did Obama get a LEGAL name-change by a court order ???


I am a little confused - WAS OBAMA ADOPTED BY HIS STEP-FATHER OR NOT ?


Did we get this answer ?

Did Obama EVER have an INDONESIAN PASSPORT?

The country should get all the information - the information should not be held back.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I accepted the 2004 election results. That did not meant that I had to support the Bush policies that I did not agree with. It just meant that I would abide by the election results, and did not question his constitutional authority to make decisions, rather than having to take orders from Poll takers.

George W. Bush said it correctly, when he said that since he won he got to decide. He said "I am the decider"

He was right on that, as long as he did not violate his oath of office. The very same standard now applies to President Obama. He won, so he now gets to decide, and not some poll taker, who very easily could cook the numbers.

Talk about worrying about voting machine fraud! Only Freedom Hating Morons, like STRF and Brigade would put the ability to sway the decisions that only an elected President is allowed to make, in the hands of some unaccountable and unelected Pollster.

Damn: This Right Wing Stupidity Pill Addiction is turning into an epidemic.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington 9:32 PM


I can not imagine why that would happen to your comments.


I am happy that you now believe in seeing opposing points of view.


Welcome to the First Amendment.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

STRF wrote,
"Is it just me, or did Liam just take both sides of the issue???"
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You can't follow Liam's reasoning. If you try, your eyes will glaze over.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington at 9:34 PM


THAT was NOT the agenda Obama ran on


Bipartisanship means COMPROMISE - IT MEANS WORKING TO ARRIVE AT CENTRIST POLICIES.


I have to call you a liar.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

What's "THAT?"

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Brigade

You are right - Liam has lost all control of himself - and he doesn't make sense anymore.

I'm sure he lost control of his bladder too, and he wet himself.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Man, I can't believe FDL isn't posting my comments any longer because they are an opposing viewpoint.

There's a name for that.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

God I'm tired of Jane Hamsher.

Posted by: CalD | September 29, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

What's "THAT?"

Posted by: mikefromArlington |

Get the part where STRF says that Obama should do what the polls reflect, but then turns around, as says the exact opposite, because polls now reflect that a majority of Americans support legalizing gay marriages. Now STRF says that only what the voters decide on gay marriages should count, and not what polls now say.

No wonder he had to turn to that other addled turnip, Brigade, to ask for support.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Jane has created a nice little niche for herself.

Attack, attack attack and when someone throws a punch back take the defenseless hippy position and have your followers stand up for you.

I'm not certain if its for financial reasons or it's just her way of being the center of attention.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Mike


Do I really have to explain this too you?


Obama promised the nation bipartisanship - which means sitting down with the Republicans and arriving at a CENTRIST health care bill.


Obama didn't do that - he pushed through a far-left agenda. Few people in the country expected that.


Why does anyone have to say that? You don't understand.


Obama's broken promises on Afghanistan are now well documented. The person is a deceptive liar - one who can never ever be trusted.


Obama is a liar - his campaign turned out to be an unprecedented FRAUD.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"George W. Bush said it correctly, when he said that since he won he got to decide. He said 'I am the decider'

He was right on that, as long as he did not violate his oath of office. The very same standard now applies to President Obama. He won, so he now gets to decide"

----

LOL. So when is he going to start? So far the Dems in Congress have been treating him like a rented mule.

"Talk about worrying about voting machine fraud! Only Freedom Hating Morons, like STRF and Brigade would put the ability to sway the decisions that only an elected President is allowed to make, in the hands of some unaccountable and unelected Pollster."

You must be hitting the meth again. I don't even know what you're talking about.

"Damn: This Right Wing Stupidity Pill Addiction is turning into an epidemic."

I don't know about the stupidity part, but I do think the epidemic will hit full force the first week of November. Try not to take it too hard.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest, ask the left if the health care bill is centrist or not. From your extreme right wing position anything to the left would seem far-left. You would have to ask the 'far left' what their perspective is.

If the far left say it was a corporate sell-out and the far right say it was a far-left agenda that would indicate it stands somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

And re Afghan, no lies there. He's doing exactly what he campaigned on.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Man, I can't believe FDL isn't posting my comments any longer because they are an opposing viewpoint.

There's a name for that.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:44 PM
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Who the heck is FDL?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Liam your little bits of circular logic do not convince anyone of anyone except you are without substance.

I realize you want gay marriage - but the American People do not want it - and they do not want 7 year old children to learn about gay sex in school.

That is pretty sick.

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" is not such a bad idea.


No one wants to hear about it.


I agree you want to push YOUR agenda on other people - but other people, in return, want to push their agenda on YOU - which is, get back in the closet.


NOW can we get back to Obama's economic policies -

I heard Obama ask if we wanted to go back to Bush's economic policies.


But Obama is STILL NOT saying what he will do.


This year's election is ALL ABOUT OBAMA - NOT BUSH.


Bush is on a ranch in Texas, long gone.


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Firedoglake, Jane Hamsher aka Kill the Bill's blog.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

I read on Daily Caller that the NRSC has pulled $1.9m in last week ad buys from Carly Fiorina. Is this true?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

But on the subject of gayness, I've noticed liberals are not swayed---and rightly so---by religious arguments. Tell me, do you regard homosexuality as normal or abnormal as it relates to the human condition? From a Darwinian perspective, can you give me some selective advantages of homosexuality? Just wondering.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:27 PM
...................

I don't judge fellow human beings in such a cold hearted vicious manner as that. What selective advantages are their to celibate Priests and Tea Party US Senate Nominees, or Celibate Cloistered Orders.

You Right Wing Hate Mongers are all against sex, while at the same time demanding that every Human procreate like rabbits, unless they want to run as Celibate Republicans or don clerical garb and molest little boys.

Lots of married heterosexual people turn out not to be able to conceive and give birth to children, so how should your type of society treat them?

As an old straight married guy, I have never understood why so many right wing people devote so much time to trying to oppress gay people.

They are how they were born, and no matter how much you strive to oppress or "cure" them, they are still going to be how they were born. So, stop behaving like both a coward and a bully, and treat gay people just like you would like to be treated.

They are no threat to my marriage. My wife and I can screw that up, all by ourselves, just as Newt and Rush did to their many marriages.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck is FDL?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:57 PM

FireDogLake. It is a Looney Left blogsite.

They are the mirror image of The Tea Party.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington at 9:55 PM


Obama lied during the campaign on Afghanistan

Did you listen to the debates.


YOU are lying now.


Read Woodward's articles.

I suppose this is why democrats really are unqualified to govern - even when they are caught in a lie, they refuse to admit it.

I really wonder if Obama is really an illegal alien - I wonder when that will come out.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Bush is on a ranch in Texas, long gone.


Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 9:57 PM

..............


Wrong again, addled and ignorant turnip.

The bought a place in town. The Ranch was purchased just to fool all you dimwits who like the image of the amiable rancher that you feel you could share a beer with.

Rove pulled that off brilliantly. I guess he wanted to project the Reagan cowboy image. As soon as they returned to Texas, they dumped the campaign prop ranch, and moved into a posh expensive city home, where no scrub has ever to be cleared. Suckers LMAO.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"I don't judge fellow human beings in such a cold hearted vicious manner as that. What selective advantages are their to celibate Priests and Tea Party US Senate Nominees, or Celibate Cloistered Orders."

Uh, we were suppose to be bypassing religious dogma. No one ask you to "judge" anyone. I asked you a simple question that you either cannot answer or are afraid to answer.

"You Right Wing Hate Mongers are all against sex, while at the same time demanding that every Human procreate like rabbits, unless they want to run as Celibate Republicans or don clerical garb and molest little boys."

LOL. You're a genuine nutter. Someone asks you a question and you go all to pieces.

"Lots of married heterosexual people turn out not to be able to conceive and give birth to children, so how should your type of society treat them?"

Answering a question with a question? "Your type of society"---What is that supposed to mean?

"As an old straight married guy, I have never understood why so many right wing people devote so much time to trying to oppress gay people."

How about as an old fool? I gather there's quite a lot of things you don't understand. Could you pour pee out of a boot if the occasion demanded? I don't know anyone who's trying to oppress gay people.

"They are how they were born, and no matter how much you strive to oppress or "cure" them, they are still going to be how they were born."

And couldn't we say the same about pedophiles?

"So, stop behaving like both a coward and a bully, and treat gay people just like you would like to be treated."

And will you do the same for pedophiles? Or are you a hypocrite? Or do you even know what the word "abnormal" means?

"They are no threat to my marriage. My wife and I can screw that up, all by ourselves, just as Newt and Rush did to their many marriages."

Well, aren't you quite the one? And Newt and Rush have a lot to do with the discussion.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 8:23 PM
==================================

Have you been drinking?

1) The Franken "trunk votes" lie has been debunked.

http://www.minnpost.com/davidbrauer/2008/11/12/4565/minneapolis_election_director_speaks_ballots_in_my_car_story_false

I will note that you punted on backing up your debunked lie.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 29, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"I really wonder if Obama is really an illegal alien"

And this is where the birther gets to talk to himself again. Have fun you raging maniac.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Liam

The American People are sick of the liberals pretending they have a majority for their agenda items.


Take the tax cuts - the Adler group sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi - and said they wanted ALL the tax cuts to remain.


Nancy and Obama NEVER had the votes - but to hear the liberal pundits - they have been claiming they had a majority all along.


It is getting to be a complete joke - time for the liberals to leave and never come back.


Get it?


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote
"The Ranch was purchased just to fool all you dimwits who like the image of the amiable rancher that you feel you could share a beer with."

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So do you dimwits like the image of the amiable organizer you feel you could snort some coke with?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

12Barblues,

Can't help you with the Carly thing. We're all into craziness tonight.

Someone in another thread was claiming Chris Fox aka Noacoler was lurking here under a different moniker. I haven't seen any posts I'd mistake for his, but I know you keep in touch via Facebook. So is he lurking here somewhere in the shadows?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Anybody hear anything about NRSC pulling $1.9m away from Carly Fiorina's ad buy?

Anyone?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

And now this STRF loon is back to speaking for "The American People" The ignorant turnip did not even know that Bush dumped his political prop ranch as soon as he left office, but he claims to know what "The American People" want, at any given time, on any given subject.

Currently "the polls" are reflecting that a strong majority of "The American People" do not support the War In Afghanistan, but of course STRF will immediately tell us, that the war is too important to let his " American People" make a decision on that.


He is the biggest moron that haunts plumline day after day, with JakeD2 as his ingénue, to fill in, should STRF every contract even a mild bout of sanity.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I will note that you punted on backing up your debunked lie.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | September 29, 2010 10:22 PM
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If you have anything to post, post it. I'm not running down your links. I'm not the one who told the story; I simply said that if you need votes, Al, er Stuart, has some in his trunk.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

So is he lurking here somewhere in the shadows?
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No. I talked to him today on the phone, just coincidentally. It's not him. Jake is just paranoid.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Fox News? Wow, I guess nearly 50% of the American people have that Monkey on their backs. Doesn't look good for those of you in the 1% who get their fix from MSNBC. LOL

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 9:34 PM |

.................

So you actually believe that Fox News, is watched by about a 150 million viewers. You are an unvarnished imbecile, and also some sort of a weird insecure type, who thinks that belittling gay people, and people of color, makes you look bigger. It doesn't. It makes you look like an insecure self doubting shadow of a real human being.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 10:26 PM

What sort of hallucinogens do you partake of each time you claim that you are not a Republican supporter?

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

nybody hear anything about NRSC pulling $1.9m away from Carly Fiorina's ad buy?

Anyone?

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 10:30 PM

...............

I haven't heard anything solid on that yet. I doubt if they would be giving up this far out from election day, since she is not far behind in the polls. Do you know how much she has in her own war chest. She may have enough campaign funds on her own, or those hidden hand groups, like the Rove one, may be going to pitch in with ads, that will allow the NRSC to concentrate their funds on other races, such as the one in Alaska.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who were or are Fixistas, Chris Cillizza has launched a new short video, the Fast Fix, which is kind of cute. It's out of date now that Mike Castle has decided to drop his write in bid, but still worth watching.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/fast-fix/the-fast-fix-is-here.html

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

What is the title of the video, Castles In The Sand?

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Carly raised about $5m, has spent about $10m, and has $1m in the bank. Obviously, that implies she is self funding, or someone is going to get stiffed $4m worth. Actually, I think I heard she had put in some of her own $.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Liam

I think the stuff about teaching the kids in school about gay sex really hurt your case - the gay agenda went too far.

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

Chris Cillizza is somewhat right leaning. Not a lot, though, IMO.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

If you want to put your head into a vise, and crank that vise until you hear cracking, the way you do that is engage in a "gay" conversation with either Brigade or STRF.

Sorry, brigade, I saw the bloody remains of that with noacoler.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"So you actually believe that Fox News, is watched by about a 150 million viewers. You are an unvarnished imbecile, and also some sort of a weird insecure type, who thinks that belittling gay people, and people of color, makes you look bigger. It doesn't. It makes you look like an insecure self doubting shadow of a real human being."

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It was a Politico/George Washington University Battleground Poll wherein between 40 and 50 per cent of respondents said Fox is their main source of political news. They probably didn't actually call 150 million people, moron, but you probably don't know any more about polls than you do politics.

The rest of your post is pure gibberish. "Insecure", "people of color". What the hades are you even talking about? You must be three sheets to the wind as well as an idiot.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Carly raised about $5m, has spent about $10m, and has $1m in the bank. Obviously, that implies she is self funding, or someone is going to get stiffed $4m worth. Actually, I think I heard she had put in some of her own $.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:01 PM |

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That is not very much money for her to have in reserve, with more than a month to go ,because California has such a huge wide spread population, that a candidate has to rely on mass TV messaging, which is very expensive to blanket the state. It is just too big and spread out, with so many diverse population centers; that it is impossible to engage in much retail campaigning, and it is very costly to micro cast messages to the various ethnic groups, etc.(What a run on sentence, but you get my meaning, I hope)

I wonder if the Republicans are trying to play possum, in order to lull Democrats into a false sense of security.

This is not the first state that a rumor has surface about the Republican pulling out of, within the past few days.

The Democrats should just plan on spending and campaigning hard, because I just do not believe that the Republicans have already given up on California and Kentucky.

Those rumors are casting off a distinct Turd Blossom aroma, so we should not lower our weapons.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

SaveTheRainforest, ask the left if the health care bill is centrist or not. From your extreme right wing position anything to the left would seem far-left. You would have to ask the 'far left' what their perspective is.

If the far left say it was a corporate sell-out and the far right say it was a far-left agenda that would indicate it stands somewhere in the middle.

Posted by: mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 9:54 PM


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A MASSIVE NEW GOVERNMENT PROGRAM with uncertain costs and uncertain deficits is in the middle ?


I don't think so.


I tell you what - let's agree that ONLY registered democrats pay the bill


And registered Republicans do not have to pay at all.


Same with Obama's 1.3 Trillion deficit too.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"Charlie Crist has not been elected. Election day is more than a month away."

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No kidding? What would we do without you here to keep us up to date?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

I wouldn't take it to the bank she has only $1m. After digging further, that is a 30 June #. I should have checked that before I posted the #s.

Anyway, mea culpa, she has her own $ (I assume).

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

12BArblues has shown up - and almost immediately she starts complaining about other posters.

12Bar - why don't you go spend some more time with your girlfriend - and leave everyone else alone.


.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

This is not the first state that a rumor has surface about the Republican pulling out of, within the past few days.
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The other race that the NRCC pulled big ad $ from was Kentucky. They said it was only a week's delay. Let's see on Monday what they say.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Fox News? Wow, I guess nearly 50% of the American people have that Monkey on their backs. Doesn't look good for those of you in the 1% who get their fix from MSNBC. LOL

Posted by: Brigade
.....................

t was a Politico/George Washington University Battleground Poll wherein between 40 and 50 per cent of respondents said Fox is their main source of political news. They probably didn't actually call 150 million people, moron, but you probably don't know any more about polls than you do politics.

The rest of your post is pure gibberish. "Insecure", "people of color". What the hades are you even talking about? You must be three sheets to the wind as well as an idiot.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 11:10 PM
...............

Brigade, you pathetic ignoramus, read what the hell you wrote. You said "nearly 50% of the American People" You said it, and that figure would translate to about 150 Million people. It was your statement, and you said nothing about any poll in your first statement.

You are just trying to deflect from your own absurd claim. You might be better off to take a page out of the Chaste O'Donnell denial manual, and claim that someone else posted that stupid claim, under your name, to make you look? well not bad, since you always look that way. Never mind, blame the pollster for making you claim that half the American population watches Fox News. What ever sort of lie that will make you feel better, because no one else believes anything you claim.

Still not a Republican, are you? LMAO

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

What sort of hallucinogens do you partake of each time you claim that you are not a Republican supporter?

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 10:45 PM
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Why do I bother with someone whose brain is stuck on stupid? I never claimed that I do not support Republicans. I said I am not a member of the Republican party. I am a conservative. Nothing more or less and not even idealogically pure.

Since you are a purebred Democrat, I suppose you loved Zell Miller. What about Ben Nelson? I suppose George Wallace or Lester Maddox or William Fulbright were more up your alley. Eh? What about Robert Byrd and Al Gore Sr? How long since you were a member of the Klan?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

mikefromArlington | September 29, 2010 10:24 PM

Are you in favor of continuing to HIDE the file in Hawaii from the American People


Or should it just be released - so everyone can read it?

.

Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"Charlie Crist has not been elected. Election day is more than a month away."

----

No kidding? What would we do without you here to keep us up to date?

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 11:13 PM |
...........

Your the Moron that asked what Party Charlie Crist would be caucusing with, even though the election is more than a month away, and he is trailing in the polls.

Try calling some Psychic Hotline, to ask for answers to what will happen in the future.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

May I point something out? Of the ADULTS who get news, brigade says a poll showed that 40-50% watch Fox. (I'm taking that poll result on faith). We do not have 300,000 adults by any means, and adults who get news is an even smaller number.

In the last election about 110 million people voted, so that is some kind of proxy.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Brigade is another one of those clowns who votes only for Republicans, but claims that does not make him a Republican.

I guess he must believe that makes him a Right Wing Parrot!

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

correction:

May I point something out? Of the ADULTS who get news, brigade says a poll showed that 40-50% watch Fox. (I'm taking that poll result on faith). We do not have 300 million adults by any means, and adults who get news is an even smaller number.

In the last election about 110 million people voted, so that is some kind of proxy.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"You said "nearly 50% of the American People" You said it, and that figure would translate to about 150 Million people. It was your statement, and you said nothing about any poll in your first statement.

You are just trying to deflect from your own absurd claim."
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Of course I should have assumed that a bozo like you would think I was claiming to have actually talked to 150 million people. When polls say Obama's approval rating is at 50%, what that really means is that, since they polled 600 people (for example), there are 300 people in the United States who approve of Obama. Right?

What an insufferable buffoon. Now, having thoroughly demolished your feeble and demented claims and theories, I will leave you to your fantasies, cheap liquor and self abuse. Later.

Posted by: Brigade | September 29, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I am a Democrat. I vote for Democrats, and never for any candidates from other parties.

All parties have officials elected from time to time that they do not agree with, but they can only vote for candidates in their own home districts and states. Apparently this Brigade moron votes for Republicans in his home state, but because he does not like some Republican or other, that got elected from some other district or state, he must deny that he is a Republican. That is a good one. The guy is just downright weird and demented.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

@liam,

Very few independents are. Very few.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Brigade said:

"Of course I should have assumed that a bozo like you would think I was claiming to have actually talked to 150 million people."

You keep trying to conflate polls with actual viewer ratings. You said nothing about polls, when you plainly state that almost half of the American people watch Fox News. They do not. Their highest rated show, sometimes attracts around five million viewers.

Now you are saying that you assumed that people would understand that you were not literally saying what you wrote, but that people should have figure out that you were actually saying something that you did not write. Please post your rosetta stone, so we can decode all your future comments, and not just accept your own words.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else see Jerry Brown and Meg Whitman debate? How did you think it went?

A new poll with interesting results for California:

A new Times/USC survey shows Latinos backing Democrat Jerry Brown by 19 points over Republican Meg Whitman in the governor's race, and Barbara Boxer by 38 points over Carly Fiorina for the U.S. Senate.

The poll did not directly test the effect of their immigration stances on Whitman and Fiorina, but the results on other questions suggested the issue is significant. In both races, Latinos gave Democrats an advantage in handling immigration by at least 20 points, higher than for all other issues except healthcare. (On that issue, asked only of the Senate candidates, Boxer held the edge over Fiorina by 31 points among Latinos.)
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Despite what some said, it seems that immigration views do influence Hispanic voters.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Liam


So you say you respect all the elections in which gay marriage has been voted down?


That is consistent with your comments tonight.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse


@liam,

Very few independents are. Very few.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:41 PM
................

Yes indeed. Just a lot of oddballs who claim to be, because they feel that makes them come across as being special. This Brigade creature is a prime example of that syndrome.

He walks like a Hen, He Cackles Like a Hen, he lays Eggs in a Hen Nest, and He Roosts every night in the Hen House, but he claims that he really is Flying Squirrel.

Have a good night. I am out of here. I enjoyed given Brigade a dose of his own medicine. He loves to pop in and start attacking other people's comments. He sure does not like it, when someone puts him under concentrated return fire.

Good night and joy be with ye all!

Posted by: Liam-still | September 29, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Liam:

You want to know how to get gay marriage through?


I'll tell you.

You need a combined measure - include in the measure that there will be NO gay teaching in the schools to kids under 16.

And then say that there is complete Freedom of Speech - anyone is allowed to use any slur they want - at anyone.

THAT will pass.


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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 29, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Despite what some said, it seems that immigration views do influence Hispanic voters.

Posted by: 12BarBlues | September 29, 2010 11:50 PM


___________________________

NOT if they vote in Mexico, where they should be voting.

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Posted by: SaveTheRainforest | September 30, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse


You guys should stop complaining because, one the health care we have now isnt as good as it was supposed to be. also the law has just been signed so give it some time. so if u want to say u have the right to choose tell that to ur congress men or state official. If you do not have insurance and need one You can find full medical coverage at the lowest price by calling 877-882-4740 or check http://bit.ly/bkys0B If you have health insurance and do not care about cost just be happy about it and trust me you are not going to loose anything!

Posted by: joeaken30 | September 30, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

Liam-still wrote,
"I enjoyed given Brigade a dose of his own medicine."

That's Liam-talk for "I enjoyed an intellectual butt-kicking at the hands of Brigade." LOL. Always glad to oblige.

"He loves to pop in and start attacking other people's comments. He sure does not like it, when someone puts him under concentrated return fire."

LOL. You don't know me very well, Liam. Better take an extra blood pressure pill.

"Good night. I'm going to go stick my head in the crapper."

Don't flush.


Posted by: Brigade | September 30, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

@Ethan2010: If you are around, I finally got a response from Bob Corker's office regarding the Ground Zero mosque. I assume a lot of people got this same response, but here it is:

A bit triangulated, but I don't have a problem with it.

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Thank you for taking the time to contact my office about your the building of a mosque at "Ground Zero." Your input is important to me, and I appreciate the time you took to share your thoughts.

The 9-11 attacks caused a horrific loss of life and have impacted all Americans in significant ways. Our country was founded on the principle of religious expression and it is important that we preserve that bedrock principle. However, I understand the intense feelings and concerns, particularly among those who reside in New York City, raised by this issue with regard to the Ground Zero site. Ultimately, when I was mayor, I didn't appreciate it much when people at the federal level might weigh in on a local issue. This is a local issue, and they need to resolve it themselves.

Thank you again for your letter. I hope you will continue to share your thoughts with me.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

@STRF: "'Despite what some said, it seems that immigration views do influence Hispanic voters.'-- NOT if they vote in Mexico, where they should be voting."

No, I shouldn't take the bait, but . . . could you explain why American citizens of Hispanic descent should be voting in Mexico? Rather than in America? Where most of them do better on the American citizenship tests than the average 5th generation European-descended American?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

@Brigade: "'I enjoyed given Brigade a dose of his own medicine.' -- That's Liam-talk for 'I enjoyed an intellectual butt-kicking at the hands of Brigade.'"

Indeed, I don't think I've seen a finer girly-girly slap fight since my junior high school days. /snark

Seriously. Stupid pills? Bozo? Etc?

Okay.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

@tao9: "I don't think there are any TP people posting here regularly, and may very well be no registered Repubs."

Just wanted to note, I am not a tea partier, but I am (and have been for 20 years) a registered Republican. They are, however, disappointed when they call me and ask me for cash. Cuz they don't get none.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

@Kevin...Thanks heavens you're up and back on this blog. I see I didn't miss much last night. You nailed it with..

"Indeed, I don't think I've seen a finer girly-girly slap fight since my junior high school days. /snark

Seriously. Stupid pills? Bozo? Etc?"

Indeed. Alas like Liam I am Irish and have a temper and probably would have fallen into the girly slap fight as well...especially characterizing the Dem BASE as crack/cigarette smoking....and then I would have needed you to come to my rescue and remind me of the dangers of hyperbole and stupid name calling and over generalization.

What a great morning for me to not be the reason or even a participant in the girly slap fight. LMAO

I must confess some disappointment in Brigade. Not that he said or did anything that hasn't been done by many on the left including me...I had just held him to a higher standard, because next to you Kevin he seemed to be the most pragmatic voice coming from the republican point of view...and tao should note..I think Brigade is also a registered R although he might like me be an I.

Whatever...hopefully today we can have more sanity...oops..was that a plug for John Stewart's rally? :-) BTW for those who missed Stewart last night he spent the first segment skewering the Dems for all this whining about the progressives not getting with the program...Stewart nailed the points wbgonne, lmsinca and I have been trying to make about the shortcomings of the current administration. He then lambasted Grayson for playing the Taliban card in his next segment and finished by pointing out the frivolity of ALL the networks speculating on whether Sarah Palin was booed on Dancing with the Stars...the Fox headline...Boo-gate.
Stewart then added..."Don't make me have to defend that woman" If nothing else Stewart is an equal opportunity critic..he nailed the Dems last night with accuracy and wit..and I LOVED IT!

And so again Kevin...even though I disagree with many of your political beliefs...I'm pretty sure you're not Hitler...probably never been a member of the Taliban...but I sometimes suspect you may an active member of the local Moose Lodge. My father was an Elk...actually I should be more precise..he was a member of the Elk's lodge...I'm not the product of bestiality...but perhaps that's up for debate today if the threads look like last night's. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 30, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

All, Morning Roundup posted:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/09/the_morning_plum_101.html

Posted by: Greg Sargent | September 30, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of cash...has OFA lost it's mind.
I keep getting emails from everyone from Tim Kaine to David Plouffe to Al Gore...fine I get political activism and fund raising but geesh...they ask for amounts that make me simply click delete...the last message was looking for $190! I consider myself blessed but I don't have an extra $190 bucks to toss into the kitty and sorry Obamabots..but the Dems...blame which ones you wish..have left me so disappointed...for cripes sake they can't even bring a middle class TAX CUT to the table..that I'm not about to give till it hurts..and right now $190 hurts!!! :-)

Alex Sink on the other hand sends me emails with $5 $10 $25 $50 MORE buttons.
She gets a lot more out of me even if it is only 5 or 10 bucks at a time. But then the Florida Gubernatorial race is the perfect storm for me. Sink is the ONLY candidate I will be voting FOR this year...my other votes are simply AGAINST...and speaking of AGAINST...Rick Scott, Sink's opponent, is probably the biggest sleazeball to run for office in this millennium.

Don't bust me for hyperbole Kevin..the millennium is only ten years old..and so I'm not being snarky here. :-)

Posted by: rukidding7 | September 30, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

@ruk: "but I sometimes suspect you may an active member of the local Moose Lodge. My father was an Elk...actually I should be more precise..he was a member of the Elk's lodge...I'm not the product of bestiality..."

I think I missed that right turn at Albuquerque. That last bit made me feel like either you started drinking a little too early this morning, or I did. ;)

"fine I get political activism and fund raising but geesh..."

These people call me--local RNC--reading a script full of Fox-newsish talking points thinking that's gonna get my money. And it just ain't. If they called me with a plan to reanimate William F. Buckley and run him for congress, then I might could send some cash to that. But "Don't you want to stop Obama's Socialist Agenda? Send money now!" doesn't do it. And that's not an exact quote, but is typical of the sort of phone solicitations I have gotten.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

qb & scott

If either of you check in, here's that quote from earlier in the week that highlights the difference re poverty in Dem vs Conservative for at least the last two decades. It would be interesting to go back further I suppose and see the difference. Since we don't have true Libertarians at the helm, it's hard to test those policies as they don't actually exist anywhere. This is from Census Bureau data.

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"Based on last week's release of the annual Census Bureau report on income and poverty, it appears that the U.S. is experiencing something similar again, as Americans uneasily navigate a globalized, information-based economy. Across a wide range of economic measures, the bureau report demonstrated, the past 10 years have been an utterly lost decade for many, if not most, Americans. And that helps explain why the U.S. continues to careen through so many sharp political reversals.

From 2000 through 2009, the Census Bureau found, the median income (measured in inflation-adjusted dollars) declined by 5 percent for white families, 8 percent for Hispanic families, and more than 11 percent for African-American families. That's almost unimaginable over an entire decade. From 1991 through 2000 (again in inflation-adjusted dollars) it had risen by 13 percent for whites, 19 percent for Hispanics, and 28 percent for African-Americans.

Similarly, the total number of Americans in poverty increased by nearly 12 million in the last decade, more than obliterating the 4.1 million reduction during the 1990s. Especially troubling is that the number of poor children jumped by 3.9 million -- again, more than erasing the 2.8 million decline during the 1990s.

The findings on access to health insurance tell the same story. During the 1990s, the share of Americans without health insurance fell slightly from 14.1 percent to 13.7 percent; in the following decade, it has spiked to 16.7 percent. More than one-fifth of the working-age population (people ages 18 to 64) are now uninsured, also up steadily since 2000. The number of Americans obtaining health insurance at work during the 1990s increased by nearly 30 million; in the last decade, that number fell by nearly 10 million. (The share of Americans receiving coverage through work declined every year of George W. Bush's presidency.)"

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/nj_20100925_2370.php

Posted by: lmsinca | September 30, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

ndeed, I don't think I've seen a finer girly-girly slap fight since my junior high school days. /snark

Seriously. Stupid pills? Bozo? Etc?

Okay.

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 7:44 AM
....................

Yes indeed Kevin, you are absolutely right. That sort of name calling was out of line.

I wish I had been more restrained and behaved in the dignified manner, such as you have just demonstrated, and politly accused him of being "girly". Seriously."girly-girly"

Don't you just hate it, when the calm rational decrier of name calling ends up doing the very same thing?

It sort of reminds me of Meg Whitman demanding that Employers be held accountable for hiring undocumented workers, and of then going on to say; Don't blame me for hiring her. She worked for me, for nine years, but I never hired her, so you should not hold me accountable.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 30, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

@limsinca: "From 2000 through 2009, the Census Bureau found, the median income (measured in inflation-adjusted dollars) declined by 5 percent for white families, 8 percent for Hispanic families, and more than 11 percent for African-American families. That's almost unimaginable over an entire decade. From 1991 through 2000 (again in inflation-adjusted dollars) it had risen by 13 percent for whites, 19 percent for Hispanics, and 28 percent for African-Americans."

So it went up and down and, if averaged over those two periods, would be up, overall, around an inflation adjusted 5% for everybody. I understand why some people find these compelling arguments. But I have difficulty seeing the patterns as either unprecedented, or unnatural, or causally related to the hair color of a particular person sitting in a given oval-shaped office at a given point of time.

"Similarly, the total number of Americans in poverty increased by nearly 12 million in the last decade"

Well, if we're still blaming Bush two years into the Obama administration (and 4 years since 2006), then presumably much of that was left over from Bill Clinton. Or maybe not.

What's the impact of higher levels of immigration, legal or otherwise, fewer minimum wage jobs, etc? How much of that addition is actually middle class people slipping into poverty, and how is that judged? By debts vs. assets, income vs. assets, or just by income?

"The share of Americans receiving coverage through work declined every year of George W. Bush's presidency"

In what manner was this causally related to Bush? That would be my question, regarding that. Or is the problem that the Bush admin just didn't work to reverse the trend?

Posted by: Kevin_Willis | September 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Liam-still:

What Meg Whitman ACTUALLY said was that she didn't know the housekeeper was in the country illegally until the day she fired her: "we specified with the agencgy we wanted to make sure we had someone who was here legally to work in the United States."

Her campaign released employment applications filled out when the housekeeper was hired in 2000, including a copy of the Social Security card and California driver's license, that all indicated the woman was a legal resident.

Posted by: JakeD2 | September 30, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

What Meg Hitman actually said in the debate with Jerry Brown was; Employers must be held accountable for making sure that they are not hiring illegal workers.

Why she said, when the news broke about her maid of nine years was. Don't hold me, Meg Whitman, her employer accountable. I never verified if she was legal or not. I just had her work for me for nine years.

Typical Right Wing excuse making: hold all other employers accountable for who they employ, but do not hold Meg to the same standards that she demanded of all other employers.

Posted by: Liam-still | September 30, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"or causally related to the hair color of a particular person sitting in a given oval-shaped office at a given point of time."

This struck me as a rather odd comment. I'm on my way out the door or we could have a nice debate about some of these numbers. It's tough to link cause and effect definitively but maybe we can identify a few economic incentives or lack of other than hair color.

Talk to you later.

Posted by: lmsinca | September 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

For anyone else still interested in "fake" LinkedIn bios (thinking they can't be done):

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/hillary-clinton/16/599/15b

HINT: she graduated from Yale Law, not Harvard, and it didn't take her six (6) years ; )

Posted by: JakeD2 | October 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

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